The Death Star

[X-3PO]

A few things have been brought to my attention. First of all, we know that Sidious controls both sides of the Clone Wars, the Seperatists and the Republic, correct? Secondly let us take a look at who make up the Seperatists. The Banking Clan, Techno Union, Commerce Guild, Trade Federation. All parts of the economy and manufacturing. AND the seperatists have designed the Death Star. I believe that Sidious/Palpatine plans on using the Seperatists to build the Death Star, since the Republic would never allow such a weapon to be built. The Serperatists control all the resources needed to build the Death Star, money, parts, technology, and shipping. Now my question is, how does the Empire get ahold of this weapon of mass destruction?

[StarWarsFan1]

Well some how i believe that palpe get the thing built and then uses vader to go and get it in vaders early stages. Vader get the Death Star. Vader gets the death star up and runnig in space. But Vader takes along with him the technations and main brains of the operation who helped build the death star. This was lots of money that was spent and also then palpe had everything to gain and nothing to lose. Hope fully they will show a little of this in ep3

[Mothman]

I'm guessing that when Palpatine creates the Empire, he brings both the Old Republic and the Separatists under his Imperial thumb. He is Emperor of the entire galaxy, more or less. It is only after Mon Mothma forms the Rebellion that systems begin to slip through his fingers.

BTW -- Give it up. There's no logical reason to see the Death Star until Episode IV.

[RollaFett]

Yeah, what she said.

[Mothman]

Originally posted by GollaFett@Dec 22 2002, 08:26 PM
Yeah, what she said.
Just a point of clarification. Despite my picture of Mon Mothma, I'm MothMAN. So your quote should be, "Yeah, what HE said". Sorry for any confusion that this causes, but thanks for agreeing with me! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

[Jacen Solo]

I take it you're a fan of Mon Mothma! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[Mothman]

Originally posted by Luuke_Skywalker@Dec 23 2002, 01:05 PM
I take it you're a fan of Mon Mothma! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif
Correct -- and that there is much more to her than just the few seconds we see of her in ROTJ (i.e., the "Padme is Mon Mothma" theory).

[Silver Jedi]

BTW -- Give it up. There's no logical reason to see the Death Star until Episode IV.
That's never stopped them before ???

[Mothman]

Originally posted by Silver Jedi@Dec 23 2002, 04:58 PM
BTW -- Give it up. There's no logical reason to see the Death Star until Episode IV.
That's never stopped them before ???
Could anyone give any reasons WHY it should be in Episode III, and in such a way that it fits with the Death Star not becoming operational until some 18 years later?

[X-3PO]

Could anyone give any reasons WHY it should be in Episode III, and in such a way that it fits with the Death Star not becoming operational until some 18 years later?

Can anyone give me a reason why Boba Fett was in the PT other then he was really cool in the OT and George thought we would all drool over him? No I don't think so. It wouldn't surprise me to see the death star in one form or another. Though I don't think we will see a completed one. This thread isn't discussing if it will be in the movie, I just want some ideas of how it evolves and goes from being built by the Geonosians (which Lucas mentions in the AOTC commentary) to being in the hands of the Empire.

[Dark Prince]

Well, if Sidieous(palpatine) controlls the senate and the sepratists,then he can go to the Geonosians, tell him he wants his new battle station, and now he will have the Death Star for the Empire.
And i have no ideas about why Boba Fett was in the PT

[echoseven]

Boba was in the PT because his father was the DNA source for the Clonetroopers. With his father's death, he will become the DNA source for the Stormtroopers. Because they will be clones of a clone, they will not be as effective as the original clonetroopers, therefore, in a way, this will explain why they can't hit the broadside of a barn and can get their tails whipped by Ewoks....http://64.207.13.28/mysmilies/contrib/dday/wink.gif

[X-3PO]

Yeah. What's that have to do with the death star? ???

[Mann]

Yeah. What's that have to do with the death star?


you tell us X-3PO, you brought it up.

But To have the Death Star in Episode III is dumb. We see the plans in Episode II just fro the idea of where it came from. But To actually see it would be like saying the empire decided to not test it for 18 years. Palpatine will wait until he has control and when other oppose him.

[X-3PO]

My point about Boba Fett was that the only reason he was in the PT was becuase Lucas thought we would all drool over him, and how I wouldn't doubt that Lucas would include another bit about the Death Star in Episode III. But I guess you would have to actually read the post to figure that out. Though I too don't think we need a death star in Episode III, I think since we caught a glimpse of it in AOTC I think we will at least hear mention of the "Ultimate Weapon," in the next movie.

[Mann]

Insulting my abilty to read?

well I did read your post, And did notice that you said we might see it in the next film, so I disagreed. Then again, you did pick on someone for mentioning something you mentioned, which contradicts yourself, but hey, it's your thread.

Death built by geonosians, in the OT, Empire funds the death star cause the Emperor has the plans. The Separatists don't get the plans cause the Emperor has them, the guy the Separatists don't know exists.

[X-3PO]

Then again, you did pick on someone for mentioning something you mentioned, which contradicts yourself, but hey, it's your thread.

I wouldn't say I 'picked on' anyone. There are many more people on this board who are more appropriate for that accusation.

Yes I know the Empire funds the death star, but Lucas brings up the point on the AOTC commentary that the Geonosians were the ones to actually build the death star, which implies that the seperatists eventually become part of the Empire, or else the Geonosians are just slave labor which is also possible.

And it's not entirely true that the seperatists don't know that the Emperor (sidious) exists. As I remember one of the biggest contributors to the Sepratists (Nute Gunray) was once a pal of Sidious. But that is beside the point.

Anywho, Geonosians build the death star, this implies they eventually become part of the empire. That is all I am saying.

[Mothman]

Originally posted by Mothman@Dec 22 2002, 03:49 PM
I'm guessing that when Palpatine creates the Empire, he brings both the Old Republic and the Separatists under his Imperial thumb. He is Emperor of the entire galaxy, more or less. It is only after Mon Mothma forms the Rebellion that systems begin to slip through his fingers.

BTW -- Give it up. There's no logical reason to see the Death Star until Episode IV.
Just for the record, nearly a month ago I said that the Separatists would be a part of the Empire. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

[X-3PO]

You most certainly did.

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by Mann@Jan 13 2003, 03:59 PM
But To actually see it would be like saying the empire decided to not test it for 18 years. Palpatine will wait until he has control and when other oppose him.
That's exactly what we're saying.

Remeber, he couldn't use it until he got rid of the Senate, and that took until A New Hope.

Besides, it is never stated that the test on Alderaan, was the first test of the Death Star's power, only the first test of it FULL POWER.

The Separatists don't get the plans cause the Emperor has them, the guy the Separatists don't know exists.

Wrongo buddy,

"The Viceroy of the Trade Federation was once in league with this Darth Sidious, but he was betrayed ten years ago by the Dark Lord."

As seen in: Star Wars: Episode I - The Phantom Menace

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Just for the record, nearly a month ago I said that the Separatists would be a part of the Empire.

Just for the record, Mon Mothma started the Rebellion, that is in the EU. I believe that to some extent the Confederacy will either be part of the Rebellion, which will be secretly established in E3, or they will simply never rejoin the Republic.

The war will end, but it won't be won, the Republic will not gain all of it's systems back, and the Death Star will play a sort of "Cold War" role between Episodes 3 and 4, the Senate decides that it will not be used unless the Empire is Attacked, and unless it's absolutely neccessary. The thing is, the Senate will begin to sypathize for the Rebellion, and they won't allow military action against them, so Palpatine is forced to dispose of them.

Because Palpatine has at least restored order in stopping the war, and what's left of the Confederacy is hiding on far away systems (not the actual Seperatists seen in AOTC, but citizens from systems that sided with the Seperatist) small, but yet still a threat to the Empire, he will be declared a hero, the Senate and the Citizens of the Republic will possibly even ask him to become Emporer.

As far as the Death Star in E3, I believe it will be seen in a scene like this at the end of the film, just now beginning to be constructed:

Across several sysytems of the Galactic Empire, Assualt Ships land carrying the Empire's vast armies, Marshal Law has been declared throughout the Galaxy (apparantly the Jedi and some other's tried to stop Palpy). In space above Coruscant Vader, Tarkin, and Palpatine stand on the bridge of the Imperial Navy flagship overlooking the construction of the Death Star.

[Soontir Solo]

Interesting theory Bond. Not what I think is going to happen but very interesting indeed. I dont think the Death Star will be in existence at all in Episode 3. Palpatine will probably order the beginning of its construction at the end of the movie.

[Darth Vegas]

That's what I said Soontir read it again, the Death Star in E3 will just be in the first stages of Construction.

[Soontir Solo]

What I mean is that it won't even be in the beginning stages of construction in Episode 3. Palpatine will simply give the order for it to begin construction at the end of the movie. Remember that it was new in Episode 4, which is like around 20 years after Episode 3. I know it couldn't have taken 20 years to build either. The 2nd one was almost completed in less than 3.

[Mann]

not even, it was built in like 6 months!

[Lord Rocha]

Building the Death Star in E3 ? I think that might be too dangerous . The Empire is too "young" for it. Maybe some years after E3.

[Jedi Killer]

Lucas BETTER say some more about the Death Star in EP3.......or else the image in AOTC was sooo cheesy and lame and just for fans

[Mann]

not cheesy, but it explained where the death Star came from.

[Jedi Killer]

yea but it would show how Lucas played to the fans so much in AOTC just to make the movie somewhat decent and trying to not make another TPM

[Mann]

According to the Razzies he didn't succeed

[Jedi Killer]

who are the Razzies? i thought it was one of the better of the 5 SW films......but doesnt even come close to ESB. it could have though, but i think EP3 will be on par with EP5

[Mann]

The razzies are the anti Oscars. They give the worst film awards out. TPM was nominated for 7, and AotC was nominated for the same.

[Jedi Killer]

and what exactly do they consider "good"?

[Mann]

the razzies? well, I don't know. If I could choose a worst movie it would be Rollerball. But that's not there. however, they are biased, but funny too. I hope they choose Swept Away or Crossroads for worst film.

[Soontir Solo]

Thanks for the info Mann. As I said the Death Star won't begin construction at all in Episode 3 Bond.

[Darth Vegas]

I heard you, and you don't KNOW that, it's your opinion.

[Soontir Solo]

Im all but sure about it, it would be a mistake that GL wouldn't make.

[Darth Vegas]

Again kid that's your opinion.

[Soontir Solo]

Yes its an oppinion. Its oppinion that is much more realistic than your's Bond.

[Darth Vegas]

Whatever you say Mr. Lucas.

[Soontir Solo]

Your sarcasm is very amusing Bond. I do enjoy disagreeing with you. Mr. Lucas should hire me to take care of Episode 3, it would be the best star wars movie out of the 6.

[X-3PO]

Yikes tensions are high in here. I haven't seen this post in awhile and when I came back we had a little argument.

[Soontir Solo]

Indeed they are X-3PO

[X-3PO]

But I actually have to agree with Bond here, I don't think we can be sure about anything in Epidsode III. And though (and I've said this many times already) I doubt we will actually see the Death Star being built, I think there will be preparations for it being built. Sidious/Palpatine has all the right people together with the seperatists to build a massive weapon. The money of the commerce guilds, the tech of the Techno Union, and the raw materials of the Trade Federation, not to mention the oodles of man power with the geonosians. (which Lucas says in the commentary, that they are the ones to actually build the death star.) I think we will see preparations for the Death Star being built. Also lets remember two things. First Palpatine is a very patient man, he is not one to rush into things, so though we might see things building up to a death star, he will wait for the right moment to beging construction. Also after Palpatine becomes Emperor, the senate is still around just up until the point of ANH, so they could be a road block also in his plan for an "Ultimate Weapon" perhaps he proposes it but they debate it so much that there is no decision, until he gets fed up, builds it in secret and disbands the imperial senate. Just some thoughts.

[Mann]

well, remember they made a prototype first in the books. I will concede that they might have one like it. If the Separatists build a Death Star prototype in Episode III, then the Republic will destory it, thinking that the plans are destroyed too. That is why Obi-Wan is horrified, becuase he remembers it being destroyed, and what it is capable of.

[X-3PO]

I could see something like that. But I would just be happy with at least some good talking about it, and some preparatory measures taken.

[Mann]

but a Star Wars movie with too much talking...Episode III needs to be an action movie.

[X-3PO]

Well I don't mean a full third of the film devoted to talking about the Death Star, but some mentions here and there.

[X-3PO]

Well I don't mean a full third of the film devoted to talking about the Death Star, but some mentions here and there.

[Mann]

alright then, But maybe you can have it not implied that it is the death star. Palpatine is plotting others about how he is going to fund the "project" but he never says what it is. yet, we all know, but it makes the story more interesting.

[X-3PO]

Yeah just refer to it as "the Ultimate Weapon" as they do in AOTC.

[Soontir Solo]

I still think that it would be a mistake to have the Death Star starting construction or even having it mentioned much. The time is just too off. 18 years is to long a time for it to be built and all. Besides Palpatine wouldn't need to build it then. He only needed to build it when planets started rebelling. Since Episode 3 will be right after the Clone Wars his popularity will be enormous because he led teh Republic to victory. He won't need the Death Star then so i don't think the Death Star will be a factor at all in Episode 3. Because lets face it, he doesn't need a death star to defeat the Jedi, thats what he has Vader and the clones for.

[X-3PO]

If he didn't need it, then why does he already have the plans for it? It's not just to stop rebelling planets, its about power. He is pure evil, Palpatine wants complete control over the galaxy and the Death Star is the key.

[X-3PO]

If he didn't need it, then why does he already have the plans for it? It's not just to stop rebelling planets, its about power. He is pure evil, Palpatine wants complete control over the galaxy and the Death Star is the key.

[Soontir Solo]

He needs it for power yes, but it still isn't necessary in Episode 3 at all. Because his popularity will be so high because of the victory against the Seperatists. People like the man who leads them to victory, thats why Palpy will get away with declaring himself Emperor and going after the Jedi. The Death Star won't come until the Rebel Alliance organizes, which won't happen in Episode 3 i think

[Mann]

I agree, the Death Star is not needed, Palpatine had the power he needed. Besides, he has vader, which is what keeps people in line.

[Soontir Solo]

Thanks for the support Mann.

[X-3PO]

Why does he have these plans for the "Ultimate weapon" then? Explain that one.

[Mann]

to keep that power. He uses the death star as a symbol of dominance over the galaxy. Vader is a symbol of authority, and everyone fears him. With both at his command, Palpatine would be unchallengable, or so he thought.

[Soontir Solo]

He has plans for the Death Star in case he ever needs to build it. But he won't have that need in Episode 3.