Which Are You More Excited For?

[Jedi Master Gandalf]

As you can probably tell, I am a HUGE fan of the Lord of the Rings. And as of right now, I'm getting really pumped up for the next film, The Two Towers. So, all you LOTR fans, as of right now, which are you more excited to see-- The Two Towers and Return of the King, or Ep3?

LOTR for me.

[JediBendu]

Ep3 - I already know how the LOTR goes :p

[Jedi Master Gandalf]

My passionate love for SW hibernates for some time, but when the new film is near, it will awaken my love for SW.

But right, now, I'm SOO excited for LOTR.

[Blizzard]

Star Wars: Episode III!!! Is there anything else???

[Luthien]

Actually, I am most interested in seeing Lord of the Rings 2&3...I love that book. I'm really psyched to go see those.

[tunafishman]

While from a plot point of view, I'm definetly more excited to see EpIII, I would say otherwise I really want to see LOTR and see how they do the visual effects for a lot of the stuff (Treebeard!)

[Tyranus]

Ep3 definitely.

[Martini]

I'm gonna go with episode III. something about lightsabers that made me choose that.

BUT you know what totally sucks balls, is that by the time Lord of the Rings Trilogy DVD box set comes out, EPISODE III will still be about 6 or so months away. We'll probbaly just start seeing trailers for it. kinda sucks its so far away. sorta makes u wish Lucas made all 3 prequels at the same time. all well

[Ella Vader]

When I saw LOTR, I thought, "This is what TPM should have been like." But Ep II ups the Ante. I think that Ep III is going to be most insane. I vote Ep III. By the way, could Saruman and Count Dooku be any more similar?

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"Would it help if I got out and pushed?"

[echoseven]

EPIII.
Already know what happens in LOTR.

[DanielSkywalker]

I can't believe you even have to ask this question. Anyone who wants to know what will happen in the next two LOTR installments, can buy the book and read it. All of his/her questions will then be answered. With Star Wars, there is no novel; there is no way for us to absolutely know what will happen in the 6th and final installment of the Star Wars saga. So, therefore, of course I am more excited about EPIII then I am about "The Two Towers" or whatever the other one is called.

[Jedi Master Gandalf]

It doesn't matter if you know whats going to happen in LOTR. We spoiler junkies know whats going to occur in the SW movies before they happen. And there is still a thrill in seeing the book protrayed on film.

I am much more excited for Two Towers than I am for Ep3 right now. You can't stay excited for one film for three years. Like I said, the love subdues for a while.

[JediBendu]

Well I'm going to stay excited for next 3 years, granted my head will explode around June 2004 :p

[Jedi Master Gandalf]

I can't be excited for Ep3 for 3 years. Sure, once and a while the excitement will return to me, but it comes and goes. Just like my passion for LOTR. Around the times when I'm excited for SW, I feel like there's no way I could ever be excited for LOTR, and vice versa. Its like when you eat a great big satisfactory meal and you say, "Oh, I'm never going to eat again!" and the next day, you're starving.

[Ella Vader]

Perhaps, Polonius. Let us examine the facts.

Saruman: * * * * * * * * * * * *Count Dooku:
Wizard * * * * * * * * * * * * * *Jedi
Traitor * * * * * * * * * * * * * *Traitor
Works for Sauron * * * * * * *Works for Darth Sidious
Asks Gandalf to join him * * Asks Obi-wan to join him
Studied Sauron's ways * * *Studied the Dark Side
before turning * * * * * * * * *before turning
Kicks Gandalf's ass Kicks Obi's ass
Staff Lightsaber

But I digress.

[jedisith8]

When i knew episode 1 was coming out i was so excited after episode 1 i couldn´t wait for episode 2 i was excited for 3 years and now i can´t wait until 2005. But as i see there will be some fine movies coming next xmas two towers then may next year matrix then a couple months later third matrix then xmas 04 return of the king lor after that it will only be 5-6 months plus indiana jones coming same summer as episode 3 anyway i´m most excited about star wars episode 3 i think it will be the one.

[DarthKueller]

I love the Lord of the Rings and Star Wars. But if I had to pick one I'd definitely be most excited about seeing Episode III The Fall of the Republic because of the return of Darth Vader.

Plus the fact that we still do not know completely what will take place in Ep III. In LoR we all know the outcome already.

However, I am also extremely excited about seeing The Return of the King the final installment of LoR because that was an absolutely amazing book. I'm sure the Two Towers will be great just like The Fellowship, but the Return of the King will be a classic. I am just itching to see the Grey Havens and Celegorn at the end of LoR, but not as much as I'm itching to see Lord Vader kick some a$$ in FOTR.

Hopefully someday Peter Jackson will also agree to film The Hobbit (LoR prequel). From what I hear he would love that opportunity.

[VIR Jedi]

Call me a little devil but I look forward to both .... since they aren't being released at the same time, I can get excited about each film in turn, then move on to the next one in line. *Both the other LOTR movies will be released before E3, so I can concentrate on each film independant of the others.

Overall, I am a bigger fan of Star Wars.

Believe it or not, I am also looking forward to Star Trek: Nemesis *style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wacko.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/devil.gif

[Meche]

The Two Towers. Partly because I liked TPM better than AotC and worry that it might get worse (like if Lucas directs), but mostly because FotR was great and I look forward to seeing how Two Towers will be on film. 2005 is too far away to be excited about, especially when I have a lot of others things going on between now and then.

[NelsonCoressel]

I am equally excited about both Episode 3 and the next two LOTR movies! *If anything, having the LOTR DVD set will give me somthing to delve into as I wait for Episode 3 to come out.

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[DarthKueller]

I agree with a comment earlier stated. I wish they would get someone else to direct Episode III. As long as GL does it nothing, will touch Empire. GL is too much about politicall correctness in his movies and too much about $$ than anything else. He says the next film will be "dark" but i have a feeling he'll mess that up somehow.

[Jedi Knight Tenku]

I cant wait till Star Wars Episode 3. It's gonna be pretty cool. I never seen Lord of the Rings, I have seen commercials, in December. What is it about?

[Lonesabre]

I'm a die hard starwars fan.

I've never read the LOTR book so dont know the story.

When I left the cinema after seeing Fellowship for the first time - I saw it twice - the first thing my brother and I did was agree that it was the best film we had ever seen.

For me TPM was a little flat but still highly enjoyable and AOTC was excellent. The anticipation levels for me was astronomical for both films, and I can see
STARWARS EPISODE III: MASTERS OF THE UNIVERSE ;) being even more so!

Waiting for the sequel to the best film I've ever seen is exciting but at the end of the day, its STARWARS all the way!

Role on 2005!

Agree with me you do yes?

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[Jedi Master Gandalf]

Kueller, what makes you think Ep3 will be called "Fall of the Republic"?

I'm an equal fan for both LOTR and SW, but just at the moment, I'm more excited for Two Towers. Have you guys seen the trailer?? I can't wait!!!

[Jedi Master Gandalf]

I, too though I had seen the best film ever when I left the theater after watching Fellowship. I loved that film!!! And I rest easier knowing that all 3 LOTR films are in the can. :happy:

[VIR Jedi]

Part of the excitement of Star Wars is this speculation we do here .... wondering what will happen and who will be a part of it .... what worlds we will visit, and the action that takes place there. Knowing the three LOTR movies are all done is a wonderful thought, but we also know the entire story, therefore I think there isn't as much excitement in waiting for the next one except to see just how it transfers to the big screen. ( I still love it)

Star Wars means waiting for the next film to show up, and even though we know what happens, we absolutely don't know HOW it all happens, so the excitement when we find out some tidbit of information is great to experience. I look forward to the next three years, and will eat up all information I come across.

May the Force be with you.

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[Jedi Master Gandalf]

I agree with you.

But I think I wouldn't like it if the LOTR films were taking 9 years to film. I don't mind it with SW, because we can speculate. But if we had to wait 3 years for a new LOTR film, it wouldn't be fun. It IS fun because we don't have to wait 3 years. They're all finished. So I know I won't have to wait that long.

[Brian]

I am just repeating what others have already said; I already know what happens in LOTR, so I am more excited about Episode III (in general). However, I also agree with JMG; since Ep III is 3 years away, I am more excited about TTT NOW (hell, the FOTR DVD in August/November for that matter). If the 2 movies were coming out at the same time, I would chose SW, but since they are not, I don't have too chose. :)

Confusing as always, but oh well....

[Jedi Master Gandalf]

That's some good philosophy, OB-Gates.

I agree, if LOTR and SW were rivaling trilogies [thank God that's not and never will be the case] I would have to side with SW. But of course, that's not the way it is.

[JediBendu]

Two Towers hasn't even been announced over here yet - are the previews good?

[Jedi Master Gandalf]

What do you mean "announced"? The LOTR films are supposed to be released worldwide on the same date.

I viewed the trailer on Wednesday. Its supposed to be attached to Men In Black 2, so that's when it will be revealed to everyone.

[JediBendu]

Men in Black hasn't been released here yet either style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif *scheduled for July 3. *Checked on the release for Two Towers here and it's Dec 26!!!! I was going to get really annoyed but then I checked the american poster back on the first page and it has Dec 18.
Gandalf mate - how are you going to make it till the end of the year? *I thought it was coming out in July *style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/cry.gif

[Jedi Master Gandalf]

Men in Black is coming out July 3 over here too.

Hey, what's the end of this year compared to 3 years from now? The Two Towers is right on the horizon and I can't wait for it!!!

Okay, the teaser trailer for The Two Towers is going to premiere right before Men in Black 2.....

[bodhisattva yoda]

men in black isn't even in the same league as star wars and lord of the rings.

if peter jackson directed episode three, i think we'd all die of elation.

[Jedi Master Gandalf]

Okay....who said Men in Black was in the same league?

Its weird to think that by the time Ep3 comes out, I'll already own the entire LOTR trilogy on DVD. It makes Ep3 seem soooo far away.

[Brian]

Gandalf mate - how are you going to make it till the end of the year? *I thought it was coming out in July style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/cry.gif

Hey, what's the end of this year compared to 3 years from now? The Two Towers is right on the horizon and I can't wait for it!!!

Think in August, FOTR DVD is released. *That is just 4 months of watching the DVD until TTT is released (the DVD with extra footage will be released in Nov. and that is what I am going to wait for; hell I may buy both). *Further, around Feb or so AOTC will most likely be released on VHS. *If I remember correctly, it only took 6 months for TPM to be released on VHS. *I seem to remember reading that it was the quickest turn-around from big screen to home video ever. *I know VHS is just about out dated, but tell me who doesn't have the VHS and DVD for TPM.

-=PERSONAL EDIT=-
I stand corrected. *TPM VHS was not released in North America until April 4, 2000. *It was the "first time ever that the millions of film fans around the globe will be able to enjoy the same video release within a single week -- April 3-8, 2000." Source: *Official Star Wars Website (http://www.starwars.com/episode-i/news/2000/01/news20000105.html). *I suppose we can expect to get the AOTC VHS in April of 2003 and the DVD will come a year later or not in the the "foreseeable future."

[Jedi Master Gandalf]

that's perfect marketing for you. having the previous film come out on DVD right before the next installment comes out in theaters. It gets audiences excited for the film, just in time.

[DblDwn]

If I had to choose between seeing Episode III and never seeing another movie ever again, or seeing another LOTR movie and being able to go to any other movie for the rest of my life, I'd still be first in line for Episode III. So you decide which one I am more anxious for.

[tunafishman]

Jedi Master Gandalf - I just saw the teaser trailer for TTT (go to lordoftherings.net to see it). Freakin' awesome. Can't wait now. But I must say,

***MAJOR SPOILER ALERT IF YOU'VE NEVER READ THE LORD OF THE RINGS AND KNOW THE PLOT***

I was disappointed they showed Gandalf in the trailer. I mean, some people still haven't read the story (disappointing), and that would be a major suprise for them. Oh well.

[Rebel Astromech Droid]

Do you even need to ask that on a Star Wars web site?

[Jedi Master Gandalf]

Thanks, tunafishman! Finally, someone I can meet eye to eye with. Yes, The Two Towers will rock!!! And it will once again be the best film of the year (under AOTC of course.)

[DarkSideRules]

I'm probably going to get ragged on very heavily for this but, I have never seen anything to do with Lord of the Rings, I have never read Lord of the Rings and really don't care if i do. I'm a die hard Star Wars fan and no movie will ever get me more excited than i am right now for Episode III. Sorry guys but i don't even know any of the characters from the Lord of the Rings, I just know Count Dooku is in it, isn't he?

[MonMartha]

While AOTC was an improvement over TPM (I look for things like comlpex characters, a story that keeps you guessing, and someone must have a dry or wry sense of humor! ), I choose *
"Two Towers." *I am half-way through the book. *I appreciate Aragorn's paraphrases of whatever someone else says! *

The other one, well, I'll see where I am living in 2005. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/happy.gif

*MM

[Lonesabre]

Viewed the trailer on the web for TT and must say that I am very impressed with the look of the film! But it is possibly one of the worst trailers Ive seen for spoilers! I mean come on!!!

But does that really compare to when I could hardly breathe whilst first watching the "Every saga has a beginning" or "Breathing" trailers?

I think not, argument solved.

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[RollaFett]

EP3 above all else! Just what the hell is so special about LOTR anyway?!
(Quickly ducks out of the way of flying cinder blocks heading in the direction of my head.)

[Alqua]

I a lot more excited about LOTR right now, but I guess it has much do with the fact that the release of Ep III is still somewhere so far away from now (compared to TTT in 6 months) that I'd go nuts if I allowed myself to start expecting it properly already style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[Trilogist]

This is it ... a generation who grew up loving Star Wars and getting to enjoy this new trilogy as well, this is it. I'm getting depressed now. Episode III will mark the end of it all. Sure, the books will continue, the merchandise will go on, but that's it for the movies! No more getting in long lines for the films. No more speculating about what's going to happen. It all comes to a close. Episode III will finish a chapter in our lives.

That is why I'm more excited about Episode III. It's going to be the biggest, the baddest conclusion to the greatest film series of all time. And I am going all out for this one, because this is the last time. I pledge to celebrate in every way possible in the moments leading up to Ep.3 and to do all the things I didn't get to do with the previous ones.

You see, all respect to LOTR, but there are 2 more coming; and Episode III is more than just an anticipated film ... it's an event.

[wook]

> it's an event.

Yep, it sure is.... with a guaranteed audience.

Personally I think LOTR is more exciting to anticipate because it seems like with SW, what is the point of looking forward to the next one if it is just going to be another ROTJ or TPM? GL's recent history is that each film leaves the fans thinking, "well the next one will be better." (Un?)fortunately after Ep. III there will be no "next one" to tie it all together & make sense of it all. Let's hope, tho, that Uncle George can pull off something that works.

[Martini]

can i ask EVERYONE here a question about STAR WARS:::::::::

WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH "THE RETURN OF THE JEDI"???????????

I think it was a great movie. Probably second best in the OT. Had tons of action, lots of deaths, vader turning back to the lightside of the force, we get to see the emporer and his powers, another Death Star, biggest space battle, see the Super Star Destroyer in action, get to see Jabba the Hutts palace, speeders, tons of stormtroopers, ewoks if your a little kid, and basically TONS OF GOOD STAR WARS moments!!!!!

[Lonesabre]

ROTJ always used to my favourite as a kid because it had all the action in it!!! {Obviously as Ive got older Ive become more interested in the myth and magic that is TESB}

Have you ever noticed how the finale of ROTJ {the space battle} lasts for half of the film?!? It works so well and is pure cinematic genius!!!

Thank the maker I say!

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I have seen the trailer for TTT and am very excited about it, but come on people this is the conclusion of 30 years of cinema were waiting for!!! Personally I think I will burst before 2005! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif

[wook]

>> WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH "THE RETURN OF THE JEDI"

Oh, brother.... please don't get me started on this...


You might be interested in the following URL tho:

http://www.digiserve.com/eescape....ks.html (http://www.digiserve.com/eescape/closet/silly/50-Reasons-Jedi-Sucks.html)

[Brian]

Originally posted by Martini@July 09 2002 - 13:16
WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH "THE RETURN OF THE JEDI"???????????

Martini, I don't get it either. *That is my favorite SW film and I am willing to be out there alone on that one.

[AlanRJ]

As much as I love Lord Of The Rings, I have to go with Episode III on this one.

[Alqua]

Originally posted by Martini@July 09 2002 - 13:16

WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH "THE RETURN OF THE JEDI"???????????

Beats me ??? It's my second favourite SW movie, after ESB. :thumbs-up:

[wook]

I find ROTJ to be almost as painful/unwatchable as the SW Holiday Special. Did you check out that URL (above)?

[Meche]

I think that a lot of people's problems about RotJ is the Ewoks. *Also it's referred to as the "muppet movie", well, even though ESB has a muppet. *Also it's rather cheesy for some people's tastes. *I'm not too into certain kinds of cheese myself.

That said, RotJ is my favorite so far. *I'm a sucker for happy endings. *Also I really love watching men grow up. *Han is a scoundrel in ANH, and although he doesn't change completely, he does mature, take on bigger responsibilities, and grows to love a woman--in a real way, not merely a romantic way. *I really enjoy seeing him join in the work in the Rebellion at Leia's side and not worry simply about his own back (as well as Chewie's). *And Luke, well similar with him. *I'm sure anyone can see the difference between the ANH and RotJ Luke. *I did enjoy watching his struggle to become Vader's equal in ESB, but in RotJ he had a much better mix of power, confidence, and vulnerability. *The ESB Luke was a little too cocky and yet despairing, for me.

It helped that I didn't mind the Ewoks too much, of course.

Is this the AotC/Two Towers thread? *Did I mention I agree with the statement that AotC made me look forward to the Two Towers?

[Jedi Master Gandalf]

RETURN OF THE JEDI and PHANTOM MENACE rule, wook!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What the hell is wrong with you??? No real SW fan should hate any SW film. I love each and every one. If you don't maybe you should think twice about being here, wook.

[Meche]

Uh... woah there. Wook has his (or her?) own opinions just like you do. And I thought everyone was welcome here.

[JediBendu]

ok wook

I've read the site and can refute all 50 of those utterances he calls analysis. But I won't do it on this thread. If you want, I'll spend some time and create a whole new thread just to prove that ewoks rule. :D

oh and another thing - THE STAR WARS HOLIDAY SPECIAL IS GREATER THAN THE OT OR PT COMBINED!!!


ok, maybe that's just me ;)

[wook]

> No real SW fan should hate any SW film.

And *I* get accused of implying SW fans are "mindless Lucas drones". Sigh.

[Bandersnatch]

LOL! :p

[Lonesabre]

To bring this old topic back...

In the UK {Im not sure about the rest of the globe} Episode II and FOTR:SE are due out on the same day on DvD, November 12th.

I was just wondering, which one will you be buying first???

I love LOTR, but I know my choice....

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[Jedi Ulic]

I am a huge Star Wars fan and also a huge LOTR fan. Or was until I saw that dreadful film. I have read LOTR at least a dozen times and the film version has nearly succeeded in spoiling the magic for me. What was with people doubting Aragorn? Why did Arwen help Frodo at the river? Why was Boromir perceived to be so evil? I always thought he was a decent enough bloke who got tempted in the end by the ring. Why did Frodo make so many decisions, like deciding that they go through the mines. That was Gandalf's decision, remember Aragorn telling him that it will be to his cost? Why were they all going to Mordor. I remember that being a crossroads with Aragorn not knowing what Gandalf proposed to do at that point. Where was Weathertop? Why did Saruman know that the ring was in The Shire? He had no idea, otherwise he just would have gone to get it! The list goes on. I know the idea was to make it appealing to those that have not read the book but at the expense of those that have?
Bring on Ep.III, I will not be seeing the other two LOTR films for sure!

[Martini]

ouch. i loved that movie. course i didnt read the book, but i am reading The Two Towers and i think its great. and the moves were done so well. had a good star wars feel to them, i love that.

but lonesaber brings up a good topic.........

i think I'm going to see Lord of the Rings first casue the dvd is way more in depth the AOTC. hell its like 4 hours long and is gonna be rated R. cant go wrong with that. i think GL needs to do that with SW, that'd rule! all well. but ill definately be buying both of those movies at Best Buy on the 12th. thats gonna be like $50 or so. ($19.99 + $29.99) but its sooo worth it

[Jedi Master Gandalf]

I've already bought Lord of the Rings on DVD, and I'm not sure if I'll buy the Extended Version or not. But one thing's for sure, I'll definetly be buying AOTC that day!

I loved LOTR! It was such an excellent film. Right now, I'm really excited about the Two Towers. It looks so good, and the 10 minute preview on the FOTR DVD has strengthened my anticipation even more.

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by Luthien@June 26 2002 - 09:19
Actually, I am most interested in seeing Lord of the Rings 2&3...I love that book. I'm really psyched to go see those.
Definetly Episode 3, because we already know what happens in LOTR. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/saber.gif :scratchchin: :yoda:

[BlueSaber]

First of all: ROTJ DOES *NOT* SUCK!!! It's the best movie out of the entire series. OT and PT!

Secondly: I CAN'T WAIT FOR HARRY POTTER AND THE CHAMBER OF SECRETS!!

[Mann]

For one, RotJ was not the best of the series, it was the second worse becasue of the childish antics that are used in the film. The Ewoks are a child magnet, trying to be friendly to the kids. Jabba the Hutt is used as a grossout technique, but it was effective to an extent. I think that the Best is far and away TESB, with AotC coming in a distant second. RotJ ranks below with TPM.

As for which movie I most want to see, I would say I'm excited for all of them. Episode III should be something to watch, and I can't wait for it. YEt, Even thought we already know what happens, why shouldn't we be just as excited for TTT? when FotR came out, we already knew what would happen, but we were in the vision of PEter Jackson, who has been given the opportunity to display it. I think that we'll be equally thrilled with LotR when they come out and it will likely spawn into The Hobbit.

[Jedi Master Gandalf]

You said it, Mann.

I'm very excited for Two Towers. Peter Jackson is an excellent director, and the trilogy is in the best of hands. No one could have equaled his care for the project.

But I'm with Mann, I'm equally excited for both. But the only reason I'm excited for The Two Towers a tad more is because it seems more tangible, with the trailer and the DVD preview and all.

[Darth Raptor]

definetely episode III, cause the story will be complete and all the secrets and everything will be revealed. the questions that all of us have been speculating will be answered like padme's death, the empires formation, anakins fall to the dark side, and the early history of the skywalker twins. plus im looking forward to vaders return to the big screen. dont get me wrong. im a big lotr fan myself and i have a huge respect for anyone else who is, but the books more or less can keep everyone occupied until the movies come out. plus most lotr fans will already know the whole plotline and everything and only have to look forward to special effects and how much alike the books and the movies are. in some ways its unfair to compare and contrast the two movies.

p.s. how great would it be if the star wars prequel trilogy was filmed at the same time and released a year apart instead of three like LOTR? just a thought

[Jedi Master Gandalf]

That would be awesome, but I think the magic would be over too soon.

[Dark Skywalker 9]

Definitely more excited for Episode III...but The Two Towers and Return of the King will be awesome flicks. Bought the Fellowship of the ring DVD first day and watched it 3 times...can't wait for the Special Edition in November with all the deleted scenes. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/y.gif

[Jedi Master Gandalf]

Glad to hear it, Dark!

[maddog62]

LOTR= cool Star Wars= awsome Is this not a bad topic I think we all would be on the LOTR website if we thought different. I waited every minute between EP1 and 2 and I will wait a couple of more for 3. GL has not dissapointed me yet ( except for a few minor things like Jake L. ) but I am 26 years old and still pumped up for this stuff.m I bought LOTR and I liked it but If you read the books then you know what will happen and if you did not you are pissed that it ends with no real movie plot. You can watch all 5 star wars individually and not see any other and still enjoy that episode without seeing any other. Maybe I just don't get LOTR yet. But the movie reminds me of the 9th Gate were right before something is suppose to happen you see the credits rolling and you say to yourself. What the :censored: did I just watch? Or even Moster Ball that temps you with Naked HB in sex scenes but after you watch your like, I think I am more stupid after watching this crap.

[maddog62]

By the way Monster Ball did not have any monsters in it and no sports equipment anywhere in the movie.

[Jedi Master Gandalf]

Why is everyone so mad about the ending of LOTR?? It was supposed to end like that, because that's the way books end!! Geez, I hate the way people say the ending sucked. You know there's two more movies coming, so what the :censored: is wrong??? And the film DID have a movie plot, just in case you somehow missed it.

[Mann]

right on Gandalf. The ending was correctly done to appease with the moviegoer audience. Jackosn's merging the ending of FotR with the beginning of TTT becasue it is more of an ending to a part of the whole story. the LorT is one big 9 hour movie that is divided into 3 parts. That is why they say "THE LORD OF THE RINGS" in the commercials becasue it is one big movie.

The plot? Did you see the movie? The movie is one big story? If you said the books are enough, why are you confused on the plot? Simple terms: The realm of Middle-Earth is under attack by an evil Soceror/God named Sauron who need to find his lost ring to accomplish this. The hobbit named Frodo has the ring and needs to head right into Sauron's home to destroy it. Meanwhile, everyone else is helping fight the bad guys form taking over. got it?

[Jedi Master Gandalf]

Thanks, Mann!

[maddog62]

I dig it but I am SW all the way and thats all I got to say about that.

[Jedi Master Gandalf]

Thanks

[Jedi Ulic]

I'll admit that I was a little harsh in my criticism of the LOTR film. I have seen it again and there is no doubt that it is a good film. There were so very cool bits in like the opening scenes where it tells the story of Elendil and Gil-Galad. The sets were amazing, so much like I imagined it when reading the book. The thing that I was disappointed with was that some parts of the story were changed needlessly. It wasn't to save time, they just changed them. This sort of thing kinda annoys me. I guess I just expected too much.

[Mann]

I agre with the set pieces. Phenomenal! I was stunned when it lost the award to Moulin Rouge! And now the changes worked with the film because some characters didn't mater except for a certain point of the story. On paper it was cool with all the characters, but on screen we can only have so many.

[borgmatrix]

Originally posted by Mann@Aug. 14 2002 - 15:23
right on Gandalf. The ending was correctly done to appease with the moviegoer audience. Jackosn's merging the ending of FotR with the beginning of TTT becasue it is more of an ending to a part of the whole story. the LorT is one big 9 hour movie that is divided into 3 parts. That is why they say "THE LORD OF THE RINGS" in the commercials becasue it is one big movie.
That's it exactly, Mann. Most don't realize that Tolkein wrote the Lord of the Rings as one novel. But the publisher refused to release it like that and it was arbitrarily broken down into three parts and released at 6-month intervals. The book ending was actually more abrupt than the movie, but like Mann said, that was changed for the audience, to make it feel more like an ending. Unfortunately, it seems like many still don't appreciate it.

[Jedi Master Gandalf]

I'm just glad Richard Taylor and Weta crowd got some Oscars. They made this book come to life.

Just as borgmatrix said, LOTR is one novel, and maybe in 2004 it will seem like that when we can all sit and watch it as one film.

I am one of the people who appreciated the ending of FOTR. And yes, the book was even more sudden. Peter Jackson recently said


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that The Two Towers ends before Shelob and if we thought Fellowship of the Ring had a cliffhanger ending, then Two Towers is even better, of for some of you, worse.
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That's good news for me. And The Two Towers is 3hrs and 14 minutes. The Battle of Helm's Deep spanning over 50 minutes.

[Jedi Master Shaft]

I'm more excited for Episode III, indeed.

I bought the VHS of The Fellowship Of The Ring while I was in London recently ( I'm waiting the Special Edition to buy it in DVD ) and I have to say that Lord Of The Rings is not as good as I thought it would be.

Now I saw it 3 times I think it's a very good movie but I still think that there are much too many things that have been dropped from the novel. All these new scenes with Saruman are great but I finished the first book the day before I saw the video and I was really shocked to see that many of my favorite scenes in the book were not in the film.

But Lord Of The Rings: The Fellowship Of The Ring was very good and I will see The Two Towers the day it will be released in theaters.


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[tunafishgirl]

LOTR all the way! *i mean, TTT is only 123.5 days away! *i'm sure that once ep III is that close, i'll get really excited about it, but it's entirely too far away right now. *right now, i'm thoroughly excited about LOTR. *the screen adaptation of the book is probably the best i've ever seen. *the books are amazing. *the fellowship of the ring was done beautifully. *i can't wait to get back to middle-earth!!!

[Jedi Master Gandalf]

Right on, tunafishgirl!

I'm very excited for Episode 3 right now, but I think the reason my excitement for Two Towers surpasses it, is because the latter is so close. I've seen footage from the film on the FOTR DVD and it looks so awesome. Once we get some more solid info on Ep3 I think I'll be more excited.

[Mann]

Gandalf, thank you so much for the informatio on TTT! A 50 minute battle: sweeet! And now that it's longer than the first, I'm gonna have all my friends and me go and see the film with me.

What did Richard Taylor do? I don't remember that name was he the make-up artists or visual effects?

[Jedi Master Gandalf]

<<Gandalf, thank you so much for the informatio on TTT!>>

My pleasure, Mann!
Richard Taylor is the president of Weta Workshop, the special effects division working on LOTR. Taylor supervised all of the makeup, armory, and weaponry. He really deserved that Oscar. I'm not sure he did anything with CG effects, though.

[Mann]

Yeah, he was miles ahead of the other two nominees for makeup. (A Beautiful mind was a joke, the makeup sucked @rse!)

The Special Effects were good too, but the other nominee that contended was A.I. which was extremly impressive. YEt Lord of the Rings had a book to go by, so I think it should have won.

[Jedi Master Gandalf]

I really admire Peter Jackson, Richard Taylor and company for going against the grain, in a way. Nearly everyone in the film industry uses ILM when they need visual effects. Weta is the first major alternative that I've seen.

[Mann]

And the won the oscar! Jackson is a genius by the way, and i know why he lost to the phony Howard.

[Jedi Master Gandalf]

I agree. Ron Howard is a great director, and I enjoyed A Beautiful Mind, but it just wasn't his year. It was Peter Jackson's, and that's why he should've gotten the Oscar. Its a shame that LOTR only won technical awards and no major ones. Ian McKellen deserved Best Supporting Actor, Peter Jackson deserved Best Director, and LOTR deserved Best Picture!!

[Mann]

exactly, but I can't say I enjoyed A Beautiful Mind. I read the book before and was appaled by the misrepresentation.

[Jedi Master Gandalf]

Really? I didn't read the book, so I wouldn't know.

[Mann]

yeah, the book made Nash look like a real person who had more than one wife and an illegitimate child and the fact that he had a homosexual life!

[Jedi Master Gandalf]

I heard about that.

To get somewhat back on topic, I think it'd be pretty cool if we saw an actor from LOTR star in Ep3. Someone like Orlando Bloom or Sean Bean. I'd love that. Who could they play?

[Mann]

Orlando Bloom would have been an ok anakin, but for now he could be a regular Jedi. I could see the gimli guy (name I don't know, but was in Indianna Jones!) playing a senator.

[Jedi Master Gandalf]

I could see John Rhys-Davies [Gimli] playing a senator. And yes, Orlando Bloom would have been a great Anakin, but I like Hayden Christensen too.

Maybe its possible that Orlando or Sean Bean could play Captain Antilles. I was hoping that Antilles could kind of be that rogue/skeptic character for the Prequels, not unlike Han.
That'd be cool.

[Mann]

hehe, that would be cool, but I don't hink Antilles will be that big a part. I think that skeptisim is not that big since the Jedi are well known right now.

[Jedi Master Gandalf]

That's a good point.
I'm sure Antilles won't be included too much, but I think the audience would appreciate his character [if he were like Han].
I'm thinking Captain Typho dies in the opening battle, so maybe Antilles could replace him. At the end, the droids are given to Antilles and their memories are erased.

"Our last master was Captain Antilles...."

[Mann]

I remember, I'm sure we'll see what happens to the droids at the end.

[Jedi Master Gandalf]

Most likely. Its a shame for Luke, though. He's always wondered about his father, and yet, his father's entire history could have been found through two unlikely droids.

[Mann]

yeah, but I have a sneaking suspicion that R2 doesn't lose his memory. Threepio does though.

[borgmatrix]

Originally posted by Jedi Master Gandalf@Aug. 16 2002 - 14:14
To get somewhat back on topic, I think it'd be pretty cool if we saw an actor from LOTR star in Ep3.
Well, we've already had the LOTR connection with Christoper Lee (Sarumen) as Dooku and he will be in epIII.

[Jedi Master Gandalf]

Thank you, but I was referring to someone else.

[Lonesabre]

I could see John Rhys-Davies [Gimli] playing a senator.

Didnt he already do the voice of Boss Nass?

Maybe Orlando Bloom could play the rumoured character of Maces padawan who befriends Anakin? His name escapes me for the moment but it has been mentioned on another thread, I just cant remember? Anyone know?

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[Jedi Master Gandalf]

The voice of Boss Nass was Brian Blessed.

I don't think I'd want to see Orlando Bloom play a Jedi. I think it'd be too close to Legolas, so I'd want him to play Antilles or another character.

But I think he would be a great Jedi to see, though.

[Jedi Master Gandalf]

Another actor I'd like to see in Ep3 would be Jason Isaacs.

[Jedi Master Gandalf]

Isaacs could easily play an Imperial or someone evil.

I already said that if Antilles is in Ep3, he should be played by someone who seems like they wouldn't take things too seriously. A Republic/Rebel officer who's along the lines of Han, but more proud of his cause. He'd be a great character.

I'm not sure if he should be another protector of Padme, or just a scoundrel who just so happened to come along.

[Jamielee]

Originally posted by tunafishman@June 26 2002 - 10:18
While from a plot point of view, I'm definetly more excited to see EpIII, I would say otherwise I really want to see LOTR and see how they do the visual effects for a lot of the stuff (Treebeard!)
I definitely agree! I can't wait to see how they do treebeard! I was disappointed when they didn't have the Old Forest (is that what it was called?) and Tom Bombadil in it . . .oh well.

[Jedi Master Gandalf]

To bring this old, cob-webbed topic back, I just wanted to say that I am DYING to see Two Towers right now!! Especially since the new trailer came out last Monday [Sept. 30]. This forum is running dry of interesting topics. We can only speculate so much. Because of the lack of info on Ep3 [which isn't anyone's fault, really] my brain has set on Two Towers.

A little while ago, I was thinking that the only major thing I wanted to see was Helm's Deep. After I saw that trailer, I've come to realize that there is so much more awesome stuff packed in The Two Towers; Oliphaunts--they rock!
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Also, I can't wait to see Saruman's death. I know he falls on a spike, but how does that happen??







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[Martini]

yea everyone here needs to lay off SW for a bit. we got nothing on the next movie. im just waiting for the DVD then my focus for the next couple years are the two Lord of the Rings movies, two matrix movies, and some other cool flicks that are coming out. this is one reason im thinking of leaving this forum and not returning till 2004

[Jedi Master Gandalf]

When something is as tangible as The Two Towers, you're obviously going to get excited for that over something that still seems like a figment of our imaginations. Ep3 is so far away it almost seems like it will never be. There is no plot hints, no pictures, no anything.

With The Two Towers delivering two awesome trailers, numerous pictures and a soundtrack coming up [December 9], it seems so close. Its like the old saying, "Seeing is believing", except this is "Seeing is anticipating". I see, so I anticipate.

[Darth Vegas]

In the book, Saruman is killed by Worm tongue with a knife. Why would they change that?

Ever since I heard and saw some pics of the new pickup shots they did for Two Towers, I've really been hyped, it looks way better than the first, definately another oscar contender, however I don't think it will win, I'm hoping more for Minority Report or Signs to win.

Anyway, yeah I can't wait for it.

[qui-riv-brid]

I know exactly what in going to happen in LOTR II and III because I can read the book or listen to the BBC radio version but I don't know exactly what is going to happen in EP.III.

Generally, yes, but not exactly so that holds more tension.

[Martini]

I'm excited for AOTC on DVD, then ill be pumped up for LOTR part II.

yea but bond i agree it wont get noticed by the Oscars. cause they wouldnt know a good movie if it bit them square in the a$$. and they wont like Two Towers cause its basically a sequel and sequels never get attention.

i agree, i love minority report. one of the best movies ive ever seen. but i dont think it will get noticed

[mara_jade_skywalker]

i dont know i would love to see both, they are both cool and i dont know what happes in eitehr.

[Brian]

Originally posted by Jedi Master Gandalf@Oct 6 2002, 10:48 PM
To bring this old, cob-webbed topic back, I just wanted to say that I am DYING to see Two Towers right now!! Especially since the new trailer came out last Monday [Sept. 30]. This forum is running dry of interesting topics. We can only speculate so much. Because of the lack of info on Ep3 [which isn't anyone's fault, really] my brain has set on Two Towers.

A little while ago, I was thinking that the only major thing I wanted to see was Helm's Deep. After I saw that trailer, I've come to realize that there is so much more awesome stuff packed in The Two Towers; Oliphaunts--they rock!
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Also, I can't wait to see Saruman's death. I know he falls on a spike, but how does that happen??







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Saurman doesn't die until the end of ROTK.

[MXCABRINI]

FOR ALL OF THEM, THEY ARE COOL,

(BUT STAR WARS STILL RULES)

[Lonesabre]

One month and counting until AOTC on DvD!! That is definately what Im excited about at the moment. After that it'll definately be TTT and ROTK, but then..... well, you know the rest style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

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[MegoHulk]

Also, I can't wait to see Saruman's death. I know he falls on a spike, but how does that happen??







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Saurman doesn't die until the end of ROTK.

Thats right, where did anyone hear he's going to fall on a spike? the only reason I can think of them changing it is to save time...remember in ROTK, the Hobbits travel back to the Shire to find "sharky" has taken over and thats where Wormtounge kills him. They may cut that bit out to save time and to end the movies on a high note, with the crowning of Aragorn and the Elves, Bilbo and Frodo leaving for the Grey Havens. Sorry if any of this is a spoiler but you all need to read the books anyways. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

[Javen]

I with Martini in that I'm in anticipation of The Lord of the Rings next movies and The Matrix.

[Jedi Master Gandalf]

Its old news now that Saruman will die in The Two Towers. Yes, I'm well aware that he doesn't die in the book, but in the film he'll die. I've already read tons of spy reports that say he's going to, and I've seen a picture, and they say so in French Premeire magazine. So, don't act like I don't know what I'm talking about.

I don't really care about any changes made [as long as they're not too severe] because I have full faith in Peter Jackson. All the changes made for Fellowship of the Ring worked out for the better in my eyes.

[RollaFett]

Why is this thread in this section, anyway?

[Jedi Master Gandalf]

What do you mean? The thread is asking a question concerning Ep3.

[Brian]

Originally posted by Jedi Master Gandalf@Oct 12 2002, 09:28 PM
Its old news now that Saruman will die in The Two Towers. Yes, I'm well aware that he doesn't die in the book, but in the film he'll die. I've already read tons of spy reports that say he's going to, and I've seen a picture, and they say so in French Premeire magazine. So, don't act like I don't know what I'm talking about.
Dude, you know I am not trying to do that. I didn't realize Peter Jackson was going to make changes like that. IMHO, killing Saurman in TTT is a major change in the movies from the book. If that is the case, the Hobbits will return to the Shire in good order (and not taken over by "Sharky", which is not what happens in the book at all. That chapter shows how much the Hobbits had grown while on their journey (they are bad asses!!!)

[Jedi D'oh]

I just finished reading TTT today, so i'm hyped for the movie. But i also cant wait for SW, either.

[Brian]

You reading on the job?

[Jedi D'oh]

Nah, just during lunch. As always.

[Isomorph]

I'm more excited about EP3 than LOTR.

[Rob]

Topic moved from spoilers to non-spoilers because of the thread's content.

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