"Return of the Jedi"

[Daibutsusan73]

As a kid, for years and years after seeing RotJ I always assumed the title meant:

Luke has returned, and he is a Jedi, hence RotJ. It was good enough for me. It didn't actualy have to make sense (where was Luke returning from?).

Then after I graduated High School, and got back into SW it hit me. The title means:

The Jedi have returned in general, in the form of Luke. This actually makes sense.

But a few years back, after seeing AotC a new theory for the title occured to me:

The title is referring to Anakin. Once he redeems himself by saving his son & killing the Emperor, he ceases to be Vader and once again becomes Anakin. The Jedi returns.

What do you think the title means?

[Talcy]

The Jedi got decimated.

Now they're back. Even if it's one guy.

Simple as.

[mtilden]

Originally posted by Daibutsusan73@Apr 19 2005, 09:32 AM
As a kid, for years and years after seeing RotJ I always assumed the title meant:

Luke has returned, and he is a Jedi, hence RotJ. It was good enough for me. It didn't actualy have to make sense (where was Luke returning from?).

Then after I graduated High School, and got back into SW it hit me. The title means:

The Jedi have returned in general, in the form of Luke. This actually makes sense.

But a few years back, after seeing AotC a new theory for the title occured to me:

The title is referring to Anakin. Once he redeems himself by saving his son & killing the Emperor, he ceases to be Vader and once again becomes Anakin. The Jedi returns.

What do you think the title means?
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I really don't see why it has to be an 'either or'. It is the return, both of the Jedi as a whole, and of one particular Jedi Anakin.

[Sargoth]

It's the same kind of double entendre you have with "A New Hope". At first look, the new hope is the Rebel's victory in destroying the Death Star. But in the series as a whole, it refers more to Luke (and Leia) taking up their respective destinies as the heirs to Anakin's legacy. Return of the Jedi from an OT stanpoint means the return of the Jedi Order from the brink of extinction. But in relationship to the the entire saga, it means Anakin's redemption.

[Sam Kenobi]

I read a thread somewhere here that this came up in. All the movie titles can have more than one meaning.

[GeneralDirection]

I've personally always seen it as the Jedi Order as a whole, just as I imagine Revenge of the Sith refers to the Sith Order. I like the idea that it could be Anakin, though.

[havinafett]

Definitely more than one meaning:

1. The Return of the Jedi as a whole
2. The Return of the Jedi Anakin Skywalker
3. The Return of the Jedi Luke Skywalker to confront Vader once more
4. The Return of the Jedi Luke Skywalker to Dagobah to complete his training - "And I'll return, I promise."

There are probably even more meanings one could come up with, but those are the ones I think of off hand.

[Justin]

I think the original intent was just that the Jedi (represented by Luke) have returned, they are no longer in hiding.

The other meanings that we have extrapolated definitely could be valid but not necessarily the idea at the time, or at least not the main point. The point is, the Jedi order is back in an official capacity.

[James]

The Jedi are back.

[Mothman]

I'm guessing GL was just ripping off "Return of the King" (the final entry in the LOTR trilogy).

[Obi-Stu]

I'm we've had this conversation before.

Now to try and find it....

[mtilden]

Originally posted by Mothman@Apr 20 2005, 06:42 PM
I'm guessing GL was just ripping off "Return of the King" (the final entry in the LOTR trilogy).
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Errr.... not quite, he is ripping off the titles of the old movies from the 1930's-1940's, which are are full of people and things 'returning'.... go to IMDB.com and do a search on the words 'return', 'returns', and so on, see how many you get, HUNDREDS, e.g. 1975's 'Return of the Pink Panther'. Lucas used the word 'return', for the same reason he used the phrase 'Strikes Back': because it is a traditional, movie sequel style name, movie sequels titles are filled with allusions to people and things 'striking back'.... 'striking again' etc
e.g. the 1976 film 'The Pink Panther Strikes Again'.
Movie sequels are also frequently filled with allusions to 'revenge of the', such as, may as well continue with the same theme here, the 1978 film 'Revenge of the Pink Panther'. All of those 'Pink Panther' titles are mocking the fact that it is a cliche to name sequels by these names. Lucas does the same thing, except that for it isn't mockery, but rather an affectionate homage.

[Cassus Fett]

I think it means the Jedi has returned, meaing the Anakin has come back from the darkside and a new jedi order shall begin

[stylo]

Originally posted by GeneralDirection@Apr 19 2005, 05:11 PM
I've personally always seen it as the Jedi Order as a whole, just as I imagine Revenge of the Sith refers to the Sith Order. I like the idea that it could be Anakin, though.
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Yeah I've always seen it as the whole Jedi Order as well, but all the ideas I've read could work too.

[Mark Skywalker]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>"Return of the Jedi", What do you think it means?[/b][/quote]

To me it means these things.

The Return Of The Jedi Kinght (in general,)

The Return Of Anakin Skywalker as (Jedi Kinght) in the end

The Return of Luke Skywalker as a Jedi Knight. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/saber.gif

[Raganork8]

i love this discussion.
#1: luke cannot return as a jedi since he was never a jedi in the first place... right?

#2: ok the anakin thing sounds really good, kinda like return of the man! and hello return of the king was obviously his basis come on they're off by one word.

#3: Jedi's as a whole in general is what i take it, he's done a great job of not making jedi a word with no diffrent plural. thanks george.

[mtilden]

Originally posted by raganork8@Apr 24 2005, 12:37 AM
#2: ok the anakin thing sounds really good, kinda like return of the man! and hello return of the king was obviously his basis come on they're off by one word.



This is LOTR-centric nonsense. Do me a favor: go to IMDB.com do a search on the word 'Returns' and see what you get. Do you have any idea just how common titles of the form 'Return of the _____' are? It was not an invention of JRR Tolkein.

[Raganork8]

i know but goerge even said he used aspects of the lotr series... and theres the title i'm sure it was convient i would have too

[mtilden]

Originally posted by raganork8@Apr 24 2005, 01:06 AM
i know but goerge even said he used aspects of the lotr series... and theres the title i'm sure it was convient i would have too
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I have never heard George say that he has used aspects of LOTR. I did once see him admit that he read it in college, but I have never seen him say that he used it. George's main inspiration is not in LOTR, but in the old Hollywood of the 1930's and 1940's. He is a classic movie nut, not a Tolkein nut.

[Sargoth]

Originally posted by mtilden@Apr 23 2005, 07:12 PM
He is a classic movie nut, not a Tolkein nut.
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Be that as it may, Tolkien and Lucas share a very common trait: They are both contemporary myth makers. Lucas wanted a modern myth for the cinema in a Space Opera tradition. Tolkien wanted to create a literary myth for England, as he felt that there had been no proper English myth since Beowulf (the Arthur legend was more of a French/Norman story). It isn't hard to see the parallels between the two, as they draw from such universal source material.

But to say that "Return of the Jedi" as a title was inspired by Tolkien? Come on!

[mtilden]

Originally posted by Sargoth+Apr 24 2005, 04:03 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Sargoth @ Apr 24 2005, 04:03 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-mtilden@Apr 23 2005, 07:12 PM
He is a classic movie nut, not a Tolkein nut.
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Be that as it may, Tolkien and Lucas share a very common trait: They are both contemporary myth makers. Lucas wanted a modern myth for the cinema in a Space Opera tradition. Tolkien wanted to create a literary myth for England, as he felt that there had been no proper English myth since Beowulf (the Arthur legend was more of a French/Norman story). It isn't hard to see the parallels between the two, as they draw from such universal source material.

But to say that "Return of the Jedi" as a title was inspired by Tolkien? Come on!
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Yeah, he may have been partially inspired by Tolkein's idea of creating a 'modern mythology' but who knows? It is never easy for anyone, even for the creator himself to figure out where a particular idea originated. In fact, if you ever meet a writer, director, or in general, any person working in the creative arts, never, ever, ever ask them 'where do you get your ideas?', because even they don't know where the ideas come from, and they get really, really, really tired of being asked.

[Olga]

The theory of Anakin's redemption sounds much better.

[liamario]

Originally posted by Daibutsusan73@Apr 19 2005, 10:32 AM
As a kid, for years and years after seeing RotJ I always assumed the title meant:

Luke has returned, and he is a Jedi, hence RotJ. It was good enough for me. It didn't actualy have to make sense (where was Luke returning from?).

Then after I graduated High School, and got back into SW it hit me. The title means:

The Jedi have returned in general, in the form of Luke. This actually makes sense.

But a few years back, after seeing AotC a new theory for the title occured to me:

The title is referring to Anakin. Once he redeems himself by saving his son & killing the Emperor, he ceases to be Vader and once again becomes Anakin. The Jedi returns.

What do you think the title means?
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i'd agree with the second one, although, george woould maintain it was the third one. why does he always say that certain things were his intention after the fact

[MANVERU]

Think about this. After Yoda died, there was no body to take the lead of the Jedi order. So, Luke took it on himself to establish the New Order, but he doesn't actually establish it in the ROTJ, but in the Jedi Accademy trilogy. So, I guess you could say it is THE RETURN OF THE JEDI, because Luke is the only one left to make it work. Although it does say return of the jedi, I think it may actually mean the extermination of the Sith.

[walong]

Originally posted by Daibutsusan73@Apr 19 2005, 04:32 AM
As a kid, for years and years after seeing RotJ I always assumed the title meant:

Luke has returned, and he is a Jedi, hence RotJ. It was good enough for me. It didn't actualy have to make sense (where was Luke returning from?).

Then after I graduated High School, and got back into SW it hit me. The title means:

The Jedi have returned in general, in the form of Luke. This actually makes sense.

But a few years back, after seeing AotC a new theory for the title occured to me:

The title is referring to Anakin. Once he redeems himself by saving his son & killing the Emperor, he ceases to be Vader and once again becomes Anakin. The Jedi returns.

What do you think the title means?
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The original title was "Revenge of the Jedi". It was even in the movie trailers that were out in late 1982, before Lucas changed it. He decided that revenge was not something that Jedi seek, so he changed "revenge" to "return".

I'm not making this up -- I recall the trailers clearly. Also in Starlog magazine at the time it was discussed constantly, including when it changed.

[walong]

I do recall that it seemed a bit hokey to me that in the opening titles, right after "Episode VI The Return of the Jedi", the first line starts, "Luke Skywalker has returned to his home planet Tattooine...."

It's just that the repeat of the work "return" right after the title always read kind of funny to me -- I walways wondered if they meant to make a big deal about Luke returning to Tattooine, but that really doesnt make much sense.

[HanSolo07]

I think ROTJ means Darth Vader returns to the good side, seeing as how he was a jedi before he turned to the dark side.

[walong]

Originally posted by HanSolo07@May 11 2005, 05:19 PM
I think ROTJ means Darth Vader returns to the good side, seeing as how he was a jedi before he turned to the dark side.
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sure, it's possible to interpret it that way today (as well as the other interesting suggestions above), but I just wonder what exactly was Lucas' original intent, since "revenge" has a different set of connotations.

It seems that maybe he just meant that the jedi were going to come back and finally whup the sith but good, but that's not consistent with the "redemption" theme.

But if redemption was what he had in mind from the beginning (this is the whole notion of a 6-part 'gameplan' from pre-1977) then I don't see how it helps to tell the OT before the PT. Chronological order would seem to be far more effective: it takes a lot of the drama away from ROTS if the audience knows ahead of time that Vader is going to fall to the dark side and later be redeemed.

I just see this as a clue that Lucas has been "winging it" with the overall saga since 1980.

[HanSolo07]

Remember, it was originally titled "Revenge of the Jedi", and we do see Darth Vader overthrow the Emperor and return to the light side. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[mtilden]

Originally posted by HanSolo07@May 12 2005, 12:29 AM
Remember, it was originally titled "Revenge of the Jedi", and we do see Darth Vader overthrow the Emperor and return to the light side. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif
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I really hate having this conversation over and over again, but... actually it was originally titled 'Return of the Jedi', but when Lucas took the script to the studio, they were unhappy with the title, and suggested he come up with something more dramatic. He returned the next day with the title 'Revenge of the Jedi', but he was never happy with it, and decided to change it back shortly before the release. I know alot of people don't believe this story, but the studio representative who suggested the title change appears on the DVD, and confirms that the title of the first draft WAS indeed 'Return of the Jedi.'

[HanSolo07]

Thanks for the information! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif

[walong]

Originally posted by mtilden@May 11 2005, 08:28 PM
actually it was originally titled 'Return of the Jedi', but when Lucas took the script to the studio, they were unhappy with the title, and suggested he come up with something more dramatic.* He returned the next day with the title 'Revenge of the Jedi', but he was never happy with it, and decided to change it back shortly before the release.* I know alot of people don't believe this story, but the studio representative who suggested the title change appears on the DVD, and confirms that the title of the first draft WAS indeed 'Return of the Jedi.'

I find this _very_ hard to believe too. Lucas has always had full creative control, and by the time ROTJ came around he was not fiscally accountable to anyone but himself. And if it really was a studio decision, why should they change their minds all of a sudden just before the release? Those kind of last-minute changes are expensive and they create confusion & make a mess out of all previous publicity. Plus if the film is already in the can (or nearly so) then Lucas has little if any leverage to try to push thru such a change.

Please pardon my cynicism here, but the DVD thing just sounds like more revisionism along the same lines of greedo shooting first. It wouldn't be very hard for Lucas to get people to say anything that he wants them to say for a DVD commentary. Of course Lucas has the right to change whatever he wants and whenever he sees fit, but I don't see the need for the "I meant to do that all along" stance.

[mtilden]

Originally posted by walong@May 12 2005, 04:56 PM
Please pardon my cynicism here, but the DVD thing just sounds like more revisionism along the same lines of greedo shooting first. It wouldn't be very hard for Lucas to get people to say anything that he wants them to say for a DVD commentary. Of course Lucas has the right to change whatever he wants and whenever he sees fit, but I don't see the need for the "I meant to do that all along" stance.
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Oh, so there is a conspiracy, Lucas forced a studio executive to lie? This is asinine, it is just downright asinine. This is not even worth the effort to refuite it, is so stupid, I can't believe the outright idiocy some people resort to to be able to bash Lucas.

[walong]

I think "conspiracy" is a rather over the top way to put it (and i am at a disadvantage here because I havent seem the dvd in question or even know who is making such claims). That said, hollywood studios are certainly full of yes-men who place a high priority on image and are often quite williing to spin things to make themselves (or their compatriots) look better. Thus I tend to be skeptical of such claims, and if anyone wants to call that bashing then go ahead, i dont really care, but it;s a differtnt definition of bashing than what i use.

[Galahad_Skywalker]

It doesn't have to become Lucas-bashing, if you're careful, but there have been a number of changes in Lucas's words through the years. I don't know what exactly to believe, but maybe Lucas is afraid that the series would be cheapened if he talked about the number of things that have changed since 1977. Really, the saga has been a work in progress since the day he sat down and wrote the first outline; I compare his work on the saga to a writer's work on a novel. Margaret Mitchell wrote the last chapter of Gone With the Wind first, and when the manuscript was first read by publishers, she hadn't even written the first chapter yet. Besides, Lucas has also discussed the frustrating process of filming the original films; it may be that the pressure that he's been under has toyed with his memory. Who knows?

In reference to Tolkien: LOTR and Star Wars will always share roughly equal places in my heart, though Star Wars does get more of my attention. Comparing them to each other is pointless, because they're both amazing and just cannot be subordinated to each other. But also, bear in mind that the titles to the installments of LOTR were attached because the publishers wanted the story divided into three parts. Tolkien was never happy with the title of "Return of the King" because he felt it gave away too much of the story, or so I've heard; he preferred "The War of the Ring," but his publishers shot that down. This may be wrong, but I read this version of it somewhere. I agree that Lucas wasn't intentionally trying to rip Tolkien.

What is so great about the titles is that they can be applied in so many ways to the movies, meaning that the many interpretations are correct, in my opinion. I would like to believe that this was intentional on Lucas's part. My favorite interpretation is the return of the Jedi Order from underground. In my view, that "return" takes place in the very first part of the film, where Luke and company rescue Han and take down Jabba the Hutt. When Luke walks into Jabba's compound, his hood over his head, it's essentially the rebirth of what the Jedi were all about: maintaining "peace and justice in the galaxy." The whole mission sent a sign to the galaxy that the Jedi Order, though only consisting of one man, had returned.

[The Black Saber]

As a late-comer to the series (EpI was my first SW film), I always figured it was in reference to the dominating side. Ep 1+2 is light, Anakin brings balance, by tipping favour to the Dark side, and when he's gone, good overcomes evil (GL's classic storytelling side again), and that this is a return, much like that of when the Sith were defeated originally, pre EpI.

[walong]

Originally posted by Galahad_Skywalker@May 14 2005, 01:25 PM
It doesn't have to become Lucas-bashing, if you're careful, but there have been a number of changes in Lucas's words through the years. I don't know what exactly to believe, but maybe Lucas is afraid that the series would be cheapened if he talked about the number of things that have changed since 1977. Really, the saga has been a work in progress since the day he sat down and wrote the first outline

I think that a WIP license is perfectly legit. i dont think that the cheapening thing is an issue for him, since he's made so many revisions anyway and been pretty open about it.

[walong]

Originally posted by Galahad_Skywalker@May 14 2005, 01:25 PM
What is so great about the titles is that they can be applied in so many ways to the movies, meaning that the many interpretations are correct, in my opinion. I would like to believe that this was intentional on Lucas's part. My favorite interpretation is the return of the Jedi Order from underground. In my view, that "return" takes place in the very first part of the film, where Luke and company rescue Han and take down Jabba the Hutt. When Luke walks into Jabba's compound, his hood over his head, it's essentially the rebirth of what the Jedi were all about: maintaining "peace and justice in the galaxy." The whole mission sent a sign to the galaxy that the Jedi Order, though only consisting of one man, had returned.

yep, i've always liked that interpretation.

[walong]

Originally posted by Galahad_Skywalker@May 14 2005, 01:25 PM
I agree that Lucas wasn't intentionally trying to rip Tolkien.

i tend to agree. tolkein's influence can definitely be seen in lucas' filsm, but influence is a common thing in many forms of literature.

as they say, to steal from one is plagarism. to steal from many is called reserch style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif

[Bent Saber]

Yeah, there are a ton of movies that are "Return of the something" Next they'll be saying "Revenge of the Sith" is a ripoff of "Revenge of the Nerds" LOL

[Shadow_Almond]

it means that vader is no more and anakin is back. all six movies are following anakin and his fufillment of the profacy(spelling?) all opther characters (even luke and leia) are simply there to help him fufill it. on the other hand it could mean the return of the jedi all together. but i find that very unlikely.

[ROR_JagFel_20]

^^Very good. Because if u think about it Anakin is the central character in all of Star Wars. Everyone else is just extras almost.

[Der Windu]

To me it means and always has meant:

The Jedi are now back in town following Luke Skywalker defeating the Sith. It is not so specific to Luke himself, simply the Jedi order.

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Der

[Warrior of Old]

it means more than one thing all at once.

It means The Jedi Anakin skywalker is back.

It means Luke returns to face Vader as a Jedi.

It means the JEdi in general in the form of Luke are back.

It's all, not one or the other. That's what makes a good title.

[Galahad_Skywalker]

^Agreed. We may have our different interpretations, but they're all right. So we all win! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[clarkson88]

Originally posted by Warrior of Old@May 30 2005, 02:59 AM
it means more than one thing all at once.

It means The Jedi Anakin skywalker is back.

It means Luke returns to face Vader as a Jedi.

It means the JEdi in general in the form of Luke are back.

It's all, not one or the other. That's what makes a good title.
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i agree

[James William Alexander Atreides]

Originally posted by Warrior of Old@May 29 2005, 09:59 PM
it means more than one thing all at once.

It means The Jedi Anakin skywalker is back.

It means Luke returns to face Vader as a Jedi.

It means the JEdi in general in the form of Luke are back.

It's all, not one or the other. That's what makes a good title.
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Luke is back and he will return the Jedi to their rightful glory. "The Boys are Back in Town." style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/bow.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/saber.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/victory.gif

[Jedi Master Carter_Force Lord]

Simple. No argument to it. For decades the Jedi Order and Religion have not existed, or are in exile. Luke, now a Jedi Master, has returned and revealed himself to be Jedi, openly. Hence, Return of the Jedi. In Expanded Universe, after ROTJ, Luke starts a Jedi Academy, which means Jedi are back in buisness. This topic can be closed. There's nothing more to it.

[clarkson88]

a) the jedi order starts
b) anakin returns to ba a jedi
c) luke returns as a jedi knight

[James William Alexander Atreides]

Originally posted by clarkson88@Jun 11 2005, 04:28 PM
a) the jedi order starts
b) anakin returns to ba a jedi
c) luke returns as a jedi knight
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It can't be any straight forward than that. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbsup.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/saber.gif

[Darth Octavious]

The Star Wars saga is the story about Anakin Skywalker. ROTJ means, Anakin is back as a Jedi, brought balance to the force and that it. So no more Star Wars movies, NO Episodes 7, 8, 9

[James William Alexander Atreides]

Originally posted by Darth Octavious@Jun 13 2005, 09:25 AM
The Star Wars saga is the story about Anakin Skywalker. ROTJ means, Anakin is back as a Jedi, brought balance to the force and that it. So no more Star Wars movies, NO Episodes 7, 8, 9
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So why can't the saga be continued on the movie screen? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/saber.gif

[Findsman]

In light of the prequel trilogy, I think that most would agree that Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader is the main character of the Star Wars saga. His actions and the evolution of his character are central to each of the films. Hence, in my mind, the meaning of ROTJ is primarily the return of Anakin Skywalker to the Light Side and the ranks of the Jedi Order. Certainly, the restoration of the Jedi Order through Luke is probably a secondary meaning, but I think the primary one is most likely a reference to Anakin.

[James William Alexander Atreides]

Originally posted by Findsman@Jun 14 2005, 07:44 PM
In light of the prequel trilogy, I think that most would agree that Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader is the main character of the Star Wars saga. His actions and the evolution of his character are central to each of the films. Hence, in my mind, the meaning of ROTJ is primarily the return of Anakin Skywalker to the Light Side and the ranks of the Jedi Order. Certainly, the restoration of the Jedi Order through Luke is probably a secondary meaning, but I think the primary one is most likely a reference to Anakin.
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Okay fine. Its just that Lucas at one time considered sequels 7,8,and 9.

[mtel1979]

Is it just me, or is everyone here pretty much saying the same things here.....It's this, this, and this, I agree....Your right! It's this, this, and this.....Yeah, I believe too that it's this, this, and this........ style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/giveup.gif

[James William Alexander Atreides]

The Circle has yet to be complete on this thread.

[Darth Octavious]

If there was going to be another Star Wars movie (rather it be after Jedi or before Menace, like an Old Republic) it can not have a "Episode" in the title. example: Star Wars: Jedi Knights or Sith Demise.

[James William Alexander Atreides]

How about a Star Wars movie in the Star Wars universe but not about the story of Anakin Skywalker? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/vader.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/saber.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/y.gif

[Darth Octavious]

Originally posted by Darth Octavious@Jun 14 2005, 10:43 PM
If there was going to be another Star Wars movie (rather it be after Jedi or before Menace, like an Old Republic) it can not have a "Episode" in the title. example: Star Wars: Jedi Knights or Sith Demise.

^ Sounds Trekkie

[Obidobi]

Stay on topic please.....

[Darth Octavious]

Sorry, trying to make a point

[Anakin4ever]

Well I think the Next Episodes r going to be about Luke, Leia and Han Solo's Lives. And might have a few surprises with Anakin back helping luke as the Force.

[Darth Octavious]

Anakin helping Luke with the Force, as a ghost? Who are you going tocast for Anakin? Hayden Christensen? He already did two movies and you can't use a different person for Hayden because of the ghost thing.

[Obidobi]

Originally posted by Darth Octavious@Jun 19 2005, 05:37 AM
Sorry, trying to make a point
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Wasn't only for you... For everybody...!

[James William Alexander Atreides]

Originally posted by Darth Octavious@Jun 18 2005, 11:47 PM
Anakin helping Luke with the Force, as a ghost? Who are you going tocast for Anakin? Hayden Christensen? He already did two movies and you can't use a different person for Hayden because of the ghost thing.
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We don't need any more movies. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/giveup.gif

[Darth Octavious]

^ Thanks, thats what I am talking about.

[James William Alexander Atreides]

Though some TV series wouldn't be too bad, right? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/victory.gif

[Darth Octavious]

I agree, TV series would be good. They have to show the rise Darth Vader, the Rebellion rising from the ashes and in the senate.

[Findsman]

I think that a television series would provide a lot of freedom to explore aspects of the Star Wars universe that so many are curious about.

[James William Alexander Atreides]

Originally posted by Findsman@Jun 20 2005, 09:57 AM
I think that a television series would provide a lot of freedom to explore aspects of the Star Wars universe that so many are curious about.
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The movie saga itself is the story of one person: Anakin Skywalker. Now it is time to expand the Star Wars Universe through the use of the Television medium. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbsup.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/victory.gif

[Raganork8]

Originally posted by James William Alexander Atreides+Jun 19 2005, 03:59 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(James William Alexander Atreides @ Jun 19 2005, 03:59 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-Darth Octavious@Jun 18 2005, 11:47 PM
Anakin helping Luke with the Force, as a ghost?* Who are you going tocast for Anakin? Hayden Christensen?* He already did two movies and you can't use a different person for Hayden because of the ghost thing.
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We don't need any more movies. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/giveup.gif
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Amen to that.

[James William Alexander Atreides]

Thanks. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbsup.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/exclamation.gif

[leiaorgana]

^ I could use more SW movies... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/crying.gif but you're probably right, EU is not as exciting (IMHO) as the original story

[James William Alexander Atreides]

Originally posted by leiaorgana@Jun 22 2005, 09:39 PM
^ I could use more SW movies... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/crying.gif but you're probably right, EU is not as exciting (IMHO) as the original story
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Yes, that's why they should go to television. I just hope we don't have another Holiday Special. Not that it was bad, mind you. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbsup.gif

[Solo]

As a kid, for years and years after seeing RotJ I always assumed the title meant:

Luke has returned, and he is a Jedi, hence RotJ. It was good enough for me. It didn't actualy have to make sense (where was Luke returning from?).

Then after I graduated High School, and got back into SW it hit me. The title means:

The Jedi have returned in general, in the form of Luke. This actually makes sense.

But a few years back, after seeing AotC a new theory for the title occured to me:

The title is referring to Anakin. Once he redeems himself by saving his son & killing the Emperor, he ceases to be Vader and once again becomes Anakin. The Jedi returns.

What do you think the title means?

I think all three of them can be accepted. I need to ask you all one thing though.

Correct me if I am wrong, but the first name GL thought for ROTJ was actually "Revenge of the Jedi". Than they decided revenge would not fit into Jedi way acting and changed it to "Return of the Jedi". If this is true than Luke's return from Degobah and Vader's return from dark side do not count. In this case, general return of jedi must be the cause behind the movie title.

[Darth Massacrus]

speaking of ROTJ, does anyone remember those Imperial Dignitaries that are sometimes seen with the Emperor? And speaking of Jedi returning, this is only the second known Jedi Purge from which the Jedi came back.

[Balnazzar]

speaking of ROTJ, does anyone remember those Imperial Dignitaries that are sometimes seen with the Emperor?

Yes, I remember. What`s with them?

[Darth Massacrus]

just that nobody seems to remember them, and the EU almost totally ignores them.

[Sarah-Leia]

I think (or is it Methinks) that the title refers to all these things. Well that is my opinion. After all, they all make sense.

[Darth Massacrus]

makes me wonder: just how many times have the Jedi had to return? I know of at least two, but might there be more revealed one day?

[Balnazzar]

No doubt! The new Jedi will come more and more often until another BIG BANG! will occur. And then of course all over again.- The Force bond is indispensable!