GAMING: Next-Gen Console Discussion

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

<span style="font-size:8pt;line-height:100%">Hey, I saw that there is a topic about E3 2005. You can move this there if you like, but I felt this was different from that topic. But do what you will.</span>



As I am sure you all know, the end of '05 and late '06 will feature the much anticipated (but too early released IMO) XBOX 2 (X2), PlayStation 3 (PS3), and the aptly codenamed Nintendo Revolution (NR).

Discussion is the basis of this topic. Discuss your opinions, news and updates
you've heard, etc., etc.


Acording to Electronic Gaming Monthly (EGM),
the PS3 and NR will be released late 2006, and the X2 will be released
at the end of this year... are you ready? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif

Here's some more from EGM's Next-Gen Console topic featured in
Issue #189:

PlayStation 3
Technology Partnership(s): IBM and Toshiba (computer processing unit), Nvidia (graphics processing unit)
Online-Ready?: Probably. "Online is going to be an integral part of any console going forward," says Sony Computer Entertainment America President Kaz Hirai.
Backward Compatible?: Very likely. "I don't see any reason why we shouldn't or we wouldn't want to do that," says Hirai.
Hard Drive?: Doesn't sound like it. "We're looking to come out with other devices that you can store data from your downloads on...." says Hirai.
Rumored Games: Gran Turismo 5, Final Fantasy 10,000,000,000 ( style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif just kidding style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif ) Final Fantasy XIII
Other News and Notes: The sytem will use Blue-ray discs, which can hold roughly six times the amount of data as PS2 DVDs.

XBOX 2
Technology Partnership(s): IBM (CPU), ATI (GPU)
Online-Ready?: Definitely. Expect several new features for XBOX LIVE, Microsoft's online gaming hub. "One thing we're pretty excited about is the idea of what's loosely called spectator mode," says Microsoft Game Studios General Manager Shane Kim.
Backward Compatible?: Still up in the air. It may prove difficult since the console's underlying hardware will be different from XBOX (which uses Nvidia-made GPU)
Hard Drive?: Yes and no (check out Other News and Notes below)
Rumored Games: Halo 3, Perfect Dark Zero, Kameo: Elements of Power, Dark Sector, The Elder Scrolls: Oblivion
Other News and Notes: Reports abound that Microsoft will release multiple versions of its XBOX successor (hard drive/no hard drive, one with PC-related functions).

Nintendo Revolution
Technology Partnership(s): IBM (CPU) and ATI (GPU) worked on the GameCube, and it's expected both will contribute to Nintendo's next system.
Online-Ready?: Nintendo President Satoru Iwata has said that "customers do not want online games," but the company can't ignore this wanted genre forever.
Backward Compatible?: Doubtful. No Nintendo console has ever included such a feature (<span style="color:blue">GAT</span>: another main reason for Nintendo's downfall style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/boxed.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/banghead.gif )
Hard Drive?: Again, doubtful. Nintendo likes to keep consoles at a consumer-friendly price, and including a hard drive would make that nearly impossible.
Rumored Games: New installments of classic Nintendo franchises (Mario, Zelda, etc.)
Other News and Notes: A Japanese newspaper has reported that Revolution's controller might not sport a D-pad or the traditional A and B buttons*

(*From EGM Issue #190: "Nintendo has promised something {different} with its next console... and this would definitely fit the bill: One report has the industry mainstay bringing out a machine that can communicate with others in your local area via a network similar to what cell phones use. Also the controller would allow you to rub its surface to, say, move an onscreen character. Sure it sounds crazy, but remember, this is the same company that brought us Virtual Boy and Nintendo DS.)

[Filoviridae]

Yay Xbox Next, Xenon, Xbox 360 or whatever the hell they want to call it. MS has set the standard for gaming and Sony and Nintendo will have a hard time matching it, much less besting it.

On the subject of reverse compatability IGN had a story that hypothesized it may be available to those who spring for the hard drive extention to the box.

Sony could make a push but they introduced their system too early this generation and were considered as the low res, inferior system after the others came out (unless you were an RPG gamer...xbox and gc didn't make a very impressive dent in that field).

Nintendo suffered from having a decent system but less functionality (DVD became standard and at least the PS2 had SOME online options even though pathetic). Did I miss something or does the GC have a modem port that does absolutely nothing?


Anyway...there's my two pesos.

[RollaFett]

Hmmm...I've been thinking about upgrading from my Gamecube to an X-Box for a while now, and now I wonder if I should wait until the X-Box 2 comes out.

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

Originally posted by Filoviridae@Mar 25 2005, 03:48 PM
Did I miss something or does the GC have a modem port that does absolutely nothing?

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I know! NOA (Nintendo Of America) kept saying "Oh, we'll get to that eventually... no rush..." Yeah, right. They have done nothing with it and they are already working on the next console style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/banghead.gif
Start what you finish! Start what you finish! It's been established that if the modem port had not been included, the GC would've cost less than the starting $120 that it was priced when it first hit stores. So we had to pay an extra $40 for a modem that doesn't do anything? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/banghead.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/vader.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/banghead.gif
At least they finally reduced it to $99, though.

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

Originally posted by GollaFett@Mar 25 2005, 07:31 PM
Hmmm...I've been thinking about upgrading from my Gamecube to an X-Box for a while now, and now I wonder if I should wait until the X-Box 2 comes out.
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You might want to do some serious saving than because EGM (Electronic Gaming Monthly) said the XBOX 2 is possibly going to be anywhere from twice to thrice the price of the first console.

[empire21]

^Is this article concerning cost in the magazine or on the webpage?

[RollaFett]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Grand Admiral Thrawn Today, 07:43 PM Post #5
QUOTE(GollaFett @ Mar 25 2005, 07:31 PM)
Hmmm...I've been thinking about upgrading from my Gamecube to an X-Box for a while now, and now I wonder if I should wait until the X-Box 2 comes out.






You might want to do some serious saving than because EGM (Electronic Gaming Monthly) said the XBOX 2 is possibly going to be anywhere from twice to thrice the price of the first console. [/b][/quote]


Yeah, I was afraid of that. The thing is, my best friend lives in South Carolina and I live in Jersey. he just got an X-Box and desperately wants me to get one so we can play online together. Maybe with that being the case, the X-Box currently available may be the best option, eh? I certainly don't see him upgrading with the prices you're talking about.

[Sam Kenobi]

Originally posted by Grand Admiral Thrawn@Mar 25 2005, 12:26 PM
Rumored Games: Halo 3, Perfect Dark Zero, Kameo: Elements of Power, Dark Sector, The Elder Scrolls: Oblivion
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Oh my G-d! Is this a sequal to the Perfect Dark that was originally released by Nintendo!? One of the best games I've ever played!? Still!? Whose company was bought out (by either Microsoft or Electronic Arts, I don't remember)!? And there's going to be a sequal!? And it's coming to X-BOX!? HOLY SH!T! I've been saying that they need to make a sequal for years! This is absolutely great news!I have to buy one now. And with the posibility of multiplayer and such, OMG! I am now getting an X-BOX 2 the day that Perfect Dark comes out on it. (Halo 3 is cool to, but PERFECT FRIKIN' DARK!)

[empire21]

Originally posted by GollaFett@Mar 25 2005, 07:31 PM
Hmmm...I've been thinking about upgrading from my Gamecube to an X-Box for a while now, and now I wonder if I should wait until the X-Box 2 comes out.
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I was thinking of doing the same.

[stormtrooper9]

I was watching something on G4TechTV and they said that the NR is going to be backwards compatibal. (O BTW they have a backwards compatabal unit already the GBA style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue2.gif )

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

Originally posted by GollaFett@Mar 25 2005, 11:01 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Grand Admiral Thrawn* Today, 07:43 PM* Post #5* *
QUOTE(GollaFett @ Mar 25 2005, 07:31 PM)
Hmmm...I've been thinking about upgrading from my Gamecube to an X-Box for a while now, and now I wonder if I should wait until the X-Box 2 comes out.






You might want to do some serious saving than because EGM (Electronic Gaming Monthly) said the XBOX 2 is possibly going to be anywhere from twice to thrice the price of the first console.*


Yeah, I was afraid of that. The thing is, my best friend lives in South Carolina and I live in Jersey. he just got an X-Box and desperately wants me to get one so we can play online together. Maybe with that being the case, the X-Box currently available may be the best option, eh? I certainly don't see him upgrading with the prices you're talking about.
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Another good idea, although it's a pain to wait: other rumors are that once the X2 comes out at the end of this year, the XBOX will lower in price

Originally posted by Sam Kenobi+Mar 26 2005, 04:44 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Sam Kenobi @ Mar 26 2005, 04:44 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-Grand Admiral Thrawn@Mar 25 2005, 12:26 PM
Rumored Games: Halo 3, Perfect Dark Zero, Kameo: Elements of Power, Dark Sector, The Elder Scrolls: Oblivion
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Oh my G-d! Is this a sequal to the Perfect Dark that was originally released by Nintendo!? One of the best games I've ever played!? Still!? Whose company was bought out (by either Microsoft or Electronic Arts, I don't remember)!? And there's going to be a sequal!? And it's coming to X-BOX!? HOLY SH!T! I've been saying that they need to make a sequal for years! This is absolutely great news!I have to buy one now. And with the posibility of multiplayer and such, OMG! I am now getting an X-BOX 2 the day that Perfect Dark comes out on it. (Halo 3 is cool to, but PERFECT FRIKIN' DARK!)
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My thoughts exactly. Perfect Dark for the N64 was one of the best Multiplayer games (besides N64's GoldenEye) of its time. It was like playing GoldenEye with a twist: A better variety of characters (including aliens), a heck-of-a better variety of weapons, and I loved Co-Op Mode. It was funny though how Perfect Dark took GoldenEye's "Temple" level and "Facility" which in Perfect Dark is named "Felicity" if I am not mistaken.
Although I am disappointed that it is not being released on the GC or NR, it is awesome that they are finally adding to the franchise.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>stormtrooper9 Posted Today, 02:20 PM
I was watching something on G4TechTV and they said that the NR is going to be backwards compatibal. [/b][/quote]

I certainly hope so! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/happydance.gif This was a MAJOR problem for Nintendo, not to mention GC's lack of being a DVD player. (which I didn't care about, but I know everyone else did)

~GAT

[darthimmus]

The PS2 has been my system of choice. The X-Box while it's supirior to the other consoles, the price is just too high for me. Gamecube has some of my favorite franchises (Zelda, Metroid), but Nintendo seems out of touch with what the cunsumers want from a gaming system. PS2 is right down the middle. Good price, good franchises (Smackdown!, Silent Hill) and basically the entire Playstation library at your diposal.

That said, I think PS2 games have hit a wall and are past due for an upgrade. The programers are getting more ambitious, but they always have to cut corners or make sacrifices to advance game play. For example, earlier verson of the Smackdown games would allow more charcters in the ring at one time. More recent versions allow far more in-ring options at the expense of the number of characters.

But that's just my 2 cents.

[BobPalpatine]

Originally posted by darthimmus@Mar 26 2005, 09:42 PM
The PS2 has been my system of choice. The X-Box while it's supirior to the other consoles, the price is just too high for me. Gamecube has some of my favorite franchises (Zelda, Metroid), but Nintendo seems out of touch with what the cunsumers want from a gaming system. PS2 is right down the middle. Good price, good franchises (Smackdown!, Silent Hill) and basically the entire Playstation library at your diposal.

That said, I think PS2 games have hit a wall and are past due for an upgrade. The programers are getting more ambitious, but they always have to cut corners or make sacrifices to advance game play. For example, earlier verson of the Smackdown games would allow more charcters in the ring at one time. More recent versions allow far more in-ring options at the expense of the number of characters.

But that's just my 2 cents.
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PS2 and Xbox are the same price.

[MXCABRINI]

anyidea of dates when they will be elesed?

[DarthAnakin]

Will X-Box 2 and PS3 come out roughly the same time?

[DarthAnakin]

Ok I just looked around and found out that they will probably come out the same time, I'll definitely go with the X-Box 2 in that case.

[jedi hunter]

My friend at school said the nintendo revolution was all touch screen is that is rumor,fact, or fiction?

[Rann]

Ugh touch screen style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/boxed.gif

I don't like the idea of having to sit 12 inches infront of my tv to play a game, that would probably hurt my eyes.

[Sam Kenobi]

I think Nintendo's done for. Then PS will die, leaving a monopoly of electronics with Microsoft. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thud.gif

[Darth Darthy]

The rumour is that Nintendos joypad will be a touch screen instead of having buttons. Supposedly this will allow developers do what they want with button layout. I can see a small area on the joypad being touch sensitive but not the whole thing, action buttons need to be responsive and have a reaction when they're pressed.

And the XBox2 is supposedly coming out this November in the UK.

[Rann]

Thank goodness I thought they wanted to make my tv a touch screen.

[jedi hunter]

I could careless about the other systems than the xbox 2... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[Vibroblade]

the NR will be both backword compatible and have on-line ability as well as having a hard drive per rumors recently posted on IGN....

[Filoviridae]

Too little too late...Nintendo is going the way of Sega.

[DarthAnakin]

Originally posted by Filoviridae@Apr 1 2005, 04:11 PM
Too little too late...Nintendo is going the way of Sega.
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Yeah GameCube was such a dissapointment

[empire21]

^When did this happen?

[Rann]

I think one of the Gamecube's biggest flaws was no online capability that and a very limited game selection, which lead to people liking the entire system and name brand less. I do however love my Gameboy SP with a firey passion style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif

[DarthAnakin]

Originally posted by empire21@Apr 1 2005, 04:44 PM
^When did this happen?
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You mean Game Cube sucking?

[Darth Darthy]

The problem with the Gamecube was the fact that it had no marketing whatsoever (a few commercials at launch is a pretty poor effort) and almost no FPS games to appeal to the western audience. It had enough games; just not as many crappy PS2 conversions as the Xbox was unfortunate enough to recieve.

And EA games suck. Pure and simple. Madden, FIFA, Sims - all suck. Let the PS3 have them. That's if EA can survive the next couple of years, looks like they might have outdone themselves this time. It's like the Vivindi fiasco all over again...

[Sam Kenobi]

Originally posted by Filoviridae@Apr 1 2005, 03:11 PM
Too little too late...Nintendo is going the way of Sega.
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Agreed.

Originally posted by Darth Darthy@Apr 1 2005, 06:59 PM
The problem with the Gamecube was the fact that it had no marketing whatsoever (a few commercials at launch is a pretty poor effort) and almost no FPS games to appeal to the western audience. It had enough games; just not as many crappy PS2 conversions as the Xbox was unfortunate enough to recieve.

And EA games suck. Pure and simple. Madden, FIFA, Sims - all suck. Let the PS3 have them. That's if EA can survive the next couple of years, looks like they might have outdone themselves this time. It's like the Vivindi fiasco all over again...
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I wouldn't say that. EA Sportsm as well as Maxis are very succesful. IMO, at least.

[MXCABRINI]

Yeah, EA have cool games like medal of Honor.

[Rann]

I like the Sims games but thats just me.

[Kapit]

i've been playing xbox a lot lately (friend next door has it) and i must say that i've been enjoying it. it will NEVER be a substitue for a PC (especially control-wise, i feel so restricted by the slow, non-twitchy joysitcks) but it is defintiely a good system. were it not for the price of everything combined i'd get one

[RebelRoss0587]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>the NR will be both backword compatible and have on-line ability as well as having a hard drive[/b][/quote]

If that's true, that's a lot better than it sounded. Nintendo has been around for so long, they have to have something big up their sleeve before they fall off the map. Anyway, I wonder which system will have the most Star Wars games...

[Vibroblade]

Here are some quotes from an article on IGN concerning the upcoming NR.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Q: What are Revolution's technical specs?

A: Currently unknown.

Rumors abound indicated that Nintendo could separately be working on two systems and that ultimately one would be chosen for retail. System 1 allegedly featured a 2.7GHz PowerPC G5 processor, 512MBs of RAM, and a 600MHz graphics chip. System 2 allegedly featured dual 1.8GHz PowerPC G5 processors. 256MBS of DDR Main Memory RAM, 128MBS of GDDR3 Video RAM and a 500MHz graphics chip. Both systems allegedly featured a built in 15GB hard drive. As of this time, these rumors cannot be validated.

More recent hearsay from development studios working closely with Nintendo suggest that Revolution's power is on track to compete with Microsoft's forthcoming successor to Xbox. Some studios have suggested that Revolution could be slightly underpowered when stacked side by side with Microsoft's next system, but that the differences would be marginal. Other sources maintain that the recently reported Xenon hardware specs exactly mimicked internal hardware documentation for Revolution. Again, none of this information can yet be validated.

In March 2005, both IBM and ATI confirmed that they have been making the CPU and GPU for Revolution respectively
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Q: Will Revolution go online?

A: Yes. The Revolution console will feature online play out of the box. Nintendo at the March 15, 2005 Game Developers Conference in San Francisco announced an aggressive new Wi-Fi strategy for both DS and Revolution. Wi-Fi enables wireless, high-speed connections to the Internet using such popular standards as 802.11b and 802.11g. Company executives made strong statements about Nintendo's belief that gamers should be able to wirelessly go online and play against each other.

"We intend to incorporate wireless technology in all we do," Iwata announced at the event. "Therefore, Nintendo Revolution will be Wi-Fi enabled, built into every system."

Few other details regarding Revolution's online functionality are known, but we can infer at least one important bit based on information announced about the nature of wireless play for DS. Nintendo announced that Wi-Fi gaming on DS would be free. In stark contrast to Microsoft's Xbox Live service, the Big N will not charge any fee for gamers to go online through its infrastructure. The same could be true for Revolution's wireless play.

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Q: Will Revolution be backward compatible?

A: Yes. At the March 2005 Game Developers Conference in San Francisco, Nintendo president Satoru Iwata confirmed that Revolution would be backward compatible.

"Contrary to much speculation, I can announce today that Revolution will be backward compatible. The best of the Nintendo GameCube library will still be enjoyed by players years from now," Iwata revealed.

The announcement was a surprise because analysts and media, IGN included, figured that Revolution's radically different new input device would make backward compatibility a near impossibility. Evidently Nintendo has found a way around this hurdle.

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[Sam Kenobi]

Well, that's certainly good news.

Anyone know if Sony is gonna be stupid and leave only two controller ports on the PS3, or are they actually gonna upgrade to four?

[mattypo]

Originally posted by Sam Kenobi@Apr 3 2005, 03:43 PM
Well, that's certainly good news.

Anyone know if Sony is gonna be stupid and leave only two controller ports on the PS3, or are they actually gonna upgrade to four?
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they'll probably only have two

i mean how else are they gonna sell multitaps style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/giveup.gif

[Emperor Palpatine]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>And EA games suck. Pure and simple. Madden, FIFA, Sims - all suck. Let the PS3 have them. That's if EA can survive the next couple of years, looks like they might have outdone themselves this time. It's like the Vivindi fiasco all over again...[/b][/quote]

Which is why I won't be buying any NFL games for a long time, seeing as EA bought the rights to make them exclusively.

[Kapit]

only good things from EA (IMO): NHL 2005 and Need For Speed Underground

i don't think nintendo is going to fall like sega, there's too many franchises to worry about. the continuous mario games, metroid, zelda, etc.

[Filoviridae]

Just because the system fails doesn't mean the game franchises will. Sega still produces games for the other consoles.

[Darth Darthy]

Nintendo won't fall at all. The Gameboy is the biggest selling console of all time, the DS has outsold the PSP and they still have Pokemon money coming out of their ears.

[BobPalpatine]

Originally posted by Darth Darthy@Apr 4 2005, 10:39 AM
Nintendo won't fall at all. The Gameboy is the biggest selling console of all time, the DS has outsold the PSP and they still have Pokemon money coming out of their ears.
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The DS is beating the PSP because the PSP only came out last week. Add the pricetag of it to it and of course the DS is going to be winning. Although I wouldn't bet on the DS winning for too long. I have both of them and the superior system is obviously the PSP. The 2 games I have for the PSP beat the 2 games I have for the DS hands down.

Plus the gameboy isn't considered a console. Consoles and handhelds are different markets. I wouldn't be too suprised to see Nintendo drop out of the console market if their next attempt fails. They will be in the handheld market for quite a while longer though.

[Darth Darthy]

Whether or not a handheld is a console or not is semantics - it's part of the console videogame market. I agree - the PSP is a superior games machine as far as graphics go but it's price tag limits it's audience. As far as games go though - neither have any real "killer apps".

Sega pulled out of the hardware business because they had to. They had no choice - they were almost bankrupt and could barely fund software development let alone hardware. Nintendo is a very different beast though - all of their profit losses have been down to the weak dollar and yen. With all that in mind, they still managed to make a profit last year because of all that Pokemon crap they keep pushing out.

Nintendo will suffer loosing their core supporters to the XBox2 if the rumors of them 'dumbing' down the joypad is true. Dumbing down games means less skill (ala Clone Wars and it's auto-targeting) and less satisfaction. All they need to do is fire the guy that gave us the Mario Sunshine button setup and we'll be okay. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

[Filoviridae]

Some new stuff about Xbox2 including some shots of the new controller and some cryptic messages from Ourcolony.net (http://www.ourcolony.net).

http://xbox.ign.com/articles/607/607265p1.html.

[Kapit]

i have to say i'm likin the look of the new xbox A LOT more than the old one, it's looks more like a game console and less like a shoebox

[Bretsch]

I'm inclining myself more and more towards the new Xbox

[Filoviridae]

If anyone is playing the xbox2 web campaign join up at colony #72854389. Someone else invited me to it and I joined up.

To enter, visit www.ourcolony.net (http://www.ourcolony.net) and enter 'play' into the field. Then find the Join a Colony link and enter the number. We need a couple more to progress in the game.

[Sam Kenobi]

/\ What is it?

[Kapit]

a "game" of sorts set up by microsoft that contains pictures of the xbox360. but the trick is that the pics are hidden in the site, and you have to use the page's source code and various clues posted on the site to find the pictures

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

After reading Electronic Gaming Monthly #192 (and also seeing previous posts) I was MOST RELIEVED when I found out that the NR will indeed be backwards compatible. I could care less about the Online capabilities. As I have said before: "I like the good ol' fashion 'invite-your-friends-over-and-play' method better" or the "just-play-by-yourself" method style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif .

Although I have had my doubts (just this passed year infact) about Nintendo, I am sticking with them. Oddly enough, I have the strangest feeling that because it is so impossible and incredible, Nintendo will probably return to being the highest ranking video game company in the future.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>XBOX 2 will be released late this year and PS3 and NR will be released in 2006[/b][/quote]
This quote is from the Electronic Gaming Monthly magazine.

Nintendo Executive Vice President Reggie Fils-Aime says that they are planning a grand release for the Revolution, supposedly featuring all new installments of Mario, Legend of Zelda, and Metroid all on the opening day.

Nintendo is learning from their mistakes, if you ask me.
Although it would be neat, I could care less whether they make it a DVD player
or not (which they most likely will not). I like Nintendo's costumer-friendly prices, and I want them to stay that way.

Reggie Fils-Aime said, after admitting the hideousness of the GC's outward appearance, that the Nintendo Revolution console "will be a very sexy device".*
<span style="font-size:8pt;line-height:100%">*Quoted from Electronic Gaming Monthly Magazine #192</span>


HANDHELD CONSOLE NEWS:
Reggie Fils-Aime also hinted about a next installment in the GAME BOY series.
I'm not one for handheld consoles (to me, the only thing they are good for is long car trips) but I thought that would interest those here who are handheld fans.

Also, later this year Nintendo will "launch a free service that enables you to play online-compatible [Nintendo] DS titles via Wi-Fi hot spots."* Rumored games are Mario Kart and Animal Crossing, plus Nintendo President Satoru Iwata promised that they will release a groundbreaking new title for the online mode
<span style="font-size:8pt;line-height:100%">*Quoted from Electronic Gaming Monthly Magazine #192</span>

[Sam Kenobi]

Well this is certainly good news, about the release dates. My walet will have time to recover.

I hope Nintendo gets things back together again. Honestly, Gamecube was the first system I bought, and I don't even think I've played it in a year.

[Sam Kenobi]

From Filoviridae, in the X-Box / Halo 2 thread. Thanks!

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/608/608394p1.html

Originally posted by Sam Kenobi@May 11 2005, 04:27 AM
Awesome FAQ! Here's my favorite part:

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:100%">Games/Software</span>

<span style="font-size:36pt;line-height:100%">What companies are signed on for Xbox 360 titles?</span>

Among the publishers are all the biggest players, as well as a number of smaller houses which have already committed to the next generation, and are showing plenty of promise. They are:

2K Games
Activision
Atari
Bandai
Bethesda Softworks
Buena Vista Games
Capcom
Codemasters
Eidos
Electronic Arts
FromSoftware
InterServ International
KOEI
Konami
LucasArts
Majesco
Midway Games
Namco
Phantagram
Rockstar Games
SCi Games
SEGA
Tecmo
THQ
TWP
Ubisoft
Vivendi Universal Games
Webzen


Microsoft also has a strong lineup of developers set to create exclusive titles for the new Xbox system:

BioWare
Bizarre Creations
Bungie Studios
Epic Games
FASA Studio
Lionhead Studios
Rare
Yoshiki Okamoto's Game Republic
Hironobu Sakaguchi's Mistwalker
Tetsuya Mizuguchi's Q Entertainment

<span style="font-size:36pt;line-height:100%">What titles are expected at launch?</span>

Nothing has officially been announced, so even if we did have a definite lineup it couldn't be posted. However, there are a few standbys that appear at almost every console launch. The genres that should be covered are football, racing, an FPS, and a killer app. Judging by commercials shown during the draft, it looks like EA has Madden Next-Gen ready to come down the barrel. From images released on Ourcolony.net we are almost positive that Project Gotham Racing 3 will also be available.

It is hard to imagine the launch of Xbox 360 without Halo making an appearance in some form. Whether this is the third installment of the series or an upgraded Halo 2 project is anyone's guess. There are also a number of developers under Microsoft's belt that have been mysteriously quiet recently. One can only hope this means some surprise titles like a Perfect Dark sequel.

So, LucasArts will be there. Kinda like a sigh of relief, although I'm sure it's pretty obvious to everyone else. Rockstar and THQ always make quality games. And poor sega is reduced to this, now. It was obvious that Bungie and Halo will be back, and I am really excited to see Rare again. I really, really hope to see a Perfect Dark Sequel. I have been saying that ever since the first one.
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[Darth Darthy]

You've probably seen it b now but just in case you haven't:

XBOX360.

[Kapit]

definitely A LOT more attractive than the last xbox

[Darth Darthy]

That's probably because the XBox is the ugliest console known to man. Not sure about this one either though.

[Bretsch]

It's a little bit apple'ish with out achieving it. I hate when companys try to imitate instead of innovate. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

[Sam Kenobi]

Well, if the info in that FAQ is correct, then this thing is gonna be the sh!t!

[Filoviridae]

At least it's not a complete brick like its predecessor. That's one thing Nintendo did right even if it did sacrifice options. It looks like the Xbox 360 will be almost totally wireless...a decision I'm undecided about.

I'm stoked about Sakaguchi's game...his support will be just like having Square Enix games on the box even if they choose not to develop for it. The Xbox has been lacking in good RPG games until recently and I was always a fan of the FF series. I just finished Bioware's Jade Empire and it was just as good as the first KOTOR if not better. I would definitely recommend it to any of you needing a good RPG fix. This one is probably a solid 35-40 hour game unlike the short but sweet Fable.

The PS2 had no shortage of RPG's which is good in my eyes but not quite enough to get me to purchase the system.

[Sam Kenobi]

Well, let's just say that I have decided my birthday and holiday's for the next few years.

[MasterKyobi9d9]

So the time has come for the Next Generation Consoles. Which will be better? The Xbox 360? or maybe the PS3? Both are backward compatible (means they can play the previous systems' games) and are going to have the best Graphics Cards and Memory Units yet. Which one do you think will be better? Which one are you looking forward to the most? What games will be released? This thread is all about ,the just officially announced, Microsofts' Xbox 360 and Sonys' Playstation 3!
Go to http://xbox360.ign.com/
and http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/05/16/news_6124681.html
for more info.

[empire21]

The xbox will be better, but I'll get them both because i'm greedy and want everything.

[darthimmus]

Some of those PS3 preview videos looked amazing

[MasterKyobi9d9]

I agree. PS3 looks like its doing better than Xbox 360 right now. But look at this crazy new PS3 controller!

Be sure to check www.ign.com for up to the minute updates!

[MXCABRINI]

I like the PS3 alot, but that controller look horrible!

I still be getting the PS3 maybe...

[Virus]

Xbox sure is slapping their customers of the first Xbox in the face by putting out a new system only 4 years later. Plus they have rushed this system and I'm positive it will be inferior to the PS3 and will definitely have its bugs. Althought Playstation is a fool not to release this system in time for Xmas.

[Filoviridae]

I'll be getting the Xbox but after the price drops a bit. I was disappointed in the PS2 compared to even the GC so I will not be getting a PS3 unless it shows some significant advantages in system and game quality versus the other two. With once Sony-only developers joining MS I don't think there will be enough exclusive titles to pull my attention away from the 360 which already has some great titles lined up for it.

[empire21]

That PS3 controller doesn't look like it would be comfortable to handle.

[Kapit]

the xbox360 is already better than the PS3, there's much more functionality available in the 360

once the price goes down, i think i'll be getting an xbox as well

[Super_Milk_Chan]

I'll most likely buy all the console (Nintendo to Sony and what not) But the Xbox 360 looks hella ugly. And I hope that PS3 contoller is a joke, their last controller was perfect in every way. If you were to just put it in your hands you could easily get the controls down in no time. As for backward compatibilty I really don't care for that. I never played PSone games after the PS2 came out.

[mattypo]

Originally posted by empire21@May 17 2005, 11:37 AM
That PS3 controller doesn't look like it would be comfortable to handle.
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hey at least if you threw it across the room when anyoed with a game it'll come right back to you style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue2.gif

[Super_Milk_Chan]

^ LOL!!

[JediJaina]

Guys start using the search engine please. Threads merged.

[MXCABRINI]

Originally posted by JediKaputski@May 17 2005, 07:09 AM
the xbox360 is already better than the PS3, there's much more functionality available in the 360

once the price goes down, i think i'll be getting an xbox as well
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yeah, but the Xbox is coming out earlier than the PS3, and Im almost sure SOny will make changes to make ti better when they see the complete Xbox functions...

[Rann]

Originally posted by Super_Milk_Chan@May 17 2005, 10:31 AM
I'll most likely buy all the console (Nintendo to Sony and what not) But the Xbox 360 looks hella ugly. And I hope that PS3 contoller is a joke, their last controller was perfect in every way. If you were to just put it in your hands you could easily get the controls down in no time. As for backward compatibilty I really don't care for that. I never played PSone games after the PS2 came out.
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Ugly? I like the way it looks. Maybe I'm just crazy style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ohwell.gif

[MasterKyobi9d9]

XBox 360 doesnt have to many great Launch titles as PS3 does.

[mattypo]

Originally posted by MasterKyobi9d9@May 18 2005, 02:44 AM
XBox 360 doesnt have to many great Launch titles as PS3 does.
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*cough* perfect dark zero *cough*

[mattypo]

talkin bout a revolution weeel you know..............
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[BobPalpatine]

Originally posted by MasterKyobi9d9@May 17 2005, 08:44 PM
XBox 360 doesnt have to many great Launch titles as PS3 does.
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How do you know? Neither of them have released all their launch titles yet have they?

[Super_Milk_Chan]

Originally posted by mattypo+May 17 2005, 07:57 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(mattypo @ May 17 2005, 07:57 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-MasterKyobi9d9@May 18 2005, 02:44 AM
XBox 360 doesnt have to many great Launch titles as PS3 does.
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*cough* perfect dark zero *cough*
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That game better be worth it, Rare hasn't made a good game in over 5 years. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/banghead.gif

[Darth Darthy]

The Revolution doesn't appear to be wireless; the control ports are on top of it. Which is a bit silly. Come on Nintendo - don't screw it up!

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

On the contrary, Nintendo Revolution will indeed "revolutionize" Nintendo.
I recieved my first "Nintendo E3" newsletter this morning and was incredibly
amazed by the new look and awesome new features for this new "sleek and
sexy" looking machine.

From the Newsletter and Nintendo.com
Nintendo made big waves at its annual pre-E3 press conference by revealing new details about its highly anticipated console, code-name Revolution. Expressing a strategy designed to attract more kinds of gamers to more kinds of games, Nintendo announced that Revolution will be arriving in 2006 and promised that everyone will discover the meaning of "All-Access Gaming."

Here are just a few of Revolution's key features that tantalized the crowd at the press conference:


Sophisticated Design. The new console is approximately the size of three standard DVD cases stacked together, and it was displayed in a variety of prototype colors at E3. The console will come with a sleek silver stand allowing it to be displayed vertically or horizontally.
Backward Compatibility. Revolution will play all of your favorite Nintendo GameCube games. An innovative self-loading media bay will play both 12-centimeter optical discs used for the new system as well as Nintendo GameCube discs. You can also equip a small, self-contained attachment to play movies and other DVD content.
Huge Historic Library. Revolution will have downloadable access to 20 years of fan-favorite titles originally released for Nintendo 64, the Super Nintendo Entertainment System (SNES) and even the Nintendo Entertainment System (NES).
Big Names. Nintendo announced that new franchise properties will be added to current super-star franchises including Mario, Zelda, Super Smash Bros., Donkey Kong and Metroid.
Wi-Fi Freedom. A worldwide network of Nintendo players can gather to compete in a comfortable, inviting environment using Nintendo's newly announced wireless gaming service, Nintendo Wi-Fi Connection.


here's a few more pictures:

[Otis_Frampton]

The Revolution looks like a MUCH better platform than the Gamecube.

The Gamecube seems like an "in-between" system to me now. The bad system in between two good ones.

Can't wait to see what Mario looks and plays like on the Rev.

-Otis

[mattypo]

Originally posted by Darth Darthy@May 18 2005, 11:48 AM
The Revolution doesn't appear to be wireless; the control ports are on top of it. Which is a bit silly. Come on Nintendo - don't screw it up!
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apparently the revolution controlers are wireless,

those ports are for gamecube controllers

and maybe for those who can't afford batteries style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif

[Rann]

I thought Perfect Dark was coming out for both Xbox360 and Nintendo Revolution.

[Col. Vefalu]

Originally posted by Rann@May 18 2005, 04:08 PM
I thought Perfect Dark was coming out for both Xbox360 and Nintendo Revolution.
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So did I, but apparently Rare was sold to Microsoft and you know what that means. I was so looking forward to another Perfect Dark title, too...

[darthimmus]

The Ninendo might be worth it just for the old school library!

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

Originally posted by Col. Vefalu+May 18 2005, 04:41 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Col. Vefalu @ May 18 2005, 04:41 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-Rann@May 18 2005, 04:08 PM
I thought Perfect Dark was coming out for both Xbox360 and Nintendo Revolution.
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So did I, but apparently Rare was sold to Microsoft and you know what that means. I was so looking forward to another Perfect Dark title, too...
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I, too, was very mad when I found out that Rare sold Perfect Dark to Microsoft.
Ever since the GameCube came out I have been waiting for a sequel style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif

[BobPalpatine]

Originally posted by Grand Admiral Thrawn+May 19 2005, 02:14 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Grand Admiral Thrawn @ May 19 2005, 02:14 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'>Originally posted by Col. Vefalu@May 18 2005, 04:41 PM
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So did I, but apparently Rare was sold to Microsoft and you know what that means. I was so looking forward to another Perfect Dark title, too...
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I, too, was very mad when I found out that Rare sold Perfect Dark to Microsoft.
Ever since the GameCube came out I have been waiting for a sequel style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif
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Where have you guys been? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif Rare was sold to Microsoft awhile ago.

[QuigonWindu]

I'm looking forward to Revolution most, because I can download ALL the old games.


SWEET.

[Filoviridae]

This next generation is going to be tough. I admit I'll have to wait to see who delivers best before I buy. The Xbox has the games I'm most interested in so far...without quality games a console is worthless no matter how much power or bells and whistles it has.

I have to say I'm disappointed in Nintendo's decision to link the DS and the Revolution. One of the *MOST* annoying things about some of the GC games is that you pretty much miss out on part of them if you don't have a GBA to link up to it. Even though I have a GBA I don't appreciate having built in advertisements for other hardware while I'm playing a game.

I haven't read up on it but I hope Sony isn't planning on doing something similar with the PSP. That would be a definite thumbs down for me. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/pinch.gif

[Kapit]

from what i've seen, seems like PS3 has the hardware power, xbox360 has the community, and revolution has the old school market

i tried to keep up with the G4 coverage inbetween work, and nintendo has been incredibly tight-lipped about the controller. only things we know is that it is wireless and it'll have to incorporate ALL nintendo controllers

looks-wise, i think the nintendo revolution is the best looking one. the xbox looks like an ipod and the PS3 looks like a fax machine with a boomerang. oh well

[Virus]

I hate how Nintendo only relies on its old games to pull it thru. Nothing new just the same junk reprocessed.

PS3 has this won already for me. They have the strongest chipset and I can't wait to buy an HDTV and use the DVI port on it for my PS3....mmmm, HD style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[Darth Darthy]

And you can play such original titles such as Metal Gear Solid 4 and FIFA 2009.

[Virus]

Sports games are different and deserve a new edition every year and I only played MGS 1 and 2.

Nintendo needs to hang up the gloves and call it quits. They should do what Atari and Sega have done and just make games.

[Darth Darthy]

Those were just a few examples. Besides, every console has their franchises.
Why should they call it quits? They make plenty of money and there are plenty of people who are looking forward to a new Nintendo. The fact is, Nintendo are the best game developers in the world and if I need to buy Nintendo hardware to play their games then I will.

[Kapit]

from what i've heard and seen, people are more interested in the revolution than in the 360

i think nintendo is going to do something this time around. really, they have to. yeah, they've got dedicated fans and all, but it's quite obvious that they're falling behind

[Darth Darthy]

Their strategy has changed. Supposedly, the Revolution won't be out until spring '07 now. Which may or may not work in their favour. The other 2 will fight it out at the begining of '06 and if it's not out for another year then Nintendo won't be involved in that fight. Also, if they give themselves and developers (in theory the hardware could be finalised almost one year from now) that amount of time to create some good stuff then who knows what will happen? Will people buy another console only a year after they bought a PS3 or XBOX360?

I'd like to think it's a brilliant move. Forgoe this 3rd generation fight, give your developers and yourself space to create some launch titles and be cheap enough for those who already bought a next gen console that they won't mind paying for another. This strategy has never been tried before in the market and it's bold enough that it might just work.

[Rann]

It's a good strategy. All Nintendo really needs are some good games to back up their new console and they should be fine.

[jedi hunter]

Nintendo still rules the handheld market why should the call it quits maybe they should stop on the consoles if this one doesnt do good.

[jedi hunter]

I also think the x-box 360 has the upperhand right now with a end of 05 launch.

[Rann]

Not sure but I think the PSP is doing very well, so Nintendo will need to watch out, the handheld market is getting more competitive.

[jedi hunter]

But the nintendo has two handheld systems the GB should never die no matter how popular the psp is.

[rockawilly]

I have a question, and my friends I look to you for aid...

I own an older ps2, and it doesn't want to play blue discs. Which is a nightmare, because Star Wars Lego was the best game I've played in ages.

My problem?

Do I buy a slim ps2 (does it help with the not reading disc issue if it isn't tray loaded), or do I wait and buy a ps3. Does anyone know if it's reverse compatible?

Any help you could offer is greatly appreciated.

[Galahad_Skywalker]

^I've heard the PS3 is supposed to be completely backwards compatible. The XBox 360 is only supposed to be selectively compatible. As to buying a new PS2 or waiting for PS3, decide if the new console has what you want, and if it does, wait until next spring if you feel like you can.

What I'd like to know is when is Microsoft going to give us more information on compatibility, pricing, and movie support. If the new XBox will support San Andreas and the KOTOR games at least, and will have DVD playback, I'll hold out from converting to XBox until November.

[Filoviridae]

Sounds like they're using some sort of title specific emulation. They'll probably start with the big ones being 'preinstalled' and maybe provide more later on via XBL. My guess anyway...

[darthimmus]

So I guess this solves some mysteries
http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/08/17/news_6131245.html

[Starhorse]

Personally I think I'll hold out for the ColecoVision 360!

[Seanakin]

Me, I figure I'm just gonna enjoy my Xbox for the next three years, then, and ONLY then, upgrade. By then the prices should be more agreeable and I can buy more new titles at once.

So I guess I'm not a very progressive gaming geek. And if that makes me the anti-Blake, so be it. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif

[Filoviridae]

Dude you're just not a 1337 h4x0r that's all style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

Nah...I'm with you. I'll wait for the prices to drop before I get anything. Speaking of prices, the old guys at 2old2play.com wrote this up about the Xbox 180's prices between models and the PS3: http://www.2old2play.com/modules.php?name=...=article&sid=96 (http://www.2old2play.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=96)

[Seanakin]

Concerning the rivalry between these two platforms per se, that take is spot on, as the Brits would say.

Unfortunately, Mr. Softy is less hardware-oriented than Sony, and given that operating margins are MUCH lower on the hardware end, I suspect they like it that way.

I mean, when I think of MSFT dabbling in hardware, I think of Joe Gibbs quitting the Washington Redskins to go do NASCAR. No, better yet, I think of Michael Jordan taking up baseball upon his (first) retirement. XBox isn't their bread-and-butter, nor will it rock the proverbial boat if they screw things up with the XBox 360. Now, Windows Vista, that's a different story. But given that this new generation of consoles will be around a few years, I'm content to wait and see if Mr. Softy decides to make a post-release improvement or two. Which, of course, has been their modus operandi for software releases for the last 30 years. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif

[Filoviridae]

It's been their MO for the Xbox too if you take into account the many Live service updates. That's what I'm interested in...Is this going to be a hardware war or a software? I mean really, if they all perform similarly, the fight will be in the apps not the guts. So far the title line up for the 360 is looking good with FF and Perfect Dark moving over plus the inevitable sequels to the hits like Halo. Plus you have to factor in the online community for some gamers. MS definitely has a head start in that area.

[Virus]

I kinda feel like Microsoft is slapping their Xbox users in the face by releasing the next generation console too soon. Xbox easily has another year under its belt. I think they got nervous over these new consoles and saw how PS2 dominated in sales basically because it had the head start, and not to due technology.

[Filoviridae]

I agree that the Xbox probably had another year in it. PS3 is rumored to be out March '06 and Nintendo just says '06 "around the same time as competitors". MS could have waited until November '06 and not have been late. To me, the jumpstart Sony had resulted in an inferior console so I hope the Xbox doesn't suffer from that.

From what I've heard about the Revolution and the recent DS release...I'm not too excited about Nintendo's offerings. (I thought the DS was retarded concept...no offense to those that own one;) Although the ability to download old NES, SNES, and 64 games is a plus...not to mention a rumored price range sub $200.

[Darth Darthy]

The fact that we can play some of Nintendos old retro games is what has really sold the Revolution to me. I would have always stuck with Nintendo anyway (guess I'm a fanboy) but the thought of playing Super Mario Kart again with such ease (not enough room for all my Nintendos under the TV and the girlfriend hates all the wires) fills me with great joy.
The fact is, there are no longer just one or two great games published a year - there are around 20 and all are on a different platform. Just happens that Nintendo still do that gameplay thing the best imo. Anyone who bemoans them for being childish is making a very ironic statement indeed.

[T-bone]

Retro games rock.

[Anguirus111]

Viva la Revolucion!

[Virus]

so the Revolution will have the ability to play old NES and SNES games....why not just use your old consoles or buy one from eBay for $10?

[Anguirus111]

So it's all on one console less hassle that way.

That and there's a strong possibility Nintendo will bring games over to the US via the online scene that were never before released over here. I really want to play the original Fire Emblem and Mother 2.

Oh yeah and Sega said they'd look into it and see about releasing their old games over the Revolution as well. If they jump onboard it's a sure bet other developers will do it as well.

And could you imagine owning ever Zelda game on one console? One of my co-workers said he'd buy the system just for that opportunity.

[Filoviridae]

Heheh...I have that promo Zelda disc with the NES and Ocarina for GC. It's pretty fun.

[Filoviridae]

Core-Tard!

http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/?t=archives&date=2005-09-14

[Virus]

I think thats kinda sad of Nintendo that they are now relying on past games to help sales. Way to look at the future. Not to mention that they will probably release a new version of Mario, Mario Kart, Zelda, and Metroid. Yawnnnn

[Anguirus111]

It's called a perk.

And you're about to witness a Revolution so be prepared.

9/15/05 the day Gaming History changes forever. Kudos if you know what I'm talking about.

[Virus]

Thats if the Revolution ever happens.

[Kapit]

it's supposed to this weekend in tokyo....

[DonSwoosh]

Concerning the Revolution, has anyone seen the controller for the Revolution over at ign.com? Talk about bold!

I don't even know what to say.

[Anguirus111]

It's today and here it is:

And Revolutionary it is.

[Anguirus111]

I'm excited, it's gonna be awesome.

[BobPalpatine]

It's going to bomb...bad.

Nintendo has stopped being a core gaming machine a while ago. The only people who still like Nintendo are fan boys. I hate to say it, but they have no support anymore. They are eventually going to go the way of Sega and only start producing software.

They'll have a grasp on the handheld market for a while longer. Although I can see Sony start gaining strength soon.

[Kapit]

that controller is.....odd.....definitely going to take a lot of getting used to.....a lot

[Anguirus111]

This still hasn't changed my decision to be outside of my local electronics store for hours on end when this system comes out so I can buy it when it's released. If anything it's strengthened it I just hope the games are there to back up its potential.

[Kapit]

well, i may not like the way the controller looks, but im reading some of this stuff on IGN about it....seems pretty cool, and yes, it is a revolution

[Virus]

Originally posted by BobPalpatine@Sep 15 2005, 11:50 PM
It's going to bomb...bad.

Nintendo has stopped being a core gaming machine a while ago. The only people who still like Nintendo are fan boys. I hate to say it, but they have no support anymore. They are eventually going to go the way of Sega and only start producing software.

They'll have a grasp on the handheld market for a while longer. Although I can see Sony start gaining strength soon.
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I couldn't agree more. When Sony Playstation came out, it blew away Sega and Nintendo. The last good system from Nintendo was the N64 and even that wasn't outstanding.

As for that controller, no way will that fly for gamers. What were they thinking!?!? What if in the middle of the game I wanna drink something or put a pretzel in my mouth? Poor poor design.

When is this thing suppose to come out? I've heard late 2006

[mattypo]

Originally posted by Virus@Sep 16 2005, 05:34 AM
As for that controller, no way will that fly for gamers. What were they thinking!?!? What if in the middle of the game I wanna drink something or put a pretzel in my mouth? Poor poor design.

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the two handed thingy with the analogue stick isn't the actual controler just the sqaure remote control looking part, the analogue stick is an add on to help with control for an FPS

the controler itself is pretty cool you move it around like a pointer in 3d space so there is no need for an analogue stick.

and it can be flipped on its side like an nes pad.

there are some better pics here (http://media.cube.ign.com/articles/651/651275/imgs_1.html)

[Filoviridae]

Hmph. Looks like my tv remote plugged into a vibrator.

I think they've moved away from clean function just to make something different looking. In my opinion the Xbox controller S is pretty close to perfect.

Nintendo has been moving down the path of "Huh that's kinda neat...meh". The DS is a perfect example. I played one a few days ago...sort of the equivalent of Nice Place to Visit but Wouldn't Want to Live There. The concepts are interesting just because they're different but that only lasts for about 15 minutes.

Thanks...I'll take function over form any day.

[Anguirus111]

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That's what The Revolution is, function over form. It's taking gaming in a completely new direction by making it more immersive and interactive which is what I've been waiting for. Lately I've been playing my videogames less and less and I see the Revolution as being something to finally spark my interest in playing again.

And everyone here needs to say the video they showed at TGS that's available at IGN detailing the controller's functions, the possibilities literally are endless.

[Kapit]

Originally posted by Anguirus111@Sep 16 2005, 12:42 PM
And everyone here needs to say the video they showed at TGS that's available at IGN detailing the controller's functions, the possibilities literally are endless.
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oh yeah, i watched that video last night! pretty freakin sweet! swordfighting w/ a controller? AWESOME

[Filoviridae]

To me it's just fugly for fugly's sake. Looks more cumbersome than functional. I'm sure I'll give it a shot eventually but the Revolution is running last place on my list so far.

[Starhorse]

Man, they're gonna have to be some pretty awsome games for that to get anyones attention. I don't know what the hell they're thinking with that thing.

[Filoviridae]

Have a look at this...it's another add on for the Rev controller:








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[Alhon]

First time i've ever seen it... and I don't know what to say.

[Super_Milk_Chan]

The PS3 controller looks better than the Rev. controller right now. that's how bad it is.

[Anguirus111]

This system is going to be the greatest innovation to gaming since the Nintendo Entertainment System. It is designed to immerse you in a game in a way that hasn't possible on a console. This time, you are the game, you're the one swinging the sword, you're the one driving the car, you're the one shooting the gun, etc. as opposed to just feeling like you're controlling someone who's doing these actions.

That is what the Revolution is about, to give you an experience in gaming that you have never felt before. And unfortunately since gaming hasn't really been advancing very far towards this stage, though Nintendo did start with the Rumble Pack, and since Nintendo is making such a huge leap forward, naturally it is going to initially frighten people off. But once the system becomes playable and once people realize just what you can do with it, I have no doubt it'll become much more succesful than any of their previous systems.

The Revolution is the future of gaming because rather than give you the same thing with better graphics, they're giving you an entirely new experience. This is the first time I've ever felt excited about a connsole, before it was the games, but now it's a Revolution.

[Super_Milk_Chan]

I'm going to buy the Rev. and the PS3 for sure. (The 360 can go piss off for all I care-Microsoft doesn't care about gamers.) But I'm not happy with the design of the Rev. controller, not enough buttons.

[mattypo]

Originally posted by Filoviridae@Sep 16 2005, 09:17 PM
Have a look at this...it's another add on for the Rev controller:








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man i havn't seen that thing since the wizard

[Super_Milk_Chan]

Is that the analong thing?

[Super_Milk_Chan]

Cuz I can't see it.

[Darth Darthy]

Oooh, the Powerglove™!!! What an innovation that was! Now try and find the G-Force - that was a true piece of pointless crap.

[Super_Milk_Chan]

G-Force?

[Kapit]

for those annoyed w/ the revolution controller:

http://www.revolutionreport.com/articles/read/101



<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>TGS 2005: Merrick Confirms a "classic-style" Controller
by Aaron Canaday and Shawn White (09/16/05)


In a recent interview, Nintendo of Europe’s senior director of Marketing Jim Merrick divulged various details concerning the Revolution’s controller, game interaction, and the winner of the next-gen cycle, among other topics.

Foremost, Merrick attacked the question of controlling older games. Apparently Nintendo is “producing a classic-style expansion controller, based on traditional designs like the GameCube controller. It’s like a shell with a hole in the top into which you slot the freehand-style controller, and then you can play third-party ported games, and retro Nintendo games you’ve downloaded.”

Next came the question of how the controller would feel during actual play. “It’s designed to make you fell like moving around is easy and natural. For years we’ve been moving backwards and forwards with our thumbs, but now all that’s going to change.” The marketing director then offers an analogy, saying “it’s as natural as putting our hand out of the car window when you’re a kid and moving it through the air like a plane. Well, now you might have a flying game where instead of using your thumbs, you’re actually tilting the controller to fly the plane.”

Concerning the controller’s development duration, Merrick stated that “it’s a difficult thing to pin down... really started seeing references maybe a year ago.” As for whether or not the current model is finished product or not, the European director asserted that “it’s nearly finished,” and that they’ve “got time to make a few refinements, but fundamentally it’s complete.”

When questioned on the lack of software presences, Merrick testifies that Nintendo “went to great pains not to show the software [at the show] because [they] didn’t want to detract from what [they] are trying to show. [Nintendo is] talking about a fundamental change to how we see games and how we play games, and [the company] didn’t want to get hung up on polygon counts.”

As for when the public can expect to finally obtain the opportunity to test the controllers, Merrick simply stated, “put it this way. Without a commitment, I went to E3 2006 nd didn’t end up playing the Revolution, I’d be very disappointed…”

Merrick was also quick to point out that Nintendo’s approach is not meant to alienate the hardcore gamers, but instead cater to every person. As an example, Merrick stated that “the first person shooter genre is very important and…the nunchuck-style controller will change the way you think about FPS games.”

For onlookers worried about the Revolution’s interaction with different televisions, Merrick assured that “it works with LCD’s, plasms screens, projectors…Everything…this isn’t working on a scan line basis,, so there are no issue there.”

On a final note, Merrick states his confidence in Nintendo’s market position in the next generation. “It could certainly make us market leader,” Merrick said. “The Revolution has the potential to appeal to new groups of consumers we’ve previously been unable to reach. It also has appeal for hardcore gamers, and the ability to bring a lot of people back to gaming.”

Revolution Report will have more details from Nintendo on Revolution and its unique controller as the Tokyo Game Show presses onward.

For a full transcript of the interview, click here[/quote]

[Anguirus111]

I'm just grateful Nintendo went all out with it's promise of bringing something new to the floor in regards to gaming. I would've been pissed if they went half-way and then chickened out at the end with a GCN-esque controller that simply has a gyro-scoping ball in it.

[Kapit]

more on the classic cradle/shell for the remote.

http://cube.ign.com/articles/651/651559p1.html



IGN created a mock-up. remember, this isn't the real thing, just a picture based on what they've been told

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[billytheskink]

Controllers have gone way down hill since the second Sega Saturn controller.

A d-pad and 6 buttons on the top is perfection, especially if you play button-smashing games.

[Rann]

Originally posted by Anguirus111@Sep 16 2005, 04:16 PM
The Revolution is the future of gaming because rather than give you the same thing with better graphics, they're giving you an entirely new experience.
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I don't know about that, I mean really haven't they just been re-releasing old games over and over again? Not that that is a bad thing, but they haven't really drifted to far from their base, Mario, Zelda, Metriod, Donkey Kong, etc. I would personnally like to see them branch out into new genres.

[Anguirus111]

I think Nintendo will be branching out into new genres like the FPS shooter for instance that hasn't really been seen in a Nintendo game since Duck Hunt. Metroid Prime is close but Nintendo didn't really 'make' it, Retro did. Their Rev. video showed an individual 'playing' a shooter so I see Nintendo doing something with that area.

But it's not so much what you play but how you play it.

[Darth Darthy]

Originally posted by billytheskink@Sep 17 2005, 03:53 PM
Controllers have gone way down hill since the second Sega Saturn controller.

A d-pad and 6 buttons on the top is perfection, especially if you play button-smashing games.
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Erm, Sega had to redesign that because it was too chunky and crap.

Nintendo created every single innovation within the Joypad market. D-pad, anologue stick, shoulder buttons, rumble, wavebird etc. and I don't think they're gonna fail this time. As far as I'm concerned this is pure brilliance. It can be a joypad but it wants to be so much more. And it'll work. I can't wait to play Metroid 3 or Duke Nukem Forever and Super Monkey Ball 3 with this thing. I'm mean christ, just the thought gives me jelly legs! Monkey Target's gonna be soooo cool!

[Darth Darthy]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v385/DarthDarthy/RevDuke.jpg

"Time to kick ass and chew bubble gum. And I'm all outta batteries."

[Kapit]

yay for nintendo:

http://gamesfirst.com/?id=682

[Virus]

One of my biggest concerns with these consoles is how they will do on DLP, LCD and LCOS HDTVs. I'm in the market to buy an HDTV and I really want these games to blow me away on such an amazing screen.

[Anguirus111]

Right now I prefer gameplay>graphics. Like I said back in the E3 2005 thread, I'm tired of playing games with the same gameplay mechanics but with better graphics. This is why I'm glad Nintendo went the route of increasing playability to that of an arcade-style feel. I still love arcades but I never go anymore, hopefully the Revolution will remind of why I enjoyed them in the first place, because of their immersiveness.

EDIT:

I was on other messageboards and they were constantly talking about how awesome a SW Jedi Knight style game would be on the Revolution and I have to agree. It would be awesome being able to use your controller as the lightsaber handle and swing your lightsaber around to block and parry as well as swing forward and defeat your opponent. I hope Lucasarts imagines this possibility as well because a game like this could do very well on Revolution if done properly.

[Filoviridae]

http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=165

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I shudder to think of an FPS with that...thing.

[Kapit]

Originally posted by Filoviridae@Sep 19 2005, 03:28 PM
http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=165

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I shudder to think of an FPS with that...thing.
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personally, i can't wait to play an FPS with that "thing" seems like it'll be a lot easier to use than just a simple joystick. what would be even better is if you could attach it to your head, that way, wherever you look, the game looks

[Anguirus111]

Yeah I can't wait too. I'll definitely buy a good FPS game for the Revolution which will be my first FPS purchase on a console since Goldeneye.

[Kapit]

revo controller love:

http://www.revolutionreport.com/articles/read/109

[Filoviridae]

Here's a recent article comparing the 3 contenders:

http://arstechnica.com/articles/paedia/har.../revolution.ars (http://arstechnica.com/articles/paedia/hardware/revolution.ars)

[Kapit]

the more i read, the more im convinced the revolution is the only console that'll actual do anything new

[Rann]

Originally posted by JediKaputski@Sep 19 2005, 04:19 PM
personally, i can't wait to play an FPS with that "thing" seems like it'll be a lot easier to use than just a simple joystick. what would be even better is if you could attach it to your head, that way, wherever you look, the game looks
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Well, it's different to say the least, but I don't think it's much of an improvement. It's almost like they broke a regular controller in half just so they could sell the other half to you. As for playing an FPS game with it, I think it'll make you look and feel like a moron, but who knows maybe it will be the new gaming sensation.

[Kapit]

Originally posted by Rann@Nov 5 2005, 01:42 PM
Well, it's different to say the least, but I don't think it's much of an improvement. It's almost like they broke a regular controller in half just so they could sell the other half to you. As for playing an FPS game with it, I think it'll make you look and feel like a moron, but who knows maybe it will be the new gaming sensation.
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sure, they may be trying to make more money with it, but also, it looks like it's a lot easier to control. my biggest complaint with controllers today is their lack of responsivness in the joysitcks. whereas with a mouse (and possibly the revo controller), you look one way and you go that way, there's no waiting for the camera to move, it just goes there

also, you gotta hand it to nintendo, they're at least trying to do someting new

[Rann]

Well I'd rather wait and see how well the remote works with FPSs, hopefully it will at least have some sort of sensitivity adjustment. Yes, they are trying something new, why don't they apply that to their games? Give mario a break, I want something new, get those creative juices flowing and give me a brand new character I come to know and love.

[Kapit]

Originally posted by Rann@Nov 5 2005, 04:26 PM
Well I'd rather wait and see how well the remote works with FPSs, hopefully it will at least have some sort of sensitivity adjustment. Yes, they are trying something new, why don't they apply that to their games? Give mario a break, I want something new, get those creative juices flowing and give me a brand new character I come to know and love.
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i think they should stop slapping mario on every type of game made. BUT! nintendo's first part games are some the best around, easily better, IMO, than 95% of the games made now

[Rann]

They are good, but not better than 95%, maybe 70%. To get back on topic, I was just looking at walmart.com and most of the bundles for the Xbox 360 are pretty bad. A third of the stuff in there I wouldn't want. It seems like Microsoft is forcing certain things like Xbox Live onto the consumer with the bundles.

[Kapit]

Originally posted by Rann@Nov 5 2005, 04:40 PM
They are good, but not better than 95%, maybe 70%. To get back on topic, I was just looking at walmart.com and most of the bundles for the Xbox 360 are pretty bad. A third of the stuff in there I wouldn't want. It seems like Microsoft is forcing certain things like Xbox Live onto the consumer with the bundles.
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yep, gotta make as much money as possible off the parents that have no idea how anything works. kid says "i want the bundle" parents pay their life savings for a couple things, then take out a third mortgage on the house so their kid can stop whining and play xboxlive gold

[Darth Darthy]

I feel sorry for MS. They have a pretty nice console with absolutely no software ready for the release date. Little Jimmy's gonna be playing yet another PS2 port on his new console this year.

[Virus]

$400 for this system could be a problem. I'm shocked that they are not charging the standard $300 for a new console.

[Jediwan]

Yeah it's a little ridiculous.

[the c0unt]

My thoughts on the next generation are this.

Nintendo is making the ONLY true next generation console, while MS and Sony are just making beefed up enhancements to their last generation consoles.

So I'll be buying a Revolution (and a 360 when the price drops because i want Halo 3...).

[Virus]

Originally posted by the c0unt@Nov 8 2005, 09:48 AM
My thoughts on the next generation are this.

Nintendo is making the ONLY true next generation console, while MS and Sony are just making beefed up enhancements to their last generation consoles.

So I'll be buying a Revolution (and a 360 when the price drops because i want Halo 3...).
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and your proof on this is from where?

[Kapit]

Originally posted by Virus+Nov 8 2005, 06:28 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Virus @ Nov 8 2005, 06:28 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-the c0unt@Nov 8 2005, 09:48 AM
My thoughts on the next generation are this.

Nintendo is making the ONLY true next generation console, while MS and Sony are just making beefed up enhancements to their last generation consoles.

So I'll be buying a Revolution (and a 360 when the price drops because i want Halo 3...).
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and your proof on this is from where?
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any article related to the new consoles....

nintendo is actually doing something next-gen with the controller, while sony and microsoft are making technical upgrades to make things shinier and faster

maybe you could make a case for xboxlive being overhauled, but in the end nintendo is the only company doing anything new

[Master Cephus]

Actually, the playstation Cell processor is very new and very cool. It has up to 8 cores on it. Which means, just like the new dual core processors that AMD and Intel have now, there will actually be 8 instead of 2. This means parallel processing of up to 8 times that of a single processor. That is pretty cool.

You have to look at console gaming this way. Games aren't very "cutting edge" in the beginning of a console because honeslty the developers are just getting used to using the libraries for the hardware.

Think about how cool looking games for the playstation 2 are. Now think of how old the console itself is. What's different about the hardware from the beginning until now? nothing. What is the difference? After X many years, developers know how to push the GPU to its limits.

Give all the consoles a chance and they should produce some really nice results.

[Virus]

Originally posted by Master Cephus@Nov 8 2005, 07:56 PM
Actually, the playstation Cell processor is very new and very cool. It has up to 8 cores on it. Which means, just like the new dual core processors that AMD and Intel have now, there will actually be 8 instead of 2. This means parallel processing of up to 8 times that of a single processor. That is pretty cool.

You have to look at console gaming this way. Games aren't very "cutting edge" in the beginning of a console because honeslty the developers are just getting used to using the libraries for the hardware.

Think about how cool looking games for the playstation 2 are. Now think of how old the console itself is. What's different about the hardware from the beginning until now? nothing. What is the difference? After X many years, developers know how to push the GPU to its limits.

Give all the consoles a chance and they should produce some really nice results.
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Finally someone with some intelligence and knows their technical jargon about processors and speedup and how clusters are the way of the future!

[Kapit]

Originally posted by Master Cephus@Nov 8 2005, 07:56 PM
Actually, the playstation Cell processor is very new and very cool. It has up to 8 cores on it. Which means, just like the new dual core processors that AMD and Intel have now, there will actually be 8 instead of 2. This means parallel processing of up to 8 times that of a single processor. That is pretty cool.

You have to look at console gaming this way. Games aren't very "cutting edge" in the beginning of a console because honeslty the developers are just getting used to using the libraries for the hardware.

Think about how cool looking games for the playstation 2 are. Now think of how old the console itself is. What's different about the hardware from the beginning until now? nothing. What is the difference? After X many years, developers know how to push the GPU to its limits.

Give all the consoles a chance and they should produce some really nice results.
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cephus, i have to disagree with you. most gamers dont really care how many threads a processor can handle, or all those little technical things. console gaming comes down the games and the way they're played, not the technical specs

[Anguirus111]

Yeah, I'm more than fine with the Gamecube-level of graphics. So what if you can squeeze an extra ounce of power into it? I sure as hell don't care because if the game isn't fun to play then what's the point? I don't care about graphics anymore, just gameplay and the XBOX360 and PS3 are just offering more of the same repetitive gameplay. And if Nintendo had done the same I would've sworn of the next generation altogether, but thankfully they didn't.

Everyone should watch Reggie Fil-Aime's discussion about the future of gaming at Gamespot.com, his insights are startling.

[Kapit]

Originally posted by Anguirus111@Nov 8 2005, 11:15 PM
Yeah, I'm more than fine with the Gamecube-level of graphics. So what if you can squeeze an extra ounce of power into it? I sure as hell don't care because if the game isn't fun to play then what's the point? I don't care about graphics anymore, just gameplay and the XBOX360 and PS3 are just offering more of the same repetitive gameplay. And if Nintendo had done the same I would've sworn of the next generation altogether, but thankfully they didn't.

Everyone should watch Reggie Fil-Aime's discussion about the future of gaming at Gamespot.com, his insights are startling.
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and another drawback of these graphical upgrades is the power consumption by the consoles. bigger, shinier, works harder, draws more power... just more money down the drains

[Anguirus111]

I usually don't think of consoles in terms of how much power they suck down because I barely play mine anymore.

[Kapit]

Comment: Games, not specifications, will win the next-gen battle

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=12753

[Filoviridae]

I'll have to agree with that comment. Most of the titles and franchises I'm looking forward to will be on the 360 but it's still a toss up between it and the PS3. PS3's refusal to include a standard online system is a negative mark on them for me since I'm used to XBL.

[the c0unt]

Originally posted by Filoviridae@Nov 10 2005, 05:02 PM
I'll have to agree with that comment. Most of the titles and franchises I'm looking forward to will be on the 360 but it's still a toss up between it and the PS3. PS3's refusal to include a standard online system is a negative mark on them for me since I'm used to XBL.
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<span style="font-family:Courier">Yeah thats another biggie for me. XBL is a very good service IMO, but what I've seen of Sony's doesn't impress me. I've heard of what MS is doing in the next gen with XBL, but anyone know what Sony is doing?</span>

[Kapit]

Originally posted by the c0unt@Nov 11 2005, 01:59 PM
<span style="font-family:Courier">Yeah thats another biggie for me. XBL is a very good service IMO, but what I've seen of Sony's doesn't impress me. I've heard of what MS is doing in the next gen with XBL, but anyone know what Sony is doing?</span>
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nothing at all. there's going to be no unified service like MS and nintendo will have. i believe it's going to be like the PS2 in that the games have their own browsers and stuff

[the c0unt]

Originally posted by JediKaputski+Nov 11 2005, 03:02 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(JediKaputski @ Nov 11 2005, 03:02 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-the c0unt@Nov 11 2005, 01:59 PM
<span style="font-family:Courier">Yeah thats another biggie for me. XBL is a very good service IMO, but what I've seen of Sony's doesn't impress me. I've heard of what MS is doing in the next gen with XBL, but anyone know what Sony is doing?</span>
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nothing at all. there's going to be no unified service like MS and nintendo will have. i believe it's going to be like the PS2 in that the games have their own browsers and stuff
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<span style="font-family:Courier">That's terrible.</span>

[T-bone]

When they make HALO 3, I'll buy the 360.

If they really wanna be marketing kooks, they'll call it HALO 360.

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[Kapit]

hey T, did you see this article on the improvments to halo2 for the 360?

http://www.bungie.net/News/TopStory.aspx?s...rsary&p=5312619 (http://www.bungie.net/News/TopStory.aspx?story=h2anniversary&p=5312619)

[Master Cephus]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>cephus, i have to disagree with you. most gamers dont really care how many threads a processor can handle, or all those little technical things. console gaming comes down the games and the way they're played, not the technical specs[/b][/quote]

THen you should be more concerned about more concurrent abilities. Take for instance a game. Most games have a couple of threads running them: you have the sound, all the different graphics processes, getting input from the user, etc. If you didn't have threads, then that would mean a very slow and poor gaming experience.

Now take what can be done with the newer multi-core processors. More and more can be done concurrently, and that also gives more ability to go more in depth with graphics, better AI that will enhance your experience. That is the game in a lot of instances. Having a better AI will boost gameplay by leaps and bounds. Multi-core processors give a better chance for better AI.

Another cool thing that could be coming to PCs, but I don't know about consoles is the use of an entirely physics processing unit (PPU). This would be like a GPU in that the CPU and GPU would not worry about the physics of a game, but rather the PPU would, which takes a HUGE load off the CPU and allow it to more concentrate on other aspects of the game (such as AI). This should definately benefit the gaming industry.

The more tools/newer hardware gives the game developers a better chance a creating a better game.

[T-bone]

Originally posted by JediKaputski@Nov 11 2005, 04:39 PM
hey T, did you see this article on the improvments to halo2 for the 360?

http://www.bungie.net/News/TopStory.aspx?s...rsary&p=5312619 (http://www.bungie.net/News/TopStory.aspx?story=h2anniversary&p=5312619)
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Yep - i'm on there all the time.

[Siamese Sith]

Well I've seen the light, I will be reserving 2 PS3's, one for me and one for Ebay, with my earnings on Ebay I'll support Nintendo by purchasing a Revolution. Sorry Micro$oft no love for you from my wallet.

PDT's Next gen Console war thread featuring PS3 Revolution and X360 (http://www.pleasedrivethrough.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=1213&view=findpost&p=23455)

[Filoviridae]

Just wanted to point out that that article has some serious flaws in it.

1) Square Enix - Creator of FF series is actually moving to Xbox

2)"Microsoft has no plans to incorporate HD-DVD or anything like it" Yeah it's only been everywhere that MS is using HD-DVD for their disks.

I also think Blu-ray is overrated and, as someone pointed out in another thread, will ultimately mean longer load times than a game with HD-DVD.

[Siamese Sith]

Originally posted by Filoviridae@Dec 2 2005, 04:35 PM
Just wanted to point out that that article has some serious flaws in it.

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That's not entirely acurate either, Squeenix is considering making FF non exclusive to PS3....what that means is the 360 might get a crystal chronicals style FF OR they might make the core FF series multi platform, but that has yet to be determined

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So we're going back to games on multiple disks? That's forward thinking.
Yeah using the current format DVD will sure do wonders for those next gen games that will dwarf GTA San Andreas.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>I also think Blu-ray is overrated and, as someone pointed out in another thread, will ultimately mean longer load times than a game with HD-DVD.[/b][/quote]
Longer load times....Please post the link to that discussion, I'd love to read it. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

[Darth Darthy]

Aye, Sith is right. SE are free to develop whatever they want on any platform and don't believe everything you read. And Blu-ray can't be over-rated; it's not even out yet.

[Obi_Ben_Kenobi]

I already got a :censored:ing xbox 360 it rocks


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[Darth Darthy]

Congratulations. And it "rocks" because...? I mean, other then looking like it's running PC games?

[jedi hunter]

Originally posted by Darth Darthy@Dec 2 2005, 10:14 PM
Congratulations. And it "rocks" because...? I mean, other then looking like it's running PC games?
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Well one thing is say if someone doesnt have 3000 dollars to have a good pc to play the games, they buy a 360 *raises hand* thats what i did and it was well worth then paying 3000+ to play games on a pc. and yes i admit the 360 games so far besides perfect dark 360's games are just a tad better than some pc games. but like i said way better than paying 3000 dollars to play games that look almost as good.

[Darth Darthy]

If your going to pay $3000 for a PC then it's gonna be a wee bit better then a 360. Or anything else on the planet for that matter.

[Siamese Sith]

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