The One & Only ROTS Novelization Thread

[T-bone]

After that Hyperspace chat with James Luceno, I'd put my money on him. He's read the script and is "not at liberty to say" what the next SW project he's contracted to write will be.

Go James.

[Darth Vegas]

Yeah I'd say it's either Luceno writing it, or he's going to write the Episode 3 tie-in novel.

[Handothrawn]

I think, depending on the success of TUF, Luceno will be writing it, but I think the success of TUF is really hard to measure, I mean anyone interested in the NJO will buying it, no doubt, any long time followers of the NJO, will be buying it, simply because its the end, so Lucas Licensing may be getting some false numbers there.

[3rdgenerationfett]

Luceno's a good bet. after reading SBS i was sure Denning might write it. i also thought GL might bring in Zahn to write the final book....or maybe Uncle George himself! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ohmy.gif one of those guys is my bet

[Darth Rebelo]

I don't want Luceno to write it. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif

He rarely, if ever, tells what the characters are thinking. He should write teleplays and screenplays, but NOT novels. If you can't utilize the 6th sense, that is if you can't get inside the characters head, then you have no business writing a novel. Harsh wors, I know, but that's how I feel. Especially with something as emotion-filled as Episode 3, I would much rather have a writer who is good at getting inside people's heads, such as Stover, Stackpole, or many others. But please, not Jim Luceno

...just my two, er twenty-five, cents. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/mad.gif

[3rdgenerationfett]

dude, stover would be awesome, i didnt even think about that! that would be great!

the reason i suggested Zahn is because he convienently has some off-time i think. His OUtbound Flight/Thrawn book i dont think is going to be worked on till after EpIII, probably to minimize continuity errors. im not sure what the status of the Luke/Mara book is at, but who knows/ wouldnt it be fitting, the first SW author writing the last SW movie book?

[Luvinna]

3rdgenerationfett<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>im not sure what the status of the Luke/Mara book is at, [/b][/quote]
Due out in February 2004. So it's probably close to done, if not done.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>wouldnt it be fitting, the first SW author writing the last SW movie book? [/b][/quote]
Zahn isn't the first SW author. That would be Alan Dean Foster who wrote the novelization of ANH. Foster is also the first EU author with his book Splinter of the Mind's Eye which came out between ANH and ESB.

As for Luceno writing the E3 novel, I kind of agree with Darth Rebelo up there. I haven't really like any of Luceno's books (though I'm liking TUF better then I thought I would) and E3 does need someone who's good at getting inside people's heads.

[3rdgenerationfett]

alright fine, make me look stupid style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif . but zahn still is one of the biggest EU authors, so maaaaybe...

[Javen]

Matthew Woodring Stover will write the novel. StarWars.com (http://www.starwars.com/episode-iii/bts/publishing/news20031114.html)

[Keiran_Horn]

Ah, this is great news. If anyone can pull off the gritty darkness of EPIII it's Stover.

[James T. Skywalker]

Originally posted by Keiran_Horn@Nov 15 2003, 07:27 AM
Ah, this is great news. If anyone can pull off the gritty darkness of EPIII it's Stover.
Agreed, the dude is gonna do a bang-up job.

~JTS

[bluemilk]

Originally posted by Keiran_Horn@Nov 15 2003, 08:27 AM
Ah, this is great news. If anyone can pull off the gritty darkness of EPIII it's Stover.
agreed. I haven't read Traitor but I thought Shatterpoint was a fantasic read. Matthew is great at creating that "heart of darkness" feel so I feel he's the perfect author to write Episode III.

[Handothrawn]

SWISH!

[Marbleman]

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[Darth Vegas]

Well the I geuss James Luceno is either writing the novel leading up to Episode 3 or writing a follow up novel.

[Leto II]

From what he's mentioned just recently, he seems to be set to author the lead-in "bridge" novel to Episode III , much as Alan Dean Foster did with the pre-AOTC book, The Approaching Storm in February, 2002.

He's already read the film's screenplay, so this seems like the most logical possibility, all things being equal. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/cool.gif

[Keiran_Horn]

I'm not dreading Luceno's involvement in EPIII novels as much as I was before reading TUF. I was pleasantly surprised by his quality of writing, greatly improved from the Agents of Chaos duology.

[jade51999]

ditto..TUF's writing style was a hundred percent different from AOC..and I do think that Luceno will do a good job on the bridge novel, if he writes it..

as for MWStover doing the novelization..ROCK ON..man between Traitor and Shatterpoint, that man has a thing for writing angst and horror and terror..hoo-ray...

[Whuffa]

Stover is the one of the best SW authors, right up there with Zahn and Stackpole and I think he'll do a great job. Thank god Luceno isn't writing it but I don't think he'll do good on the bridge novel because he'll have a very limikted plot to work with (remember The Approaching Storm?) and he's just not a good enough author to pull it off.

[James T. Skywalker]

Maybe you should read The Unifying Force, Whuffa.

EDIT: Ok, you've read it... why give Luceno a tough time after your flattering review?

~JTS

[Whuffa]

Sorry, I didn't read the title carefully, and assumed this was a discussion about the Ep3 bridge novel. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif I wouldn't mind Luceno doing the novelization but I think he'd do real bad with the bridge novel because, while I think Luceno did a great job with TUF, I think he wouldn't do so good on the ep3 bridge novel because these usualy have very limited plots and to make the story work, the author has to turn to major character development or find another interesting approach. While Luceno has proven he can tell a great story, I just don't trust him enough yet to believe he can pull this off. Stover on the other hand, has established himself as a different and very skilled author from the start and that's why I think he could do this.

[bluemilk]

I disagree. I feel Luceno could do a wonderful job writing a bridge novel for Ep III. Like Michael P. Kube-McDowell, Luceno is very talented at creating memorable minor characters plus he excels at writing thoughtful, vivid military and political dialogue. I enjoyed the Agents of Chaos duology and I have confidence that Luceno will write a good, solid story. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbsup.gif

[Whuffa]

But minor characters only work when the plot is large, not when it's something along the lines of The Approaching Storm. The only way you can get away with such a weak story is to develop the characters intensly (not just the minor ones), and that's just not something I think Luceno has proved he can do.

[bluemilk]

That's true however since any bridge novel for Episode III would deal with the continuing Clone Wars therefore I believe there would be a lot of important minor characters. Luceno is good at expressing the nuances of a character. Since the author of a bridge novel would not be able to really "touch" any of the major movie characters, they will have to rely on the supporting characters and the strength of storytelling to really make the novel worthwhile for readers.

[DarthSolo]

i think the EpIII bridge novel will actually be a larger story than we might think. its in the midst of a war, not just political turmoil and whatnot. Luceno probably would get a chance to develop minor characters, because i think this book will be more extensive than the other bridge books we've seen. and after TUF, i wouldnt be disapointed with him writing the bridge.

in any case, GO STOVER!!!

[Darth Vegas]

It's now official that James Luceno is writing a novel leading up to the events in Episode 3, confirmed by Del Ray.

[DarthSolo]

saw that comin!

[Whuffa]

Oh well, If TUF wasn't as good as it is I'd be scared, but I feel more comfortable with Luceno doing SW stuff after TUF

[Darth Vegas]

I never understood the hate for Luceno, personnally I loved Cloak of Deception, it wasn't perfect, but it was a good read, and a nice way to lead into TPM.

Now I have not read a single NJO novel (I have Vector Prime in pdf format though, and I may give it a chance soon enough) so I wouldn't be able to defend the criticism towards his NJO duology. Though I will say this, the man deserves more credit than he's been getting from the fans.

[bluemilk]

James Luceno r0x0rs! All his Star Wars novels have been well written and well thought out.

EDIT: hehe looks I made my feelings clear already up above! well at least I'm consistent style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

[frootylupes]

luceno is doing the lead in movie?

[Suzanne (ex CoS Leia)]

I can understand the choice of Stover for this book as he did an excellent job in delving into motivations in Traitor, and there is no doubt that there will be a lot of motivations to delve into in Ep III and he will do an excellent job with this aspect of the novelization.

However, I am concerned that the movie novelization needs to be accessible to all readers which may not occur as his style is dark and esoteric. This means that I am worried he will not be able to write in the sort of descriptive movie narrative that is required in novelizations.

I hope I am wrong.

[Luvinna]

In an attempt to keep the pictures thread from being bogged down by novel discussion, here's a new thread! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif

Scans of novel pages coming...

[Darth Bowie]

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[Darth Bowie]

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[Luvinna]

I've had to host them elsewhere because they're too big to post as an attachment and I'm afraid if I reduce the size you won't be able to read it.

Here's Chapter 17 (http://photobucket.com/albums/v72/Luvinna/No%20Name/17/). Sadly, I'm missing the 2nd and 3rd pages because I couldn't get the link at MF.com to open. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/crying.gif

[Luvinna]

Chapter 18 (http://photobucket.com/albums/v72/Luvinna/No%20Name/18/)

[Luvinna]

Chapter 21 (http://photobucket.com/albums/v72/Luvinna/No%20Name/21/), the last chapter. Again, I'm missing the 5th and 6th pages, for the same reason. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/crying.gif

But, here's a typed-up version someone at MF.com posted:

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Chapter 21
A New Jedi Order

A Naboo skiff reverted to realspace and flashed toward an alien medical installation in the asteroid belt of Polis Massa.

Tantive IV reentered reality only moments behind.

And on Mustafar, below the red thunder of a volcano, a Sith Lord had already snatched from sand of black glass the charred torso and head of what once had been a man, and had already leapt for the cliffbank above with effortless strength, and had already roared to his clones to bring the medical capsule immediately!

The Sith Lord lowered the limbless man tenderly to the cool ground above, and laid his hand across the cracked and blackened mess that once had been his brow, and he set his will upon him.

Live, Lord Vader. Live, my apprentice.

Live.

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Beyond the transparent crystal of the observation dome on the airless crags of Polis Massa, the galaxy wheeled in a spray of hard, cold pinpricks through the veil of infinite night.

Beneath that dome sat Yoda. He did not look at the stars.

He sat a very long time.

Even after nearly nine hundred years, the road to self-knowledge was rugged enough to leave him bruised and bleeding.

He spoke softly, but not to himself.

Though no one was with him, he was not alone.

"My failure, this was. Failed the Jedi, I did."

He spoke to the Force.

And the Force answered him. Do not blame yourself, my old friend.

As it sometimes had these past thirteen years, when the Force spoke to him, it spoke in the voice of Qui-Gon Jinn,

"Too old I was," Yoda said. "Too rigid. Too arrogant to see that the old way is not the only way. These Jedi, 1 trained to become the Jedi who had trained me, long centuries ago—but those ancient Jedi, of a different time they were. Changed, has the galaxy. Changed, the Order did not—because let it change, I did not."

More easily said than done, my friend.

"An infinite mystery is the Force." Yoda lifted his head and turned his gaze out into the wheel of stars. "Much to learn, there still is."

And you will have time to learn it.

"Infinite knowledge . . ." Yoda shook his head. "Infinite time, does that require."

With my help, you can learn to join with the Force, yet retain consciousness. You can join your light to it forever. Perhaps, in time, even your physical self.

Yoda did not move. "Eternal life . . ."

The ultimate goal of the Sith, yet they can never achieve it; it comes only by the release of self, not the exaltation of self. It comes through compassion, not greed. Love is the answer to the darkness.

"Become one with the Force, yet influence still to have . . ." Yoda mused. "A power greater than all, it is."

It cannot be granted; it can only be taught. It is yours to learn, if you wish it.

Slowly, Yoda nodded. "A very great Jedi Master you have become, Qui-Gon Jinn. A very great Jedi Master you always were, but too blind I was to see it."

He rose, and folded his hands before him, and inclined his head in the Jedi bow of respect.

The bow of the student, in the presence of the Master.

"Your apprentice, I gratefully become."

He was well into his first lesson when the hatch cycled open behind him. He turned.

In the corridor beyond stood Bail Organa. He looked stricken,

"Obi-Wan is asking for you at the surgical theater," he said. "It's Padme. She's dying."

Obi-Wan sat beside her, holding one cold, still hand in both of his. "Don't give up, Padme."

"Is it . . ." Her eyes rolled blindly. "It's a girl. Anakin thinks it's a girl."

"We don't know yet. In a minute . .. you have to stay with us."

Below the opaque tent that shrouded her from chest down, a pair of surgical droids assisted with her labor. A general medical droid fussed and tinkered among the clutter of scanners and equipment.

"If it's ... a girl—oh, oh, oh no . . ."

Obi-Wan cast an appeal toward the medical droid. "Can't you do something?"

"All organic damage has been repaired." The droid checked another readout. "This systemic failure cannot be explained."

Not physically, Obi-Wan thought. He squeezed her hand as though he could keep life within her body by simple pressure. "Padme, you have to hold on."

"If it's a girl . . . ," she gasped, "name her Leia . . ."

One of the surgical droids circled out from behind the tent, cradling in its padded arms a tiny infant, already swabbed clean and breathing, but without even the hint of tears.

The droid announced softly, "It's a boy."

Padme reached for him with her trembling free hand, but she had no strength to take him; she could only touch her fingers to the baby's forehead.

She smiled weakly. "Luke ..."

The other droid now rounded the tent as well, with another clean, quietly solemn infant. ". . . and a girl."

But she had already fallen back against her pillow.

"Padme, you have twins," Obi-Wan said desperately. ""They need you—please hang on ..."

"Anakin ..."

"Anakin . . . isn't here, Padme," he said, though he didn't think she could hear.

"Anakin, I'm sorry. I'm so sorry . . . Anakin, please, I love you . .."

In the Force, Obi-Wan felt Yoda's approach, and he looked up to see the ancient Master beside Bail Organa, both staring the same grave question down through the surgical theater's observation panel.

The only answer Obi-Wan had was a helpless shake of his head.

Padme reached across with her free hand, with the hand she had laid upon the brow of her firstborn son, and pressed something into Obi-Wan's palm.

For a moment, her eyes cleared, and she knew him.

"Obi-Wan . . . there ... is still good in him. I know there is... still..."

Her voice faded to an empty sigh, and she sagged back against the pillow. Half a dozen different scanners buzzed with conflicting alarm tones, and the medical droids shooed him from the room.

He stood in the hall outside, looking down at what she had pressed into his hand. It was a pendant of some kind, an amulet, unfamiliar sigils carved into some sort of organic material, strung on a loop of leather. In the Force, he could feel traces of the touch of her skin.

When Yoda and Bail came for him, he was still standing there, staring at it.
"She put this in my hand—" For what seemed the dozenth time this day, he found himself blinking back tears. "—and I don't even know what it is."

"Precious to her, it must have been," Yoda said slowly. "Buried with her, perhaps it should be."

Obi-Wan looked down at the simple, child-like symbols carved into it, and felt from it in the Force soaring echoes of transcendent love, and the bleak, black despair of unendurable heartbreak.

"Yes," he said. "Yes. Perhaps that would be best."

Around a conference table on Tantive TV, Bail Organa, Obi-Wan Kenobi, and Yoda met to decide the fate of the galaxy.

"To Naboo, send her body . . ." Yoda stretched his head high, as though tasting a current in the Force. "Pregnant, she must still appear. Hidden, safe, the children must be kept. Foundation of the new Jedi Order, they will be."

"We should split them up," Obi-Wan said. "Even if the Sith find one, the other may survive. I can take the boy. Master Yoda, and you take the girl. We can hide them away, keep them safe— train them as Anakin should have been trained—"

"No." The ancient Master lowered his head again, closing his eyes, resting his chin on his hands that were folded over the head of his stick.

Obi-Wan looked uncertain. "But how are they to learn the self-discipline a Jedi needs? How are they to master skills of the Force?"

"Jedi training, the sole source of self-discipline is not. When right is the time for skills to be taught, to us the living Force will bring them. Until then, wait we will, and watch, and learn."

"I can . . ." Bail Organa stopped, flushing slightly. "I'm sorry to interrupt, Masters; I know little about the Force, but I do know something of love. The Queen and I—well, we've always talked of adopting a girl. If you have no objection, I would like to take Leia to Alderaan, and raise her as our daughter. She would be loved with us."

Yoda and Obi-Wan exchanged a look. Yoda tilted his head. "No happier fate could any child ask for. With our blessing, and that of the Force, let Leia be your child."

Bail stood, a little jerkily, as though he simply could no longer keep his seat. His flush had turned from embarrassment to pure uncomplicated joy. "Thank you, Masters—I don't know what else to say. Thank you, that's all. What of the boy?"

"Cliegg Lars still lives on Tatooine, I think—and Anakin's stepbrother . . . Owen, that's it, and his wife, Beru, still work the moisture farm outside Mos Eisley . . "

"As close to kinfolk as the boy can come," Yoda said approvingly. "But Tatooine, not like Alderaan it is-—deep in the Outer Rim, a wild and dangerous planet."

"Anakin survived it," Obi-Wan said. "Luke can, too. And I can—well, I could take him there, and watch over him. Protect him from the worst of the planet's dangers, until he can learn to protect himself."

"Like a father you wish to be, young Obi-Wan?"

"More an ... eccentric old uncle, I think. It is a part I can play very well. To keep watch over Anakin's son—" Obi-Wan sighed, finally allowing his face to register a suggestion of his old gentle smile. "I can't imagine a better way to spend the rest of my life."

"Settled it is, then. To Tatooine, you will take him."

Bail moved toward the door. "If you'll excuse me, Masters, I have to call the Queen . . ." He stopped in the doorway, looking back. "Master Yoda, do you think Padme's twins will be able to defeat Palpatine?"

"Strong the Force runs, in the Skywalker line. Only hope, we can. Until the time is right, disappear we will."

Bail nodded. "And I must do die same—metaphorically, at least. You may hear . . . disturbing things . . . about what I do in the Senate. I must appear to support the new Empire, and my comrades with me. It was . . . Padme's wish, and she was a shrewder political mind than I'll ever be. Please trust that what we do is only a cover for our true task. We will never betray the legacy of the Jedi. I will never surrender the Republic to the Sith."

"Trust in this, we always will. Go now; for happy news, your Queen is waiting."

Bail Organa bowed, and vanished into the corridor.

When Obi-Wan moved to follow, Yoda's gimer stick barred his way. "A moment, Master Kenobi. In your solitude on Tatooine, training I have for you. I and my new Master."

Obi-Wan blinked. "Your new Master?" v;
"Yes." Yoda smiled up at him. "And your old one . . ."

C-3PO shuffled along the starship's hallway beside R2-D2, following Senator Organa who had, by all accounts, inherited them both. "I'm certain I can't say why she malfunctioned," he was telling the little astromech. "Organics are so terribly complicated, you know."

Ahead, the Senator was met by a man whose uniform, C-3PO's conformation-recognition algorithm informed him, indicated he was a captain in the Royal Alderaan Civil Fleet.

"I'm placing these droids in your care," the Senator said. "Have them cleaned, polished, and refitted with the best of everything; they will belong to my new daughter."

"How lovely!" C-3PO exclaimed. "His daughter is the child of Master Anakin and Senator Amidala," he explained to R2-D2. "I can hardly wait to tell her all about her parents! I'm sure she will be very proud—"

"Oh, and the protocol droid?" Senator Organa said thoughtfully. "Have its mind wiped."

The captain saluted.

"Oh," said C-3PO. "Oh, dear."

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In the newly renamed Emperor Palpatine Surgical Reconstruction Center on Coruscant, a hypersophisticated prototype Ubrikkian DD-13 surgical droid moved away from the project that it and an enhanced FX-6 medical droid had spent many days rebuilding.

It beckoned to a dark-robed shadow that stood at the edge of the pool of high-intensity light. "My lord, the construction is finished. He lives."

"Good. Good."

The shadow flowed into the pool of light as though the overhead illuminators had malfunctioned.

Droids stepped back as it came to the rim of the surgical table.

On the table was strapped the very first patient of the EmPalSuRecon Center.

To some eyes, it might have been a pieced-togcther hybrid of droid and human, encased in a life-support shell of gleaming black, managed by a thoracic processor that winked pale color against the shadow's cloak. To some eyes, its jointed limbs might have looked ungainly, clumsy, even monstrous; the featureless curves of black that served it for eyes might have appeared inhuman, and the underthrust grillwork of its vocabulator might have suggested the jaws of a saurian predator built of polished blast armor, but to the shadow—

It was glorious.

A magnificent jewel box, created both to protect and to exhibit the greatest treasure of the Sith.

Terrifying.

Mesmerizing.

Perfect.

The table slowly rotated to vertical, and the shadow leaned close.

"Lord Vader? Lord Vader, can you hear me?"

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This is how it feels to be Anakin Skywalker, forever:

The first dawn of light in your universe brings pain.

The light burns you. It will always burn you. Part of you will always lie upon black glass sand beside a lake of fire while flames chew upon your flesh.

You can hear yourself breathing. It comes hard, and harsh, and it scrapes nerves already raw, but you cannot stop it. You can never stop it. You cannot even slow it down.

You don't even have lungs anymore.

Mechanisms hardwired into your chest breathe for you. They will pump oxygen into your bloodstream forever.

Lord Vader? Lord Vader, can you hear me?

And you can't, not in the way you once did. Sensors in the shell that prisons your head trickle meaning directly into your brain.

You open your scorched-pale eyes; optical sensors integrate light and shadow into a hideous simulacrum of the world around you.

Or perhaps the simulacrum is perfect, and it is the world that is hideous.

Padme? Are you here? Are you all right? you try to say, but another voice speaks for you, out from the vocabulator that serves you for burned-away lips and tongue and throat.

"Padme"? Are you here? Are you all right?"

I'm very sorry, Lord Vader. I'm afraid she died. It seems in your anger, you killed her."

This burns hotter than the lava had.

"No . . . no, it is not possible!"

You loved her. You will always love her. You could never will her death.
Never.

But you remember . . .

You remember all of it.

You remember the dragon that you brought Vader forth from your heart to slay. You remember the cold venom in Vader's blood. You remember the furnace of Vader's fury, and the black hatred of seizing her throat to silence her lying mouth—

And there is one blazing moment in which you finally understand that there was no dragon. That there was no Vader. That there was only you. Only Anakin Skywalker.

That it was all you. Is you.

Only you.

You did it.

You killed her.

You killed her because, finally, when you could have saved her, when you could have gone away with her, when you could have been thinking about her, you were thinking about yourself. . .

It is in this blazing moment that you finally understand the trap of the dark side, the final cruelty of the Sith—

Because now your self is all you will ever have.

And you rage and scream and reach through the Force to crush the shadow who has destroyed you, but you are so far less now than what you were, you are more than half machine, you are like a painter gone blind, a composer gone deaf, you can remember where the power was but the power you can touch is only a memory, and so with all your world-destroying fury it is only droids around you that implode, and equipment, and the table on which you were strapped shatters, and in the end, you cannot touch the shadow.

In the end, you do not even want to.

In the end, the shadow is all you have left.

Because the shadow understands you, the shadow forgives you, the shadow gathers you unto itself—

And within your furnace heart, you burn in your own flame.

This is how it feels to be Anakin Skywatker.

Forever. . .

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The long night has begun.

Huge solemn crowds line Palace Plaza in Theed, the capital of Naboo, as six beautiful white gualaars draw a flower-draped open casket bearing the remains of a beloved Senator through the Triumphal Arch, her fingers finally and forever clasping a snippet of japor, one that had been carved long ago by the hand of a nine-year-old boy from an obscure desert planet in the far Outer Rim . . .

On the jungle planet of Dagobah, a Jedi Master inspects the unfamiliar swamp of his exile . . .

From the bridge of a Star Destroyer, two Sith Lords stand with a sector governor named Tarkin, and survey the growing skeleton of a spherical battle station the size of a moon . . .

But even in the deepest night, there are some who dream of dawn.

On Alderaan, the Prince Consort delivers a baby girl into the loving arms of his Queen.

And on Tatooine, a Jedi Master brings an infant boy to the homestead of Owen and Bern Lars—

Then he rides his eopie off into the Jundland Wastes, toward the setting suns.

[Darth Bowie]

Thank you Luvinna!

[RebelRoss0587]

This is some awesome stuff. It should convert any doubter, but of course, there will always be doubters but hopefully just less of them now.

[Dutch]

holy crap

that is all

[Darth Holmes]

I told you Mace was a badass. The duel between Mace and Sidious was unbelievable. And I loved the description of Palpatines disfigurement. It’s perfect.

I think I’m looking forward to that fight more than the others. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/yes.gif

[RebelRoss0587]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>I think I’m looking forward to that fight more than the others. [/b][/quote]

There are going to be so many awesome duels that I can't just pick out one, but the hype for THE DUEL really has me intrigued obviously.

[The Prism]

Oh, hell, every duel...no...every scene...no...the whole damn movie is going to be AAAAAWWWWEEEESSSSOOOOMMMMEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!

[RebelRoss0587]

I can't wait until that part of the fight is leaked. It's funny how all this leaking that Lucas is so afraid of is building the anticipation so much. I'm sure most people who read this online will still buy the book and obviously go to the movie so it's a win win for everybody.

[Luvinna]

It's so hard, reading these chapters and knowing what happens, and still wanting it to turn out differently. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/crying.gif

[Suzanne (ex CoS Leia)]

Wow. I've read the last chapter (I printed it out and took it with me when I went out) and will soon read the others, but just Wow.

I'm still not totally sold on Stover's style, but you can certainly get a feel for how it's going to play on screen.

But as the order stands in the book C3PO doesn't have the last word - maybe that was changed later in the film after the manuscript was locked in?

(and thanks again Luvinna)

[Luvinna]

Originally posted by Suzanne (ex CoS Leia)@Mar 23 2005, 10:29 PM
I'm still not totally sold on Stover's style, but you can certainly get a feel for how it's going to play on screen.
Agreed, on both accounts. I haven't much enjoyed his other books, but I found it hard to stop reading these chapters.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>But as the order stands in the book C3PO doesn't have the last word - maybe that was changed later in the film after the manuscript was locked in?[/b][/quote]
I was wondering the same thing. It was Anthony Daniels who said 3PO had the last line, wasn't it?

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You're welcome! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/howdy.gif

[Suzanne (ex CoS Leia)]

Originally posted by Luvinna@Mar 24 2005, 04:34 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>But as the order stands in the book C3PO doesn't have the last word - maybe that was changed later in the film after the manuscript was locked in?
I was wondering the same thing. It was Anthony Daniels who said 3PO had the last line, wasn't it?
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Yes - he was quoted by Pabawan in one of the soundtrack diaries: he did say that this was as it stood at that time, so that a change was possible - but I think that the timing of the soundtrack recording was almost certainly after the mauscript lock-in so the order is probably going to be different on screen.

In terms of chronology the book refers to it taking days to "repair" Vader which would explain the timing, but I do much prefer the symmetry of C3PO having the first and last words in the saga.

[Jacen Solo]

I have no words for this ... but wow.

[Underoath]

Stover is the frickin Man.

[The White Tuxedo]

I'll just follow suit.

Wow.

Um, yeah. It's just odd to finally read this stuff. I was debating with myself to hold off until April 2nd. My plan was to finish off Labyrinth of Evil, watch TPM and ATOC, and then dive head first into the ROTS novel. Oh well, I'm weak to spoilers. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

I think there has to be more to the assault on the Jedi Temple than what was in the book. Those shots of Anakin with the Clone Troopers in tow (from the trailer) look like they are from that sequence.

Anyway, that was some great stuff. The scene when Anakin decides to turn and recieves his new name is really... Wow.

But the tone of the ending is exactly what I wanted, was expecting, and was sure would happen. It's sad, with a glimer of hope. It's a beautiful tone to end the Star Wars films. Because it all kicks right back in to high gear at the begining of ANH.

I like this line, it sums up the tone perfectly.

"But even in the deepest night, there are some who dream of dawn."

Can't wait for this movie!

[Fiffis]

That last chapter. Wow.

I knew all that was going to happen, but reading it and getting a better idea of how it works. Wow.

I cannot wait to see those scenes displayed in the theater. Wow. Going to be such a powerful movie (at least to me and I'm sure about 99.9% of the people here). Wow.

Just...wow.

[Jacen Solo]

Welcome to the Galactic Senate, Fiffis. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tada.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/bye.gif

I found the Mace/Sidious duel quite intriguing. Is it being suggested that Mace Windu actually crossed over, or at least was close to crossing over to the Dark Side?

[Otis_Frampton]

Oh, please please please let Palpatine wink during the arrest in the actual movie. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif

Anyone else notice that the prequels are bookended by Obi-Wan being told to trust in the living Force?

-Otis

[DonSwoosh]

Oh yeah, I caught that Otis right away. It's a direct contrast to what the Jedi have been preaching for 2 films now. But it's so Original Trilogy. I love it.

[JSunday]

I haven't read Order 66 yet. But I've read the Mace chapter and the final one. Was BLOWN away by both.

As amazing as the trailer seems when it comes to the mace/sidious confrontation, it PALES in terms of excitement and darkness compared to the text.

I read it twice and said, both times when I was done, HOLY SH!T....

[DonSwoosh]

I can't wait to read the novel, but I must confess, I want to read the script ebook even more because it'll be the closest represenation of the movie we'll get in May.

April 2nd is going to be a long day but I will read that script first, then hit the novel later in the day. Can't wait.

[JSunday]

Me too, DonSwoosh. I really want to read the script to cross-reference it against what's in the novel. There are some dialogue TWEAKS between even the novel and the trailer, but it's very close.

I've heard rumblings that the Qui Gon/Yoda scene was cut. Don't know if there's truth to that or not.

[JSunday]

Apparently here's the sequence of things, according to the graphic novel:

The Opening Space Battle.
The Crash/Land in the Hangar.
Battle and Escape to the Fuel Room.
Discovery of the Chancellor.
Battle and Death of Dooku.
Captured by Droids.
Brought to Grievous.
Obi-Wan breaks Free.
The Ship Falls Out of Orbit.
Grievous Flees and Launches the Escape Pods.
The Ship Breaks and Crashes.
Windu greets them.
Anakin & Padme reunited.
Grievous Instructs the Loyalists on Utapau.
The Nightmare and Talk with Padme.
Obi/Mace/Yoda secret conference.
Obi warns Anakin to be careful.
Palpatine Appoints Anakin.
Mon/Bail/Padme meet to discuss.
The Jedi Council discuss.
Obi tells Anakin to Spy.
Yoda leaves for Kashyyyk.
The Morning Scene.
The Galaxies Opera House.
Obi confronts Padme.
Obi and Ani farewell.
Ani confronts Padme about Obi's confrontation.
Obi arrives on Utapau and gets Boga.
Obi battles and defeats Grievous.
Anakin Discovers Palpatine is a Sith Lord.
Obi sends word that Grievous is dead.
Anakin informs the council of Palpatine's identity.
The posse confronts Palpatine.
Anakin decides to follow.
Mace's Death Scene.
The Knighting of Lord Vader.
The Purge of the Jedi.
Bail Sees a Young One Slaughtered.
Anakin tells Padme what has happened.
Bail gets a hold of a Jedi Homing Beacon.
Yoda leaves Kashyyyk.
Obi leaves Utapau.
They meet with Bail and decide to go back the change the beacon.
Anakin slaughters the Separatists.
Palpatine announces the creation of the Empire.
Yoda and Obi return to the Temple, change the code and view the slaughter.
Obi confronts Padme again and then stows aboard her ship.
Yoda confronts Palpatine.
Padme arrives on Mustafar and the Battle Begins.
The Battle Continues between Yoda and Palps, Yoda falls among the pods.
Note: There is most likely more than is included in the Graphic Novel here, as it is not explained why/how Yoda leaves the chamber in the fight.
3P0 carries Padme aboard the ship while the duel continues.
Palpatine orders the clones to search for Yoda and leaves for Mustafar.
Yoda jumps into Bail's speeder.
The Battle Continues until the Defeat of Anakin.
Palpatine discovers Anakin.
Yoda confers with the spirit of Qui-Gon.
The Birth of the Twins.
Conference between Bail/Obi/Yoda.
Yoda Informs Obi about Qui.
Bail gives the droids to Antilles and has 3P0's memory wiped.
The Birth of Vader and the Noooooo!!!
Dagobah.
Space.
Alderaan.
Tatooine.

[empire21]

Sounds good.

[TuskenRaider1]

just incredible. Looks like Hes doing it right after all!

[Luminara Skye]

Thanks JSunday for the listing. Awesome!! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/bow.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/w00t.gif

[DonSwoosh]

JSunday, I seriously doubt that the Qui-Gon/Yoda scene is cut from the finish product. It's too essential to the entire nature and understanding of the Force in the Original Trilogy.

I don't get upset with any decisions Lucas has made thus far in the Prequels but I got to be honest, that would be bad if he actually cut that sequence from the film.

But I get the sense that he thinks the ending is too heavy handed, ala Return of the King, and I know Lucas probably wants to avoid the multiple ending scenario.

I guess anything's possbile but I think that would be a mistake.

[Underoath]

I really doubt that he'll cut it from the film, especially after having Qui Gonn's voice in AOTC, that part is just screaming to be in there. All that I wonder about is what will they cut if they have the Yoda/Ginn conversation in the finished product?

[JSunday]

Originally posted by DonSwoosh@Mar 24 2005, 10:25 AM
JSunday, I seriously doubt that the Qui-Gon/Yoda scene is cut from the finish product. It's too essential to the entire nature and understanding of the Force in the Original Trilogy.

I don't get upset with any decisions Lucas has made thus far in the Prequels but I got to be honest, that would be bad if he actually cut that sequence from the film.

But I get the sense that he thinks the ending is too heavy handed, ala Return of the King, and I know Lucas probably wants to avoid the multiple ending scenario.

I guess anything's possbile but I think that would be a mistake.
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I agree. But I don't think he'd cut it for time or lack of relevance. What if he couldn't get Liam on board? That's the issue. In Clones they just had to find some old dialogue of him saying "Anakin." Not a problem. But this is extensive dialogue.

So the question remains, "Did Liam Neeson agree to do this?" If the answer is no, then short of an impersonation (which is possible AND FINE BY ME, I might add), the scene would either have to be:

1. cut
2. Yoda's guilt worked into a scene with Kenobi.

Lucas is famous for taking scenes and combining them or switching players. And while we couldn't get Qui Gonn's lines from Kenobi, we could get Yoda's guilt slathered on Obi Wan....and then he goes on to tell him what he's learned and from whom.

[Darth Darthy]

I gotta say, I've never been this spoiled for a SW movie before. I don't think it'll make much of a difference because it all sounds and (from what the trailers have shown) looks superb. It looks like the Audio Book has finally reached one of the big torrent sites too so I'll be listening to that tonight! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/happydance.gif

[empire21]

^same here, I thought I was spoiled for EPII, but that was nothing compared to this, hope it doesn't effect my viewing style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/holosid.gif

[Underoath]

Eh, you know what happens anyways, so it really doesn't matter. We've heard about the main parts of the story for years now.

[Lunatic]

Just got my copy of the novelization!!! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/happydance.gif Nice Easter present. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/happy.gif

SW music playing...
Couch ready...
Food and drinks ready...
Reading mode ON...
GO!! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbsup.gif

See you in a couple...

[Luvinna]

Not fair!!! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thud.gif

[Exar Kun]

Originally posted by Luuke_Skywalker@Mar 24 2005, 05:20 AM
Welcome to the Galactic Senate, Fiffis. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tada.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/bye.gif

I found the Mace/Sidious duel quite intriguing. Is it being suggested that Mace Windu actually crossed over, or at least was close to crossing over to the Dark Side?
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From what I understand, Mace was only feeding off the darkness of Sidious, and using it against him.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>He accepted the furious speed of the Sith Lord, drew the shadow's rage and power into his inmost center -- And let it fountain out again.[/b][/quote]

I reckon Mace had to use some of the dark energies in order to keep up with Sidious. The author stated that Mace wasn't being fully submersed in the dark side, but he couldn't totally resist it either...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>He had learned that it is fear that gives the darkness power. He was not afraid. The darkness had no power over him. But -- Neither did he have power over it.[/b][/quote]

So in essence, Mace wasn't going to the darkside totally, but he wasn't full in the light either. I believe Mace was just letting the force flow through him - be it light or dark. That is what his style, Vapaad, is essentially. (Quotes located on page 330 in the novelization)

And that ladies and gentlemen, concludes my thesis on Mace Windu style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif .

[Darth Bowie]

Originally posted by Lunatic@Mar 24 2005, 04:45 PM
Just got my copy of the novelization!!! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/happydance.gif Nice Easter present. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/happy.gif

SW music playing...
Couch ready...
Food and drinks ready...
Reading mode ON...
GO!! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbsup.gif

See you in a couple...
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GREAT! Now you can supply us with scans!!!

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[JSunday]

Amen.

[RebelRoss0587]

Let's see how this baby starts out.

[Obi-Wan]

I want something on Yoda Vs. Sidious!!!

By far those were amazing reads. I love the Mace Vs. Palpatine chapter. This movie is gonna rock on screen!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Luvinna]

Originally posted by JSunday@Mar 24 2005, 10:59 AM
When the spoiler for that first surfaced I smiled.....it's a great little detail. One easy to dismiss...not fart around with...whatever. And fitting that it is buried with her.....as it represents the man who no longer exists either. Their love died with her...and with his transformation.
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I was kind of hoping the jappor snippet would be passed down to Leia. Just something she was told belonged to her mother (kinda like Anakin's lightsaber being given to Luke). And just maybe it was with her instead of on Alderaan when the planet was destroyed. I know. Wishful thinking. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/satisfied.gif

[RebelRoss0587]

Well, look at it this way guys. Regardless of how long it takes for the entire book to be released, we'll all be able to read it the right way in only 9 days!

[Suzanne (ex CoS Leia)]

Originally posted by Luvinna+Mar 25 2005, 08:46 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Luvinna @ Mar 25 2005, 08:46 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-JSunday@Mar 24 2005, 10:59 AM
When the spoiler for that first surfaced I smiled.....it's a great little detail.* One easy to dismiss...not fart around with...whatever.* And fitting that it is buried with her.....as it represents the man who no longer exists either.* Their love died with her...and with his transformation.
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I was kind of hoping the jappor snippet would be passed down to Leia. Just something she was told belonged to her mother (kinda like Anakin's lightsaber being given to Luke). And just maybe it was with her instead of on Alderaan when the planet was destroyed. I know. Wishful thinking. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/satisfied.gif
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Me too - I was hoping that it might be secreted inside R2D2. Ah well.

[Suzanne (ex CoS Leia)]

When I posted earlier I had only read the last chapter. Now I've read Chapters 17 and 18 ...

Not having read Shatterpoint I perhaps do not appreciate the detail in that Chapter, so I was not as impressed with it as some might have been.

However Chapter 18 - whoa. For some reason I was expecting more detail (and from the trailer I assume that we will actually see more detail) when the clones turn, but the way the chapter was written was magnificent.

I'm still in tears.

[havinafett]

BAAAHH! I've read all but the last chapter on here...and I'm already spoiled, but should I read it? I cant decide. I wanted to save something... Ive never got chills from a book before...when Anakin becam Vader....wow...thats all I can say. I know I'm gonna cry at this movie.

[Luvinna]

18 was the chapter that got me the most. Particularly the part where Obi-Wan has escaped Utapu and is trying to find out if any other Jedi survived. I mean, to find out that you are possibly one of only two Jedi left after being betrayed by the clones... You could tell Obi-Wan was in shock when they were talking in the conference room. He thinks Anakin is dead, along with all the other Jedi. I can only imagine his reaction when he sees that holo of Anakin and the clones plowing through the Temple. That still shot that was released doesn't do it justice, I think.

[Suzanne (ex CoS Leia)]

Originally posted by Luvinna@Mar 25 2005, 01:46 PM
18 was the chapter that got me the most. Particularly the part where Obi-Wan has escaped Utapu and is trying to find out if any other Jedi survived. I mean, to find out that you are possibly one of only two Jedi left after being betrayed by the clones... You could tell Obi-Wan was in shock when they were talking in the conference room. He thinks Anakin is dead, along with all the other Jedi. I can only imagine his reaction when he sees that holo of Anakin and the clones plowing through the Temple. That still shot that was released doesn't do it justice, I think.
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I agree totally.

And I personally wouldn't take anyone under 12 to it ... or I'd make sure they watched the OT again asap afterwards. This is really heavy stuff.

[Luminara Skye]

I cannot wait for the novel to come out!! I read the scan of the last chapter, but I'm trying to not read the other chapters. I may have to hit the book stores this weekend in hopes that maybe someone has it out early. I know, I probably won't find it, but it can't hurt to look! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ohwell.gif

[Jacen Solo]

I think I can wait until the second. It's not too long, right?

[Suzanne (ex CoS Leia)]

Originally posted by Luuke_Skywalker@Mar 25 2005, 06:00 PM
I think I can wait until the second. It's not too long, right?
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It's way too long ... I want more. Now!

But I guess I'll have to wait a week or so.

[jedijaybird]

Lt. Lorth Needa (Captian Needa from ESB) is mentioned in the audio book during the battle over Coruscant

[Luvinna]

Originally posted by JSunday@Mar 24 2005, 06:45 AM
Apparently here's the sequence of things, according to the graphic novel:

The Opening Space Battle.
The Crash/Land in the Hangar.
Battle and Escape to the Fuel Room.
Discovery of the Chancellor.
Battle and Death of Dooku.
Captured by Droids.
Brought to Grievous.
Obi-Wan breaks Free.
The Ship Falls Out of Orbit.
Grievous Flees and Launches the Escape Pods.
The Ship Breaks and Crashes.
Windu greets them.
Anakin & Padme reunited.
Grievous Instructs the Loyalists on Utapau.
The Nightmare and Talk with Padme.
Obi/Mace/Yoda secret conference.
Obi warns Anakin to be careful.
Palpatine Appoints Anakin.
Mon/Bail/Padme meet to discuss.
The Jedi Council discuss.
Obi tells Anakin to Spy.
Yoda leaves for Kashyyyk.
The Morning Scene.
The Galaxies Opera House.
Obi confronts Padme.
Obi and Ani farewell.
Ani confronts Padme about Obi's confrontation.
Obi arrives on Utapau and gets Boga.
Obi battles and defeats Grievous.
Anakin Discovers Palpatine is a Sith Lord.
Obi sends word that Grievous is dead.
Anakin informs the council of Palpatine's identity.
The posse confronts Palpatine.
Anakin decides to follow.
Mace's Death Scene.
The Knighting of Lord Vader.
The Purge of the Jedi.
Bail Sees a Young One Slaughtered.
Anakin tells Padme what has happened.
Bail gets a hold of a Jedi Homing Beacon.
Yoda leaves Kashyyyk.
Obi leaves Utapau.
They meet with Bail and decide to go back the change the beacon.
Anakin slaughters the Separatists.
Palpatine announces the creation of the Empire.
Yoda and Obi return to the Temple, change the code and view the slaughter.
Obi confronts Padme again and then stows aboard her ship.
Yoda confronts Palpatine.
Padme arrives on Mustafar and the Battle Begins.
The Battle Continues between Yoda and Palps, Yoda falls among the pods.
Note: There is most likely more than is included in the Graphic Novel here, as it is not explained why/how Yoda leaves the chamber in the fight.
3P0 carries Padme aboard the ship while the duel continues.
Palpatine orders the clones to search for Yoda and leaves for Mustafar.
Yoda jumps into Bail's speeder.
The Battle Continues until the Defeat of Anakin.
Palpatine discovers Anakin.
Yoda confers with the spirit of Qui-Gon.
The Birth of the Twins.
Conference between Bail/Obi/Yoda.
Yoda Informs Obi about Qui.
Bail gives the droids to Antilles and has 3P0's memory wiped.
The Birth of Vader and the Noooooo!!!
Dagobah.
Space.
Alderaan.
Tatooine.
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Ok. What I want to know is during which of these times "Obi confronts Padme" does he learn A) she and Anakin are married, and 2) she's pregnant? Or does he find out some other way and that's why he "confronts" her?

[fred2]

He already knows by the beginning of the film. It's no big deal to him, so he keeps his mouth shut about it.

[Luminara Skye]

^That's what I assumed. Obi-Wan and Anakin are so close that I would think it's near impossible for Anakin to hide something like that from Obi-Wan.

[Luvinna]

But it's implied in Labyrinth of Evil that Obi-Wan still doesn't know about Anakin and Padme, and that book leads into the movie.

[T-bone]

Here, Luv.

[Luvinna]

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So it must be the second confrontation. Or maybe he doesn't find out until they get to Mustafar...

[jedijaybird]

Nice Avatar Luv… Baby Luke style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[Luvinna]

Originally posted by jedijaybird@Mar 25 2005, 07:02 PM
Nice Avatar Luv… Baby Luke style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif
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It was too cute to pass up. And it works great with a little modification to my member title. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif

[DonSwoosh]

He doesn't know that the father is Anakin until the second time they meet after Anakin has headed to Mustafar.

[Suzanne (ex CoS Leia)]

LOL @ the avatar Luvinna style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif

The early stages of the novelisation have many EU references, presumably many to Shatterpoint (the styles of use of lightsaber).

There are also many references to Jabim - was this Jedi trial?

Actually - I must go and look at Nathan's SWTG for summaries of these books ...

[Luminara Skye]

Jabim was in one of the comics. Praisytlin (or however it's spelled) was the planet in Jedi Trial.

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[Suzanne (ex CoS Leia)]

Originally posted by Luminara Skye@Mar 26 2005, 05:27 PM
Jabim was in one of the comics. Praisytlin (or however it's spelled) was the planet in Jedi Trial.

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[Razorback]

As I just posted in another thread... the book is a big downer. Well, the story is. If the movie is as sad as the book I think people will watch it once and avoid it like the plague! Not because it isn't good but because it is just too depressing.

This is not Titanic in space... this is the most depressing story ever in space. I never thought I would say this but maybe Lucas went too dark. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif I mean, people can't wait to see Vader, but when they see him they will see a man who had everything and threw it away for an empty box of tricks.

Anyway, I am going to cry myself to sleep now. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/vader.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/cry.gif

[T-bone]

* pictures Razorback home cradling his Padmé doll crying himself to sleep...

[MasterKyobi9d9]

Woah Razorback, is really THAT Dark and Depressing? i'm still sure I'll enjoy the movie but what are you saying?

[Razorback]

I think there are two main reasons why I felt it was such a downer:

1) It is the last Star Wars movie and we will never see another (probably).

2) I felt for Anakin, Padme, Obi-Wan, Yoda and crew... everytime the book would get to a "happy" moment, I knew what would come next. It is like Titanic in the sense that you know that everything is about to go to hell and these people don't know it. The difference is, the iceberg in this movie is hunting the ship and manipulating it into sinking.

"Don't worry, shippy... go to the left and everything will be ok! Yesssssss, come this way." It is actually very much like Smeagol leading the hobbits to Shelob, except in this version, she eats Frodo and the Ring stays in her belly. Then she taunts Samwise and stings him and slowly eats him alive.

[Luminara Skye]

Originally posted by Suzanne (ex CoS Leia)+Mar 26 2005, 04:15 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Suzanne (ex CoS Leia) @ Mar 26 2005, 04:15 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-Luminara Skye@Mar 26 2005, 05:27 PM
Jabim was in one of the comics.* Praisytlin (or however it's spelled) was the planet in Jedi Trial.*

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You are welcomed! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif

[Galaxica]

Is Anyone dissapointed that we will not see Qui-gon? I do not understand...
I was looking forward to seeing qui-gonn appear to Yoda like Obiwan did to Luke in the OT Does any one think it is possible?

[Darth Vile]

I agree that this is a movie that people are NOT going to want to come back to (apart from Star Wars fans). It is very dark, and the novel/graphic novel contains much of the same style of dialogue that TPM and AOTC contained e.g. political dealings and exposition. Bottom line is that if you didn't like TPM and AOTC, you are probably not going to like ROTS.

However, saying that, this is the movie that most fans have been screaming for... deep, moody and unforgiving. It looks likely that ROTS will be, even if a great movie, the most un-Star Wars like movie of the entire saga...

And Galaxica - if Qui Gon is not in ROTS, I will be very dissapointed by that (although it probably won't make ROTS any worse for it).

[GeneralDirection]

Originally posted by Galaxica@Mar 26 2005, 11:05 PM
Is Anyone dissapointed that we will not see Qui-gon?* I do not understand...
I was looking forward to seeing qui-gonn appear to Yoda like Obiwan did to Luke in the OT* Does any one think it is possible?
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Unfortunately, not seeing a Qui-Gon ghost does make sense in the context of the six movies. GL has set it up so that, in the prequel trilogy, the Jedi are unaware that it's possible for a Jedi to keep his identity after death. Notice that there are no ghosts wandering the corridors of the Jedi Temple, and no references to any life after death - powerful as he was, we will never hear Mace's voice - his consciousness is gone forever. When Yoda hears Qui-Gon's voice in AotC, it's the first time it's ever happened, the first time the Jedi are aware that it's possible. Now part of the Force, Qui-Gon understands it more, and is able to teach Obi-Wan and Yoda a deeper connection to it ... and in time, they are able to actually join it at will, and physically fade into it, keeping their consciousness and appearance. Qui-Gon didn't join the Force at will - he died, then found he had retained his consciousness - so he can't appear physically as a ghost, he's just a voice that Yoda can hear when he's in deep meditation. So we might hear him, but we probably won't see him.

[Dutch]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>I agree that this is a movie that people are NOT going to want to come back to (apart from Star Wars fans). It is very dark, and the novel/graphic novel contains much of the same style of dialogue that TPM and AOTC contained e.g. political dealings and exposition. Bottom line is that if you didn't like TPM and AOTC, you are probably not going to like ROTS.

[/b][/quote]

And here is what is going to happen: The movie will be absolutely fantastic, a great end of the PT and a perfect bridge to the OT where everything eventually gets set right again.

It will probably not, however, set the box office on fire because of the above reasons (just like Lucas himself has been saying for about 6 or 7 years now) and bashers will claim validation that the PT has been a major failure and disappointment.

[T-bone]

It'll pass EP2 for sure but unless people reallllly warm up to it for some weird reason (like they did to Titanic, which I still don't get... it wasn't THAT great) it won't make the top 5...but you never know.

It has a good shot at making 400mil domestic US, but who knows. Depends on if people are still interested in all this stuff.

The buzz is good however...and the media are all expressing that this is the one to see out of the three new films.

[Razorback]

Until I read the novel, I was sure it would pass Episode 2. I am not so sure now. Empire, until now, was the darkest and it made the least amount of money. This one is like 77 times darker.

Granted, the movie could end up being much lighter than the book. In that case, I think this movie will do very well.

[P-Ray]

Originally posted by T'bone@Mar 26 2005, 10:54 PM
It'll pass EP2 for sure but unless people reallllly warm up to it for some weird reason (like they did to Titanic, which I still don't get... it wasn't THAT great) it won't make the top 5...but you never know.

It has a good shot at making 400mil domestic US, but who knows. Depends on if people are still interested in all this stuff.

The buzz is good however...and the media are all expressing that this is the one to see out of the three new films.
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I don't get TITANIC either.

We also have to take into account what someone said earlier that this make not get the multiple viewings because it will be so dark and depressing.

[Razorback]

Titanic was a great movie. The bashing of that movie, now, has become very similar to the bashing of Star Wars. People naturally gravitate towards the negative with anything that becomes mega big. However, was Titanic $1.8 billion worldwide big? Well, apparently it was but when compared with other great movies its success is a surprise.

It had very little competition from December until March. It was a very well made movie (though I have only seen it twice) and had enough elements to make repeat viewings interesting for many people. The whole "teenaged girls went to see it multiple times" works for maybe a few hundred million, but the movie did as well as it did because Cameron constructed a great movie.

Reading Revenge, I can see how there are similarities to the two movies but where they really depart is in Anakin turning on Padme. If Jack had choked Rose I don't think Titanic does as well.

Anyway, as I said, the level of success will probably be determined by how dark the final edit of the movie ends up. If it is lighter than the book then I can see it doing well. If there are enough "cool" elements, that even out the dark, then it will do very well. Hopefully, they will inject a little bit of humor (as is in the book) even in the darkest areas.

I also think that where the movie will have an advantage over the book is in the subtle hints of what the characters are thinking. The book digs deep into the emotions of the main characters and I think that is what makes the book extra tragic. When Vader wakes up it is extremely pathetic/sad. I doubt very much that the movie will express that. The movie will probably just show Vader getting angry and the audience will have to guess at what he was thinking. That will "lighten" up the mood a bit. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[T-bone]

I'm not bashing the film. I honestly just didn't like it all that much. I certainly didn't think it was $600mil good. In fact, Lucas said the same thing in the EP1 documentary when talking to Frank Oz. He was saying something like, "Can you figure that one out?" and Oz was like, "Nope."

hehee..

[Suzanne (ex CoS Leia)]

Never seen Titanic and never plan to.

I'm only half way through the novelisation (although I have read the last chapter) but there are many more light moments in the early stages than I was expecting - and they are classic GL. It will be interesting to see what gets to screen and what doesn't, but I think that whilst it is extremely dark and the last half hour or so will be relentless, we will get to see the delivery of the new hope at the end, so we will definitely leave the cinema reminded of what is to come in the OT.

I haven't been anywhere near as excited about the previous two prequels as I have been about this one - and although many years have passed I think I am actually now looking forward to this one more than either of the OT sequels. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[Javen]

I don't care how dark it is. I wanna see it. I have seen dark films that were very depressing and were without much action. River's Edge comes to mind. At least ROTS has action and some humour and at the end a glimmer of hope. I also don't plan on reading the Novel of ROTS. Not because of what Razor said, but because of thinking one thing will happen and then that doesn't happen. I already know enough about it as it is.

It makes me already once after seeing the movie come home and see ANH right afterwards.

[Razorback]

Originally posted by T'bone@Mar 27 2005, 12:04 AM
I'm not bashing the film. I honestly just didn't like it all that much. I certainly didn't think it was $600mil good. In fact, Lucas said the same thing in the EP1 documentary when talking to Frank Oz. He was saying something like, "Can you figure that one out?" and Oz was like, "Nope."

hehee..
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They were talking about how it made so much money, not that it wasn't good. It made an insane amount of money (which I already said was a surprise). No one expected that. If you take Lucas' TPM comments in the negative then I guess he also thought ANH wasn't that good, since he compares Titanic's success to it. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[T-bone]

you are mr. literal, that's for sure.

i'm sure they were thinking the same thing - how did it make that much...it wasn't THAT great.

[The White Tuxedo]

Titanic came around at the right time I guess. Maybe audiences were just ready for another mega hit. I don't care for the film myself. L.A. Confidential should have been Best Picture. I like what someone called it, "Love Story meets The Poseidon Adventure". style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

Anyway, I've read the scans from that site and I like what I've seen. I can't wait for this novel and film.

[dvs]

please stop comparing star wars to that titanic crap.

[Razorback]

Originally posted by T'bone@Mar 27 2005, 01:19 AM
you are mr. literal, that's for sure.

Whatever you say.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>i'm sure they were thinking the same thing - how did it make that much...it wasn't THAT great.
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[/b][/quote]

I think you are just projecting what you want that to mean. Why would they put that on the TPM disk if that is what they meant? Because Lucas wants to offend James Cameron? Come on. The movie was expected to make $300 million, tops, worldwide. As Lucas said, no one can explain it. It is just one of those things.

[Darth Vile]

I think Lucas' comments re. the success of 'Titantic' were not a critisism of the movie, but a critisism of the media/establishment who are prepared to except 'Titanic' as a more serious piece of work over the likes of 'Star Wars', 'E.T' etc. I.e. not only was it a box office success, but got rewarded with multiple Oscars. Don't figure does it?

Regarding the success, or not, of ROTS. As long as I enjoy it (which I'm sure I will), I don't give a hoot about whether it returns a good box office or not. Indeed, the darker the story the more likely I'll really enjoy it. My only problem is having to deal with all the multiple plebs who'll be ridiculing the PT whilst praising 'Spiderman' etc. The amount of arguments I've had with people over their derision of TPM is next only to politics and the state of popular music (sad I know).

[Suzanne (ex CoS Leia)]

Well, I'm more than 3/4 through the book - and still no sign of Jar Jar.

Does anyone have any idea at what stage he is meant to be in the movie because I can't imagine him being in the book from this point on...?

[Master Magnus]

Oh, has the novelization already been delivered to so many people? I thought only a handful of copies had been shipped.

[empire21]

Good question, I don't have one yet.

[Dutch]

Someone who had read the novel, can you answer this one for me:

What exactly happens to Palpatine in the fight with Mace that makes him look like the Emp? Did he always look like that and he was just somehow masking himself to everyone, or did the lightning actually disfigure him physically?

[DonSwoosh]

Hey razorback, is the scene where Anakin and Yoda talk in the novel? I know it's not in the graphic novel and I understand that it was added during reshoots late last year...I was just curious to know if it was in the novel at all...because to me it seems like a pretty important scene in that Anakin basically begs Yoda for answers to his visions and again Yoda gives him the same speech that Obi-Wan technically gives him all the time. That is in direct contrast to what Palpatine tells Anakin later on in the Galaxies Theatre scene.

And it's not too farfetched to understand why Anakin makes his choice because, it's clear the Jedi Order aren't going to help with these visions(not knowing that Anakin has had problems with this sort of thing in the previous film) whereas Palpatine at least offers a solution (even though he's probably lying).

I've read alot of peoples opinions on the net stating they can't understand why Anakin chooses Palpatine. There are many factors as to why he makes the choice he makes but that scene with Yoda is pivotal.

[Darth Raven]

I can't wait for my book, all this talk on the chapters is making me giddy!!

[Bretsch]

Originally posted by DonSwoosh@Mar 27 2005, 02:12 PM
Hey razorback, is the scene where Anakin and Yoda talk in the novel? I know it's not in the graphic novel and I understand that it was added during reshoots late last year...I was just curious to know if it was in the novel at all...because to me it seems like a pretty important scene in that Anakin basically begs Yoda for answers to his visions and again Yoda gives him the same speech that Obi-Wan technically gives him all the time. That is in direct contrast to what Palpatine tells Anakin later on in the Galaxies Theatre scene.

And it's not too farfetched to understand why Anakin makes his choice because, it's clear the Jedi Order aren't going to help with these visions(not knowing that Anakin has had problems with this sort of thing in the previous film) whereas Palpatine at least offers a solution (even though he's probably lying).

I've read alot of peoples opinions on the net stating they can't understand why Anakin chooses Palpatine. There are many factors as to why he makes the choice he makes but that scene with Yoda is pivotal.
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True, that's why it was added later on. GL needed a powerfull reason to explain why Anakin turned, much more powerfull than those sporadic bursts of the dark side, like the killing of the tusken riders in AOTC; that alone was not enough to turn him into Vader, so yes the scene described is pivotal.

[DonSwoosh]

But is it in the novel though? I'm not sure alot of people who have read the GN or the novel know about this scene?

[Darth Darthy]

The GN doesn't explain anything. We've been lead to believe from spoilers that Mace deflects Palpatines Force lightening back into his own face but neither of them specify this. The GN gives the impression that it's Palpatines overuse of the Darksde that gives him this appearence. These are pages 56 and 57. The comic doesn't really flow or explain this - much like the rest of the comic.

[Galaxica]

Is it me? or does baby Luke have really girlish lips...


ok everyone I thought that Empire strikes back made more money.. I mean what the hell? everyone wanted to go see what the big secret was.

[QUOTE] the book is a big downer. Well, the story is. If the movie is as sad as the book I think people will watch it once and avoid it like the plague! Not because it isn't good but because it is just too depressing.

This is not Titanic in space... this is the most depressing story ever in space. I never thought I would say this but maybe Lucas went too dark. I mean, people can't wait to see Vader, but when they see him they will see a man who had everything and threw it away for an empty box of tricks.

Yes true enough razorback but people may come back to see this Movie for Anikan and the choices he makes.

By the way.... Who is to say this film has to do well in theaters to do good?
there is always VHS and DVD rentals and sales!!!


you all name me one film that didnt do well in theatres but has a cult following and will always be remembered for all time.


This is the Last star wars movie I really hope that it does well... Even if it is that depressing I don't care!!! I will go see it like 20 times anyways!!






Also what do you think of this part of the duel (from MF.com btw) ....
You hesitate. The flaw of compassion." - Anakin

"It's not compassion, Anakin. It's reverence for life." - Obi-Wan

"It's not compassion, Anakin. It's reverence for life. (new:) Even yours. It's respect for the man you were. (sighs) It's regret for the man you should have been." - Obi-Wan

Anakin roared and flew at him.

Anakin used both the Force and his body to slam Obi-Wan into the wall.

He grabbed both of Obi-Wan's wrists an impossibly strong grip.

"I AM SO SICK OF YOUR LECTURES!" - Anakin

ohh dear that last line I thought kind of sucks.

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[Suzanne (ex CoS Leia)]

Originally posted by DonSwoosh@Mar 28 2005, 05:09 AM
But is it in the novel though? I'm not sure alot of people who have read the GN or the novel know about this scene?
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Yes it's in the novel - not just as the primary scene but with Yoda's response being a continuing pivotal part of what drives Anakin towards the dark choice.

[Suzanne (ex CoS Leia)]

Originally posted by Dutch@Mar 28 2005, 01:24 AM
Someone who had read the novel, can you answer this one for me:

What exactly happens to Palpatine in the fight with Mace that makes him look like the Emp? Did he always look like that and he was just somehow masking himself to everyone, or did the lightning actually disfigure him physically?
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There doesn't seem to be any clear indication except that at the end of the battle, and after Palpatine talks to Anakin, he goes to look in the mirror and notices the change.

[YTMND]

No,when you read it,it says while Mace is using his Vapaad technique he uses it as a conductor almost and reverses the flow of lightning back to Palpatine.

Thus disfiguring his face.

[Master Magnus]

Hmm, but Sidious also refers to "the face of Palpatine" and "the face of Sidious" and that "the mask becomes the man". There are no indications whatsoever that Force lightning in itself causes disfigurement. Luke wasn't disfigured in ROTJ, despite the prolonged exposure to Force lightning. My interpretation is that this is how Sidious really looks (his inward appearance has replaced his outward appearance).

[ogfletcher]

I've read the postings of the novel. Assuming they are correct, if you read the text carefully it suggests that Palpatine was using his darkside powers to appear like that as Sidious. Now, as a result of his fight with Mace, His (Palpatine's) appearence ("the man") matches the appearence of Sidious ("the mask").

[jedijaybird]

Welcome to the GS OGFletcher!!! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/bye.gif

[mtilden]

Originally posted by Master Magnus@Mar 28 2005, 10:09 AM
Hmm, but Sidious also refers to "the face of Palpatine" and "the face of Sidious" and that "the mask becomes the man". There are no indications whatsoever that Force lightning in itself causes disfigurement. Luke wasn't disfigured in ROTJ, despite the prolonged exposure to Force lightning. My interpretation is that this is how Sidious really looks (his inward appearance has replaced his outward appearance).
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Remember your theology: the devil always gives himself 'a pleasing shape', thus I think we can conclude that the twisted, deformed Sidious we see is the 'real guy', and the nice, attractive 'Palpatine' is a disguise, the 'pleasing shape' adopted for the purpose of carrying out deception.

[Suzanne (ex CoS Leia)]

It just occurred to me that General Tarrful and Chewbacca did not rate a mention in the book - and the wookiees were barely referred to.

It would appear that there will be more in the movie than is in the book in at least this respect (and the deaths of Aayla Secure and KiAdi Mundi, which we know we are going to see, are not specifically referred to either) - so there may still be more of which we are unaware as well.

There's still room for more spoilers even after reading the book! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

[Darth Holmes]

^ Interesting point.

[Suzanne (ex CoS Leia)]

For once Australia has the book in advance of the release date - and I now have my copy.

I so much prefer to have the printed version there in front of me. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

[Luminara Skye]

I need to run to the store today and check to see if they have the book out a little early. I cannot wait to get my hands on that book!! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/happydance.gif

[T-bone]

They didn't mention chewbacca? Do they explain how Yoda got off Kashyyyk?

Weird.

[Master Magnus]

^I don't like that they're absent from the novelization. Oh well, you can't always get what you want, but I think it's strange.

[Nathan Butler]

Just finished the unabridged audiobook. Ah, what a piece of beauty that was.

I was stuck too by the absence of Aayla, Chewie, and Tarfful.

T: They sorta deal with how he gets off Kashyyyk, but only in that they see him leaving in the little escape pod vehicle and pick him up.

To me, the more interesting thing not yet answered has to be the whole notion that Plagueis could create life from nothing by manipulating midichlorians. That sure sounds like Anakin's conception to me.

[T-bone]

I think that's a lie manufactured by Palpatine, actually. Or a half-lie because Palpatine knows about Anakin...just my thoughts but could be wrong.

[Luminara Skye]

Originally posted by Suzanne (ex CoS Leia)@Mar 28 2005, 10:57 PM
It just occurred to me that General Tarrful and Chewbacca did not rate a mention in the book - and the wookiees were barely referred to.
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I can't believe they aren't mentioned. It's not like it was something added last minute! I wonder why... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ohwell.gif

[JediRecon]

Originally posted by T'bone@Mar 30 2005, 12:23 PM
I think that's a lie manufactured by Palpatine, actually. Or a half-lie because Palpatine knows about Anakin...just my thoughts but could be wrong.
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style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/vader.gif :"Now why would Palpatine lie to Anakin? He's trying to get Anakin to join him. He needs to build trust by telling him the truth. I happen to think Palpatine has Anakin's true interests at heart. Why do you distrust him? Why accuse him of lies?" style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/victory.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/beer.gif

[T-bone]

Wow - you really don't know much about the Sith, do ya?

[Luminara Skye]

...or politicians! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

[Bretsch]

Originally posted by T'bone@Mar 30 2005, 10:49 AM
They didn't mention chewbacca? Do they explain how Yoda got off Kashyyyk?

Weird.
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Now thats a real pussler.......I wonder why?

[JediRecon]

Originally posted by Luminara Skye@Mar 30 2005, 01:37 PM
...or politicians!* style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif
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style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/vader.gif "Those guys are great! Especially when given a leader who makes them sit, talk things out, and come to an agreement. No one leaves until they all agree. They must agree on the right things however...make the right decisions...Palpatine (or T'bone?) knows best!" style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/royalguard.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/holosid.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/royalguard.gif

[Luminara Skye]

^ style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rofl.gif

[Bretsch]

^^Is he on something? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wacko.gif

Could someone please explain? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/hehe.gif

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[JediRecon]

Originally posted by Darth Bretsch@Mar 30 2005, 02:20 PM
^^Is he on something?

Could someone please explain?
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style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/vader.gif "You didn't vote for the military creation act, did you Senator?...Did you vote for the emergency powers for our leader, Supreme Chancellor T'bone?...perhaps a committee should look into your voting record...I hope you're not trying to start a rebellion in this senate!" style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/vader.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/saber.gif




style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue2.gif (that was fun...now back to the novelization.)

[Luminara Skye]

Thanks, JediRecon! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbsup.gif

By the way, I'm a she! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/bow.gif

style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

[JediRecon]

Originally posted by Luminara Skye@Mar 30 2005, 05:02 PM
Thanks, JediRecon!

By the way, I'm a she!

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You're welcome. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif I noticed, but I think Darth Bretsch was referring to me and I'm a he! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/victory.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/beer.gif

[Bretsch]

Indeed I was.
And I think SHE's been right all along. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif


Good speech by the way, you almost made me run away looking for help. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

[JediRecon]

Originally posted by Darth Bretsch@Mar 30 2005, 05:09 PM
Good speech by the way, you almost made me run away looking for help. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif
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style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/vader.gif "Yesss....run senator, run back to your little rebellion..."

[Luminara Skye]

Originally posted by Darth Bretsch@Mar 30 2005, 03:09 PM
Indeed I was.
And I think SHE's been right all along. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif


Good speech by the way, you almost made me run away looking for help. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif
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Oh, my bad! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ohwell.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

[TDR141]

Does anyone think that maybe the novel doesn't have everything that's in the movie? Like something that George Lucas wants to keep under wraps until the movie comes out? For example, I heard that C3P0 has the last line in the movie, but from what I've seen it's not that way in the novel.

[Darth Holmes]

Originally posted by TDR141@Mar 30 2005, 10:59 PM
Does anyone think that maybe the novel doesn't have everything that's in the movie? Like something that George Lucas wants to keep under wraps until the movie comes out? For example, I heard that C3P0 has the last line in the movie, but from what I've seen it's not that way in the novel.
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Thats more of an editing thing though. Usually the novel has little more detail than the movie.

[Suzanne (ex CoS Leia)]

Originally posted by Darth Holmes+Mar 31 2005, 04:06 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Darth Holmes @ Mar 31 2005, 04:06 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-TDR141@Mar 30 2005, 10:59 PM
Does anyone think that maybe the novel doesn't have everything that's in the movie? Like something that George Lucas wants to keep under wraps until the movie comes out? For example, I heard that C3P0 has the last line in the movie, but from what I've seen it's not that way in the novel.
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Thats more of an editing thing though. Usually the novel has little more detail than the movie.
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[/b][/quote]

Indeed - C3PO's last line is in the book - it's just that the scene is in a different order to what it seems we will see in the final film.

But I have no doubt that there will be a few little extras given what I said earlier about crucial scenes with Aayla Secura, Ki-Adi-Mundi, Chewbacca and Tarrful not being in the book.

[Luminara Skye]

Originally posted by Suzanne (ex CoS Leia)@Mar 31 2005, 01:13 AM
But I have no doubt that there will be a few little extras given what I said earlier about crucial scenes with Aayla Secura, Ki-Adi-Mundi, Chewbacca and Tarrful not being in the book.
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I wonder why those parts were cut out of the book. Usually, the book has more than what's in the movie. We all knew Chewie would be in it since before principle photography... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/scratchchin.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ohwell.gif

[Bretsch]

^Indeed. Makes you wonder, doesn't it?

I can't really see the point of those scenes not being in the book, or how it got to happen. Anyway, I'm shure the book will have things that are not in the movie, and viceversa.

[JediRecon]

Originally posted by Darth Bretsch@Mar 31 2005, 12:13 PM
^Indeed. Makes you wonder, doesn't it?

I can't really see the point of those scenes not being in the book, or how it got to happen. Anyway, I'm shure the book will have things that are not in the movie, and viceversa.
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Spoiled we may be...but know the entire movie we do not! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/y.gif

[lurch_addams]

those chapters from the rots book were very cool i enjoyed reading them.cant wait to read more,if there are any.

[RebelRoss0587]

http://metromix.chicagotribune.com/news/ce...-celebrity_heds (http://metromix.chicagotribune.com/news/celebrity/sns-ap-books-star-wars,0,1977969.story?coll=mmx-celebrity_heds)


Fantasy Writer Gets a Touch of 'Star Wars'


By HILLEL ITALIE
AP National Writer


NEW YORK -- For much of April, fantasy writer Matthew Woodring Stover will be on a book tour that should require only two words to bring in hundreds of fans at each stop: "Star Wars."

"Star Wars: Episode III -- Revenge of the Sith," which spells out the last dark steps the once goodhearted, young Anakin Skywalker takes to become the villain Darth Vader, opens in theaters May 19. The film brings full circle the mammoth sci-fi saga director George Lucas began in 1977 with "Star Wars."




But those who want a "Sith" fix right away can read Stover's book, a novelized version of the script published by Del Ray, an imprint of Random House, Inc. Most "novelizations" are issued in paperback, but Del Ray has enough confidence in "Revenge of the Sith" to release it in hardcover, with an announced first printing of 650,000 -- far bigger than the tie-ins to such hits as "Men in Black."

"This is a blockbuster, even by blockbuster standards," says Micha Hershman, a buyer for the superstore chain Borders Group Inc. "I think it's because of the story. This is what everybody has been waiting for, the return of Darth Vader, the real Darth Vader."

Since the first "Star Wars" film, a veritable galaxy of related products has grown around it, from online video games to a "Supreme Edition Chewbacca Adult Costume." In publishing, few other movies can claim such a franchise. Between novelizations, spin-off series and other titles, more than 70 million "Star Wars" books are in print, according to Howard Roffman, president of Lucas Licensing.

Like other novelizations, Stover's book was made possible through close cooperation among the author, the publisher and the filmmakers. Stover began writing the novel in the fall of 2003 and finished the following summer. Revisions were dictated both by the editing process, including a line-by-line review by Lucas, and by changes in the script itself.

"What you had was primarily alteration in the order of certain scenes," Stover says, "although in the beginning of the film, there were several events removed that I had spent a long time trying to shoe horn into the novel. But they were removed for a very good reason: They didn't fit."

Stover acknowledges that the novel gives away much of the film's story, but doesn't worry that fans will be satisfied by the book alone. He considers "Star Wars" a modern myth, less about a surprise plot twist than about the experience, shared with millions, of seeing a story told over and over.

"Look at how much we know already: We know that Anakin Skywalker becomes Darth Vader. We know that the republic falls and becomes the empire. We know that Anakin is horribly burned and can only survive by being encased in the armor that enables him to live as Darth Vader," Stover says.

Numerous fantasy writers have written "Star Wars" novels, including James Luceno, whose "Labyrinth of Evil" is a prequel to "Episode III," and R.A. Salvatore, who wrote the novelization of "Episode II." Stover himself has written a "Star Wars" spinoff book, "Shatterpoint."

"Star Wars" is far greater than any one "novelizer," but writers do leave their own marks. According to Howard Roffman, Stover brought a dark touch appropriate to "Revenge of the Sith" and an appreciation of the characters' inner lives.

"For `Episode I' and `Episode II,' the novels expanded upon the story in the film," Roffman says. "For this film, Matthew thought it would be more interesting to get into the heads of the characters. `Episode III' is so much more about character motivation."

Stover, 43, grew up in Illinois and is a Chicago resident who saw the first "Star Wars" movie at least 20 times in movie theaters alone and "The Empire Strikes Back" 28 times, on a 70 mm print. He has written several books, including "The Blade of Tyshalle," "Iron Dawn" and "Jericho Moon."

He acknowledges that "Revenge of the Sith" is "Lucas' baby" and that writing the book will not bring him blockbuster wealth, at least right away: Stover says he received an advance just under $100,000 and a royalty scale he describes as "small."

"But it raises my profile in a way no other single project could," says Stover, whose other books have only sold a fraction of his "Star Wars" fiction. "This takes me from being a respected, but little-known fantasy writer to being one of the best known fantasy writers in America. That's something you can't figure in dollars and cents."

[JSunday]

"Here's the best news I can report after leafing (okay, TEARING) through Matthew Stover's novelization of STAR WARS: REVENGE OF THE SITH (Del Rey, $25.95): The words "Jar Jar" appear only once, and not until page 370. There are other promising signs of what we'll see in theaters May 19. Don't worry. I'll keep this spoiler free for those who prefer to remain in the dark. But speaking of dark, this installment certainly is. Instead of merry Gungans and talk about how annoying sand is, SITH is about a galaxy and one of its heroes sinking into the abyss. While words have never been George Lucas' strong suit (need I remind you about the sand?), Stover does a fine job of fleshing out the screenplay-especially once you get past a predictably plodding 25 page space battle-by delving into Anakin's inner demons and the forces(no pun intended) pulling him in opposite directions. How it all translates to the big screen (once 12 trillion special effects are added) remains to be seen, but so far, the outlook is impressive. Most impressive. B+ -Dalton Ross"

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[Darth Darthy]

That's something that never translates well to word though - space battles. They always manage to be tedious and a little more then confusing.

[JSunday]

Battles in general, methinks. I read it for the internalizations of the characters and the dialogue. Period.

[trooper1138]

I can't wait to get the book tomorrow. I'll be going to Walmart Store #1138.

It's a sign!