"Well Calrisian, Did He Survive?" [Archive]

Tovor

03-22-2005, 09:16 PM

Kam Solusar

03-22-2005, 09:23 PM

Laziness?

Also, it's more of a plot driven dialogue anyways. That way Lando can check and make the statement "in perfect hibernation," or what not. From a purely logistical standpoint that makes a bit more sense.

Justin

03-22-2005, 10:51 PM

Maybe he did it for the benefit of everyone else, including the audience.

Tovor

03-22-2005, 11:22 PM

Originally posted by Kam Solusar@Mar 22 2005, 08:23 PM
Laziness?

Also, it's more of a plot driven dialogue anyways. That way Lando can check and make the statement "in perfect hibernation," or what not. From a purely logistical standpoint that makes a bit more sense.
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Originally posted by Justin@Mar 22 2005, 09:51 PM
Maybe he did it for the benefit of everyone else, including the audience.
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Of course, it was for our benefit that we'd understand he was alive and in hybernation. Certain lines of dialogue need to be said sometimes just to get the info across to the viewer. But from a story standpoint, a man of that strength, who could see the future before it happens and see his mother in pain from across the galaxy, should be able to detect or "feel" the vital signs of a man lying less than a dozen feet from him.

Justin

03-23-2005, 01:45 AM

Well I was saying he probably knew but was telling Lando to check so that everyone else there could see.

Tovor

03-23-2005, 01:49 AM

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Bandersnatch

03-23-2005, 09:22 AM

Also, it was Lando's facility and Lando's equipment. Vader is impatient, and just quickly asked. It was easier that way.

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Senator_Ryno_Of_Bespin

03-23-2005, 03:37 PM

style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/artoo.gif Or maybe a little thing called thats how lucas wrote it.

bigsllim

03-23-2005, 07:21 PM

for the audience and other character's benefit it was.

Nothing more will I teach you. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/y.gif

I thought that people were a little harder to read through the force when they were unconcious. If this were the case, why even try? Make Lando get on his knees and check.....The Dark Lord of the Sith has no time for such petty concerns. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/victory.gif

Javen

03-23-2005, 08:15 PM

Originally posted by Tovor@Mar 22 2005, 08:16 PM
I had a curious thought. If Vader was so powerful through the Force, why did he need to ask Lando if Han survived the carbon freeze? He should have been able to sense instantly whether he was dead or alive.
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It is quite obvious. Some carbon leaked and it clouded Vader's vision. I mean carbon does cloud everything.

RebelRoss0587

03-23-2005, 09:27 PM

haha, probably just laziness.

Sam Kenobi

03-23-2005, 09:54 PM

Originally posted by Senator_Ryno_Of_Bespin@Mar 23 2005, 11:37 AM
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Well obviously. But as you can see in one of Tovor's posts, he said that he understood that. We're looking for the in universe explanation.

Sargoth

03-24-2005, 01:01 AM

Hmmm, good question. And I agree that it was nothing more than to "move the dialog along". But since I *am* a geek....

Solo was in a state of "perfect hibernation" when he was frozen. Think about our normal processes: Metabolism, breathing, heartbeat - they would all have to be slowed down to a sub-crawl in order to preserve Han indefinitely.

Also, the controls on the carbonite shell (I belive) were part of Han's life support. They would handle the task of keeping him alive. Vader perhaps couldn't detect either Han's dramatically slowed vitals, or he couldn't distinguish between Han's respiration/heartbeat and those provided by the carbonite life support. The life support could have easily been oxygenating a corpse!

Obi-Stu

03-24-2005, 09:11 AM

Maybe one can't feel everything through the force, and also it shows that Vader is issuing the orders...

Kam Solusar

03-24-2005, 11:17 AM

Also, maybe it's hard to sense things through carbonite with the Force?

Sargoth

03-25-2005, 12:12 AM

Originally posted by Kam Solusar@Mar 24 2005, 08:17 AM
Also, maybe it's hard to sense things through carbonite with the Force?
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Yeah, kinda like how superman can't see through lead...

... Ok, I'm starting to sound *way* too much like Comic Book Guy.

Sam Kenobi

03-25-2005, 06:50 AM

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Also, maybe it's hard to sense things through carbonite with the Force?
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Yeah, kinda like how superman can't see through lead...

... Ok, I'm starting to sound *way* too much like Comic Book Guy.
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I remember now. Here's an EU explanation. In Darth Maul: Shadow Hunter. The main character (who owned the droid that shows up in the MedStar Duology, and had the child who was a Jedi, I don't remember his name) froze himself in carbonite to avoid being detected by Maul. I don't remember more than that, but there's the answer.

Ithorian guy

03-25-2005, 01:23 PM

maybe he was just using most of his jedi powers to locate luke at the time and didnt wast them on detecting hans life signs

Anguirus111

03-25-2005, 01:30 PM

It was probably just to double check to be absolutely certain that Han was alive. And remember, just because Han survived the freezing process doesn't indicate that he could necessarily survive it for very long if he wasn't in perfect hibernation. I don't think Vader could sense that so he asked Calrissian and Lando said he was in perfect hybernation so Vader was satisified and that was that.

darth bangkok

03-25-2005, 02:11 PM

it would have been cool if boba fett said "is he alive?"

vader: yes, and in perfect hibernation

then lando bends down and checks and verifies it like he does in ESB

RollaFett

03-25-2005, 08:49 PM

That would've been cool. My man Fett, with another line. Too bad it didn't happen. Damn.

lilgrasshoppah

03-31-2005, 10:06 PM

Vader was not above a little pettiness and sarcasm, now and then just to lively up the banter (to whit)... "I find your lack disturbing..."

Lando was quite dubious on whether Han would survive or not. Vader rubbed Lando's cute lil nose in it, when Han pulled through, "in perfect hibernation. That's the trouble with dark lords... they are often complete *******s.

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Spanky19

04-05-2005, 10:02 AM

He may have been a Sith,but he wasn't God.

Obitwokenobi

04-05-2005, 11:41 PM

I thought he was just kind of rubbing it in Lando's face.

"I own you now, b****! Say goodbye to your friend."

Sarah-Leia

11-22-2006, 10:51 PM

it would have been cool if boba fett said "is he alive?"

vader: yes, and in perfect hibernation

then lando bends down and checks and verifies it like he does in ESB

Yeah, that WOULD be cool. It would make a lot more sense. :bigsmile: :lol: :cool:

MandalorianJF

11-23-2006, 01:36 AM

I had a curious thought. If Vader was so powerful through the Force, why did he need to ask Lando if Han survived the carbon freeze? He should have been able to sense instantly whether he was dead or alive.

Well I read this book called "Star Wars Darth Maul Shadow Hunter" and in that book this guy froze himself in carbonat so Maul would not be able to sens his presents, and Maul did not, Maul thought he was dead.

So I guess you can not sens living things when they are in carbonat.

MandalorianJF

11-23-2006, 01:45 AM

it would have been cool if boba fett said "is he alive?"

vader: yes, and in perfect hibernation

then lando bends down and checks and verifies it like he does in ESB

I don't know about you people, but I just can not imagine Vader saying "yes, and in perfect hibernation". Sorry just can't.

Solo

11-23-2006, 02:33 AM

Well first of all Vader is a Sith Lord, not God. There are limits to his powers. I mean even Jedi can not affect some races and do some tricks against some people, right. Qui-Gon failed to affect Watto and Luke failed to affect Jabba, etc.

May be Vader could not see into the carbonite. May be loosing force for basic things which can be easily done by others was not a good idea and one more thing. Jabba wanted Han and probably vader asked the question just to convince Bobba Fett (and audience, of course) that Han was still alive. Also it would have been easy for Vader to sense Lando's lie, if he dared to lie.

DblDwn

11-25-2006, 03:05 PM

MandalorianJF

11-25-2006, 06:14 PM

[quote=MandalorianJF;798991]in that book this guy froze himself in carbonat so Maul would not be able to sens his presents[quote]

Was Maul trying to peak under the tree or something? :tease:

Sorry. Couldn't help myself. :bigsmile:

No, he was fighting a jedi ( don't remember the name) and after he was done he was supposed to kill the guy but there was an explosion and Maul thought that he was dead and was not able to sense his presents.

MasterJedi12

11-29-2006, 06:00 PM

Well first of all Vader is a Sith Lord, not God. There are limits to his powers. I mean even Jedi can not affect some races and do some tricks against some people, right. Qui-Gon failed to affect Watto and Luke failed to affect Jabba, etc.
Jedi Mind tricks only work on the weak minded.

May be Vader could not see into the carbonite. May be loosing force for basic things which can be easily done by others was not a good idea and one more thing. Jabba wanted Han and probably vader asked the question just to convince Bobba Fett (and audience, of course) that Han was still alive. Also it would have been easy for Vader to sense Lando's lie, if he dared to lie.
Jedi cannot sense all things. There may be a trickle but sometimes it is brushed off.

MandalorianJF

11-30-2006, 09:16 PM

Jedi Mind tricks only work on the weak minded.

CORECT!!!

Solo

12-01-2006, 02:48 AM

I KNOW, that Jedi mind tricks only affect the weak minded.

However, I am sure I read somewhere that some races do not get affected by Jedi mind tricks even if the Jedi is trying to influence a weak minded one.