Did Han Kill Greedo

[Handothrawn]

It may seem like a stuid question, but you can see that after Han blasts Greedo, you can see another Rodian wearing the exact same clothes with Jabba, and right after Luke sells his speeder and walks off, a Rodian, wearing the same clothes as Greedo walks by, is it Greedo, I say yes.

[Darth Whaler]

Hmmm, interesting. I'll have to check that out. Maybe Rodians are conformists and dress alike. Or maybe it's the Bounty Hunter School uniform. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[X-3PO]

How many times has this question been covered? Anywho, let me explain, you see there are several Rodians who have similar or the same outfit as Greedo, it was a very hip style during the time of ANH and Greedo got caught up in the hype along with several of his Rodian friends. You can see more of these fashion hip Rodians in the Special Edition when Jabba is talking to Han and all around Mos Eisley. Well anywho, that is not Greedo you see later, hope that helps.

P.S. it is called low budget, not enough costumes.

[Brian]

Here's your proof.

"At blaster point, the Rodian demanded Solo pay his debt to Jabba. Solo claimed he didn't have the money with him. Greedo had lost his patience, and opened fire. His shot missed; it was the last mistake Greedo would make. Solo opened fire with his powerful blaster pistol, ripping through the cantina table and the Rodian's chest."

Source: starwars.com (http://www.starwars.com/databank/character/greedo/index.html)

[QuigonWindu]

Well that proves that.

[X-3PO]

I'd say so. Poor Greedo, I really liked him too.

[MegoHulk]

Also Jabba says "why did you have to fry poor Greedo?"

It would have been cool if GL left the Greedo scene from TPM in.

[JediBendu]

it was a very hip style during the time of ANH and Greedo got caught up in the hype along with several of his Rodian friends
:roll:

It would have been cool if GL left the Greedo scene from TPM in

I didn't like it myself - way too contrived, especially now that Boba has been insterted in a similar way.
Greedo isn't that popular.

[X-3PO]

Well I think the scene should have been kept in just to show that Anakin had some anger issues. He seems to goody goody in TPM, and it would have been nice to see him putting the smack down on Greedo. And Greedo will always be popular in my heart. http://65.68.63.156/mysmilies/contrib/ruinkai/biggrinangelA.gif

[Brian]

Originally posted by X-3PO@Dec 14 2002, 12:41 PM
Well I think the scene should have been kept in just to show that Anakin had some anger issues.
That's exaclty why GL shot the scene (according to the deleted scenes commentary). But because of pacing, etc. they took it out.

[mtilden]

It is a cool scene, but not strictly necessary in the larger scheme of things. The movie already does a good job of showing Anakin's "problems" when he is interrogated by the Jedi council. The problem with this scene is that it is too explicit. It is better to be subtle, beating people over the head with these things is never smart, and adding this scene to the whole movie is a little overdoing it. Make your point with a word processor, not a sledgehammer. We get the point already, move on.
There was a similar scene involving Palpatine that was cut too. After Valorum is removed, we saw the Chancellor talking to Palpatine and say "Palpatine, how could you do this, you have betrayed me" or words to that effect. It showed that Palpatine was ruthless, and would cast aside years of friendship to satisfy his ambition. But they edited it out, because they felt that there was already enough there to make the audience suspicious of Palpatine, there was no need to beat them over the head with it.

[JediBendu]

ya - the line "your guidence more than my patience" speaks volumes as to Palpatine's true motives.

I think Anakin fighting in tpm would have ruined it - he's protrayed as this darling little angel, and you even feel for him when the Council rejects him. He needs to be set up as 'good' in the first to prove that there is some 'good left in him', otherwise, he's born a Sith, and died a Sith

[spaceman2386]

i think they just like wearing the save thing, like jedi. see Jedi Undercover (http://www.galacticsenate.com/index.php?act=ST&f=15&t=2385)

[Jerik Solo]

style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif Who cares if Greedo died. How is that in anyway finitesimal

[X-3PO]

I think Anakin fighting in tpm would have ruined it - he's protrayed as this darling little angel,

This is exactally why I think it would have been nice to see that scene back in the movie. He seemed too good, it was a little unbeleivable that he will one day grow up and kill everyone. I would have liked just a touch more evil in the boy.

[Dark Prince]

I agree with you,X-3PO. Anakin looks like a goody 2 shoes in TPM when in the OT he kills everyone that was in his way style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/eh.gif

[Mann]

Yeah, the scene was good. Infact, I laughed when they said it was Greedo. It would have slowed the film down, but it would have given TPM a soul at least!

[X-3PO]

Yes! Out of all the scenes they cut, that one is the only one that should have stayed, it took some time I suppose, but it would have shown alot in that short time. But I think that the particular take that is on the DVD is not the best, perhaps a reshoot would have been in order if it were to find it's way into the movie.

[JediBendu]

He seemed too good, it was a little unbeleivable that he will one day grow up and kill everyone.

but that's the whole point -

'You should be very proud of your son, he gives without any thought of reward'
'Well, he knows nothing of greed.' - qui-gon, shmi, tpm

which is then re-enforced by his redemption in the last film of the series:

'There is still good in him' - luke, roj


Yeah, the scene was good. Infact

it was awful!!!

[X-3PO]

Then in that case I think the scene should be left in becuase it makes Vader look like a pansy! Big black suit, scary voice, but deep down inside he is just a little kid who says stupid S**t like "Are you and angel?" I think the scene should have played just to show that he had a temper.

'Well, he knows nothing of greed.' - qui-gon, shmi, tpm

This is true, but the fight he got into was about Greedo saying he cheated, it didn't have anything to do with greed. It just showed that little Ani had a temper, which I think would have been nice in the development of Darth Vader.

[echoseven]

Originally posted by X-3PO@Dec 9 2002, 06:23 PM
How many times has this question been covered? Anywho, let me explain, you see there are several Rodians who have similar or the same outfit as Greedo, it was a very hip style during the time of ANH and Greedo got caught up in the hype along with several of his Rodian friends. You can see more of these fashion hip Rodians in the Special Edition when Jabba is talking to Han and all around Mos Eisley. Well anywho, that is not Greedo you see later, hope that helps.

P.S. it is called low budget, not enough costumes.
That's the best explanation..... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

[Mann]

hey, 10 million dollars went a long way in 1977.

[X-3PO]

Even in 1977 the movie was considered a "B" class movie based on the amount of money it had as a budget.

[Mann]

Even in 1977 the movie was considered a "B" class movie based on the amount of money it had as a budget.

Um, a B movie is Ed Wood style. they worked on a no budget. A movie that costed 10 million was like a movie that costs 50 millions today.

[RollaFett]

Yeah, I agree. $10 million was a lot to ask for back then. It surprises me, to this day, that GL simply didn't throw some different aliens in that scene instead of all of those Greedo clones. Hmmmm....unless they're supposed to be clones................style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sly.gif

[JediBendu]

unless they're supposed to be clones
:roll:

It just showed that little Ani had a temper, which I think would have been nice in the development of Darth Vader.

I think I'm paraphrasing from Natalie Portman here, but GL believes evil comes from good people who have had bad things done to them.
tpm showed that anakin was a good person, atoc showed the bad thing that was done to him, ep3 will show how the evil comes out...and how!

[X-3PO]

Um, a B movie is Ed Wood style. they worked on a no budget. A movie that costed 10 million was like a movie that costs 50 millions today.

Hmmmmm Yeah Ed Wood movies were B movies in their day, of what the 1930's? If you watch the making of videos or listen to any dialogues about ANH you will here them several times say that the budget they had was of, at that time, B-Movie quality. They were getting only HALF the budget main line movies had.

[Mann]

You know where the budget went in those days, as in today's society? the actors! Actors were demanding about 1 million a picture (not alot now, but alot then) Marlon brando demanded 2.5 million for Apocalypse Now. If the budget was so low, then how come the effects were revolutionary? These were state of the art.

Oh, Ed Wood made movies in the 1950's.

[X-3PO]

The effects were revolutionary becuase they were created at the studios instead of being bought from another effects studio. And actually if you look at the effects in Star Wars and those in earlier movies, such as 2001, there isn't that much of a difference.

[Mann]

They look the same in some respects because they used models. But the other revolutionary effect was the sound that was created. The sound effects that were not in 2001 are what made the movie jump out at people. Also, the sheer fact that they wee shooting lasers at eachother was a new concept on film. Star Trek had done it before, but it was done with a frozen image and a beam coming across the screen, while Star wars had the lasers firing during the action.

After ANH, Lucas got the team that made the F/x for ANH and formed ILM, a special effects company. So in reality, Lucas did have a company build his effects.

[Raganork8]

Well just so everyone can stop wondering GREEDO IS DEAD Bam fried gone kaput dead D-E-A-D!

[Mann]

thanks for the notice raganork

[Raganork8]

Anytime (oh did i mention greedo is not alive?)

[Mann]

Not sure, but I know you said he was dead

[Raganork8]

Well then Greedo is not alive he fell in the sarlacc pit with boba. (but boba got out!)

[Mann]

oooook

[Raganork8]

LOL but seroulsly did jabba think greedo was going to get han?

[Mann]

um, I think because Jabba's an idiot

[Raganork8]

Hey jabba's not an idiot that little thing by his side in ROTJ THAT'S an idiot.

[Mann]

That guy's great! Jabba's dumb because he can't do anything except sit around and laugh.

[Raganork8]

And that little thing got shocked by R2 GO R2!!!!

[Mann]

That was fun

[Raganork8]

But now it's over.

[Mann]

and the little guy blew up

[Raganork8]

style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif and R2 didn't.

[Mann]

i know, but he does get shot like 3 times

[Raganork8]

Oh but he does save queen amidala in tpm then padme in AOTC Delivers the message in a new hope Plus repairs the stabalizer on lukes X-wing then turns the trash compacter off and finds leai's quarters then opens the door in TESB and shoots luke's lightsaber out in ROTJ.
SO what now HUH?

[Mann]

You are right, it's all about R2.

[Raganork8]

DWEEp BOp WAA AWW!