The Ultimate Edition

[Darth Barrister]

A lot of people on these boards have predicted that a DVD version of the Classic trilogy would have updates and changes to conform with the prequels.

I think it would be interesting to review our collective predictions and thoughts on these updates/changes.

I will start by saying that I was not a big fan of the SE. Especially the Greedo shoots first thing. To me part of the excitement of Solo was his unpredictability and ruthlessness. Remember he was the "pirate" of the group.

At that point of the film you weren't sure if you could totally trust him and then you hear that he drops shipments at the sight of Imperials! This raised even more questions as to whether our young hero and his "wizard" companion would even get to where they wanted to go.

Then, on top of it all, he wastes Greedo. At this point, we know nothing of this pirate other than what we hear from him ("you've never heard of the Millenium Falcon?") and what Greedo says to him. And then we know he can be a killer as he wastes Greedo without flinching.



Remember when you saw it the first time?

[bullumhead]

yes yes yes...return the Greedo shot to it's orginal version!

i also vote to remove the Jabba scene....or at least make it look better and remove Boba Fett!

i'd also like to see a better explosion of the Death Star...that simple addition of that ring to the existing effect looked cheesey. something more akin to the Death Star explosion from the Star Wars Trilogy arcade game, where you see fire and light peeking through all the seams of the DS...that was cool!

[X-3PO]

Though most people dislike them, I would like to see the Ewoks singing returned to the end of ROTJ, they can still show those scenes of celebration but I wants me the yub yub song.

[Darth Vegas]

Bullumhead what the hell is wrong with Boba Fett in ANH?

[X-3PO]

Oh he has no part and he is just there to look cool. Blah.

[Mothman]

Here is what I'm guessing they ARE going to do, but are things that I hope they DON'T do, because they're just going to screw it up:

1.) Make Yoda CGI like he was in AOTC, at least in close-ups, so he is consistent throughout all appearances. This is similar to what Spielberg did to E.T. this year in his special anniversary release of E.T.

2.) Add the "Imperial March" to Vader's appearances in ANH. While I certainly think that the "Imperial March" is wonderful, I also like the score that was originally done.

3.) Digitally enhance Ben's fight with Vader on the Death Star, like the digital stuff they did with Christopher Lee in AOTC.

Don't do it.....leave it as it is.

[mtilden]

There is no basis for the assumption that anything will be changed... no basis whatsoever. Maybe a few matte lines erased here and there, a deleted scene restored, not more than that.

[X-3PO]

There is no basis for the assumption that anything will be changed... no basis whatsoever. Maybe a few matte lines erased here and there, a deleted scene restored, not more than that.

What do you mean? Explain further.

[mtilden]

Explain just what exactly? Explain why I think that there is no basis for believing that there will be changes to the OT when it is released on DVD? My explanation is simple: there has never been any announcement by Lucasfilm to the effect that this might happen. It is all purely speculation by the fans, fun speculation maybe, but speculation nonetheless. When you have been part of SW fandom as long as I have, you have seen many outrageous rumors that were once accepted as absolute fact turn out to be false. I remember back in 1994 when it was rumored that Obi Wan would be played by a bluescreen actor, and that Lucas would digitally replace this actors face with the face of a young Alec Guninness. I remember back in 1995 and 1996 when it was asserted as indisputible fact that Episode I would be titled "Balance of the Force"... I remember the rumors that Episode II would have a villian frozen in carbonite who would be revived in Episode VII, I remember rumors that Mark Hamill had signed on for a role in Episode IX, I remember the rumors that Boba Fett would be in Episode I as the captain of the Millenium Falcon, as well as rumors that Leonardo Dicaprio was signed to play Anakin Skywalker (this particular rumor was so popular that even people who worked in Lucasfilm believed it) and I remember the rumors that Natalie Portman would have a nude scene in TPM. (This last one probably being the all time stupidest rumor I have ever heard about SW) Granted, sometimes the rumors turn out to be actually true..... it was rumored back in early 1997 that Ewan Mcgregor would be Obi Wan (but that was after a false rumor about the role being offered to Kenneth Branaugh circulated) and that "there can be only two Sith" would be a major plot element in the Prequels. Rumors aren't always false, but it is better not to put too much trust in them until they are officially confirmed by Lucasfilm.

[X-3PO]

Excellant. Yes I also think talk of this Ultimate Edition is a bit unreliable and don't beleive much of what I hear. I thought that perhaps you meant that there is absolutly no use for any added changes, not that I want to see the movies changed, again, but I can see where George might want to add a few snippits of stuff to tie in the PT a little more. But I don't see much of that happening.

[bullumhead]

Bullumhead what the hell is wrong with Boba Fett in ANH?
he was just there for set dressing, hanging out in the background like some ordinary thug...plus i always assumed that he didn't worked for soley Jabba the Hutt, especially as hired muscle. i thought he was the world's most feared bounty hunter.

and then at the end of the scene, he stops, and glares right at the camera. it felt pretty contrived, if you ask me. i thought seeing him for the first time in ESB was so much cooler.

actually, seeing jabba for the first time in ROTJ seemed alot cooler too. in ANH & ESB you just hear jabba's name. it built up suspense for when we finally meet him in ROTJ (though i guees seeing him in E1 would eliminate this, if viewing the films in chronological order). plus i felt that GL made him kind of a wuss by having han step on his tail and jabba doing nothing about it.

just my opinion.

[Bandet]

Ya, wouldn't the most feared bounty hunter have something better to do then just hanging out in Jabbas place, unless he was there for a reason that we haven't thought of yet.

But one this is sure hes no ordinary thug so maybe there is a reason why he is there.

[X-3PO]

plus i felt that GL made him kind of a wuss by having han step on his tail and jabba doing nothing about it.


Yeah, I thought this was amusing but I would expect some sort of retribution from the Mighty Jabba the Hutt. The only thing I hope hope hope they change is that lame ass Jabba in ANH, how hard would it be to redo it with the Jabba from TPM?

And about the Boba Fett thing we must remember that Boba hangs out with Jabba becuase that is where the best bounties are coming from. If you look really close in ROTJ you will see some of the other bounty hunters from the ESB. Though I did think Fetts appearence in ANH was pointless.

[bullumhead]

i don't know, if i was bobe fett than i would take the Colt Seavers route and get a phat pad with a hot tub and bikini-clad heather thomas! that's the way to be a bounty hunter!!!

[X-3PO]

I certainly hope he wouldn't be like a real life bounty hunter, you know who I mean, the tubby guys with a death wish and a van full of guns, who regularly give their life story on 20/20.

[The Prism]

Oh, he's definitely going to do SOMETHING with the OT dvd's! Him and his Lucasfilm buddies like to keep updating things. I mean, just look at what they did with the AOTC dvd, adding the shot where Anakin's gold hand actually holds Padme's. Let's also not forget the added dialog after Anakin kills the tuskens, among many other shots that McCallum said they added to the DVD.

Yeah. Expect some minor changes here and there when those come out.

[X-3PO]

Oh I am sure they will be adding a whole bunch of stuff to the OT BUT I hope they have an option where you can watch the original OT and not just the SE and any new added stuff, in a way it would be cool to see all the stages of the Star Wars movies.

[MegoHulk]

I'd really hate for major changes to the OT again. He's ruined them enough....bring back the Yub yub song, bring back Han shooting first, fix Jabba....just don't add a bunch of pointless special effects and CGI. I don't mind him adding stuff so much as the changing things, which I hate. Guess we'll have to wait and see.

[X-3PO]

And from the looks o f it, it looks like it is going to be a LONG wait! Not until several years a fter Episode III! I don't think I can wait that long, especially if they are giong to screw even more o f the movie up!

(P.S. Sorry about the extra spaces, my keyboard is goo fy)

[Lord Laviathan]

No, if there is one thing they did right was take out the yub-yub song, As you all know I hate Ewoks they should be taken out in the UE and replaced by the slave Wookies. Yes, thats it the Wookies are slaves working on the completion of the 2nd DS until Chewie and Han come and say the rebels are planning an attack and the wookies stage an uprising so the rebels can infiltrate the shield generator.Atleast a wookie uprising would be believable since wookies are cunning warriors and it would have been cool to see thier struggle for freedom too not the two foot tall ewoks who destroy the Emperors finest.
I HATE EWOKS!!!!!! thats all I would ever ask of GL.

[leandar]

Originally posted by mtilden@Dec 10 2002, 07:17 PM
Explain just what exactly? Explain why I think that there is no basis for believing that there will be changes to the OT when it is released on DVD? My explanation is simple: there has never been any announcement by Lucasfilm to the effect that this might happen. It is all purely speculation by the fans, fun speculation maybe, but speculation nonetheless. When you have been part of SW fandom as long as I have, you have seen many outrageous rumors that were once accepted as absolute fact turn out to be false. I remember back in 1994 when it was rumored that Obi Wan would be played by a bluescreen actor, and that Lucas would digitally replace this actors face with the face of a young Alec Guninness. I remember back in 1995 and 1996 when it was asserted as indisputible fact that Episode I would be titled "Balance of the Force"... I remember the rumors that Episode II would have a villian frozen in carbonite who would be revived in Episode VII, I remember rumors that Mark Hamill had signed on for a role in Episode IX, I remember the rumors that Boba Fett would be in Episode I as the captain of the Millenium Falcon, as well as rumors that Leonardo Dicaprio was signed to play Anakin Skywalker (this particular rumor was so popular that even people who worked in Lucasfilm believed it) and I remember the rumors that Natalie Portman would have a nude scene in TPM. (This last one probably being the all time stupidest rumor I have ever heard about SW) Granted, sometimes the rumors turn out to be actually true..... it was rumored back in early 1997 that Ewan Mcgregor would be Obi Wan (but that was after a false rumor about the role being offered to Kenneth Branaugh circulated) and that "there can be only two Sith" would be a major plot element in the Prequels. Rumors aren't always false, but it is better not to put too much trust in them until they are officially confirmed by Lucasfilm.
Well, I read the "Imperial March" was going into Star Wars by as good a source as John Williams himself. He said he was looking forward to doing that. As far as the rest, the bit with Bail Organa and Palpatine in the Imperial Senate, Bail Organa on Alderaan, Palpatine and Vader in the Jedi Temple wreckage in Empire, and Padme in Jedi...well we'll just have to wait and see. I'm taking these rumors with a grain of salt. Let's just see what happens.

[StarWarsFan1]

i think you should be able to chose between the ot the special ed and the ut that would be very very worth every penny

[Mothman]

Originally posted by leandar@Dec 16 2002, 09:19 PM
Well, I read the "Imperial March" was going into Star Wars by as good a source as John Williams himself. He said he was looking forward to doing that.
I'm sure that it is. Ever since ESB, "The Imperial March" seems to be universally present whenever Vader or a large Imperial ship makes an appearance. Now, I'm trying to imagine the opening few minutes of ANH. When do you think that "The Imperial March" will first appear? When the big Star Destroyer first flies over the top of the screen, chasing the Tantive IV? Or, when Vader first walks in the door?

[X-3PO]

Definitly when Vader first walks through the door, it would be nice and dramatic!

[MegoHulk]

I don't see why everyone is so keen on making changes? Why change the music, its fine as it is....it the original music...is nothing sacred? What makes the Imperial March so powerful was because we didn't get to hear until ESB....it was this new powerful theme, the Empire was not defeated, far from it...now its their turn. To just throw it in every movie cheapens it.

[X-3PO]

I agree with you fully MegoHulk and infact the ANH soundtrack is one of my favorites from the whole Star Wars saga, but it isn't us who is to blame here, it's Lucas. He has already said he would like to update things, including the soundtracks. Which I feel is very stupid on his part but let's just keep our fingers crossed he doesn't go overboard. Plus now if you watch the whole saga in sequence we already have heard the Imperial March at the end of AOTC, though I didn't think it was a good choice, what's done is done.

[Mothman]

Originally posted by X-3PO@Dec 20 2002, 11:10 AM
Plus now if you watch the whole saga in sequence we already have heard the Imperial March at the end of AOTC, though I didn't think it was a good choice, what's done is done.
Instead of just slapping "The Imperial March" in there, like was done at the end of AOTC, I'd prefer if they kind of "played around" with the theme. For example, I thought that John Williams was brilliant in how he took bits & pieces of the Imperial theme and put it into "Anakin's Theme" in TPM. When it was used there, it started with an entirely different melody, but each time it played, it took on a few more notes of the Imperial theme. Now, THAT was podracing!

(For you non-musicians, listen to the music on the credits of TPM. "Anakin's Theme" is the music at the very end, which climaxes with the Vader breathing sound effect.)

[X-3PO]

Yes that was good writing from williams. I was expecting more of that in AOTC, and perhaps having it sort of evolve into the Imperial March as the movies went along. But oh well just another disappointment in my Star Wars career.

[Mothman]

Originally posted by X-3PO@Dec 20 2002, 11:22 AM
Yes that was good writing from williams. I was expecting more of that in AOTC, and perhaps having it sort of evolve into the Imperial March as the movies went along. But oh well just another disappointment in my Star Wars career.
Several times in AOTC I was disappointed by what seemed like old musical stuff being inserted, instead of new material being written. Two examples come to mind, and I think that there were more:

1.) "The Imperial March" at the end, when Palpatine was overseeing the clonetrooper army going off to war.

2.) "Duel of the Fates" as Anakin was going out to find Mommy and the Tuskens.

I don't think that it was John Williams' fault. He proved how he could brilliantly use/hint at former musical themes with his "Anakin's Theme" in TPM. (Or, maybe he is getting a little too old for this.) I think that the real culprit in this is GL and his editors. Reportedly, he keeps tinkering with things until the very end, moving stuff around. Maybe it was GL who slapped in the "old" musical themes well past the time that John Williams' new soundtrack material had been recorded.

[X-3PO]

.) "Duel of the Fates" as Anakin was going out to find Mommy and the Tuskens.

Yeah! What was that about? I bought the soundtrack before I saw the movie and I heard this and thought "Oh there must be some fight here, or talk of Maul or something." But nope it was just anakin on a speeder bike. Curse you Lucas! You're like a cancer!

[Mothman]

Originally posted by X-3PO@Dec 20 2002, 01:34 PM
.) "Duel of the Fates" as Anakin was going out to find Mommy and the Tuskens.

Yeah! What was that about? I bought the soundtrack before I saw the movie and I heard this and thought "Oh there must be some fight here, or talk of Maul or something." But nope it was just anakin on a speeder bike. Curse you Lucas! You're like a cancer!
I think that it is lack of creativity.

[Jedi Master Gandalf]

I definetly want an Ultimate Edition. I want a lot of things redone or improved in the OT. I wish they would redo a lot of the space battles in CG. I wish they fix up that ANH Special Edition Jabba scene.

I also hope that they'd make Yoda CG just for this version. They discussed the Ultimate Edition in the most recent issue of Empire magazine. They mention that it is very likely because Lucas was very unsatisfied with the Special Editions, and a quote from McCallum: "George will keep improving these films until he dies."

Also, Lucas has said a number of times that the SW saga is designed to be viewed from Phantom Menace all the way to Return of the Jedi. Then how can we possibly do that without having the same effects to enhance the continuity. Without that aspect, the saga doesn't flow through correctly.

[MegoHulk]

Originally posted by Jedi Master Gandalf@Dec 29 2002, 01:30 AM
I a quote from McCallum: "George will keep improving these films until he dies."


Now thats an oxymoron if I ever heard one. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

[Jedi Master Gandalf]

Whoops! The actual quote was "George'll keep on changing these films until he dies." I was quoting from memory the first time.

And publicist Jeanne Cole said, "When we released the Special Editions, those prints were restored. [But] compared to Episode 2's DVD presentation, we have a huge amount of work to do."

I sure hope so.

[X-3PO]

"George will keep improving these films until he dies."




How is that an oxymoron? http://64.207.13.28/mysmilies/contrib/ruinkai/icon7xx.gif

[RollaFett]

I wouldn't mind having the Imperial March inserted into ANH, in fact, I have been hoping for that for quite some time. I will concede, however, the use of it in AOTC could've been better. I liked hearing it, but I think a more somber version of it would've been better. As far as Duel of the Fates goes, I was very dissapointed with its usage. GL said after TPM that that theme was going to be an intregal one throughout the entire PT, and we only get a small sample of it during AOTC?! Ugh.

[Jedi Master Gandalf]

I hope that Vader's Theme/Imperial March is inserted into A New Hope as well. John Williams has said that he's always been uncomfortable with the fact that its not in there, so I hope its put in.

I think it'd be a much more dark and dramatic entrance for Vader if we'd hear it. And I think music should be added to the Obi-Wan/Vader battle on the Death Star, to give his death a more dramatic impact. If we've been following this character for 4 movies, it should at least be sad when he dies.

Excuse the LOTR reference, but we had only known Gandalf for 2 and 1/2 hours before he died and his death was really sad. It should be the same for Obi-Wan. What do you guys think?

[Mann]

add duel of the fates for the fight between Obiwan and Vader. And spice up the fighting with digtal characters and stuntmen.

[Darth Darthy]

Add colour to Vader's lightsaber. That'd be nice.

[Jedi Master Gandalf]

Originally posted by Mann@Dec 30 2002, 03:11 AM
add duel of the fates for the fight between Obiwan and Vader. And spice up the fighting with digtal characters and stuntmen.
You took the words right out of my mouth! If they did it with Christopher Lee, they can do it with this fight. And as Darthy said, fix up the lightsabers; especially in A New Hope. Make them fine like in the Prequels.

[X-3PO]

And spice up the fighting with digtal characters and stuntmen.

BOO! Now I am all for minor changes here and there. The soundtrack stuff I can agree on. New CGI space battles, more background aliens perhaps. Things like that. But to butcher major scenes and change the appearence of something that has been an Icon of Star Wars for YEARS! No way! That duel, though not up to par with the duel from TPM, is classic! And if you don't like it the way it is then go make your own movie!

[MegoHulk]

right, I'm against all these changes, especially if you start changing whole scenes, it ceases to be ANH and becomes just another FX fest for GL to play around with. I think we're missing the point of some of the music and when its played. The Imperial march should stay in ESB, thats when we first heard it really, we only hear hints of it in the PT and thats fine. It hints at things to come, as far as the original score, why change it, it worked perfectly well for over 20 years. If it aint broke don't fix it. The OT came first and set the standard, so why go back and change it to be more like the crappy PT? Just so it flows together? Come on, GL does care about flow or otherwise he would have made the PT fit the OT instead of the other way around. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif

[Mann]

Not change it, keep the original footage, but insert obi-wan doing better moves, and vader too. In episode III, they are the players of what is called "The mother of all lightsaber battles." It would be a shame for them to transcend from that to the less that spectacular first battle. I agree it's a classic, but that's why we have the original trilogy.

[Darth Darthy]

That's just plain silliness, Mann. How can they "not change it" but give Obi and Darth new moves?!? It would look like complete bollocks.

As far as I'm concerned; fix the freaking sabers in ANH. Darth's is still white in some shots! The ONLY other thing that can be changed without noticably very bad CG -and really should be changed- is the mass entrance of TIEs in ROTJ. It looks terrible nowadays - the fighters just appear from nowhere and have very nasty matting.

[Saranac]

How about they fix the entire ROTJ since it was such a horrible movie. Also they need to add those deleted scenes from ROTJ. More specifically: the one where Boba Fett escapes. Thats rubbish theres no way he died.

A.B.F.B.

[Mann]

Note to saranac: Don't bring that topic in here. keep that in the other threads

Darthy: It's a common trick. They can just keep the original footage of Alec Guiness and David Prowse, but in between some of the fighting, where they obviously edited, add a new shot of Obi-wan flipping aournd and vader being more aggresive. It's just re-editing and inserting clips.

Oh, and redo the Jabba scene in ANH, he looks bad compared to the one in TPM. ON RotJ, replace the ewoks with the Bears in A.I.! They were cooler! J/k!

[Darth Darthy]

Just remove the scene. That Jabba scene would have been better as one of those "extras" you get on a DVD. It's pointless and was only inserted for the benefit of us fans.

[Jedi Master Gandalf]

Originally posted by Mann@Dec 30 2002, 04:50 PM
Not change it, keep the original footage, but insert obi-wan doing better moves, and vader too.

It's a common trick. They can just keep the original footage of Alec Guiness and David Prowse, but in between some of the fighting, where they obviously edited, add a new shot of Obi-wan flipping aournd and vader being more aggresive. It's just re-editing and inserting clips.

That would be so awesome! I really hope they do that. I don't think they should take out any scenes from the Obi-Wan/Vader battle but just add stuff like they did with Christopher Lee in AOTC. I'm sure Lucas wanted a better fight scene but he couldn't do it. Now he can with digital technology. I really hope they spice that fight up. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sly.gif I totally agree with you, Mann.

Darthy, about not including the Jabba scene in A New Hope, I can agree and disagree. If they do change Jabba into the one from Phantom Menace that'd be better. But if they don't, you're right, they should take it out. Basically it just repeated information from the Greedo scene.

[X-3PO]

It would be a shame for them to transcend from that to the less that spectacular first battle.

They're old! Give them a break. The whole point of having spectacular lightsaber battles in the PT is to show that at that time the Jedi were in their prime!! They were powerful and awe inspiring. But by the time of ANH all that remains are the old and tarnished. It is a dark time, not an ass kicking time. Obi-Wan has alot on his plate when fighting Vader. He is probably just a bit depressed still, seeing all your friends die will do that to you. He is upset I am sure to be facing his old friend and padawan. And he is an old hermit who probably didn't keep up his saber skills. You really can't expect him to be in top form. Plus I am totally in agreement with Megohulk on this one, and to change a scene is sin.

[Jedi Master Gandalf]

Yeah, but Yoda was really old and look what he did! I think that the quality of the fight has nothing to do with their emotions or inner sadness, I just think that Guiness was too old to any spectacular stuff.

Lucas probably ran into the same problem with Christopher Lee, but this time he had technology on his side. This time, he could digitally make it seem like Lee was a great swordsman. Proper editing and removing heads is the answer. I think he sees now that he can go back and improve it.

[Mann]

Lee actually is a good swordsman. The fights between him and Ewan were real for the most part. When times called for Lee to flip around, and over people, digital efects were called in.

[X-3PO]

Yeah, but Yoda was really old and look what he did!

Yeah but Yoda's species is a very long winded bunch, they are supposed to be old. Obi-Wan is old for his species and not in his best form, that is all I am saying. I just don't want more changes to the OT that don't really need to be made.

[Mann]

you don't think Yoda was old for his species? He live to be 900, and he was gonna die in about 20 years? If 900 is the max life for his species then hed be like in his 90's.

[Jedi Master Gandalf]

That's what I've I'll always thought. In Yoda's species 100 is like 10, 200 is like 20, 300 is like 30 and so forth. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

Too bad there's no way to clean up the audio of A New Hope. It sounds really old while the rest of the OT sounds pretty good. I hope they clean up the color and look of the films.

[Mann]

exactly Gandalf.

I think that Lucasfilm will come up with a way to preserve the audio by 2005. It will win them another academy award.

[Jedi Master Gandalf]

Here's a list of what I want done for the Ultimate Edition.

A New Hope
*Audio cleaned up.
*"Earth" numbers taken out.
*Some of the droids in the Sandcrawler redone .
*Banthas redone.
*More creatures in Mos Eiesly (Dugs, pit droids, etc.).
*Han goes back to shooting Greedo first.
*Jabba scene redone to look like [i]Phantom Menace or just
completely taken out.
*A couple of Palpatine scenes added into the film.
*The Obi-Wan/Vader battle digitally fixed up, with music added.
*Fix up the lightsabers to Prequel standards.
*Dianoga eye redone.
*Basically the whole Death Star interior enviroment redone.
(Looks very 70's)
*Pre-battle briefing fixed up (Put in a hologram or something).
*Space battle redone in CG.
*Show Vader land on Coruscant and tell Palpatine of the Death
Star's destruction and Tarkin's death.

Empire Strikes Back
*Redo tauntauns.
*Redo the Battle of Hoth in CG.
*Redo the Asteroid slug and fix up Asteroid chase.
*Redo Yoda in CG (I know you don't agree with me).
*Refilm the Palpatine scene and add Ian McDiarmid.
*Make Cloud City more spectacular.

Return of the Jedi
*Redo some of Jabba's posse in CG.
*Redo the rancor in CG.
*Redo Yoda in CG (Hey, if he's CG, they can add new scenes
with him!).
*Redo space battle in CG.
*Fix transparency in some scenes.

[Jedi Master Gandalf]

I think it'd be cool if Palpatine speaks to Vader via hologram. Maybe, he could ask the Emperor if Yoda is dead or something. Then Palpatine could tell Vader that he has permission to do whatever it takes to get some information out of Leia, and then we cut to Vader opening the door to her cell and bringing in the torture droid.

[RollaFett]

I honestly feel as though ESB and ROTJ need very little work done to them. In fact, I would go so far as to say that ESB is fine the way it is.

[Jedi Master Gandalf]

I agree that Empire and Jedi don't need as much work as A New Hope but they still need work!

[Mann]

I think that they should take all the extra time to fix the PT trilogy more. That needs more work than the OT story wise.

[Jedi Master Gandalf]

Well, we're talking about when Episode 3 is finished, right? That's what I thought.

[X-3PO]

That's what I've I'll always thought. In Yoda's species 100 is like 10, 200 is like 20, 300 is like 30 and so forth.

Hmmmm I don't think so. To think that when Yoda was 100 he was acting like a 10 year old doesn't make much sense. He ages just as anybody else does, he just lives longer and accumulates several lifetimes worth of experience and knowledge. So the difference of 20-23 years or so does make a difference, just as it would make a difference for anyone else.

I think that they should take all the extra time to fix the PT trilogy more. That needs more work than the OT story wise.

I totally agree! They need to fix the PT so that there is little need to fix the OT. However I really doubt that Lucas will change these new ones because this time he was able to take time and create his "vision" of what Star Wars should be.

[Mann]

actually, he didn't have all the time he wanted. He wasn't even done the with the script when production began on Episode II. He's also bound to a deadline with the studios. He only gets three years. Unlike Peter Jackson who took the smart route and filmed LotR at once and had years to do it, not to mention 300 million.

[Jedi Master Gandalf]

I wish that Lucas would have filmed Attack of the Clones and Episode 3 simultaneously. That way, we could have probably expected Episode 3 by December this year.

Peter Jackson has one year to edit, add special effects, and music. Not to mention additional shooting. I wish Lucas could squeeze production down to 2 years.

Okay, we're getting off topic.

[X-3PO]

actually, he didn't have all the time he wanted.

But Lucas is a visuals kinda guy. He doesn't have a problem with any of the story lines of the movies. Look at the SE, he said he came out with the Special Edition because he thought the movies never quite reached what he expected. But when we look at them what did he change? Mostly visual stuff. A few added scenes but none that really add to the story any. If Lucas does anything to the PT it will be something along those lines. Because he also dosen't like to be wrong, so he won't change the stories much, becuase that would show that he made some poor story telling decisions.

[Mann]

oh, wait, what about the whole Greedo shot first part? That changed sometime more than visually.

[RollaFett]

actually, he didn't have all the time he wanted. He wasn't even done the with the script when production began on Episode II. He's also bound to a deadline with the studios. He only gets three years. Unlike Peter Jackson who took the smart route and filmed LotR at once and had years to do it, not to mention 300 million

Gl is not bound to the studios nearly as much as you think. These are 'Lucasfilm' productions, remember? 20th Century Fox only assists with the massive distribution aspect. GL decided on the release schedule of these movies, nobody else. If 3 years isn't long enough, he has only himself to blame.
As far as Peter Jackson goes. sure he filmed them all at once, which was smart, but the filming took place only about 3 years ago. When you break everything down, he doesn't have near as much time with the post-production as you think.

Peter Jackson has one year to edit, add special effects, and music. Not to mention additional shooting. I wish Lucas could squeeze production down to 2 years.

Despite what I just said, Jackson does have a good amount of time to finish these films. As far as GL squeezing production down to two years, I highly disagree. If anything, he might consider taking a little more time before filming begins to polish theses weak scripts a bit more.

[Mann]

Golla Fett, I;m confused. Who do you agree with?

[Jedi Master Gandalf]

Originally posted by Mann@Jan 2 2003, 10:29 PM
oh, wait, what about the whole Greedo shot first part? That changed sometime more than visually.
I don't understand...

[MegoHulk]

It makes Han seem like a nicer guy...not the type of guy who would shoot first.

[X-3PO]

oh, wait, what about the whole Greedo shot first part? That changed sometime more than visually.

Oh and look at the reaction. Everyone HATES it! Changes to major parts of the movie are not a good thing.

[Mann]

well, you are right X-3PO, know one likes it. But because I'm a subborn Jackass (I'm the first to admit it) I'm gonna continue to plea for a better battle in the Death Star. It would flow together so much better.

[Jedi Master Gandalf]

If you're a stubborn jackass, then I am too I guess. I hear Lucas isn't happy with the Special Editions so maybe he'll take that out, along with that horrible new Sy Snoodles song.

[Mann]

I used to love that song. But, that little hairy guy reminded me of the Kellogs Honeycomb guy! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

[Jedi Master Gandalf]

The original was much better. They should leave in the CG Snoodles, but just bring back the old song.

[Mann]

I agree.

[Mothman]

Originally posted by Jedi Master Gandalf@Jan 3 2003, 12:38 PM
The original was much better. They should leave in the CG Snoodles, but just bring back the old song.
On ROTJ, they should bring back the "yub yub" song at the end, too! ...and then add a new, HUGE symphonic finish; something that tops the end of ANH.

[Mann]

That would probably include Padme.

[X-3PO]

Padme? I hope not. She should be dead, Leia said so!

<marquee>This has been my 800th post, whoop dee doo!</marquee>

[Mann]

Don't be too sure about that. I think George wont be so willing to kill off Padme.

[X-3PO]

But I see Padme as a PT charecter just like Han and Chewie are OT charecters. She wasn't in any of the OT movies, why would he throw her in at the end?

[Mann]

To bring some closure to her story, and make the story a happy ending.

[Jedi Master Gandalf]

Originally posted by X-3PO@Jan 3 2003, 09:47 PM
But I see Padme as a PT charecter just like Han and Chewie are OT charecters. She wasn't in any of the OT movies, why would he throw her in at the end?
I agree. I'm pretty sure she'll die in Episode 3. I mean, nothing against her, but it would be really incomplete if she didn't.

I think I like the new song at the end of ROTJ. They should leave that in. It brings a sense of closure to the saga. The "yub-yub" song, as you call it, seems like just another celebration. Maybe after Luke sees Anakin, Obi-Wan, and Yoda, more Jedi appear and Mace will tell Yoda that the prophecy was true and Anakin really brought balance to the Force.

Something like that....

[Jedi Master Gandalf]

I think the whole Ultimate Edition should come as a 5-disc set.

[Mann]

5 disc set? why five discs? shouldn't it be 6?

[Saranac]

Have I mentioned that GL better insert that deleted scene in ROTJ.

Yes, Mann I'm bring it back in the topic. You are right should be 6 discs.

A.B.F.B.

[X-3PO]

To bring some closure to her story, and make the story a happy ending.

How do you know that she won't have closure in episode III? AND her story isn't a happy one. Her husband kills all of her friends, her kids are seperated from her, she was unhappy when she dies (as Leia points out) She is perhaps the most tragic of the Star Wars charecters. At the end everything is nice for everyone else. Vader turns back to the light, Luke has found his father and saved him, Leia lead the rebellion to victory, and Han gets the girl. But poor padme is dead and alone.

[RollaFett]

But poor padme is dead and alone.

More like 'dead and gone', don't you think? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

[Jedi Master Gandalf]

Originally posted by Mann@Jan 5 2003, 09:49 PM
5 disc set? why five discs? shouldn't it be 6?
Yeah, dammit, why not! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

I was thinking each film on a disc and then one Special Features disc explaining the making of the original films, and another disc going through the making of the Ultimate Edition itself. What should be on the 6th disc?

Also, there should be several commentary tracks. One with Lucas by himself. Another with the original crew, and another with the Ultimate Edition crew (John Knoll, Rob Coleman, etc.). And one more with the actors.

What do you think will be released first, the Original Trilogy on DVD or the Indiana Jones Trilogy?

[Jedi Master Gandalf]

Originally posted by X-3PO@Jan 6 2003, 07:35 PM
How do you know that she won't have closure in episode III? AND her story isn't a happy one. Her husband kills all of her friends, her kids are seperated from her, she was unhappy when she dies (as Leia points out) She is perhaps the most tragic of the Star Wars charecters. At the end everything is nice for everyone else. Vader turns back to the light, Luke has found his father and saved him, Leia lead the rebellion to victory, and Han gets the girl. But poor padme is dead and alone.
Geez, poor Padme!

I really doubt she'll survive Episode 3, but maybe Lucas will add her in as a spirit; although I thought that was only for Jedi.

[X-3PO]

I predict she will either have the kids at the begining of the film. (either give birth to them, or they will already be hanging around) and dies at the end OR she will go on after the film, but in some sort of state of terminal illness.

I just can't see her being involved in the OT. Her part has been played, she turned Anakin (with her love) away from the Jedi path and toward the darkside (not intentionally of course). She did her part to help maintain the old republic, which fails, and the fight is then continued by her mini-me, Leia. Again I use the example of Han and Chewie, they are not in the PT, because they have nothing to do with this story, so goes with Padme, I beleive.

[Mann]

Just cause she isn't in the story, doesn't mean she has to die. I think Lucas has some plan up his sleeve we wont be expecting.

[X-3PO]

Leia says SHE DIED!

[echoseven]

Padme dies....
In ROTJ, Leia has vague memories of her "real" mother, she remembers her as being sad. That being said, The twin will be born before the second half of the movie, Leia has to spend some time with her..
She dies because GL has said all the main characters die except Vader, Ben and Yoda... She is a main character.

[RollaFett]

The fact that Leia remembers her mother isn't all that important. She could be remembering her step-mother for all we know. Luke doesn't remember his mother, right? Who's to say that it is Padme that Leia remembers?

[X-3PO]

Luke specifically asks her, "Do you remember your mother, your REAL mother." That pretty much narrows it down. He knew she was adopted, she knew she was adopted, she remembers her real mother (Padme) dying.

[Mann]

She says she just remembers her dying when she was very young. Do you know that people tell their children that so they wont go looking for the mother that left. Leia doesn't know anything about death when she's young. I think she'll be with her mother the longest, but Padme will leave and go into hidding.

[X-3PO]

Well I don't think so.

[Jedi Master Gandalf]

Padme has to die in Episode 3. The twins will be born and more will occur in the film, so yes, she'll have time to spend with Leia. I'm guessing in the last ten minutes, she finally dies from extreme depression. After that, Obi-Wan goes into the Jundland Wastes.

For someone who watches Phantom Menace to Return of the Jedi, it would be downright confusing if Padme didn't die in Episode 3 and all of sudden in A New Hope we're thrown into a brand new generation of characters and we have no idea where she is or what happened to her! Think about it from that standpoint.

[Jedi Master Gandalf]

Originally posted by Jedi Master Gandalf@Jan 7 2003, 04:55 AM
I was thinking each film on a disc and then one Special Features disc explaining the making of the original films, and another disc going through the making of the Ultimate Edition itself. What should be on the 6th disc?


Hmm? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sly.gif

[Mothman]

There is, of course, the "Padme is Mon Mothma" theory, which gives meaning to her character in the "big picture" perspective, but we've already beaten that dead horse enough on other threads. (But for those who may be interested, check out the "Padme in ROTJ?" thread in the Classic Trilogy section.)

[X-3PO]

You keep saying we have talked about it enough, and yet you keep bringing it back up again.

[Jedi Master Gandalf]

I think we should get back on topic.

[Raganork8]

I hope that we get to see the ig-88 boba fett scene in TESB because if you look closely you can see ig-88's parts in the trash thing where c-3po is found.

[MegoHulk]

Thats right, isn't that from the EU...IG88 gets there first but Fett destroys him or something? And what lucky timing for Chewie to walk through there...2 mins later and bye bye 3po.

[Raganork8]

Yeah that's it it's an intnse fight though and would benfiet boba greatly if it was added.

[Mann]

Well, yeah, but If you add that, why not add all the other stuff with Boba and the bounty hunters? That would be fun to have Bossk and everyone making little appearances.

[Rojo]

God I hate bounty hunters! Less of them please!

They need to replace Boba's voice but that's it. I don't think we need to see more of him.

[Jedi Master Gandalf]

I think a small fight between Fett and IG-88 would be kind of cool, now that the former has more depth behind his character. Not too much, though, only like a five minute battle would do it.

[Mann]

I thought the battle was short anyway. doesn't it consist of him just blowing IG-88 up with some grenades?

[RollaFett]

Yeah, it's not a long fight. Certainly not 5 minutes worth. And I agree that they should probably dub Temura Morrison's voice over the original voice.

[Jedi Master Gandalf]

Originally posted by GollaFett@Jan 13 2003, 02:18 AM
They should probably dub Temura Morrison's voice over the original voice.
Yeah, along with the Stormtroopers!!

But wait, if Fett defeats IG-88 in Empire, then how is he in the novel Shadows of the Empire? I thought that the bounty hunters are really mad over Fett getting Han, so they all team up to catch him and get Jabba's prize for themselves.

But if they do add a fight between Fett and IG-88 [which would be really cool], they'd have to give Fett more speaking lines to fit in right. By the way, is it a space battle or a battle in Cloud City?

[FerrisWiel]

Hokay. I took the time to review all five pages (phew) and now I shall disregard everything said and pass my own judgements:

1. I plan on investing in a LaserDisc player and purchasing SW IV,V, and VI on Laser because I am positive that the "Ultimate" edition will be a crime against art, film, and common sense.

2. Having read what I believe to be Jedi Master Gandalf's manifesto on T'Bone's site, I must say I completely disagree and beg that the DVD:
a. Have the unaltered OT available on either the "flip sides," extra discs or even simply all of them crammed on to one disc with no special features, letterboxed and with original and properly mastered/remastered audio.
b. Put all the old documentaries "From SW to Jedi" and the one they released (originally a TV special in 1978) in a mail-order from Kellogg's cereals a few years back along with a few others I've seen bits of but never had the pleasure of owning or viewing in their entireties.
c. Commentaries, oodles of commentaries.

That's about all. I'd be happy with just the classic trilogy (non-altered) in letterbox format, though. I just don't have 200 bucks to spend on ebay or half.com to get them on VHS, though. Oh, well.

--Ferris Wiel

[Jedi Master Gandalf]

Originally posted by FerrisWiel@Jan 13 2003, 06:05 PM
Having read what I believe to be Jedi Master Gandalf's manifesto on T'Bone's site, I must say I completely disagree and beg that the DVD:
a. Have the unaltered OT available on either the "flip sides," extra discs or even simply all of them crammed on to one disc with no special features, letterboxed and with original and properly mastered/remastered audio.
c. Commentaries, oodles of commentaries.


Yeah, that's mine.

I agree, have the unaltered versions on the flip side for the purists.

[FerrisWiel]

Originally posted by Jedi Master Gandalf@Jan 13 2003, 11:42 PM
I agree, have the unaltered versions on the flip side for the purists.
Cool! Maybe we don't disagree that much.

--Ferris Wiel

[Jedi Master Gandalf]

Now that Lucas has said that the theatrical versions of the Original Trilogy will never be on DVD, then that makes the Ultimate Edition sort of official. If it's not the original version then it's got to be a new version.

I know this is upsetting for a lot of people, but I don't mind it.

[Darth Vegas]

As much as I desire a more suped-up classic trilogy, which will only complement the original versions while employing state-of-the arts techniques to "fix" what needs to be fixed, and add more cgi stuff, like more characters in Jabba's palace and the Cantina, more work on the battle's of Yavin, Hoth, and Endor. I still wish GL would change his mind about not releasing the original versions on DVD, it's a really terrible decision, alot of people are mad about that.

George, listen to the fans, the people that made you rich to begin with, don't do this! Release the original Star Wars trilogy on dvd at least along with whatever new version is planned.

After all the money we put in your pockets, it's the least you could do to give back to the people.

That's about all. I'd be happy with just the classic trilogy (non-altered) in letterbox format, though. I just don't have 200 bucks to spend on ebay or half.com to get them on VHS, though. Oh, well.

Ferris, try about $60 at your local Best Buy or Blockbuster, or Sun Coast Motion Picture Company.

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[RollaFett]

What the hell Best Buy or Suncoast have you seen the unaltered OT? As far as I know, Lucasfilm hasn't sold any of those movies, commercially, since before the SE's came out in theaters.
I got mine on ebay about 2 years ago for about $40.

[Darth Vegas]

Opps he said non-altered my bad.

I have recently seen the 95' release of the ot in Suncoast with remasterd sound and picture, but that was fullscreen.

[Soontir Solo]

GL should bring the classic trilogy out on DVD. Its the smart thing to do. They would sell a ton of DVD's. Every Star Wars fan would buy this. He should at least think of the $ he will make off of this. GL is a complete idiot if he doesn't, that may be extreme but im not the biggest fan of GL, I think he botched up Episode 1 and didn't do much better with Episode 2.

[X-3PO]

Actually that isn't IG-88 in the incinerator scene on cloud city. It is IG-78, obviously so because it is a totally different color then IG-88 and it has been labeled as so in several sources. Just thought I would throw that in the mix.

[FerrisWiel]

Originally posted by Agent Bond A.K.A. TK-007@Feb 13 2003, 12:55 AM
Ferris, try about $60 at your local Best Buy or Blockbuster, or Sun Coast Motion Picture Company.

style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif
I've looked. The non-Special Edition is out of print. I mean the pre-1997 version of the film.

--FW

[X-3PO]

Have you guys read the one post that T'Bone put up about how Lucas said that as far as he is concerned the classic trilogy (non-special edition) is dead to him! That is nutso! What are you thinking Lucas? Why can't we have both on one disk? It could be so easy!

[Brian]

Do you think LFL will release the OT DVDs seperately or will he give the choice to buy them indiviually? Here is what Lucas thinks should happen with the Indy films.

Two weeks ago, Steven Spielberg was interviewed by The Wall Street Journal about Minority Report, Indy 4 and his new film, Catch Me If You Can. During the interview, Spielberg said the following: "We're aiming for next fall. George Lucas and I are having an argument with Paramount. Paramount wants to come out with all three movies in one package. George and I want to come out with one film at a time and then come out with all three movies, and maybe even the fourth one, in one package later." (Paramount says there is no argument and discussions are ongoing.) You have probably read this before but there's more...

Source: theraider.net (http://www.theraider.net/newsarchives/merchandise/2002_december.php#0412300201)

Kind of provides insight on how Lucas thinks about his movies being released.

[Justin]

I just hope they don't do it like Universal did with the Back to the Future trilogy. It was just a three-disc DVD case. It would have been cooler if it had been a box set of three separately packaged DVDs.

[bodhisattva yoda]

for what purpose? to take up valuable bookshelf space? i keep all my dvds in a 200+ cd case. the packaging is just superfluous space-consuming plastic.

[Justin]

Not if you're a collector.

[Phil Tinajero]

I think a scene should be added right before the award ceremony where Vader lands on Coruscant and tells Palpatine what's happened. Pretty close to what happens at the end of Attack of the Clones.

[Count Dookie]

That would be very cool...help us see just how close Palp and Vader really are.

[Jedi Killer]

time to start this thread up again...........and YES (cant believe im saying this) but that would be a goood scene to add to ESB perhaps. but its really not necessary.

does anyone know what GL or someone else has hinted on what they might add or if they are going to add anythnig at all?

cause i can see the Ultimate Edition just having deleted scenes and commentary on the OT. which is perfect for me

[Mothman]

Originally posted by Jedi Master Gandalf@May 18 2003, 02:14 PM
I think a scene should be added right before the award ceremony where Vader lands on Coruscant and tells Palpatine what's happened. Pretty close to what happens at the end of Attack of the Clones.
Sounds cool, but really unnecessary. If Obi-Wan could sense the citizens of Alderaan crying out in terror when they got blown up, I would think that Empalpadidious could sense his Death Star crew being blown up.

[mtilden]

does anyone know what GL or someone else has hinted on what they might add or if they are going to add anythnig at all?


No he hasn't said anything, and frankly he doesn't need to add anything more. He had his chance in 1997, beyond erasing a few matte lines, and small things like that, I don't see any changes taking place.

[Justin]

I think Lucas is missing a huge opportunity by not having both versions of the films in one set.

[Jedi Killer]

its kinda hard to do. the amount of discs would be 2x more. it wouldnt if he just added more scenes, but instead he's adding effects to older scenes. so i dont think we'll ever see the original version on DVD. also, this would destroy George Lucas's ego cause it says that what he had was better and that today he's just riding the coat-tails of himself 25 years ago (he really is, not original these days)

[mtilden]

its kinda hard to do. the amount of discs would be 2x more.

Uh.... no it wouldn't. Haven't you seen the Terminator 2: Ultimate Edition DVD? It contains no fewer than 3 (maybe 4 I can't remember) different cuts of the movie, in a 2 disc set.

[bodhisattva yoda]

yeah. it's called duel-layering. duel-layered dvds actually have a second layer of information written over a first giving it twice the disc space as a single-layered dvd.

[Jedi Killer]

Originally posted by mtilden@Jun 6 2003, 03:20 PM
Uh.... no it wouldn't. Haven't you seen the Terminator 2: Ultimate Edition DVD? It contains no fewer than 3 (maybe 4 I can't remember) different cuts of the movie, in a 2 disc set.
I have the special edition and I love the deleted scenes that were added.

MTilden, but in the Ultimate Editon, what new was added?

[mtilden]

I have the special edition and I love the deleted scenes that were added.

MTilden, but in the Ultimate Editon, what new was added?

I have no idea. There are so many different editions of the T2 DVD that it is ridiculous. There is a version that only has the movie with no extras, the Special Edition, the Ultimate Edition and now the EXtreme Edition. Unless you are an absolute T2 fanatic who absolutely has to have everything, the Special Edition should be good enough. The only real benefit of getting the Ultimate Editon, or the Extreme Edition, is seeing the alternate versions of the film, and I frankly am not really sure that even that is really worth all that much, who really needs 3,4,5 different cuts of the same movie?

[Darth Barrister]

I would definitely pay extra money to have both versions. It would be great to be able to compare the two also, side by side on a "making of" DVD.

[Gazelle]

I tell you what

In ESB, replace the "monkey woman" hologram of the Emperor and Clive Revill's voice with Ian McDiarmid!

I believe that some kind of discussion has taken place regarding this already - Ian mentions it in an interview. I'll post the link of anyone's interested in reading it.

Just imagine, Mr McDiarmid saying those lines in his "voice." Now that would make the ESB dvd worth the price!

[bodhisattva yoda]

it's odd when you think about it, but ian's entire palpatine performance is based on that of the monkey woman.

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by Gazelle@Aug 8 2003, 07:22 PM
I believe that some kind of discussion has taken place regarding this already - Ian mentions it in an interview. I'll post the link of anyone's interested in reading it.
No of course not, were not Star Wars fans obsessed with fixing the things in the OT that actually need to be fixed...

Give us the focking link! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by mtilden@Jun 11 2003, 06:58 AM
I have the special edition and I love the deleted scenes that were added.

MTilden, but in the Ultimate Editon, what new was added?

I have no idea. There are so many different editions of the T2 DVD that it is ridiculous. There is a version that only has the movie with no extras, the Special Edition, the Ultimate Edition and now the EXtreme Edition. Unless you are an absolute T2 fanatic who absolutely has to have everything, the Special Edition should be good enough. The only real benefit of getting the Ultimate Editon, or the Extreme Edition, is seeing the alternate versions of the film, and I frankly am not really sure that even that is really worth all that much, who really needs 3,4,5 different cuts of the same movie?
The Special Edition of T2 is the version you'll find on the Ultimate and Extreme Editions, the difference in those sets is the special features, one of them has a commentary.

[RollaFett]

The Extreme Edition has the commentary. Sucks, because I really wanted to buy the Ultimate Edition, but when attempting to do so, only could find the Extreme Edition. Oh well.

[Leto II]

Pick up the "Ultimate Edition," if you possibly can...it contains a literal "film school on disc," which delves into virtually EVERY aspect of making the film, and which were all jettisoned on the new "Extreme Edition."

[Gazelle]

Originally posted by TK-007+Aug 11 2003, 06:42 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TK-007 @ Aug 11 2003, 06:42 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-Gazelle@Aug 8 2003, 07:22 PM
I believe that some kind of discussion has taken place regarding this already - Ian mentions it in an interview. I'll post the link of anyone's interested in reading it.


Give us the focking link! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif [/b][/quote]
TK, I am quite an easy going person and I have been interested in many of your posts and views.

But just for the record, I believe wholeheartedly in courtesy and respect and I definitely don't respond to swearing.

Please note that down for the future please. Thank you.

[bodhisattva yoda]

gazelle reminds me of the cop from magnolia.

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by Gazelle+Aug 17 2003, 03:56 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Gazelle @ Aug 17 2003, 03:56 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'> Originally posted by TK-007@Aug 11 2003, 06:42 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Gazelle@Aug 8 2003, 07:22 PM
I believe that some kind of discussion has taken place regarding this already - Ian mentions it in an interview. I'll post the link of anyone's interested in reading it.


Give us the focking link! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif
TK, I am quite an easy going person and I have been interested in many of your posts and views.

But just for the record, I believe wholeheartedly in courtesy and respect and I definitely don't respond to swearing.

Please note that down for the future please. Thank you. [/b][/quote]
Somebodies a bit up tight. Geesh.
Does this > style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif not indicate sarcasm? That I was somewhat joking around? :whatsthat:

[Obi5Kenobi]

1. Bring back yub yub, I hate that flute music. It's way too earthy crunchy.

2. Han shoots first, a no brainer.

3. Fix Jabba in ANH or remove him. Fett is a toss up.

4. Jedi Rocks has to go.

5. Have Luke say, "You're lucky you don't taste very good" after R2 is spit out of the creature on Dagobah.

6. Fix Obi Wan's lightsaber!

7. Leave Yoda the way he is.

8. Do not, under any circumstances, insert J.J. Binks into any of them. I heard this as a rumor.

That's my wish list. Not too much to ask is it?

style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/w00t.gif



PS There is actually some hard evidence that there will be Ultimate Editions. Lucas said it somewhere in an interview. Of course I don't have any reference to that, but... I'm nice men.

[Gazelle]

Originally posted by bodhisattva yoda@Aug 18 2003, 01:15 AM
gazelle reminds me of the cop from magnolia.
Is that good or bad???

[bodhisattva yoda]

i dunno. it's not bad, necessarily. have you seen magnolia?

[Gazelle]

I can't say that I have....

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by Obi5Kenobi@Aug 17 2003, 04:51 PM
5. Have Luke say, "You're lucky you don't taste very good" after R2 is spit out of the creature on Dagobah.
Actually, believe it or not, the original line that was spoken on set was "You were lucky to get out of there."

http://www.starwarz.com/tbone/cut_scenes/e...dragonsnake.htm (http://www.starwarz.com/tbone/cut_scenes/ep5/dragonsnake.htm)

[Count Dookie]

Originally posted by Gazelle@Aug 17 2003, 07:56 PM

But just for the record, I believe wholeheartedly in courtesy and respect and I definitely don't respond to swearing.

Please note that down for the future please. Thank you.
You better get some thick skin if you plan on being here!! Oh, Bond did not use profanity...it was an off shoot to mimic profanity but it was not. Get over it and move on...

[Siamese Sith]

Hey focker, what's your problem?!

[Count Dookie]

Originally posted by Siamese Sith@Aug 20 2003, 07:53 PM
Hey focker, what's your problem?!
Exactly style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/w00t.gif

[P-Ray]

Originally posted by Obi5Kenobi@Aug 17 2003, 07:51 PM
1. Bring back yub yub, I hate that flute music. It's way too earthy crunchy.

2. Han shoots first, a no brainer.

3. Fix Jabba in ANH or remove him. Fett is a toss up.

4. Jedi Rocks has to go.

5. Have Luke say, "You're lucky you don't taste very good" after R2 is spit out of the creature on Dagobah.

6. Fix Obi Wan's lightsaber!

7. Leave Yoda the way he is.

8. Do not, under any circumstances, insert J.J. Binks into any of them. I heard this as a rumor.

That's my wish list. Not too much to ask is it?

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PS There is actually some hard evidence that there will be Ultimate Editions. Lucas said it somewhere in an interview. Of course I don't have any reference to that, but... I'm nice men.
I personally just want for the lightsabers in ANH to be improved, Han shooting first, and for GL to pretty please with sugar on it, change the holgram of Palpatines face in ESB and use Ian Mcdiarminds instead.

It would look better and be better for continuity. I wouldn't be mad if he fixed Jabba in ANH but that's not actually a big thing with me.

[Seanakin]

You forgot "Bring my shuttle."

[Obi5Kenobi]

I didn't have a problem with the "Bring my Shuttle" line. I liked the shot of the shuttle too. I thought the voice wasn't James Earl Jones but it turns out it was. Anyway, something I would like to see added would be this: In AOTC Anakin says, "Someday I'll be the most powerful Jedi ever! I'll even be able to stop people from dying!" or something almost exactly like that. In the novel for ROTJ when Yoda says he is dying Luke says, "Master Yoda, you can't die. I won't let you." Then Yoda says, "Strong are you with the force, but not that strong". A little different from the movie version but extremely cool as far as foreshadowing goes with Anakin. I would like to see that in there. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wacko.gif

[Obi5Kenobi]

Originally posted by TK-007+Aug 20 2003, 09:16 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TK-007 @ Aug 20 2003, 09:16 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-Obi5Kenobi@Aug 17 2003, 04:51 PM
5. Have Luke say, "You're lucky you don't taste very good" after R2 is spit out of the creature on Dagobah.
Actually, believe it or not, the original line that was spoken on set was "You were lucky to get out of there."

http://www.starwarz.com/tbone/cut_scenes/e...dragonsnake.htm (http://www.starwarz.com/tbone/cut_scenes/ep5/dragonsnake.htm) [/b][/quote]
I actually read about this somewhere else too. I didn't see ESB in theater, sadly, so the only versions I've seen have always had the "not tasting good" line. So when I noticed it in the SE I thought it was weird. I guess what I'm saying is that the line "you're lucky you don't taste very good" was all I knew and I grew to like it. I'd like to see it back in there.

[YodaFett82]

I think the deleted scenes of Luke and Biggs in Anchorhead should be restored.

[fatbutthin]

I have the original original versions on the trilogy on video and I for one wouldn't want any changes, except for maybe a bit of cleaning up of the special effects.

The black lines around models for example, and maybe make Mark Hamill a better actor ... lol

As for time scales, I saw on the official website that the DVD's will be released some time in 2004 .... any offers ???

[JediBendu]

Originally posted by YodaFett82@Aug 27 2003, 08:27 PM
I think the deleted scenes of Luke and Biggs in Anchorhead should be restored.
true - but that 5 second shot of a drunk Luke being told to be quiet by Biggs is just soooo painful style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/crazy.gif

[bodhisattva yoda]

As for time scales, I saw on the official website that the DVD's will be released some time in 2004 .... any offers

where'd you see that? what'd it say?!

[Darth Barrister]

I heard that they will be released after Ep. III comes out. What's the source of your rumor?

[Darth Vegas]

A fanboy

[Jedi D'oh]

I saw it on the SciFi Wire (on scifi.com) that there was talk about them releasing the OT on DVD in late 2004, but it was listed as a rumor so no telling if it is really true or not.

[JediBendu]

GL could be waiting to release it on the new blue laser dvd format - capitalise a new market

[StarWarsFan1]

It won't happen I would think that they want to get ep3 done before the dvds are done. There is no telling what will be on them but I sure as heck hope that there is a whole crap load of stuff on them. I can't wait!!!!!!!

[hermit31]

Originally posted by JediBendu@Sep 24 2003, 12:55 AM
GL could be waiting to release it on the new blue laser dvd format - capitalise a new market

Actually I've read that the red laser will be the standard for high definition DVD. And George has said that he has been purposfully waiting for there to be a set standard for DVD, which will be HD DVD, and that he has something special planned. I hope everyone here is prepared to lay down $300 to $400 dollars for a HD player in a couple of years, just in case he doesn't release the movies on the regular DVD format.

[RollaFett]

I thought that I read that the new HD DVD would also play older DVDs, and vice verca. Am I wrong?

[hermit31]

Originally posted by GollaFett@Sep 24 2003, 07:41 PM
I thought that I read that the new HD DVD would also play older DVDs, and vice verca. Am I wrong?

You are correct GollaFett.

[PhantomX]

There isn't much point in having HD DVD without an HDTV though, right?

Those are still a couple thousand bucks :-\

[hermit31]

Originally posted by PhantomX@Sep 25 2003, 08:25 AM
There isn't much point in having HD DVD without an HDTV though, right?

Those are still a couple thousand bucks :-\

Definately true. The TV manufacturers have blamed low sales of HD TVs on the TV stations for not providing enough HD programs. But to be realistic, the average person does not want to pay over a thousand dollars for a TV, that's the problem. And then you have to pay another 100 to 200 dollars for a converter box just to receive a HD broadcast. This has got to change!

For now I'll be content with my 32" Sony Trinitron.

[Sluggo]

You folks have a lot of faith in George. I am afraid I am a bit more pessimistic. I actually expect the official DVD of the OT to seriously suck.
Here is how I picture it.

The Special Editions with audio commentary by George and Rick about the Special Editions fixes. There will likely be changes to the flick, but I doubt they will be that big. Kiss the original theatrical versions good bye.

A Bonus 4th disc with "The Making of Star Wars" transfered over from laser disc. A cut scene or two from each movie, each "cleaned up" by a rushed ILM employee. (Imagine a poorly matted ronto walking infront of Biggs and Luke outside of Tosche Station while shuttle craft fly overhead). A few trailers. This fourth disc will be alot like the Bonus disc packaged with the new Indiana Jones DVD. Don't expect a second disc with each movie.

[PhantomX]

Originally posted by hermit31@Sep 25 2003, 08:53 AM
For now I'll be content with my 32" Sony Trinitron.
lol, I'm content just with my 21" Sony monitor and a DVD-ROM:-) I can't see an HDTV anytime in my near future.

[RollaFett]

Hermit, you said I was correct. Another thing I was wondering, though, will HD DVD's play on regular DVD palyers?

[hermit31]

No, HD DVDs will not play on a standard DVD player. As far as I know a standard DVD player cannot read them because the digital encoding is more compressed, and at a higher bit rate then what standard DVD players can read.

[RollaFett]

Ahhhhh....I see.

[darth jedi]

i can't imagine the OT dvds to be much different from the prequel dvds. if they weren't meant to be special, they would already be released by now.

[Darth Abaddon]

I really hope that they do do something special with the OT DVD's otherwise I won't be amused. We loyal fans wait around for the release of this much anitcipated realease and I bet you any money they will suck. The Special Edition of the films and then a pile of garbage and vocie overs. What should, ney NEEDS to be on there is not only the Special Edition of the films but also the orginal theatrical versions. Yes the special editions are cool, but they are not what was released originally and are therefore are not what started this epic fan following. It would be an injustice to their greatness, and place in history, if when the DVD's are released they are only of the Special Edition.

[Darth Barrister]

The very reliable source of Tf.net style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/w00t.gif

(Just kidding TK)

stated that it has confirmed that GL will revise the OT even more.

Who knows.

I just want the Greedo shooting back to the original.

[SmokemDeathsticks]

I saw that rumor too. It's very vague though, I was thinking maybe what he was really talking about was the digital format or something. In any case, I wish they'd just make an announcement and get it over with already...jeez! Between the tinkering with the OT (again!) and the DVD release, you'd think they'd just say something at least to stop all the rumor crazies.

I'd like to see commentaries on the DVD and bloopers would be awesome style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbsup.gif . And cut scenes...they've got to have tons of stuff in some crusty old vault somewhere.

I don't think we'll ever see the original OT on DVD. Its a shame how GL is so weird about it. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif I don't understand what the big deal is. Both should be released...each movie separately please! I only watch RotJ SE...I couldn't be bothered to pay for ANH or ESB SE. Hmm...maybe I would take the originals in a box set though... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/scratchchin.gif

[blacksaber]

They should'nt of put that ring around the death star explosion... no air in space, there would be no explosion style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif

[Whitesaber]

Originally posted by blacksaber@Jan 10 2004, 04:12 AM
They should'nt of put that ring around the death star explosion... no air in space, there would be no explosion style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif
But there was air in the Death Star.

[Tovor]

IMO, that ring was not like a vapor or cloud ring that appears above an atomic explosion, but an energy ring from the intensity of the explosion.

[Darth Vegas]

OMG, it's a leaked photo from the super-secret Ultimate Edition! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

[Siamese Sith]

AAHHHHHHHHHHH style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/censored.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ohmy.gif
Funny bond, veeeeeery funny style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

[RollaFett]

Darth Abaddon- Is that a pic of Grendel for your avatar? Looks like it. Very cool.

By the way, I have no SW comment to make at all. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

[Anguirus111]

This probably won't hold a grain of salt, but somehow I feel certain of two things for the 'Ultimate Edition'

A: The Ewok song will return to the way it was with the singing. I base this upon the fact that the DVD footage on RSIII has the old song with the new SE footage.

B: They are revamping the space battle for ROTJ. I also base this upon the fact that while every other level that deals with the OT has movie footage in it(in RSIII), but the Attack on the Executor level which features the Battle of Endor has absolutely none. I think ILM is redoing them and Factor5 couldn't have access to the footage because they'd changed it already.

Again, I can't prove either of these ideas.

[Darth Badly]

Originally posted by Darth Abaddon@Oct 21 2003, 04:20 PM
What should, ney NEEDS to be on there is not only the Special Edition of the films but also the orginal theatrical versions.

Probable inclusions in the ultimate edition: (NB Not what I want to happen, but what I think will happen.)


All SE changes plus:


ANH:

Imperial march added as Vader steps through that door for the first time.

(And a general note that thanks to Vader having no visible mouth - his dialogue could be fixed at any or all points in the OT if what he says needs to change or be used to tie in with the prequels. Especially watch out for "When you left me I was but up to my neck in lava and you had hidden my heavy-with-child-wife from me but now I am the master." Etc.

CGI Jabba to be redone. (The addition of Jabba was the worst bit of the SE for me. He looked crap and the scene was utterly pointless.)

JarJar WILL make an appearence in ANH at some point. I confidently predict this. Maybe in the bar? But I bet ya, Uncle George will stick him in there in the background just for his own kicks.

Some of the substandard lightsaber work (especially Vader's) will be patched up.

ESB:

Almost certain swapping of Ian McDiarmid's Palpy for the substandard Emperor during his conversation with Vader in ESB.

Likely substitution of dialogue in that ESB scene if adjustments need to be made after Ep III.

CGI Yoda replacing muppet Yoda all the way through ESB & ROTJ.

ROTJ:

Rancor redone in CGI. (Very likely some of Jabba's muppets will be redone in CGI too.)

Tie fighters first appearence at the end to be cleaned up.

Anakin in middle aged make up replacing Nothing-like-Anakin in the Jedi ghost line up in ROTJ.

Possible editing of Leia's "I remember my mom" dialogue depending on Ep III.

Possible addition of Padme to ROTJ - either in the ghost line up at the end or some how related to the twins.

Ewok song returned.

And another shot or two of older prequels character / survivors cheering at the end. Watch out for JarJar here too folks - I'm not kidding. There'll be a shot of jarJar (and wife & kids at his side) leaping around in his bloody swamp. You know it's gonna happen.



I don't particularly care what they change for the Ultimate editon as long as IT ALSO INCLUDES the three films in their original release format (ie even AHN without the "Episode IV" bit.)

If they just release the mucked about films I won't be buying them.

I love you all.

[Justin]

Wanna buy my bootleg OT DVDs? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

[Frendon]

Originally posted by Justin@Jan 21 2004, 08:31 PM
Wanna buy my bootleg OT DVDs? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif
Are those Special Edition bootlegs or ORIGNIAL THEATRICAL VERSION bootlegs?

[blacksaber]

IMO, that ring was not like a vapor or cloud ring that appears above an atomic explosion, but an energy ring from the intensity of the explosion.

It would only collapse from within, their would be no "intensity" ring style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/mad.gif

Wanna buy my bootleg OT DVDs

just come out to kenya, you can buy em anywhere for about $3

[Justin]

IF I were selling any, they would be widescreen theatrical releases (well not really for ANH, it has "Episode IV: A New Hope" in the opening crawl) but they are before the special editions. I also have stuff to make them each two disc sets with bonus features like deleted stuff, trailers, and documentaries, and more.

[Agent Sith]

i saw an old episode of South Park the other night where Speilberg and Lucas try to change Raiders of the Lost Ark. I hope alot of you have seen it cause it makes some very good reasons why GL shouldnt change the OT. what a moron

[frootylupes]

well i for one hope GL wouldnt tamper with the OT anymore. i really dont think he will. he has stated that the special editions are the films he has visioned. i see no need for these new changes. if he was going to change things, wouldnt he have done it for the Sp Eds? this is just fan wishful thinking and utter nonsence.

[Darth Barrister]

with the trilogy only a few months away, do we have confirmation of new changes?

Will Greedo be the only shot? (Please, it makes the story so much better, the rogue pirate you're not too sure you can trust taking our heros into the great unknown!)

Will padme be in it?

will bail be in it?

will jar jar be inserted? Watto?

what's george going to do, if anything?

[Darth Vegas]

No nothing has been confirmed, officially. But they are making changes. Somethings are pretty much certain to be changed, others they aren't so sure about.

No Bail, no Jar Jar, no Padme, nothing like that is being done. At least not that anyone has said yet.

Jabba is almost definitely going to be redone in ANH with a cg model more like the one made for TPM.

Ian McDiarmid is replacing the chimp-women in ESB.

Either 'Greedo shoots first' will be fixed, or they're just going to put the original scene back in.

Now they're saying that Hayden might replace Sebastian Shaw, and there's other stuff too that's being fixed/changed.

[Darth Barrister]

Thanks TK.

What's your opinion regarding the original versions and these new versions. Should any changes have been made?

I go back and forth. I would like to see continuity with the PT (and, selfishly, I love anything star wars and would like to look for the changes) but I do like the pure OT as I remember it as a kid.

Guess you can't have it both ways.

[DarthAnakin]

I have no problem with the OT, I really hope they don't end up putting Jar Jar in ANH though.

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by Darth Barrister@Apr 26 2004, 11:34 AM
What's your opinion regarding the original versions and these new versions. Should any changes have been made?
I like the changes, as long as they can actually improve the film I have no problem with more changes.

And if you don't like the changes, you can buy bootlegs of the original versions, and they're really good quality too.

Lucas might not be giving us much of a chioce over which versions to watch, but the chioce is still there.

[pudooku]

http://www.aintitcool.com/display.cgi?id=17592

Posted this in another forum - but if these changes are legit - it leaves me to wonder what they're going to for these Ultimate Editions.

This can't be all they're doing, somebody tell me this is BS, please..

Pudooku

[Longshot]

Blu-Ray? What the style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/censored.gif !!

Hope I havent wasted a pile of money on my DvD collection! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/devil.gif

[star_shooter]

I dunno, I sorta like that idea, but then I dont. But I mean I like the fact of the changes, just because it gives a new feel to the movie. Though I wish they'd release the originals aswell, which I'm hopeful they will someday from now.