Minority Report [Archive] - The Galactic Senate

Brian

06-23-2002, 04:46 PM

That was just an amazing movie! *The special effects, acting, plot, suspense, and action were superb! *This movie is probaby going to be an Oscar candidate. *Cruise and Spielberg excelled in this one. *It was way better than A.I., which it didn't have to try hard to be.

I just loved how Tom opperated that computer, kind of like a conducter of a symphony. *The spiders were cool (especially when the couple was arguing *:mad: ). *They stopped so the spiders could check their retinas and then went back to arguing. *That was funny.

When Tom was looking at the video of his wife, she said "If you don't turn that camera off, you aren't getting anything tonight." *Then he IMMEDIATELY shut the camera off. *Was I the only one that thought that was funny?

There are some other great parts. *I will write more after I see it again or remember them.

DanielSkywalker

06-23-2002, 07:31 PM

Originally posted by O-B-GATES@June 23 2002 - 15:46
When Tom was looking at the video of his wife, she said "If you don't turn that camera off, you aren't getting anything tonight." *Then he IMMEDIATELY shut the camera off. *Was I the only one that thought that was funny?
Yeah, I chuckled at that part too. The plot, the special effects, the acting, and the directing were all superb. It was definitely a better film than A.I. I thought I had it all figured out, until that unexpected twist when Anderton found out what was really going on. I really liked the part where Anderton and Agatha are walking through the mall as she helps him avoid the cops by using her pre-cog senses, then she tells him to grab an umbrella just in time for it to start raining outside. How cool is that? I also really liked the way that 2054 Washington D.C. looked; the cars ride on the sides of buildings, the cops have jet packs, news papers act more like TV's than paper, and everyone has some kind of computer chip in their eyes that allows them to be identified by an eye-scanner. I have no complaints about this movie. It is very entertaining, but it also delivers a message and a warning. If you liked Blade Runner or any other film or book that depicts a dark, disturbing future, you will most likely enjoy Minority Report.

Brian

06-23-2002, 08:45 PM

The baloon and umbrella scenes were fantastic! Aderthon did not know what the hell was going on. He just had to trust her and it worked. Awesome! Did you notice the advertisments that speak your name when you come close to them? *"Welcome to the Gap Mr. Yamamoto. It's been a while since your last visit." *That was awesome. *Did you see the part were the cereal box was moving like a cartoon? *There are so many cool parts in the flick. *I too have no complaints, yet. *I gotta see it again. *More later, as I think of stuff....

JediBendu

06-24-2002, 12:08 AM

ya - top flick!

It was completely true to Philip K Dick's original short story. People are finally seeing the mind of a true genius (and paranoid drugged up ex-hippie) be realised.

The Doctor

06-24-2002, 01:58 AM

Yeah it was a good movie, but I don't know if it was great. I came away thinking that was good but not 'WOW THAT WAS FANTASTIC'. I think it is mainly because I had gone in expecting an action flick and got something much more interesting. Never saw the twist coming, and normally I am fairly good at picking them but then I never really expected a twist.
Good movie. With some funny scenes in it too which always helps.

BL-17

06-24-2002, 02:17 AM

Easily the best movie I've seen this year so far. Tom Cruise did a great job. I've been disappointed by the last few films he's been in, but I don't see how he could've done a bad job with the film's director. This just shows what a great filmmaker and actor can accomplish. A great sci-fi whodunit flick.

"Spielberg works with the new technology, not for it."

On a side note, I have a question - What is everyone's main objection to A.I.?

DanielSkywalker

06-24-2002, 02:38 AM

Originally posted by BL-17@June 24 2002 - 01:17
On a side note, I have a question - What is everyone's main objection to A.I.?
Well, first off, I don't think I liked haley joe osmett's (however you spell his name) portrayal of his character. He just bothered me. The story seemed awkward and I thought the ending was really lame. It was like someboday was making the story up as they went--"I know, let's put some aliens in this thing." I liked the way it looked, and the cinematography was great, and, of course, Jude Law is a talented actor; but I just really dissapointed with the film as a whole. I have no desire to see it again. Perhaps Stanley Kubrick could have done a better job with the story (since he came up with the idea), but unfortunately he died before he could make the film. I am not bashing Spielberg at all. I think he is a great film maker and I have an immense respect for the man, but A.I. just wasn't his best film.

Brian

06-24-2002, 02:38 AM

Originally posted by BL-17@June 24 2002 - 01:17
I've been disappointed by the last few films he's been in....

On a side note, I have a question - What is everyone's main objection to A.I.?
A.I. was slow and boring. *I actually feel asleep in the theater for 15 minutes or so. *The ending was just way to cheesy. *I only saw it once and I was nodding off then. *Maybe I need to look at it again to give it a fair shake.

Daniel, that was another Kubriak Sci-Fi film that I didn't like. *That's 2 for 2 now.

BTW, Tom Cruise was good in his last film, Vanilla Sky (I believe). *What was wrong with that performance? *The line, "Tech support! *Tech support! *Tech support," was just great.

Brian

06-24-2002, 02:41 AM

Wow, Daniel, we seem to think alike (referring to the end of A.I.). We were posting at the exact same time style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif.

BL-17

06-24-2002, 02:50 AM

I totally agree A.I. wasn't his best film. E.T. easily owns. I suppose I didn't know what to expect from A.I. and maybe that's why I enjoyed it a bit more. It was a little slow moving yes, but it picked up the pace. The ending was somewhat of a letdown, but also gave me a lift. At least the little robot could be happy. I would have liked to seen Kubrick's version of the film, but I thought Spielberg made a great tribute to his friend. Eh, each to his own.

I didn't care too much for Vanilla Sky. That's another one I thought could have been a lot better. Especially with Cameron Diaz and Penelope Cruz (Yeow! *style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/bigsmile.gif ) Heh. Just kidding. I did only see Vanilla Sky once. Maybe I should give it another chance?

DanielSkywalker

06-24-2002, 10:27 AM

Cool, Gates, we must be twins :D. It seems that we do agree on alot of things, except, you don't like Kubrick. I don't think Kubrick actually wrote A.I., but it was his idea. I believe that was one of the next projects he was going to work on after Eyes Wide Shut (didn't really care for that one so much); but, he died and so, Spielberg made it instead. Sometime, if you get the chance, watch Full Metal Jacket, The Shining, or Dr. Strangelove.

PS. I too liked Vanilla Sky. I liked it alot. Pretty much any movie that keeps you guessing 'till the last second is gonna' be good. Plus, it has Penelope Cruz in it, and she is so hot.

PPS. Allright, now let's continue in discussing Minority Report.

BL-17

06-24-2002, 02:41 PM

I didn't think it was going to be the old man for awhile. Then when he started talking about the precogs and them being down I could see it coming. It was cool, too. Not that Agent Daniel died, but it cleared him didn't it? After he found all those pictures of the kids and said "We're chasing the wrong guy. This was a setup.", it sort of makes you think less about him and consider some other factors. It makes sense, too. The guy who runs the project is the one behind all the scheming and conspiracy. A slight change than rather it being one of his underlings. Another thing that sort of helped me figure out what was going on was the film L.A. Confidential. The scene where Spacey gets shot is very similar to the scene in Minority Report.

DanielSkywalker

06-24-2002, 06:08 PM

Originally posted by BL-17@June 24 2002 - 13:41
I didn't think it was going to be the old man for awhile. Then when he started talking about the precogs and them being down I could see it coming.
I was suspicious of the old man all along, but wasn't positive of his betrayal until a few seconds before he shot Agent Daniel. I thought that guy was a prick up until he figured out that the whole thing was a set-up and knew that Anderton was in the middle of a huge cover-up. That was a good comparisson you made to L.A. Confidential (another great film), the two scenes are similar. I actually thought that Daniel was the one who set Anderton up until I saw his facial expression in the elevator when Anderton accuses him of setting him up. He looked really confused.

Here's a question I can't really figure out the answer to, see if one of you guys can come up with an answer. How did those images of Anderton killing that man originate? Anderton never would have gone to that appartment and shot that man, he would have never kidnapped Agathat, and etc. If it were not for the pre-cog's images of him commiting murder, he wouldn't have started the chain of events that led up to it. Do you see where I'm coming from? The images caused Anderton to do the things he did. they weren't just merely predicting the future, they were creating it. Did someone program the pre-cogs to see that, or what?

BL-17

06-24-2002, 06:24 PM

I do know where you're coming from, and it's kind of complicated. It could have started when Anderton looked at Agatha and saw that image of Ann Lively. Like that one guy said, "Don't go diggin' up the past. You'll only get dirty." As soon as Anderton began his search for Agatha's prevision, that could have started the whole chain of events that lead up to him finding Leo Crow. That's what I got from it. Perhaps, if Anderton had never gone into the "temple", he would have never had made that connection with Agatha and he could have lived his life just as sadly and lonely as before, a crook would have gotten away with murder, and a faulty system would have been used nationwide.

Tyranus

06-24-2002, 06:31 PM

<span style="color:red">My brother went to see it last night, he agreed. He was bragging how could the movie was, I am seeing it soon with my g/f. Tom Cruise is always good in those action movies, did anyone notice this?</span>

Brian

06-24-2002, 07:07 PM

Originally posted by DanielSkywalker@June 24 2002 - 17:0
Here's a question I can't really figure out the answer to, see if one of you guys can come up with an answer. *How did those images of Anderton killing that man originate? *Anderton never would have gone to that appartment and shot that man, he would have never kidnapped Agathat, and etc. If it were not for the pre-cog's images of him commiting murder, he wouldn't have started the chain of events that led up to it. *Do you see where I'm coming from? *The images caused Anderton to do the things he did. *they weren't just merely predicting the future, they were creating it. *Did someone program the pre-cogs to see that, or what?
Daniel, the future is inevitable, regardless of the means to it. *Sure those images "created" the future so to speak, but that was what was supposed to happen. *Agatha saw the future as it was going to happen with the conspiracy being the catalyst and Anderthon being the goat. *I hope this clears it up and doesn't create more questions.

Again I say: THIS WAS A GREAT MOVIE WORTH ANOTHER $4.00 MATINEE TICKET! -=^..^=-

DanielSkywalker

06-24-2002, 08:14 PM

Originally posted by O-B-GATES@June 24 2002 - 18:07
the future is inevitable, regardless of the means to it.
Well, I thought one of the main points of the story was that one can control his on destiny. Apparently, the future is not inevitable, because Anderton decided not to shoot Crow (even though he did end up shooting him, it was still an accident, thus not his intent). Plus, the old man (I can't remember his name) changed his future by killing himself and not Anderton. "You have a choice" was a line that Agathat said to Anderton, and I believe that Anderton said the same line to the old man as well. I do see where you're coming from though and it's starting to make more since now.

DanielSkywalker

06-24-2002, 08:18 PM

Originally posted by BL-17@June 24 2002 - 17:24
It could have started when Anderton looked at Agatha and saw that image of Ann Lively.
I think you're right; It's making more sense now. This is why the old man (does anyone know that guy's name?) felt that he had to take Anderton out of the picture in the first place. If Anderton found out that he murdered Ann Lively, then he would be finished, so he decided to frame him. Thanx for clearing that up.

Brian

06-24-2002, 08:23 PM

Originally posted by DanielSkywalker+June 24 2002 - 19:18--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(DanielSkywalker @ June 24 2002 - 19:18)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-BL-17@June 24 2002 - 17:24
It could have started when Anderton looked at Agatha and saw that image of Ann Lively.
I think you're right; It's making more sense now. *This is why the old man (does anyone know that guy's name?) felt that he had to take Anderton out of the picture in the first place. *If Anderton found out that he murdered Ann Lively, then he would be finished, so he decided to frame him. *Thanx for clearing that up.[/b][/quote]
I agree BL and Daniel. I guess we have this movie all figured out, huh? Not.

Tyranus

06-25-2002, 12:48 AM

<span style="color:red">I haven't learned to much about the movie, what is it about it? I know it's something where they can tell if someone is going to be killed, and they can stop it.</span>

Pepper

06-25-2002, 12:48 AM

I thought "Minority Report" was a very good film overall, but one thing that I just couldn't overlook, which sorta got in the way of me enjoying it more, was Spielberg's politics. *I'm truly sick of his liberalism, especially his feminism. *"Which one is the more talented of the pre-cogs?" *"The female, of course." *Ugh. *I could see it coming but I'm just so sick of it.

The truth is that I think Spielberg is one of the greatest film-makers, and I'd see anything that he made, and in fact have seen all but maybe one of his movies at least once. *He's truly very talented and capable. *Also, I truly enjoyed "A.I." *I think it was better overall than "Minority Report", and is one of the best films I've seen in the last few years.

Anyway, those are my thoughts.

DanielSkywalker

06-25-2002, 01:15 AM

Pepper, I would consider myself a pretty conservative guy and I'm opposed to the femminist movement, but I don't ever remember noticing Spielberg's liberalism (supposed liberalism) coming through in his films. Sure, the comment about the female being stronger might have been a little annoying, but, I don't see it as that big of a deal. For me, it didn't take away from the film at all. I think that making Agatha the stronger one of the three pre-cogs fit into the story nicely.

Tyranus, if you haven't seen the flick, don't read what we've written on this thread, because it might ruin the ending for you. Go see it for yourself, you won't be dissapointed.

BL-17

06-25-2002, 01:41 AM

I think Spielberg is a Democrat and they usually are more liberal. Very rarely do you come across a more conservative jackass. Leave that to the Republicans. I have noticed that in Spielberg's films, he is very much for the good guy. Sometimes, not.

I think that the female being the strongest didn't necessarily point out any feminism, but that's just the way it happened to be. For just one of the twins to be more gifted than the other would seem kind of awkward. Agatha was the lone child. The prodigy.

Brian

06-25-2002, 02:21 AM

Also, imagine Tom Cruise dragging one of those ~6'2", 210 lb twins around the city. Would a looked kind of weird for him to be holding a dude close like that. It was just not going to happen. Agatha was easier to lug around. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

Pepper

06-25-2002, 09:33 PM

Well, I suppose one's overall political and world view would determine if and how much one sees Spielberg's political leanings, but for more evidence watch "Jurassic Park", all of 'em. *Same sort of thing there. *As for me, it's just something I've noticed over the years, and it's not just Spielberg; it's all of Hollywood. *However, the way I see it, that's just how Hollywood is, but still, I can't help but notice these things when I watch a movie, and it does influence how much I'll enjoy a particular film.

Oh well.

DanielSkywalker

06-26-2002, 12:15 AM

I see your point. Hollywood and the media in general are becoming more and more liberal every day. It does bother me, but, it doesn't bother me so much that I didn't enjoy the film (Minority Report). If the film was promoting everything I was against and promoting nothing that I agreed with, then I most likely would not enjoy watching the film, but I can live with little comments here and there. Sure, it sucks that it's suddenly hip to be a left-wing, liberal, tree-hugging, feminazi/hippie, but that's just the way it is these days. Besides, it sorta' feels good to be a part of the under dog group. I could go off for hours on how screwed up our nation is (don't get me wrong, I love this country, but, it is not what it once was), and how we as a whole need to turn back to God and develop some frickin' morals, but, this isn't the place for that. In short, I liked Minority Report regardless of the little coment and I am not so closed minded that I can't enjoy or respect a man like Steven Spielberg just because we happen to disagree on polotics or ethics.

PS. Hippies SUCK!!!!

DanielSkywalker

06-26-2002, 08:19 PM

PPS. That comment about the hippies was said all in good fun :D.

Fenja Weada

06-26-2002, 11:54 PM

Darn. I was hoping you were serious. I really do think hippies suck.

HIPPIES :mad:

DanielSkywalker

06-27-2002, 03:14 AM

Ha Ha, I agree with you, Fenja. I just didn't want to offend any hippies that might be reading that post ;).

bodhisattva yoda

06-29-2002, 01:27 AM

jesus christ. i sense the dark side in all of you mofos. hate hippies? against feminism and liberalism? george lucas would be thrilled with his fanbase, i'm sure.

for the record, minority report wasn't an action movie. it had, what, maybe fifteen minutes of actual action scenes. it was a brilliant movie though... and about those who thought the ending to a.i. was cheesy, did you not notice tom cruise smiling and rubbing his wife's pregnant belly? speilberg is just a softy. only he could have such a happy ending for what he considers a 'film noir'

yeah... just to clear things up, i can understand that one might be repelled by militant feminism and hippies that spend a hundred dollars on leather berkinstocks, but as general statements, i must say i'm a little offended. :hmmm:

Fenja Weada

06-29-2002, 01:53 AM

Bah! They're a huge part of what's wrong with this country, IMHO. What with their so-called "love" and "peace". Maybe if they actually did some good, they wouldn't have such a bad rep.

"They want to save the world, but all they ever do is smoke weed and smell bad." style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

How true is that? And, I'm sorry, but I just can't buy into that whole activism thing. It's just too touchy-feely for me.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>against feminism and liberalism?[/b][/quote]
It's my choice to be conservative. When was that ever a bad thing? Nearly all 43 American Presidents were conservative. Look at what a bang-up job they did. As for feminism; C'mon, people. Why can't we all just get along? Maybe I'm feeling opressed by all of "their" protesting. Oh, dear God, it scares me!

But, I digress... Yeah, Minority Report rocks!

DanielSkywalker

06-29-2002, 05:45 AM

I'm sorry, bodhisattva, but, I just really disagree with liberalism and all of it's atheistic, politically correct, self destructive ways. I see feminsim as being one of the main deterants to woman's progress in this nation; suddenly women are expected to become men and men are expected to become women. This androgyny has caused a lack of chivalry and respect in our culture and both sexes are suffering for it. I do not view either sex as being more powerful or more important that the other, but, their roles are very different from one another and both sexes should be treated accordingly. As for hippies, well, they're the ones who always get pissed when the US tries to exact justice--whether it be on the Taliban or some other group or nation that commits a crime. They always say that peace is the answer, well, no, it's not the answer. If the US fails to retaliate, then the rest of the world will know that they can push us around and we won't do anything about it. Justice must be served. Besides, hippies do nothing but smoke pot and have sex with men, women, trees, dogs, cars, sheep, etc. They promote free love, but really, they know very little about true love. What they promote is promescuity. When it comes down to it, liberals want to take away the rights of the people and put more emphasis on the government (socialism anyone?). They want to take money from the hard working citizen and use it to fund all those government programs that will provide a way for lazy, ignorant moochers to continue in their ways. Liberalism isn't helping people, it's just telling them that since you're not as good as we are, we'll help you by giving you extra money and opportunities to continue in mediocrity. The fact is, everyone has the chance to succeed in America and they should be given the opportunity to do so. Stand up for what is right, not for what feels good at the moment.

PS. I am not anti-welfare, I just hate to see the institution abused--and unfortunately, it is very much so being abused in this day and age.

PPS. Back to Minority Report.

Tovor

06-30-2002, 02:37 AM

Hello all, allow me to step into the conversation if you would? *I just saw MR and I thought it was very good. *There is some very good debate going on here and I have been known in the past to intensify such debates with lively opinions and so forth, but being that it is late I will only add for now one short comment. *Let me quote the following first:

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Well, I thought one of the main points of the story was that one can control his on destiny. *Apparently, the future is not inevitable, because Anderton decided not to shoot Crow (even though he did end up shooting him, it was still an accident, thus not his intent). *Plus, the old man (I can't remember his name) changed his future by killing himself and not Anderton. *[/b][/quote]

I may be too much of a Star Wars geek, but am I the only one who left the theatre thinking not only the same thoughts as the above quote, but the lesson of a wise seer who said, "Difficult to see...always in motion the future is,"?

Getting serious again (although the above was serious and not in jest), can anybody help me out with the following, because I either got sidetracked or forgetful toward the end. *Did Anderton actually find the minority report or had it been erased or not existant at all? *I mean, I understood that Agatha's version of the vision was not included in the report that Anderton studied at the Containment Center, but was the actual minority report the images downloaded from Agatha's mind in that pleasure palace after Anderton stole/liberated Agatha from the dream tank, or was that an alterante back-up copy since the real minority report had been deleted entirely?

Brian

06-30-2002, 02:48 PM

Didn't Agatha say that there was no minority report? Ambiguous, I know, but that is what I think.

DanielSkywalker

06-30-2002, 04:21 PM

Hi, Tovor, I'm glad to hear you enjoyed the film. I believe the minority report that the title refers to was that of Ann Lively's not Anderton's. Agatha mentioned that there was no minority report for him, but made sure that he investigated the Lively case further. Agatha was the only one who knew the truth about the fate of her mother, and chose Anderton to help her find the real killer, just as Anderton chose her to help him clear his name.

Brian

06-30-2002, 11:11 PM

Also, did anyone notice the cool score by good ole J-Dubya? *It seemed similar to SW, then when I read the credits I knew why. *J-Dubya did a good job with this one as well (at least from what I heard in the film after 1 viewing).

Comments on the score welcome....

Brian

06-30-2002, 11:14 PM

Originally posted by DanielSkywalker@June 30 2002 - 15:21
Hi, Tovor, I'm glad to hear you enjoyed the film. *I believe the minority report that the title refers to was that of Ann Lively's not Anderton's. *Agatha mentioned that there was no minority report for him, but made sure that he investigated the Lively case further. *Agatha was the only one who knew the truth about the fate of her mother, and chose Anderton to help her find the real killer, just as Anderton chose her to help him clear his name.
Good point Daniel, as always. I hadn't thought of that. I have got to go see the film again! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif

Tovor

07-01-2002, 01:18 AM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Agatha mentioned that there was no minority report for him, but made sure that he investigated the Lively case further. *[/b][/quote]

Of course...you're right, thanks. *There could be no minority report for him because there was no doubt that he was going to kill Leo Crow(was that his last name?). *I find that such a fascinating concept in certain films, that no matter how the character tries he can't change the past or the future. *Like in the recent Time Machine when he went back in time to prevent his girlfriend's death, she inevitably got killed in a different way, and if he went back in time again to stop that event she would have died another way regardless. *And in Anderton's case, no matter what he did, destiny kept pulling him toward the hotel, the room, the gun, the victim, until one way or another he fulfilled his predestination. *

I think my opinion above just contradicted the last statement I made, but as Yoda might say, "difficult to keep the same viewpoint...always in motion is my thought process." =)

DanielSkywalker

07-01-2002, 01:41 AM

Well, it's good to be back discussing Minority Report. I too remember the score being quite good, but, I've only seen it once, so I don't really remember much of it. I need to see it again.

tunafishman

07-01-2002, 02:01 PM

I just saw Minority Report yesterday. It was a very good film. But I have to disagree with JediBendu's comment from the first page that the film was true to short story. While the movie took a lot from the story, it totally changes it. Yes, Anderton is still being used to change the use of Pre-Crime and Wittwer still seems like a bad guy at first and then isn't so bad, but much of the plot is really different. I won't share the main points of the story because I don't want to ruin it for people that might want to read it. Luckily, Minority Report is one of the cases where the book and the film are different enough that each can be enjoyed seperately from the other without trying to compare the two, because you really can't. At least the ending of the film suprised me since its so different from the book.

As a note on the ending - of course it has a happy ending. I dare anyone to name a Spielberg film that doesn't have a happy ending (I should add though that I haven't seen all of Steve-Os films, so this may actually be possible style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blush.gif )

DanielSkywalker

07-01-2002, 02:09 PM

Well, I wouldn't really call the endings to Saving Private Ryan or Schindler's List happy style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif.

So, the book's good, huh? I might have to check that out. I must confess, I'm not a huge reader; I usually enjoy movies more than books. Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep (Blade Runner) is another one of Dick's books I need to read.

PS. Has anyone ever read a book called The Giver? It is quite good, and I would recomend it to anyone who likes futuristic Sci-Fi tales.

tunafishman

07-01-2002, 02:31 PM

But even Saving Private Ryan had the feel-good ending - look, Private Ryan went back to America, had this family (with hot grandkids - yowza style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/happy.gif ) and now he's come back to pay respect to Tom Hank's character and show that he did like he said. So it was a feel-good happy ending for Private Ryan, even if Tom Hank's character did die.

As for Schindler's List, I can't say, I've never seen it...

**Tunafishman ducks as millions of tomatoes come his way to pelt him**

DanielSkywalker

07-01-2002, 02:46 PM

Yeah, you're right, Ryan's grandkids were pretty hot. I agree that Saving Private Ryan wasn't dismal or depressing; it was dramatic and inspiring. It truly is a powerful film. But, I still wouldn't say that it is happy. When I think of happy, I think of like a romantic comedy or something where the male character and the female character get married at the end, and everyone lives happily ever after.

bodhisattva yoda

07-01-2002, 03:32 PM

daniel, how is it that someone so conservative can be such a fan of star wars? han solo was a drug runner. the rebellion was a band of terrorists. and amidala was a leader of naboo and then senator... unless you consider that to be a traditional woman's role, i'm a bit confused. even the jedi (unlike george bush jr) take only defensive measures, not offensive.
as for the traditional work ethic, i don't think it really works anymore. maybe for farmers and people that actually produce things of worth, but corporate marketing and such is just exploitive and isn't about the work but about earning cash and owning as much of the world as you possibly can. i'm all for socialism. there is way too much emphasis on money and consumerism in this country (being america, which i assume you reside in from your attitude toward social reform). and, what's wrong with liberalism exactly? anything otherwise is basically fascism.
i don't really wish to get into an argument, but i just felt i'd express my views as you so thoroughly did.

bodhisattva yoda

07-01-2002, 03:35 PM

and oh yeah. god doesn't exist in the star wars universe. just life energy and spiritual bacteria.

Fenja Weada

07-01-2002, 06:47 PM

I read The Giver. I thouht it was pretty good. Not at all what I had expected. I would hate to live in a world like that.

There are certain things like Star Wars which provide a little escape. Being conservative doesn't mean you hate the free world. Being conservative is most certainly not fascism. How could you say that anything apart from liberalism is facism? That statement in itself is fascist. I'm assuming you think all conservatives are "capitalist pigs", based from what you said about being "all for socialism". I'm probably wrong. I am in no way trying to deface your personal character, but I'm going to make assumptions based on what you've posted. I would consider myself a conservative, as I do not care too much for the liberal philosophy. I don't see what that has to do with liking Star Wars. People have different tastes in film and I think, most of the time, political squabbles should be left out of the theatre.

bodhisattva yoda

07-01-2002, 08:54 PM

star wars expresses certain messages, which tend to be rooted in liberalism. i'm just surprised so many fans are conservatives and christians (which are usually one and the same).

what exactly does being conservative entail? from my experience, conservatives believe there are certain traditional moral and livelihood standards which everyone should adhere to. people that don't adhere are generally frowned upon (liberals and hippies and feminists in this case). if it isn't fascist, it's elitist.

RollaFett

07-01-2002, 10:35 PM

Minority Report was good, not great, but real good.

Is it just me or did anyone else figure out what was going to happen regarding the Ann Lively case well before it was revealed? That was what kind of ruined the movie for me a little. It's fun to figure something out, but sometimes it takes away from the movie for me. Oh well.

BL-17

07-01-2002, 10:41 PM

I think the Lively case was to reamain an "unsolved mystery". It had not been investigated any further until Anderton found the prevision. They had found the person who killed Ann Lively... or so they thought.

DanielSkywalker

07-01-2002, 11:57 PM

Hi, Bodhisattva, first off, to assume that I support fascist views or any forms of sexism, racism, or any other 'isms is just ludicrous. I don't know how you can deduce that just because I'm conservative rather than liberal means I'm some sort of Nazi or something.

Now, for the Star Wars remark, that still doesn't make much sense to me. The Rebellion were not terrorists, they were fighting for Democracy and for peace. They were fighting against the evil Galactic Empire; the same Empire that wiped out the Jedi, destroyed entire planets at a time, and ruled the galaxy using fear and intimidation. I don't see how anyone can confuse the good guys from the bad guys here. Sure, Han was a bit of a criminal, but, he had morals and standards. Now, please don't confuse my being against feminism as being sexist. I have no problem with women having careers and leadership roles (except, I do believe females should not be combat soldiers), but I do have a problem with the more progressive and militant femists (feminazis) who do nothing but bash males and claim that women are better and blah blah blah. I believe that if a woman decides to stay home with her young children (the ideal situation) and raise them herself rather than send them off to a day care everyday, then she shouldn't get any flack from society. You see my point? We have nearly a whole generation of people who were not raised by their own parents, but rather raised in a day care by people thay didn't even know. This is a shame, and I believe the Feminist Lobby has much to do with it. Bottom line, I like many films and not all of them have to agree 100% with my world view in order for them to be enjoyable. I am more open minded than you apparently think I am. I do however enjoy films that are patriotic in nature and portray traditional conservative values (Saving Private Ryan, The Untouchables, Apollo 13, The Patriot), but I also enjoy Sci-Fi, Crime Drama, Psychological Thrillers, dark comedies; you name it.

As for the George W. Bush comment, I find that rather odd that you would say he is being offensice in this whole situation. The way I see it, he is merely exacting justice on the terrorists who so cowardly ambushed America on September 11 (I'm assuming this is what you're referring to, if it is not, please inform me). The scum that did this, and the ones who supported them should have been taken care of long ago, but our former president didn't have the balls to do anything about it. He had ample opportunity and cause to deter their efforts but chose to do nothing. Whereas I don't agree with everything that George Jr. is doing in this situation, I do believe that he is a far cry better than his predecessor in every way. And to think what would be happening if Gore had gotten in Office makes me cringe. He would probably be hanging out with all of his tree-hugging pals in Berkley, praying to the nature god to bring peace to the heart of terrorism.

I love the USA and I am a patriot, but I realize it has it's problems; I relaize that this once great nation is continually declining into a place less desirable ("We don't have a World War; we don't have a Great Depression. Our war is a spiritual war; our great depression is our lives."--Tyler Durden). I will, however, continue to believe in my God and my country; There is nowhere else I'd rather be than in the ole US of A. I still believe that it is the greatest nation in the World.

DanielSkywalker

07-02-2002, 12:21 AM

OK, back to minority Report.

GollaFett, I knew something was up with the Ann Lively case, but I didn't know exaclty what it was. I figured she was killed and it was some sort of conspiracy, but I didn't know that it was the ol man until later. I assumed he was crooked very early on in the film, but didn't know how crooked until a few seconds before he shot Wittwer.

PS. Bodhisattva, have you seen the film we're discussing?

Fenja Weada

07-02-2002, 12:41 AM

God Bless the USA.

Fenja Weada

07-02-2002, 12:51 AM

I believe I have shared the same love of film since I saw 'The Rocketeer' (first movie I saw in the theatre). Speaking of crime drama, are looking forward to 'Road to Perdition'? It looks really good. It's being compared to 'The Godfather' and if it's as good, I think moviegoers everywhere are in for a treat.

bodhisattva yoda

07-02-2002, 02:53 AM

oh wow. do you folks sport itty bitty american flags on your cars?

the rebels were the good guys, but they were still terrorists.

feminazis are not feminists.

our country's reaction to september eleventh has costed the lives of many innocent civilians. the u.s. is helping to perpetuate violence.

what exactly makes our country so great? much of its "success" exists from the exploitation of less developed countries. but what makes it better compared to canada or the uk or like, switzerland...? what exactly?

i agree with most of your points about children needing to be raised by their parents and not by daycare or television or what have you, only i don't think it should be a gender-specific obligation. paternal love can work as well as maternal love.

and, i loved minority report. i also love fight club. at least we can agree on some things.

i hope i'm not being too difficult. i don't want to fight. i just get the urge to debate occasionally. i'm not attached to any ideals, really. the only thing i really believe in is benevolence. :happy:

BL-17

07-02-2002, 03:12 AM

Originally posted by bodhisattva yoda@July 02 2002 - 00:53
oh wow. do you folks sport itty bitty american flags on your cars?
What exactly is that supposed to mean?

tunafishman

07-02-2002, 10:13 AM

At first I thought that the precog was trying to get Anderton to look at the Lively case again because the guy that murdered lively also murdered his son, and there was evidence or something.

And Bodhisattva Yoda - I agree with a lot that your saying, but I don't necessarily equate conservatism and Christianity (you said it back on pg. 2) - I'm Christian but I'm also kinda liberal (although some of the liberal people I know would say I'm conservative). I guess I'm really middle of the ground with liberal tendencies.

And DanielSkywalker - lets be serious. If Gore had been in office rather than Bush, he would have retaliated and not "be hanging out with all of his tree-hugging pals in Berkley, praying to the nature god to bring peace to the heart of terrorism." That would be political suicide, and if anything, Gore was more of a politician(by this I mean, not in touch with the voters, doing things for career rather than what his constituants(sp?) want) than Bush

DanielSkywalker

07-02-2002, 10:21 AM

Originally posted by Fenja Weada@July 01 2002 - 23:51
Speaking of crime drama, are looking forward to 'Road to Perdition'? It looks really good. It's being compared to 'The Godfather' and if it's as good, I think moviegoers everywhere are in for a treat.
Yes, I am definitely looking forward to that movie. This is a new kinda' role for Hanks and I think he will do just fine. I too have heard it's being compared to The Godfather; it's been awhile since a good film of this nature has been relesed.

Bodhisattva, I don't want to fight either, I see we have two different views on things; I've stated mine and you've stated yours. I do enjoy a good deabat/discussion, but I'm not going to keep this going on this thread. If you want, you can start a thread where we can go to argue and bicker style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif, you could call it the Bodhisattva yoda/DanielSkywalker debate hour; Har Har.

PS. I do have my $0.02 to add about the coment you made on our nation's reaction to September 11. Perhaps some innocent lives have been lost in the course of this conflict, but that is war. Look at all the innocents we lost in the World Trade Center and Pentagon, are we just to sit back and do nothing thus inviting more such attacks? More of the enemy has been killed than innocents have; our military has been very careful to target only military targets. What would you have done if you were our leader? I'm just curious.

Brian

07-02-2002, 03:24 PM

Originally posted by DanielSkywalker@July 01 2002 - 22:57
There is nowhere else I'd rather be than in the ole US of A. *I still believe that it is the greatest nation in the World.
Like my old high school coach used to say, "If you don't like America, buy a ticket and move!"

P.S. Minority Report was awesome!

bodhisattva yoda

07-03-2002, 03:34 PM

the itty bitty american flag comment was in response to the silly novelty patriotism that came about after september eleventh, which is more nationalism and comformity than true patriotism. that's, of course, just my opinion.

i didn't intend to suggest all christians are conservative, but i suppose i shouldn't generalize. sorry about that.

i wouldn't want to assume any office of leadership because i really wouldn't want the burden of that kind of responsibility. plus, like bush, i'm not qualified. if i was forced to make decisions, however, i would "not condone a course of action that would lead us to war".... and i don't think because we lost many innocent victims due to september eleventh that it justifies killing innocents ourselves, and as mentioned before, perpetuating the violence. we're really no different. both sides believe that god is on their side and that they're fighting some crusade and that if one side obliterates the other then everything will be hunkydory. and if anyone says 'they started it' i'm going to puke. i want to make it clear that i'm not supporting the taliban in any way, it's just that i cannot support the US for retaliating by terrorizing them back. and by christian values, would jesus condone violent retaliation? what about all that blessed are the peacemakers, turn the other cheek stuff? eh? eh?

er. i'm done. no more politics on this thread, i swear. i also apologize for that star wars quote. that was cheesy. i refuse to delete it though.

oh. one last thing. i detest the phrase "god bless america" as if america is some divine manifestation of heaven, as if god himself is an american. he's canadian if anything. :bored:

DanielSkywalker

07-03-2002, 04:22 PM

Listen hear, miss. I was a patriot before September 11 and I remain a patriot after September 11; of that, I can assure you. It is quite clear to me now that you have lost your ability to reason, use logic, and see clearly on these matters. The Taliban, Al quida, what have you, committed a horrid, cowardly act of war and thus deserve whatever they get and then some. The US is not killing innocents; the US is killing the ENEMY. Yes, the ENEMY. War is horrible, yes; but it happens, no one can prevent it. We did not choose to attack them, they chose for us by "bombing" the World Trade Towers. Start puking, because yes, they did start it. And, we are not terrorizing them, we are bombing them. You probably believe capitol punishment is wrong too, don't you? As for the comment about God not condoning war, look in the Old Testament, there are many wars. David was a man after God's own heart, and he was a great warrior who led Israel into many victories against the Enemy. Jesus is Jewish, and I believe Jesus and God are one and the same, so obviously I don't believe God's an American. I tried to be nice and respect your views, but, you're attacking everything I stand for and love, so I no longer feel the need to be polite. Why don't you move to Canada? We don't need any more flag burners here. GOD BLESS AMERICA!

PS. Sorry to continue in this topic that has nothing to do with what we are talking about here in this thread, but, I couldn't resist.

bodhisattva yoda

07-03-2002, 07:49 PM

it's like mccarthyism these days, i tell you.

Javen

07-08-2002, 12:12 AM

I saw Minority Report July 4th and came away with theses random thoughts,plus I give it a C for being so easy to figure out who framed Toms Character anyway.

a few quick plot holes without even thinking

1. how does he get away in the Lexus, you telling me they can't dial up a helo or one of those fancy jets to follow him. all cars have to have some kind of transponder. How come that car has a steering wheel. Assuming all the cars are automatically driven, how can you have some on auto and some being manually driven. can anyone say crashes gallore. Why the variation in speeds and constant lane changes by all the cars on auto. Wouldn't traffic move along at the same pace, holes being made as cars need to exit only.

2. how did he get flushed down the drain then end up in the mall, dry, that was too far fetched.

3. The eyeball, nice touch but totally unrealistic. Once you remove the eye, the retina will not scan. Lack of blood flow renders it useless. Read up on it.

4. He has just become a fugitive but the retinal scan lets him in? Hello alarm system.

5. We see the constant scanning of everyones retinas, yet when he gets to the door it lets him in, but there would be two retinal scan's. His and Mr Yakamoto's ( his new eyes). would not all the high tech stuff not notice there is only 1 person.

6. all they had to do was touch him with the sick stick, too easy movie over

7. why when he gets to the pre-cogs "inventor" does she just spill her guts like it was old news. If she really didn't like it she would have spoken earlier, or else what, his friend would have killed her?

Vyndim

07-08-2002, 12:27 AM

<span style="color:000070">I'll try to answer these as best I can, but I'm sure someone could do a better job.</span>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>1. how does he get away in the Lexus, you telling me they can't dial up a helo or one of those fancy jets to follow him. all cars have to have some kind of transponder. How come that car has a steering wheel. Assuming all the cars are automatically driven, how can you have some on auto and some being manually driven. can anyone say crashes gallore. Why the variation in speeds and constant lane changes by all the cars on auto. Wouldn't traffic move along at the same pace, holes being made as cars need to exit only.
[/b][/quote]

<span style="color:000070">The reason the Lexus was different is because it was not made for the "free ways." Those cars you saw him jumping on were specially made for that, therefore couldn't be driven else where. *And Im sure you can set the speed etc of the automatic cars and perhapes the computers in the cars communicate and relay information to all nearby cars to prevent accidents. (Hey its the future, it could happen)</span>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>2. how did he get flushed down the drain then end up in the mall, dry, that was too far fetched.[/b][/quote]

<span style="color:000070">Well, I think your supposed to assume that he got out of "drain" and wandered to the mall since it was crowded and easier to blend in.</span>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>3. The eyeball, nice touch but totally unrealistic. Once you remove the eye, the retina will not scan. Lack of blood flow renders it useless. Read up on it.
[/b][/quote]

<span style="color:000070">I believe you are to assume they found some way of stimulating blood flow to the eye after it was removed.</span>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>4. He has just become a fugitive but the retinal scan lets him in? Hello alarm system. [/b][/quote]

<span style="color:000070">He wasn't neccisarily "reported" yet. *He knew they were looking for him, but remember it only took a few minutes before they reported it. *The guy in the train with the newspaper remember?</span>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>5. We see the constant scanning of everyones retinas, yet when he gets to the door it lets him in, but there would be two retinal scan's. His and Mr Yakamoto's ( his new eyes). would not all the high tech stuff not notice there is only 1 person. [/b][/quote]

<span style="color:000070">Well there would only be one. It doesn't take a photo I.D. it just scans the eyes, it doesn't match it to a face. *So if you had your eyes change essentially your identity changes as well. *So he would have Mr. Y-something's retinal scans. *And your assuming the real Mr. Y something is still alive.</span>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>6. all they had to do was touch him with the sick stick, too easy movie over [/b][/quote]

<span style="color:000070">Whats the "sick stick"? I'm not sure what your talking about. *If your refering to the baton the guards had, it wasn't a sick stick. *But the guy was hit in the throat which caused him to vomit. *It was more of a stun baton or taser.</span>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>7. why when he gets to the pre-cogs "inventor" does she just spill her guts like it was old news. If she really didn't like it she would have spoken earlier, or else what, his friend would have killed her?[/b][/quote]

<span style="color:000070">The reason the inventor told him all that is because she knew the system was flawed, but was helpless to shut it down even if she wanted to. *And if she did try something, I'm sure she was aware of the main character's friend's corruption. *She was playing it safe and using the main character to stop Precrime.</span>

Tovor

07-08-2002, 05:11 AM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Like my old high school coach used to say, "If you don't like America, buy a ticket and move!"
[/b][/quote]
Have no doubt that I love my country, but it is a good thing that the above quote is not in the U.S. Constitution, or else what kind of a democracy would we be? *We have freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom to peaceful assembly, freedom to petition the government, freedom to vote for new changes and/or leaders, ect. *So if you don't like America then make sure November 4th is free on your calender every 4 years.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>it's just that i cannot support the US for retaliating by terrorizing them back. and by christian values, would jesus condone violent retaliation? what about all that blessed are the peacemakers, turn the other cheek stuff? eh? eh?[/b][/quote]
Jesus said, if someone slaps your one cheek give him the other, rather than fighting him and making it worse. *He did not say, however, if someone murders your one child, hand over the other as well to be murdered. *

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>oh. one last thing. i detest the phrase "god bless america" as if america is some divine manifestation of heaven, as if god himself is an american. he's canadian if anything. [/b][/quote]
Would you also object to Canadians saying, God bless Canada? Would you object to "God bless this house" because "God" is not listed on the mailbox? *God is almighty and the Earth is his footstool. *God bless America, Canada, Mexico, Guam, Uzbekistan, the Sahara desert, Israel, Saturn, the Urrals, all my American neighbors, tourists and snowbirds, aliens with visas, as well as my illegal alien neighbors, ect...

tunafishman

07-08-2002, 11:48 AM

Vyndim - I would say you did a very good job answering Javen's points, although I'd like to add a few things.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>3. The eyeball, nice touch but totally unrealistic. Once you remove the eye, the retina will not scan. Lack of blood flow renders it useless. Read up on it. [/b][/quote]
Exactly, it is totally unrealistic. That's the reason its a movie and not a true story. Sometimes we just need to let go and not worry about every little detail that shouldn't happen. I mean, any Star Wars film should be a silent movie half the time.

The other thing is the it was a sick stick the guard got hit with. The whole point of a "sick stick" is that it gives you an electric impulse that makes you vomit uncontrollably. Its all about the non-fatal police work, which I think was a nice touch in the movie since that's what police agencies today are working on moving to.

DanielSkywalker

07-08-2002, 01:22 PM

Hey, I haven't been able to post as much recently, because I got a new job and I am also taking a class; but, I'm back and I have some things to add.

First off, I too think Vyndim aswered Javen's questions nicely. I think the "sick stick" was probably actually just a stunner. The reason the gaurd vommited was because he was hit in the throat (as Vyndim said). But still, it could be that it was some sort of weapon that causes nausea; which is pretty cool. Science Fiction is just that--fiction. Minority Report was not only meant to entertain, but it was also meant to reflect our current society and bring to our attention where we might be headed. Sure, some of the aspects of the film might be seem somewhat imposible; but, I remember (remember hearing about) people who once believed that breaking the sound barrier, landing on the Moon, and cloning were not possible.

Tovor, in Gates' defense, I think he was referring to those who hate America just for the sake of hating it; because it's the cool thing to do (or whatever). I agree, if they hate it here so much, why not go somewhere where they wouldn't be so miserable? But, I do agree with you, we do have freedoms here in the US and everyone should have the right to use them.

Senator Theant

07-09-2002, 06:28 PM

It seems as though I miss all of the good arguments long after theyve left the station. . . .

MInority Report was awesome!!!!

I especially loved the fact that Spielberg could encourage me to suspend my imagination for the two hours and 45 minutes I spent in the theater. Although I agree with the points made above concerning the flow of blood to the retina, etc., the excellent pace and excellent plot more than made up for it. Tom Cruise is a great actor, and Spielberg a great director.

Although I was slightly disturbed at the ending when it was explained that the Pre-Crime experiment was disbanded forever, I also came to realize the message that Speilberg was depicting in the film. It has alot to do with the events that have transpired in the wake of Sept 11. In my opinion, the almost perfect world that the Pre-Crime Division was striving to achieve cost many innocent peopel their freedom, because, as we all know, nothing is perfect. These "minority reports" saved the greater good but at the expense of many innocent lives. In the end, the Dept was dissolved and the characters of the story, save those who had died, returned to the lives that they always wanted, each filled with love.

I guess the real question was whether or not true happinness can be achieved living in a perceived utopia. Thats what I think, anyways. I know its sounds like mostly rubbish, but what do you guys think?

Mann

07-09-2002, 08:38 PM

Mann

07-09-2002, 08:40 PM

Now the movie was excellent, on all levels, but i wont go far and call Tom cruise a GREAT ACTOR. why? he's too pretty. He's like Julia roberts' counterpart. they aren't great, but they are well-liked. Speilberg is a great Director though. more excellent films in a few years than most directors in a lifetime. this is one of his greats.

Though waht was scary was ehn they said Pre-Crime was over. Dude, that was like an open invitation for people to start killing again. You should never tamper with fate.

Senator Theant

07-09-2002, 09:14 PM

Everyone's entitled to their own opinion. Tom Cruise has played enough differing roles for me to conclude that he is a great actor. I would say Julia Roberts is a good actor, myabe not great. On the flipside, Keanu Reeves is an example of an actor who is terrible.

Mann

07-09-2002, 09:26 PM

Now, I didn't say terrible. Cruise is a good actor. He proved he had talent in Jerry Maguire, which is why he's still famous. Roberts had Pretty Women, which kept her alive for ten years and then Erin Brockovich(good film, not BEST PICTURE MATERIAL!). She is an idol. Along with Cruise. except Cruise does good movies most of the time.

The good: Top Gun, A Few Good Men, Jerry Maguire, Minority Report

The BAd: Far and Away, Eyes wide shut, Vanilla Sky

Mjade2005

07-09-2002, 10:51 PM

it was excellent and the villian wasn't who you'd expect.at least for me it wasn't

*** 3-sar ratin outta 5

Mjade2005

07-09-2002, 10:54 PM

jeez i think that everyone complain on how the usa does what it does is just digusting.

DanielSkywalker

07-10-2002, 12:25 AM

Originally posted by Mann@July 09 2002 - 20:26
The BAd: Far and Away, Eyes wide shut, Vanilla Sky
No, offense here, mann, but, these three films are better than the majority of the garbage that comes out of hollywood. OK, I'll admit, I wasn't a huge fan of Eyes Wide Shut, but I loved the other two. What exactly didn't you like about them? Do you not like the Irish; do you not like films with a good plot twist and edge of your seat suspense? I'm just curious.

BL-17

07-10-2002, 02:42 AM

I wasn't too partial to Vanilla Sky or Eyes Wide Shut. I just thought they could have been a whole lot better. That's the problem with movies which are hyped up. I couldn't wait to see Vanilla Sky, and I will admit it was interesting, but I was just disappointed. And I thought some of the scenes in Eyes Wide Shut were just unnecessary (ex. the part where Kidman is shown wiping herself in the bathroom).

DanielSkywalker

07-10-2002, 10:03 AM

Yeah, I agree that the majority of Eyes Wide Shut was just distasteful. I was disappointed because I have been a bit of a Kubrick fan for awhile. It just wasn't that good.

Mann

07-10-2002, 01:13 PM

I admit, alot of films are bad. about 65% are named as bad movies. The three films I have said were the worst of Tom's career. Vanilla Sky was a remake of a movie made three years before. what is the point? The film had a good performance by Cruise, but it is one of those movies where it couldn't help the film. Very few films can be lifted up by a performance. The fact that this is a psychological thiller mystery outweighs Tom's impact. The standout though was Cameron Diaz, who could be a great actress if she does more Being John Malkovich roles. but overall, the story lacks alot, and it gets to confusing.

Eyes wide shut could have been something better. The whole orgy thing should have been toned down, giving a more haunting feeling to the film. Cruise was once again good, but sex ruled the movie. that is why it was bad. It was supposed to be one big drama, and it became a major pornographic movie. Kidman was also overrated in the film. She was tossed up as a Best Actress candidate when her role was small and no effect. Less sex, more depth woud have made me like the film.

Do I not like the Irish? I amd like 1/4 Irish! Far and Away was just overhyped and overacted. Cruise was terrible with his accent, and especially Kidman who needed to stop gasping and starting acting. the story was dumb, but i felt manipulated into liking Cruise. I fel sorry for the guy who Kidman left. But the boxing was cool.