Qui-Gon Jinn in Episode III

[JediBendu]

This is from the official databank record of Yoda:

"Not only had many Jedi died on Geonosis, but the very nature of death itself was now unclear to the wise old master. While meditating, Yoda had felt a traumatic event befall young Anakin Skywalker. At that very moment, he also heard the voice of Qui-Gon Jinn, a Jedi Master slain a decade previous. It was impossible *for a Jedi to retain his identity after becoming one with the Force, yet he had heard it. "

So how does Yoda and Ben work out how to do it by ep4? *This maybe a pivotal aspect of GL's explanation of the nature of the Force, and the hence Universe at large. *
This could (and probably will) happen in ep3, perhaps Yoda is delving into the archive and works out how to do it. *By working out how to do it, he discovers 'the meaning of life', if you'll forgive that cliche. *
I think GL has something in store for us, something personal in his belief system that he's going to reveal in his last Star Wars film.

[Polunis]

You are correct; Yoda will have to learn some new tricks. How he goes about doing so is, of course, cryptic at this time; however, we will look forward to putting all the pieces together after we are enlightened in 2005. I don't know if I will be able to make it that long. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/cry.gif

He might have a fireside chat with Qui-Gon to learn his secrets; who knows?

[JediBendu]

I like it :p

[DblDwn]

Did anyone stop to think that maybe the sound of Qui-Gon's voice is part of the balancing of the Force that Anakin's presence is helping to progressively come about? Qui-Gon is the first person to speak from the grave in the saga, yet he doesn't appear as a holographic image to anyone, as of yet anyway. The only people who reappear that we know of a Obi-Wan, Yoda, and Anakin hmself. There may be two catches to reappearing. You would have to had close ties to the chosen one and you must have accepted your death at its time. Obi-Wan is both because he trained Anakin, was his father figure, and accepted his death. The same for Yoda, he was the head of the Jedi Council and accepted his death as well. Qui-Gon didn't accept his death so maybe that is why he is only heard from. It all has to do with the balancing of the Force, but how it all connects is the mystery.

[Polunis]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>I like it :p[/b][/quote]

I knew you would. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Did anyone stop to think that maybe the sound of Qui-Gon's voice is part of the balancing of the Force that Anakin's presence is helping to progressively come about? Qui-Gon is the first person to speak from the grave in the saga, yet he doesn't appear as a holographic image to anyone, as of yet anyway. The only people who reappear that we know of a Obi-Wan, Yoda, and Anakin hmself. There may be two catches to reappearing. You would have to had close ties to the chosen one and you must have accepted your death at its time. Obi-Wan is both because he trained Anakin, was his father figure, and accepted his death. The same for Yoda, he was the head of the Jedi Council and accepted his death as well. Qui-Gon didn't accept his death so maybe that is why he is only heard from. It all has to do with the balancing of the Force, but how it all connects is the mystery.[/b][/quote]

I think you are on to something here; this is just speculation, but this makes quite a bit of sense. We will see if you are right in 2005. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[JediBendu]

Originally posted by DblDwn@June 24 2002 - 13:57
There may be two catches to reappearing. You would have to had close ties to the chosen one and you must have accepted your death at its time.
I can't see how that's balancing though - wouldn't the harmony be thrown even further if only a few started appearing in the nether world.

I like the attachment to the chosen one, although that does have some christian salvation overtones that I'm not comfortable with.

[miyah]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>I like the attachment to the chosen one, although that does have some christian salvation overtones that I'm not comfortable with.[/b][/quote]

Well, GL said himself in an interview once that he believes in God, so maybe he is a Christian. If so, more power to him. :D

[YodaJeff]

Perhaps Qui-Gon was probing the Force, and figured out a way to keep his identity after death. Sometime in Episode 3, he'll let Obi-Wan, Anakin and Yoda know about the secret.

[JediBendu]

ouch miyah - felt that one from here! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

I don't think GL's has ever put any credence in 'God' (in a christian sense) rather in 'god' ( from a total creation point of view). *GL is very buddhist in his belief system so I doubt he'll use christian ideals.
But you never know, as I said in my original post - GL may drop a bomb shell on this one.

Qui-Gon's pretty powerful I grant you that - he would be on the council if he only followed the rules. *Perhaps that's how he managed to survive death? *by not having a stringent code engrained in his psyche, he was more open to a different possibility of existence.
Although that doesn't explain Yoda and Obi *???

[miyah]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>ouch miyah - felt that one from here![/b][/quote]

What? What did I say? so I said GL might be a christian, and that would be cool cuz I'm one. What's the problem there?

[DblDwn]

Without trying to start a Star Wars religious-based conversation, let me just say to JB, you're right it would have to be loosely based on christian belief if one had to have ties to the chosen one to reappear in death. Then again, Anakin's immaculate conception was based on the Bible so why can't we expect this to be based on the Bible as well?

[Tyranus]

<span style="color:red">Interesting! I am sure Yoda will also learn from the Emperor, some new tricks style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif</span>

[Fenja Weada]

Heh. Well, I'd rather not begin a discussion on religion either, but I may as well clear something up -- George Lucas was raised Protestant and still is Protestant. Hopefully that will end the "pointless debate in the Senate". However, I'm sure there will be many more to come... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbsup.gif

It's kind of hard for me to think Yoda won't have a handle on things, but it will be hectic times during the destruction of the Republic, I'm sure. Bet ol' frog boy barely escapes with the robes on his back.

[JediBendu]

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My point was that it appears that it is based on the immaculate conception farce that it's in the bible. *But he may have something else in mind for its explanation [based on the info in the first post].
Considering he's also introduced a physical aspect to the Force in PM (ie the mids) he could put in ep3 some sort of personal insight on his OWN take on the universe.
He won't just simply copy someone else's quasi-theological explanations of existence.

"George Lucas was raised Protestant and still is Protestant"

I don't know where that's from - if you could give me a link it'd be great. *Every interview I've ever seen on GL has his own explanations on the Force rooted in Zen Buddhist philosophies, which were so popular back in the 60s. *
Natilie portman has been quoted as saying that GL believes that evil things are done by good people who have had bad things done to them. *Which is soooo far removed from the christian concept of what is an evil act.

ok enough of that rant

[dexterlennon]

Originally posted by JediBendu@June 24 2002 - 20:19
Qui-Gon's pretty powerful I grant you that - he would be on the council if he only followed the rules. *Perhaps that's how he managed to survive death? *by not having a stringent code engrained in his psyche, he was more open to a different possibility of existence.
actually, that could explain yoda and obi-wan...
think about it this way, yoda comes to the conclusion that qui-gon's way of being a jedi is what caused him to speak from the grave. there's about 22 years difference between AOTC and ANH, to me, that's plenty of time to learn somehting new...

just speculating...

[JediBendu]

Obi-Wan would also have to be told of the technique - he's also had plenty of practise time on his hands, so much so that he's become an expert 'If you strike me down I'll become more possible than you can possibly imagine' - and this to the Chosen One!

[Tovor]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>so I said GL might be a christian, and that would be cool cuz I'm one. *[/b][/quote]

I don't think GL is a Christian. *I think he is into New Age.


The reason I bumped this old subject to the top is because so many people pose comments and questions about how Yoda and Obi-Wan learned to keep their spiritual identity after death; and mainly, why Qui-Gon did not vanish when he died, and how and why Yoda heard his voice in AOTC. *So, I think this subject has merit. *Take it away, someone. *style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/alien.gif

[JediBendu]

I can't even remember starting this :withstupid:

I'm thinking Yoda's going to search the Sith Holocron for an answer and finds a reference. Anakin is revelling in the dark side when Qui-Gon contacts him, so perhaps it's a Sith technique that Yoda adapts?

[Angel_Blue]

about GLs ideas not christian, in the bible there are 12 tribes (almost like 12 council members)the tribes are somehow lost(all the jedi dying)except for the tribes of Juddah(sounds like Yoda) and Benjamin (Ben Kenobi,followin me here?) so its like all the jedi except for Yoda and Obi Wan/Ben dying. DONT TELL ME WHAT I JUST TYPED HERE IS COINCIDENCE!!!!!!!!!! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/devil.gif nice idea?

[JediBendu]

mmm :scratchchin:
kinda puts a spin on the whole immaculate conception angle. Yoda probably works out how to retain his identity after death just after he works out who the midichlorians birthed a kid.

[Angel_Blue]

What does everyone else think,come on no ones replied in like 3 days.

[Justin]

I think the 12 member council is based on the 12 members of King Arthur's Round Table. I don't think anything in Star Wars is based specifically on any one religion.

JediBendu, if you think someone's religious beliefs are a "farce," then keep it to yourself.

It's obvious that you're into Zen Buddhism, and some people might think some of your beliefs are silly.

It would be rude for someone to demean your beliefs, so you shouldn't do it to others.

I also don't understand what you think the Christian belief of evil is.

I'm a Christian, and my beliefs about what is evil and what causes evil might be different from what other Christians believe.

I believe that all people can choose to do evil or choose to do good. I think that's what many Christians believe.

There are many different sects of Christianity, we don't all follow the exact same creeds, and we don't all have the exact same beliefs. I believe that it's up to the individual to decide on his/her own beliefs.

[JediBendu]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>What does everyone else think,come on no ones replied in like 3 days.[/b][/quote]

I did - it ties in with the immaculate conception angle.
GL has borrowed from such a wide range of literary sources including Christian, Eastern and of course Flash Gordon.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>JediBendu, if you think someone's religious beliefs are a "farce," then keep it to yourself. [/b][/quote]

ack - twas a while ago when I replied to that. My apologies.

Still, the point of starting the thread is still valid.

Angel_Blue - what Christian beliefs correspond with retaining your identity after death? There's the obvious resurrection of Christ. Did Jesus bring anyone back from the dead?

[Angel_Blue]

Jesus brought Lasarus back from the dead, and also the whole "Jesus appeared in the sky at the first easter" so there.

[Justin]

I don't think there are any Christian beliefs that anyone will be physically resurrected after they die, that only happened with Jesus and Lazarus (although I believe that Lazarus may have only been in a coma, not actually dead).

Christians believe that you retain your spiritual identity in another plane of existence, not that we can hang around here as ghosts, like Obi-Wan and Yoda do in the movies.

[Angel_Blue]

True Justin. We should stop talking about what religion homie G uses for Star Wars cause he uses, Christian and Buddhast, and Zen,and all sorts of stuff so we cant say he uses one religion,somethoughts he dosnt even use religion but more of King Arthur and Flash Gordon and the 1958 Epic from Director Akira Kurosawa, The Hidden Fortress.

[JediBendu]

'I promise, one day, I'll even stop people from dying' - anakin, atoc

"Could not he who opened the eyes of the blind man have kept this man from dying?" John 11:38

Anakin could conceivable be considered the Son of God, God being the Force/midichlorians. *Jesus' arrival was also the subject of a phrophecy.
Jesus brought Lazarus back from the dead, not resurrection - a person who is resurrected cannot die ie they live on in the after life.

Who was Lazarus - does he have a parallel in SW. *He had two sisters, Mary and Martha, one of which bathed Jesus' feet.

My take on it is this: Both Yoda and Anakin are trying to discover what happens after death - Yoda to work out how Qui-Gon retains his identity after death (ie resurrection), Anakin to work out how to bring people back from the dead (ie Lazarus).

Somehow Anakin messes it up and causes an accidental death or brings the wrong person back. *Maybe a dark side trigger here.
Yoda on the other hand, works it out and teaches it to Obi-Wan, probably once they're on the run from the Jedi hunt.

mmm interesting *

[Angel_Blue]

Originally posted by JediBendu@Aug. 06 2002 - 22:33
Anakin could conceivable be considered the Son of God, God being the Force/midichlorians. *Jesus' arrival was also the subject of a phrophecy.
And if youv'e read Annotated screenplays(which it looks like you have Jedi Bendu,your name) It mentions the Son of the Sun in the Journal of the Whills 3:12

[Darth Barrister]

I heard a rumor today from a source at Fox that Liam Neeson was either (1) flying to Australia to do some scenes for "an upcoming film," or (2) has already arrived in Australia to shoot these scenes.

This rumor mill has been right about 50% of the time. Are there any recent pictures in the media of Neeson? If so, does he have a beard?

Any thoughts?????????

[Jacen Solo]

I haven't heard of this, but I know that George Lucas plans on explaining more about the whole "vanishing Jedi" phenomenon in Episode III, and also how Jedi are able to return from the dead. Since Qui-Gon was the first (chronologically) in the saga to do this, it logically follows that he would be the one (perhaps) to return and "explain things."

Was this on the Internet? Would you please post the link, if it was?

[Darth Barrister]

Actually, I live and work in Los Angeles as an attorney, with the focus of some of my practice being in film financing. As a result, I have "friends" at different studios. I heard this through a contact at Fox, who, in the past, has been moderately reliable on certain information concerning Lucasfilm.

I also know some people at Skywalker, but, for this film, they have been extremely quiet.

[DblDwn]

Originally posted by Darth Barrister@Sep 9 2003, 07:57 PM
I also know some people at Skywalker, but, for this film, they have been extremely quiet.
Anything to keep their jobs

I think it is very possible that Qui-Gon will have a cameo.

I'm of the opinion that Lucas wouldn't have had the first hint, and the first occurence in the saga, be from Qui-Gon if he didn't plan on having him come back to explain it. He could have had Mace die early in Episode III and then, in the middle of the movie, have him come back to explain it. But because Qui-Gon is the one who introduced Anakin to the saga, for all intents and purposes, it is fitting that he is the one to do it.

[NIGHTTRAVELER]

I agree, Qui-gon MUST be more impotant to the story than his appearance in Ep I, otherwise his Voice would not have appeared in Ep II. In the book, Yoda ponders the voice much more than in the movie, wondering how Qui-gon was able to retain his identity.

In ANH, Obi-wan speaks to Luke, almost immediately after his death, then again towards the end of the film. Eventually he appears as a spirit to Luke in ESB, and also speaks with Luke and Yoda. ROTJ, Obi's spirit may as well been in the flesh as he sat and conversed with Luke after Yodas death.

These things being said, it seems like there is a procedure of sorts that leads to the ability to do this, one the Qui-gon must have figured out, explaing why its taking him considerably longer to pull it off. Make sense that he would be the one to show up in E3 to clue in the Jedi.

[bluemilk]

my theory is you become a force spirit much like a ghost and you can 'gather' yourself by manipulating the force and bind it into a visible form. Perhaps Qui Gon figured out that when he leaves his body his conciousness still remains because after all Yoda did say that Jedi were luminious beings within their physical bodies

[mace]

Originally posted by bluemilk@Sep 9 2003, 11:09 PM
my theory is you become a force spirit much like a ghost and you can 'gather' yourself by manipulating the force and bind it into a visible form. Perhaps Qui Gon figured out that when he leaves his body his conciousness still remains because after all Yoda did say that Jedi were luminious beings within their physical bodies
Yeah, I like that explanation, bluemilk. Just out of curiosity, when did Yoda say that? I don't remember it in any movie. Was it in one of the novels?

[bluemilk]

Yoda tell Luke in ESB

"For my ally in the Force. And a powerful ally it is. Life creates it, makes it grow. It's energy surrounds us and binds us. Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter. You must feel the Force around you"

[darthbeavis]

Yoda tell Luke in ESB

"For my ally in the Force. And a powerful ally it is. Life creates it, makes it grow. It's energy surrounds us and binds us. Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter. You must feel the Force around you"

I know this is a little off topic, but those are some of the best lines out of the entire series. One again TESB shows why it is such a classic. Sorry , but I think it is such a great explanation of the force in general and how it let's the Jedi transcende the material world.
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[/QUOTE]Dear baby, welcome to dumpsville. Population: you. Homer Simpson

[P-Ray]

After AOTC, Lucas stated in an interview that he was able to use soundbites in AOTC for Qui Gonn's voice. He also stated that he would need more from Liam Neesom for EpIII because he is going to explain the Jedi Ghosts.

This to me indicates that Liam Neesom will be in EPIII to explain the force Ghost because Lucas stated he needs more than sound for Qui Gonn.

[spaceman2386]

so he is going to be in the ep3??

[Darth Barrister]

Are there any recent press photos of Liam? If so, is he bearded?

That would be telling. By the way, have you seen his wife on that new show Nip/Tuck.

Great show, very sexy.

[Darth Badly]

I hope he comes back and dances like a monkey.

[Darth Barrister]

Whatever. Any intelligent posts (or posts from people not obsessed with increasing their total post number)?

[DblDwn]

Originally posted by Darth Barrister@Sep 10 2003, 06:35 PM
Whatever. Any intelligent posts (or posts from people not obsessed with increasing their total post number)?
I've

[DblDwn]

Got

[DblDwn]

One

[DblDwn]

.................................................. ...................Well maybe I don't style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/hehe.gif

[bodhisattva yoda]

i'm looking forward to seeing him in episode three. unlike a lot of other people, i actually liked his performance in menace. if he doesn't appear in the new film, i'll be very disappointed.

[Javen]

Originally posted by bodhisattva yoda@Sep 10 2003, 11:00 PM
i'm looking forward to seeing him in episode three. unlike a lot of other people, i actually liked his performance in menace. if he doesn't appear in the new film, i'll be very disappointed.
I hope is too. He was cool in TPM. I especially liked the first duel between him and Maul when they were leaving Tattooine.

[mrnapier]

I totally agree with you, It would be great to see him again, he's my favorite Jedi because of his creative solutions

[P-Ray]

Originally posted by bodhisattva yoda@Sep 10 2003, 11:00 PM
i'm looking forward to seeing him in episode three. unlike a lot of other people, i actually liked his performance in menace. if he doesn't appear in the new film, i'll be very disappointed.
I concur. Liam Neesom was excellent and I really liked the Qui Gonn character.

[Ali Arikan]

We get to find out about the hows and whys of the Jedi Ghosts, as told by either Pablo or Rick in one od those chats. The question is:

-Does Qui Gon appear out of nowhere and we have exposition galore of how he manage to return from the netherworld?

-Does Yoda explain to obi Wan that there is a way to stay behind? "I heard Qui Gon; we can keep our identity?"

I am thrilled to find out how they are going to show this without getting hamfisted with exposition.

[Haunted/Hated]

Originally posted by Darth Barrister@Sep 10 2003, 07:20 PM
Are there any recent press photos of Liam? If so, is he bearded?

Wouldn't mean anything if he was or wasn't. The beard in TPM was fake anyway.

[Darth Barrister]

Haunted,

I had no idea. I thought it was fake for a only a few reshoots and that the beard was real for the majority of the movie.

Same with Obi in AOTC.

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by Haunted/Hated+Sep 15 2003, 03:48 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Haunted/Hated @ Sep 15 2003, 03:48 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-Darth Barrister@Sep 10 2003, 07:20 PM
Are there any recent press photos of Liam?* If so, is he bearded?

Wouldn't mean anything if he was or wasn't. The beard in TPM was fake anyway. [/b][/quote]
That's not true, the beard was real at least most of the time (as it is seen in footage of him pratice dueling out of wardrobe on the TPM dvd), the long hair however was not.

[Haunted/Hated]

Originally posted by Darth Barrister@Sep 15 2003, 08:06 PM
Haunted,

I had no idea. I thought it was fake for a only a few reshoots and that the beard was real for the majority of the movie.

Same with Obi in AOTC.
Well, in the doc on the TPM DVD you can hear them talking about how they have trouble finding Liam's beard after the big storm in the desert.

I doubt it was a real beard that had flown off his face style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

[Darth Vegas]

NOOO they lost his wig.

[Haunted/Hated]

Originally posted by TK-007@Sep 16 2003, 08:42 AM
NOOO they lost his wig.
Now you made me so dorky I had to put on the DVD and check.... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif


...and we're both right, they lost both is wig and his beard.

[Darth Vegas]

NO they only lost his wig they never even said beard they said only wig, the beard was real man, they show Liam Neeson with a beard when he's not in warbrobe on the dvd.

[Haunted/Hated]

As I said, I CHECKED the DVD and they CLEARLY say his beard is missing after the storm. It's when McCallum site in the car by the wrecked Pods and talks in a cell phone or walkie talkie.

I can't believe I'm having a discussion on Liam Neeson's beard. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

[Ali Arikan]

I talked to a mate of mine today who works at an agency and nhe is adamant that Neeson has been contracted from the first film onwards for one more appearance in the Star Wars films. He has been misled before but it is just another rumour for the mill, I guess.

[maddog62]

Originally posted by Ali Arikan@Dec 3 2003, 02:17 PM
I talked to a mate of mine today who works at an agency and nhe is adamant that Neeson has been contracted from the first film onwards for one more appearance in the Star Wars films. He has been misled before but it is just another rumour for the mill, I guess.
True or untrue it at least positive news. I want the ghost stuff explained.

[smudger9]

I want the some disappear when dead and some dont stuff explained.

[Hemingway]

I always figured that GL had Liam sign a contract like that. It was GL's CYA clause. He didn't really need him for AOTC, so instead of bothering Liam, he just had his geeks do their thing. I am very confident that QGJ will be in EIII. After all, GL did day, "Next time it will be a bit more complicated." Which I took to mean, "Dang, now we got to get Liam back in for some shoots, and find his beard that's buried somewhere in Tunisia, etc.....

[maddog62]

Lucas Film LTD is the next best thing to the CIA. They want us to think he wasn't going to be sceen again but all along they always ment it to be. It only us realy super nerd fans that will probably find out the truth.

[Darth Barrister]

I can't believe you guys referred to Lucas' lawyers as geeks.


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-Darth Barrister

[rocky6_32]

I didn't think he meant the lawyers were the geeks but the ILM guys were. I thought there was an article about how Liam was unhappy with Ep I, of course in Hollywood, anything can happen.

[kerouac777]

Perhaps his return will be similar to Obi's return on Dagobah.

Maybe he'll give a, "You idiot. YOu thought you could train Anakin as well as Yoda. What Anakin can't understand is that his need for us kept us around." ..or some such thing.

After Ep1, I started thinking about Obi's speech to Boss Nass about symbiosis and the co-existance of two cultures within the same environment. Anakin and Luke kind of embody the co-existance of Good and Bad in the same person. Maybe QG will explain the existance of the ghosts, which I believe is because of Anakin's need for them and his "I'll keep people from dying" comment, as the necessity for good guys AND bad guys to exist at the same time.

But, then, that could be way too much for a kid's movie.

[T-bone]

The more I think about it, the more I really want Qui-Gon to show up as a ghost. However, I don't think he'll appear to Obi-Wan. If anything, to Anakin or maybe even Yoda to say - hey, I was right and oh by the way, here's how you make yourself a ghost.

[kerouac777]

You think that it'll have to happen when Obi and Yoda are the only two Jedi left? I mean, it seems a little mean that they wouldn't tell anyone else, if anyone else was still kickin'.

[Hemingway]

1st: I was talking about the ILM guys, in a joking fashion.

2nd: I think we'll definitely see QGJ as a ghist and that he'll appear to Yoda, and Yoda alone.

[maddog62]

This part may have been filmed years ago.

Although, I do remeber a rumor from probably TF.N about the new bad guy looking like Qui-Gon and all white sitting outside taking a break with Ewen and Hayden.

Maybe this was correct but it wasn't GG it was Liam.

[chikmagnet]

Maybe he's going to be Mon Mothma style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blush.gif

[maddog62]

Originally posted by chikmagnet@Dec 6 2003, 07:46 AM
Maybe he's going to be Mon Mothma style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blush.gif
Lets not go off the deep end.

[T-bone]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>This part may have been filmed years ago. [/b][/quote]

I doubt that. It would have to match the current script, I would thing. Generic lines won't do good if he's showing up talking to someone.

[Darth Darthy]

Pablo just mention in a HS chat that Qui-Gon is gone but not forgotten, especially by those closest to him. Dunno what that means cause this Qui-Gon thing seems to be one of the major plot points that haven't been spoiled yet.
It does sound like we haven't heard the last from his character at the very least...

[Darth Holmes]

Originally posted by maddog62@Dec 5 2003, 11:11 PM
This part may have been filmed years ago.

Although, I do remeber a rumor from probably TF.N LLC about the new bad guy looking like Qui-Gon and all white sitting outside taking a break with Ewen and Hayden.

Maybe this was correct but it wasn't GG it was Liam.
That character was most likely just another Jedi -


<a href="http://cgi.theforce.net/theforce/TFN" target="_blank">http://cgi.theforce.net/theforce/TFN ('http://cgi.theforce.net/theforce/TFN LLC.cgi?storyID=22051') LLC.cgi?storyID=22051</a>

Heres part of the a report: The mystery actor was there several days in a row and looked a little like an albino Jedi with white eyebrows and a creamy white beard similar to Liam Neeson's beard in TPM - he had quite pale skin and appeared human, and about the same height as Ewan McGreggor.

His gaze was disturbing to behold (perhaps it was the young face behing the short white beard and hair) and he was dressed as a Jedi and carried a lightsaber.



- No way that was Liam.

[maddog62]

Originally posted by Darth Holmes+Feb 5 2004, 12:20 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Darth Holmes @ Feb 5 2004, 12:20 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-maddog62@Dec 5 2003, 11:11 PM
This part may have been filmed years ago.

Although, I do remeber a rumor from probably TF.N LLC LLC about the new bad guy looking like Qui-Gon and all white sitting outside taking a break with Ewen and Hayden.

Maybe this was correct but it wasn't GG it was Liam.
That character was most likely just another Jedi -


http://cgi.theforce.net/theforce/TFN LLC LLC.cgi?storyID=22051 ('http://cgi.theforce.net/theforce/TFN)

Heres part of the a report: The mystery actor was there several days in a row and looked a little like an albino Jedi with white eyebrows and a creamy white beard similar to Liam Neeson's beard in TPM - he had quite pale skin and appeared human, and about the same height as Ewan McGreggor.

His gaze was disturbing to behold (perhaps it was the young face behing the short white beard and hair) and he was dressed as a Jedi and carried a lightsaber.



- No way that was Liam. [/b][/quote]
Wow you are digging up the dirt......

[bulla]

I forgot about this guy. I remember reading the report when it came out and I got all excited, thinking that this could be general grevious. Now im not so sure.

[Ali Arikan]

A friend of mine is adamant (no, he is not the bonkers eighties pop singer but instead very sure about his facts) that Liam Neeson is indeed in the film. He says that he will be shooting his one scene in the reshoots and how does he know this? Well he is linked with a British film company that has very recently released a major romantic comedy starring none other than our Qui-Gon and he says that he personally talked to him at the cast and crew screening back in late November/early December. I believe that Pudu has also said that Qui-Gon figures somewhat prminently in an particular scene in the film.

Tons of salt required as always but there we go.

[ToxicBob]

Ali,

How on earth do you get all this info.


Keep it coming style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif

[Hemingway]

AL, I seriously hope that your right. Qui-Gonn really needs to be in this movie.

This is good news, if true.

[frootylupes]

i agree that it is VERY important that qui-gon be in this film. they already said the disappearing jedi would be explained, and we heard qui-gons voice in epII. good lookin on the info ali, i dont know how you do it, but keep it coming.

[bulla]

don't we hear his voice in the second film?

[P-Ray]

Originally posted by bulla@Feb 12 2004, 04:37 AM
don't we hear his voice in the second film?
Yes, and Lucas said that he took some previous sound bites to get Liam Neeson's voice.

He also said in a previous interview that he would have to have more than sound bites of Neeson for EPIII. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbsup.gif

[frootylupes]

my bad, i edited...i meant epII

[Javen]

I have a feeling this thing with Qui-gon is being kept under wraps. Even with things being shown in hyperspace, I believ there wil be a few secret things that won't be known until the movie opens.

[frootylupes]

^ agreed

[xSithxMaulx]

He will not be in episode 3. The only thing that would hold Liam to it, would be a contract, which there is not.

Plus, isn't he suppose to be playing in a new batman movie?

[bous]

That doesn't mean that he hasn't got the time for shooting one scene, they probably don't need too much of his time, it would be an important scene, it doesn't have to be a lengthy one.

[goaltaylor33]

he's in the new batman also? who's he play?

[xSithxMaulx]

Originally posted by goaltaylor33@Feb 12 2004, 10:59 AM
he's in the new batman also? who's he play?
No clue.

And Nelson has made negative remarks about the rest of the prequel. Didn't he refuse to do a voice clip for episode 2? I think I remember hearing they had to use a clip from episode 1 because Liam didn't want to do it.

So why would he for episode 3?

[Darth Vegas]

No I don't think so, I believe the reason they used the clip from TPM is because it wasn't necessary to bring Liam back in order to achieve what they wanted to do with Qui-Gon in AOTC.

[Jabba the Hutt on a tricycle]

Originally posted by xSithxMaulx+Feb 12 2004, 08:31 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(xSithxMaulx @ Feb 12 2004, 08:31 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-goaltaylor33@Feb 12 2004, 10:59 AM
he's in the new batman also? who's he play?
No clue.

And Nelson has made negative remarks about the rest of the prequel. Didn't he refuse to do a voice clip for episode 2? I think I remember hearing they had to use a clip from episode 1 because Liam didn't want to do it.

So why would he for episode 3? [/b][/quote]
Perhaps he will explain the jedi ghost theory?

[pastacasa]

He doesn't have to go to Australia to shoot the scene. They could do it all in a studio at Skywalker. Blue screen is blue screen, no matter where you are style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[Hemingway]

Originally posted by pastacasa@Feb 12 2004, 04:59 PM
He doesn't have to go to Australia to shoot the scene. They could do it all in a studio at Skywalker. Blue screen is blue screen, no matter where you are style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif
Heck, they could do it in Neeson's living room with a camcorder and a blue curtain.

[pastacasa]

True dat. No one else even has to be in the scene. They could just edit him in, you know, make him pretend he's talking to someone, and then just add a few close-ups of Yoda pretending to talk to someone, and you've got your scene. It's pretty simple, actually. I'm sure they do it all the time in Hollywood.

[Hemingway]

Paps has just maybe shot the Jedi ghost thing in the style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/censored.gif .

However, I think he may be trying to be sneaky.

[bulla]

Neeson will be in E3. Either that, or a photo realistic animation of him. He is vital to it.

[Brian]

It was confirmed yesterday by Pablo Hidalgo that there will be no Force spirits (i.e. Yoda, Ben, Anakin from ROTJ) in Episode III. Take that for what it's worth.

[frootylupes]

hmm...believe it when i see it.

[jbird669]

If he is going to Australia, he isn't shooting Star Wars. Pickups are at Elstree Studios in England. New Insider says so.

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by Brian@Feb 13 2004, 08:30 AM
It was confirmed yesterday by Pablo Hidalgo that there will be no Force spirits (i.e. Yoda, Ben, Anakin from ROTJ) in Episode III. Take that for what it's worth.
That's not exactly what he said.

There was a two part question and he answered "Yes and no."

There's still hope....

[jbird669]

If he is going to Australia, he isn't shooting Star Wars. Pickups are at Elstree Studios in England. New Insider says so.

Allow me to elaborate:

Star Wars Insider #74
PAGE 10, 1st PARAGRAPH:

And I quote: "In April, GL and RM will be heading over to England to begin pickup shooting with a newly assembled crew at Elstree Studios in London.

[Hemingway]

Originally posted by TK-007+Feb 13 2004, 05:18 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TK-007 @ Feb 13 2004, 05:18 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-Brian@Feb 13 2004, 08:30 AM
It was confirmed yesterday by Pablo Hidalgo that there will be no Force spirits (i.e. Yoda, Ben, Anakin from ROTJ) in Episode III. Take that for what it's worth.
That's not exactly what he said.

There was a two part question and he answered "Yes and no."

There's still hope.... [/b][/quote]
TK, that's exactly how I read it. Pablo is a shifty cat, sometimes.

[jbird669]

If he is going to Australia, he isn't shooting Star Wars. Pickups are at Elstree Studios in England. New Insider says so.

Allow me to elaborate:

Star Wars Insider #74
PAGE 10, 1st PARAGRAPH:

And I quote: "In April, GL and RM will be heading over to England to begin pickup shooting with a newly assembled crew at Elstree Studios in London.

[Master Magnus]

Ok, this thread hasn't been active for long, but I didn't know where to post this exactly. Yesterday it was hinted in USA Today (I'm Swedish, mind you) by Sam Jackson and Liam Neeson that George Lucas has filmed a secret cameo of Neeson appearing as a Force Ghost in ROTS.

Read it at:

http://www.usatoday.com/life/people/2005-0...m-springs_x.htm (http://www.usatoday.com/life/people/2005-01-09-palm-springs_x.htm)

I do hope it's true.

[T-bone]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Star Wars alums Neeson and Jackson both offered hints that George Lucas has shot a top-secret cameo of Neeson as Qui-Gon Jinn's ghost, à la Alec Guinness, for May's Episode III: Revenge of the Sith. "I can't speak about it," Neeson joked. "Jedi code of ethics."[/b][/quote]

Love it.

[JSunday]

Cool news...great thread.

[pudooku]

Please Please Please... I hope this isn't Neeson having a laugh.

Pudooku

[darthgym]

Although I hope Neeson is in ROTS, his answer could be a clever way to deny being in the film (while collectively yanking the chains of fanboys around the galaxy!)

I would like to see Qui Gon appear, but I would most like to see him appear to Ani. You know, "What the heck are you doing, Anikan? You can't act this way! I didn't raise you to exterminate the Jedi order..." kinda thing

[JSunday]

I think if Sam is hinting too it's likely true in some form or another....i can't see them saying this and it being a complete falsehood.

[Master Magnus]

Originally posted by JSunday@Jan 10 2005, 02:40 PM
I think if Sam is hinting too it's likely true in some form or another....i can't see them saying this and it being a complete falsehood.
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No, that's why I'm also thinking that this could be true.

[Master_Mams]

Oh man, I hope this is true, a qui gon jedi ghost apparition is so fundamental for the last act of the prequels IMO.

[Basill]

I hate that the article only gives you a Neeson quip, but doesn't back up any of what Jackson supposedly hinted at. Maybe this little tidbit will be enough to stir up a bit more publicity and further info on this subject. fun fun! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif (consider my chains yanked style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif )

[Dutch]

I would say that if that is a real quote, then that is pretty much confirmation that we will see QGJ's ghost.

As T'Bone says, I love it. He was a major player in Ep. 1 and I really think he needs to have some connection to the events in the conclusion of the PT.

[T-bone]

I think it's going to really be hard to explain the whole "retaining the identity" thing without Qui-Gon showing up, I feel. Can you imagine the first time someone actually sees him? It's going to be like - whoa.

Everyone assumes he appears before Anakin but maybe it's Yoda/Mace/Obi-Wan or something.

What's cooler about this is that we get a hint of it in EP2 - like Qui-Gon is in some state of transition and not able to form yet. Maybe it took a long time to get it to work right?

How awesome would it be though if he appeared before Anakin right before he did something evil and Anakin basically told him to get lost.

Any kind of communication between QG and Anakin will be awesome.

[JSunday]

Agreed....completely.

[Darth-Malak]

Is it me, or is he the only Jedi ever to really preach to the "Living Force." We never hear Obi-Wan bring this up to Luke, or Yoda to LUke for that matter. We only hear Qui talking to Obi and Anakin about the Living Force...being centered on the moment...maybe that has somethin gto do with it?

[Xee Thot]

Anakin delivers the final blow to Nute Gunray, all the other separatist leaders bodies are scattered on the floor.

The known voice of Qui-Gon in the background "Anakin! Anakin!"

Anakin turns to him, his eyes yellow with hate. He's embraced the Dark Side. At this moment Obi-Wan comes into the room seeing his old Master's glowing form. Anakin charges at Qui-Gon's ghost and Obi wan leaps to barely deflect the blow from his pupil that was aimed at his beloved Master's glimmering form.

Obi-Wan : "Noooo!"

=========

Just a tought of mine...

[bigsllim]

It would be great to see the Qui-Gon ghost. I don't really have a preference if it is Anakin, Obi-Wan, Yoda, or Mace. Or All. Or a couple. Probably Yoda and Obi-Wan together is my guess. But somehow Anakin has to know, because of ROTJ.

.....interesting...

[Darth-Malak]

So why wasn't QGJ put into the final scene of ROTJ in the DVD's?

[bigsllim]

Originally posted by Darth-Malak@Jan 10 2005, 12:46 PM
So why wasn't QGJ put into the final scene of ROTJ in the DVD's?
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Probably because has no direct connection to Luke.... story wise anyway...

Luke would look at Qui-Gon like, "Who the hell are you?"

[T-bone]

Originally posted by Darth-Malak@Jan 10 2005, 01:46 PM
So why wasn't QGJ put into the final scene of ROTJ in the DVD's?
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Give it time style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

[bigscreensatellite]

Originally posted by xSithxMaulx+Feb 12 2004, 01:31 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(xSithxMaulx @ Feb 12 2004, 01:31 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-goaltaylor33@Feb 12 2004, 10:59 AM
he's in the new batman also? who's he play?
No clue.

And Nelson has made negative remarks about the rest of the prequel. Didn't he refuse to do a voice clip for episode 2? I think I remember hearing they had to use a clip from episode 1 because Liam didn't want to do it.

So why would he for episode 3?
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[/b][/quote]

i'm also certain that he said he hated the movie so much that he'd never go back and they re-used his 'anakin nooooo' from the first movie because they couldn't get him back...and it obviously made sense to re-use two dfifferent voice clips to make his 'voiceover'

after things i've read from Liam about his experience with EPI - i'd personally be surprised to see him in EPIII - but be happy if he was...

[bigscreensatellite]

Originally posted by T'bone+Jan 10 2005, 12:56 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(T'bone @ Jan 10 2005, 12:56 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-Darth-Malak@Jan 10 2005, 01:46 PM
So why wasn't QGJ put into the final scene of ROTJ in the DVD's?
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Give it time style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif
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[/b][/quote]

yeah in 20 years time we're gonna get another DVD and at the end of ROTJ we're gonna see every single Jedi who ever lived, as a ghost....style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

(it'll be like that CGI'd scene with the stormtroopers that Han & Chewie chase, which turn from about four in teh Original into a thousand in the re-edited special edition style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif )

[T-bone]

I think that's all media garbage. I believe Liam Neeson (based on gut) to be a stand up guy, not arrogant. I think he has too much respect for the film medium and the people who make films to act that way. I think he would consider Lucas a good filmmaker and be happy to work with him again. Can you imagine him badmouthing Lucas when he's worked with Spielberg, one of his best friends?

I wonder if someone overheard him and Harrison Ford *****ing on K19 or something style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[wonkawill]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>How awesome would it be though if he appeared before Anakin right before he did something evil and Anakin basically told him to get lost.
[/b][/quote]

Why is that the funniest thing I've heard today? I too cannot see the force-ghost "thing" being properly explained without a scene involving Jinn. Also, even if Neeson didn't care much for the prequels, actors will often play a role if their character is "important enough".

[bigsllim]

Originally posted by wonkawill@Jan 10 2005, 02:54 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>How awesome would it be though if he appeared before Anakin right before he did something evil and Anakin basically told him to get lost.


Why is that the funniest thing I've heard today? I too cannot see the force-ghost "thing" being properly explained without a scene involving Jinn. Also, even if Neeson didn't care much for the prequels, actors will often play a role if their character is "important enough".
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[/b][/quote]

That's a very good point. ANd a return in Eoisode III would be of great significance...

[Basill]

Originally posted by Darth-Malak@Jan 10 2005, 11:49 AM
Is it me, or is he the only Jedi ever to really preach to the "Living Force." We never hear Obi-Wan bring this up to Luke, or Yoda to LUke for that matter. We only hear Qui talking to Obi and Anakin about the Living Force...being centered on the moment...maybe that has somethin gto do with it?
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I don't recall Obi-Wan ever mentioning such, but I do recall Yoda making a similar sort of an issue with Luke when he first reveals himself on Dagobah. Although he doesn't mention the "Living Force" specifically, he does mention how Luke has always "looked away to the future", instead of concentrating on "where he was... what he wuz doin'."
I don't know about anybody else, but that little statement took on some new meaning after I saw TPM. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/victory.gif (btw... Was just looking at one of my previous posts... does anybody else think the "wink" smilie looks like somebody stuck a pin in the little dude's eye?) style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

[Dani_Maul]

I definitely think Neeson is going to be in ROTS. As many have said before, the whole Force ghost thing needs to have Qui-Gon involved to explain it correctly. I personally would wet my pantaloons if Neeson is in ROTS. His character is essential to the story, no matter what anyone else says!

[bigsllim]

As much as I'd like to see Qui-Gon in ROTS, I'd much rather Dani_Maul wet his pantaloons...

[maddog62]

Originally posted by bigsllim@Jan 10 2005, 08:47 PM
As much as I'd like to see Qui-Gon in ROTS, I'd much rather Dani_Maul wet his pantaloons...
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I second that!!! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/devil.gif

[jedijaybird]

Originally posted by T'bone+Jan 10 2005, 11:56 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(T'bone @ Jan 10 2005, 11:56 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-Darth-Malak@Jan 10 2005, 01:46 PM
So why wasn't QGJ put into the final scene of ROTJ in the DVD's?
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Give it time style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif
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[/b][/quote]

How bout five hours style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

[bigscreensatellite]

Originally posted by jedijaybird+Jan 10 2005, 05:48 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(jedijaybird @ Jan 10 2005, 05:48 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'>Originally posted by T'bone@Jan 10 2005, 11:56 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Darth-Malak@Jan 10 2005, 01:46 PM
So why wasn't QGJ put into the final scene of ROTJ in the DVD's?
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Give it time style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif
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How bout five hours style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif
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how long for the rest of the dead jedis style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

[Siamese Sith]

That pic is hilarious! QGJ looks sooo smug, like a Jedi pimp or something. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/holosid.gif

[Streen]

Cool news......Jinn is one of my favorite characters. I also think there needs to be a seen between him and Dooku in Ep. I, if nothing else than about why he's leaving the order.

It also would have be cool if Qui-Gon appeared during the Dooku duel......try to talk some sense into the Count. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

[BaronM]

That pic is hilarious! QGJ looks sooo smug, like a Jedi pimp or something


Smug is right ... as in ... I told you MF'ers he was the chosen one.

[Razorback]

It isn't like Jinn has to appear as a Force ghost. If we just hear his voice then it affirms the idea that the only Jedi who can retain their identity in a ghost form are those who willingly let go of their physical form.

Jinn may have learned how to retain his identity somewhere along in the process of death (or prior to, in study, and then affected this retaining in death). We will find out for sure in about 3 months. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[darthgym]

Originally posted by bigsllim+Jan 10 2005, 12:50 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(bigsllim @ Jan 10 2005, 12:50 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-Darth-Malak@Jan 10 2005, 12:46 PM
So why wasn't QGJ put into the final scene of ROTJ in the DVD's?
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Probably because has no direct connection to Luke.... story wise anyway...

Luke would look at Qui-Gon like, "Who the hell are you?"
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Luke should also look at Hayden like, "Who are you? I toasted up Sebastion Shaw!"

[bigsllim]

Originally posted by darthgym+Jan 11 2005, 12:55 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(darthgym @ Jan 11 2005, 12:55 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'>Originally posted by bigsllim@Jan 10 2005, 12:50 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Darth-Malak@Jan 10 2005, 12:46 PM
So why wasn't QGJ put into the final scene of ROTJ in the DVD's?
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Probably because has no direct connection to Luke.... story wise anyway...

Luke would look at Qui-Gon like, "Who the hell are you?"
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Luke should also look at Hayden like, "Who are you? I toasted up Sebastion Shaw!"
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[/b][/quote]

I agree with this as well. Luke would not know what his father looked like in his youth.

Then again, because they are father and son, you could kind of rationalize how Luke would understand that Hayden was his pops. But it's a push, and Qui-Gon would be an even bigger push...

[qui-riv-brid]

Sounds more like a gag. If it's so secret why tell us?

[MeBeJedi]

"True or untrue it at least positive news. I want the ghost stuff explained."

Kinda funny when you consider that Obi-wan wasn't originally supposed to die in ANH. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

"Any kind of communication between QG and Anakin will be awesome."

Yoda, yes. Anakin, no...otherwise, he would understand what happened to Obi-wan in ANH. As he said in ESB, "Obi-wan can no longer help him". Vader had no clue. Being a Force ghost is the Jedi's ace up their sleeve.

"No I don't think so, I believe the reason they used the clip from TPM is because it wasn't necessary to bring Liam back in order to achieve what they wanted to do with Qui-Gon in AOTC."

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>STARLOG: And isnt that Qui-Gon Jinns [Liam Neeson] voice we hear during Anakins attack on the Tusken Raiders who killed Shmi Skywalker [Pernilla August]?

LUCAS: That's a fan thing, isn't it? It's actually more than that. It's a plot point. All I can really say is that you'll find out [more] in the next film. If you thought really hard, you would probably be able to figure it out, but it really is a set-up for the next film. It's connected with the whole ability to be brought into and become a part of the Force, but still be able to retain YOUR ability which, up to this point, Anakin couldn't do ot. We talked to Liam about [recording new dialogue], and we went back and forth [about it]. This [dialogue] is something we already had [from Menace]. Next time will be a little more complicated. - Lucas (http://www.starwarsfan.org/prequels/faq/spoil1.html)[/b][/quote]

"actors will often play a role if their character is "important enough"."

Alec Guinness was proof of that.

[master dudeness]

sam jackson said on lettermen he had to go do reshoots in england.

im wondering if the shoots will be with Liam Neeson

it would kinda of make since

we are in the crunch time period as far as editing/special effects/cg

i think lucas has waited to the last minute(in movie making since)to bring Liam Neeson in for his work.

if this is true this would mean one of 2 things
qui-gon appears to mace for shure

but who else?

i would think this is a secret shoot/small film crew.

kinda like the cut scene from rotj/luke constructing his lightsabre

it could be sam jackson/Liam Neeson/lucas/yoda/lucas
i would hope he would appear to obi-wan

really don't want to see him appear to anikan
because we know it would be in vain

[Dani_Maul]

I just got the new Insider, and in the prequel update, McCallum mentions that reshoots are scheduled for the end of January. He only confirmed that Hayden and Natalie were shooting scenes, but this could be where Liam gets into the film, as we all know, Lucas never finishes the film until literally days before release. Just look at AOTC.

[P-Ray]

Originally posted by Dani_Maul@Jan 12 2005, 09:30 PM
I just got the new Insider, and in the prequel update, McCallum mentions that reshoots are scheduled for the end of January. He only confirmed that Hayden and Natalie were shooting scenes, but this could be where Liam gets into the film, as we all know, Lucas never finishes the film until literally days before release. Just look at AOTC.
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Hey....I haven't gotten my new Insider yet! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif

[Dani_Maul]

I know how you feel, this is unusual for me. I almost never get my Insider on time, I usually get it a week or two after they ship...why? I wish I knew. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif

[Master_Mams]

Originally posted by master dudeness@Jan 13 2005, 04:24 AM
sam jackson said on lettermen he had to go do reshoots in england...
if this is true this would mean one of 2 things
qui-gon appears to mace for shure
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For sure? How come? It's bluescreen !!!

[master dudeness]

Master_Mams not to offend you,but if your going to paste part of my post,please contain the whole thing ,"shurly you must realise this".

the point i was trying to make in Replying to the Liam Neeson Rumor was sam jackson saying ,on letterman he was off to do reshoots,plus the fact in the vanity fair article t,he question was asked to neeson if "he would return in rots" he said something like (not exact quote)"it is not in a jedi's code to say" while smiling to who else....sam jackson

[Master_Mams]

Point taken about the pasting, and I apologize if I offended you in any way.

Now, it seems you are mistaken about the vanity fair article, because Neeson isn't interviewed in it at all. That info came from usatoday while covering the 16th annual Palm Springs Film Festival. Check the first page of this topic, you'll find the link.

And you are free to think what you want to, but a smile isn't relevant of anything for me, certainly not when Neeson is joking with journalists using starwars expressions.

[master dudeness]

point taken mate

[Dutch]

Does the little flash of Qui Gon in the teaser trailer now take on some more significance, with these rumors coming to light?

[bigscreensatellite]

Originally posted by Dutch@Jan 13 2005, 07:52 AM
Does the little flash of Qui Gon in the teaser trailer now take on some more significance, with these rumors coming to light?
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not necessarily...i can't see Alec Guiness appearing in the moive....depite being in the teaser....

[Dutch]

Really?

[jsokko]

I am not as fond of Qui Gon as a lot of you are. I don't think he needs to be in EP.3
I think having Qui Gon in the film will cause even more questions then before.

After Qui Gon died, he was cremated. So was Vader in Return of the Jedi. This tells me that these two were not 100% spiritually connected with the good side of the Force, as Ben & Yoda were.

I think disappearing & reappearing go hand in hand. I also think a Jedi's destiny plays a role in this as well.

I just have a feeling that Lucas is really going to screw this "Spirit" thing up.
I like Lucas, but some of his writing is just sub-par.

[JLX-1138]

Originally posted by bigscreensatellite+Jan 13 2005, 07:54 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(bigscreensatellite @ Jan 13 2005, 07:54 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-Dutch@Jan 13 2005, 07:52 AM
Does the little flash of Qui Gon in the teaser trailer now take on some more significance, with these rumors coming to light?
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not necessarily...i can't see Alec Guiness appearing in the moive....depite being in the teaser....
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well from a certain point of view sir guiness is in the movie... through Ewan MacGregor...


Originally posted by jsokko@Jan 13 2005, 08:39 AM
I am not as fond of Qui Gon as a lot of you are. I don't think he needs to be in EP.3
I think having Qui Gon in the film will cause even more questions then before.

After Qui Gon died, he was cremated. So was Vader in Return of the Jedi. This tells me that these two were not 100% spiritually connected with the good side of the Force, as Ben & Yoda were.

I think disappearing & reappearing go hand in hand. I also think a Jedi's destiny plays a role in this as well.

I just have a feeling that Lucas is really going to screw this "Spirit" thing up.
I like Lucas, but some of his writing is just sub-par.
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But Anakin appeared as a spirit. And i don't see how gui-gon is not as connected to the good side of the force. He's more wreckless and he trusts his feelings more than the wisest jedi, but in my opinion that does not make him a bad jedi. For me you're not connected to the good side of the force when you use it for attack or to gain power over people.



I'd like to see an intimate dialogue between gui-gon and obi-wan, where the teacher tells his old student he's proud of what he became. because in his last moments gui-gon didn't say good bye to his padawan.

[bigsllim]

Quite frankly, I don't really care who comes back, as long as the ghost thing is explained and executed well. I'd like to see Qui-Gon return. But if he does not, and Lucas finds some other very effective way to relaythe concept, I will be equally, if not more pleased.

QUi-Gon would be nice, but doing it right is the most important thing to me, whatever method is used...

[goodwije]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>I think disappearing & reappearing go hand in hand[/b][/quote]

well.. anakin reappeared in spirit form so i am not sure that is true. I know the EU says he disapeared and Luke only cremated the vadersuit but that isnt what is shown in the movie

[bigscreensatellite]

granted i accept that, but i believe the trailer to represent what has gone before and where we will get to...and the fact that a character is in that trailer does not mean that they are in the film....and as much as he tries Ewan Mcgregor is not going to sound and look exactly like Sir Alec did....he's close but not quite there...

all that said i'd like to see Liam back, but until its confirmed i really don't see it happening

[jsokko]

JLX-1138, I am not saying Qui-Gon was bad. I am just saying he wasn't as spiritually connected to the Force as Ben & Yoda. Some people are more spiritual then others. In this case, Yoda & Ben are more spiritual, wise and powerful.
Example: A Priest compared to a Saint.

As far as Anakin's spirit at the end of Return of the Jedi. It was just a way to show that Anakin's soul was really saved. Lucas didn't even have to put that scene in the movie. It was obvious that Anakin was "saved" when he saved Luke's life.

Goodwije, I only go by the films. Some of that EU stuff is silly. Why would Luke waste his time cremating an empty Vader suit?

[JSunday]

I must respectfully disagree. I think that while Obi Wan is indeed wise, as Jinn himself said, I don't think Qui Gon is less spiritually connected to the Force. Afterall, if he's the first to exercise this spiritual practice and it's from this example that Yoda and Kenobi learn how to do it, how can you say he's LESS spiritually connected? Where's the example of this?

[T-bone]

Fanboys like to make up their own rules based on what they see.

Note to fanboys: Lucas makes the rules.

Enjoy the films and be happy.

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Originally posted by T'bone@Jan 13 2005, 10:33 AM
Fanboys like to make up their own rules based on what they see.

Note to fanboys: Lucas makes the rules.

Enjoy the films and be happy.
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Note to T-Bone: Lucas is the 'Ultimate Fanboy' style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif







still he does wield the power...and we can but dream....(and enjoy his work style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif )

[goodwije]

I think what T means is just because you view the Spirit connection of the force a certain way doesnt mean when GL presents it different that he "ruined" it. It is his story to tell.

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Originally posted by goodwije@Jan 13 2005, 10:44 AM
I think what T means is just because you view the Spirit connection of the force a certain way doesnt mean when GL presents it different that he "ruined" it. It is his story to tell.
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ha! i know what T meant, after all we're all fan boys here and what makes up 95% of these threads is what fanboys believe and would like to have happened rather than what has or will happen...

"i'd like to see this..." or "that should have been done like that..."

i just think that a lot of people are so attached to these 5 (6) movies that we feel we have the right to 'own' them aswell...like I said Lucas is the ultimate fanboy, he was just a boy racer who wanted to make space movies...its just, unlike 99% of us, he's actually done it and is bloody successful at it!

we're all jealous really style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

[T-bone]

I wasn't referring to anyone here in particular, I just was reminded of a few things and a few emails I've gotten over the years that usually go like this:

"Lucas did this and said this in Episode XX so that means the rule is that in EPISODE III XXXXXX will happen and XXXXX can't be a force ghost because such and such happened in Episode XX and this and that can't happen...."

and so on and so on.

"Lucas only does this or says that...Lucas has always done XXXX in the films so in Ep3, this and that will happen."

That stuff drives me nuts.

"Lucas only uses 3 planets per film..." argh.

Just saying - have fun trying to figure all this stuff out, but stay away from making these definitive blanket statements with absolute certainty. Lucas will surprise a few people with this film, I think, with a few creative decisions...

I don't think anyone saw Palpatine with a lightsaber coming.
12 (more or less) planets, etc.

[T-bone]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>after all we're all fan boys here[/b][/quote]

Speak for yourself, sonny boy.
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Originally posted by T'bone@Jan 13 2005, 10:52 AM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>after all we're all fan boys here

Speak for yourself, sonny boy.
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sorry boss....i'm not the one with the SW website style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

[T-bone]

Websites, do not a fanboy make.

There is a distinct difference between the FAN and the FANBOY

[T-bone]

Back to Liam Neeson please...

[goodwije]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>I don't think anyone saw Palpatine with a lightsaber coming[/b][/quote]

I know i certianly didn't.. and i am stil not sure i like it. That said, from everything i hear it will be a cool scene, and i am getting more excited about it. I am not going to hate it automatically because it is how i pictured it.

It is the same with QG. I think it is important to the spirit story line (and for continuity) that he show up in happy glowy form, and have a chit chat with Yoda and/or Ben. If it doesnt happen though, it is not going to take away from the movie for me, i will just have to take what GL give. IMO he has done pretty well so far.

[jsokko]

JSunday, Example, Ben & Yoda disappear after they die. Qui-Gon gets cremated after he dies.

T'Bone, yes Lucas makes the rules, even if they stink and don't make much sense at times! Don't get me wrong, I love Star Wars, even bad Star Wars, but some of his ideas are just plain ridiculous!

T'Bone, when you first saw Empire Strikes Back, were you happy that Vader was Luke's dad? I thought it was ridiculous. But, I got over it, and moved on.

What about Return of the Jedi? Did you like the idea of the Princess being Luke's sister? Now, that's one thing that has never sat too well with me. What are the freakin odds of those two being related??

How about a young Anakin building C3-PO? Oh, Brother!

Some of this writing seems like it came from day time soaps!

T'Bone, all I am saying is that I want better writing in EP.3

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Originally posted by jsokko@Jan 13 2005, 10:58 AM
T'Bone, all I am saying is that I want better writing in EP.3
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its not gonna happen with Lucas at the helm...

and Lucas will always go back to the fact these movies are for kids (and hence are simplistically written...where sometime the logic goes out the window...)

kids don't ask too many 'searching' questions

back to Liam...

[T-bone]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>T'Bone, yes Lucas makes the rules, even if they stink and don't make much sense at times! Don't get me wrong, I love Star Wars, even bad Star Wars, but some of his ideas are just plain ridiculous![/b][/quote]

That's YOUR opinion.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>T'Bone, when you first saw Empire Strikes Back, were you happy that Vader was Luke's dad? I thought it was ridiculous. But, I got over it, and moved on. [/b][/quote]

I was blown away and I was totally fine with it. It gave the story a LOT more weight.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>What about Return of the Jedi? Did you like the idea of the Princess being Luke's sister? Now, that's one thing that has never sat too well with me. What are the freakin odds of those two being related?? [/b][/quote]

At the time I thought it was fantastic - I was 13. Later I thought it was a little weird but in the bigger picture it was actually pretty dead on. I know Lucas grappled with that for a while as well.

The odds of it are that way because of the story. It's fiction - suspend your disbelief, man. I did say that in the prequels if we found out one more person was related to one more other person, I'd feel it was a but much --- and Lucas did reverse the idea that Owen is Obi-Wan's brother, so that's cool.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>How about a young Anakin building C3-PO? Oh, Brother![/b][/quote]

I like it - and again, this is YOUR opinion. Remember, C-3PO was probably made up of parts but most of him probably existed before. At least his "brain" or whatever. Anakin probably just wiped it. It's not a big deal, man.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Some of this writing seems like it came from day time soaps![/b][/quote]

That's the point. That's what the early serials were, which is what this is all based on. Space Opera.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>T'Bone, all I am saying is that I want better writing in EP.3[/b][/quote]
Then there's no helping you.

[T-bone]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>T'Bone, when you first saw Empire Strikes Back, were you happy that Vader was Luke's dad? I thought it was ridiculous. But, I got over it, and moved on. [/b][/quote]

Actually, it doesn't really sound like you've moved on. It sounds like you're still harboring a lot of anger, as evident in that post, demanding this and that, calling the choices ridiculous. You sound like a basher, no offense, and that's cool but let's not let that develop into a flaming kind of thing and we'll all be ok here.

[goodwije]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>were you happy that Vader was Luke's dad? I thought it was ridiculous. But, I got over it, and moved on[/b][/quote]

well i was like 6, so in all actuallity i didn't believe it. I was convinced that Vader was lieing. As i got older it really started to make sense, certainly two of the most powerful people in the galaxy are destined to meet face to face, and the fact that they are father and son just adds to the story IMO.

[bigsllim]

If Qui-Gon makes a "happy glow" appearance in EIII, I think it will be a good choice. I also feel that it can be effective with the character. My personal preference is that GL uses that character, but he may not, and as long as it is done well, I'm fine with either choice.

happy glow for Neisom.

[jsokko]

T'bone, I don't have any anger, I'm just trying to express myself as a fan to a fan.
It's obvious that you like a lot more of Lucas' writing then I do.

[maddog62]

Originally posted by bigsllim@Jan 13 2005, 04:54 PM
If Qui-Gon makes a "happy glow" appearance in EIII, I think it will be a good choice. I also feel that it can be effective with the character. My personal preference is that GL uses that character, but he may not, and as long as it is done well, I'm fine with either choice.

happy glow for Neisom.
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I think what we hear in the LFL Diversion Campain (Liam Hates Lucas) is all a bunch of crap designed to through us off about the QG ghost stuff. I have no doubt in my mind that I will see QG as a ghost. He id the same thing with Sir Alac and poof, he was in ESB and ROTJ.

[bigsllim]

I think we should all focus on the big picture, and that is the use of the term "happy glow".

If you miss the happy glow, then my friends, you've missed the entire crux.

[Graeber]

This is my first post so I hope it comes out well. In the original trilogy, Obi only speaks to Luke at fist then later on appears, hence Qui-Gon speaking only. Then Yoda explains to Luke luminous beings we are not this crude matter. So I don't believe disappearing or cremated matters. Thank you

[T-bone]

Yea - I'm not down with all this nonsense about disappearing/cremating decides all this for pete's sake.

Let me say this to you: the "fading away" thing was done for DRAMATIC tone. It is fanboys who make a big deal out of it.

Fade away, don't fade away, it doesn't matter. Fact is, you die and in relation to the jedi in question, they are able to retain their identity somehow.

Maybe we won't see the Qui-Gon ghost and that's fine but he's definitely the KEY to all this. Will he show up or just communicate and tell Yoda or whoever what's up? We shall see...

[bigsllim]

Originally posted by Graeber@Jan 13 2005, 01:04 PM
This is my first post so I hope it comes out well. In the original trilogy, Obi only speaks to Luke at fist then later on appears, hence Qui-Gon speaking only. Then Yoda explains to Luke luminous beings we are not this crude matter. So I don't believe disappearing or cremated matters. Thank you
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Very well put Newbie. I agree with assessment....

.....you know, it seems like only a week ago that I myself was a newbie.......

......wait, a week ago I was a newbie. Please disregard my musings.

[bigsllim]

Originally posted by T'bone@Jan 13 2005, 01:07 PM
Yea - I'm not down with all this nonsense about disappearing/cremating decides all this for pete's sake.

Let me say this to you: the "fading away" thing was done for DRAMATIC tone. It is fanboys who make a big deal out of it.

Fade away, don't fade away, it doesn't matter. Fact is, you die and in relation to the jedi in question, they are able to retain their identity somehow.

Maybe we won't see the Qui-Gon ghost and that's fine but he's definitely the KEY to all this. Will he show up or just communicate and tell Yoda or whoever what's up? We shall see...
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I agree. The fading away is a great visual, but not integral to the plot.

[jsokko]

Well, I would like to see SOME consistency between the two trilogy's.

[T-bone]

Oh please - you'll see plenty.
How about seeing the film first?

[Otis_Frampton]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Well, I would like to see SOME consistency between the two trilogy's.[/b][/quote]

. . the two trilogy's what, exactly?

Anyway . . what T said.

-Otis

[bigsllim]

so far, there I've seen plenty on consistency between the trilogies. and I believe we will see even more when more loose ends are tied up in E III. EIther with or without Liam, we will get more answers and clarity. IMHO.

[JSunday]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>JSunday, Example, Ben & Yoda disappear after they die. Qui-Gon gets cremated after he dies.[/b][/quote]
How does this make Qui Gon less spiritually intuned with the Force? If it's because of him that they learn how to do it/become inspired to do it to begin with.....so, doesn't that make his accomplishment their aspiration? I'm sure the first people to disagree with you would be Yoda and Obi Wan themselves. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

Just because he hadn't perfected it doesn't mean they're more intuned. It just makes him Henry Ford rolling the first car off the assemly line...and they're Ford Motor Co. years later in better shape because of his vision.

[Dutch]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Well, I would like to see SOME consistency between the two trilogy's.[/b][/quote]

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[Basill]

So... assuming (theoretically) that Liam Neeson does show up for a ghosty moment in this upcoming flick... Does anyone think that he would have snuck into the studio at some time during the filming of episode III, or could he have maybe filmed all his shots during the Phantom Menace shoot? Although there obviously wouldn't have been a script for the 3rd episode at that time, Lucas has shown how he likes to think "ahead" in certain production matters (Green sets, Tunisia-while-we-are-here-shots, etc...) Granted the new ep III footage would have to be tailored to fit, but it wouldn't be the first time. Might even explain why Neeson would have to keep mums about it. Or would that have simply been too forward thinking of Lucas? Just a curious thought.

[bigsllim]

^would be pretty wild if he did it that way. If he appears or speaks to yoda only, very little tailoring would be necessary (CGI yoda).

[JSunday]

We not only WILL see some consistency, we have already SEEN consistency. I think Lucas has been almost painfully faithful...

[jsokko]

T'Bone wrote:Oh please - you'll see plenty.
How about seeing the film first?

Your right T'bone, we will have to see how all this works out.

JSunday wrote:
How does this make Qui Gon less spiritually intuned with the Force? If it's because of him that they learn how to do it/become inspired to do it to begin with.....so, doesn't that make his accomplishment their aspiration?

JSunday, right now there isn't any proof that Qui Gon teaches or inspires Ben or Yoda. We will have to see the film.

Otis, in the Classic Trilogy, both Ben & Yoda disappear after death. In the Prequel's we see dead Jedi that do not disappear.
In the Classic Trilogy, only the Emperor uses Lightning, not Vader. The perception Lucas puts on film in Return of the Jedi is that the Emperor is so powerful, he doesn't need a Light Saber. In the Prequel's, Dooky uses Lightning, yet Darth Maul doesn't. And we already know the Emperor has the ability from the Classic Trilogy.

Bottomline, perceptions Lucas put on screen in the Classic Trilogy should mirror in the Prequels, and if they don't, there needs to be a good explanation. AND sometimes its better off not even trying to explain something in the Prequels!

[T-bone]

Well that's one way to see it.

[wonkawill]

Hey guys. I was just watching the teaser trailer (for the hundredth time!). Has anyone mentioned the use of Qui Gon in the trailer? Could Lucas have put him there to remind regular viewers (read: not us) that this character ever existed? After all, he is the first prequel character seen in the trailer. Casual fans may need a visual reminder as to who Qui Gon is. Surely they could have used some other Jedi in that spot and gotten the same idea across. Maybe Neeson will have an appearance in ROTS. Oh yeah jsokko, no offense, but some of your rants may be more welcome over at AICN.

[Otis_Frampton]

Am I putting him on or is he putting me on?

Eh, who can tell. Only The The Apostrophe (http://owl.english.purdue.edu/handouts/grammar/g_apost.html) knows . .

-Otis

[jom]

I just want to say that the first thing that came to mind when I read this recent Neeson rumor is that, if true, the "ghost" scene will be with Obi-wan and Yoda. I just don't see him showing up to Anakin. I don't know why...I guess maybe that most of Anakin's scenes seem to be "action" type scenes where having a ghost in the scene will look out of place. I don't know...just a thought.

jom

[Talcy]

Good Morning from Bonnie Jockland.

First time posting in this guise - was here years ago and now someone elese has by old name!! I digress.

While not quite on the Qui Gon tack (remembers it's his first post in years and extends a hand to be slapped by T)

This isn't aimed directly at jsokko (sp?) but what he is saying reminds me of what a lot of whingers about the new movies keep going on about and it's brought me to a bit of a conclusion - Star Wars fans (inlcuding myself) are absolutely spoiled - not as in info leaks but as in spoiled kids - we get so much and some folks still insist on complaing that it's not right It seems to me that one reason why folks are ragging on the prequels so much is that they want directly relive their childhood by seeing the old movies remade, as it were - "wah wah, it's not like this...wah wah, it's not like that! It's not like it used to be". Well, newsflash - it ain't ever gonna be like that ever again. We're absolutley spoiled as fans go - we complain there's no Boba, we get Boba and folks still complain. Folks complain about cartoonish battles, so we get decapitations and massacres - and still folks complain. If you didn't like the fact that Vader is Luke's father in 1980 why did you stick with it for 25 years? I've always known that the new movies somehow weren't going to be up to the standard of the originals for reasons that folks have already stated loads of times so I'm not going to go into them here. But I'm still able to love 'em cos they're still a tremendous amount of fun. Good writing in a kids space movie? Get real. And just try to have some fun. Why can't the bitter folks move on where SW is concerned?

Anyway, back to topic (backside, or behookie, ready for kick by T for ranting off topic).

The chat was of old boy Jinn.

Personally, including Qui Gon in this movie would be absolutley perfect. The whole mythic style of Star Wars almost demands his presence in this context. It would make screenwriting sense for him to appear to Obi Wan (maybe Yoda as well but it's not as dramatically necessary). Obi Wan promised Qui Gon he would train Anakin and now the cocky-doody has hit the fan. Qui Gon has obviously been watching Anakin and now the time has come for him to pitch in his 2 cents about it. I don;t think Qui Gon will only appear to explain the ghost theory, I think he's going to be there to dispense advice of some kind - remember, Obi Wan only appeared as a ghost in the original movies to help Luke. His confession about the truth about Anakin to Luke on Dagobah was not just exposition about the past - I think there was a bit of reverse psychology going on to get Luke to confront Anakin and Luke went to face him when the possible threat to Leia became apparent. It was all mind games with Obi Wan and Anakin in the originals. But Obi Wan appeared as a ghost to help. I reckon that this might be the case with Qui Gon. He's got thiings to say to Obi Wan and Yoda about Anakin. Who knows, maybe he is the one who tells them about the pregnancy (maybe not, though). I have a feeling that Qui Gon might somehow be the one who instigates the whole plan to bring Luke into the picture later one. It might be possible that, as a ghost, he might have a wider perspective on events. But he might just give hints as to possible action, as Obi Wan did in Jedi. I reckon he'll be in it. So there.

Crikey, long post for a newbie. T, I'll consider my behookie kicked for my opening rant.

Good evening. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/victory.gif

[T-bone]

AH - i know who you are....and welcome!

[jsokko]

Talcy, just because I don't buy into everything Lucas does, doesn't mean I don't enjoy or look forward to the films. I can't wait to see EP.3!!

You said "I've always known that the new movies somehow weren't going to be up to the standard of the originals..."

Why would you think that? Why shouldn't they be up to the same standard or made to even a bigger standard? Lucas had years to think these films out, and the resources.

You said "Good writing in a kids space movie? Get real."
Come on Talcy, Star Wars is more then a kids space movie. If thats all it was, Lucas wouldn't put half the time or money into these films. He could make low budget made for T.V. movies or make cartoons for Nick or Cartoon network. Lucas knows that Star Wars is a big cash cow, and its the long time fans that are going to see the film 2-10 times at the theater and buy a bunch of merchandise.

Even if it is a kids space movie, why can't it have good writing? Is there bad writing in kids books? Harry Potter movies are based off of the books, and the writing seems to be pretty good IMO.

When I was 11, my class read The Lord of the Rings. The books were great. The Peter Jackson films were great as well.

I'll stop now. Sorry T'Bone for getting off the subject.

[Dutch]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Come on Talcy, Star Wars is more then a kids space movie.[/b][/quote]

really, that's all it is. Some people make it out to be much more than that, though.

How old were you when SW first took hold of you?

[Talcy]

Sorry, jsokko. Wasn't having a go at you.

Peace

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[bigsllim]

Originally posted by Talcy@Jan 14 2005, 06:46 AM
Personally, including Qui Gon in this movie would be absolutley perfect. The whole mythic style of Star Wars almost demands his presence in this context. It would make screenwriting sense for him to appear to Obi Wan (maybe Yoda as well but it's not as dramatically necessary). Obi Wan promised Qui Gon he would train Anakin and now the cocky-doody has hit the fan. Qui Gon has obviously been watching Anakin and now the time has come for him to pitch in his 2 cents about it. I don;t think Qui Gon will only appear to explain the ghost theory, I think he's going to be there to dispense advice of some kind - remember, Obi Wan only appeared as a ghost in the original movies to help Luke. His confession about the truth about Anakin to Luke on Dagobah was not just exposition about the past - I think there was a bit of reverse psychology going on to get Luke to confront Anakin and Luke went to face him when the possible threat to Leia became apparent. It was all mind games with Obi Wan and Anakin in the originals. But Obi Wan appeared as a ghost to help. I reckon that this might be the case with Qui Gon. He's got thiings to say to Obi Wan and Yoda about Anakin. Who knows, maybe he is the one who tells them about the pregnancy (maybe not, though). I have a feeling that Qui Gon might somehow be the one who instigates the whole plan to bring Luke into the picture later one. It might be possible that, as a ghost, he might have a wider perspective on events. But he might just give hints as to possible action, as Obi Wan did in Jedi. I reckon he'll be in it. <div align="right">Quoted post</div>


This is the essence of what I would like to see. But as long as it's done well, it really makes no difference to me what method he uses. It being Qui-Gon's idea to hide Luke so he can take care of things later is something I haven't thought about..... that could be very cool as well.

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Originally posted by Dutch@Jan 14 2005, 09:59 AM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Come on Talcy, Star Wars is more then a kids space movie.

really, that's all it is. Some people make it out to be much more than that, though.

How old were you when SW first took hold of you?
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i have to concur with this...i'm 33 now....and still love Star Wars, but because it captured me when i was a kid...(and thats why it wasn't as widely recieved critically on first release - adult critics wanted more than what it was)...and those people who enjoy the Prequels the most are the Kids who see past the elements that we are discussing now...they love R2, Jar Jar and 3PO....and Annie, and see past the political disputes and wranglings...

even Lucas has to keep emphasisng that these are movies for kids....(despite the fact he's filling them with the political and dark stuff) afterall these are modern day fairly tales...good vs evil - pure and simple...not much different to say snow white....good versus the witch, bad....