The Jar Jar Binks Thread [Archive]

Emperor Palpatine

01-03-2005, 11:41 PM

So we now have three scenes that Jar Jar will likely be in:

1. Present to greet Palpatine when he returns to the Senate after escaping the Invisible Hand.

2. Accompanies Padme Amidala, Bail Organa, Horox Ryyder, and Mon Mothma (the Loyalist committee) to ask Palpatine to relinquish his emergency powers.

3. Present at Padme's funeral on Naboo along with Captain Typho, Sio Bibble, Captain Panaka, the New Queen, etc.

My best guess is that with Padme's death, Jar Jar takes over as the Naboo senator in the Imperial Senate, and returns to Naboo after the Senate is dissolved in Episode IV. It is possible, though, that Jar Jar retired sometime in between Episode III and Episode IV, being replaced by another legislator.

Personally, I don't mind Jar Jar being in the Prequels. I think people seemingly "hate" him simply because they are looking for something to hate about the Prequels: so they pick the clumsy, slightly awkward creature. People are too attached to the Original Trilogy. These films are no different at their core, they just tell a slightly different story. Wait until Episode III comes out into theaters, and go see it. Buy the DVD. With the collection complete, sit down and watch Episodes I-VI in order, the way George Lucas intended to have them watched, and I will guarantee everything will make sense.

Due to the scale of the Prequels in terms of landscape and location, it would have been virtually impossible for Lucas to start with Episode I (not mention he did not have a large enough budget from Fox Studios to make a movie of such grandiose scale at the time). My guess is the Episodes I-III would be the favorite trilogy if Lucas made the movies in order, waited 25 years, then made Episodes IV-VI, and people would bash the Original Trilogy because it would have been made digital.

Sorry if this does not seem to entirely fit the thread, but, after all, most people who hate Jar Jar, the character being discussed in this thread, do not care that much for the Prequels. Keep in mind this probably doesn't apply to everyone, I am just basing this assumption on people I know. So don't be offended by it! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/victory.gif

Obi-Stu

01-04-2005, 01:21 AM

I think Jar Jar has served his purpose in the PT and we will see but a cameo roll in ROTS.

His job has been done. Silly little pawn.

CyHunter

01-04-2005, 01:22 AM

I kinda figure if the character is going to fade away into oblivion, they might as well give him a good send-off. Believe me, I'm no random Jar-Jar hater, but I wouldn't mind seeing him eat it...for dramatic purposes.

DarthSolo

01-04-2005, 02:02 AM

Originally posted by Dutch@Jan 3 2005, 06:47 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>I can think of only two scenes that Jar Jar will be in:

1. Present to greet Palpatine when he returns to the Senate after escaping the Invisible Hand.

2. Accompanies Padme Amidala, Bail Organa, Horox Ryyder, and Mon Mothma (the Loyalist committee) to ask Palpatine to relinquish his emergency powers.

Thanks for the serious response. Those scenarios make sense.

The rest of you are freakin' infants.
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Infants, eh? So i guess none of us are old enough to post here. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/butbut.gif

Originally posted by Chancellor Palpatine@Jan 3 2005, 07:41 PM
So we now have three scenes that Jar Jar will likely be in:

1. Present to greet Palpatine when he returns to the Senate after escaping the Invisible Hand.

2. Accompanies Padme Amidala, Bail Organa, Horox Ryyder, and Mon Mothma (the Loyalist committee) to ask Palpatine to relinquish his emergency powers.

3. Present at Padme's funeral on Naboo along with Captain Typho, Sio Bibble, Captain Panaka, the New Queen, etc.

I think 1 and 3 are the most likely. I dont know that he'd accompany the Loyalist comitee if he isnt part of the loyalist comitee. Is he, im not sure? I dont think so, but i could be wrong. If he's not i dont know that he will be there, because the comitee could very likely want to keep the meeting quiet, secret, trying to salvage the situation.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>My best guess is that with Padme's death, Jar Jar takes over as the Naboo senator in the Imperial Senate, and returns to Naboo after the Senate is dissolved in Episode IV. It is possible, though, that Jar Jar retired sometime in between Episode III and Episode IV, being replaced by another legislator.
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I think Binks will likely take over as senator in Padme's place. I wonder, though, what disintegrating the senate involves. Does he murder senators? jar jar could in fact bite it between the III and IV...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Due to the scale of the Prequels in terms of landscape and location, it would have been virtually impossible for Lucas to start with Episode I (not mention he did not have a large enough budget from Fox Studios to make a movie of such grandiose scale at the time). My guess is the Episodes I-III would be the favorite trilogy if Lucas made the movies in order, waited 25 years, then made Episodes IV-VI, and people would bash the Original Trilogy because it would have been made digital.

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then it wouldn't be called the prequals and the originals, but the originals and the sequals! But, in all seriousness, i think you have a valid point. I dont agree with it 100%, but i wont go into all the details.

Master Magnus

01-04-2005, 05:18 AM

Originally posted by Chancellor Palpatine@Jan 4 2005, 04:41 AM
So we now have three scenes that Jar Jar will likely be in:

1. Present to greet Palpatine when he returns to the Senate after escaping the Invisible Hand.

2. Accompanies Padme Amidala, Bail Organa, Horox Ryyder, and Mon Mothma (the Loyalist committee) to ask Palpatine to relinquish his emergency powers.

3. Present at Padme's funeral on Naboo along with Captain Typho, Sio Bibble, Captain Panaka, the New Queen, etc.

My best guess is that with Padme's death, Jar Jar takes over as the Naboo senator in the Imperial Senate, and returns to Naboo after the Senate is dissolved in Episode IV. It is possible, though, that Jar Jar retired sometime in between Episode III and Episode IV, being replaced by another legislator.

Personally, I don't mind Jar Jar being in the Prequels. I think people seemingly "hate" him simply because they are looking for something to hate about the Prequels: so they pick the clumsy, slightly awkward creature. People are too attached to the Original Trilogy. These films are no different at their core, they just tell a slightly different story. Wait until Episode III comes out into theaters, and go see it. Buy the DVD. With the collection complete, sit down and watch Episodes I-VI in order, the way George Lucas intended to have them watched, and I will guarantee everything will make sense.

Due to the scale of the Prequels in terms of landscape and location, it would have been virtually impossible for Lucas to start with Episode I (not mention he did not have a large enough budget from Fox Studios to make a movie of such grandiose scale at the time). My guess is the Episodes I-III would be the favorite trilogy if Lucas made the movies in order, waited 25 years, then made Episodes IV-VI, and people would bash the Original Trilogy because it would have been made digital.

Sorry if this does not seem to entirely fit the thread, but, after all, most people who hate Jar Jar, the character being discussed in this thread, do not care that much for the Prequels. Keep in mind this probably doesn't apply to everyone, I am just basing this assumption on people I know. So don't be offended by it! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/victory.gif
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I agree with Darth Solo, either of scenario one and two would make the most sense. Wasn't Ahmed Best mentioned in a Set Diary?

I don't mind Jar Jar at all. I think he was one of the best things to come out of TPM. A genuine Buster Keaton character in the Star Wars franchise was great for TPM. If he had been given more screentime in AOTC without the character development, it would have ruined the movie.

Bandersnatch

01-04-2005, 07:43 AM

Originally posted by jedibear@Jan 3 2005, 10:20 PM
I would lie to see a nice scene between Jar Jar and Padme regarding his inadvertant role in creating the empire.
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Didn't this already happen in AOTC?

Bandersnatch

01-04-2005, 07:46 AM

Originally posted by Dutch@Jan 3 2005, 09:47 PM
The rest of you are freakin' infants.

Glad to be of help!
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Gazelle

01-04-2005, 06:10 PM

Given the serious nature of the Emperor's villainny in Episode III, it may make the scene where Jar Jar "votes him in" in AOTC rather silly.

Emperor Palpatine

01-04-2005, 06:37 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>then it wouldn't be called the prequals and the originals, but the originals and the sequals! But, in all seriousness, i think you have a valid point. I dont agree with it 100%, but i wont go into all the details. [/b][/quote]

I didn't expect everyone to agree with it. If every person agreed about every aspect of Star Wars, online forums would be pretty dull.

Occasionally I do go into rant-mode (but not often). This just happened to be one of those times. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/w00t.gif

Jay-Ton-Wan

01-04-2005, 08:23 PM

Originally posted by Mystic@Jan 3 2005, 03:00 PM
Riiiiiiiiight!

We have confirmation that Jar Jar will be having an extremely small role in Ep. III.

Smaller than Ep. II
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Nope, Big fat lie, Hes going to have as big as a role like He did in TPM, George Has Siad it.

Jar-Jar is currntly Romered for 4 seans,

1. Palpatine Return.
2. Congragulates Padme.
3. It's officle, He's At the meeting to form the Reble Forceis.
4. First sight of Baby Leia (We Don't See Baby Luke Until the Vary End of the Film, And Only for about 12 Seconds).

Thier is a Some who beleve that He may be in a Sean With Darth Vader.

ALso for thos Who Say (BOBA FETT DOSE NOT HAVE A BIG ROLE)

WRONG. Its officle, He kills Someone In Episode 3. and who it Will Be is going to be a big Serpise. (It's Not Mace Windo, Its More likely that He will be Killing Kit Fisto, Captain Typho, General Grevis, Ki-Adi-Mundi, Nute Gunray, or Count Dooku)

Also for thos who are wondering, Anakin is not the one who ends up killing Dooku, It's eather Boba Fett, Mace Windu, Yoda, General Grievous (Most Likely), or Palpatine(Also Most likely)

Darth Holmes

01-04-2005, 08:53 PM

Originally posted by Jay-Ton-Wan+Jan 4 2005, 05:23 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Jay-Ton-Wan @ Jan 4 2005, 05:23 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-Mystic@Jan 3 2005, 03:00 PM
Riiiiiiiiight!

We have confirmation that Jar Jar will be having an extremely small role in Ep. III.

Smaller than Ep. II
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Nope, Big fat lie, Hes going to have as big as a role like He did in TPM, George Has Siad it.

Jar-Jar is currntly Romered for 4 seans,

1. Palpatine Return.
2. Congragulates Padme.
3. It's officle, He's At the meeting to form the Reble Forceis.
4. First sight of Baby Leia (We Don't See Baby Luke Until the Vary End of the Film, And Only for about 12 Seconds).

Thier is a Some who beleve that He may be in a Sean With Darth Vader.

ALso for thos Who Say (BOBA FETT DOSE NOT HAVE A BIG ROLE)

WRONG. Its officle, He kills Someone In Episode 3. and who it Will Be is going to be a big Serpise. (It's Not Mace Windo, Its More likely that He will be Killing Kit Fisto, Captain Typho, General Grevis, Ki-Adi-Mundi, Nute Gunray, or Count Dooku)

Also for thos who are wondering, Anakin is not the one who ends up killing Dooku, It's eather Boba Fett, Mace Windu, Yoda, General Grievous (Most Likely), or Palpatine(Also Most likely)
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I want some of what you're smoking. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ok.gif

Emperor Palpatine

01-05-2005, 12:38 AM

What in the world is he talking about?

Jay-Ton-Wan, I suggest reading through the other topics before posting inaccurate data.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Riiiiiiiiight!

We have confirmation that Jar Jar will be having an extremely small role in Ep. III.

Smaller than Ep. II[/b][/quote]

Nope, Big fat lie, Hes going to have as big as a role like He did in TPM, George Has Siad it.[/b][/quote]

Then you are calling George Lucas, Rick McCallum, and the rest of the Episode III liars by saying this. Jar-Jar's role is going to smaller than Episode II.

Poggle the Greater

01-05-2005, 12:40 AM

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Emperor Palpatine

01-05-2005, 12:44 AM

*Sighs*

CyHunter

01-05-2005, 10:47 AM

Originally posted by Jay-Ton-Wan+Jan 4 2005, 07:23 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Jay-Ton-Wan @ Jan 4 2005, 07:23 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-Mystic@Jan 3 2005, 03:00 PM
Riiiiiiiiight!

We have confirmation that Jar Jar will be having an extremely small role in Ep. III.

Smaller than Ep. II
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Nope, Big fat lie, Hes going to have as big as a role like He did in TPM, George Has Siad it.

Jar-Jar is currntly Romered for 4 seans,

1. Palpatine Return.
2. Congragulates Padme.
3. It's officle, He's At the meeting to form the Reble Forceis.
4. First sight of Baby Leia (We Don't See Baby Luke Until the Vary End of the Film, And Only for about 12 Seconds).

Thier is a Some who beleve that He may be in a Sean With Darth Vader.

ALso for thos Who Say (BOBA FETT DOSE NOT HAVE A BIG ROLE)

WRONG. Its officle, He kills Someone In Episode 3. and who it Will Be is going to be a big Serpise. (It's Not Mace Windo, Its More likely that He will be Killing Kit Fisto, Captain Typho, General Grevis, Ki-Adi-Mundi, Nute Gunray, or Count Dooku)

Also for thos who are wondering, Anakin is not the one who ends up killing Dooku, It's eather Boba Fett, Mace Windu, Yoda, General Grievous (Most Likely), or Palpatine(Also Most likely)
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And now, an off-topic but very relevant episode of "CyHunter Explains Grammar" - 'Because it makes it really hard to take one seriously on a message board when they talk like that.'

1. "Nope, Big fat lie, Hes going to have as big as a role like He did in TPM, George Has Siad it."

"Nope, Big fat lie" should be followed by a period. "Big" should not be capitalized. Similarily, unless he's God Almightly, you don't need to capitalize the H in "He", though if you follw my first suggestion and add a period after "lie", it's alright. "Hes" should have an apostrophe, like this: "He's". The comma after "TPM" is not correct; use a semicolon, like I just did. "Siad" is spelled "said".

2. "Jar-Jar is currntly Romered for 4 seans,

1. Palpatine Return.
2. Congragulates Padme.
3. It's officle, He's At the meeting to form the Reble Forceis.
4. First sight of Baby Leia (We Don't See Baby Luke Until the Vary End of the Film, And Only for about 12 Seconds).

Thier is a Some who beleve that He may be in a Sean With Darth Vader."

"Currntly" is spelled as "currently". "Romered" is spelled "rumored" (note lack of capitalization). "seans" is spelled "scenes". The comma after the aforementioned word should be replaced with a colon or dash. "1. Palpatine Return" does not make sense. Perhaps you mean "1. Palpatine's Return"? "Congragulates" is spelled "Congratulates", though I'll give you half credit because it's a stupid word. "officle" is spelled "official". "He's" again needs no capitalization. Nor does "At". "Reble Forceis" is spelled "Rebel forces". "Vary" in this instance is spelled "very" and is not capitalized (nor is the subsequent instances of "End", "Film", "And", "Only", and "Seconds".

"Some" is uncapitalized, as is "He" and "Sean" (spelled "scene").

3. "ALso for thos Who Say (BOBA FETT DOSE NOT HAVE A BIG ROLE)

"ALso" is presumably a typo; it should be "Also," and had you briefly proofread your post, you probably would've caught it. The parenthetically-eclipsed phrase you quoted should be replaced with ", "Boba Fett does not have a big role:" (note spelling of "does"), and "thos" is spelled "those". "Who" and "Say" need not be capitalized..

4. WRONG. Its officle, He kills Someone In Episode 3. and who it Will Be is going to be a big Serpise. (It's Not Mace Windo, Its More likely that He will be Killing Kit Fisto, Captain Typho, General Grevis, Ki-Adi-Mundi, Nute Gunray, or Count Dooku)

Also for thos who are wondering, Anakin is not the one who ends up killing Dooku, It's eather Boba Fett, Mace Windu, Yoda, General Grievous (Most Likely), or Palpatine(Also Most likely)"

The word "officle" is again "official", and "He" is uncapitalized, as is "In", "Will", "Be", "Serprise" ("surprise"), "More", "He" again, "Killing", "Most", "Likely", "Also", and that last instance of the word "Most". The period after "3" (which should really be "III", but whatever) should be replaced with a comma. The comma after "killing Dooku" should gbe a period. "Windo" is "Windu", unless Sam Jackson is made of glass. "Grevis" is "Greivous".

People, at least Jay can spell "Anakin"...I'm so tired of people writing "Anikin", "Anikan", etc... (not to mention "prequal", "sequal"...)

Sorry for being a jackass, but I'm tired of people making silly mistakes. Maybe this will help remind everyone that crappy internet grammar reflects poorly upon yourself. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/holosid.gif

goodwije

01-05-2005, 10:52 AM

oh chill out.. there are not rules for making spelling and typing mistakes. I do it all the time. We really do not want to be one of "those" kinds of message boards.

Master Magnus

01-05-2005, 11:23 AM

Come on, CyHunter, not all people here has English as their native language (mine is obviously Swedish). Some people might also suffer from dyslexia or have some other dysfunction (although I agree that it's difficult to interpret such posts).

maddog62

01-05-2005, 12:34 PM

Originally posted by Jay-Ton-Wan+Jan 5 2005, 12:23 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Jay-Ton-Wan @ Jan 5 2005, 12:23 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-Mystic@Jan 3 2005, 03:00 PM
Riiiiiiiiight!

We have confirmation that Jar Jar will be having an extremely small role in Ep. III.

Smaller than Ep. II
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Nope, Big fat lie, Hes going to have as big as a role like He did in TPM, George Has Siad it.

Jar-Jar is currntly Romered for 4 seans,

1. Palpatine Return.
2. Congragulates Padme.
3. It's officle, He's At the meeting to form the Reble Forceis.
4. First sight of Baby Leia (We Don't See Baby Luke Until the Vary End of the Film, And Only for about 12 Seconds).

Thier is a Some who beleve that He may be in a Sean With Darth Vader.

ALso for thos Who Say (BOBA FETT DOSE NOT HAVE A BIG ROLE)

WRONG. Its officle, He kills Someone In Episode 3. and who it Will Be is going to be a big Serpise. (It's Not Mace Windo, Its More likely that He will be Killing Kit Fisto, Captain Typho, General Grevis, Ki-Adi-Mundi, Nute Gunray, or Count Dooku)

Also for thos who are wondering, Anakin is not the one who ends up killing Dooku, It's eather Boba Fett, Mace Windu, Yoda, General Grievous (Most Likely), or Palpatine(Also Most likely)
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Somebody please help me, my eyes hurt! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/banghead.gif

maddog62

01-05-2005, 12:35 PM

Originally posted by CyHunter+Jan 5 2005, 02:47 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(CyHunter @ Jan 5 2005, 02:47 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'>Originally posted by Jay-Ton-Wan@Jan 4 2005, 07:23 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Mystic@Jan 3 2005, 03:00 PM
Riiiiiiiiight!

We have confirmation that Jar Jar will be having an extremely small role in Ep. III.

Smaller than Ep. II
<div align="right">Quoted post</div>

Nope, Big fat lie, Hes going to have as big as a role like He did in TPM, George Has Siad it.

Jar-Jar is currntly Romered for 4 seans,

1. Palpatine Return.
2. Congragulates Padme.
3. It's officle, He's At the meeting to form the Reble Forceis.
4. First sight of Baby Leia (We Don't See Baby Luke Until the Vary End of the Film, And Only for about 12 Seconds).

Thier is a Some who beleve that He may be in a Sean With Darth Vader.

ALso for thos Who Say (BOBA FETT DOSE NOT HAVE A BIG ROLE)

WRONG. Its officle, He kills Someone In Episode 3. and who it Will Be is going to be a big Serpise. (It's Not Mace Windo, Its More likely that He will be Killing Kit Fisto, Captain Typho, General Grevis, Ki-Adi-Mundi, Nute Gunray, or Count Dooku)

Also for thos who are wondering, Anakin is not the one who ends up killing Dooku, It's eather Boba Fett, Mace Windu, Yoda, General Grievous (Most Likely), or Palpatine(Also Most likely)
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And now, an off-topic but very relevant episode of "CyHunter Explains Grammar" - 'Because it makes it really hard to take one seriously on a message board when they talk like that.'

1. "Nope, Big fat lie, Hes going to have as big as a role like He did in TPM, George Has Siad it."

"Nope, Big fat lie" should be followed by a period. "Big" should not be capitalized. Similarily, unless he's God Almightly, you don't need to capitalize the H in "He", though if you follw my first suggestion and add a period after "lie", it's alright. "Hes" should have an apostrophe, like this: "He's". The comma after "TPM" is not correct; use a semicolon, like I just did. "Siad" is spelled "said".

2. "Jar-Jar is currntly Romered for 4 seans,

1. Palpatine Return.
2. Congragulates Padme.
3. It's officle, He's At the meeting to form the Reble Forceis.
4. First sight of Baby Leia (We Don't See Baby Luke Until the Vary End of the Film, And Only for about 12 Seconds).

Thier is a Some who beleve that He may be in a Sean With Darth Vader."

"Currntly" is spelled as "currently". "Romered" is spelled "rumored" (note lack of capitalization). "seans" is spelled "scenes". The comma after the aforementioned word should be replaced with a colon or dash. "1. Palpatine Return" does not make sense. Perhaps you mean "1. Palpatine's Return"? "Congragulates" is spelled "Congratulates", though I'll give you half credit because it's a stupid word. "officle" is spelled "official". "He's" again needs no capitalization. Nor does "At". "Reble Forceis" is spelled "Rebel forces". "Vary" in this instance is spelled "very" and is not capitalized (nor is the subsequent instances of "End", "Film", "And", "Only", and "Seconds".

"Some" is uncapitalized, as is "He" and "Sean" (spelled "scene").

3. "ALso for thos Who Say (BOBA FETT DOSE NOT HAVE A BIG ROLE)

"ALso" is presumably a typo; it should be "Also," and had you briefly proofread your post, you probably would've caught it. The parenthetically-eclipsed phrase you quoted should be replaced with ", "Boba Fett does not have a big role:" (note spelling of "does"), and "thos" is spelled "those". "Who" and "Say" need not be capitalized..

4. WRONG. Its officle, He kills Someone In Episode 3. and who it Will Be is going to be a big Serpise. (It's Not Mace Windo, Its More likely that He will be Killing Kit Fisto, Captain Typho, General Grevis, Ki-Adi-Mundi, Nute Gunray, or Count Dooku)

Also for thos who are wondering, Anakin is not the one who ends up killing Dooku, It's eather Boba Fett, Mace Windu, Yoda, General Grievous (Most Likely), or Palpatine(Also Most likely)"

The word "officle" is again "official", and "He" is uncapitalized, as is "In", "Will", "Be", "Serprise" ("surprise"), "More", "He" again, "Killing", "Most", "Likely", "Also", and that last instance of the word "Most". The period after "3" (which should really be "III", but whatever) should be replaced with a comma. The comma after "killing Dooku" should gbe a period. "Windo" is "Windu", unless Sam Jackson is made of glass. "Grevis" is "Greivous".

People, at least Jay can spell "Anakin"...I'm so tired of people writing "Anikin", "Anikan", etc... (not to mention "prequal", "sequal"...)

Sorry for being a jackass, but I'm tired of people making silly mistakes. Maybe this will help remind everyone that crappy internet grammar reflects poorly upon yourself. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/holosid.gif
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OK, that took it too far.

Bandersnatch

01-05-2005, 12:39 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>OK, that took it too far.[/b][/quote]

Too far and a half...

I still like my idea better. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ok.gif

Xee Thot

01-05-2005, 02:12 PM

Originally posted by CyHunter@Jan 5 2005, 11:47 AM
And now, an off-topic but very relevant episode of "CyHunter Explains Grammar" -

(...)

"Nope, Big fat lie" should be followed by a period. "Big" should not be capitalized. Similarily, unless he's God Almightly, you don't need to capitalize the H in "He", though if you <span style="font-size:36pt;line-height:100%"><span style="color:red">follw</span></span> my first suggestion and add a period after "lie", it's alright. "Hes" should have an apostrophe, like this: " style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif He's". The comma after "TPM" is not correct; use a semicolon, like I just did. "Siad" is spelled "said".

(...)

Sorry for being a jackass, but I'm tired of people making silly mistakes. Maybe this will help remind everyone that crappy internet grammar reflects poorly upon yourself. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/holosid.gif
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Just to annoy you style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/hehe.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

maddog62

01-05-2005, 02:22 PM

I am not really one to talk. I have some really bad spelling and grammer problems but that was something very special.

T-bone

01-05-2005, 02:23 PM

back to the topic please.

maddog62

01-05-2005, 02:28 PM

Originally posted by maddog62@Jan 3 2005, 08:30 PM
If Jar Jar just faded away in obscurity and was never scene again:

(1) Would you notice?

(2) Would it matter?

(3) Would you even care?
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Yes, back on topic!

Darth Darthy

01-05-2005, 02:58 PM

Why is Jar-Jar present during the birth? I thought Bail saved Yoda and went off to the Tantive IV where Obi Wan later met up with them. Where does Jar-Jar fit into this?

T-bone

01-05-2005, 03:01 PM

i dont think he's there.

MeBeJedi

01-05-2005, 03:18 PM

"That horse has been beat to death"

Too bad they didn't beat Jar Jar. It would've saved a horse.

Dutch

01-05-2005, 03:37 PM

^

You know, this may come across as a flame, but I have to say this:

If you feel that a character in a movie should be beaten, killed, mauled just because you didn't like the charachter then you are immature and pathetic.

T-bone

01-05-2005, 03:40 PM

Ok - there's no need for any of this. Back to the topic and I'll ignore the last 2 posts.

Emperor Palpatine

01-05-2005, 06:11 PM

For the sake of getting back on topic, I will repost my theories concerning events that Jar Jar may participate in:

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>1. Present to greet Palpatine when he returns to the Senate after escaping the Invisible Hand.

2. Accompanies Padme Amidala, Bail Organa, Horox Ryyder, and Mon Mothma (the Loyalist committee) to ask Palpatine to relinquish his emergency powers.

3. Present at Padme's funeral on Naboo along with Captain Typho, Sio Bibble, Captain Panaka, the New Queen, etc.

My best guess is that with Padme's death, Jar Jar takes over as the Naboo senator in the Imperial Senate, and returns to Naboo after the Senate is dissolved in Episode IV. It is possible, though, that Jar Jar retired sometime in between Episode III and Episode IV, being replaced by another legislator.[/b][/quote]

Discuss, add to the list, or comment on some aspect of Jar Jar that hasn't already been talked about.

Bandersnatch

01-05-2005, 06:43 PM

Something will happen that will make the brief scene of Jar Jar addressing the Senate in Episode 2 ("Meessa propose... emergency powers... to the Supreme Chancellor..." etc) seem even more ironic and deeper to the entire plot of Star Wars.

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Emperor Palpatine

01-05-2005, 08:42 PM

^^^What are your theories as to what this might be?

Bandersnatch

01-05-2005, 08:47 PM

The fact that Sidious/Palpatine will become the evil Emperor of the galaxy.

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Sargoth

01-05-2005, 09:12 PM

I think Lucas has said that we won't see Jar Jar die. To have him die in the film would, I feel, feed the bloodlust of too many viewers. If Jar-jar were do die on film, the theater would erupt in applause, which is what GL certainly doesn't want. (Think Denathor bursting into flames and flying off of Minas Tirith - a scene meant to be very dramatic was reduced to being silly.) George needs to wrap up Jar-Jar's story while still being dramatic and sullen.

Perhaps he meets a more sinister fate? Sidious already tried exterminating the Gungans from Naboo in TPM, so it's obvious that he doesn't want them living freely on his homeworld. Perhaps the Gungans are the first race enslaved by the Empire? Maybe the last scene of Jar Jar will involve him being led away in chains?

Bandersnatch

01-06-2005, 10:18 AM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Maybe the last scene of Jar Jar will involve him being led away in chains? [/b][/quote]

That's probably not a bad idea right there. It would lend some "bookend" to his fate, since he was handcuffed briefly in TPM, then set free thanks to Qui-Gon. Then he ends up not so lucky in ROTS and is imprisoned.

Maybe that IS Jar Jar and not just some random Gungan at the end of ROTJ saying "Weesa free!"

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Arlyss

01-06-2005, 11:17 AM

The weird thing for me is that I never really noticed Jar-Jar THAT much, even in TPM. I mean, he's pretty much a secondary character. IMO, people resented the fact that the ENTIRE PT had less - nearly none, actually - of the ironic banter (eg. the banter between the droids, banter between Solo, Chewie & 3PO, etc.) that the OT had. Perhaps THAT is the real problem people have with the PT, not Jar-Jar himself. It was after all, a different time, and people were different, just as the sixties were a different time from now, and people behaved differently. Just the way society is - it changes. It is interesting to me how 1) this saga reflects the change in the society over the last 30 years, or so; and 2) how Lucas has show the changes he saw from the time he made the OT up until now.

Sorry for the digression - anyhow - I could see Jar-Jar showing up in those places. I also think, perhaps he will be less naive, and that he will be part of the group that surrounds Bail Organa and Mon Mothma. Just a thought. I doubt he'll play much of a part, but I do think he'll be there. However, I imagine he will be, like the rest of the unsuspecting galaxy, fooled by Palpatine, and only realize how evil he is once the Empire has been established.

Remember the Imperial Senate itself was not dissolved until twenty years later, at the time of ANH (Grand Moff Tarkin makes the announcement).

Darth Holmes

01-06-2005, 12:31 PM

Perhaps he goes to Alderan with Bail Organa at the end of the movie.

Kinda gives new meaning to that scene in ANH wouldn't it?

PadmeQte

01-08-2005, 09:01 AM

Hmmm I agree with you guys that Jar Jar will address the senate in E III but for what, I have no idea.

I wonder if he'll be involved in any of the serious scenes. I agree with someone on the 1st page that Jar Jar doesn't bother me THAT much but his voice would kinda bring the seriousness of certain situations down. I think he'll only get about 30 minutes of on air time in E III.

PanickinSkywalker

01-08-2005, 07:45 PM

I think the dialogue in the PT merely reflects the type of characters GL is using to tell the story. In the PT we have formal,stiff characters who are very powerful (Politicians,Jedi and soldiers mainly) who speak in a formal manner even the galaxy is going up cocky-doody creek around them. In contrast the in the OT we have more down to earth characters (bums and criminals) who actually save the galaxy. Gl likes his low cultures defeating High Tech culture motifs, perhaps he's making a point about political impotence and class structure??

There seems to be some kind of racism in the way the Emporer recruits for the Empire. There are no Aliens working in the Empire (bounty hunters?). I read years ago that this would be addressed in the PT but hasn't so far. Perhaps Jar Jar might be used to explain why. He has to do something to merit a line in the film if he appears.

darthgym

01-08-2005, 08:37 PM

Remember how easily Palpatine manipulated Jar Jar into making a motion in the Senate? He carefully chose who to casually make his statement to, knowing full well the Gungan would NEVER be able to see the ultimate consequences of giving emergency poweres to the supreme chancellor.

Of course in Jar Jar's defense, no one else saw the end result of that ill conceived idea comin' either.

Palpatine's discrimination against aliens reflects why he chose Jar Jar to play like a harp. Palpatine already thinks he's smarter than EVERYONE else. He decided to use Jar jar because he felt jar Jar was the biggest screw up in the senate. The fact that he's an alien probably just confirmed in Palpatine's mind that he chose the right idiot for the job.

MeBeJedi

01-08-2005, 08:52 PM

"Palpatine's discrimination against aliens reflects why he chose Jar Jar to play like a harp. Palpatine already thinks he's smarter than EVERYONE else. He decided to use Jar jar because he felt jar Jar was the biggest screw up in the senate. The fact that he's an alien probably just confirmed in Palpatine's mind that he chose the right idiot for the job."

I'm not so sure that's the case. His discrimination is primarily an EU concept, and it doesn't explain why Palps used Padme in TPM. Lucas has stated that everybody is a pawn in the PT. I might also remind you that Darth Maul, while humanoid, was not human. He treats humans and non-humans equally: as tools.

darthgym

01-08-2005, 09:12 PM

Originally posted by MeBeJedi@Jan 8 2005, 07:52 PM
"I'm not so sure that's the case. His discrimination is primarily an EU concept, and it doesn't explain why Palps used Padme in TPM. Lucas has stated that [i]everybody is a pawn in the PT. I might also remind you that Darth Maul, while humanoid, was not human. He treats humans and non-humans equally: as tools.
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If Jar Jar had been the monarch on Naboo in TPM, everyone in the galaxy woulda been invading instead of just the Trade Federation! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

Perhaps he chose that time to invade Naboo because Padme was so young and inexperienced. He thought that she would be a pushover, and in a way she was. Even though she knew that Vallourum had been Naboo's greatest support, Palpatine easily tricked Padme to initiate the actions that vacated the office of Supreme Chancellor.

Naboo was chosen as the location of the invasion, because once the highest politcal office in the galaxy became vacant, Palpatine wanted an edge to insure he would be the one elected to fill that spot. His edge was the sympathy in the senate. Remember his poor planet had been invaded.

It is a very good point about palpatine choosing Maul as an apprentice. I hadn't thought of that. It doesn't fit into the alien discrimination theory well except for this possible point...

Maul got hacked in half on his first mission against the Jedi. Maybe Palpatine lost what liitle faith he had in the abilities of aliens because of this. His next two apprentices are human, after all. Still, mebejedi, you made an excellent point. :hugs:

Emperor Palpatine

01-09-2005, 08:46 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Maul got hacked in half on his first mission against the Jedi. Maybe Palpatine lost what liitle faith he had in the abilities of aliens because of this. His next two apprentices are human, after all.[/b][/quote]

This may explain why aliens are treated unfairly in the Galactic Empire. So, maybe Palpatine and Anakin aren't that different after all. Both know how to hold very long grudges.

MeBeJedi

01-09-2005, 10:31 PM

"So, maybe Palpatine and Anakin aren't that different after all."

Except that Vader didn't mind using non-human bounty hunters in ESB.

Guys, alien discrimination is simply an EU concept. There's as much evidence for it as well as against it in the films, because Lucas didn't even intentionally cover this aspect. Palps and Anakin have as much love for humans as they do for aliens. The extent to which they throw human soldiers into battle, as well as the high turnover rate of admirals should make that clear enough. Hell, they didn't even want other Force users to exist.

And let's not forget that Hitler, himself, was nowhere near the idealic image of a good-looking, blond-haired, blue-eyed perfect German that he promoted. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

Emperor Palpatine

01-09-2005, 10:51 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Except that Vader didn't mind using non-human bounty hunters in ESB.[/b][/quote]

Bounty hunters are not members of the Galactic Empire. I never stated that Palpatine and Anakin didn't find aliens useful from time to time, it's just that they don't want what they believe to be "imperfect" species to be members of their regime.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Hell, they didn't even want other Force users to exist.[/b][/quote]

I was under the impression that Palpatine wanted Force adepts alive so that he could turn them over to the Dark Side and use them to carry out his wishes (i.e. the Emperor's Hands).

MeBeJedi

01-10-2005, 12:47 AM

"it's just that they don't want what they believe to be "imperfect" species to be members of their regime."

And apparently modified clones that have no free will are considered "perfect"?

"I was under the impression that Palpatine wanted Force adepts alive so that he could turn them over to the Dark Side and use them to carry out his wishes (i.e. the Emperor's Hands)."

Only in the EU, but I can see where this argument is headed. Nevermind.

Sargoth

01-10-2005, 06:20 PM

Originally posted by MeBeJedi@Jan 9 2005, 07:31 PM
Except that Vader didn't mind using non-human bounty hunters in ESB.
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I agree, but remember how an Imperial Admiral admonished Vader under his breath for this:

Bounty Hunters. We don't need their scum!

While the Emperor's racist policies are perhaps an EU concept, you cannot deny the fact that everyone of power or influence in the Empire was a stuffy, white, male human.

Not to dive into the EU, but the explanation of why Naboo was invaded was given in Cloak of Deception. Now, I don't get into that many SW novels, but this was a *fantastic* story. Many of the aspects that exist in TPM: the militarization of the Trade Federation, Nute Gunray's ascent to the position of Viceroy, even the scandal that begins the end of Chancellor Valorums career is spelled out in this novel.

MeBeJedi

01-10-2005, 11:31 PM

"While the Emperor's racist policies are perhaps an EU concept, you cannot deny the fact that everyone of power or influence in the Empire was a stuffy, white, male human."

Same went for the Rebellion in ANH and ESB. No colored people, no aliens, Leia was the only female. Funny, no? [EDIT] Oh, there was the chick calling the shots for the ion cannon, lol!

Point being, it was simply a coincidence that was made into something else in the EU. This is not to say I don't see the logic in presenting it as such, but it seems some people are reading way too much into this as it refers to the films.

darthgym

01-11-2005, 01:40 AM

Galactic racism aside, I think Jar Jar's character doesn't have much more to do in the series of events that we know is about to happen. Of course no one could have guessed after seeing TPM that Jar jar would set into motion the next step in the gathering of power of a tyrant.

MeBeJedi

01-11-2005, 12:52 PM

Well, Lucas had to do something with him to give his character some signifigance. Shame he did try as hard in TPM.

Suzanne (ex CoS Leia)

03-27-2005, 10:07 AM

I'm 3/4 of the way through the book and Jar Jar has yet to be mentioned (and I've read the last chapter and he doesn't rate a mention there either).

He's not mentioned as one who greets Palpatine after his rescue.

He's not mentioned as being part of the loyalist committee or at any of the meetings so far.

He's not mentioned (surprise, surprise style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif) as being at the delivery of the twins at any stage.

He's not mentioned as attending the funeral.

There's not much left where he might be...

T-bone

03-27-2005, 10:15 AM

he's in the senate pod when palpatine declares the empire according to the comic...

Suzanne (ex CoS Leia)

03-27-2005, 10:17 AM

Ah ... as I was typing I was thinking that this was the one possible scene that I have yet to reach where he may get a look in.

That's certainly even more scaled down than I expected.

My youngest son is actually going to be disappointed.

Dutch

03-27-2005, 12:14 PM

^

That's what all the "Kill Jar-Jar" fanboys fail to realize in their narrow minded vision of Star Wars.

Was Jar-Jar a little wierd in TPM? Yeah, OK I can concede that. Did George not really have plans to make Jar-Jar a big part of Ep 3. Probably, because he really doesn't have much to do, I guess.

But if he scaled down his role just because of the (vocal) whiners who think the best way for ROTS to end would be a suited Vader killing Jar-Jar, then that sucks. My 10 year old daughter likes him also. In fact she said to me while we were watching CW,: "I wonder why Jar-Jar is not in these? He's a funny character"

I hope he is there at Padme's funeral. Their meeting was a pivotal part of TPM and it would bring a little closure to their character arc.

T-bone

03-27-2005, 01:53 PM

Lucas is not a stupid man. He does react to feedback and things that people might perceive as negative. Had Jar Jar really been accepted he would have most likely had more lines and scenes in 2 and 3. Lucas is aware of people's hatred of the guy so he toned him down. He's also aware of the love of Boba Fett and tied him into the Prequels. He's a smart guy. He didn't write these three films until he sat down to write them. Jar Jar was not some big part of anything in his grand plans so it's ok to lessen his role.

Master Magnus

03-27-2005, 02:18 PM

While I liked Jar Jar in TPM (IMO he was a great Buster Keaton character who fitted the lightheartness of the movie), I think it was a wise decision to limit his screen time in AOTC and ROTS as the need for the character is limited.

Avid PT Fan

03-27-2005, 02:20 PM

Thats what I loved about having Jar Jar Binks in TPM, he was a goofy, stumbling pain in the ass with a heart of gold. His over the top role was perfect in my opinion.
Oh and I doubt Lucas changed Jar Jars role in Episodes 2 and 3 because of the the outcry of some upset fans, even if there were alot of them. Jar Jars role was meant to be less with each consecutive episode.

Originally posted by Dutch@Mar 27 2005, 12:14 PM
Was Jar-Jar a little wierd in TPM?* Yeah, OK I can concede that.*

mtilden

03-27-2005, 02:29 PM

Originally posted by Over Thirty Prequels Fan@Mar 27 2005, 06:20 PM
Oh and I doubt Lucas changed Jar Jars role in Episodes 2 and 3 because of the the outcry of some upset fans, even if there were alot of them. Jar Jars role was meant to be less with each consecutive episode.

Jar Jar is a lighthearted character, he plays such a big role in TPM primarily for the purpose of emphasizing the fact that the story is taking place in a happy time. As the story gets darker, Jar Jar comes to be more and more out of place. Thus, I am inclined to think that his role was always supposed to get smaller as the story progressed. Moreover, we must be careful here about inferring motives behind creative decisions. By the same logic, we could argue that since C-3PO and R2D2 have a much smaller role in TESB and in the prequels than they did in ANH, this must be an attempt to mollify fans who complained about the droids. I mean, ANH was actually told from the POV of the droids, but in the prequels they are just minor side characters who don't matter all that much.

Avid PT Fan

03-27-2005, 03:17 PM

I wouldn't go that far. R2D2 saved the day in TPM and saved Senator Amidala's life in AOTC. C3P0 on the other hand has been a minor character so far, although I love what has been done with him, being built by Anakin and the antics in AOTC I thought were really funny.
Originally posted by mtilden@Mar 27 2005, 02:29 PM
but in the prequels they are just minor side characters who don't matter all that much.

mtilden

03-27-2005, 03:20 PM

Originally posted by Over Thirty Prequels Fan@Mar 27 2005, 07:17 PM
I wouldn't go that far. R2D2 saved the day in TPM and saved Senator Amidala's life in AOTC.

Yes, but if you cut both of those scenes, would it make any difference to the movie? Not really.

Bretsch

03-27-2005, 03:56 PM

^I agree. They were the narrators, sort to speek of pretty much the OT, in the PT they're just two more characthers, with a signifficant role, but less than the one they hold on the OT.

Javen

03-27-2005, 05:20 PM

R2 always comes out being a hero in some way and it is significant to the story. So far in every Episode he has done something heroic.

Bretsch

03-27-2005, 05:27 PM

all I'm saying is that even though they allways have a significant role in the story, specially R2, the story is told in a different way; the OT is told from their point of view, while the PT is not. And that has nothing to do with their importance or significance to the story.

Theropod

03-27-2005, 06:24 PM

From IMDB.com:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0121766/fullcredits

Full Cast and Crew for
Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith (2005)

Ahmed Best .... Jar Jar Binks

Arlyss

03-27-2005, 08:10 PM

Interesting. Of course, the last update to that information from IMDB is September 20 of 2004. I'm sure GL has changed quite a few things regarding minor characters since then. Seems like, no matter how many spoilers we keep track of, there's always some surprises come opening day, which is as it should be, perhaps?

Avid PT Fan

03-27-2005, 09:35 PM

Absatively posalutley.

Originally posted by Arlyss@Mar 27 2005, 08:10 PM
Interesting. Of course, the last update to that information from IMDB is September 20 of 2004. I'm sure GL has changed quite a few things regarding minor characters since then. Seems like, no matter how many spoilers we keep track of, there's always some surprises come opening day, which is as it should be, perhaps?
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JLX-1138

03-27-2005, 09:44 PM

I'll be kinda disappointed if Jar Jar is not in at all.

The "Woopi woopi?" scene always makes me laugh, when he speaks with the food in his mouth. And I loved how GL gives him a big part in Palpatine's plans.

He deserves at least a line or a presence at an important moment

Avid PT Fan

03-27-2005, 09:46 PM

He'll be in it. Just a smaller role.

Theropod

03-28-2005, 02:29 AM

Originally posted by Arlyss@Mar 27 2005, 06:10 PM
Interesting. Of course, the last update to that information from IMDB is September 20 of 2004. I'm sure GL has changed quite a few things regarding minor characters since then. Seems like, no matter how many spoilers we keep track of, there's always some surprises come opening day, which is as it should be, perhaps?
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I'm not too sure about that date. While it may say that in the file, it also lists: George Lucas .... Baron Papanoida (uncredited).

That news is much more recent (thanks to a certain Galactic Senator and his popular blog)

I'm sure that if that information was on IMDB since last September, someone, somewhere would have noticed and propagated it all across the net.

But you are definately right about Lucas tweaking things left and right. I'm willing to bet that he made at least 20 changes over the past weekend alone. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

Suzanne (ex CoS Leia)

03-28-2005, 03:44 AM

Jar Jar is still on the cast list at TOS as well.
http://www.starwars.com/episode-iii/castcrew.html

I've nearly finished the book and as T'bone said, Jar Jar was in the pod at the time of the proclomation of the Empire. He doesn't say a word. There is some sense in this though, because it highlights just how dreadful the whole situation is to have the usually ebullient Jar Jar be horribly silent.

It still would have been nice to have him in it, even if only for a little bit, at an earlier point.

Bretsch

03-28-2005, 08:34 PM

^Jar Jar, silent? I agree it's full of simbolism.

Daibutsusan73

03-29-2005, 03:10 AM

I like Jar Jar, but as the droids are starting to come into their own, there is less of a need for Jar Jar now.

Suzanne (ex CoS Leia)

03-29-2005, 08:21 AM

More news on Jar Jar - the final chapter of "the Making of Ep III" indicates that he is indeed at Padme's funeral. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

Still not a speaking part, though...

hunkyspunky

03-29-2005, 10:10 AM

Jar Jar being tossed into the Sarlacc would be a great way to end the movie.

Luminara Skye

03-29-2005, 12:15 PM

^You're just mean! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

I guess Jar-Jar will just stay on Naboo after the funeral. I think he's messed enough things up. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ohwell.gif

Suzanne, did you read the scanned novel or do you have the actual novel? I can't wait till Saturday!!

Bretsch

03-29-2005, 12:31 PM

According to Pablo, he will be on the movie alongside with Boss Nass

Underoath

03-29-2005, 03:22 PM

Yes, it is good to see Boss Nass, it gives a good continuity to a trilogy that has a lot of characters that are basically in and out of the films.

mtilden

03-29-2005, 03:53 PM

Originally posted by Underoath@Mar 29 2005, 07:22 PM
Yes, it is good to see Boss Nass, it gives a good continuity to a trilogy that has a lot of characters that are basically in and out of the films.
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And it is only logical that Boss Nass would be there, after all, Padme, Nass and Jar Jar are the ones who made peace between the Naboo and the Gungans. Of course he would want to be there to honor her memory.

Underoath

03-29-2005, 05:50 PM

Yep. Exactly my point. I am also happy because we are seeing that GL has to make a lot of cuts in the movie, so things that we may be hearing about now may not be in the final product.

Suzanne (ex CoS Leia)

03-30-2005, 03:40 AM

Originally posted by Luminara Skye@Mar 30 2005, 01:15 AM
^You're just mean! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

I guess Jar-Jar will just stay on Naboo after the funeral. I think he's messed enough things up. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ohwell.gif

Suzanne, did you read the scanned novel or do you have the actual novel? I can't wait till Saturday!!
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I now have the actual novel style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif

Amazingly for once we have it earlier than the release date here in Australia. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

Luminara Skye

03-30-2005, 09:04 AM

^Lucky you! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/cry.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

Theropod

03-31-2005, 08:09 PM

Originally posted by Darth Bretsch@Mar 29 2005, 10:31 AM
According to Pablo, he will be on the movie alongside with Boss Nass
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In the March, 28 Hyperspace article titled "ILM March Madness" it mentions that on March 8th, the final animation from Rob Coleman's team that GL signs off on is a scene with Boss Nass walking alongside Jar Jar.

So as of March 8th, Jar Jar is in the movie.

Jacen Solo

05-09-2005, 06:57 AM

Well, all we really know about Jar Jar from the novelization is that he looks worried on Empire Day, and (according to Senator Organa) that if even Jar Jar looks worried, things must be bad.

Anything else anyone knows?

Ten days and counting! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/happydance.gif

MANVERU

05-09-2005, 07:08 AM

Is it true that he and Padme get in bif (fight) in ROTS?

Bandersnatch

05-09-2005, 08:41 AM

"Yoosa tinkin, yossa can taka meesa down, eh?
Well, meesa gots some bombad news fo yoosa, m'lady!"

T-bone

05-09-2005, 11:27 AM

Apparently, he doesn't even utter a word. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif

fred2

05-09-2005, 11:33 AM

Does anyone know -- is Boss Nass still at the funeral (as rumored)?

P-Ray

05-09-2005, 11:54 AM

Just for the record, I like the Jar Jar Binks character (and so does my son).

And I know many other adults(and of course kids) who do to.

Master Magnus

05-09-2005, 12:01 PM

Originally posted by fred2@May 9 2005, 03:33 PM
Does anyone know -- is Boss Nass still at the funeral (as rumored)?
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Yes, I've read a review (I don't remember which one though) where it said that Jar Jar and Boss Nass walks together at the funeral.

fred2

05-09-2005, 12:59 PM

Originally posted by Master Magnus+May 9 2005, 10:01 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Master Magnus @ May 9 2005, 10:01 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-fred2@May 9 2005, 03:33 PM
Does anyone know -- is Boss Nass still at the funeral (as rumored)?
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Yes, I've read a review (I don't remember which one though) where it said that Jar Jar and Boss Nass walks together at the funeral.
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Cool thanks.

For the record, I never had a problem with Jar Jar (and the Gungans either). But I can certainly see why others might. I think most folks would've been happier if Capatain Tarpals were substituted in place of Jar Jar.

JMAS

05-09-2005, 04:09 PM

Originally posted by fred2@May 9 2005, 07:59 AM
For the record, I never had a problem with Jar Jar (and the Gungans either). But I can certainly see why others might. I think most folks would've been happier if Capatain Tarpals were substituted in place of Jar Jar.
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I'm of the same mind. Maybe not having Captain Tarpals replace Jar Jar, but not having him so stupid. He was clumsy and brainless to the extreme. That I think would have been perfect.

Oh, here's a picture of one of the first decorations Palpidious has made and put in his throne room in the imperial palace style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif

[attachmentid=12178]

Cassus Fett

05-09-2005, 04:20 PM

lol
I like Jar Jar Binks he is a good character.

fred2

05-09-2005, 04:29 PM

Originally posted by JMAS@May 9 2005, 02:09 PM
Oh, here's a picture of one of the first decorations Palpidious has made and put in his throne room in the imperial palace style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif

That's pretty damn funny.

Bretsch

05-09-2005, 04:30 PM

style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rofl.gif I like Jar Jar, but that's hillarious

chreff

05-09-2005, 05:54 PM

That's too funny!!! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rofl.gif

Emperor Palpatine

05-09-2005, 08:42 PM

I hope he didn't survive the freezing process. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/no.gif

MANVERU

05-09-2005, 08:55 PM

the thing about Jar Jar is that hes a character that u love to hate, u know wat i mean?

Emperor Palpatine

05-09-2005, 08:58 PM

I understand, and I can stand him at times, but I feel he should have been given a few lines in Episode III, at least. He's gone from being a primary character in Episode I, to a secondary character in Episode II, and now to a background character. It'll kind of be upsetting for the little kids, but then again, as George has said, Revenge of the Sith isn't supposed to be "light" and "fun", at least in the playful sense. (The movies get progressively darker, and I guess the only way to do that is to cut back on Jar Jar's screen time).

MANVERU

05-10-2005, 12:43 AM

Originally posted by Emperor Palpatine@May 10 2005, 09:58 AM
I understand, and I can stand him at times, but I feel he should have been given a few lines in Episode III, at least. He's gone from being a primary character in Episode I, to a secondary character in Episode II, and now to a background character. It'll kind of be upsetting for the little kids, but then again, as George has said, Revenge of the Sith isn't supposed to be "light" and "fun", at least in the playful. (The movies get progressively darker, and I guess the only way to do that is to cut back on Jar Jar's screen time).
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^ indeed, as george said in that 60 Minutes interview. "It's my idea of hell".
So your right, its gonna be a non-kids movie, i dunno about over in the states, but Australia is given it an M rating.
So bottom point, Jar Jar is just too much of a funny character to put in a serious movie, but then if you have noticed in AOTC, Jar Jar sort of shaped up a bit.

Suzanne (ex CoS Leia)

05-10-2005, 03:23 AM

Originally posted by P-Ray@May 9 2005, 11:54 PM
Just for the record, I like the Jar Jar Binks character (and so does my son).

And I know many other adults(and of course kids) who do to.
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My 12yo son still maintains that he's his favourite character and he is a little disppointed that his role is downplayed - although he understands why.

P-Ray

05-10-2005, 11:56 AM

My Sister-In-Law had a stuffed Jar Jar hanging in her laundry room until she gave it to me.

That's her favorite character.

dvs

05-10-2005, 01:39 PM

i never understood why jar jar got such a big part in TPM in the first place. if his role were smaller, i dont think people would have hated on him so bad.

leiaorgana

05-10-2005, 06:07 PM

^Some people... I like Jar Jar... so I give him style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbsup.gif even when I know a lot
of people doesn't like him I know some other people that does like him. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

Ps.: bad news for the ones that doens't like him... he did survive the freezing process style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ohwell.gif

Nobita_Kun

05-10-2005, 08:00 PM

Originally posted by dvs@May 10 2005, 11:39 AM
i never understood why jar jar got such a big part in TPM in the first place. if his role were smaller, i dont think people would have hated on him so bad.
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Cuz LUCAS is human and he does stupid things sometimes....

He had no character like HARRISON FORD to drop one liners and have a humerous personality in the preguels so he went overboard with JAR JAR...

Hell there isnt even any JEDI humor in the prequels,which is a shame style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif I think alot of it had to do with SAMUEL JACKSON....if he would have cast a different actor other than him...I dont know jus maybe somebody that uses there acting skills instead of using his past reputation in movies to try to convince the crowd.

ANd for the record yes JAR JAR was supposed to be black....the part at the end of TPM with the GUNGANS doing the "Black marching band thing" was going a bit far.

LUCAS is a genius and im one of his biggest fans...unfortunately when geniuses make mistakes there usally blown outa preportion and looked at more than there failures.

P-Ray

05-10-2005, 08:12 PM

Originally posted by Nobita_Kun+May 10 2005, 06:00 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Nobita_Kun @ May 10 2005, 06:00 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-dvs@May 10 2005, 11:39 AM
i never understood why jar jar got such a big part in TPM in the first place.* if his role were smaller, i dont think people would have hated on him so bad.
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Cuz LUCAS is human and he does stupid things sometimes....

He had no character like HARRISON FORD to drop one liners and have a humerous personality in the preguels so he went overboard with JAR JAR...

Hell there isnt even any JEDI humor in the prequels,which is a shame style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif I think alot of it had to do with SAMUEL JACKSON....if he would have cast a different actor other than him...I dont know jus maybe somebody that uses there acting skills instead of using his past reputation in movies to try to convince the crowd.

ANd for the record yes JAR JAR was supposed to be black....the part at the end of TPM with the GUNGANS doing the "Black marching band thing" was going a bit far.

LUCAS is a genius and im one of his biggest fans...unfortunately when geniuses make mistakes there usally blown outa preportion and looked at more than there failures.
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That's your opinion, of course, because I like Jar Jar's involvement in TPM.

I don't understand what Sam Jackson responsibilities were or what you meant.

Where is your basis for Jar Jar being black. Is that just your opinion or do you have something more for us? Lucas(and several other people involved in the movie) have said many times to the contrary. BTW, Jar Jar is orange. To me he is an orange goofball who doesn't even remotely make me think he is anything but.

Dutch

05-10-2005, 08:18 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>ANd for the record yes JAR JAR was supposed to be black....the part at the end of TPM with the GUNGANS doing the "Black marching band thing" was going a bit far.
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HUH?

James

05-10-2005, 08:32 PM

Love the pic! LMAO!!! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif

Nobita_Kun

05-10-2005, 09:05 PM

Originally posted by P-Ray+May 10 2005, 06:12 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(P-Ray @ May 10 2005, 06:12 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'>Originally posted by Nobita_Kun@May 10 2005, 06:00 PM
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i never understood why jar jar got such a big part in TPM in the first place.* if his role were smaller, i dont think people would have hated on him so bad.
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Cuz LUCAS is human and he does stupid things sometimes....

He had no character like HARRISON FORD to drop one liners and have a humerous personality in the preguels so he went overboard with JAR JAR...

Hell there isnt even any JEDI humor in the prequels,which is a shame style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif I think alot of it had to do with SAMUEL JACKSON....if he would have cast a different actor other than him...I dont know jus maybe somebody that uses there acting skills instead of using his past reputation in movies to try to convince the crowd.

ANd for the record yes JAR JAR was supposed to be black....the part at the end of TPM with the GUNGANS doing the "Black marching band thing" was going a bit far.

LUCAS is a genius and im one of his biggest fans...unfortunately when geniuses make mistakes there usally blown outa preportion and looked at more than there failures.
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Where is your basis for Jar Jar being black. Is that just your opinion or do you have something more for us?
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Well let me make a correction...he isnt black,your right he is orange...but look at the way that rascal walks in TPM and AOTC. And do you think its a coensedense that the guy that he used to animate JAR JAR was black? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/no.gif I dont know about you guys but whenever I watch disc 2 of TPM I fast foward all the parts with that idiot that Lucas used to animate Jar Jar he literally makes my liver quiver style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/banghead.gif ....then go and watch TPM again and watch the end of the movie and you will see the black marching band thing im talking about...one thing ive noticed is Lucas uses a formula...the formula is this "use things people can relate to" which usally works....but in the prequels he went to far though...the NIEMODIANS were of course supposed to be asian...my wifes asian and she pointed this out to me..and my japanese buisness partner and coworkers said the same thing.

Like I said Lucas is a genius...im one of his biggest fans...but casting decsisions like with MACE WINDU style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/no.gif he fits into STAR WARS about as good as the Star SHip Interprise would have( i know i preach this alot but they should have went with either KEITH DAVID or MORGAN FREEMAN.... also the "Crappy Yoda" yeah yall know what Im talking about the crappy puppet they used in TPM style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/no.gif it was really bad......although i heard that in that situation they got Yoda in late and by the time they got him under the lights and did a few takes and they realized how bad he looked it was to late to have made another one....but if you will notice and i know i may spell this wrong but SASSEE TIN was a head puppet at the end of TPM when he was behind either Yoda or young Aniken during the celebration at the end...his eyes were robotic and look like crap...the same puppet builders did him that did Yoda...he is now from what ive seen of ROTS all make up and actor now no robotic eyes.

But then again look at the awesome things he did do,CHRISTOPHER LEE was a awesome choice for DOOKU/TYRANUS um Darth Maul(never be another one like him)

I know i will catch a lil bit of grief for saying some of this stuff but ive found that you jus cant point out flaws that Lucas makes in and around fans...its like he can do no wrong...but in alot of ways Lucas has made me belive since i was 4 years old...and Im so blown away by his universe that i carefully scrutinize every thing he cranks out....nobodyys perfect and anything a human creates isnt perfect...the same applies to the prequels.

I love Star wars ,its my life...bu when I hear avid movie goers try to grill me for Jar Jar since they know how big of a fan I am alot of stuff you jus have to accept

P-Ray

05-11-2005, 12:26 AM

Originally posted by Nobita_Kun+May 10 2005, 07:05 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Nobita_Kun @ May 10 2005, 07:05 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'>Originally posted by P-Ray@May 10 2005, 06:12 PM
Originally posted by Nobita_Kun@May 10 2005, 06:00 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-dvs@May 10 2005, 11:39 AM
i never understood why jar jar got such a big part in TPM in the first place.* if his role were smaller, i dont think people would have hated on him so bad.
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Cuz LUCAS is human and he does stupid things sometimes....

He had no character like HARRISON FORD to drop one liners and have a humerous personality in the preguels so he went overboard with JAR JAR...

Hell there isnt even any JEDI humor in the prequels,which is a shame style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif I think alot of it had to do with SAMUEL JACKSON....if he would have cast a different actor other than him...I dont know jus maybe somebody that uses there acting skills instead of using his past reputation in movies to try to convince the crowd.

ANd for the record yes JAR JAR was supposed to be black....the part at the end of TPM with the GUNGANS doing the "Black marching band thing" was going a bit far.

LUCAS is a genius and im one of his biggest fans...unfortunately when geniuses make mistakes there usally blown outa preportion and looked at more than there failures.
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Where is your basis for Jar Jar being black. Is that just your opinion or do you have something more for us?
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Well let me make a correction...he isnt black,your right he is orange...but look at the way that rascal walks in TPM and AOTC. And do you think its a coensedense that the guy that he used to animate JAR JAR was black? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/no.gif I dont know about you guys but whenever I watch disc 2 of TPM I fast foward all the parts with that idiot that Lucas used to animate Jar Jar he literally makes my liver quiver style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/banghead.gif ....then go and watch TPM again and watch the end of the movie and you will see the black marching band thing im talking about...one thing ive noticed is Lucas uses a formula...the formula is this "use things people can relate to" which usally works....but in the prequels he went to far though...the NIEMODIANS were of course supposed to be asian...my wifes asian and she pointed this out to me..and my japanese buisness partner and coworkers said the same thing.

Like I said Lucas is a genius...im one of his biggest fans...but casting decsisions like with MACE WINDU style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/no.gif he fits into STAR WARS about as good as the Star SHip Interprise would have( i know i preach this alot but they should have went with either KEITH DAVID or MORGAN FREEMAN.... also the "Crappy Yoda" yeah yall know what Im talking about the crappy puppet they used in TPM style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/no.gif it was really bad......although i heard that in that situation they got Yoda in late and by the time they got him under the lights and did a few takes and they realized how bad he looked it was to late to have made another one...

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I simply don't agree!

The actor that is the basis for Jar Jar is black but that doesn't mean JJ is supposed to be. I think your jumping to the wrong conclusions, personally. JJ is just a big orange goofball. But of course he has the mannerisms of the actor that is playing him who happens to be African-American.

That's like someone accusing Watto of being a stereotypical character. They didn't know what type but he just had to be because of the way he spoke.

I don't get it with the Neimodians. I don't see Asian but of course I'm not sensitive to it.

I really like Sam Jackson as Mace so I can't agree with you there.

I myself hope Lucas goes back and fixes the TPM yoda by replacing with the CGI model.

maddog62

05-11-2005, 12:55 AM

ENTERPRIZE

Jacen Solo

05-12-2005, 09:10 PM

There's no denying the fact that Jar Jar was important to the plot. Guillable, easy to manipulate ... he was the perfect target for Sidious to make his move. One could say that, by voting the Chancellor emergency powers, Jar Jar felt he was doing the right thing. I don't think this might have been the case; I think Jar Jar just wanted to feel useful for a change.

P-Ray

05-21-2005, 01:07 AM

I just wanted to share the love for Jar Jar in my circle.

First of all, my son made his own stuffed Bear toady and named it Jar Jar.

Plus I went to a Star Wars party tonight to watch TPM. BTW, we had Yoda soda, Wookie cookies and Padme popcorn. Anywho, my wife watched it in it's entirty for the first time plus there were a bunch of kids there. Everyone constantly laughed at Jar Jar and my wife even laughed at him. She said that he was what she liked the most.

Theropod

05-24-2005, 10:53 PM

I don't think anyone else has mentioned this, but Jar Jar does speak in the film.
After the rescue when the Senate delagation greets Anakin,you can hear Jar Jar say "Excuse Me." (not "exsqueeze me") And another senator grunts in disgust of Jar Jar being in the way.

It occurs during the overhead shot, facing out from the building, just before Anakin speaks to Bail.

Bretsch

05-24-2005, 10:55 PM

^He does speak, I think he steps over someone's foot, that's what he's apologizing for.

darthimmus

05-24-2005, 10:55 PM

I vaguely remember that

DarthAnakin

05-24-2005, 11:35 PM

I'm very happy with Jar Jar's limited screen time.

Theropod

05-25-2005, 03:48 AM

I'm not a member of the Jar Jar fanclub, but I do think he has his place in the story arc. Cut a few dumb gags out of TPM and Jar Jar is far more credible.

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I've always felt that Jar Jar represented the innocence of the pre-war Republic. I saw him as a mirror to the young and adolescent Anakin. As Anakin grew up, so did Jar Jar. You could see that in AOTC. Yes, he remains simple minded, but he is more mature and aware of his role in society. Hence, how he was duped into calling for Palpatine to have emergency powers in the Senate. Truly a pivotal moment in the saga.

I would have liked to see this reflection of Anakin continue in ROTS as well. Not much, but a poignant moment to wrap up his role in the PT and to emphasize the loss of innocence in Jar Jar and the Republic. A good scene that would cause Jar Jar to need Prozac for life. Perhaps if he was with Bail when Bail rushed to the burning Jedi temple. Let Jar Jar scream Nooo! when the padawan gets killed. Or perhaps let Jar Jar be witness to an atrocity performed by Anakin. Or even himself learn that Palpatine, who he trusted and befriended was the Sith lord. Some sort of wrap up to the character might have been cool.

If it were the last idea, it would need to be conducted like in the book Labyrinth of Evil when the research technician discovers the secret of the Sith lord. Read the book, but if it happened this way it would probably make a bunch of whining fanboys happy.

Which brings up my other thought. It appears that Lucas may have let Jar Jar fade into oblivion because of the uproar about the character in TPM. If Jar Jar was well received, you know there would have been more of him in ROTS (and AOTC for that matter). But, I've always pictured Lucas as one to go against the grain of popular thought. For that reason I was glad to see Jar Jar have a substantial moment in AOTC. IT was almost like George was rebelling against the naysayers. But then to nearly erase Jar Jar complety when it came to ROTS makes me feel like Lucas let the loud mouths bend his spine and have thier way. With basically no Jar Jar, he let the gripers win just as much as if he wrote a scene where Anakin would decapitate the Gungan for sneezing on his cloak.

Maybe Lucas never planned to have Jar Jar have any role in ROTS. Who knows? But if that is the case, why make him such a major character in TPM or cause the dawn of the empire in AOTC?
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By the way, in the eventual extended DVD version you will see that not only is Padme pregnant, but Mon Mothma is expecting to give birth to Jar Jar's child.

bjgsanders

05-25-2005, 06:19 AM

Jar-Jar is one of the stupid things of the Prequels!!!

Theropod

05-26-2005, 02:06 AM

^
Thanks for the eloquent reply.
Take pride in your witty retort.
The GS community is privileged to have the opportunity to contemplate all the decisive points you have given to support your assertion.
Now, go back to the gypsy camp, your trailer is waiting.

Suzanne (ex CoS Leia)

05-26-2005, 02:21 AM

Theropod, I agree with what you have said about Jar Jar in TPM.

I think that the reduction of his character's role in RotS might not have been based on Lucas's concern about public opinion (really, that has never seemed to worry him before) but as a reflection of the seriousness of the times.

I think that, particularly in the book, the scene in the senate pod at the declaration of the Empire has that much more gravity when you know that the usually irrepressable Jar Jar is in there - and even he is reduced to the inability to speak.

BlueDaintree

05-26-2005, 04:58 AM

It would have been nice to have a reaction from Jar Jar regarding the situation, since, like it or not, we were given Jar Jar's perspective in TPM and it is odd when major characters are fazed out or aren't built upon. There should be some sort of arc there. Whether it's one scene, one line, or even one reaction shot.

Suzanne (ex CoS Leia)

05-26-2005, 10:56 PM

Jar Jar does speak!

See the second last para of this article at ToS:
http://www.starwars.com/episode-iii/bts/pr...0526/index.html (http://www.starwars.com/episode-iii/bts/production/f20050526/index.html)

Some press outlets have reported that Jar Jar doesn't utter a single word in this film, but he does. Listen closely as the Senators file in behind Palpatine and enter the building. The bungling Gungan accidentally invades Senator Orn Free Taa's personal space, provoking an exchange of "Watch it." "Excuse me."

BlueDaintree

05-27-2005, 08:44 AM

I caught that line, which I thought was funny. (Shouldn't it be "Ex-SQUEEZE me?!). It's a bit like the typical, "Poor Jar Jar" at the beginning of the movie with that, but towards the end you wonder how he is reacting to the Republic becoming an Empire since he gave the Chancellor the emergency powers. Perhaps a carefully placed, "Uh-oh, big boo-boo!" or "My bom-bad!".

Luminara Skye

05-27-2005, 09:13 AM

I would have like to see a little (not a lot, mind you! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif ) more of Jar Jar. But I guess the story that was being told had little room for him. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ohwell.gif

CorruptedSenator

05-28-2005, 12:37 AM

Personally, I was disappointed that they didn't have Jar Jar killed off... I think a good old political assassination would have been in order! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/royalguard.gif

Luminara Skye

05-28-2005, 02:43 AM

Aww, you should notten be sayin' dat! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

Dutch

05-28-2005, 11:04 AM

I wonder how many of the people that say "Jar Jar should die" and the like, REALLY believe he should've been killed off and the movie would have been better if that scene was in the movie.

I hope posts like that are just joking posts.

I just for the life of me can't understand how Jar Jar Binks ruins SW for so many people.

What is the big damn deal with him?

Edgeomatic

05-28-2005, 11:44 AM

I would of also like to see Jar Jar's reaction to the evnts unfolding just a tad bit more. I forgot who posted it, but someone typed in that him and the Gungans might be taken as slaves. I think that this is a great idea for a Star Wars comic book. Just showing how some charecters are affected from the events of ROTS.

T-bone

05-28-2005, 11:46 AM

I maybe wrong but I believe that's the same line from the dinner table scene in TPM and they just reused it. He says "Excuse me" just like that in TPM.

T-bone

05-28-2005, 11:49 AM

i might be wrong on that actually - i'll check around later on.
i thought i heard him say that in TPM or CLONES somewhere

Edgeomatic

05-28-2005, 11:59 AM

Yea. I think it's when Jar Jar tells Qui-Gon about Otah-Gunga, but I'm definatly sure it's from TPM.

T-bone

05-28-2005, 11:59 AM

i forgot where it is but i know i've heard him say that before like that...and i'm sure they wouldn't bring in ahmed best for 2 seconds of ADR.

JKRich

05-28-2005, 12:16 PM

Originally posted by Theropod@May 25 2005, 01:48 AM
Perhaps if he was with Bail when Bail rushed to the burning Jedi temple. Let Jar Jar scream Nooo! when the padawan gets killed. Or perhaps let Jar Jar be witness to an atrocity performed by Anakin. Or even himself learn that Palpatine, who he trusted and befriended was the Sith lord. Some sort of wrap up to the character might have been cool.

But then to nearly erase Jar Jar complety when it came to ROTS makes me feel like Lucas let the loud mouths bend his spine and have thier way. With basically no Jar Jar, he let the gripers win

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I myself am not a Jar Jar basher.I do however think it was wise of Lucas to keep his part at a minimum in ROTS.Any dialogue other than the "excuse me" wouldve brought the tempo of the movie to a screeching halt.He had a big part in TPM clearly because it was a more innocent and childlike film(which i do like)ROTS has no room for these type of scenes or dialogue.I am glad he didnt get killed off though as some of wanted.

T-bone

05-28-2005, 12:20 PM

No need to kill him, except to make fans and detractors happy. However, if Jar Jar did take off like Chewie did, you would have seen MUCH more of him in the other two films.

Ewok Hater

05-28-2005, 01:04 PM

Jar Jar said the "excuse me" when he, Qui Gonn & Padme were at the dinner table with Anakin & Shmi in TPM. Jar Jar reaches for an apple or something with his tongue, then says "excuse me", when everyone looks at him.

BlueDaintree

05-28-2005, 02:53 PM

Originally posted by T'bone@May 29 2005, 02:20 AM
No need to kill him, except to make fans and detractors happy. However, if Jar Jar did take off like Chewie did, you would have seen MUCH more of him in the other two films.
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I had that feeling. On one side, Lucas says he didn't know that TPM was so badly received until he started doing press for AOTC. But I do remember him defending the criticisms towards Jar-Jar as well as the Neimoidians. Regarding Jar-Jar, he said that people hated Yoda at first too. But then suddenly JJ's roles is reduced. And when people said that the Neimodians were Japanese stereotypes, he defended it and said they were actually Transylvanian accents. But then in AOTC and ROTS their accents don't seem as strong.

Then Lucas laments that he didn't give Boba Fett a more dramatic death (after expanding his character) after the character took off.

But in the Prequels there are quite a few characters that get more focus in one film and not in others - the Gungans, Boba Fett, the Kaminoans, even Dooku and the Separatists didn't get as much attention as I expected. Come to think of it, even C3P0's arc is pretty weak in the Prequels. It's more nostalgic.

techno-union

03-11-2006, 11:59 AM

I found more Jar Jar in ROTS!

Walking up the stairs in opera theatre, look for a red cloaked figure with a duck bill.

Galahad_Skywalker

03-12-2006, 08:51 PM

Originally posted by Dutch@May 28 2005, 07:04 AM
I wonder how many of the people that say "Jar Jar should die" and the like, REALLY believe he should've been killed off and the movie would have been better if that scene was in the movie.

I hope posts like that are just joking posts.

I just for the life of me can't understand how Jar Jar Binks ruins SW for so many people.

What is the big damn deal with him?
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I completely agree! How could he have possibly have ruined the movie for people? I think he's just a scapegoat.

Rabid Whiphid

03-18-2006, 06:03 AM

I am one of those old-school SW fans (in other words 30+ yrs old) and Jar Jar doesn't bother me. I mostly feel sort of indifferent toward hm, as I did toward the Ewoks when ROTJ came out when I was in the fifth grade. In other words - I can understand why that character is there (even moreso after seeing AOTC), and I can enjoy those scenes with him, but, you know, he's not really for me, that's all. However, as an old school fan who has grown up with these movies, I can grasp why Jar Jar's presence rubs a lot of other old-school fans the wrong way.

In my humble opinion, there's a small number of problems with the Jar Jar character, that make him "annoying", as many fans have described him, rather than "endearing", which GL obviously hoped for and intended. If any of these very basic problems had been handled a little differently, I'd bet you anything nobody would've ever had a problem with him.

And again this is just one old-school fan's opinion, but consider and see if you don't agree with me...

#1 - Exposure / Screen time - The single biggest problem with Jar Jar in TPM (or at least, the single biggest reason I think he rubbed people the wrong way in TPM) is just because he is given too much screen time. He is always taking center stage, the camera is always coming back to him. And whenever it does, he has dialogue, putting too much focus on what is supposed to be, really, just a supporting character. If Jar Jar's presence in TPM had been pushed back more, if he had been portrayed as more of a sidekick rather than a camera-hog / scene stealer - if he had been given only about as much emphasis and exposure as, say, Chewbacca in the OT - he would have gone over with people much more easily.

#2 - Voice Characterization - I would suggest that if Jar Jar had been given a cool-sounding alien language like Greedo in ANH, or even a language composed of animalistic sounds (again, in the tradition of Chewie) he would have seemed altogether weirder, more unearthly, and therefore more believeable as an intelligent being from another planet. The Amhed Best voice characterization, though it might be funny to litte kids, only comes across to adults as simply a characature of an obnoxious human.

#3 - Acting / Performance - Jar Jar's acting (in TPM, not in AOTC) is altogether too cartoony. His jump, summersault, and dive into the Naboo pond at the beginning of TPM, his swooning and falling down after Boss Nass makes him a "Bom-bad General", all those kind of idiosynchracies, are cartoon-character behaviors. It's the kind of stuff you'd see Daffy Duck do in a Loony Toons cartoon. Not believeable for what is supposed to be a photo-realistic flesh and blood character. The same complaint could be made about Boss Nass's head-shaking, drool-spraying behavior after he tells Padme "Maybe Weesa bein' friends". Of course, the ILM guys couldn't have known it in the late 1990's when they were working on those effects, but, as Gollum proved in The Two Towers in 2002, the more downplayed the performance of a digitally animated character is, the more believeable and lifelike that character becomes.

#4 - The Eopie Fart Joke - and this one can't even really be blamed on Jar Jar, so much as the mindset of the ILM guys (and I suppose GL) at the time they made TPM. This is the one thing I will put my foot down on as an old-school fan. The Sarlacc can belch all it wants. But fart jokes do not belong in Star Wars. So there.

And there you go. Those are really the only red flags that I see when I watch Jar Jar in action. They are not movie-ruining things. Anybody who says they are, is just being a grump who refuses to be satisfied. I mean, come on, to dismiss all the other great -true-to-form SW moments - especially the Darth Maul stuff - in TPM just because you don't like one character is silly.

Jar Jar is a great-looking alien character. It's a fantastic creature design. And his role in the story - as the poor fool - the one person in the entire Senate who Palpatine can manipulate into advancing him the emergency powers needed to create the clone army, is an ingenious story twist. It's just a handful of key mistakes that were made with the animated performance of that character that kinda ruined something that should have been really cool.

Again, just my opinion.