X-Wing series

[Rogue_0009]

I've read the first few X-wing books and was wondering what all of you think about them????????

[Nathan Butler]

Personally, I consider them some of the best SW books out there. If you were to include the other works by Stackpole and Allston, then you've definitely got the cream of the crop.

Of those two, Allston's my favorite, mainly due to his dialogue.

[Doctor Evil]

I agree about Stackpole. I read his two NJO books and liked them so much I went back and got I, Jedi. His pacing and writing of action scenes is top notch.

If they ever turn the NJO into an animated series (Just a dream of mine) he should be the head writer or a consultant. His Chapters play out just like the scenes in a TV show. He balances the multiple storylines well.

I look forward to Allston's books too. I am now reading Heir to the Empire by Zahn. It is very good, but stylistically, I still think I prefer Stackpole. We'll see as I get some more Zahn under my belt.

Doc :devil:

[Whuffa]

The X-Wing books are amazing 'cause the writers had a lot more freedom in developing the characters. That's why they feel like real people. Plus Allston has a great sense of humor, and writes great dialouges.

[jade51999]

I agree..one of the funniest books in the group is starfighters of Adumar..style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif but that's also b/c i like the romance aspect of it too..

overall i think they're great..they do a good job of filling up the time between Truce at Bakura and Courtship of Princess Leia..

and then tell you some more about after Thrawn encounters...

Stackpole and Allston both create charachters that you love, and wnat to read more about..which is why it was great to hear about their lives since then in the NJO..style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[Shoma Barad]

Yeah. For me, the X-Wing Books are the pick of the Bunch. The only ones I felt a bit let down by were Isards Revenge and Solo Command... they didn't feel the same... and Lara Notsil bugs me... It WAS cool seeing Myn in Isards Revenge though... nice to see he didn't get written off.

Stackpole and Allston are both fantastic writers. Their styles are fairly similar, which is why the X-Wing books flow so nicely together. Allston has the edge in the humour stakes though.. Maybe Lucas should've had Allston write for Jar Jar... lol

Best book? Either Starfighters of Adumar, or Iron Fist (Both by Allston). Fantastic, all the way.

~~Shoma

[GaViN28x]

They are Great Books, Some of the best written SW books in my opinion. The books make u Feel like you are in there with the Characaters, i personally can reread the whole seires and still not be able to put the books down.

[Luminara Skye]

I just bought the first three X-Wing books. *I discovered Corran Horn in the NJO and he's my hero! *So I had to start getting the X-Wing Series. *I recently read I, Jedi and it is one of my faves. *So far I have only read Rouge Squadron. *Busy reading the NJO and right now BFC. *I got behind on my reading. *I'm glad to hear the rest of the X-Wing Series is good. *I'll have to be sure to get the rest! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/bigsmile.gif

[Mookel1138]

I thought the X-wing series was top-notch. The first EU book I ever read was Rogue Squadron, so that's how I got hooked.

[Skywalker]

The X-Wing series are definitely contain some of the greatest writing in the Star Wars EU. Stackpole is probably one of the top three Star Wars authors. One of the other two would be Zahn and I'm not sure who the third would be, probably Allston. Stackpole has written more Star Wars novels than any one else, which has given him plenty of experience. And I would not consider any one of his eight Star Wars novels bad, though some may be better than others. Allston is as good of an X-Wing writer as Stackpole if not better. All of the nine X-Wing novels create an enjoyable reading experience.

[Shoma Barad]

Elassar Targon is my Idol... lol

~~Shoma

[JediKeri.]

Hmmmmmmm....I'm gonna have to read the series again...I think of Corran, and then I just go nuts!

[James T. Skywalker]

I believe that the X-Wing series has truly become the "must read" among the Bantam series of novels, just as the Thrawn and Jedi Academy Trilogies were.

There's so much great writing between Stackpole and Allston, and it's been great seeing their other works (I, Jedi for Stackpoles and the NJO stuff for both) recently.

~JTS

[Shoma Barad]

Of all the books, the X-Wing Series would be the ones I read the most... i must be on my 15th or 16th run through them now, and I still love them. Sure, I might skip the occasional chapter (Like some of the early Kirtan Loor stuff), but overall, they are still, and will always be fantastic!!!

(Has anyone read Stackpoles latest stuff- Dark Glory War and Fortress Draconis? Get them.. they are amazing... Lord of the Rings, eat your heart out!!! Well, maybe not... but they are very good!)

~~Shoma

[GaViN28x]

Shoma I am on my 6th runthrough and I am just the same as you about skipping some of the Kirtain Loor stuff but thats ok because I have them almost commited to memory anyway.

[Clara]

<span style="color:7000CC">I finally bought the first book after having been meaning to for the past couple of years. I've read three or four in the past after borrowing them from the library, but its not the same as owning them.</span>

[GaViN28x]

Ok ok i know this is going to sound weird ,but i just read pages 172 and 173 of the book Iron Fist in the x-wing series, and it was basicly Face reading some mail he got from New Republic Intelagence. In the mail if I read this right it basicly said that Lara Notsil (Gara Petothel) is Yasanne Isard's eather step-sister or half-sister. Am i reading this wrong or does it make sence to anyone else out there.

[JediKeri.]

Nah, It's just saying that Lara's (Gara) parents worked under Armand Isard. They were alledgely found guilty of some kind of Treason and executed. Icehart and Gara were never sisters of any kind.

[RedMirax]

The absolute most thrilling part of Celebration II was getting my (very much used) Starfighters of Adumar signed by Aaron Allston and Ian Liston (Wes Janson)!!!! If only Mike Stackpole had been there!!! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[Mara1Jade]

Did someone say Corran?

[JediKeri.]

I Did!!!

Corran, Corran, Corran!!!!!

[Blizzard]

Yay for Redmirax! That was awesome!

The X-wing series is the best of all the Star Wars novels. There is just something about pilots!! Mmmmmm

And Jedi pilots are even better!!! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbsup.gif

[Mara1Jade]

Jedi pilots?

*coughcoughCorranisdamancoughcough*

And you gotta love Wes Janson. "You can't look dignified having fun."

[GaViN28x]

Wes makes the seires (well in part), and Allston does soo good with his dialouge.

[RedMirax]

Wes ROCKS!!!!!!!!!! He IS LT. NICE REAR!!!! LOL style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[Luminara Skye]

I just received the rest of the X-Wing Series! *I have a lot of catching up to do! *Am I to understand the Starfighters of Adumar is one of the best? *Everyone seems to talk about that more than the others! * style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif

[RedMirax]

It is REALLY great and it's the last of the series. It doesn't have Corran in it, though. Think of SoA as The Three Musketeers!!! There are classic Wes and Hobbie moments and Tycho and Wege round it out!!! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[Rogue_0009]

luminara, I prefered Isard's Revenge but that's just me I'd call it and SoA the top 2 in the series

[jade51999]

hola!,

i thought this might be the proper place to put my question instead of starting a new thread..

those of you who remember my fanfic from J'net (i don't think i finished posting it there) and blizzard skies "To Honor the Dead" i'm writing the sequal..and i want to utilize Rouge and Wraith squadron....

My sequal fanfic takes place during the second arc of the Young Jedi Knight series..and i wanted to know who you all thought was still in Rouge and Wraith Squadrons...

This is what i have so far..:

Rouge:
Gavin Darklighter--Rouge Leader
Myn Donos (although he could have left by now)
Ooryl (Rouge 10)

Asyr Syllar (but she "died")
Nawara Ven (XO)
i'm assuming that Rhysati left to raise a family but i could be wrong...

i'm thinking that Tycho, Hobbie and Janson have left at this point b/c they rejoin in NJO


Wraith
Face
Kell
Piggy (Voort Sa Bring)
Runt
Elssar (master of the universe)
(Aaron Allston said he thought that Dia would have left the squadron to do something on Ryloth...so i'm gonna use her on ryloth..)

ummmm...
i can look up all their numbers from my novels
but i was wondering what yoru speculations are to who was still in the squadron..

So the time period is 24-25 years after ANH about 1.5 yers before Vector Prime...

perhaps more than that...

okie
any help you can give me would be helpful..
thanks!
jade

[jade51999]

No one? hmm

[jade51999]

No one? hmm

[jade51999]

up

[Rogue_0009]

Well the only ones i can tell you for sure for Rogue squadron are Gavin, and Inyri Forge, maybe Myn can't be sure though. The Wraiths on the other hand I can say Face, Kell, Elassar, and probably Runt. Oh yeah, Piggy retired. Sorry I couldn't help more.

[RedMirax]

Piggy is still around, becasue he's around in the NJO...

[Rogue_0009]

I'm saying Piggy resign from Wraith Squadron a few years after Zsinj was defeated then joined Twin Suns in NJO:RD

[jade51999]

Yea..actually i think they were part of twin suns only in the capacity of maintaining Jaina's facade and Yun Harla "the trickster"...


but thanks GUYS!
style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif this is a big help!

[Zane Marit]

Originally posted by RedMirax@Jul 22 2002, 04:22 AM
The absolute most thrilling part of Celebration II was getting my (very much used) Starfighters of Adumar signed by Aaron Allston and Ian Liston (Wes Janson)!!!! If only Mike Stackpole had been there!!! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif
Looks like I have one up on ya Red...I met Stackpole at a convention here and he is a great guy. He autographed my Rogue Squadron book and was very personable. We talked a little about the Wraith books and how he collaborated with Aaron and also Kevin J on some the guides. Unfortunately, I have not me Aaron yet...so maybe that makes us even... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif


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[RedMirax]

LOL!!!!!!! But Ian signed it, too!!! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif He was soooo nice!! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[Zane Marit]

Hey Red...just what does your sig mean?!?....I just don't get it... ???


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[RedMirax]

Which one?

The Corran one means....Corran might not have telekinetic ability, but he has EVERYTHING else.


The second one is a line from a song from an anime called Escaflowne.

The third is from the movie Clue with Tim Curry. That was an absolute GREAT movie!!! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[Zane Marit]

Ohhh...now I don't feel so "clue"less....

The anime thing...not really into it...but maybe you can convince me... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

Clue the movie I thought was pretty funny...I remember it had like 3 different endings...Tim Curry was in a video game I had on PC but it sucked and I no longer have it...

Of course his best role was...????


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[James T. Skywalker]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>This is what i have so far..:

Rouge:
Gavin Darklighter--Rouge Leader
Myn Donos (although he could have left by now)
Ooryl (Rouge 10)

Asyr Syllar (but she "died")
Nawara Ven (XO)
i'm assuming that Rhysati left to raise a family but i could be wrong...[/b][/quote]

Gavin's there, Inyri's there, my guess is that the squadron restructured after Union, from those two downward. I'd guess that Alinn Varth and Krag Val both joined the Rogues at that point (if they weren't before that, which I doubt in any case). Nawara was gone from the Rogues by the time of the Hand of Thrawn duology; he was working on the Errant Venture for Booster during that time. I personally have the sneaking suspicion that Ooryl died at some point between I, Jedi and the HoT duology. Asyr wouldn't return while Gavin was still in the squadron, since he still thinks she's dead. And Rhysati married Nawara before Isard's Revenge, resigned before then, and I'd guess she's on the EV with Nawara.

~JTS

[RedMirax]

I've wondered if Asyr would make an appearance in the NJO.

[James T. Skywalker]

Originally posted by RedMirax@Sep 4 2002, 11:53 PM
I've wondered if Asyr would make an appearance in the NJO.
People have speculated that the instructor at the Bothan Academy that Admiral Kre'fay attended, who spoke out about the current Bothan institution (their political structure), was Asyr, but that's just a fan perspective. We may never know.

~JTS

[JediKeri.]

James: That Admiral was a He

[James T. Skywalker]

The Admiral (Kre'fay) was a he, I never said that he wasn't. But I was talking about his instructor, and that person's gender is never given.

~JTS

[Jeianni]

oohhh, I always wanted Asyr to reappear and console Gavin's Broken Heart!! Does anyone know if he ever hooked up with someone else and got married or something? I thought I remembered reading somewhere that he had a wife and kids or something. Or is that Wedge?

[RedMirax]

Yes, Gavin is married and has kids. Wedge, too. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[James T. Skywalker]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Does anyone know if [Gavin] ever hooked up with someone else and got married or something?[/b][/quote]

Gavin married a social worker named Sera Faleur, who worked at an adoption agency near the Rogue's headquarters. She helped him with the adoption of two young orphans who lived near the Rogue HQ, then the two later married after the Reborn Emperor's attacks. Gavin and Sera then had a daughter, then another boy, and another boy, and a girl. In all, I believe they had seven children, but I'm not entirely sure. I'd have to go back and recheck the info provided in Dark Tide: Onslaught.

~JTS

[Luminara Skye]

According to the NEGTC Gavin adopted 2 boys. Sera was the social worker who helped him adopt the boys. They married eventually and had a girl, then a boy, then another girl. So that would make 5 children for him. Then his sister's husband died and he took in his sister and her children (they didn't say how many she had.) He sounds like a real family man! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

Wedge has 2 daughters. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[Jeianni]

WHAT?? Excuse my surprise, but WHAT? He's not supposed to marry someone, he's supposed to love only Asyr, duh! Uggh, I'm gonna go sulk and eat chocolate now. This is almost as bad as when Corran fake died the first time. Oh, goodbye cruel world!!

*Slinks off with a box of godiva under her arm.*

[James T. Skywalker]

Jeianni, did you really expect him to curl up in a ball and never see another female as long as he lived just because Asyr died? Nah, he's happy now, and since he doesn't know Asyr's alive, he can live a more productive life (that's what Asyr would have wanted).

~JTS

[James T. Skywalker]

Originally posted by Luminara Skye@Sep 6 2002, 07:52 PM
According to the NEGTC Gavin adopted 2 boys. Sera was the social worker who helped him adopt the boys. They married eventually and had a girl, then a boy, then another girl. So that would make 5 children for him. Then his sister's husband died and he took in his sister and her children (they didn't say how many she had.) He sounds like a real family man! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

Wedge has 2 daughters. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif
Thanks Luminara. I really didn't want to have to go back through Dark Tide anyway. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif

~JTS

[RedMirax]

I have been hoping we would get to see some stuff on Gavin. Meet his wife and kids, but so far, no dice....

[Luminara Skye]

Originally posted by JamesTSkywalker@Sep 6 2002, 11:53 PM
Thanks Luminara. I really didn't want to have to go back through Dark Tide anyway. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif

~JTS
You're welcomed! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/hehe.gif

[JediKeri.]

Originally posted by JamesTSkywalker@Sep 5 2002, 06:39 PM
The Admiral (Kre'fay) was a he, I never said that he wasn't. But I was talking about his instructor, and that person's gender is never given.

~JTS
Thank you James for pointing that out. I didn't remember it. I'm fixing to read the whole series all over again.

[GaViN28x]

ummm... a little off topic but what it the NEGTC????

[James T. Skywalker]

Originally posted by GaViN28x@Sep 8 2002, 07:12 PM
ummm... a little off topic but what it the NEGTC????
The New Essential Guide to Characters, written by Dan Wallace.

~JTS

[Jeianni]

" Jeianni, did you really expect him to curl up in a ball and never see another female as long as he lived just because Asyr died? "

Yes, as a matter of a fact, I did. Where's the romanticism?

[jade51999]

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Yea but its kinda sad that you don't end up living to the your potential..its insulting to the memory of the dead..

would asyr really want him to just let himself go?
i don't think so...b/c then he isn't the man she loved

[CorranHorn]

I just bought the last 3 books of this series. They are great books! I love the characters, my favorite being Corran Horn... obviously. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif I don't really like the way Asyr left but I suppose I'll get over it. I also didn't like that Gara Petathol (and all her other names style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif ) had to leave. But again I'll get over it.

[Clara]

<span style="color:7000CC">I now own #1 and #3. Got to get the rest. The X-wing books are the best in the whole saga</span>

[Luminara Skye]

I've read up to Wraith Squadron so far. I have all of them but I don't have the time I would like for reading. I'll probably pick up the next novel inbetween Tolkien books. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif

[Whisper]

Read everyone, love everyone

[Clara]

<span style="color:7000CC">Just changing what I've got. Picked up 6 of the books for $2 Australian each, brand new at a Trash and Trivia market. I now own all of them except #7 Iron Fist. They didn't have it. Will look again though. Almost finished Wedge's Gamble though I only bought them all today.</span> style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/cool.gif

[Rogue_0009]

<span style="color:silver">Iron fist is the third best one, because Elassar Targon, master of the universe, Makes his debut, and other reasons.</span>

[Whisper]

Elassar Targon makes his appearance in Solo Command, not Iron Fist.

[JediKeri.]

Elassar is....well...weird. Even for a non human.

[CorranHorn]

Originally posted by Clara@Jan 26 2003, 05:20 AM
<span style="color:7000CC">Just changing what I've got. Picked up 6 of the books for $2 Australian each, brand new at a Trash and Trivia market. I now own all of them except #7 Iron Fist. They didn't have it. Will look again though. Almost finished Wedge's Gamble though I only bought them all today.</span> style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/cool.gif
I though #7 was Solo Command?

[Clara]

<span style="color:7000CC">Yes, it is. I realized my mistake about half an hour after my internet crashed. Iron Fist is number 6.</span>

[Jors_Dedon]

I just started Isard's Revenge...
Okay... is Starfighters of Adumar a Wraith or Rogue book? and... Where's Face?! He's the best!

[Rogue_0009]

<span style="color:silver">Its neither its aRed Flight book, Wedge, Tycho, Wes and Hobbie have zany mis-adventures.</span>

[RedMirax]

SoA is the BEST!!! (without Corran, that is!! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif )

[Whisper]

Starfighters of Adumar is the best paced of all the X-wings, and i think it's cuz there's only Five, maybe Six major characters. And three or four minor characters worth knowing. One character that was introduced in certain ways should have had a bit more to do, but I guess time and imagination caused some of that to be edited :-D

[Clara]

<span style="color:7000CC">Agreed, SoA is the best (like RM said, without Corran). I had a great laugh.

"Diplomacy is saying something soothing before you pull the trigger, right?"

Gotta love Wes. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif </span>

[Rogue_0009]

<span style="color:silver">Yub Yub, Clara.</span>

[Clara]

<span style="color:7000CC">Yub yub, Rogue</span> style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

[Whisper]

Yub Yub? ALRIGHT!! WHO LET THE FRICKING EWOKS IN!!??!??!?!?!?

[RedMirax]

Don't worry, Whispy....it's just Lt. Ketch!!! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[Rogue_0009]

<span style="color:silver">He's an Ewok y'know.</span>

[JediKeri.]

Where is Kettch anyway? I wanna give a noogie to the little furball.

I've had an idea. They should have Wes show up again the the NJO with the ewoks for a big prank on the Rogues or Twin Suns squads....

[Rogue_0009]

<span style="color:silver">Well he did come back in Enemie Lines, but no pranks as yet.</span>

[mirax terrik horn]

well im new here and just wanted to say that the x-wing
books are by far my absolute fav. and i would have to agree with those of you that said that SOA was the best of course (without corran that is.....lol)

[JediKeri.]

Awwww comeone Mirax. I like Corsec style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

[mirax terrik horn]

ok i meant that the books that have corran in them are the best and that SOA is the next best thing.

[Jors_Dedon]

I just finished Isard's Revenge. It was fairly satisfying, but I was disappointed. I begin SoA tonight.
Oh, yeah... does ANYBODY here besides me like Face?!

[RedMirax]

I love Face!!! He's a trip!!! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[mirax terrik horn]

next to corran face is definitly the best. next comes wes then hobbie.

[Rogue_0009]

<span style="color:silver">Face is cool.</span>

[mirax terrik horn]

if you think of it logicaly (sp) face is actually better than corran, i mean think about it. corran yah hes a jedi but not all that powerful of a jedi (hes no kyp durron) ,but face he is an actor and he is part of the elite wraith squadron. and if you really want to get deep into it you will take into account what happened to corran in the NJO i mean come on.

[mirax terrik horn]

hopefully that will get a couple of ppl talking or yelling whatever.

[Clara]

<span style="color:7000CC">Why?

Corran is my fave X-Wing character, then Wes, then Tycho, then... eek! Can't think of his name. Starts with K and is in the Wraith's.

So, which characters from X-Wing, apart from Corran and Wedge, turn up in NJO?</span>

[RedMirax]

Are you talking about Kell, Clara?


Just look at my signature...... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

Wedge still has to be the #1 pilot.... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[mirax terrik horn]

((((((spoiler))))))




almost all of wraith squadron and some of the rogue squadron.wait scratch that pretty much all of rogue and only some of wraith squadron.

[mirax terrik horn]

so what is everyones fav x-wing book

[xagete]

I liked Starfighters of Adumar best, but I also really liked Solo Command.

[mirax terrik horn]

<span style="font-size:24pt;line-height:100%"><span style="font-family:courier"><span style="color:limegreen">i like soa and solo command too but my fav is the bacta war</span></span></span>

[xagete]

That one was okay, I guess, but I didn't like it as much as the other books. It was good, just not as good as the other books, but that is just my opinion.

[mirax terrik horn]

well the only reason it is my fav is b/c mirax and corran really hook up in that book and corran gets in trouble with booster about the whole do you know who this is thing

[xagete]

Oh, that is right. I'd forgotten about that part. That was funny, wasn't it? Okay, okay, it can be as good as the rest of them. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[Whisper]

Corran, Wedge, Tycho, Wes, Gavin from Rogue are in NJO.

Kell, Face, and Piggy from Wraiths, with Tyria being mentioned.

As for the best X-Wing.

All are good. My Fave depends on what the mood is.

IF I want a straight up military story, I'd go with Rogue Squadron. If I want hilarity, with the clearest story, I'd go with SOA.

The Krytos Trap is in certain ways the most 'unfun' book, but it's also a good insight into the Courts of the SW universe.

[Rogue_0009]

<span style="color:red">You forgot Elassar Targon, Master of the Universe, as well as Inyri Forge.</span>

[Exar D'an]

I'd have to go with Rogue Squadron.

[Clara]

<span style="color:7000CC">Kell, yes! That's his name.

Haven't read Iron Fist yet so I'll save my final judgement until I do. Til then though, SOA tops the list.

Now, which one was it where Wes was jumping on the bed while giving Myn Donos the lecture?</span>

[Exar D'an]

Are we only talking squadron's from the X-wing books or are we talking throught out the entire timeline?

[mirax terrik horn]

i think only squadrons from the x-wing book...... but i could be wrong.

[RedMirax]

I think that's Solo Command, Clara.

[mirax terrik horn]

ya mirax that is right it was in solo command.

[Exar D'an]

I agree with Redmirax that was in Solo command but, if we are going outside the x-wing books than I would say Twin Suns Squadron is the best IMO.

[xagete]

Well of course it is, Jaina leads it! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[Jors_Dedon]

Alright, SoA is my fave book, period. I can't understand why everyone likes Corran, though. He's not funny, he's not even a very powerful Jedi (except the vision thing that rocks), and he's a wuss. Everyone likes him 'cause he's a prettyboy. Face is probably one too... but at least he doesn't whine.
Okay, I am seriously going to be in deep s*** with all you guys because I'm screwing Corran.
My fave Rogue/Wraith boys would be:
Face
"The Darling One"
"The Diligent One"
and Phanon. Phanon's the only character that got me really mad when <font style='width=80%; filter:shadow(color=black)'>he died.</font>

[xagete]

I totally agree with you, Jors Dedon. I don't really like Corran that much either. And Phanon (sp) was my absolute favorite until they killed him! It made me so mad. Grrrr, oh well, now its Janson. He's cool too.

[Exar D'an]

I didn't think Corran was that bad. Although he realy wasn't that great a Jedi.

[Jors_Dedon]

I want a cloak like Janson's.

[Exar D'an]

Ok...

[JediKeri.]

I didn't think of Corran as a pretty boy. More like a straight arrow.

As for Janson's cloak...Space it... Keep the Ewok...style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

[Exar D'an]

I have to agree with Jedikeri, Corran's not really a preety boy.

[Clara]

<span style="color:7000CC">I'm reading SOA again at the moment and picking up on things I missed. I feel so sorry for Wedge being stuck with those three... strange... beings. You know, the the Darling one, the Doleful one, and the Dour one.

Now, why does everyone like Corran? Hmm? Well, firstly he has good word use. Secondly, he's loyal to his friends and wife (take a look at I, Jedi). He has unique Force powers. He has an interesting wit. He's smart... and the list goes on.

Then there's the added thing that the way he acts with Mirax is almost the exact same way Glorfindel acts with me. It's great!

I think I've made my point.</span>

[mirax terrik horn]

ok i agree with you completly clara and i would like to add he was in corsec and he completly dissed luke that took some courage there i am tellin u.

[RedMirax]

Corran is definitely not a pretty boy...he can take care of business!! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[mirax terrik horn]

oh yeah he is definitly NOT a pretty boy.

[xagete]

No, Corran is not a pretty boy, you are very right, uh, miraxs? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[mirax terrik horn]

LOL

[RedMirax]

:angel:

[Soontir Solo]

Corran is awesome. He should have gotten more time in Allstons books. He should have went along in place of Hobbie in Starfighters of Adumar too. He should have been promoted to a Major in Isards Revenge, he deserved it just as much as Hobbie and Janson. He was never given much credit in the X-Wing series. and that really sucked.

[xagete]

I agree, he didn't seem to do much in the books. It was kind of disappointing. But I don't think he should have taken Hobbie's place in SoA, but that's just me.

[mirax terrik horn]

ummm i think your wrong about the allston books b/c they were meant to start a new group of ppl. and the SOA thing hobbie was too much a part of the group that corran just wouldnt fit in that much.

[Soontir Solo]

I dont see why Corran wouldn't have fitted in. Corran had been with the squadron for years by then and was close friends with Wedge and Tycho. He got along fine with Janson, and face it, he was a better pilot than Hobbie was.

[RedMirax]

Yeah, but Hobbie was old school, Corran wasn't...

[Whisper]

Exactly...Hobbie is the RUN-DMC os the Rogues, where as Corran is the Eminem!!

Or something...

[Soontir Solo]

That is irrelevant to whether or not Corran or Hobbie should have went on the mission to Adumar. The only reason I can think of to leave Corran behind is that they wanted him to command Rogue Squadron while Tycho was gone.

[RedMirax]

Actually, it is relevant. That's why those particular four were chosen, I think. Allston wanted the "old" group together for this mission. They have been friends for a long time and know each other well. They can anticipate what the others think and do... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[Jors_Dedon]

Pretty Boy- (Derek International Dictionary 2003)
Someone who everyone likes because he is cute. Someone who's lines all try to glorify himself. A character that, when you strip away fancy dialogue and punch lines, has no real depth... and a dead dad to make you feel sorry for him. (ex. Corran Horn)
It doesn't matter if he can get things done... being able to accomplish things doesn't mean he's not a pretty boy.

[Soontir Solo]

Are you saying that Corran wasn't part of the old group RedMirax. He was there throughout the entire X-Wing series and was could have anticipated Wedge and the gang as easily as Hobbie could. Come on, he was with them for like 10 years at least before the events taking place at Adumar.

[xagete]

I don't think the story would have been as good with Corran there instead of Hobbie. And it doesn't really matter, does it? Because they aren't going to change the books just cause you or I don't really like them.

[Whisper]

Hobbie, Wes, Tycho, and Wedge wewre Rogue Squadron before Corran...years before. Those four were at Endor. Hobbie, Wes, and Wedge were at Hoth, and Wedge was at Yavin (Wes I think missed transport that was supposed tot ake him there...)

So, this was the OLD Schol Rogue Squadron. The one written about by Timothy Zahn in The Thrawn Trilogy.

Jors- You don't know Corran. If you did you'd know that he's never done anything to bring glory for himself. Calling it like that is saying all Luke is about was Glory as well.

[Jors_Dedon]

Originally posted by Whisper@Feb 17 2003, 06:20 PM
Jors- You don't know Corran. If you did you'd know that he's never done anything to bring glory for himself. Calling it like that is saying all Luke is about was Glory as well.
(sigh) I don't mean that he's self righteous. Sure, he risked a bunch of stuff for other people. I should've posted "that the author tries to make into some type of god." (and it's obviously working on you guys) Don't get me wrong... I'm not trying to bash Corran (well... not that much anyway.) But come on people, he's not an interesting character. Everything about him is like being around a dead carcass. Nothing fresh. Nothing new and innative. How many times do you read about someone in Star Wars who's:
1. Lost a dad.
2. Cries a lot about it
3. Feels sorry for himself
4. Whines alot
the answer to that is A WHOLE FRICKIN LOT! Janson, Tycho, Face... those are all fresh, new characters with backgrounds that aren't the usual "My father died so I followed his footsteps and saved the galaxy a bunch of times." The reason why Stackpole isn't as good an author like Zahn, Allston or Anderson is because he needs to think up new ideas, new stories, new plots, new backgrounds... etc. etc. Reading all the "Corran" books nearly put me to sleep! It's like reading the same novel over and over and over and over... (I hope you get my point)

[RedMirax]

Corran was part of the reformed Rogue Squadron, not an original member like the others... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[Soontir Solo]

All im saying is that I think Corran has always been a much more interesting character than Hobbie and that I think the book could have been better with him in it. It would have been great to read about Corran in some of the ground duels, he would have beat that one guy worse than Janson did, and Janson slaughtered him.

[Jors_Dedon]

nevermind... baleeted. sorry

[James T. Skywalker]

Tycho was at Hoth, but he was a gunner for one of the speeders during the battle.

That was to someone several posts up. If you want a full list of all the people in Rogue Squadron throughout the years, check out the Star Wars Timeline Gold Appendix file, which can be found at the website linked in my sig.

~JTS

[kopernikuz]

I gotta check these books out... I've recently read a couple of the Rogue Squadron graphic novels by Stackpole... pretty interesting...

[xagete]

They are great, you really should read them.

[Jors_Dedon]

Are the graphic novels the ones like "Blood and Honor?"

[Exar D'an]

The graphic novels were quit interesting, although I like the books more. You get more freedom of imagination...

[Soontir Solo]

very true Exar, i always prefer the books

[Exar D'an]

Imagination is always number 1, although graphics such as scematics of ships and such can be nice. I want the scematics of the new XJ3 X-Wings.

[mirax terrik horn]

that would definitly be cool exar.

[Exar D'an]

I also want full out scematics for the Super Star Destroyers and the Chiss Claw Craft. Scematics and Pictures for the Vong ships would also be nice. And a picture of the new paint scheme of the Millenium Falcon. It's like jet-black now, sweet.

[mirax terrik horn]

ummm the chiss claw craft would be pretty cool but that is about it. other than the vong world-ships seeing a schematic of that would be awesome.

[Exar D'an]

Very true. I would like to see a picture of Coruscant now. Altough it will sadden me I want to see it.

[Soontir Solo]

I want to see a picture of a Bothan Assault Cruiser and a Mediator Mon Calamari Star Cruiser. A worldship would be pretty cool. I would like to see what Ithor looks like, after the Vong used biological weapons on it.

[Exar D'an]

That would be nice.

[Clara]

<span style="color:7000CC">The pics are corny, but I think you might be interested.</span>

http://downtime.echostation.com/artfiles/w...o-swinsider.htm (http://downtime.echostation.com/artfiles/whoswho-swinsider.htm)

[Soontir Solo]

They are kind of corny Clara, but still pretty interesting.

[Exar D'an]

I agree with Soontir, corny but interesting. Thankx Clara.

[xagete]

The one of Wes Janson was terrible, I almost cried.

But it was cool to see them. Thanks, Clara.

[Jors_Dedon]

They are pretty... ummm... nevermind. Inyri Forge's pic is just an illistrated photo of Natalie Portman. Theives! :eek:

[mirax terrik horn]

yah well you think that is bad did you see the pic of corran that is horrible, absolutely horrible jiminy cricket. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wacko.gif

[Clara]

<span style="color:7000CC">The sad thing is that they're aparently from the Star Wars Insider. The pic of Corran is terrible, and I thought Face was meant to be good looking. The picture of Wes was rather interesting too. I spotted several mistakes. Still, here's a where I found them.</span>


http://downtime.echostation.com/

[Exar D'an]

They messed up on a few of them but as I said before still interesting.

[mirax terrik horn]

messed up on a few come on they messed up on all of them it is ridiculos(sp). style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/mad.gif

[xagete]

The one of Ashyr (sp) was scary. It didn't look at all like I had imagined her. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif

[Soontir Solo]

Thats the main one I noticed to Xagete. Aseyr (I hope I spelled that right) looked freaky.

[Clara]

<span style="color:7000CC">Also, Tycho is a blond, and they have him as a dark. So many mistakes...</span>

[Jors_Dedon]

This is supposed to be Janson. (Although this one will probably give me nightmares tonight as well.)
http://users3.ev1.net/~rfet/swchpics/wesjansn.jpg

[RedMirax]

Actually...that is the man who played the original Wes. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

I had my pic taken with him at Celebration II. He's super nice and sweet!!! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[Jors_Dedon]

So the guy who played Wes in the movies doesn't look like the Wes from the books? That's like saying Luke (from the books) doesn't look like Hamill.
I bet he is super nice... but not up there in the handsome department.

[RedMirax]

Well, Luke was more of a major character and Wes was a very minor character in the movie. In fact, I really only remember him being mentioned in ESB, I believe.


He really became more popular because of the X-Wing novels!! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[Clara]

<span style="color:7000CC">He's Star Wars' very own Peter Pan; the man who just won't grow up</span> style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

[Jors_Dedon]

except he is much, much, much, much,much, much, much, much,much, much, much, much,much, much, much, much,much, much, much, much,much, much, much, much,much, much, much, much,much, much, much, much,much, much, much, much,much, much, much, much,much, much, much, much,much, much, much, much,much, much, much, much,much, much, much, much,much, much, much, much,much, much, much, much,much, much, much, much,much, much, much, much,much, much, much, much,much, much, much, much,much, much, much, much,much, much, much, much,much, much, much, much,much, much, much, much,much, much, much, much,much, much, much, much,much, much, much, much,much, much, much, much,much, much, much, much,much, much, much, much,much, much, much, much,much, much, much, much,much, much, much, much,much, much, much, much, funnier style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

[Rogue_0009]

<span style="color:red">alright, he's funny, we get it.</span>

[Exar D'an]

For the love of the Force, Jors, we get he was funnier. Blasters!...

[Soontir Solo]

Jors definitely went overboard, i think we all agree on that

[Exar D'an]

Most defenitly.

[xagete]

It was funny, though.

[Soontir Solo]

I wish Wes could have been more developed in the X-Wing series before Starfighters of Adumar. The other novels deal with Wedge, Corran, and Wraith Squadron mainly.

[Jors_Dedon]

I was just making sure you guys got the point. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif It was only 115 "much"s.
I think Aaron Allston's favorite word is "honor." He said it enough times in SoA. "I want to honor the honor of my honorable family, by honoring you in this fight for honor." and I think Wedge's fave line is "Cut the chatter, Rogues." He said that enough times too. Party pooper.

[Clara]

<span style="color:7000CC">Has anyone else noticed that in the novels other then SOA, that when Wes appears, he's always getting shot down or hurt? I'm reading Solo Command, and it seems to be a reaccuring thing. It's annoying me.

Hmm. We should start an X-Wing round robin in the Theatre...</span>

[Soontir Solo]

Whatever happened to General Cracken? After Starfighters of Adumar I dont remember hearing about him in any other books.

[JediKeri.]

Wes and Hobbie are always getting hurt and shot up. But Wes has humor, while Hobbie is just dour...

[Soontir Solo]

Thats why I have always liked Corran more than Wes, and especially more than Hobbie. He is a better pilot than both of them and a much more interesting character. Im sorry about this but im a HUGE Corran Horn fan. He's probably my favorite member of Rogue Squadron, even more so than Wedge.

[Jors_Dedon]

hey, what was wedge's sister's name?

[mirax terrik horn]

ugh i can't remember all i can remeber is that she is married to baron fel.

[Jors_Dedon]

I think it was something with an S. I'm starting on my first X-Wing fanfic... so I was just wondering. I think she's gonna be in it... When did she "disappear" with Fel?

[RedMirax]

Syal is Wedge's sister

[mirax terrik horn]

hey jors that would be awesome what do u think it is going to be about?

[Jors_Dedon]

Originally posted by RedMirax@Feb 27 2003, 09:44 PM
Syal is Wedge's sister
Syal! That's it!!! Did she take Fel's last name or is it still Antilles? And does anyone know when she left with Soon Dawg?

[Jors_Dedon]

Originally posted by mirax terrik horn@Feb 27 2003, 10:07 PM
hey jors that would be awesome what do u think it is going to be about?
I'm not sure just yet... I stopped my last fanfic due to no audience. Maybe a short story (I don't know the meaning of those two words together)... but one thing is certain... Face is definately going to be in it.

[Rogue_0009]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Syal! That's it!!! Did she take Fel's last name or is it still Antilles? And does anyone know when she left with Soon Dawg? [/b][/quote]

<span style="color:red">She married him not long after the battle of Yavin, and I think she still goes by the name Wynssa Starflare.</span>

[Jors_Dedon]

Sweeeeeet. I thought she married him like way after. But Wynssa is her actor's name?

By the way, I started my fanfic last night. I only got about a paragraph done before I crashed, but I'll work on it again today.

[Soontir Solo]

I dont think she goes by her acting name anymore. Remember that she lives in the Unknown Regions now with the Chiss. More than likely she took the last name Fel. It just makes sense with her living with the traditional and honor bound Chiss. i cant wait for you story Jors.

[mirax terrik horn]

well jors when you have more than one chapter done i would like to read it.

[JediKeri.]

Syal Antilles Fel, I think. I could be wrong though.

[Jors_Dedon]

Okay, this is getting kinda confusing. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif I'm thinking of about the time right after the last wraiths book... Did Syal still act, or did she stop? I'm not really interested about waaaaay in the future like in the Hand of Thrawn trilogy. Plus... I need a character name. A good one for my main character. For all of you Targon fans, Elassar will be in this book, as well as the wraiths. I thought of "Kortan Tyg" but then I looked at it and was like "That's just Corran with a K and T" so I need a better name. He's a kinda serious character. Black hair, blue eyes, queit solemn attitude. Any suggestions?

[Jors_Dedon]

Plus, I'm glad to hear it's anticipated amongst you. Keep in mind I'm not Stackpole or Allston, but I'm trying my hardest to make it good. Look for it in a few days!

[RedMirax]

I think Wedge was still looking for her at that point, Jors. I'm not sure what name she was known by...

[mirax terrik horn]

ok i can give you a definit wedge was still looking for her in the wraith squadron books read the last 2 chapters of solo command and you will find out. and jors i will try and think of a name.

[Jors_Dedon]

I should probably let you know that this is not going to be the usual Wraith story... this is going to be some trippy story... but I'll try to make it humorous occasionally.
Hum (the main character's R2 unit) is going to be frickin awesome! I think so at least.

[Soontir Solo]

She was acting after the Wraith books. She went to the Unknown Regions with Baron Fel before the X-Wing series. So I doubt a story about her after the Wraith books will be very effective. Unless you want her acting out for the Chiss or someother alien species in the Unknown Regions.

[Soontir Solo]

Sorry about my first sentence up there. I meant to say she WASN'T acting after the Wraith Books. It was just a typo.

[Clara]

<span style="color:7000CC">All I know is that Wedge was searching for Fel and trying not to kill him cause he wanted to know where his sisiter was. All I have to say about the Fel's, is; screw Jag (in a not nice way).

I've just finished Solo Command again. One of my fave bits in that one would have to be where Kettch got loose and Wes helps Wedge to catch him... well, that's what he thought, anyway.</span> style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/cool.gif

[xagete]

^Thats one of my favorite parts in all of the x-wing books, actually. I think I didn't stop laughing all day after the first time I read it.

[RedMirax]

Nice rear lieutenant!! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

[Jors_Dedon]

Wraith Squadron: (no title yet) is now 8 pages long. I would put it up, but I still am trying to think of a name.

[Soontir Solo]

Why do you dislike Jag Clara? I happen to like his character alot. I think he is the perfect pilot. He is the heir to the Antilles and Fel legend. I wish Baron Fel would have been around until the beginning of the X-Wing Series. Like he could have been captured in one of the first two books instead.

[Jors_Dedon]

My Wraith fanfic is now up. I made up a name (finally).
Click Me! Click Me! (http://www.galacticsenate.com/index.php?act=ST&f=11&t=3839)

[Clara]

Originally posted by Soontir Solo@Mar 5 2003, 02:24 AM
Why do you dislike Jag Clara?
<span style="color:7000CC">I don't like him because he is, well, boring. He was raised by the Chiss and it can tell; the man just hasn't got any personality.

I'm reading Isard's Revenge again at the moment, catching up on some 'Corran' time. I'm thinking of starting an X-wing story like that of SOA, but instead of 4 pilots, I'm sending in 6; Wedge, Wes, Hobbie, Tycho, Corran, and Luke. Fun fun fun!</span>

[cartographer]

There is a mention of a Wraith mission in Tatooine Ghost. I'd love to see it turned into a book or at least a short story!

[Soontir Solo]

That sounds great Cartographer, I cant wait till I get the book, Does it mention the Rogues or anything?

[xagete]

I had on the calendar all the days star wars books were coming out, and the day finally comes that Tatooine Ghost comes out, and I have no money! And I still have no money. And my library is closing for a whole month to remodle, so I have no hope there either. I have a hard life. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif

[cartographer]

I don't recall any mention of the Rogues. Just a few mentions of a Wraith mission to Askaj that was going to be affected by Han & Leia's mission.

[Soontir Solo]

Cool, I won't be able to get it till Monday, this sucks.

[xagete]

Be happy, Monday is a lot sooner than I will be able to get it. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif

[Soontir Solo]

Yah, Monday isn't too bad I guess. But I was hoping to get it Saturday.

[Darlirus Xe Anison]

From news at the office, the Rogues are to play a massive role in the last installment to the NJO series, an end all to end all. But no mention of the Wraiths as of yet.

[Clara]

<span style="color:7000CC">I guess it was coming. How can you end something with a bang without the Rogues? Come on, Death Star, Hoth, Death Star II, Bakura.... and the list goes on and on and on. Lets hope Gavin and his boys win the day.</span> style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/hehe.gif

[Soontir Solo]

I imagine many of the elite squadrons will play major roles at the end of NJO, Rogue, Twin Suns, Jag's Squadron, Kyps Dozen, etc.

Does anybody know for sure who the Rogue Squadron commander is in the NJO right now. Destiny's Way made it seem like Corran was commanding Rogue Squadron, but before that it was Gavin. I think Corran should be in command. I hope he stays in command, that or he leaves to form an all Jedi squadron.

[xagete]

I hope its not Corran. I like him okay, but I like Gavin a whole lot better. And I don't think Corran is the type to go off and form a jedi squadron. It could happen though.

[Marbleman]

does anyone know what the specs are on the Chiss clawcraft according to the njo. they always sounded like cool ships, but how do they compare to an x-j wing, etc.

[Soontir Solo]

The Chiss Clawcraft is faster and more manueverable than the XJ 3 X-Wings. It has 4 laser cannons and carries proton torpedoes like the XJ. It has an equal amount of shields.

It is a cross between an X-Wing and a Tie Interceptor.....Very deadly. Im pretty sure that it was probably Grand Admiral Thrawn that designed this fighter.

[Soontir Solo]

Oh yeah I forgot

I really hope Corran is in command, he deserves it. He led 3 Flight in Rogue Squadron for over 15 years. He is a better pilot than Gavin is, plus he is a Jedi Master, which is always a bonus. I wish Corran was on the new Jedi Council. He should be.

If he can't have Rogue than he should definitely command a new Jedi squadron.

[xagete]

This was at the bottom of the second page!!! I can't believe we forgot about it for so long. :0

[JediKeri.]

I just re-read DW, and there is no mention whatsoever of Corran being in command of Rogue Squadron. I'm pretty sure that Gavin is in command, and that Corran is helping train rookies, and lending his Jedi expertise.

[Jango]

I havent.

[Master_MJade]

Corran is an officer in Rouge squadron. He falls under Gavin's command.

[JediKeri.]

Yup, he's still a Colonel.

[Master_MJade]

yeah his rank that i think he recieved in Ruin

[Mara1Jade]

Corran is a babe and Stackpole is one of the Star Wars gods. Aside from the books written by Zahn (books which gave us my namesake), the Stackpole books are some of the absolute best. And hey, Stackpole gave us Corran. I wish he and Zahn would make their returns.

Allston is cool too and has some great comedy and good dialogue, but I think the thing I miss with him is some of the personal character development. Stackpole gives you "the star wars universe according to Corran," a character whom he develops to the max, which I find cool. Allston gives you snippets of many different characters.

One isn't necessarily any better than the other...

...but it's a preference thing.

[Cæsar Iaius I]

Originally posted by Soontir Solo@Mar 14 2003, 03:35 AM
The Chiss Clawcraft is faster and more manueverable than the XJ 3 X-Wings. It has 4 laser cannons and carries proton torpedoes like the XJ. It has an equal amount of shields.

It is a cross between an X-Wing and a Tie Interceptor.....Very deadly. Im pretty sure that it was probably Grand Admiral Thrawn that designed this fighter.
Patently false. Grand Admiral Thrawn, despite his assistance in producing the Cygnus XM-1 Missile Boat, was not a designer of advanced space superiority fighters. There is absolutely no indication that the Grand Admiral had anything to do with the Clawcraft at all.

Consider the chronology, for a moment. Grand Admiral Thrawn left Nirauan approximately four years after the Battle of Endor. At that moment, the most advanced starfighter in the galaxy would (arguably) have been either the XM-1 or Sienar's TIE Defender. The Chiss themselves had not developed any advanced spaceworks, nor could they match Imperial specifications with their own meager production facilities. The Chiss Clawcraft first appeared in the Hand of Thrawn approximately two years after the armistice between the Rebellion and the remnants of the Empire (ref. "Red Sky, Blue Flame"). It is impossible that Thrawn had any influence on the development of the craft, whatsoever.

[Rogue_0009]

<span style="color:red">Ahh, a precausious one, I would like to point out thta one appeared in the HOT duology and that it is entirely possible that the craft was designed well before that point</span>

[Cæsar Iaius I]

Originally posted by Rogue_0009@Apr 4 2003, 08:25 PM
<span style="color:red">Ahh, a precausious one, I would like to point out thta one appeared in the HOT duology and that it is entirely possible that the craft was designed well before that point</span>
Patently false. The craft in HoT is completely seperate from the Clawcraft.

[Rogue_0009]

<span style="color:red">If you'll recall Luke did notice a ship with 'a TIE cockpit and four s-foils reaching out from it like a fist', sounds like a Clawcraft to me.</span>

[Master_MJade]

yeah rogue_0009 is right... the description fits the clawcraft discriotion...however i don't believe it is the clawcraft as we know it, it's an earlier type

[JediKeri.]

A prototype maybe?

[Cæsar Iaius I]

Originally posted by Rogue_0009@Apr 6 2003, 05:48 PM
<span style="color:red">If you'll recall Luke did notice a ship with 'a TIE cockpit and four s-foils reaching out from it like a fist', sounds like a Clawcraft to me.</span>
Not so. There were other design differences that make it of a completely seperate design.

Would one suggest that any craft with a TIE cockpit and two pilons would automatically be considered a TIE Fighter, regardless of other features?

In any case, canonical evidence trumps all others. As per "Red Sky, Blue Flame" by Eliane Cunningham, the Chiss Clawcraft was designed shortly after the armistice between the Galactic Empire and the Rebellion. It is impossible that this craft could have been of the same class as the one in HoT.

[Rogue_0009]

<span style="color:red">Upon research I do beleive I stand corrected. But then what in all nine Corellian hells was the thing in HoT??</span>

[Clara]

<span style="color:7000CC">Their own creation maybe. Spending all that tme abondoned on a planet, you need to do something to keep you busy. Also, the craft in HoT could hold two people plus a droid.</span>

[Soontir Solo]

The Chiss fighter in the HOT duology was simply the predecessor to the clawcraft. We know it wasn't a clawcraft for previously stated reasons. I wonder what the exact names of those ships were though, and if the Chiss still use them.

[Cæsar Iaius I]

One cannot simply assert that it is the predecessor. Whilst it is a precursor, the term predecessor implies a direction relation--which cannot be established due to the facts at hand.

Though it is likely that the two are indeed related, it its improper to suggest they are without adequate proof.

[Soontir Solo]

Fine...................Its probably its predecessor, in my oppinion of course.

[Brian]

About half way done with Rogue Squadron. I don't get it. I'm not blown away. Guess I'll keep reading...

[bluemilk]

^definitly keep reading style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif I actually started Rogue Squadron twice before I finished it. You'll be glad you did because the series gets much better especially the Wraith Squadron novels.

Rogue Squadron at times can bog you down with technical information on the XWings and battles tatics but it really does a nice job of setting up the rest of the story.

[Brian]

Originally posted by bluemilk@Jul 14 2003, 03:40 PM
Rogue Squadron at times can bog you down with technical information on the XWings and battles tatics but it really does a nice job of setting up the rest of the story.
That's what I'm counting on.

[JediKeri.]

Hehe, I started reading the X-wing novels with Kryto's trap...

[mirax terrik horn]

i started with wedge's gamble. but then went back and read rogue squadron b/c i didn't understand anything.

[Clara]

<span style="color:7000CC">I've read them all now that I have Iron Fist. And I must say, they're the best thing that happened to EU.</span>

[CzulkangLah]

I've read all 9 of them at least 2 times each. The only books I like more are the Thrawn trilogy and duology.

[Gavin Darklighter]

Originally posted by CzulkangLah@Jul 19 2003, 10:21 AM
I've read all 9 of them at least 2 times each. The only books I like more are the Thrawn trilogy and duology.
I think that the X-Wing Novels are the best.

And Czulkang, what duology are you talking about?

[bluemilk]

^I believe he means "Spectre of the Past" and "Vision of the Future" , the two novels that end the post ROTJ EU before the NJO series