Luke Going To Tattooine

[Jedi_Mongoose]

IS THIS A POSSIBLE PLOT HOLE!!!

I would like to point out.. Why didnt Obi just keep luke and train him from birth. Is this a loophole in the story. I mean train him from 18 years old (hmm episode one the boy is to old) or train him from birth.. I just dont get it why didnt he even stay with yoda and have yoda train him from birth.. anyways I know it makes a good story a nobody farmboy saves the galaxy.. But lets be realistic.. Anikan had 10 years of training before he gets to episode II. and then another 20 years plus before a new hope. HMM LUKE TWO YEARS AND HE BECOMES STRONGER (beeting vader in ROTJ) Does not make sense. Unless luke is the stronger force user. I mean if anybody should be able to beat Vader and the Emperor it could be Luke trained from birth by YODA.. Not OBI for 1 week before vader kills him then goes to yoda for what looks like a couple of months maybe a year. And wow he is ready to take on Vader ( the chosen one) and the Emperor.

[Master Cephus]

This goes along the lines of Luke being the son. I don't think in ROTJ that Vader wanted Luke dead. Personally (remember what I just typed) I think that Yoda and Obi-Wan both realize that maybe training people from birth takes away what a jedi really is. To me, bringing balance to the force is being able to have emotions and becoming one with the force. I think that either they thought hope was lost and that Luke and Leia didn't deserve to die or that Obi-Wan was simply waiting for the perfect time to train someone. After they realize feelings and such...like I said that is what I think personally. I know some people here will dispute this but it is in all good fun style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

Just My .02 Cents (beau@hiwaay.net)

[Lord Laviathan]

This is a very good point you make Jedi Mongoose, I have thought about this same fact before that from ANH and ROTJ luke has only been studying the force for 4 years, in which only a few months of that were spent in deeptraining. But maybe because their so similar Vader and Luke that is, thats why thier so powerful. And i believe too that of course Vader didnt want luke dead in either of thier meetings Luke would have died at the hands of the Emperor, had it not been for his Father. And finally we must remember that in ESB Vader was only trying to turn his son to the darkside, in ROTJ Luke fueled with anger beat vader but the downside he was almost turned then. so whatever the Answer may be maybe it should be addressesd in the UE in 2006.

[Sarakin]

If Yoda or Obi had trained either of Anakin's children from birth it would have attracted the attention of either Vader or the Emperor since the force is something that can be felt (esp. when in use). Luke was at a perfect age to train under the circumstances. Young enough to be receptive to training but old enough to take care of himself and understand the importance of what he needed to do. Plus since Luke's purpose was to defeat Vader and time was of the essence he could be given a crash course.

[NIGHTTRAVELER]

The "too older to begin the training" statement made sense in the OT because we didn't have any backstory to look at. Now that the prequels have come around, it sure does look odd that Obi-wan would sit around for 17-18 years, when he, or Yoda, could have been training Luke.

Look at the look on Obi-wans face in ANH when he gets the message from Leia. He looks like hes gonna puke. Kinda like "Here we go!!" I always took that (of course after seeing all three of the OT) that Obi-wan was waiting for a "sign".

Now after seeing I and II in the PT, we may also get an explaination base on Qui-gons "living force" statements.


As far as the mirroring of the OT, in the OT the Emperor tells Vader that Luke would seek him out. Mirroring that, Yoda could tell Obi-wan that the twins will seek him out........ "I have forseen it"

We'll see...............

[Jedi_Mongoose]

Sarakin are you suggesting in 20years neither obi or yoda used the force. so there is no detection by vader. I cant belive that in my thoughts. And If yoda the most powerful jedi can hide on a planet why cant he bring a little old boy too.

And Lord Lavaithan. I can say ok that vader never wanted to kill luke in either of those meetings but. come on the emperor.. Yoda must know if he kills vader he then must face the emperor. So still he must be prepared. A 4 year jedi should not be able to kill a 40 year trained sith lord.. I think that good old George never thought it out so well. And the audacity of Yoda saying there is another (leia) how they going to train her when they are both dead. so you can train someone to become a mighty jedi when dead.. Again another plot hole.. atleast luke was trainded bye a living jedi..

[Jedi D'oh]

I think someone has too much time on their hands. The point is really simple. Luke was the child of the chosen one. The force came naturally to him. In the times that Luke trained to be a jedi, timing was of the essence. They needed to give a crash course and hope for the best. It was all they could do.

[MegoHulk]

Perhaps when they left him with Owen they thought they'd be able to go back and train him when he was old enough but Owen wouldn't let them. And Ben couldn't really just go in and kill Owen and take Luke away could he? So Ben sat and waited for a sign that Luke was ready. And it known that like Anakin, Luke raced in the desert and had 'natural" force abilities although he wasn't actually controlling the force yet. So it's not hard to imagine Luke jumping right in to Jedi training and being a natural at it.

[bullumhead]

Originally posted by Jedi D'oh@Nov 25 2002, 04:41 PM
I think someone has too much time on their hands.
that would be me!

Why didnt Obi just keep luke and train him from birth?
let's remember that these are people's live's here. it wasn't up to the jedi to decide the fate of luke & leia. they're living beings, not some tools to be used for the sole purpose of overthrowing the emperor. remember when qui-gon recruited anakin...it was up to anakin whether or not he came with. and he was the chosen one.

And Ben couldn't really just go in and kill Owen and take Luke away could he?
excellent point. luke was entrusted to owen...and it was owen's opinion that luke should stay out of it. everyone's entitled to their own opinion, and his was that there's more important things than being a jedi. ben had to respect that decision.

and remember, even when ben asked luke to come with him to alderaan and luke said no, ben was prepared to accept that decision. luckily fate intervened and luke ended up coming with, but remember that it was never up to ben or yoda what ended up happening to the twins.

let's also remember that this story has changed dramatically over the years. this not all the result of some blueprint that GL laid out back in 75'. so there are bound to be loopholes aplenty since this story has eveolved quite a bit since the original first hit the screen.