Ben Not Knowing About Leia [Archive]

StarWarsFan1

11-20-2002, 01:47 AM

I just got done watchin esb for the well lots of times but when he says that boy is our last hope then yoda says not there is another. Does this mean that he did not know about leia and just luke and did yoda make sure that leia was safe not ben? Question comments

MegoHulk

11-20-2002, 02:49 AM

This may have been covered in other threads but personally I think it just meant that Obi Wan didn't really consider Leia to be of any use like Luke was. I can't imagine Obi Wan not knowing about Leia. Some people have other opinions on this though.

Momin327

11-20-2002, 04:41 PM

I believe Obi Wan knew about Leia. It's just he didn't have much faith in Leia's abilities to defeat Vader.

Jacen Solo

11-21-2002, 02:59 PM

Yes ... and he couldn't say anything about her around Luke until it was the right time.

NIGHTTRAVELER

11-21-2002, 03:26 PM

I have to disagree.

I don't think he did know about Leia. I think that we will see in Episode II that Luke will be born first, and immediately handed off to Obi-wan to take into hiding. Much to everyones suprise, Leia will be born, after Obi-wan leaves. He stays on Tatooine until ANH, having no knowledge that Luke was the first of twins.

I think ESB implies that after Luke leaves, Yoda fills in Obi-wan.

NIGHTTRAVELER

11-21-2002, 03:27 PM

Ep. III, sorry................

Jedi D'oh

11-21-2002, 03:54 PM

I've always thought it like that myself, NIGHTTRAVELER.

Obi-Stu

11-22-2002, 03:44 AM

I always thought that Ben never new about Leia, but after
reading the ROTJ novel, I'm not sure anymore. I just hope that Ep III can will clear this up.

nerfer

11-29-2002, 11:17 PM

If you read Leia's bio on the official site it says that she was taken to Alderaan by Obi Wan when she was just a buby.

Justin

11-30-2002, 02:40 PM

I am absolutely positive that Obi-Wan new about Leia. I don't know how he wouldn't, or why it would be kept from him.

Yoda was just reminding him about Leia in that scene in ESB.

The Prism

11-30-2002, 03:32 PM

Originally posted by nerfer@Nov 29 2002, 10:17 PM

If you read Leia's bio on the official site it says that she was taken to Alderaan by Obi Wan when she was just a buby.

This can't be right! Leia needs live with her mother until she's at least 4 or 5 in order for her to have the memories of her mother that she has in ROTJ! Therefore, Leia will have to stay with her mother at the end of Ep. III

Lord Laviathan

11-30-2002, 03:47 PM

Obi-Wan did know about her, he didnt consider her a hope though or think she would be powerful enough to do anything.

RollaFett

11-30-2002, 08:19 PM

Hmmm...it would seem to me that he didn't know about her. That's how I always envisioned it, anyway. I always assumed that he took Luke to Tatooine and never even saw Leia. Yoda fills him in on Dagaboh. I mean, if he knew, why wouldn't he tell Luke about it? Sure, he died, but there was ample opportunity to communicate through the force, right?

StarWarsFan1

11-30-2002, 09:34 PM

Originally posted by GollaFett@Nov 30 2002, 07:19 PM
Hmmm...it would seem to me that he didn't know about her. That's how I always envisioned it, anyway. I always assumed that he took Luke to Tatooine and never even saw Leia. Yoda fills him in on Dagaboh. I mean, if he knew, why wouldn't he tell Luke about it? Sure, he died, but there was ample opportunity to communicate through the force, right?
yea me 2 that is what I thought, then y would yoda say that

RollaFett

12-01-2002, 12:33 AM

Well, we're talking about whether or not Ben knew about it, not Yoda. Obviously Yoda knew, hell, he was the only one to mention it in ESB, remember? Or, do you mean why wouldn't Yoda have told Obi Wan through the force if he knew? Now, that is an interesting question.

DblDwn

12-01-2002, 02:30 PM

I agree that Obi-Wan did not know about Leia. To assume that Obi-Wan did know of her but thought that she was not capable of defeating the Empire is to say that Obi-Wan was a sexist. Especially after seeing how strong a leader Padme is in the PT, plus the fact that she is quite the cunning warrior, should prove to Obi-Wan that a woman can accomplish the task in question.

Justin

12-01-2002, 07:40 PM

Obi-Wan knew about Leia, and Yoda just reminded him about her. When he told Luke about her, he said it like he had always known.

As for Ben being something of a sexst, perhaps that's true. Who knows.

Or think of this...what if Padme tells Obi-Wan that he can train Luke, but to leave Leia?

nerfer

12-01-2002, 08:12 PM

This can't be right! Leia needs live with her mother until she's at least 4 or 5 in order for her to have the memories of her mother that she has in ROTJ! Therefore, Leia will have to stay with her mother at the end of Ep. III

This is the link to Leia's bio at TOS. If you read it, you'll see that is says Leia and her MOTHER, were taken to Alderaan, by Obi Wan! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif 

Leia's bio (http://www.starwars.com/databank/character/leiaorganasolo/index.html)

Obidobi

12-01-2002, 08:36 PM

Maybe she wasn´t born yet when OB1 took them to Alderaan!?
The bio doesn´t say anything about that!

The Prism

12-02-2002, 01:38 PM

Originally posted by nerfer@Dec 1 2002, 07:12 PM
This can't be right! Leia needs live with her mother until she's at least 4 or 5 in order for her to have the memories of her mother that she has in ROTJ! Therefore, Leia will have to stay with her mother at the end of Ep. III

This is the link to Leia's bio at TOS. If you read it, you'll see that is says Leia and her MOTHER, were taken to Alderaan, by Obi Wan! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif 

Leia's bio (http://www.starwars.com/databank/character/leiaorganasolo/index.html)
Well you didn't say that! You just said Leia. You confused me. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

nerfer

12-03-2002, 11:48 AM

Yea I realised that once I saw your post in response, so thats why I posted again. With added details. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif Thats true Obidobi and in a way would make sense. Mebbe Leia was never taken to Alderaan with the intention of her being adopted. Bail is sposed to be a good friend of Padme's mebbe the case was he was helping out an old friend and once they were born on Alderaan, then the decision was made.

After all it actually makes it kinda easier to protect Padme if she's pregnant. Thats just one person.(In the sense only one is physically there if you get what I mean.) But if they are born before they get to Alderaan, then Obi Wan has to deal with Padme and two bubies. Which is a lot harder to conceal considering how noisy theycan be! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

Brian

12-03-2002, 03:16 PM

Originally posted by DblDwn@Dec 1 2002, 01:30 PM
To assume that Obi-Wan did know of her but thought that she was not capable of defeating the Empire is to say that Obi-Wan was a sexist. Especially after seeing how strong a leader Padme is in the PT, plus the fact that she is quite the cunning warrior, should prove to Obi-Wan that a woman can accomplish the task in question.
Obi-Wan could possibly blame Padme for Anakin's demise for secretly marrying him under the Jedi's noses. He may have a natural disdain for women after that. Further, we don't know when in Episode III that Obi-Wan discovers that his apprentice is married to Padme. If it happens early, then this situation is potentially discredited, but if it happens late in the movie, who knows. This is probably not the case, but it popped into my head after reading your post.

~OBG

Brian

12-03-2002, 03:20 PM

Originally posted by Justin@Dec 1 2002, 06:40 PM
Or think of this...what if Padme tells Obi-Wan that he can train Luke, but to leave Leia?
Ah, yes. Perhaps Padme (on her death bed?) makes Obi-Wan promise to never train Leia to be a Jedi, only Luke. Maybe she wanted Leia to be the driving force to restoring the Republic once Luke and the Jedi restore peace. Again, probably not the case, but it popped into my head.

~OBG

RollaFett

12-03-2002, 10:49 PM

Interesting...very interesting.

As far as the whole 'Obi-Wan being a sexist' theory goes, well, that's utter rubbish! Remember, he served with other female Jedi! He grew up in the Jedi order, I highly doubt he learned any sexist tendancies!

DblDwn

12-03-2002, 11:44 PM

Exactly my point.

Brian

12-04-2002, 01:45 PM

Originally posted by GollaFett@Dec 3 2002, 09:49 PM
As far as the whole 'Obi-Wan being a sexist' theory goes, well, that's utter rubbish! Remember, he served with other female Jedi! He grew up in the Jedi order, I highly doubt he learned any sexist tendancies!
I know, I was just trying to make pointless speculation. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

jadesaber86

01-30-2004, 02:51 PM

i think he didnt want leia to be trained cause she was a senator, and we all know how he feels about polititians, how he talked about them in Ep2, maybe he didnt trust her not to get greedy with power.

Whitesaber

01-30-2004, 02:54 PM

Here's my opinion: Obi-wan knew about Leia. He just assumed that Luke was more gifted since Luke had a great tune to the Force. He was aware of Leia, but didn't think she could do anything to stop Vader and the Emperor. However, Yoda was wiser and knew that even thought Leia wasn't powerful enough to take on Vader, she was close enough to Luke to strengthen him and keep him on the path of the light side. Remember, when Vader mentioned Leia during the duel, Luke lashed out and defeated Vader, but after which he turned off his weapon and threw it away.