The Darkside Is Stronger

[Frendon]

If you have heard the Audio Commentary On The AOTC DVD, during shmi's funeral, George Lucas explains how the dark side IS stronger!!!, this is totally different from what was preached by Yoda in ESB, "No!! not stronger, faster, easier" (not exact quote), what are your thoughts? why would GL change his mind? or is it that Yoda lied and the dark side is in fact stronger?

[Jedi D'oh]

I don't think GL changed his mind. I think Yoda is right and wrong. The Dark Side has no more POWER than the Light Side because it's all the same FORCE.

But....in the sense of the Dark Side enveloping easier and is a quick path to take, the ALLURE of the Dark Side is stronger.

Everyone has the capacity for evil, some are able to resist it. Anakin could not. For him the Dark Side was stronger. For Luke the Dark Side was pushing him, but he was able to overcome it.

[nerfer]

That or he simply meant that because of the unbalance the darkside is stronger at the moment.

[Frendon]

Thanks jedi doh' that is what i have always thought, the thing is that GL actually says: "To keep his attachments and his loved ones Anakin will have to go to the stronger side which IS the dark side of the force"
He should be more careful about that kind of comments, maybe explain that is quicker, but not that it is stronger.

[Frendon]

Originally posted by nerfer@Nov 18 2002, 04:37 PM


That or he simply meant that because of the unbalance the darkside is stronger at the moment.
That is a good explanation but what bugs me is that he wasn't that specific, his comment makes it look like the darkside is stronger overall.

[Darth Barrister]

I was baffled by the same comment, but came to the conclusion that the dark side "clouding" everything was stronger because there was an overall shift in that direction.

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[borgmatrix]

Originally posted by Darth Barrister@Nov 18 2002, 10:05 PM
I was baffled by the same comment, but came to the conclusion that the dark side "clouding" everything was stronger because there was an overall shift in that direction.
It's not that the Dark Side of the Force is stronger since, as someone mentioned above, the Force is the Force. It's all the same. It's just that the "dark siders" use more of it and hence are stronger. By nature, good individuals aren't going to be seeking and using power, where as evil or dark siders are all about power. Therefore, they have to be more powerful.

[Darth Barrister]

Very good point borg.

There is something about the use of the force generally, however, that just seems confusing.

At what point does the use of the force constitute using the darkside.

Example: Is anakin using the darkside when he rushes off impatiently to attack Dooku?

Is Luke when he is destroying Vader in ROTJ.

Where is the border between the two?

Any thoughts?

[SithWitch]

The Dark Side is stronger,
but the price is high!

We all delve and dabble in
the dark, but most of us
maintain balance.

The forces raging in Anakin,
however, prove unmanagable!!

[borgmatrix]

Originally posted by Darth Barrister@Nov 18 2002, 11:56 PM
At what point does the use of the force constitute using the darkside.
I would say 1.) when one's consciously drawing huge amounts of the force, and 2.) when anger is involved.

I suppose it's like when someone in a physical fight gains an adrenaline boost when angry. That's going to lead to increased strength. It sounds like it's the same way with the Force. Attacking in anger brings more power, and power is corrupting, leading down the dark side path.

[Darth Vegas]

GL did say on the commentary that the Dark Side is stronger, but he also said that it leads to certain downfall.

This is isn't a spoiler.

[Master Cephus]

This is isn't a spoiler.

you aren't a moderator.

No offense Bond, but every single thread I look at you are saying something to that affect. Just give it some time and I am sure one day you will be asked to be a mod. Sorry but I had to vent style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[Luvinna.]

Originally posted by Darth Barrister@Nov 18 2002, 04:56 PM
At what point does the use of the force constitute using the darkside.
Now, please don't anyone jump on me for this... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

In the book Vision of the Future, Luke makes a comment that if you're not using the Force for your own purposes and aggrandizement, then you're not using the dark side. Makes sense to me, along with what Borgmatrix said.

[Plo Koon]

Originally posted by SithWitch@Nov 18 2002, 08:44 PM
The Dark Side is stronger,
but the price is high!

We all delve and dabble in
the dark, but most of us
maintain balance.

The forces raging in Anakin,
however, prove unmanagable!!
You've got issues. The light side and the dark side have the same strength as Jedi Do'h said.

[RollaFett]

GL did actuallty say this, I suggest we try and believe it. I do.

[Luvinna.]

Yes, but it was a rather vague statement. (Or maybe I just need to go listen to it again.) Was he saying that the dark side itself if stronger? Or that the temptation to use the dark side is stronger? From what I remember being said, it could be taken either way.

[Darth Vegas]

No what he said was that the Dark Side is more powerful, but the temptation to grow in power, ultimately leads to your downfall.

[Swamprat_Jedi_Knight]

I think that perhaps Lucas said they were stronger because they always have the upper hand, whether it be in training, secrecy, or owning the entire galaxy. Whatever the case may be.

The Dark Side feeds on anger, and we know that the Sith have plenty of that, maybe that "limitless" energy source makes them "stronger". A Jedi has to work harder to keep his level of strength in the Force, whereas the Sith just draw on their anger.

Even though it is harder to be a Jedi, and easier to be a Sith, in the end when the Jedi is dead he can't say," Well that isn't fair I trained harder and longer."

All philosophical points of view go out the window when a Jedi and Sith are engaged in combat. The one with superior swordsmanship and raw Force power walks away alive, whether it be light or dark. My point here is that Sith aren't weighed down by moral and personal convictions of how to use the Force. Jedi believe it is wrong to use the Force to harm other living things, while the Sith will use any means necessary, Force or otherwise, to destroy their opponent. Therefore the Sith have a bigger arsenal in combat. When it comes down to fighting and all the Jedi are dead because of their restraints on themselves, no matter how good and right they are, the Sith come out the victors. In that sense I would consider the Sith "stronger". In reality we all know that good would always overcome evil, so the Jedi will end up winning. Especially in movies.
I hope that makes sense, my brain isn’t working today.

[Handothrawn]

The dark side is stronger, for one reason only, it's stronger because it's natural.

[mtilden]

I think that you guys are misunderstanding something here. When Lucas says that 'the Dark Side is stronger' he means it in reference to what powers you can have. With the power of the Dark Side, one can do almost anything. This is because, it is easier to do things when you aren't worried about the morality of your actions. For example, a cheater is in a sense 'more powerful' than an honest student. If you want to get an A on a test, the cheater can always do this simply by cheating. But the honest student cannot always get an A, because he is limiting his freedom to act. So, the Dark Side is stronger in that sense. The Jedi can't (for example) 'keep people from dying' (which is what Anaking wants to do) because they aren't restricted by concerns about morality. But the Dark Side can accomplish this easily.

However, when Yoda said that the Dark Side is not stronger, he meant it in a different context. Luke's question was more about whether it was possible to defeat and resist the Dark Side. Remember the context of their conversation Yoda warned him ' Beware anger, fear, aggression, the Dark Side are they. If once you start down the dark path, forever will dominate your destiny, consume you it will, like it did Obi Wan's apprentice' This is when Luke asks 'is the Dark Side stronger?' which I take to mean "is it just impossible to defeat or resist the Dark Side?" to which Yoda reassures him that no, the Dark Side can be defeated, and resissted successfully, provided one recognizes it deceits. So, there is no contradiction here.

[Lord Laviathan]

Well in my opinion the darkside is for the more power and arrogant thats whats appealing about it. A jedi serves and does not crave power or possesion, and a jedi shows compasion and will think what is in the best intrest of the many other than their own intrest. The darkside is more powerful in that you show no compasion or remorse for your actions, when you do what is in the intrest of your own personal gain without regard for others or even how you obtain is a force to be reckon with. And with the more power you obtain the more desire you have for more and more. Thus making in many ways the darkside more POWERFUL.