The Padmé Amidala Thread [Archive]

Martini

10-01-2002, 11:32 AM

that doesnt mean anything? she could die in the first 30 mins of EP3.

oh and you are soooo smart bond.......your such a little boy. COURSE SHE GOT PAID MORE!!! this is her F**KIN second SW film. hayden has only done one! ARGH! and i bet they had about equal film time on AOTC. ok so one might have a minute or two more, so what. and i cant believe you know this......scary

and she will die. cuase the audience wants to see it and HAS to see it. it would be sooo LAME to have it offscreen. oh wait wait, i got a good idea.......why not just have the birth off screen too? yea right. thats just how stupid your talking now about this. but thats just my opinion anyway, as you would say

Master Cephus

10-01-2002, 11:55 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>thats just how stupid your talking now about this. but thats just my opinion anyway, as you would say [/b][/quote]

Man you are always what's the term "hating". Chill down. If you have a valid point or opinion, you don't have to belittle others to get it across.

Just My .02 Cents (beau@hiwaay.net)

missstanleigh

10-15-2002, 10:40 PM

I think the old Naboo decoy trick will come into play. Either the decoy or the real Padme will die in EpIII. Leia may just remember the decoy. Anakin is so crazy about Padme that there is no way that she could be on Alderan without him trying to find her. If he could tell his mother was in pain on another planet I think he's probably going to be just as atuned to his wife.

Javen

10-15-2002, 10:43 PM

She won't die in EPIII because she still has many changes of clothes she has yet to wear, style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

stazittocagna

10-16-2002, 09:32 PM

She's not going to die, due to the fact that Leia remembers her when she was very young. Do you remember anything when you were 2 months old? Probably not. She does not die.

stazittocagna

10-16-2002, 09:33 PM

Unless the children have been born in between episode 2 and 3 and it's a year or two after.

Master Cephus

10-17-2002, 12:36 AM

I don't think her being higher in the credits has anything at all to do with it. The reason her name is higher is that she is the biggest named star in the film that has a lead character. Notice I said lead character. I know SLJ is a bigger actor, but he has a supporting part.
Back to topic, I think that she will die or that Ani will think she has died pretty early. I mean her dying to me is the only reason for him to flip out and go the thd DS.

Just My .02 Cents (beau@hiwaay.net)

Jedi_Mongoose

10-17-2002, 03:22 PM

I also dont think Padame will die in EpIII..She will live becasue leia has to remember her..

Raganork8

10-19-2002, 10:42 AM

she will die in episode three the end will feature yoda obi wan beru owen and luke on tatooine which comes shortly after a small leia wathches with obi wan as padme dies and obi wan presents her to bail

Foozbond

10-19-2002, 09:10 PM

Ok I can't find it anymore, but some was saying she HAS to die because people WANT to see her die. But...since when does Lucas care about what people WANT to see? He never has in the past, he definately won't now for the ending of it all. He even says he puts in what he wants because he does it for himself. He didn't expect Ep. II to do well because he thought it was going to get to be a bit to "personal and dark" and now he doesn't expect III to do well because of it's darkness as well. But no mater what, they will do well because it is Star Wars and people want to know the details on what happens, but back to the point. If Lucas doesn't want Padme to die, then she is not going to die. He will not be influenced by fans, especially not at this point.

JediBendu

10-19-2002, 11:34 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>But...since when does Lucas care about what people WANT to see? [/b][/quote]

He took note of what people didn't want to see - ie Jar Jar. The fan's obvious disatisfaction with him (which I do not share - JAR JAR ROCKS) probably influenced GL into the reduced role in atoc.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>people WANT to see her die[/b][/quote]

Frendon has a great sig gif - you should check it out - I can gaze at it for hours style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/evil.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

Tovor

10-20-2002, 01:04 AM

The only problem w/ Frendon's sig is that there is no Star Destroyer landing on her head, unless that happens after Vader throws her over the cliff.

Frendon

10-20-2002, 02:18 AM

She MUST die but not killed or something. I think somewhere at the end of the movie a short scene should be shown having an 4 or 5 years old Leia holding Bail Organa's hand while the body of Padme is being incinerated and then have a little dialogue explaining what happened. Something like after Anakin went to the dark side and left her she became very ill, sad and died. (I do realize that there is no fast forward scenes in any of the other movies, but this is the last episode of the PT trilogy and it wouldn't look bad even that it is out of George's normal format)

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>The only problem w/ Frendon's sig is that there is no Star Destroyer landing on her head, unless that happens after Vader throws her over the cliff.[/b][/quote]
mmm... should i add that? http://www.gamers-forums.com/smilies/contrib/tweetz/headshake.gif nope not a good idea, BTW Tovor i answered your question in the Avatars thread.

Siamese Sith

10-23-2002, 09:36 PM

Well she has been dying a little every day since Anakin came back into her life....
I believe it's gonna happen in III at the end. Padame is the final catalyst that pushes him over completely to the darkside when she "goes away". Anakins major problem is he doesn't accept change and is totally unwilling to let go.
The only possible way Leia could have any memory of Padame is if, at some point in the movie, after the twins are born a span of at least 3 years is covered in an SUPER abrieviated amount of time. But since we never have a clear idea of years in the Star Wars galaxy that could pose a significant problem.
I highly doubt that Vader would allow Tarkin to go ahead and blow Alderaan to kingdom come if he knew Padame was there, so I don't see her making the transition from PT tp OT.

Krogenar

10-23-2002, 09:59 PM

Originally posted by Siamese sith@Oct 23 2002, 08:36 PM
Well she has been dying a little every day since Anakin came back into her life....
I believe it's gonna happen in III at the end. Padame is the final catalyst that pushes him over completely to the darkside when she "goes away". Anakins major problem is he doesn't accept change and is totally unwilling to let go.
The only possible way Leia could have any memory of Padame is if, at some point in the movie, after the twins are born a span of at least 3 years is covered in an SUPER abrieviated amount of time. But since we never have a clear idea of years in the Star Wars galaxy that could pose a significant problem.
I highly doubt that Vader would allow Tarkin to go ahead and blow Alderaan to kingdom come if he knew Padame was there, so I don't see her making the transition from PT tp OT.
I agree that Padme won't die violently. She may die of a sickness, or something like that - but not a broken heart. Or maybe she'll reject Anakin, and leave him alone. And before they can reconcile, she'll die somehow.

In all of that, somehow, Obi-Wan has to prevent him from being with Padme. That way, Anakin can pin the blame on the Jedi for the death of BOTH important women in his life.

Nice avatar by the way, Siamese_Sith. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/cool.gif
Like my sig? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

jbird669

10-24-2002, 06:01 PM

Nice sig, Frendon, how did you do that? Taking that scene from Knightquest. That's cool. Anyway, Padme will die, and remember, Leis has the Force, perhaps those images will be kept there from the Force. But has to die. Has to.

Frendon

10-24-2002, 06:26 PM

jbird669 finally someone that has seen knight quest!!!!!!!!!! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif yes i took it from there, back to topic, the thing is that leia has to spend some time with padme before she dies, because if it was only a force thing then luke would have remembered her too don't you think?

jedisaber

11-18-2002, 10:01 AM

in E2 one of the cut scenes was about Padmes family, so if she had sisters then wouldnt that mean that darth vader would have had to kill them all, cause if not wouldnt luke and leia be able to find them and their heirs

Darth Vegas

11-18-2002, 10:18 AM

First off, who cares?

Second, why is this in Books & Comics?

jedisaber

11-18-2002, 10:26 AM

cause theres lots of discussion on lukes relatives, and suppose some of padmes family will be in tatooine ghost, maybe they never died, and were just afraid to seek out luke and leia, a lot of possibilities there are with their fates undetermined

Darth Vegas

11-18-2002, 10:31 AM

There is already a thread on Tatooine Ghost. O-B-Gates will close thisone, you are supposed to read the index before you start a thread.

Besides, Tatooine Ghost takes place on, uh Tatooine. Not Naboo.

Leia still has yet to discover her mother's identity in the later novels.

jedisaber

11-18-2002, 10:49 AM

WELL, who said that padmes family has to stay on naboo, and besides this thread is not ABOUT tatooine ghost, but about if luke and leia are the only ones from their family line thats left, or are there others

Darth Vegas

11-18-2002, 11:04 AM

If it is not about a specific Novel or Comic, or something from that genre, it belongs in a different forum.

Master Cephus

11-18-2002, 12:25 PM

"Loosen up"

NIGHTTRAVELER

11-18-2002, 01:19 PM

I would think that Padmes family will still be on Naboo in Episode III because there would not really be a reason for them to go anywhere.

This being said, the fate of Naboo would have a big part in decideing if Padmes relatives are alive. I would tend to think that Naboo is going to be destroyed, and if thats the case, it would answer this question.

Only time will tell.

DblDwn

11-18-2002, 01:57 PM

For starters since Vader doesn't know about Luke until ESB and Leia until ROTJ then there is no reason for him to kill Padme's family for the reason of preventing his children, of which he does not know of, from finding them.

Also, I doubt that Padme's family, if they were to live, would know of Luke or Leia. I think that the twins will be the best kept secret in the galaxy and the fewer people that know will be the better.

maddog62

11-20-2002, 06:11 PM

Obi-wan never told you who your Mother was.

DblDwn

11-20-2002, 11:30 PM

Good point

Justin

11-21-2002, 12:45 AM

Perhaps Obi-Wan's, Yoda's, or Anakin's ghost will tell Luke and Leia about Padme.

I can't believe Luke didn't ask Ben when he was talking to him on Dagohbah, when he learned about his sister.

jaymanchu

12-09-2002, 04:19 PM

The other day, I was talking to a friend of mine and we came up with a few theories that we think might come into play in Episode III.

First, we know that Padme loves to hide her identity by exotic clothes/makeup and especially by using decoys. Maybe we'll see one of her decoys killed in Episode III which would leave Anakin to believe that it was actually Padme. The Jedi could convice her to keep this a secret even from her soon to be sith Husband. Since everyone believes she is dead, this would be a perfect way to keep her safe from the Emperor. This could also be the final straw for Anakin to turn to the dark side. Perhaps he knows she is pregnant and he actually witnesses her "death".

Now another theory could possibly be that maybe Obi-Wan is the one who actually gets banished from the Jedi order. Why? Because he insisted on training a child that the counsil was against only for him to turn to the dark side under his guidance. Maybe his confrontation with Anakin was his last effort to try to right a wrong. This could possibly answer the question as to why Obi-Wan changed his name to an easily guessable one since he was trying to "hide" from Vader and the Emperor. Perhaps, when you are banished from the Jedi Order, you are stripped of your Jedi Name??? This could also be why Sith Lords assume a different identity. This would also be a nice twist in the plot, something that some would say has been lacking in the PT.

Now we get to the Anakin/Vader vs. Obi-Wan confrontation. Perhaps, right before they go at it, Obi-Wan tells Anakin that his wife is alive and well and that the person he saw killed was actually her decoy. The Jedi had to keep her death a secret to protect her from the Emperor. Now put yourself in Anakin's shoes. You are led to believe that your pregnant wife was killed. Then one of your loyal "brothers" says "Oh by the way, she's not dead, we just had to lie to you in order to keep her safe from the Emperor (who is someone that you truely believe in and you feel is the only one who believes in you)" This could be the reason why Anakin attacks Obi-Wan. (Wouldn't you?) They fight, Anakin supposidly dies and then guess who happens to save him??? Of course, Palpatine. Now that he is brought back to life by Palpatine, he will now be his loyal servant and also has quite a grudge against the Jedi.

This gives 2 reasons why Anakin, a one time faithful but yet cocky Jedi would want to "hunt down and destroy" his fellow Jedi. 1. For revenge for what they did to him (his physical and mental state) and his family and 2. in hopes of finding his wife - the only true love of his life who he thought he lost as he did with his first love: his mother.

Just a few thoughts.

What do you think???

Master Cephus

12-09-2002, 04:27 PM

Sounds good...but the thing about hunting down to find his love. Vader is all evil. Until he gets around Luke.
Other than that I would take that as part of the movie style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

Jacen Solo

12-09-2002, 04:45 PM

Jaymanchu, these are some very interesting ideas.

I must say, I was taken by surprise when I first saw Episode II and learned that it was not Padme that was killed, but her decoy, Corde. I mean, if you look closely enough where Captain Typho is talking to the other "mystery" escort, you can see something feminine about her, but then the scene cuts right back to Corde. But I am getting off subject here ... what you are saying about the decoys makes sense, but I can't picture the Jedi lying to Anakin about a death! I mean, I can see Yoda and Mace Windu (and maybe even Obi-Wan) lying to Anakin about Senator Amidala's whereabouts, but I don't know that they would lie to him concerning her death. You mentioned that perhaps she is pregnant and he actually witnesses her "death." How do you think this would happen?

Concerning Obi-Wan's banishment, your idea makes sense. I think, though, that Obi-Wan took on the name "Ben Kenobi" to protect young Luke Skywalker from learning about him until he was absolutely ready ... about the time of Episode IV. I'm not sure that the Jedi Council would hold something against Obi-Wan that happened 12 years before (taking the boy as his apprentice.) Plus, Obi-Wan didn't really agree with the idea, either - he was merely fulfilling a promise that he made to his former master, Qui-Gon. Also, Obi-Wan is the only Jedi that has destroyed a Sith Lord (to our knowledge.) He's a hero. Plus, this has nothing to do with anything, but he is one of three characters that appears in all six episodes of the saga.

I agree with your ideas about the Anakin/Obi-Wan confrontation. But if Padme was taken into hiding after one of her decoys was killed, don't you think Padme would have had some sort of say in it? Unless of course, the Jedi were keeping her hidden against her will for her own protection. It makes sense that this would be one of, if not the catalyst that makes Anakin go after Obi-Wan. I have always thought, though, that it would be the Chancellor-turned-Emperor who would tell Anakin that the Jedi were lying to him and keeping his wife hidden from him.

Those are a few of my thoughts. I'm glad you asked these questions, Jaymnchu, you're giving me a chance to think!
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jaymanchu

12-10-2002, 04:54 PM

Those are some good points Luuke.
I think Padme's "death" could be sometime around the time that Palpatine declares himself Emperor and possibly declares the Jedi traitors. (or something like that, however it plays out.) Episode II shows Anakin pretty much on Palpatine's side. This could be the start of Anakin's turn. The Jedi are against Palpatine and Anakin is for him. Perhaps the Jedi know that Palpatine wants Padme dead and again is trying to protect her. Anakin would lead Palpatine to Padme who would destroy her. The Jedi Knowing this would have to hide her not only from the Emperor, but from her husband as well, who is blindly following Palpatine.
And I don't think they actually will lie to Anakin, just keep it secret. Or "From a certain point of view" Anakin would percieve this as being lied to and decieted by his fellow Jedi. He would not see the Emperor as a threat to Padme. So in his eyes, the Jedi took his wife from him the way they took him from his mother. See the parallel???

Oh and how would the decoy be killed?? Perhaps by the Separatists. You know, those galaxies that Palpatine is supposidly fighting against, but in reality in cahoots with. Once again, this would help Anakin put the blame on the Jedi for her death initially especially if the Jedi are now against Palpatine.

Oh here's another tie-in. Let's say after Padme's death, Anakin returns to Tatooine to pay a visit to his mother's grave and tells the Lars family about what happened. Obi-wan then finds Anakin here and tells him of the news of Palpatine becoming Emperor and bassically takes him away from the Lars Family. Knowing that Anakin is heart broken over the death of his wife, Owen insists on Anakin staying with them for a while and "not get involved" with what's going on elsewhere. This gives Anakin no time to mourn the death of his wife as he had almost no time to mourn the death of his mother on Tatooine before. This could help explain the relationship between Anakin, Owen, and Obi-Wan and how they all know each other. Towards the end of the movie, Obi-Wan returns to the Lars house to drop off baby Luke and tells them of the news of Anakin. See Owen wanted Anakin to stay on Tatooine but because of Obi-Wan taking him on some "damn fool idealistic crusade" he is now a Sith Lord.

What do you think??? I really hope Episode III unfolds like this as it ties just about everything together.

mattypo

12-10-2002, 06:48 PM

i posted a similar theory rearding obi wan being banished from the jedi order back in june,

i felt that obi wan would get banished for investigating darth siddious against his mandate.

i felt that palpitine would have a hand in this as obi would be getting to close to the truth

Renekame_3rd

12-10-2002, 07:27 PM

I don't think Obi will be banished from the jedi order. He changes his name to Ben for, i think, Lukes protection. While Luke was growing up, he may have heard of an Obi-Wan kenobi. So, with Luke's 'family' talking about a 'Ben' kenobi, Luke wouldn't find out about him untill he was ready.

My main concerne is how padme dies. I don't think it will be a decoy. She will have already given birth by the start of episode III, or will give birth right at the very start, ill put my house on that. Due to the timescale she has to. But how does she die? Perhaps she dies by the fault of a jedi? Obi-wan makes a mistake and the consequence is Padme's death? This would explain Anakins true love dying, AND his hate for the jedi, forcing him to the dark side. Maybe he believes the Padme will die, unless he acts. As he says in Ep II "Someday ill be able to stop people from dying!" So he goes to the dark side to gain this 'power' as perhaps Palpy convinces him that if he 'joins' him he'll prevent padme's death. But he doesn't and he wants eternal vengeance on the jedi.

There's my theories.

bullumhead

12-10-2002, 07:58 PM

i started a similar thread reagrding padme a while back called "Who is Leia's Mother." I just popped it to the top...maybe you all might consider checking it out!

i provides, i think, a pretty interesting twist regarding the fate of Padme and the kids.

jaymanchu

12-10-2002, 09:38 PM

I think something has to happen with the decoy. We've seen Padme use this in both Episode I and II. Something significant has to happen in Episode III that involves her decoy. Why else would George even have it in the story or invest so much time in the movies with it? We've seen the set-up now we need a payoff. Killing off a decoy in Episode II did nothing but reinforce the fact that Padme is still using decoys for her safety.

We know that the twins have to be kept hidden. We also are led to believe that Padme lives at least a short time after the birth of the twins to take care of Leia. We also know that Padme uses decoys very frequently to hide herself from her enemies. This has to play a part in her going into hiding. I'm not saying my theory is 100%, but it does make a lot of sense without contradicting anything and it uses what we know for sure in the story.

jaymanchu

12-10-2002, 11:33 PM

bullumhead,
I just read through your thread and though we are on the same page as far as Padme's decoy playing a major role. However, I don't think that Anakin could just sit and watch Palpatine Kill his wife. Speaking from a husband's point of view with a pregnant wife, pregnant or not if anyone, I don't care who it was, tried to harm my wife in anyway, I would be kicking some major arse if you know what I mean.

And why would Dorme take care of the kids and have Padme go into the danger zone? Wouldn't it make more sense if Padme was in hiding with the kids and Dorme was the one that was killed?? But again, I don't think Anakin would jus sit by and let Palpatine kill his wife just because he believes in him or is his mentor. If that happens, a lot of people would see it as a major let down.

Plus you have to ask this question, will we actually see Padme die on screen?? I don't believe so. She is too big of a character. Imagine what it would've been like when you were a "youngling" if they killed off Leia on screen. Wouldn't that be devastating for you? Remember this is a film for Star Wars fans young and old. That's why I don't think Jar Jar will die on screen. Too many kiddies would be upset.

The only thing my theory doesn't explain is if Padme's decoy dies, then how does Padme die? I really don't think that's important. We know that she dies when Leia is very young. From my point of view, Padme running off and hiding with Leia while the rest of the galaxy thinks she's dead is the end of her story. There's no need to kill her off on screen other than if you want to shock all the little 4-12 year old girls who see her as a role model. The fact that we know she dies soon after having the twins is all we need to know and that is covered in ROTJ. No need to see her get blown away by a stormtrooper, or have Dooku or Palpatine shock her to death!

We already know this trillogy will end on a down note with the rise of the Emperor, the fall and purge of the Jedi, and Anakin turning to the dark side. Why make it even more depressing by killing off Padme?

bullumhead

12-10-2002, 11:55 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Speaking from a husband's point of view with a pregnant wife, pregnant or not if anyone, I don't care who it was, tried to harm my wife in anyway, I would be kicking some major arse if you know what I mean[/b][/quote]
yes, but have you turned to the dark-side lately?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>nd why would Dorme take care of the kids and have Padme go into the danger zone?[/b][/quote]
well i'm sure that dorme would have pleaded for padme not to go. but padme is the hero here, not dorme. she's the one that took on the trade federation and ran off headstrong to geonosis to rescue obi-wan. and i'm sure that, for whatever reason she runs off and meets her doom (though i beleive she will be going to anakin to try and bring him back to the good side) doing so for a very important reason.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>will we actually see Padme die on screen?? I don't believe so[/b][/quote]
i think it's entirely crucial to see padme die. she one of the three main characters...how can you leave her fate up in the air. it's not like we see her later on down the road in the OT or the go into any detail explaining her fate. it would be like not seeing anakin turn to the dark side.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>She is too big of a character[/b][/quote]
Obi-Wan died on screen. Yoda died on screen. Vader died on screen. Qui-Gon died on screen. Luke has his hand cut off on screen.

"Younglings" are more resilient than you give them credit for. They were okay after Bambi died. They were okay after Old Yeller died. They were okay after Mufassa died. I think they'll be just fine after Padme dies, too.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>From my point of view, Padme running off and hiding with Leia while the rest of the galaxy thinks she's dead is the end of her story[/b][/quote]
yes, but that goes entirely against padme's character. she's not the kind of person that can side idly by while people are being persecuted. look at her tone poem from the TPM commercials (look in the TPM DVD extras if you don't remember)...she says it right there. so i doubt she would be siiting in the background while the galaxy goes to crap.

Mothman

12-11-2002, 02:11 PM

Originally posted by bullumhead@Dec 10 2002, 10:55 PM
...how can you leave her fate up in the air. it's not like we see her later on down the road in the OT or the go into any detail explaining her fate...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>From my point of view, Padme running off and hiding with Leia while the rest of the galaxy thinks she's dead is the end of her story
yes, but that goes entirely against padme's character. she's not the kind of person that can side idly by while people are being persecuted. look at her tone poem from the TPM commercials (look in the TPM DVD extras if you don't remember)...she says it right there. so i doubt she would be siiting in the background while the galaxy goes to crap.[/b][/quote]
That's right. She won't just go into hiding. She'll take on a different identity. Then, she'll have a hand in the formation of the Rebellion.

jaymanchu

12-11-2002, 02:30 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>yes, but have you turned to the dark-side lately? [/b][/quote]

Well killing off my wife would probably lead me to the dark side, however I would want revenge on the person that killed my wife, especially if he made me witness it. I wouldn't want to hunt down and kill the people fighting against my wife's murderer. Especially if I was one of them.

Remember, Darth Vader wasn't completely "twisted evil" as Obi-Wan said he was. Luke knew this. But to Obi-Wan, Vader helped destroy all Jedi including the younglings so he has every reason to believe he is all evil. Luke knew that Vader didn't want to kill him. Now why could Vader stand by and watch The Emperor kill the love of his life: Padme, when he couldn't watch the Emperor kill a son that he barely knew?

I just don't buy Vader looking on as Padme is being Killed by Palpatine as if to say "Go Master, kill off the love of my life, all for our cause and power" I don't think the audience would accept this either. And that act itself would make it almost impossible for Vader to redeem himself in ROTJ even though he saves his son.

Some have asked why Padme would run off and hide just because the Jedi want her to. Or wouldn't she be against hiding, isn't it against her character? Yes of course. This very same thing happend in AOTC. The Jedi made her go into hiding AGAINST her wishes and Dorme was left as a Decoy. Now why she put an idiot (Jar Jar) in charge and not her decoy, well I don't know that answer. But if she wouldn't even put her decoy in her place in the Senate, why would she put her in place as the mother of her child? Anyway I think if it were for the safety of herself and her children, she would agree to go into hiding.

Now back on the subject of Dorme raising her children. That would mean that Leia's memory of her mother was false, it wasn't really Padme. That wouldn't sit right. The audience would know that Leia's mother was Padme not Dorme but Leia would never find that out, neither would Luke. The way I have it play out, Luke knows a little about his father, and Leia knows a little about her mother. (we find that out from ROTJ) From there they both can find out who there parents were and we have a happy ending. With your theory, neither one would truely ever know about their real mother: Padme. There's no resolution to this problem. With my theory it all works out with no complications, or contradictions.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>That's right. She won't just go into hiding. She'll take on a different identity. Then, she'll have a hand in the formation of the Rebellion.[/b][/quote]

That's a great idea! I just don't see her becoming Mon Mothma. Perhaps she starts the Rebellion and is killed in the process. Remember Leia remembers her mother and she dies when she was young. Her memory of her mother has to be Padme, or again, there's no true resolution for Luke and Leia finding out about their real parents.

I'm not saying my theory is correct or better, but it's harder to dispute until we find out for sure in 2005.

Mothman

12-11-2002, 03:01 PM

Originally posted by jaymanchu@Dec 11 2002, 01:30 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>That's right. She won't just go into hiding. She'll take on a different identity. Then, she'll have a hand in the formation of the Rebellion.

That's a great idea! I just don't see her becoming Mon Mothma. Perhaps she starts the Rebellion and is killed in the process. Remember Leia remembers her mother and she dies when she was young. Her memory of her mother has to be Padme, or again, there's no true resolution for Luke and Leia finding out about their real parents.[/b][/quote]
Actually, this line of thinking leads directly to justifying the "Padme is Mon Mothma" theory. The only basis for the "Padme is Dead" theory is Leia's memory. Leia had to have been very, very young, as she only remembers images, feelings, etc. They told Luke that his father was dead. Why can't we believe that they also told Leia that her mother was dead -- which is true (from a certain point of view) if she left to go into hiding, take on a different identity, and begin a Rebellion against the evil that is tearing apart her beloved galaxy.

Renekame_3rd

12-11-2002, 03:23 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Why else would George even have it in the story...[/b][/quote]
It's just part of the authenticity of the story. For example, it's said that Saddam Hussein uses decoys for his own protection. So why not a senator? The statement above is basically saying that the fact she has decoys has to play a major rol ein the storyline. It's like saying Adi Gallia or Yaddle ar ehugely relevant to the storyline.

Bandet

12-11-2002, 03:35 PM

what i was wondering is that Leia unlike Luke must stay somewere close to the goverments because she becomes a princes how does she get there? is Amadila give her away to some other king or queen? im sure we will see some of this in Ep3

jaymanchu

12-11-2002, 04:24 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>It's just part of the authenticity of the story. For example, it's said that Saddam Hussein uses decoys for his own protection. So why not a senator? The statement above is basically saying that the fact she has decoys has to play a major rol ein the storyline. It's like saying Adi Gallia or Yaddle ar ehugely relevant to the storyline. [/b][/quote]

I think there's something a little more significant than that. Yaddle and Adi Gallia aren't even mentioned in either film and are barely even seen in the movie unless you are trying to find them.

We've seen the the use of Padme's decoy in both movies as something important. It's because she was using a decoy in Episode I that she was able to meet Anakin in the first place, and it's because she was using a decoy in AOTC that she survives an assasination attempt.

If George used it simply for "just part of the authenticity of the story" why would he have to remind us again in Episode II that she is still using decoys other than to take up valuable story time??? Because we're probably going to see more to the decoy story that plays an even bigger role in Episode III. Just my opinion.

Mothman

12-11-2002, 04:27 PM

Originally posted by Bandet@Dec 11 2002, 02:35 PM
what i was wondering is that Leia unlike Luke must stay somewere close to the goverments because she becomes a princes how does she get there? is Amadila give her away to some other king or queen? im sure we will see some of this in Ep3
We're introduced to Senator Bail Organa of Alderaan (Jimmy Smits) in AOTC. Leia is Leia Organa of Alderaan. In Episode III or shortly thereafter, she will be "adopted" by Bail & Mrs. Bail (not her real mother), where she will eventually become an Imperial Senator from Alderaan.

jaymanchu

12-11-2002, 04:42 PM

Originally posted by Bandet@Dec 11 2002, 07:35 PM
what i was wondering is that Leia unlike Luke must stay somewere close to the goverments because she becomes a princes how does she get there? is Amadila give her away to some other king or queen? im sure we will see some of this in Ep3
Well if and/or when Padme goes into hiding with baby Leia, She's suppose to Organa's place (I think). Perhaps after Padme has the twins, she leaves Leia with the Organa's in order to go on some sort of "diplomatic mission" and while doing so, her identity is revealed and she gets murdered. (Possibly by a hired bounty hunter???) Now that Padme is truely dead, Leia is now an orphan and since she was allready with The Organa's, they just assume the role of her parents.

It seems to me like the Organa's (and probably Padme) are the actual starters of the Rebellion, which would make them likely candidates to take care of Leia. They would definately be on Padme's side and would not give the baby over to the Empire.

I think the Organa's rise in power which in turn makes her the Princess. She has to be thought of as their full blooded daughter or someone might find out her true identity.

It's possible that this could be in Episode III if time allows it. Again I think this would tie everything together.

bullumhead

12-11-2002, 05:49 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Well killing off my wife would probably lead me to the dark side, however I would want revenge on the person that killed my wife, especially if he made me witness it. I wouldn't want to hunt down and kill the people fighting against my wife's murderer. Especially if I was one of them[/b][/quote]
i share your sentiment here, but you're applying these circumstances to a normal person and ordinary circumstances. anakin is a messed up kid, and a jedi being seduced by the dark side, who's mother died in his arms, with the fate of the galaxy hanging in the balance...the list goes on. the kids got more serious issues than you or i could ever have!

think about this too...anakin was told be obi-wan, when padme fell out of the gunship, that he needs to remember his duty and not let his personal feelings get in the way. now, if palpatine has twisted anakin's mind into thinking that serving him is the right thing to do and this screwed up who's kid falling to the dark side is told that padme's death is crucial to the fate of the GALAXY, it's possible that he might choose his duty to the galaxy over his personal feelings for Padme.

this ties in with the whole telling his mother he would not fail thing. choosing personal feelings over his duty, to him, would be a failure, and he said he will not fail again.

that's not "twisted evil," that's just twisted-confused.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>But if she wouldn't even put her decoy in her place in the Senate, why would she put her in place as the mother of her child?[/b][/quote]
Representative Binks is a member of the Naboo Senate, respresenting the Gungans. Dorme is part of Padme's personal enterage (sp.) it was his responsibilty to takes Padme's place in her absence. if she trusts dorme with her life as a decoy/bodyguard, then why wouldn't she trust the life of her child to her as well?

jaymanchu

12-11-2002, 06:02 PM

he kids got more serious issues than you or i could ever have!

I don't know, I have some pretty serrious issues as well! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

[QUTOTE]this ties in with the whole telling his mother he would not fail thing. choosing personal feelings over his duty, to him, would be a failure, and he said he will not fail again.[/QUOTE]

Yes but he FAILED to protect his mother and now she's dead. Now he has failed to protect his wife and now she's dead. I think this is what he means by "I will not fail again." But if my theory comes out true, this would be him failing yet again, which would make him completely turn to the dark side. Wouldn't you think? And to have it all be part of a plan on the Jedi's part would give him a grudge against them.

The reason he failed to protect his mother was because he WAS doing his duty for the Jedi Order. He was never allowed to go to his mother, he did it on his own.

bullumhead

12-11-2002, 07:47 PM

okay...here's something that i do know for certain. you and i both feel very strongly about our respective opinions and could each probably go on like this for days on end with no hope whatsoever of swaying the other's opinions. am i right?

and though i love a good debate and would normally like nothing more than let this glorious dance continue, i've got a slew of doubters to fight off over at the "Who Is Leia's Mother" thread and there just aren't enough hours in the day for me to fight this battle on two fronts.

let's just let the movie decide. seeya around, jaymanchu!

jaymanchu

12-11-2002, 11:18 PM

I'm not really fighting with you. Just a friendly conversation about what could happen in Episode III.

I think we're both on the right track, however we didn't write the movie and George could have something completely different up his sleeve. It may be better than what we came up with, it may not, depending on your opininon. But I guess we won't find out 'til 2005.

It's nice to have a little debate without reducing the conversation to name calling and other childish behavior. It was nice talking to ya, take care.

jedisaber

12-17-2002, 12:51 PM

i know, he was always asking about his father, but he knew what became of his dad, but not of his mom so wouldnt he be curious, and it would have saved him all that trouble in the black fleet crisis trilo

Brian

12-17-2002, 01:51 PM

Originally posted by NIGHTTRAVELER@Nov 18 2002, 12:19 PM
I would think that Padmes family will still be on Naboo in Episode III because there would not really be a reason for them to go anywhere.

This being said, the fate of Naboo would have a big part in decideing if Padmes relatives are alive. I would tend to think that Naboo is going to be destroyed, and if thats the case, it would answer this question.

Only time will tell.
Agreed. Naboo is likely the first to go after Palpidious declares himself Emperor. Probably some thing like "Naboo is a traitorous system that must be destroyed in the best interest of the Republic." If this is the case, Padme's family and everyone else on Naboo will be killed by the Empire. This is only one possible theory of many.

Brian

12-17-2002, 01:56 PM

Originally posted by jedisaber@Dec 17 2002, 11:51 AM
i know, he was always asking about his father, but he knew what became of his dad, but not of his mom so wouldnt he be curious, and it would have saved him all that trouble in the black fleet crisis trilo
Luke was probably captivated by the fact that his father was a great pilot and a Jedi Knight. Then when he found that Vader was his father, he was in complete shock and disbelief. This coupled with the fact that Leia had vauge memories of their mother made Luke kind of forget about her. Perhaps, at the time of the films, he felt she wasn't as important to him as was learning more about his father. Again, just a theory.

jbird669

12-17-2002, 02:27 PM

Luke was probably captivated by the fact that his father was a great pilot and a Jedi Knight. Then when he found that Vader was his father, he was in complete shock and disbelief. This coupled with the fact that Leia had vauge memories of their mother made Luke kind of forget about her. Perhaps, at the time of the films, he felt she wasn't as important to him as was learning more about his father. Again, just a theory.

I'm with you O-B-Gates.

RollaFett

01-09-2003, 10:21 PM

Just a thought that hit me. In AOTC, when Obi-Wan, Anakin, and Padme are chasing down Dooku, their ship gets hit and Padme falls out. Anakin wants, desperately, to help her, but Obi-Wan reminds him that his mission should take priority over Padme's well being. Anakin eventually agrees, but you can tell he didn't like it. In the end, Padme was fine. Everything was ok.
What if in EPIII, however, a similar scenario takes place, but it results in Padme's death. Could that be the last straw for Anakin. Is that what eventually turns him?
The fact that the Jedi order are responsible for her dying would most likely do it, don't you think?
Now, I can't get specific on what exactly might happen, it's just a thought that occurred to me.

Mann

01-10-2003, 12:15 AM

No, it would shine a bad light on the Jedi. Lucas will make them look like heroes til the end. He doesn't want them to be seen as heartless.

RollaFett

01-10-2003, 12:18 AM

Not heartless, mind you, but more like how Obi-Wan acted in that scene I mentioned.

Mann

01-10-2003, 12:28 AM

But blaming the Jedi for a character's death is pointing a bad finger at the JEdi. They are the protector's of good. To blame them for one of the most pivotal character's death is just not like them. Obi-wan knew she was alright, he didn't want Anakin distracted.

JediBendu

01-10-2003, 12:31 AM

I like the idea - it could play out that Palpatine convinces Anakin that the Jedi were responsible, probably even specifically Obi-Wan, rather than the Jedi actually being responsible style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/scratchchin.gif
good way for the duel to start, I've always thought Obi would challenge Anakin for he is leaning to the dark side, not the other way round

Darth Bigalow

01-10-2003, 12:36 AM

I think that Obi-Wan felt her as being okay and not dead. Even if he did not I think he had good reason to pursue Dooku leaving behind padme. Obi-Wan said "If we catch him we can end this war right now." He is right by saying that, maybe if Anakin had felt her being safe he would not been so rash when fighting Dooku and maybe him and Obi-Wan could have killed him together. There are thousands of possibilities but I think any Jedi would have made the same call as Kenobi did. I do not think Anakin would have rushed in on Dooku so quickly like that if he knew Padme was okay. Also Obi-Wan does not see his mission priority being more important than Padmes well being, but more important than Anakins "personal feelings" When you said that GollaFett it sounded like Obi-Wan did not care for her well being which he obviously did. Your theory I could believe if it did not have Jedi acting like they have no coinsience. But we wont know till Episode III

Siamese Sith

01-10-2003, 01:02 AM

An interesting theory, if, Anakin wasn't around when Qui Gon said "It is our honor to continue to serve and protect you, your highness". And if Anakin wasn't told time and time again by Mace to "protect the senator at all costs" or if Anakin wasn't dispatched with Obi Wan by the counsel to "protect the senator, not start an investigation"

spaceman2386

01-10-2003, 01:27 AM

I like what u r going at.

X-3PO

01-10-2003, 01:44 AM

I like the idea. I think it has some potential. And I think Lucas will need to make the Jedi look somewhat bad, because if you think about it, Anakin is really the main charecter of the Prequels. Well, we also know that Anakin will be killing all the Jedi(not by himself I am sure), so we have to have some legitimate reason for him to kill them. Making the Jedi look bad (if only to Anakin) would be needed. It would make us feel for Anakin, understand why he was killing them, but also we will remember that ultimately the Jedi ARE good and Anakin was just finding the wrong reaction to the chain of events.

echoseven

01-10-2003, 08:24 AM

I think the jedi will look bad, ....... from a certain point of view.
I am totally convinced that from Anakin's point of view, the jedi will be the bad guys. Think about it.... Anakin has already pointed out that he agree's in principal with a dictatorship based on his comments with Padme in EP II. The Jedi will find out about Palpatine, but Anakin will view the Jedi as traitors. The United States were traitors in the eyes of the British in the American Revolution. The whole bad guy/good guy thing is all in the eye of the beholder. This is ultimatly how Lucas will show how a good person can go bad, that will be the tragedy, (along with some other incident such as Padme's death or something), Anakin will ultimatly go bad, but we will feel for him.

Renekame_3rd

01-10-2003, 10:55 AM

Good thoughts, i had the idea in the main post, but i didn't post it as a i prefer the theory of Anakin turning to palpatine when he gets expelled from the jedi order for getting married.

Mann

01-10-2003, 11:11 AM

Anakin is the one who needs to look bad. Palpatine turns him to the dark side. Palpatine may make Anakin believe that the Jedi are to blame, but in reality it would be different. Oh, and this is going to those who believe that Padme will die, but i don't.

Renekame_3rd

01-10-2003, 02:33 PM

I believe she will die, and that it will anger Anakin. But i think he will have already started his transition to the dark side by then by joining Palpy after his expulsion.

echoseven

01-10-2003, 02:40 PM

I would'nt be suprised either way, but I believe she dies because GL said ALL the major characters save for Vader, Ben and Yoda die.

If she dies in the movie, the twins should probably be born early.

echoseven

01-10-2003, 02:48 PM

I looked and did not see a similar thread on either page, If I missed it, please feel free to delete this thread...

We know for sure that Anakin never knew about Leia. Does he know about Luke? If he does not, that means that he has to be away from Padme for at least 4 to 5 months while she is showing. I imagine that it's possible that he could be away fighting in the clone wars.
If he does know, he has to think Padme and the baby died somehow. Wouldn't you think?

Finally, I have always heard rumors of a Love Triangle w/ Obi.... is it possible that Ani is led to believe that Obi is the father and that's what sets him off???

Any thoughts?

Darth Bigalow

01-10-2003, 03:57 PM

I dont think Padme will even die in Episode III. We are pretty sure Obi-Wan brings Luke to Owen as a baby. If that happens I think it will be at the end. In ROTJ Leia remembers her mother pretty good by saying she was beautiful and sad, she must be pretty old to recognize someones emotions. So I'm guessing she does not die in Episode III. The only thing wrong this is if that happens, we wont find out how Padme died.

jaymanchu

01-10-2003, 04:08 PM

Bump!

jaymanchu

01-10-2003, 04:12 PM

I had some theories about Padme's "death" and how the Jedi and ofcourse Anakin and Obi-Wan and even Owen fit into the picture. It's under the thread "Padme's Death, Anakin's turn, Obi-Wan Banished" I just bumped it. Check it out and let me know what you think.

Mann

01-10-2003, 05:22 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>I would'nt be suprised either way, but I believe she dies because GL said ALL the major characters save for Vader, Ben and Yoda die.[/b][/quote]

But wait, GL left out people like Palpatine, Bail, and the droids. They are major characters too. I think he said that so the mystery of Padme will be revealed in Episode III.

X-3PO

01-10-2003, 07:25 PM

HELLO!! WE KNOW PALPATINE, BAIL, AND THE DROIDS DON'T DIE BECAUSE THEY ARE (with the exception of Bail, though he is implied) IN THE OTHER FREAKING MOVIES! Give it up!

Darth Bigalow

01-10-2003, 08:02 PM

I could not see a love triangle between them. I have read in other place Palpatine brainwashes Anakin into thinking there is something going on between her and Obi-Wan. But Obi-Wan is the epitome of Jedi, a perfect example, and they are not allowed to love. But he probably sees the Republic and Jedi falling and thinks he can get some while he still has time.

Mann

01-10-2003, 08:44 PM

So because we don't see Bail, we know he is alive? Why can't the same thing be said about Padme. Oh, and I think GL will want the major protagonists to survive as he did with the OT, even though we know Mace dies.

RollaFett

01-10-2003, 09:55 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Also Obi-Wan does not see his mission priority being more important than Padmes well being, but more important than Anakins "personal feelings" When you said that GollaFett it sounded like Obi-Wan did not care for her well being which he obviously did.[/b][/quote]

Maybe I didn't express myself good enough. I always thought that Obi-Wan did give a damn about Padme's well-being, but at that point in time, the mission had to become the priority. That's what I meant.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>But blaming the Jedi for a character's death is pointing a bad finger at the JEdi.[/b][/quote]

I'm not pointing the finger at the Jedi for anything. I'm saying that it would be interesting if a similar scenario took place in EPIII where Anakin is pointing the finger at the Jedi for Padme's death. Simply look at the scene from AOTC that I'm refering to once more. Sure, at the time, he reluctantly agreed with Obi-Wan, but if Padme hadn't survived, Anakin might've turned right then and there. I think that scene was included to plant a seed in our minds to remind us of how Anakin reacts to losing things/people close to him, and how we might see that once more. Remember in TPM, when Yoda is grilling him about his fear of losing his mother? Same thing with Padme. What would be a more perfect reason for Anakin to turn and slaughter Jedi than for him to feel as though they were responsible for the death of his wife?!

JediBendu

01-10-2003, 11:08 PM

you never know - Anakin and Padme could have a fight the 'morning after' style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif after which he leaves in a huff and goes to Palpatine for advice. Palpatine could then make his move, Anakin never realising just how fertile a Jedi can be.

X-3PO

01-11-2003, 01:04 AM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>So because we don't see Bail, we know he is alive? Why can't the same thing be said about Padme.[/b][/quote]

Well you see that isn't what I said. Bail has stories in other Star Wars material telling us he was alive during the time of ANH. It is written that he died on Alderaan when the Death Star blew it up, Leia's back story tells us her adopted father was Bail Oragana who helped her actions in the rebellion, AND Bail Organa had a rather large role in the Star Wars: A New Hope radio drama.

Padme is mentioned as being dead in ROTJ. She has no other mentions in the OT EVER. Your arguement is pointless, she will die.

DblDwn

01-11-2003, 02:14 AM

I don't agree with the love triangle theory if for any other reason than the fact that this is Star Wars, not Melrose Place.

Mann

01-11-2003, 05:40 PM

Dude, ni where in the movies is Bail Mentioned minus the time Leia says her dad. What if Padme just left after Leia was born, but Leia can't comprehend death yet. She's too young. She is later told that she died. If Padme is alive that long, do you think Vader wouldn't have found her?

Oh, Don't use outside of the movies stuff. The radio drama is different.

Rojo

01-11-2003, 06:08 PM

Stop with the crap spaceman!

Anakin has to know about Luke but not about Leia, so he can't be there at the birth (maybe he's gone dark by then?)

I think Padme sees whats happening to Anakin (maybe the morning after) and he runs off but he knows she's up the duff. Padme talks to Obi Wan who sends Luke to Tatooine and Leia AND Padme to Alderaan.

MAYBE, who knows?

Renekame_3rd

01-11-2003, 06:41 PM

Not me style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

GL?

X-3PO

01-11-2003, 07:35 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>If Padme is alive that long, do you think Vader wouldn't have found her?[/b][/quote]

So what are you saying? That she MUST be dead? Ok that is what I am saying. I guess if she were alive Vader would have found her, but since she isn't, he didn't.

The whole thing about Padme, "going away" would be too much to explain. And where would it be explained? Padme isn't in the OT. If she were alive why isn't she fighting with the rebellion? And you say Vader would have found her? He didn't seem to find his kid, who was still named skywalker, and lived on Vader's HOME PLANET! I don't understand what you are trying to say but it doesn't make any sense to me.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Oh, Don't use outside of the movies stuff. The radio drama is different.[/b][/quote]

Don't tell me what I can and can not use. The radio dramas show (or tell rather) alot of things that weren't in the movies but were in the origanal scripts and deleted scenes. Bail Organa is alive, and my evidence doesn't just come from the radio dramas, but every other official source as well. And Padme is dead.

Siamese Sith

01-11-2003, 09:36 PM

Originally posted by X-3PO@Jan 10 2003, 06:25 PM
HELLO!! WE KNOW PALPATINE, BAIL, AND THE DROIDS DON'T DIE BECAUSE THEY ARE (with the exception of Bail, though he is implied) IN THE OTHER FREAKING MOVIES! Give it up!
Ya know.....Lucas could use that cut footage from ANH to mention Padme some how......

X-3PO

01-11-2003, 10:28 PM

I think it will be kind of hard to mention a charecter that wasn't even thought about during filming.

Mann

01-12-2003, 11:23 AM

you know what Luke was told when he was a child? That his father was dead. So just maybe Leia was told the same thing so she wouldn't go looking for her mother.

Obi-Stu

01-13-2003, 02:49 AM

In the the script for ROTJ (and it is in the novel too - I think), Obi-Wan has some extra lines which might help in this debate:

<span style="color:darkblue">LUKE : Leia! Leia's my sister.

BEN : Your insight serves you well. Bury your feelings deep down, Luke. They do you credit. But they could be made to serve the Emperor.

BEN (continuing his narrative) :When your father left, he didn't know your mother was pregnant. Your mother and I knew he would find out eventually, but we wanted to keep you both as safe as possible, for as long as possible. So I took you to live with my brother Owen on Tatooine... and your mother took Leia to live as the daughter of Senator Organa, on Alderaan.</span>

Now I realise that this isn't carved in stone and Gl could always change his mind, But it serves as an idea as to what the senario could be.

Rojo

01-13-2003, 02:58 AM

That's interesting, where did you find it?

Obi-Stu

01-13-2003, 03:07 AM

There are quite a few sites on the internet, with the various scripts, the one I use is :

www.bus.miami.edu/~jdavis/Starwars/scripts.html

echoseven

01-13-2003, 08:16 AM

Great quote from the ROTJ novel.. that helps.

Also, I never meant that Obi and Padme would really be involved with each other, I only meant that Ani might accuse them or Palpatine might insinuate as such....

Siamese Sith

01-13-2003, 04:04 PM

Originally posted by X-3PO@Jan 11 2003, 09:28 PM
I think it will be kind of hard to mention a charecter that wasn't even thought about during filming.
Why? They changed the dialog in other scenes in the OT SE, and most people didn't even realize. I don't think it would be that difficult for Lucas to use that scene when Biggs visits Tatooine to somehow mention Padme.

X-3PO

01-13-2003, 04:21 PM

First of all what dialogue did they change in the OT? (I'm not saying I doubt it but I was not aware.) Second of all why would there be any need to mention Padme in the Biggs scenes?!?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> you know what Luke was told when he was a child? That his father was dead. So just maybe Leia was told the same thing so she wouldn't go looking for her mother.[/b][/quote]

I could see Leia being told this, if Padme had anything to do with the OT. Anakin became Vader and had a major part in the OT, so of course they had to tell Luke something about what happened to his father. Padme contributed nothing to the OT so there is no need to tell Leia anything other the truth, that her mother died when she was very young.

James

01-24-2003, 03:43 AM

I think maybe

I've rethought my ideas about Padmé's death. I think she seems like a very strong-willed person (except for allowing her self to fall in love in Ani) and I doubt she'll die from sadness.

I think it will be the Trade Federation under that greedy, profit-obsessed, ugly-looking tart Nute Gunray. He's just a fiend for revenge!! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/evil.gif But he doesn't realise he's just being used as a pawn for Darth Sid's master plan! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

X-3PO

01-24-2003, 10:25 AM

I hope it is the Trade Federation and Nute Gunray kills her personally! I love Nute Gunray and hope he has a bit more screen time in Episode III. Then Anakin could get super pissed and kill Gunray, it would be a good death scene for the Viceroy!

Isomorph

01-24-2003, 10:42 AM

I'd say he want's her because she threw a monkey wrench in his plans to stop the blockade of Naboo and she did it personally he see her as a threat to his ability to gain power and wealth that seems to be a good enough reason to him to want her dead.

Darth Bigalow

01-25-2003, 12:42 AM

I think so much is going to be going on in Episode III, that Gunray wont really care about Padme anymore. All he cares about is power right??? So he is believing he is gaining the power from the Seperatists, what good will killing Padme really be. It is not like Padme can take down the Seperatists by herself right?? Oh yea I really want Nute Gunray to get mutilated with a lightsaber in Episode III I hate him.

Rojo

01-25-2003, 03:06 AM

Originally posted by X-3PO@Jan 25 2003, 01:25 AM
I love Nute Gunray
Christ, I thought everyone hated him (including me).

I think Padme will die in some situation contrived by Palpy (maybe involving Nute) so it looks like the Jedi's fault, helping Anakin into the dark side.

Renekame_3rd

01-25-2003, 11:17 AM

i can't stand Gunray!

Mann

01-25-2003, 01:16 PM

I think that the irony will be that Gunray will attempt to kill Padem so many times, that when it comes down to it, she kills him. (just think, Padme the in an Starfighter)

jedi_aalya

01-25-2003, 07:17 PM

I hope she shoots his head off

It wouldn't be right for Gunray to kill her cos no one likes him. I'd be disappointed if he did.

I think Palpatine should electricute her or something. It'd have to be pretty dramatic anyway.

Actually, if she dies in the next episode and the twins are babies how is Leia supposed to remember her? She must have a very good memory to think back to when she was only a few weeks or months old!

Mann

01-25-2003, 07:25 PM

welcome new senator!

Oh I hope so too. But, I don't think Padme will die. Lucas has never been prone to tragedy so much. We know alot of characers die, but I think Padme will survive because she is too major of a character. Besides, if she is in new footage, then something has to be there to show she didn't die.

OWK

01-25-2003, 07:33 PM

Hehe, I think I'm one of the few who actually like Gunray.

"She can't do that! Shoot her...or something."
style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

Mann

01-25-2003, 07:34 PM

isn't that a dumb thing for a leader of a federation to say? proves how dumb he is.

X-3PO

01-25-2003, 09:25 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Besides, if she is in new footage, then something has to be there to show she didn't die.[/b][/quote]

What are you talking about? What new footage. Padme is dead as a doornail. The kids can be born before Episode III starts. I am pretty sure Padme and Anakin will have sex sometime between Episode II and III and then "oops!" Two new cast members.

Here's what I picture as a nice begining of Episode III. The movie starts off with a huge battle, they talk about how long this battle has been raging, how long the war has been going on, Anakin says that it has been a long time since he's seen padme. After the battle he goes home and we see two kids and the audience is made aware that they have some kids, perhaps secretly, if their whole marrige is a secret.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>"She can't do that! Shoot her...or something."[/b][/quote]

That's some good comic releif that is all. Yes I must say that I do like Nute Gunray, as a charecter, he isn't admirable of course but he's powerful charecter, and funny at the same time. Gods bless you Nute Gunray.

bodhisattva yoda

01-25-2003, 09:34 PM

i like gunray too. only i liked that other guy... mr. stunted slime best out of the trade federation villians. seeing him go in menace was like watching piett die in jedi.
perhaps this is where boba will have a role in episode three... finishing his father's task of assassinating padme... with the help of some more experienced bounty hunter(s) of course.

Dark Prince

01-25-2003, 09:38 PM

Originally posted by OWK@Jan 25 2003, 06:33 PM
Hehe, I think I'm one of the few who actually like Gunray.

"She can't do that! Shoot her...or something."
style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif
Actually, i think Gunray is cooler than most of the other secondary chacters.

Mann

01-25-2003, 09:39 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>What are you talking about? What new footage. Padme is dead as a doornail. The kids can be born before Episode III starts. I am pretty sure Padme and Anakin will have sex sometime between Episode II and III and then "oops!" Two new cast members. [/b][/quote]

Um, the new footage they are filming for the ultimate edition. all we know is that Padme is pregnant at the start of the movie, as quoted by Natalie herself.

X-3PO

01-25-2003, 11:03 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Um, the new footage they are filming for the ultimate edition.[/b][/quote]

Where do you get your information? They haven't even started filming episode III yet, MacCullum has stated that all their resources are being put into getting prepared for Episode III. There is no filming. Dream on.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Actually, i think Gunray is cooler than most of the other secondary chacters.[/b][/quote]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>i like gunray too.[/b][/quote]

Its good to know that there are a few Gunray fans out there. And I must confess, bodhisattava, that Dofine did have a nice death scene! Very Piett-ish.

Timmo

01-26-2003, 10:56 AM

Nute Gunray is the best new non-sith villian in the PT. The Nemoidians are the best new race introduced in the PT. Straight up. Who is better? NO ONE. Sebulba? Jango Fett? Zam Wessel? PUH-LEASE! Nute is da "moidian". style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

bodhisattva yoda

01-26-2003, 02:23 PM

personally, i think part of the reason i like the nemoidians so much is because they haven't suffered the fate of so many other prequel species and reduced to a digital existence. that and their charming cowardice, of course.

X-3PO

01-26-2003, 02:26 PM

I heartily agree with you again bodhisattva yoda! They look cool without being CGI. That is rare these days.

James

01-28-2003, 09:38 PM

piett-ish?? da "moidian"?

lame, but at the same time, funny!!

Timmo

01-28-2003, 11:13 PM

X-3P0 and I try our hardest.

X-3PO

01-30-2003, 09:02 PM

Amen

Rogue Sith

01-31-2003, 08:15 AM

Originally posted by X-3PO@Jan 25 2003, 08:25 PM
Anakin says that it has been a long time since he's seen padme. After the battle he goes home and we see two kids and the audience is made aware that they have some kids, perhaps secretly, if their whole marrige is a secret.

But I am under the impression that Anakin won't be aware of Padme's pregnancy and/or the birth of the twins. I foresee that the war will keep him from home for such a long period of time that her pregnancy will pass by without his knowledge.

X-3PO

01-31-2003, 11:39 AM

Yes! I keep forgetting the whole thing about Vader not knowing about all the kids. Well anyway the audience will be made aware of the kids at least, perhpas.

BEARlyworking

01-31-2003, 01:29 PM

[quote]Um, the new footage they are filming for the ultimate edition. all we know is that Padme is pregnant at the start of the movie, as quoted by Natalie herself.

I thought this "new footage" was proven to be a false rumor some time ago. Is this still just a rumor or has some new information surfaced?

I do believe that Nute still wants to see Padme die...but I don't think he will be the one to kill her - or even to have someone else kill her (ie bounty hunter).

I subscribe to the theory that the emperor will be involved in Padme's death and somehow pin the blame on the jedi...that would be something to turn Anakin against his cohorts.

Mothman

01-31-2003, 03:32 PM

Originally posted by BEARlyworking@Jan 31 2003, 11:29 AM
I thought this "new footage" was proven to be a false rumor some time ago. Is this still just a rumor or has some new information surfaced?
The "proof" that this is a false rumor was that Rick McCallum said that it will never happen. To me, that just pretty much guarantees that it WILL happen. (Don't trust producers.....They're just like politicians!) style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sly.gif

echoseven

01-31-2003, 03:44 PM

I really hope GL doesn't mess with the OT any more than he already has. Some of the special editions were ok, but I will never forgive GL for making Greedo shoot at Han first, that was so lame. The original scene was far cooler.
I really don't want to see any other ghosts at the end of ROTJ... I think it then starts getting stupid...

If they put out DVD's of the OT, I hope they include the original versions of the movies, along with an option to add the additional footage if you want to. I have always heard that there was a different edit of each of the original films in the Lucas vault... something like that would be cool too.

Mothman

01-31-2003, 03:55 PM

Originally posted by echoseven@Jan 31 2003, 01:44 PM
If they put out DVD's of the OT, I hope they include the original versions of the movies, along with an option to add the additional footage if you want to.
But what is the "original"? I've read that GL now considers the Special Editions to be the true versions of the OT.

Jacen Solo

05-15-2003, 06:37 PM

They were merely in deleted scenes in Episode II, but they might end up playing larger roles in Episode III. Do they know about Anakin and Amidala's secret wedding? Will they see Anakin falling to the Dark Side and try to protect Padme, only causing to anger Anakin even more? Will they survive, and if not, who takes their lives?

Only George Lucas and his pals know the answers to these questions, but there's always room for speculation.

Mothman

05-15-2003, 06:45 PM

Originally posted by Luuke_Skywalker@May 15 2003, 03:37 PM
Will they survive, and if not, who takes their lives?
Although we only get to see them in the deleted scenes, IMO they don't survive Episode III. Why? Because otherwise wouldn't it be logical for them to raise one or both of the twins if Padme is unable to? To me it would seem like the mother's family would be the first choice for something like this.

Darth Vegas

05-15-2003, 06:51 PM

The actress that played Padme's sister is signed on to reprise her role in Episode 3, but whatever they happens they'll have nothing to do with raising the twins I don't think.

Mothman

05-16-2003, 11:01 AM

Originally posted by TK-007@May 15 2003, 03:51 PM
The actress that played Padme's sister is signed on to reprise her role in Episode 3, but whatever they happens they'll have nothing to do with raising the twins I don't think.
Right. My point is that it would seem logical for the mother's family to raise her children if she was unable to. Assuming that that is true, I'm just taking it a step further in saying that they may not survive Episode III, since we know that Padme's children don't ultimately end up on Naboo with her family.

DblDwn

05-19-2003, 01:50 AM

Originally posted by Mothman@May 15 2003, 02:45 PM
Because otherwise wouldn't it be logical for them to raise one or both of the twins if Padme is unable to?
If they are trying to hide the twins then the last place to take them is to Padme's family. That would be too easy for the Empire to figure out.

James

05-24-2003, 01:23 AM

I think it kinda sucked how Padmé's family was cut out of ATOC

Havign a family would give Padmé much more depth (as a character). style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

Get rid of the meadow picnic, that was corny.

Well, having Sola in Ep3 would be dumb because she shouldhave been in AOTC anyway

SithWitch

08-05-2003, 01:52 PM

In the Original, it goes like this
"Your Father wanted you to have this
when you were old enough."

Maybe this is in another thread, but
I just saw an interview where Ms.
Portman complained that "everybody
else gets a light sabre" ... so I was
thinking .... maybe in episode III
she gets her hands on Anakin's ... um
thingie ... and gives it to Obi
who gives it to Luke

who gives? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blink.gif

Javen

08-05-2003, 01:57 PM

Well, when she complained she got a blaster. So it is possible that she gets his lightsaber. Or then again, amybe Anakin loses it in the battle between Obi Wan and he can't find Anakin, but finds the lightsaber.

Darth Vegas

08-06-2003, 12:59 AM

Well Sithwitch you weren't the first to say that here (that would be me style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif ).

Everyone who has Hyperspace know's about that really longscene between Anakin and Padme, I believe this scene will take place before the final battle of the Clone Wars, and in this scene Anakin will give Padme his old lightsaber as something for her to remember him by, as if he's saying goodbye for the last time.

Siamese Sith

08-06-2003, 01:55 AM

Hey Bond remember I had worked out possible dialog for that scene? What thread is it in? It was good stuff.

Darth Vegas

08-06-2003, 02:02 AM

Think that was when we went off topic in the Classic Trilogy Characters in Episode 3 thread.

DblDwn

08-06-2003, 05:11 AM

Originally posted by SithWitch@Aug 5 2003, 09:52 AM
maybe in episode III
she gets her hands on Anakin's ... um
thingie
Duh!

They do have twins after all style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

Siamese Sith

08-06-2003, 12:03 PM

I'm quoting myself here,
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>If Anakin does give the lightsaber to Padme I think the dialog should be as follows, and in the same tone as when Anakin left Padme at the Lar's homestead to find his mother.
Anakin: "here hold on to this Padme, I won't need this where I'm going." {Anakin boards ship for???}
Padme: "I love you"
Anakin: "I know"
If Hayden can do this scene seriously I think it would be another great way to tie in minor things from the OT.

Then later in the movie when Obi Wan returns from his duel with Anakin to and tells Padme Anakin is dead, she should hand the lightsaber to Obi Wan and say something to the effect of:
"Here Ben take this, it was Anakins, you should keep it as a way to remember."
Soon after Padme will commit suicide thinking Anakin is dead.
Now What Padme means by remembers is completely different than what Obi Wan will remember. [/b][/quote]

Mothman

08-06-2003, 02:44 PM

Originally posted by DblDwn+Aug 6 2003, 03:11 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(DblDwn @ Aug 6 2003, 03:11 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-SithWitch@Aug 5 2003, 09:52 AM
maybe in episode III
she gets her hands on Anakin's ... um
thingie
Duh!

They do have twins after all style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif[/b][/quote]
Double Duh! He does consider himself to be quite the swordsman! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

SithWitch

08-06-2003, 07:16 PM

Originally posted by TK-007@Aug 6 2003, 12:02 AM
Think that was when we went off topic in the Classic Trilogy Characters in Episode 3 thread.
"OFF TOPIC"... doesn't that
Sound like "going on a bender
instead of hitting the library," lol

bunch a fanboy drunks. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/w00t.gif

Darth Vegas

08-07-2003, 05:58 AM

Originally posted by Mothman+Aug 6 2003, 09:44 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mothman @ Aug 6 2003, 09:44 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'> Originally posted by DblDwn@Aug 6 2003, 03:11 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-SithWitch@Aug 5 2003, 09:52 AM
maybe in episode III
she gets her hands on Anakin's ... um
thingie
Duh!

They do have twins after all style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif
Double Duh! He does consider himself to be quite the swordsman! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif [/b][/quote]
They say Yoda's the best... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/crazy.gif

SithWitch

08-07-2003, 05:24 PM

It's Anakin or the Emperor.
But isn't this a bit off

topic?

Grand Admiral Thrawn

08-12-2003, 02:38 PM

Padmé Amidala Skywalker and Bail Organa
need some work. I hope they have a better relationship
in Episode III, otherwise people will be wondering
"Why give Leia to such a strange man?".
You never see them interact, or act like friends to each
other. SO they better work on that in Episode III.

Darth Vegas

08-12-2003, 02:48 PM

I think the reason has more to do with the friendship between Bail Organa and Ben Kenobi than with Padme Amidala.

But Bail is hardly a stranger to Padme, both being Galactic Senators, both being strongly against war, both living on planets that hardly have any weaponry.

It is clear to me (thanks to Hyperspace and some comments in this (http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/07/25/1059084201265.html) article) that at some point in the film Ben will take prego Padme and the droids into hiding with him, as they're all fugitives of the Empire.

We can expect Padme to be one of the founding members of the Rebel Alliance (which I believe will come about from the ruins of the CIS) along with Bail Organa, Mon Mothma, and General Kenobi.

JediBendu

08-13-2003, 02:27 AM

why would Bail stick his neck out for a senator he hardly knows and who's been bonking the Emperor's right hand man?

Darth Vegas

08-13-2003, 02:45 AM

I'm not in it for your daughter and I'm not in it for your revolution. I'm in it for the putty. I expect to be well laid! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

JediBendu

08-13-2003, 02:54 AM

:roll:

DblDwn

08-13-2003, 03:19 AM

Originally posted by JediBendu@Aug 12 2003, 10:27 PM
why would Bail stick his neck out for a senator he hardly knows and who's been bonking the Emperor's right hand man?
If you remember in AOTC, after the assassination attempt at the beginning, Bail is among the small entourage that accompanies Padme into Palpatine's office during his meeting with the Jedi. Just because they are not shown to be friends and close allies in AOTC doesn't mean that they are not. His being a part of that group shows that they were already allies against in some regard.

JediBendu

08-13-2003, 03:59 AM

allies are one thing, hiding a fugitive from the emperor, adopting her illigitimate daughter into his family, endangering the Royal House itself, is another.
They'd have to be some sort of setup scene that convinces the audience that Bail really would risk everything.

boy what a mistake he makes - his whole planet gets destroyed

DblDwn

08-13-2003, 04:25 AM

Originally posted by JediBendu@Aug 12 2003, 11:59 PM
allies are one thing, hiding a fugitive from the emperor, adopting her illigitimate daughter into his family, endangering the Royal House itself, is another.
They'd have to be some sort of setup scene that convinces the audience that Bail really would risk everything.

His being a part of her entourage in AOTC is enough to show me that they are at least friends at that point and I am sure that the extent to that which they are allies will only increase as the Empire draws closer and closer to formation.

However, as Bond said, if Obi-Wan asked Bail to raise Leia as his own, regardless of whether Bail knows about Anakin or not, then Bail would most likely accept because of their friendship which obviously grows as the war goes on.

bluemilk

08-13-2003, 04:52 AM

and like George said, Bail small but important role in AOTC was to make sure he was introduced because his role in Ep III is going to be pivotal.

Perhaps over the course of these three years Padme as formed an important alliance with Kenobi and Organa that we will see in Ep III.

AndyWanKenobi

08-13-2003, 05:22 AM

Originally posted by TK-007@Aug 12 2003, 12:48 PM
(which I believe will come about from the ruins of the CIS)
The Alliance has no connections to the CIS. It was started to reform the republic. The CIS was formed to destroy it.

Back on subject.....
Yeah like its been said before, it was probably done because of his friendship with Obi wan. I think orginally Obi wan was meant to be great hero among his world because of the clone war. So in a way its like a trade off because padme will possibly be the one to tell obi wan about the lars while he suggest bail? I dont know......

Darth Vegas

08-13-2003, 05:36 AM

Originally posted by Andy****enobi+Aug 13 2003, 12:22 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Andy****enobi @ Aug 13 2003, 12:22 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-TK-007@Aug 12 2003, 12:48 PM
(which I believe will come about from the ruins of the CIS)
The Alliance has no connections to the CIS. It was started to reform the republic. The CIS was formed to destroy it. [/b][/quote]
Are you George Lucas? I thought not.

The CIS had planned on building the Death Star too, and look what happened to that, now the plans are in the hands of the Supreme Chancellor, imagine what the CIS would do if they had to face a technological terror such as that, if there own weapons turned against them, that is just the case here.

If you've been paying attention the Republic of the PT is corrupt and it is becoming the Empire, the CIS are merely individuals being used by the Dark Lords of the Sith. What appears to be good is becoming evil (well it already is actually) and what appears to be evil is becoming good.

There are very obvious connections between the CIS and the Alliance, they're both a band of rebels, they're both fighting against the same enemy, they have the same goal, to get rid of the corrupt system of government that the Republic has become.

Now I'm not saying the CIS won't go through some jurastic changes in becoming the Alliance, they'll go through a complete change of leadership, but (some of) the thousands of systems that are part of the CIS will without a doubt help to create the Rebel Alliance.

You might note that one of those systems is Mon Calamari, at least in the EU, thought I'd bring that up since your info about the alliance exssiting to restore the Republic is obviously based on what you were told in the EU, when you should be looking to George's real inspiration: history.

jbird669

08-13-2003, 10:41 PM

Everyone who has read The Set Diary from 8/12/03, has been privy to a MAJOR piece of news: The word that Natalie Portman, a MAJOR PREQUEL CHARACTER, is finished shooting HALFWAY INTO PRODUCTION!
What does that mean? Well, obviously she isn't in the film as much as TPM or AOTC, so what does that reveal about her fate? THAT SHE DIES!! Why else would she only have six weeks of work on the last prequel? She certainly would be shooting longer if her character lives. If anyone saw TF.N's spoiler report titled "ANOTHER ONE BITES THE DUST," they would learn a big deal about a character's fate in relation to the actor's time on set. To me, it's more than a coincidence. This proves, to me, that Padme dies in EP III.

Gazelle

08-13-2003, 10:50 PM

Proves nothing - Anthony Daniels has finished too, yet C3PO doesn't die, in fact according to interviews with Mr Daniels, his role in Ep III is quite large.

Let's not be so naive as to think that a movie is filmed in order, from start to finish. Like any good business man, Lucas is going to make full use of the actors' time and send them home as soon as possible.

I don't know what all you "Padme will die" people are on about anyway - it is abundantly clear from the script from ROTJ that she lives.

What's your point???

Javen

08-13-2003, 11:01 PM

They still have alot of shooting to do. Padme doesn't die in EPIII.. Gl said himself that she doesn't die in this movie that there will be books made after EPII telling about what happens to her.

Anyway, They have shot for 30 days. They have other movie lives too.

Rogue_Jedi

08-13-2003, 11:37 PM

Once a "Padme will die" person in the past, I doubt she will be killed off in Ep.III.

From what Anakin told Padme in Ep.II, saying that the Republic would need her, I believe she will go on to assist Bail Organa in forming the Rebel Alliance, thus helping the Republic.

brookie

08-13-2003, 11:55 PM

hey guys,
i was thinking that in the classic trilogy, didnt Leia tell Luke that she remembers her mother being very sad? perhaps it was a step mom err something ... i dont buy that though.. I don't think she dies

Luvinna.

08-14-2003, 12:16 AM

Originally posted by Javen@Aug 13 2003, 08:01 PM
Gl said himself that she doesn't die in this movie that there will be books made after EPII telling about what happens to her.
Hey, Javen! Where did you hear that? I'd always thought that's how we'd learn Padme's fate.

DblDwn

08-14-2003, 12:18 AM

It is widely known, and has been confirmed by top people, that Episode III is more about the falling out between Anakin and Obi-Wan whereas AOTC was more about Anakin and Padme falling in love. That being said, it makes sense that she wouldn't be in the movie all that much. She will still be a key character but she isn't fighting in the war and she isn't involved in the various Jedi deaths that we will see so don't expect her to be a key character in this movie because you are setting yourself up for disappointment. Her main purpose in this movie is to start popping out babies and other than that she isn't really necessary to the progress of the story for this episode.

Javen

08-14-2003, 01:07 AM

Originally posted by Luvinna+Aug 13 2003, 10:16 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Luvinna @ Aug 13 2003, 10:16 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-Javen@Aug 13 2003, 08:01 PM
Gl said himself that she doesn't die in this movie that there will be books made after EPII telling about what happens to her.
Hey, Javen! Where did you hear that? I'd always thought that's how we'd learn Padme's fate. [/b][/quote]
Whoops, I said EPII instead of III. He said it in an interview. That's all I remember.

Darth Vegas

08-14-2003, 03:44 AM

Javen I recall hearing something similar myself as early as 1997, can't remember the source though. But he said something to the tune of not being able to show her death onscreen.

bluemilk

08-14-2003, 04:04 AM

Originally posted by DblDwn@Aug 13 2003, 08:18 PM
Her main purpose in this movie is to start popping out babies and other than that she isn't really necessary to the progress of the story for this episode.
exactly. She is important because she is a bridge between the PT and the OT but otherwise it's Anakin's story.

Darth Vegas

08-14-2003, 04:13 AM

I don't think it's quite that simple, she quite possibly one of the founding members of the Rebel Alliance, after being betrayed by Palpatine and co.

I recall a dream Anakin had in the TPM novel where Padme was leading an army against him...

bluemilk

08-14-2003, 04:15 AM

^ I don't question that her role is more robust then I stated otherwise, however, my point was she is not main protagonist of the story, therefore her role would be more supportive.

Darth Vegas

08-14-2003, 04:17 AM

Ok, but I don't think her role is going to be in any way diminished from what it was in the past 2 films, the fact that she is done filming for now doesn't proove anything in terms of what her role is and how long it is and what happens to her in the end.

DblDwn

08-14-2003, 04:18 AM

Originally posted by TK-007@Aug 14 2003, 12:13 AM
I recall a dream Anakin had in the TPM novel where Padme was leading an army against him...
I remember that.

That was the main reason I started considering that Padme was Mon Mothma. Ahh, the memories.

bluemilk

08-14-2003, 04:20 AM

Originally posted by TK-007@Aug 14 2003, 12:17 AM
Ok, but I don't think her role is going to be in any way diminished from what it was in the past 2 films, the fact that she is done filming for now doesn't proove anything in terms of what her role is and how long it is and what happens to her in the end.
I never said it did. I don't think she is going to die. In fact I've stated all along that I speculate that Anakin will believe she is dead giving her an 'out'

DblDwn

08-14-2003, 04:23 AM

Originally posted by bluemilk@Aug 14 2003, 12:20 AM
I've stated all along that I speculate that Anakin will believe she is dead giving her an 'out'
Hey Bond, that would mirror the Jedi believing Sifo-Dyas is dead so that does make sense.

Granted the Jedi believing Sifo-Dyas is dead already mirrors the obvious fact that the Empire believes that Yoda is dead in the OT.

Darth Vegas

08-14-2003, 04:31 AM

It really mirrors Obi-Wan's "certain point of view" that Anakin was dead.

DblDwn

08-14-2003, 04:32 AM

Originally posted by TK-007@Aug 14 2003, 12:31 AM
It really mirrors Obi-Wan's "certain point of view" that Anakin was dead.
I agree and that is the beauty of it.

Is it not?

Darth Vegas

08-14-2003, 04:34 AM

Yup, they all fell for that one too...

DblDwn

08-14-2003, 04:47 AM

Originally posted by TK-007@Aug 14 2003, 12:34 AM
Yup, they all fell for that one too...
:roll:

jbird669

08-14-2003, 11:12 AM

Originally posted by DblDwn@Aug 14 2003, 03:18 AM
It is widely known, and has been confirmed by top people, that Episode III is more about the falling out between Anakin and Obi-Wan whereas AOTC was more about Anakin and Padme falling in love. That being said, it makes sense that she wouldn't be in the movie all that much. She will still be a key character
All the more reason to have her die, so the relationship can deteriorate, which I believe will be part of the cause of Anakin's turn, since TF.N's spy report titled "another one bites the dust" dispels my other theory of Anakin and Dokku in a situation similar to Luke and Vader in ROTJ after Luke cut his hand off.

Gazelle, I am a filmmaker myself, and I know all about how movies are shot out of order. And along those lines, a lot of actors have come and gone, meaning THEIR TIME IN THE FILM IS SHORT.
Just because Leia has memories of her mother, at a real young age means she has them after EP III. The ealiest memory I have is at 11 months, so it is possible to remember her that little. Leia said she remembered thoughts and feelings, which is an obvious trait of a Force-sensitive person. Jedi are always being told in the saga to stretch out with their feelings or that their thoughts betray them. Perhaps she remembers feelings and thoughts as an infant due to the Force.
Hayden and Ewan are still on set, which means that they have big roles in the film, probably the two biggest. Christopher Lee has come and gone, save for pickups, and if you read the TF.N post, you will see what I am talking about. Natalie is done shooting cuz Padme is in half the movie. If her screen time is going to be the same as the last two, I would think she would have be in more than half of the shooting schedule. Why have her in half the film if she isn't going to die? Why just have her disappear from the film and have her fate explained in books? To me, that is irresponsible storytelling, having a main character's fate decided off screen. Take a film that isn't like Star Wars, that doesn't have the book publishing power, that is just a film and nothing else. It is a thriller starring Ed Norton, Don Cheadle, and Claire Danes. Don Cheadle is a bad guy. Claire Danes is in kahoots with the bad guy, but she is in love with Ed Norton and he with her. In the climax, Ed nabs Don Cheadle with the help of Claire Danes, who confesses that she is in cahoots with Cheadle. Norton goes after Don and gets him, and saves the day. At this point, the film ends. What the hell happened to Claire Danes? I would want to know. Does Ed turn her in, or does he forgive her and love her, and go to Cancun with her? We'll never know. We can ask the filmmakers, and all they say is, "they get together off camera." WHAT? WHY? SHOW IT ON THE SCREEN!! That is terrible storytelling and the movie suffers as a result. Same applies to Star Wars. Just because Lucas has built such a great thing with Star Wars that he can put a major character's fate in a book after the movie doesn't mean he should. Lucas has done a GREAT job with storytelling so far, and I doubt he will start messing things up now. THAT is why she HAS to die.

Javen

08-14-2003, 11:14 AM

Originally posted by TK-007@Aug 14 2003, 01:44 AM
Javen I recall hearing something similar myself as early as 1997, can't remember the source though. But he said something to the tune of not being able to show her death onscreen.
Yep, that is the one I am talking about.

Darth Vegas

08-14-2003, 11:17 AM

Originally posted by jbird669@Aug 14 2003, 06:12 AM
And along those lines, a lot of actors have come and gone, meaning THEIR TIME IN THE FILM IS SHORT.
No it doens't, just simply means she's done filming for now, there's is not even a slight insinuation that because she's done with princible photography that she dies in the film, and she does have more to shoot next year, I'm sure.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Christopher Lee has come and gone, save for pickups, and if you read the TF.N post, you will see what I am talking about.[/b][/quote]

TF.N is full of sh*t.

And may I ask why you felt the need to start yet ANOTHER thread asking about Padme's death?

jbird669

08-14-2003, 11:26 AM

I agree that TF.N is arrogant and they think they are all powerful, but they hit the mark on a lot of things the last two epsiodes, so I am going with them on it.

Bond, you're a young lad, and perhaps you have yet to experience something where you felt so strongly about something that you just HAD to talk about it and fight for it and defend it. That is what I am doing. I am not saying you are wrong or dumb for thinking Padme lives, but I am giving you reasons why I think she croaks. Besides, the boads get stale once in a while, I am spicing things up. It seems to get everyone going.

Now, if I am wrong, and she lives, and in 2005 the Galactic Senate exists, I will come and say that I was wrong, and that GL has become a bad storyteller. But until then, one can speculate. And, this is not meant to offend or rile you up, but if you are sick of Padme will die posts, then simply don't reply to them.