Making Shimraa Take His

[Handothrawn]

Well since the NJO is getting close to the end, anyone have any ideas on who will be the one to finish off Shimra.

I think Jacen and Jaina should double team him, and get the Bejesus beat out of them. But just before finishing the twins off Old Master Skywalker should hobble in and just beat the living **** out of him, just like he did rescuing Jacen on Belkaden. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/satisfied.gif

[RedMirax]

I think his own people will do him in...

[Luminara Skye]

<span style='color:royalblue'>Is it me or does Shimra seem to have some sort of force ability? But as for who will kill him is anyone's guess. But I think you're right, RM, his people will probably take him out. However he goes needs to be better than the way Tsavong Lah went. I would have thought him tougher to kill. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif</span>

[Shoma Barad]

Schmirra definately has some kind of Force ability. The description at the end of Destiny's Way makes that pretty clear (admittedly without actually saying it). If he does, do you think he can sense Jedi, or would he be blind to them, just as the Jedi are blind to the Vong?

I think the key to his downfall will be the Shamed Ones. They've been to big of a part of the series to throw away. There has to be a revolt, i think.

However, it might be equally important to remember that Jacen's goal in Traitor was to teach the Vong about compromise...

Mediatate on this, I will... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

~~Shoma

[jedisaber]

maybe he wont actually die, he might end up teaching the jedi a lot about what the force is in other galaxies, kinda like how vergere taught jacen about the YV

[JediKeri.]

What about those Heretic shapers of Shimirra's. I think they'll play a roll in revolt as well.

[James T. Skywalker]

Anyone ever think that Shimmra isn't the guy who is really in charge? What do people think about his relationship with Onimi? Could there be some underlying influence that he exerts on Shimmra, or is it just in my imagination (and in those of many members of the sw.com Community)?

Is Onimi the real one in control?

~JTS

[jade51999]

Nah,

But Luke needs to be the one to kick butt...
its his galaxy anyway..

seriously i think it has to be Luke..
with help from Shimmara's own people

[RedMirax]

I think you are right, JTS. That's why I think his own people will get rid of him. I can't wait to find out more about Shimmra.

[Shoma Barad]

Yeah, he's a very interesting character.

When he was first mentioned in the NJO, I had a terrible feeling... I thought "Oh no... they're going to bring back Palpatine again...!" LOL

Onimi might be a puppet master, of sorts... but I don't think he has Force ability.

The shapers... hmmm... i think the people will find out about the fraud of the eighth cortex... that will probably be what triggers it.. it means everything the Vong 'know' about their Gods is a lie. If I discovered that, I know I'd be pretty upset... (luckily, my God IS real, so I will never have that problem... hehehe! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif).

Keep an eye out for Force Heretic III: Shapers, Shamed Ones and Shmirra!!! lol

~~Shoma

[jedisaber]

yeah, it probably SHOULD be luke, but i dont think it will, cause of all that talk that luke and other older jedi are saying, that they have a feeling that they wont be the ones to end this war, but someone(s) from the new jedi order

[JediKeri.]

Those Shapers of the Eighth Cortex have got to know, that once they finish, Shimerra will do away with them.

[Whuffa]

I think that the revolts of the Vong will destroy their Empire, and that Jacen will kill Shimmra himself. He seems to be the Luke of the new generation.

[James T. Skywalker]

Originally posted by Shoma Barad@Nov 14 2002, 05:15 AM
Onimi might be a puppet master, of sorts... but I don't think he has Force ability.
Perhaps it is not the Force, as the Jedi know it, but perhaps it is rather the Vongsense that Jacen learned during his time with Vergere? Vergere explained it as the Force having different levels, and that the Yuuzhan Vong lived in a different level of the Force than the inhabitants of the GFFA lived.

So, perhaps Shimmra isn't using the Force (or Onimi, rather), but is actually using this Vongsense Force. I think it is entirely possible.

~JTS

[Brian]

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[Luminara Skye]

There seems to be more about Onimi than meets the eye. As Nom Anor is always wondering why Shimmra lets him have so much free rein. I think there is more there. ???

[Master Cephus]

There seems to be more about Onimi than meets the eye. As Nom Anor is always wondering why Shimmra lets him have so much free rein. I think there is more there.

You wanna know who Onimi is? It's Shimraa's twin!!! think about it. I can't remember which book it is, but it tells that in YV twins are very special. There were only like 2 sets ever. One of the sets was Shimraa and his twin. Shimraa 'killed' his twin. Maybe he didn't and decided to take his brother as a shamed one familiar??? any thoughts?

[Soontir Solo]

I think Traitor and DW have set the way for Jacen to be the one to kill Shimrra. Luke might do it, he might. Everybody knows he is the leader of the Jedi. But this is the NEW JEDI ORDER. The name of the series spells it out. It won't be an old Jedi to do such a thing, but a young one. And I think Jacen is the only one besides Luke who can do it. Jacen has a special destiny connected to the YV, Vergere said so and im inclined to believe her with everything that has happened. Jacen has to do it. Jaina got Tsavong Lah, and I think Jacen will get Shimrra. I kind of think Mara or Leia will kill Nom, if he is ever killed. He is so sneeky and intelligent that you never know.

[Plo Koon]

Killers:
Shimmra: Jacen
Onimi: Jaina
Selong Lian: Luke
Neeka Sot: Kyp
Seef: Corran
Yoog Skell: Tahiri
Jakan: Lowie
Machar Heng: Tenel
Tsaa Qalu: Mara

[Soontir Solo]

Thats interesting Plo. Would you care to explain why you think all that? And what about Nas Choka, he is the new Warmaster now. And Qurang Lah should be considered since he is probably the leading member of Domain Lah with Tsavong, Maal, and Czulkang gone. I especially want to know why Lowie will kill Jaken? I don't see any point of that. oh yeah and what about Nom ANor? You cant forget about him.

[Plo Koon]

Just guessing. And I'm one of the people who thinks that Nom will rebel against Shimmra.

[Master Cephus]

Has anyone ever thought of my idea about Shimraa and Onimi?
It was said in a book that it was crazy for him to pick a shamed one for a familiar....

[DarthSolo]

hmmm i thinkin Shimraa's doom will come from within maybe onimi! or SHimra! or Nen Yim and the 8th cortex shaper's or a Shamed One rebelion. i think this heresy really is gonna be a big plot point in the downfall of the Vong. maybe Nom Anor will convert eh? probably not though. or maybe Shimraa and a bunchof YV will go down in a big big battle. they arent the type to retreat! but i wanna get more up close and personal with Nas Choka the new Warmaster like we did with Tsvong! its gonna be fun!

[Strke Brelk]

The more I think about it the more sense your idea makes Master Cephus. Onimi is controling Shimraa, but since no one can see the strings, so to speak, Onimi can always walk away. He wins whether the war goes well or bad: if the Vong win, Onimi enjoys all the power of a conquering emperor; if the vong lose, Onimi lets Shimraa take the fall and begins manipulating whoever tries to take Shimraa down. If (read as 'when') the Vong find out their leader is actually a shamed one and Jedi, there's going to be all sorts of new weight to the Jedi heresy.

[Soontir Solo]

I think some of you may be overdoing this whole Onimi really controls Shimrra. Onimi has some influence but I don't think he controls Shimrra. And I highly doubt he is Shimrra's twin brother. I think Shimrra has seen that Onimi is very intelligent and keeps him for advise. He also is amused by him.

[Master Cephus]

Possibly but this is where I get this:
1) Onimi is a shamed one
2) it was said in what DW that it was outrageous that Shimraa being the supreme overload, would take a shamed one for a familiar
3) Having read in a couple of books how "regular" YV deal and feel about shamed ones, how would Shimraa even come into contact with him in the first place?

another thing, like I said it was stated that the whole twin thing in YV is VERY rare and every time one twin has killed the other, what if Shimraa didn't kill his, and just made him a shamed one? This would undermind Shimraa's power.

I don't know I could be wrong (probably am) but who knows we'll have to see.

[Strke Brelk]

Soontir, read the scene at the very end of DW again.
Shimraa is really depressed and questioning his worth as a Vong. Then Onimi tells him his "guests have arrived." "Shimraa felt his power flow into him..."
And then he gives this really manic speech of what the Vong need to do to win the war. It just seems like to abrupt a transition. Then when the advisors leave, Onimi and Shimraa burts into maniacal laughter and the book ends. There are two conclusions I can reach from this:
1.) Shimraa is mentally unstable
2.) Shimraa is Onimi's puppet and Onimi GAVE Shimraa the energy and charisma he needed to inspire the underlings to keep fighting.
Of course, if you take option 1, then that scene has nothing to support the "Onimi controls Shimraa" theory.
My point in all of this is that I don't think it's baseless speculation, you just may interpret the key scenes differently.
By November, all the speculation will be answered.

[Soontir Solo]

Yes indeed, by November all speculation will end. I've read the last scene in DW many times and I still think everybdoy is making too much of Onimi. Im not sure about him, but I don't think he has any real control of Shimrra, only some influence.

But with Star Wars you never know.

[Plo Koon]

Jacen will most likely kill duel with him using two sabers: His own, and Anakin's old one. That should teach the Vong to stay in their own galaxy. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sly.gif

[Soontir Solo]

Sorry Plo but im almost positive that Anakin's lightsaber was destroyed in Traitor. Ganner used it and im pretty sure they would have destroyed it after they killed him because its an abomination, or it might have been destroyed in that big explosion that occured when Ganner died. If it does still exist then more than likely the Shapers have it somewhere and are studying it for ways to better combat the Jedi, like better amphistaffs.

But Jacen will kill Shimrra, that much im all but positive about.

[Jediwan]

Originally posted by Master Cephus@Mar 3 2003, 10:25 AM
There seems to be more about Onimi than meets the eye. As Nom Anor is always wondering why Shimmra lets him have so much free rein. I think there is more there.

You wanna know who Onimi is? It's Shimraa's twin!!! think about it. I can't remember which book it is, but it tells that in YV twins are very special. There were only like 2 sets ever. One of the sets was Shimraa and his twin. Shimraa 'killed' his twin. Maybe he didn't and decided to take his brother as a shamed one familiar??? any thoughts?
No it was Tsavong Lah who had a twin and killed him

[Master Cephus]

I am still looking (been about 4 months since I read it) but I am pretty positive that Shimraa was the one with the twin.

ok found it. Star By Star page 255 last paragraph:
"My master, humans are not like Yuuzhan Vong. Twins are not an infrequent occurrence," Nom Anot said. In all of Yuuzhan Vong history, there had been only a few twin births--and these oly when the gods wished it so. In each instance, one had murdered the other in childhood, then matured to lead the empire through a time of grave crisis. Lord Shimrra himself had murdered his twin brother before growing up to have the dream that foretold the finding of this new galaxy. "Their birth suggests no special favor of the gods."

Case settled. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[Jediwan]

I think Shimra is a clone of a jedi who was captured in that expansion project mentioned in the dark force series.

[Jediwan]

Originally posted by Jediwan2000@Apr 20 2003, 04:02 PM
I think Shimra is a clone of a jedi who was captured in that expansion project mentioned in the dark force series.
and his "twin" was the "father".

[DarthSolo]

i thinkthat thinking about waiting till november to get the answers is making by brain jump out of a crack in my skull doing a dance at my feet and then lunging back into my skull throuhg my eyesockets! i think jag fel kills shimra not reeally. i dont know what to think but i wanna get that cd rom that comes with TUF!

[Soontir Solo]

Because of Vergere we all know that Jacen has a special destiny, that he is the chosen one in the new era. I would have to say that this means him defeating Shimra. Luke could do it but I think the fact that this is the New Jedi Order Series kind of ensures that a Jedi of the next generation will take the lead in resolving this conflict.

If not Jacen then I would say Nom Anor will lead the rebellion against Shimra and cause his death.

[Master Cephus]

Soontir, long time no see where you been?

I don't know about Nom Anor, he is too bent on becoming a God rather than anything else. But I think there are 2 maybe 3 possible choices for this:
1) Jacen
2) Zonama Sekot

and I still think that Shimraa's familiar Onimi is not what he seems. (Still thinking he is his brother)

[heeb]

"The Unifying Force"

Perhaps Jacen will be this "unifying force," him being the only person other than Vergere to see two parts of the Force spectrum. Perhaps he will help join the Yuuzhan Vong and the normal galaxy together through a connection that only the force can bring. I think Omini is simply a toy and servant for Shimrra. Shimrra seems to have things pretty much in control - it's his subordinates that screw everything over for him.

That's my two cents.

[DarthSolo]

I used to think that the GFFA and the YV might be able to live in peace, but i really dont anymore. If you read the summary for TUF on TOS then you saw its said that it was too late for the vong or the GFFA to turn back, so im thinking that one big battle will probably determine if the Vong die or are sent packing or if they take over the galaxy. Who knows.

[heeb]

Not even with the Heretics (especially the Shamed Ones)?

[sidious618]

Shimmra:Luke or Jacen
Nas Choka: Jaina
Onimi:himself
Nom Anor:A shamed one
Nen Yim:Mara

[heeb]

If anyone has a right to kill Nom Anor, it's Mara. Tahiri should kill Nem Yim.

[Marbleman]

i hope han and/or leia take out nom.

[Master Cephus]

You all forget how close Mara came to being killed by one of Nom's exploits. I say she slices and dices that motha up! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[Soontir Solo]

I have a feeling that Nom will survive this war completely. He has survived this far and he has proven that he is adept at finding the oppurtunities in any situation. I think he could be used as someone to stir up trouble in the Post-War days after the series is over.

But if he does die I would have to say that Mara has the most right to do it, but since this is the NEW Jedi Order I have a feeling it will be Jaina, possibly Jacen but his pacifistic ways make that unlikely.

[sidious618]

I think a shamed one will kill him as once the shamed ones find out that he is not in it for their best interests. Just picture an angry mob attacking Nom Anor. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[DarthSolo]

Maybe the GFFA will think hes dead like from an explosion but then hes not really so in post war stories he can play a roll.

I also think that Han needs to kill someone significant. How long has it been since someone without a lightsaber blasted someone between the eyes with a trusty DL-44. Han needs to get back in the action and what about Boba Fett?

[Master Cephus]

what about Boba Fett?

I hope he doesn't come in. That mug would have to be about what 60-70 by then? Remember that guy is no Christopher Lee style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

But really I hope he is not in the NJO series at all, not this close in the end.

[Marbleman]

Originally posted by Master Cephus@May 7 2003, 05:01 PM
what about Boba Fett?

I hope he doesn't come in. That mug would have to be about what 60-70 by then? Remember that guy is no Christopher Lee style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

But really I hope he is not in the NJO series at all, not this close in the end.
no boba in the njo.

still i have a feeling we havent seen the end of fett yet. just because alot of younger fans went fett-crazy during the star wars rebirth period a few years ago, doesnt mean hes any less of a bad-ass. wait till the njo is over, i have a feeling this clone stuff is going to come back to haunt the galaxy. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

[Soontir Solo]

Boba is just too old to be an effective character in NJO. The only possible thing I could think of him being is some leader of something like the Peace Brigade or another renegade fighting force that cares nothing for others. Leading a fleet or something, but he couldn't come back as a bounty hunter.

[Plo Koon]

Boba Fett: Maybe not
Dash Rendar: Yes
Kyle Katarn: He(2 hockey sticks) yeah

[Soontir Solo]

I highly doubt we will see Dash Rendar, that really wouldn't help the story line at all. Kyle Katarn is a possibility though because of him being mentioned in DW.

I want Corran Horn to kill somebody real important, like Nas Choka or another highly placed warrior. He killed Shedao Shai and I really think he has been left out of the series as of late (sadly). He needs to do something big to help end the war, killing Nas Choka would definitely do that.

[Plo Koon]

Obviously you haven't heard that Dash is trying to sabotage the Peace Brigade.

[sidious618]

Originally posted by Plo Koon@May 10 2003, 07:06 AM
Obviously you haven't heard that Dash is trying to sabotage the Peace Brigade.
Where did you hear that Dash is sabotaging the Peace Brigade?

[Plo Koon]

A few people on this board told me. I don't really remember who though.

[Soontir Solo]

You shouldn't trust any of it unless you have some kind of proof. The Peace Brigade doesn't need sabotaging because they were pretty much wiped out on Ylesia by Kre'fey's fleet, so I highly doubt that rumor about Dash is true at all.

Dash will not be in the NJO series, that is my official oppinion.

[Marbleman]

i dont think boba or dash will be in njo either.

if there are any books that will take place after the njo; i hope they have a book where boba fett "passes on" his legacy like jango to a new fett (either his clone or a skilled bounty hunter). that way the fett dynasty could continue to haunt the jedi.

there are a few good candidates worthy to take up the mandalorian armor. jainas friend zekk spent some time as a bounty hunter and actually teamed up with fett a few times, and i think fett might have been impressed. if zekk got discouraged with the jedi again, wouldnt it be convenient for him to take on the legacy of the mandalore warriors. . .

just a thought.

[sidious618]

Perhaps

[Soontir Solo]

I highly doubt that will happen Marbleman. Zekk is a full Jedi Knight now. He wouldn't do that to the Jedi like he did when he was just a kid.

[Marbleman]

Originally posted by Soontir Solo@May 12 2003, 10:18 AM
I highly doubt that will happen Marbleman. Zekk is a full Jedi Knight now. He wouldn't do that to the Jedi like he did when he was just a kid.
as i said, just a thought.

almost anything can happen though post-vector prime, as we have seen. i was just thinking of possible recruits for poor ole boba. . .

[Soontir Solo]

I just think the Boba Fett character won't, and shouldn't, be in any more books. I think bringing him back in the EU at all was stupid. He should have been left dead on Tattooine.

[Marbleman]

well according to EU he wasnt, so in the EU universe he is alive.

i do agree that he shouldnt be alive anymore, or at least not active. but i personally like bounty hunters and the fetts in particular. they are uber-cool characters, and just because the pokebrats were temporarily enthralled with fett doesnt mean he should be ignored. i thought some of the best dialogue and definitely most twisted plot goes to jeter's bounty hunter wars. for star wars, those were well written books. im glad fett was brought back for those at least.

[Soontir Solo]

I wonder what Callisto has been doing all these years? I wonder if she is actively fighting the Vong or just off in the Outer Rim somewhere ignoring the universe.

I think it would be really cool if Shimraa killed somebody, like a Jedi or a main character, just before Jacen could stop him. Then Jacen would fight and kill Shimrra. It could be really cool if they did it like Episode 1 did with Obi-Wan killing Maul than holding Qui-Gon while he died. Maybe Jacen will end up killing Shimrra after he fatally wounds Luke.

[CzulkangLah]

IF shimraa dies I think it'll be Nom Anor. And I hope that Tahiri kills Nen yim, and Lowbacca should be the one to kill Shedio Shai. or maybe bel Iblis's fleet could Take Shedio Shai. I havent' seen any of him much at all.

[Marbleman]

i was more into tsavong lah then shimrra as a bad guy. i wonder why they got rid of him that way, he had it coming for jacen and then jaina kills him. ??? i guess it was just to save nom anors tail.

at any rate, shimrra has no personal ties to any of the good guys. hes just the big bad vong leader, so when the fight comes luke will say

"nothing personal, shimmy, but you have to die."

and shimrra will respond,

"i agree. i mean that you have to die. but i have no beef with you otherwise."

:bored:

[Master Cephus]

you a funny man!

No the "fight" will be from Jacen or Zonama Sekot IMO...

[Marbleman]

yea i hope the focus is on jacen in the final battle, but i hope that shimraa himself is killed by the shamed ones. thats more personal for me, since theyve been oppressed by him for so long.

[Soontir Solo]

Just in case you didn't know Czulkang Lah, Shedao Shai has already been killed. Corran Horn defeated him in a duel in Dark Tide II: Ruin. By the looks of your post you did not know that.

I really hope Bel Iblis leads the final battle against the Vong. He is the greatest military mind the Galactic Alliance has, besides Ackbar maybe. Bel Iblis should lead most of the fleet in attack against the entire Vong fleet led by Nas Choka. That would be great.

[DarthSolo]

i wann see Nas Choka as much as we saw Tsvong Lah! id like to get to know the new warmaster.

anywayz, i think that the shamed ones will take down Shimraa, or something like that. mara deserves to kill Nom, but i do think that Jacen should do something. Bel Iblis leading the fight against Nas Choka would be sweeet!

[Soontir Solo]

Yes indeed, Bel Iblis all the way. We haven't seen nearly enough of him in NJO. He should definitely lead the last battle vs. Nas Choka

[CzulkangLah]

Originally posted by Soontir Solo@Jun 22 2003, 05:10 PM
Just in case you didn't know Czulkang Lah, Shedao Shai has already been killed. Corran Horn defeated him in a duel in Dark Tide II: Ruin. By the looks of your post you did not know that.

My bad soontir, I meant Nas Choka, the new Warmaster. I always mix up those damn Vong names. I'd like to see Wedge, Bel Iblis, Pallaeon, and Kre'Fey all working together in oe huge kick Ass fleet. That would rock.

[Soontir Solo]

That would be awesome Czulkang. WICKED!!!!!!!!1

[3rdgenerationfett]

YEAH BOY!