SPORTS: NCAA College Football

[DarthAnakin]

NCAA Football. I love my NFL but I think I love NCAA even more! Who's your guys' favourite college teams?

[DarthAnakin]

In NCAA news <span style="color:blue">A</span><span style="color:orange">u</span><span style="color:blue">b</span><span style="color:orange">u</span><span style="color:blue">r</span><span style="color:orange">n </span>destroys <span style="color:red">G</span><span style="color:white">e</span><span style="color:red">o</span><span style="color:white">r</span><span style="color:red">g</span><span style="color:white">i</span><span style="color:red">a</span>!

[DarthAnakin]

Also <span style="color:white">T</span><span style="color:orange">e</span><span style="color:white">x</span><span style="color:orange">a</span><span style="color:white">s</span> squeaks by <span style="color:blue">K</span><span style="color:red">a</span><span style="color:blue">n</span><span style="color:red">s</span><span style="color:blue">a</span><span style="color:red">s</span>

[Kapit]

university of michigan winning again today

ohio state is no match next week

[RollaFett]

Well, now that the college game is being included I guess I'll reveal that I'm a Miami Hurricane fan. I know that it doesn't go with me being a Philly fan. All I can say is that I jumped on the Cane bandwagon in the late 80's and have stuck with them. Not a difficult team to stick with, I know, but that's my story and I make no apologies.

[DarthAnakin]

I'm an <span style="color:green">O</span><span style="color:yellow">r</span><span style="color:green">e</span><span style="color:yellow">g</span><span style="color:green">o</span><span style="color:yellow">n</span> <span style="color:green">D</span><span style="color:yellow">u</span><span style="color:green"><span style="color:green">c</span></span><span style="color:yellow">k</span><span style="color:green">s</span> fan. I started following College Football when I was 15 and the second I saw Joey Harrington, Keenan Howry and Onterrio Smith play I became a huge ducks fan, i've stuck with them since but lately the times haven't been too great. I also like Maryland in the ACC and Auburn in the SEC.

[DarthAnakin]

Originally posted by JediKaputski@Nov 13 2004, 07:53 PM
university of michigan winning again today

ohio state is no match next week
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I agree, I think the Wolverines will handle the Buckeyes quite easily next week.

[DarthAnakin]

Originally posted by GollaFett@Nov 13 2004, 09:42 PM
Well, now that the college game is being included I guess I'll reveal that I'm a Miami Hurricane fan. I know that it doesn't go with me being a Philly fan. All I can say is that I jumped on the Cane bandwagon in the late 80's and have stuck with them. Not a difficult team to stick with, I know, but that's my story and I make no apologies.
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Nice win for Miami over Virginia this week, I actually picked Miami in my Yahoo Sports Fantasy College Football League.

[Soontir Solo]

I prefer NFL over NCAA anyday. The only NCAA team I really keep up with is Tennessee.

[Queso]

Hook 'em Horns!!

[DarthAnakin]

Originally posted by Soontir Solo@Nov 14 2004, 07:42 PM
I prefer NFL over NCAA anyday. The only NCAA team I really keep up with is Tennessee.
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The NFL can't match the atmosphere in a NCAA stadium( by this I mean stadiums in the SEC, Big 12, and Big 10).

[LegendoftheJedi]

Me, Im a huge Longhorns fan. Which is pretty bad given that I was born and raised in Arkansas. Anyone who remembers the old SWC might remember what a huge rivalry that was.

[DarthAnakin]

Originally posted by LegendoftheJedi@Nov 16 2004, 07:17 PM
Me, Im a huge Longhorns fan. Which is pretty bad given that I was born and raised in Arkansas. Anyone who remembers the old SWC might remember what a huge rivalry that was.
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Unfortunately I never got to see any SWC games, I hear it was a good conference though.

[LegendoftheJedi]

The SWC was pretty much the Big XII south and Arkansas. But there was a bunch of great games.

[DarthAnakin]

^ Yeah im sure Arkansas vs Texas, when Arkansas was still a top team, was a great game every year.

[BobPalpatine]

I'm a huge Longhorns fan. I was actually born in Austin, and my dad's family is from Texas. So we have a tradition of being Horns fans. Luckily I get to see them again next year when they play at Mizzou.

Longhorns are good this year, but not as good as I thought they were going to be. Not even scoring against Oklahoma is a big disappointment in my book. Oh well they should finish the year in the top 10, which is still pretty damn good.

[LegendoftheJedi]

Arkansas vs Texas was a battle every game, back in the day. But now if the Horns could only beat Oklahoma. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/banghead.gif

[DarthAnakin]

Originally posted by BobPalpatine@Nov 16 2004, 09:12 PM
I'm a huge Longhorns fan. I was actually born in Austin, and my dad's family is from Texas. So we have a tradition of being Horns fans. Luckily I get to see them again next year when they play at Mizzou.

Longhorns are good this year, but not as good as I thought they were going to be. Not even scoring against Oklahoma is a big disappointment in my book. Oh well they should finish the year in the top 10, which is still pretty damn good.
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Yeah they just barely squeaked by Kansas last week, a nice play by Vince Young for the TD at the end!

[DarthAnakin]

Originally posted by LegendoftheJedi@Nov 16 2004, 09:13 PM
Arkansas vs Texas was a battle every game, back in the day. But now if the Horns could only beat Oklahoma. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/banghead.gif
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Yeah it's like FSU vs Miami, they're both good every year but lately Miami wins it every time.

[DarthAnakin]

<span style="color:red"><span style="font-size:36pt;line-height:100%">Sooners' Stoops speaks out about 'agendas' in BCS race </span></span>

http://www.sportsline.com/collegefootball/story/7895370

Very interesting.

[LegendoftheJedi]

Yeah, Stoops is losing it...this is from ESPN.com

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Stoop-ing to a new low: Considering the gift title game last season for Oklahoma, Bob Stoops has got some serious chutzpah to imply that some ESPN analysts are pushing Auburn as the No. 2 team over OU because the network has a TV contract with the SEC.

Here's his quote:

"I'm saying I'm aware of what [ESPN's] contracts are with. Whether people are directed in certain ways, I'm not going to say that. I think all the people ought to be aware who their contracts are with and what some of their agendas may be."[/b][/quote]

OU has a hell of a team, dont get me wrong. But Auburn is far more deserving to be in the title game, in my opinion. For one thing, Auburn has had a much, much tougher schedule. OU has played what...maybe 3 tough games at the most? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/giveup.gif

[DarthAnakin]

Yea I would love to see <span style="color:blue">A</span><span style="color:orange">u</span><span style="color:blue">b</span><span style="color:orange">u</span><span style="color:blue">r</span><span style="color:orange">n </span>vs <span style="color:red">U</span><span style="color:yellow">S</span><span style="color:red">C</span>! I've been thinking about it for months, I think USC would win but I think Auburn is better than Oklahoma.

[Soontir Solo]

Too bad it probably won't happen because the the BCS is in existence. I think the reason I am not that interested in college football as compared to NFL is because of the BCS system.

[DarthAnakin]

Yeah the BCS hurts college football, a playoff system would be sooooo good!

[LegendoftheJedi]

Ive hated the BSC ever since it came into being. It doesnt even do what it says it does..some of the top eight (or whatever) wont even play in the "BSC" bowl games. It is still fashioned in the old way of making up the bowls.

ESPN Bowl Picks (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?page=04bowlpicks)
From the "experts". style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/giveup.gif

[DarthAnakin]

I would love a 4 team playoff system. Top 4 BCS teams play eachother 1 vs 4 and 2 vs 3. The winners would play for the National Championship, whatever Bowl Game that would be, this year the Orange Bowl, and the loosers would play for a different BCS Bowl. I don't think we have to throw away the BCS system, just modify it.

[LegendoftheJedi]

A playoff system would be the best bet, I have to agree. But I dont think that the BSC can ever be "fixed".

But enough about that. What do yall think about Spurrier taking over at South Carolina, IF Lou Holtz calls it quits...

[DarthAnakin]

^ Where did you hear that? The last I heard of Spurrier he was talking to the Athletic Director of Florida.

[DarthAnakin]

Just a few minutes ago I heard a saw a report on one of Canada's national sports stations about the Spurrier situation. They reported that unless Lou Holtz comes back for a 7th season at S. Carolina, Spurrier would most likely get the vacant head coaching position.

[LegendoftheJedi]

Well, its official...Spurrier is going to South Carolina.

Time for all of "The Swamp" to start crying...

[DarthAnakin]

Originally posted by LegendoftheJedi@Nov 19 2004, 06:51 AM
Well, its official...Spurrier is going to South Carolina.

Time for all of "The Swamp" to start crying...
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Well the AP reported that Holtz will retire, Spurrier will most likely get the job. Gator fans won't be too happy about this.

[LegendoftheJedi]

There are so many good rivalry games this weekend. Im going to have to keep my day open and just veg out in front of the tv.

Michigan-Ohio St

Auburn-Alabama

Florida-Florida St

Wisconsin-Iowa

Lots of good football to be seen! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

[DarthAnakin]

^ The Apple Cup is usually a good game as well. But this year both Washington and Washington St. suck so it won't be as good. I'm really looking forward to the Iron Bowl, Alabama has a chance to end Auburn's perfect season.

[LegendoftheJedi]

Yeah Auburn had better watch out. Bama likes to crowd the line. If they can take out Auburn's running game, Bama has a great chance.

[DarthAnakin]

Originally posted by LegendoftheJedi@Nov 19 2004, 02:48 PM
Yeah Auburn had better watch out. Bama likes to crowd the line. If they can take out Auburn's running game, Bama has a great chance.
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I hope Auburn wins though, like I said before I really want to see USC vs Auburn.

[LegendoftheJedi]

Well, Auburn beat Bama. But I dont think it was enough to edge out OU in the BCS. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/banghead.gif

Michigan could have blown their chances at the Rose Bowl with their loss to Ohio St.

I dont think I will ever understand the logic behind the BCS. I get more and more confused with each passing week. I give up on it.

Did anyone happen to catch the two fights at the Syracuse/South Carolina game? Brutal... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/duel.gif

[Kapit]

oh man, michigan, terrible!

down w/ wisconsin! go iowa!

[LegendoftheJedi]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>down w/ wisconsin! go iowa! [/b][/quote]

Tell me about it! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif For some reason I have always had some sort of grudge against Wisconsin, and I have no idea why... but the win by Iowa lets Michigan into the Rose Bowl. Talk about luck!!

[LegendoftheJedi]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Did anyone happen to catch the two fights at the Syracuse/South Carolina game?[/b][/quote]

I ment to say Clemson/South Carolina

[DarthAnakin]

Originally posted by LegendoftheJedi@Nov 20 2004, 08:02 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>down w/ wisconsin! go iowa!

Tell me about it! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif For some reason I have always had some sort of grudge against Wisconsin, and I have no idea why... but the win by Iowa lets Michigan into the Rose Bowl. Talk about luck!!
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What is it about Wisconsin that makes you guys hate them.?

[Kapit]

i don't hate them, i just wanted michigan in the rose bowl, and they made, so ROCK ON MICHIGAN!!!

BTW, matt lentz, number 67 on the mich offensive line, went to my high school, he graduated my freshmen year, and coincidentally it was the last year my HS varsity football team was good

[LegendoftheJedi]

I dont know what it is about Wisconsin...Its just always been some weird thing that has turned me away from them. Given that they have had some great teams in the past.

One week left until teams get picked for the bowls! Its going to be interesting to see how things end up... Especially in the 1, 2, and 3 spot.

[Master Cephus]

I wished Alabama would have won yesterday (we did techinally for 2 quaters style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue2.gif )

But now that Auburn is past Alabama, I hope they get the number 2 spot so they can play in the national championship. I think they are the best team in the nation. They have had about the toughest schedule in the nation, and they play in the SEC, which by far is the toughest conference in football.

[LegendoftheJedi]

Auburn, in my opinion, deserves at least a 2 spot. But the way they got the BCS setup, I dont think they will get the bump they need to jump up a spot. We shall see tomarrow when the new poll comes out..

[Master Cephus]

but remember that Auburn has another game next week with Tennessee...

that could be the push. They will tomorrow if all they have to do is just beat Tenn, or if they have to annihilate them...

[DarthAnakin]

Oklahoma can still loose in the Big 12 Chamionship Game, like they did last year. And I hope they do! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[LegendoftheJedi]

Tennessee could be the big game that Auburn needs to get the BCS points they need. But I think it will have to be a blowout.

As for Oklahoma, in the Big XII championship game they will be playing either Iowa St or Colorado. I really dont see any of those teams being able to hang with OU. But you also have to realize that if Iowa St makes it, they are coming off of a huge win against Kansas St, having scored 28 points in the 4th quarter.

[DarthAnakin]

^ Well if im not mistaken Colorado beat Oklahoma last year in the Big XII Championship Game so anything is possible. In all likely-hood though, Tennessee has a better chance at beating Auburn than does Colorado or Iowa St. beating Oklahoma.

[LegendoftheJedi]

Last year it was Kansas St who beat OU in the championship game. The only reason I remember that is because I got a friend who is a huge Sooner fan. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/barf.gif I had to give him a few choice words after that game. But I do agree that Tennessee has a much better chance of beating Auburn than OU losing in the Big XII. I do hope that Auburn goes out undefeated!

[DarthAnakin]

It looks like if all 3 teams go undefeated, Auburn will be left out yet USC will have the lowest rank of schedule. I thik the AP will continue to put USC at No. 1 because they're feel sorry for them.

[Master Cephus]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>It looks like if all 3 teams go undefeated, Auburn will be left out yet USC will have the lowest rank of schedule. I thik the AP will continue to put USC at No. 1 because they're feel sorry for them.[/b][/quote]

Playoff system...Playoff System...Playoff System

But really I can't for the life of me understand how USC can be at the top. It's like they are giving no credit that Auburn is in the SEC (the touchest conference in the nation) and they have beaten more teams in the top 25 (I think the teams average around #13) than Oklahoma (whose teams average like #18).

It's going to be a big shame if AU is not in the championship game...

It will show without a doubt that the BCS is exactly what it is without the 'C'

[LegendoftheJedi]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Playoff system...Playoff System...Playoff System
[/b][/quote]

Amen to that...I dream of the day!

[DarthAnakin]

Originally posted by Master Cephus@Nov 22 2004, 10:03 AM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>It looks like if all 3 teams go undefeated, Auburn will be left out yet USC will have the lowest rank of schedule. I thik the AP will continue to put USC at No. 1 because they're feel sorry for them.

Playoff system...Playoff System...Playoff System

But really I can't for the life of me understand how USC can be at the top. It's like they are giving no credit that Auburn is in the SEC (the touchest conference in the nation) and they have beaten more teams in the top 25 (I think the teams average around #13) than Oklahoma (whose teams average like #18).

It's going to be a big shame if AU is not in the championship game...

It will show without a doubt that the BCS is exactly what it is without the 'C'
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Yeah the writers feel sorry for USC not going to the Championship game last year, so they will keep them at No. 1. Auburn has done what they need to get to the BCS Championship game, IMO they should be there.

[LegendoftheJedi]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Associated Press
COLUMBIA, S.C. -- Clemson and South Carolina will not accept bowl bids, punishment for players who brawled toward the end of Saturday's game.

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To harsh of a "punishment"?

[DarthAnakin]

^ No, they deserve what they got 100%!

[DarthAnakin]

A great article about Lou Holtz's retirement:

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/news;_ylc=X3...ov=ap&type=lgns (http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/news;_ylc=X3oDMTBpMmgzc2pzBF9TAzk1ODYyMzAwBHNlYwN0 aA--?slug=ap-holtzretires&prov=ap&type=lgns)

[LegendoftheJedi]

Just a quick mention of NCAA history...today is the 20th anniversary of Flutie's last second bomb into the endzone putting Boston College over Miami. I was a little young to remeber watching it on tv, but man I love watching that game on ESPN Classic whenever it comes on!

[DarthAnakin]

^ Yeah Flutie was alaways exciting to watch. I got to see him play many times while he played for the Stampeders here in the CFL.

[DarthAnakin]

Spurrier signs a 7 year deal with S. Carolina:

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/news;_ylc=X3...ov=ap&type=lgns (http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/news;_ylc=X3oDMTBpMmgzc2pzBF9TAzk1ODYyMzAwBHNlYwN0 aA--?slug=ap-scarolina-spurrier&prov=ap&type=lgns)

[Crazydude]

Everyone hear Michigan is going to the Rosebowl? Itsn't that sweet?!

[DarthAnakin]

A number of teams have already accepted bowl bids.

[LegendoftheJedi]

This weekend will be a big one to see how the bowls line out. For instance, if Texas gets a big win on Friday, they could get a jump to top out Cal and get a bid to the Rose Bowl.

[DarthAnakin]

North Texas - New Orleans Bowl
Ohio St. - Alamo Bowl
N. Carolina - Continental Tire Bowl
Navy - Emerald Bowl (previously the San Francisco Bowl)
Purdue - Sun Bowl
Wisconsin - Outback Bowl
Iowa - Capital One Bowl
Michigan - Rose Bowl

So far, these are the teams that have confirmed thier bowl games.

[DarthAnakin]

UTEP - Houston Bowl

[DarthAnakin]

What Friday game do you guys think will be the best:

Texas A&M vs Texas
LSU vs Arkansas
Colorado vs Nebraska

Stupid question, of course Texas A&M vs Texas!

[LegendoftheJedi]

Yeah I have to go with Texas and A&M. go Horns by the way...But I live in Arkansas. Arkansas/LSU is being played in Little Rock, where Houston Nutt is 17-0. I think that is going to be a big enough factor in the game though. Matt Jones is limp with a hurt groin. So hes not 100%. Im just glad that the Texas game starts 1 hour after the Hogs... I think that it will already be over by then. But Arkansas has pulled it off against LSU before. Stranger things have happened.

As for Colorado-Nebraska style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/barf.gif

[DarthAnakin]

^ Yeah I remember watching Colorado vs Nebraska 3 years ago when Nebraska went into it undefeated, then Colorado destroyed them yet Nebraska went to the National Championship game without even playing in thier own Confrence Chapionship game. Ahhh yes, after that game I realized there was something terribly wrong with the BCS, also to me that loss was the beginning of the end for the Nebraska football program, it's been all downhill since. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[DarthAnakin]

Colorado is leading Nebraska 17-0 in the 2nd Quarter. Go Buffalo's! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[DarthAnakin]

The USC vs Notre Dame great was awesome, for everyone who's not a Notre Dame fan. Actually I be alll the Auburn fans were cheering for Notre Dame! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

[LegendoftheJedi]

I got to give it to Notre Dame though, they hungin there longer than I thought they would. Its going to be interesting to see how the BCS is going to play out. Lots of arguments are going to be made this week.

[DarthAnakin]

Originally posted by LegendoftheJedi@Nov 28 2004, 12:41 AM
I got to give it to Notre Dame though, they hungin there longer than I thought they would. Its going to be interesting to see how the BCS is going to play out. Lots of arguments are going to be made this week.
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Yea Notre Dame actually lead 7-0 and 10-3 in the 1st quarter, but it was all downhill after that.

[DarthAnakin]

Wow right now it looks like Pittsburgh vs. Utah will be the matchup in the Fiesta Bowl, that's one game I could care less about.

What I want to know is how is it possible for Mack Brown and Texas to have 5 straight 10 win seasons and yet they haven't had a chance to play for a BCS Bowl in that run, another reason why the current system doesn't work! Ok I don't care if Pittsburh won the Big East or not, the Big East sucks this year plain and simple, why should they get to play for a BCS Bowl just because they won the Big East when everyone knows that Texas is much better!

[LegendoftheJedi]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>What I want to know is how is it possible for Mack Brown and Texas to have 5 straight 10 win seasons and yet they haven't had a chance to play for a BCS Bowl in that run, another reason why the current system doesn't work! Ok I don't care if Pittsburh won the Big East or not, the Big East sucks this year plain and simple, why should they get to play for a BCS Bowl just because they won the Big East when everyone knows that Texas is much better! [/b][/quote]

With the current system they got I only have to give you two letters to tell you why Texas is getting the shaft...OU. That game holds way too much weight in this system..its pretty style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/censored.gif up.

[DarthAnakin]

^ Oklahoma did shut them out this year but Texas also managed to hold the OU offence as well. I couldn't care less if OU beat Texas 50-0, Texas is still much better than Pittsburgh and the BCS doesn't work at all, it's too style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/censored.gif up!

[LegendoftheJedi]

Yeah I know OU shut out Texas but there wasnt a TD scored until late in the fourth quarter. All it was was a couple of FG's made by OU. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/banghead.gif But they kept Adrian Peterson out of the endzone, though he racked up alot of yards and for the most part they kept OU's passing game to a minimum. A loss is still a loss and playing in the same conference as one of the best teams in NCAA football is tough to overcome.

One of my biggest complaints against the BCS system is that in the "BCS" bowl games, shouldnt the BCS leaders play there? Another reason that this system doesnt work.

[DarthAnakin]

Well im wondering why, after Miami and Virginia Tech left the Big East, it was still a BCS conference? It had just lost it's top 2 programs, and now with Boston College leaving this year, it shouldn't be a BCS conference.

[DarthAnakin]

West Virginia- Gator Bowl
Minnesota- Music City Bowl
Louisville- Liberty Bowl
Notre Dame- Insight Bowl
UAB- Hawaii Bowl
Cincinnati- Fort Worth Bowl
Southern Miss- New Orleans Bowl

[Master Cephus]

What conferences are BCS conferences? Why is their BCS conferences anyways?

If the system was right, wouldn't strength of schedule figure out which conference would produce BCS teams?

I have one word: PLAYOFFS!

If you think about it, you could use the bowl system as the playoff system...use the BCS system (with a little tweaking) to rule the regular season top 16 teams. Then use the lower level bowl games for 1 and 2 rounds...then let the BCS bowl games allow the semifinal and championship games.

You say something about money? How about the teams who play in the bowl have to give their money (minus a small share) to their respected conference and they can distribute it the way each conference sees fit. This way, a lot of schools could benefit from one team in their conference getting into the playoffs (thus solving the amount of teams needed bowl bids for the money) and then the better the team does, the more money the school and conference gets...

hmmm great plan!

[DarthAnakin]

BCS Confrences are:

SEC
Big 10
Big 12
Big East
Pac 10
ACC

Strength of schedule supposedly is no longer taken into account, if it was USC probably wouldn't be No. 1 because both Auburn and Oklahoma have much tougher schedules.

[Master Cephus]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>SEC
Big 10
Big 12
Big East
Pac 10
ACC[/b][/quote]


I just don't understand that...you would think that strength of schedule would take care of this...because you can't say before a season that this conference is going to be a tougher conference (think Auburn last year). Strength of Schedule is re-calculated every week and accounts for this.

[DarthAnakin]

Honestly the best way to fix this all would be a playoff, but it's highly unlikely. Remember these are student athletes and it would be hard to ask them to play another 1-however many games needed. I would love to see a playoff system, but I just can't see it happening anytime soon.

[DarthAnakin]

Hey has anyone heard the news about a possible 5th BCS Bowl?

[Master Cephus]

Ok let's look at this:
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SEC:
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Auburn - 3
Florida - 22
LSU - 11
Tennessee - 15
Georgia - 7

Big 10:
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Wisconsin - 17
Ohio State - 25
Michigan - 14

Big 12:
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Oklahoma - 2
Oklahoma St - 25
Texas - 5
Texas Tech - 21
Texas A & M - 20

Big East:
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Pittsburgh - 23

PAC10:
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USC - 1
Cal - 4
Arizona St - 19

ACC:
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Virginia Tech - 12
Virginia - 18
Miami - 10
FSU - 16
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I got the rankings from the latest BCS standings (11-29-04)

Looking at the above, how in the world could the PAC10 and the Big East be a BCS conference???

[Master Cephus]

oh yeah, the school - <BCS ranking>

[Soontir Solo]

I wont' watch college football till they institute a playoff system. Even now Auburn should be in the championship game but they won't be. Its just pathetic. You'd think the NCAA would wisen up and realize everybody hates the system and a playoff system would make them more money anyways.

[Edgeomatic]

I would normally have OU as my favorite team ,but this year i gotta go with Syracuse and my boy Diamond Ferri (When he went to highschool, I went to his games evn though I was around eight or nine. He even played cathc with me once. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[DarthAnakin]

Originally posted by Master Cephus@Nov 29 2004, 04:58 PM
Looking at the above, how in the world could the PAC10 and the Big East be a BCS conference???
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Well the Pac 10 is a BCS conference because they are usually strong: USC, Stanford , Arizona St., Cal, Oregon, Oregon St., Washington and Washington St. have all been in the top 25 in the last 3 years!

[DarthAnakin]

Originally posted by Edgeomatic@Nov 29 2004, 07:55 PM
I would normally have OU as my favorite team ,but this year i gotta go with Syracuse and my boy Diamond Ferri (When he went to highschool, I went to his games evn though I was around eight or nine. He even played cathc with me once. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif
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I was cheering for Syracuse last weekend, and holy style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/censored.gif, they destroyed Boston College as well as thier Confrence Champioship and BCS Bowl hopes! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[DarthAnakin]

<span style="font-size:36pt;line-height:100%"><span style="color:blue">Tyrone Willingham Fired:</span></span>
http://www.sportsline.com/collegefootball/story/7945874

Willingham's record after 3 years was 21-15, not good enough for a Notre Dame coach.

Possible replacements

Urban Meyer
Butch Davis

[Dutch]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Honestly the best way to fix this all would be a playoff, but it's highly unlikely. Remember these are student athletes and it would be hard to ask them to play another 1-however many games needed. I would love to see a playoff system, but I just can't see it happening anytime soon. [/b][/quote]

Every other division (1-AA,2, and 3) does it and I think those kids are more "student-athletes" than the pieces of meat that play for the Division 1 football factories.

In fact, all those other playoffs are FINISHED before the bowls even start.

It would definitly be do-able if not for the greed of the people running the bowls and the greed of the colleges themselves.

[DarthAnakin]

^ Thats true, all other divisions do have playoffs. And it would be possible to have the playoffs right after the regular season and still be able to finish the season in early January. I honestly don't know why they don't just install a playoff system, all I know is that it's going to be a while before anything changes.

[DarthAnakin]

Who do you guys think will win the Heisman this year?

a) Alex Smith
b) Matt Leinart
c) Adrian Peterson
d) Jason White
e) Other

I think Jason White will win it, even though I don't think he should. Peterson probably won't win because he's a Freshman.

[DarthAnakin]

Urban Meyer signs a 7 year, $14 million deal with Florida:

http://www.sportsline.com/collegefootball/story/7956954

[DarthAnakin]

USC barely squeaks by UCLA
Auburn beats Tennessee by 10
Oklahoma hammers Colorado

Looks like we'll be seeing USC vs Oklahoma at the Orange Bowl. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif

[LegendoftheJedi]

Adrian Peterson is going to get the Heisman before his college career is over, but not this year. The voters just dont like freshman. I think White is going to win it again. Leinart had a great year, but the couple games that USC struggled didnt help him out. As for Alex Smith, give me a break. What a tough conference to put up numbers in... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/barf.gif Cedric Benson was my pick before the year started, he put up some huge numbers once again, but Peterson overshadowed him.

As for the championship..in my opinion, they might as well give the trophy to OU. I know USC has a great team, dont get me wrong. Bafter watching the OU/Colorado game, I think the Sooners are way too strong. Colorado was lucky to even get points on the board.

[DarthAnakin]

^ I don't think Adrian Peterson will win the Heisman next year because:

A) He's a good RB, but he's got a great o-line and 3/5 of them are entering the draft this year.
B) Once White and Clayton leave OU will not be as big of a threat through the air, defences will know that OU is going to run and he won't have as good of a year.

If they can build up thier o-;ine again than he has a chance to win the Heisman in his JJunior or Senior year, but definitely not next year.

As for USC vs OU, I hate OU but I will admit the game is going to be awesome. Leinart vs White, Bush vs Peterson, wow this is going to be a great game! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[LegendoftheJedi]

I also think it will be a couple of years for Peterson to get the Heisman. I was just saying that I think he will win it before he hits the NFL. I am 100% with you on the hate toward OU. But man they are one strong team. USC had better watch out. Its going to be interesting to see who set screwed the most at bowl selection sunday.

[DarthAnakin]

Originally posted by LegendoftheJedi@Dec 5 2004, 02:41 AM
I also think it will be a couple of years for Peterson to get the Heisman. I was just saying that I think he will win it before he hits the NFL. I am 100% with you on the hate toward OU. But man they are one strong team. USC had better watch out. Its going to be interesting to see who set screwed the most at bowl selection sunday.
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Yeah I wanted to see USC vs Auburn only because I hate OU so much, but I know it will be a great game.

[LegendoftheJedi]

Its official....

Orange: USC-Oklahoma
Sugar: Auburn-Virginia Tech
Fiesta: Utah-Pittsburg
Rose: Michigan-Texas


Complete bowl listings-->Bowl Schedule (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=1790325)

[DarthAnakin]

Looks like Cal couldn't hold off Texas. The Rose Bowl should be a good matchup.

[Soontir Solo]

Man I hate the BCS. Pittsburg gets a major bowl and they are barely ranked in the Top 25. The system is so screwed up. Its pathetic.

[DarthAnakin]

Well atleast Texas didn't get screwed over this year.

[Soontir Solo]

But Auburn did. They just need to switch to where the Top 8 teams have playoffs. That is the only way to solve the problem.

[DarthAnakin]

I don't think Auburn necessarily got screwed, they were the 3rd best team in the nation.

[DarthAnakin]

I'm still saying a 4 team playoff system would be the best. No way 8 teams deserve a shot at it. Plus the more teams, the greater the chance of injuries.

[Soontir Solo]

8 teams assure that everyone who has a legitimate shot gets there shot though. I don't know if a 4 team playoff would do that. Look at Utah, they were undefeated and if it was only a 4 team playoff it still wouldn't give them there legit shot.

And I think Auburn was screwed. The SEC is easily the hardest conference and they took everyone out decisevly.

[DarthAnakin]

Your honestly telling me that you think Georgia and Virginia Tech deserve a shot at the National Chanpionship. I mean honestly, they were damn good teams, but not at the level as the top 3, 8 teams is too much.

[Soontir Solo]

If Georgia and Virginia Tech didn't deserve it then they would lose in the playoffs, at least with 8 teams no one who deserves a shot would get screwed over.

[LegendoftheJedi]

I have to give props to just about every coach in the NCAA. Even the coaches of USC and OU say that the BCS is messed up. Its just going to be a long time before we see any major changes. Im just glad my Horns made it into the Rose Bowl!!

I have to agree with the SEC being the toughest conference. Being from Arkansas I get to watch a couple of great great games every week.

[DarthAnakin]

^ Yeah Tommy Tubberville and the rest of the Auburn team took the news with class. Unlike Bob Stoops who went off on the BCS a few weeks ago.

[DarthAnakin]

Hey did any of you guys watch the Virginia Tech vs Miami game, it was really exciting and went down to the 4th quarter! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[LegendoftheJedi]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>"I thought it was a little classless how Coach Brown was begging for votes after the [Texas A&M] game," Rodgers said. "I think a team's record and the way you play should speak for itself, and you shouldn't have to complain about the BCS system. Coach Tedford isn't going to, although he's frustrated just like we are. I think we're a bigger team, classier than that."

[/b][/quote]

And so the complaining from coaches begin. I guess what I said earlier was a bit too soon.

[DarthAnakin]

^ Yeah looks like it.

[DarthAnakin]

So now that Urban Meyer has signed with the Gators, who do you guys think will be the next head coach of the Fighting Irish?

[Virus]

ahhh, with 3 teams in the top 3 that are undefeated and only two going to the national championship, this is yet another reason why College Football fails

[DarthAnakin]

Originally posted by Virus@Dec 6 2004, 06:35 PM
ahhh, with 3 teams in the top 3 that are undefeated and only two going to the national championship, this is yet another reason why College Football fails
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Explain to me how college football fails. I see the BCS failing, but not the sport of college football it self. And btw, there were 5 undefeated teams.

[Virus]

Originally posted by DarthAnakin+Dec 6 2004, 08:40 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(DarthAnakin @ Dec 6 2004, 08:40 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-Virus@Dec 6 2004, 06:35 PM
ahhh, with 3 teams in the top 3 that are undefeated and only two going to the national championship, this is yet another reason why College Football fails
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Explain to me how college football fails. I see the BCS failing, but not the sport of college football it self. And btw, there were 5 undefeated teams.
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[/b][/quote]

oh I know there's 5, but the latter two don't count. Going 11-0 in a crap conferense and never playing one single ranked team does not allow you to be top 10. There's teams that play in the ACC or SEC or Big Ten that are forced each year to play hard teams cause they want a bowl game, these other crap conferences are giving out bowl games. Its bull

Its ruining football cause there's no sole winner. Simple as that. They need a playoff system

[DarthAnakin]

Well I think we've all agreed that there needs to be a playoff system, I think the BCS got it right this year, people wanted Auburn because of what happened to OU last year. Well last year has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with this year. USC and OU were the 2 best teams period.

[Virus]

^sure, keep telling yourself that. Too bad Auburn did play more ranked teams. But my opinion is that there is no two teams that should be in it. Too many good ones to choose from

[Soontir Solo]

Auburn had to beat a good Tennessee team twice, beat Florida, and beat a damn good Georgia team. And there are still the other SEC teams who are all decent. They had the hardest schedule and beat everyone with relative ease. It can't be said that OU and USC are the two best teams because a stupid computer says so. Only a playoff could prove who the better team was.

[DarthAnakin]

Virus ans Soontir Solo, sure the BCS computer put USC vs OU in the Orange Bowl but you guys seem to forget that the AP voters as well as the ESPN/USA Today voters both had USC and OU as no. 1 and no. 2 respectively. This says that the coaches and the most knowledgable people believed USC and OU were the best teams.

This situation is completely different from last years. Last year the human polls had USC in the top 2 while the computers did not, thats why there was an uproar. This year the computers and the humans agreed that USC and OU were the 2 best teams. Instead ofd just blaming the computers for putting USC and OU there and arguing that Auburn played in a much tougher conference schedule, you should remember that the human voters realized all 3 teams' schedules, and still put USC and OU in the Orange Bowl. I guess what im trying to say is that if you guys are so pissed that Auburn didn't get in, you should first blame the human voters rather than just jump on the bandwagon and blame the computers (sorry about my choice of words style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif still friends? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif).

[LegendoftheJedi]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>It can't be said that OU and USC are the two best teams because a stupid computer says so. Only a playoff could prove who the better team was. [/b][/quote]

Totally agree. IMO USC is overrated. They have a good team, dont get me wrong, but I dont see them being able to handle OU or Auburn. I guess that we will have to wait until Jan 4 to see if they prove me wrong.

I have totally given up on the arguement to introduce a playoff system into the mix. It will be many, many years, if ever, until we see it happen. Very unfortunate! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thud.gif

[Soontir Solo]

The AP Vote and ESPN/USA Today poll is messed up too. I am not saying the coaches and stuff are arne't knowledgable but these polls still dont' change the fact that only a playoff can truly decide who the best team is. We won't know if Auburn was better now. A playoff is the only way to go...........they need to just follow how NCAA Basketball does it, except on a smaller scale. All the problems would be solved and the NCAA would make more money because of more games.

[DarthAnakin]

^ It'll be a while before a playoff system is instaled.

[Soontir Solo]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6664725/

Check out this article by Michael Wilbon. Awesome article that explains why the BCS sucks and why an 8 playoff is needed.

[DarthAnakin]

^ Wilbon rules, do you watch PTI?

[Vibroblade]

My problem this year isn't so much that USC and OU are playing for the championship as "why" they're playing for the championship. Most everyone agrees that USC got screwed last year and that's the primary reason that Auburn is getting screwed this year. Auburn would have jumped into the number two spot to play OU if not for the reservations of the voters against the possibility as being seen as biased against USC.

[DarthAnakin]

Ron Zook get's the head coaching job at Illinois.

http://www.sportsline.com/collegefootball/story/7970603

[Soontir Solo]

Yeah I watch PTI whenever I can DarthAnakin. It is definitely my favorite sports show to watch. I like Around the Horn too.

Wilbon hates the BCS and I agree with everyone of his reasons. It is ruining college football on the national level.

[LegendoftheJedi]

My biggest gripe...

4 "BSC" bowl games, shouldnt the top 8 teams be there. Where does Pit come in?

My head hurts trying to figure the BCS out. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/banghead.gif

[DarthAnakin]

Originally posted by Soontir Solo@Dec 7 2004, 03:12 PM
Yeah I watch PTI whenever I can DarthAnakin. It is definitely my favorite sports show to watch. I like Around the Horn too.

Wilbon hates the BCS and I agree with everyone of his reasons. It is ruining college football on the national level.
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Yeah PTI is the best sports show that i've seen out there, I've never seen Around The Horn though, it's also by ESPN right?

[Soontir Solo]

Yeah, Around the Horn comes on right before PTI. It is pretty good.

Legend, Pitt and Virginia Tech shouldn't be playing in any BCS Bowl games, its pathetic that they are. Pitt has actually lost 3 games this year, yet a team like Boise State is undefeated and you have California who has only lost 1 game, and that game was against USC and they only lost by 6, who doesn't get a bowl game. The system is just screwed up.

[DarthAnakin]

Actually I don't have a problem with Virginia Tech playing in a BCS bowl game. They won a conference that included Miami, Florida St. and Virginia. N. Carolina, Clemson and Georgia Tech were also bowl eligible. 7 bowl eligible teams ain't bad considering the SEC, Big 10 and Big 12 also had 7 bowl eligible teams.

[Soontir Solo]

Virginia Tech shouldn't have been in over California or Boise State. And I know Boise State isn't in a major conference but they were still undefeated and deserve the right to be in a Bowl Game. It wasn't that long ago when Miami wasn't a major college team, or Marshall for that matter. You can't hold there conference against them, they still went undefeated.

[LegendoftheJedi]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Pitt and Virginia Tech shouldn't be playing in any BCS Bowl games, its pathetic that they are. Pitt has actually lost 3 games this year, yet a team like Boise State is undefeated and you have California who has only lost 1 game, and that game was against USC and they only lost by 6, who doesn't get a bowl game. The system is just screwed up. [/b][/quote]

I totally agree that V Tech and Pitt shouldnt be there. There is just so much that need to be done to fix the BCS. Cal got the same screw job that Texas got last year, being 5th in the BCs poll and going to the Holiday Bowl. To me Boise St is a better team thatn Utah. The more I think about all this it just confuses me even more. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/banghead.gif

But I am glad my Horns are picking Roses... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif
Just like the reason I think that USC is still number one is the same reason that Texas is there... because of last year. Never should the previous year influence the current "selection" as much as it does.

[Soontir Solo]

It does though, when you have opinions and computers involved, rather than just a cold hard playoff this is what happens.

[DarthAnakin]

^ They were talking about the BCS again yesterday on PTI. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

[LegendoftheJedi]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>It does though, when you have opinions and computers involved, rather than just a cold hard playoff this is what happens. [/b][/quote]

Unfortunately that is so true.

--dreams of a day that playoffs really happen.... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thud.gif

[Master Cephus]

The reason why Pitt is in a BCS bowl game is because of the "BCS conference" garb that we talked about a couple of pages ago...

Auburn got shafted.

I don't think the Coaches Poll should count anyways because:
1) Coaches don't publish thier vote
2) Say you are the Tenn. coach. You have a list of players from around the region. Now if you had the option to vote one of your recruitment enemies, would you give it to them? How hard would it be to recruit against that? Think about that...
----

Now a lot of you guys haven't said about how Cal got SCREWED by everyone in the rankings...

Cal plays a tough Southern Miss team and beats them by 10. Maybe not a pretty win but a win. Now Texas is IDLE and they jump Cal in the rankings!?! How does that happen?

Now Texas does lose to OU, but they lost by a clear 12-0! Now you look at Cal... the only lost came from USC where they lost at the end of the game where the receiver dropped the ball....

How can anyone figure that?

[LegendoftheJedi]

I was listening to Jim Rome on the radio a bit earlier and he made a good point. Every team, no matter how you look at it, has an arguement of whether they should be here or there. But none of it matters until they get rid of the current BSC system and introduce a playoff. Nothing will be settled for sure until then.

[Soontir Solo]

I actually did mention Cal just a couple posts back Cephus, and how they got screwed.

And you ask how anyone can figure that out? You can't figure this out.

[DarthAnakin]

Originally posted by LegendoftheJedi@Dec 8 2004, 04:26 PM
I was listening to Jim Rome on the radio a bit earlier and he made a good point. Every team, no matter how you look at it, has an arguement of whether they should be here or there. But none of it matters until they get rid of the current BSC system and introduce a playoff. Nothing will be settled for sure until then.
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I love Jim Rome! I've been listening to his radio show for 6 years now! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[DarthAnakin]

So who do you guys want to win the Heisman? For me, anyone but Jason White. I think it will come down to Adrian Peterson and Matt Leinart.

I May hate OU, but I wouldn't mind this guy winning:
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[LegendoftheJedi]

- Adrian Peterson has 314 carries for 1,843 yards and 15 TDs.
- Matt Leinart is 251-of-377 for 2,990 yards with 28 TDs and 6 INTs. He also has
3 rushing TDs.
- Jason White is 231-of-354 for 2,961 yards with 33 TDs and 6 INTs.
- Alex Smith is 185-of-280 with 2,624 yards, 28 TDs and 4 INTs. He also has 120
carries for 563 yards and 10 TDs.
- Benson has 303 carries for 1,764 yards and 19 TDs. He also has 22 receptions
for 179 yards and a TD.

Well those are the stats. For some reason I dont think that Peterson will win it. The whole being a freshman and all. But it is between him and Leinart.

[DarthAnakin]

In all honesty I want Bush to win it. He's the most exciting player in college football, every time he touches the ball he's got a legitimate chance at scoring a TD. But unfortunately I don't think he'll win it.

[DarthAnakin]

The Final 5 for the Heisman have been announced, they are:

Matt Leinart, QB, USC
Reggie Bush, RB, USC
Jason White, QB, Oklahoma
Adrian Peterson, RB, Oklahoma
Alex Smith, QB, Utah

[LegendoftheJedi]

^ I cant believe that Benson got left off. Hes got about 80 yards less than Peterson with less carries but has more TDs. Too bad the team record influences the Heisman also. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/banghead.gif

[Soontir Solo]

I honestly would pick Alex Smith. His passing stats are just as good as anyone's, he got Utah to a Bowl Game (incredible for a non-BCS team), and he has those running stats with him too. 10 Rushing TD's with over 500 yards on the ground. Statistically he is the best in College Football.

[LegendoftheJedi]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Statistically he is the best in College Football.[/b][/quote]

To bad that doesnt matter in the world we know as college football.

We need to start our own SW geek union for changes in the NCAA. But where to start? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/giveup.gif

[DarthAnakin]

Originally posted by Soontir Solo@Dec 9 2004, 09:50 AM
I honestly would pick Alex Smith. His passing stats are just as good as anyone's, he got Utah to a Bowl Game (incredible for a non-BCS team), and he has those running stats with him too. 10 Rushing TD's with over 500 yards on the ground. Statistically he is the best in College Football.
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Unfortunately he put up these numbers against mediocre defences on mediocre teams.

[Soontir Solo]

The others on that list did too though, for the most part. Maybe 2 or 3 games were against good teams but that is it. And none of the QB's have the running ability he does.

[LegendoftheJedi]

Whatever happened to defensive players making the list for the Heisman? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/giveup.gif

[DarthAnakin]

Originally posted by Soontir Solo@Dec 9 2004, 04:54 PM
The others on that list did too though, for the most part. Maybe 2 or 3 games were against good teams but that is it. And none of the QB's have the running ability he does.
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Yeah I wouldn't want to see Leinart or White have to run with the football, that would be brutal! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

[DarthAnakin]

Originally posted by LegendoftheJedi@Dec 9 2004, 06:56 PM
Whatever happened to defensive players making the list for the Heisman? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/giveup.gif
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I don't know, I guess it's strictly an offensive award now.

[LegendoftheJedi]

Bednarik Award
(Presented to the nation's best defensive player by the Maxwell Football Club).

Erasmus James, Wisconsin
Derrick Johnson, Texas
David Pollack, Georgia

The winner: David Pollack

Biletnikoff Award
(Presented to the nation's best receiver by the Tallahassee Quarterback Club Foundation, Inc.)

Braylon Edwards, Michigan
Taylor Stubblefield, Purdue
Dante Ridgeway, Ball State

The winner: Braylon Edwards

Butkus Award
(Presented to the nation's outstanding LB by the DAC of Orlando.)

Ahmad Brooks, Virginia
Matt Gootegoed, USC
Derrick Johnson, Texas

The winner: Announcement on Friday

Lou Groza Award
(Presented to the nation's top placekicker by the Greater Augusta Sports Council.)

Tyler Jones, Boise State
Mike Nugent, Ohio State
Andrew Wellock, Eastern Michigan

The winner: Mike Nugent

Ray Guy Award
(Presented to the nation's top punter by the Greater Augusta Sports Council.)

Brandon Fields, Michigan State
Chris Kluwe, UCLA
Daniel Sepulveda, Baylor

The winner: Daniel Sepulveda

Lombardi Award
(Presented to the nation's lineman of the year by the Rotary Club of Houston.)

Shaun Cody, USC
Erasmus James, Wisconsin
Derrick Johnson, Texas
David Pollack, Georgia

The winner: David Pollack

John Mackey Award
(Presented to the nation's top tight end by the Nassau Country Sports Comm.)

Marcedes Lewis, UCLA
Heath Miller, Virginia
Alex Smith, Stanford

The winner: Heath Miller

Maxwell Award
(Presented to the outstanding player of the year by the Maxwell Football Club.)

Matt Leinart, USC
Adrian Peterson, Oklahoma
Jason White, Oklahoma

The winner: Jason White

Bronco Nagurski Award
(Presented to the outstanding defensive player by the FWAA/Charlotte TD Club.)

Jonathan Goddard, Marshall
Erasmus James, Wisconsin
Derrick Johnson, Texas
David Pollack, Georgia
Carlos Rogers, Auburn

The winner: Derrick Johnson

Davey O'Brien Award
(Presented to the nation's outstanding QB by the Davey O'Brien Foundation.)

Matt Leinart, USC
Alex Smith, Utah
Jason White, Oklahoma

The winner: Jason White

Outland Trophy
(Presented to the best interior offensive or defensive lineman by the FWAA.)

Jammal Brown, Oklahoma
David Baas, Michigan
Alex Barron, Florida State

The winner: Jammal Brown

Jim Thorpe Award
(Presented to the nation's outstanding defensive back by Jim Thorpe Assoc.)

Carlos Rogers, Auburn
Antrel Rolle, Miami
Ernest Shazor, Michigan

The winner: Carlos Rogers

Doak Walker Award
(Presented to the nation's best collegiate running back by SMU Athletic Forum.)

J.J. Arrington, Cal
Cedric Benson, Texas
Adrian Peterson, Oklahoma

The winner: Cedric Benson

The Home Depot Coach of the Year Award
Urban Meyer, Utah

Disney's Wide World of Sports Spirit Award
Tim Frisby, South Carolina

NCFAA Contribution to College Football Award
Vince Dooley, Georgia, coach



Comments anyone? Agree/Disagree?

Im rooting for Derrick Johnson to win the Butkus Award Friday (for the second time!)

[Soontir Solo]

Well Jason White's probability for the Heisman just went up with him winning two awards right there.

[LegendoftheJedi]

From what all the "experts" are saying, it pretty much a two man race between Peterson and Leinart. But who knows?

[Soontir Solo]

Experts also said Peyton Manning was a sure thing for the Heisman, but Charles Woodson beat him for it.

[DarthAnakin]

Derrick Johnson should walk away with the Butkus, the guy is amazing! Experts are saying he'll be the best LB to come out of college since Urlacher!

[Soontir Solo]

I read USA Today newspaper today and they show White being the favorite.

[DarthAnakin]

I hope White doesn't win, anydody but him! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[LegendoftheJedi]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Experts also said Peyton Manning was a sure thing for the Heisman, but Charles Woodson beat him for it.
[/b][/quote]

True. Now that was a year of excellent players, both offense and defense.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Derrick Johnson should walk away with the Butkus, the guy is amazing! Experts are saying he'll be the best LB to come out of college since Urlacher![/b][/quote]

The guy is a beast. If I was a struggling defensive team in the NFL, I would jump on him quickly in the draft!!

[DarthAnakin]

^ The Rams should do everything humanly possible to try to move up in the draft to get him, that defence truly needs a player like Derrick Johnson!

[LegendoftheJedi]

Derrick Johnson won the Butkus. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[DarthAnakin]

Originally posted by LegendoftheJedi@Dec 11 2004, 02:14 PM
Derrick Johnson won the Butkus. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif
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It would have been a travesty if he didn't! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif Heisman winner announced tonight! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[RollaFett]

I'm hoping that Alex Smith wins the Heisman. Overall, his numbers are better than any of the other finalists. I know he won't win because of the competition he faced, but I think that's a bunch of B.S.
Another thing that bugs me is Adrian Peterson. I highly doubt that he'll win it, and the excuse that'll be used is that he's a freshman. What?! Is that written down somewhere? Because if it's not, it should be with how quick they are to dismiss the notion of a freshman actually winning the award.

[DarthAnakin]

<span style="font-size:36pt;line-height:100%"><span style="color:red">M</span><span style="color:yellow">A</span><span style="color:red">T</span><span style="color:yellow">T</span><span style="color:red"> L</span><span style="color:yellow">E</span><span style="color:red">I</span><span style="color:yellow">N</span><span style="color:red">A</span><span style="color:yellow">R</span><span style="color:red">T </span>WINS THE HEISMAN!</span>

[Virus]

Originally posted by DarthAnakin@Dec 11 2004, 10:51 PM
<span style="font-size:36pt;line-height:100%"><span style="color:red">M</span><span style="color:yellow">A</span><span style="color:red">T</span><span style="color:yellow">T</span><span style="color:red"> L</span><span style="color:yellow">E</span><span style="color:red">I</span><span style="color:yellow">N</span><span style="color:red">A</span><span style="color:yellow">R</span><span style="color:red">T </span>WINS THE HEISMAN!</span>
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that sucks for him. Let the curse continue

[DarthAnakin]

Heisman Trophy Voting
Player,School 1st 2nd 3rd Total
1. Matt Leinart, USC 267 211 102 1,325
2. Adrian Peterson, OU 154 180 175 997
3. Jason White, OU 171 149 146 957
4. Alex Smith, Utah 98 112 117 635
5. Reggie Bush, USC 118 80 83 597

[DarthAnakin]

Originally posted by Virus+Dec 11 2004, 10:53 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Virus @ Dec 11 2004, 10:53 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-DarthAnakin@Dec 11 2004, 10:51 PM
<span style="font-size:36pt;line-height:100%"><span style="color:red">M</span><span style="color:yellow">A</span><span style="color:red">T</span><span style="color:yellow">T</span><span style="color:red"> L</span><span style="color:yellow">E</span><span style="color:red">I</span><span style="color:yellow">N</span><span style="color:red">A</span><span style="color:yellow">R</span><span style="color:red">T </span>WINS THE HEISMAN!</span>
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that sucks for him. Let the curse continue
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[/b][/quote]

Yeah looks like he'll have a terrible pro career, like 90% of all Heisman winners! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

[DarthAnakin]

I'm happy, like I said before, anybody but Jason White! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[LegendoftheJedi]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>I'm happy, like I said before, anybody but Jason White!
[/b][/quote]

So, so true. For some reason this years Heisman just didnt have the flair that it usually would for me. Too much going on with the whole BCS bowl conspiracy for me to really care.

[DarthAnakin]

^ Well the Heisman just doesn't mean that much anymore. Guys like Eric Crouch winning it has ruined it for me.

[LegendoftheJedi]

Yeah, I miss the good ole days when winning it ment so much more.

[DarthAnakin]

Here's another pic of Matt Leinart

[DarthAnakin]

........

[DarthAnakin]

Originally posted by LegendoftheJedi@Dec 12 2004, 01:20 AM
Yeah, I miss the good ole days when winning it ment so much more.
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Yeah those days are long gone. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif

[LegendoftheJedi]

Anyone else have withdraws from no ball today?

[DarthAnakin]

Originally posted by LegendoftheJedi@Dec 12 2004, 01:24 AM
Anyone else have withdraws from no ball today?
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Yeah it sucked! Luckily College Basketball was on so I watched 3 games. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[LegendoftheJedi]

I caught myself looking for a football game today. Then I realized what I was doing and worked on my car for awhile. Bowl games need to hurry up and start.

[DarthAnakin]

Yeah they kind of taunt us by having one on the 14th and than making us wait till the 21st for the next one.

[RollaFett]

As far as the heisman goes, I have to agree that the whole Heisman race this year was blah. Probably because 4 of the players came from just 2 schools, and 3 of them were QB's, all with eerily similar numbers.
By the way, why the hell can't a RB win that award anymore?

[Soontir Solo]

I think they definitely do need to recognize non-QB's more in the Heisman race.

Am I the only one that looks at Leinart and White and just doesn't think they will be successful in the NFL?

[DarthAnakin]

Originally posted by Soontir Solo@Dec 12 2004, 08:41 PM
I think they definitely do need to recognize non-QB's more in the Heisman race.

Am I the only one that looks at Leinart and White and just doesn't think they will be successful in the NFL?
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I'll be surprised if White starts more than 1 game in his NFL career. As for Leinart, he'll most likely be a top 3 pick but I think he'll be a bust.

[DarthAnakin]

Notre Dame signs new head coach:

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/news;_ylc=X3...ov=ap&type=lgns (http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/news;_ylc=X3oDMTBpNWZic251BF9TAzI1NjY0ODI1BHNlYwN0 aA--?slug=ap-notredame-weis&prov=ap&type=lgns)

[RollaFett]

Heh, heh...it figures. Notre Dame, by most accounts, made a good hire, I just find it funny that he won't be starting until way after the recruiting season is done. HA!

[LegendoftheJedi]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Am I the only one that looks at Leinart and White and just doesn't think they will be successful in the NFL?[/b][/quote]

Granted that they wont be on the "best" teams in the NFL like they were in college. I will definately be watching to see who gets drilled first. I hope they both choke!

[DarthAnakin]

Originally posted by LegendoftheJedi@Dec 13 2004, 12:29 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Am I the only one that looks at Leinart and White and just doesn't think they will be successful in the NFL?

Granted that they wont be on the "best" teams in the NFL like they were in college. I will definately be watching to see who gets drilled first. I hope they both choke!
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I will honestly be shocked if White starts a game in his first few years. He'll end up being one of those guys who does great in college, because he has a great team around him, and do absolutely nothing in the NFL.

[LegendoftheJedi]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>He'll end up being one of those guys who does great in college, because he has a great team around him, and do absolutely nothing in the NFL.[/b][/quote]

Like so many before him.

[DarthAnakin]

^ Yeah that's why it's so hard to judge a college QB, it's hard to tell wether he's actually "that good", or if he just has a very good o-line and receivers.

[LegendoftheJedi]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>By the way, why the hell can't a RB win that award anymore? [/b][/quote]

I totally agree. To me RB's are underrated in that aspect. I mean recievers usually have one or two guys to beat before they get the ball. QB's usually have five or six guys coming at them, most of those get picked up by the o-line. True its hard to throw the ball with precision everytime, but come on. With a line like White had, im sure that I could have thrown the ball downfield and it would get caught from time to time. Yeah a RB has blockers, but they have three lines of the defense to go through. They are the workhorses of the team. RB's are clearly overlooked IMO. I know there is more than what I am saying to each spot, but its just a quick thought.

[DarthAnakin]

^ IMO, Bush or Peterson should have won the Heisman this year, they were soooo exciting to watch and, I believe, carried thier teams to the Orange Bowl.

[DarthAnakin]

<span style="color:blue">Tyrone Willingham signs with the Washington Huskies.</span>

[DarthAnakin]

New Orleans Bowl tonight 8 p.m. ET
North Texas vs. Southern Mississippi

Not a great matchup, but it's the only game for another week so i'll most likely watch it.

[DarthAnakin]

So I watched the New Orleans Bowl, it was an alright game plus I got to watch the Freshman sensation RB Jamario Thomas. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[Soontir Solo]

Yeah, Thomas has some crazy moves. He is exciting to watch.

[DarthAnakin]

^ Yeah he's one of those guys that the big schools missed while recruiting.

[Soontir Solo]

Does anybody know if he is going to enter the draft?

[DarthAnakin]

Originally posted by Soontir Solo@Dec 16 2004, 06:28 PM
Does anybody know if he is going to enter the draft?
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He can't, he's a Freshman.

[DarthAnakin]

Dave Wannstedt becomes Head Coach of the Pittsburgh Panthers:

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/news;_ylc=X3...ov=ap&type=lgns (http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/news;_ylc=X3oDMTBpMGxyODMzBF9TAzk1ODYyMzAwBHNlYwN0 bQ--?slug=ap-pitt-wannstedt&prov=ap&type=lgns)

[DarthAnakin]

Thursday, Dec 23 Bowl Results

Fort Worth Bowl

Marshall 14
Cincinnati 32

Las Vegas Bowl

Wyoming 24
UCLA 21

[Soontir Solo]

Yeah, wasn't thinking straight.

I think Dave should do well there in Pittsburgh, the program is already a Top 25 program and he is a good coach.

[DarthAnakin]

Yeah he'll probably be back in the NFL in no time. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

Who do you think will last longer, Wannstedt at Pitt, or Weiss at Notre Dame?

[DarthAnakin]

ERight in the middle of Bowl Week, can't wait till Jan 1, when the best games start! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[LegendoftheJedi]

Well... tomarrow's the day!

Let the good bowls begin!!

[LegendoftheJedi]

Cals arguement that it got shafted out of a BCS bowl got thrown out the window by Tech. Tech ran all over them.

[Master Cephus]

well my bubble burst...

Alabama got beat yesterday...

Bad calls, bad quaterback... can only look forward to next year

[DarthAnakin]

OMG!!! Did anyone else see the LSU vs Iowa game? The 4th quarter of that game was absolutely amazing.

As for Miami spanking Florida, no big surprise since we all knew it was going to happen. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[Kapit]

i was disappointed by michigans performance in the rose bowl

the defense has went into a tailspin at the end of the season, and it showed tonight

the offense did better, but there were a number of henne passes that sailed above the reciever which could've helped out quite a bit

all in all, michigan could have put the game away numerous times, but the defense let us down, and the offense did some wacky things

oh, and is it just me and my dad, or did it seem as if ABC was really favoring texas in coverage and such?

[Soontir Solo]

Utah beat Pittsburgh 35 to 7. Man I hate the BCS. Pitt got a major bowl birth when they shouldn't have, and looked what happened. They got killed. And Utah now finished their unbeaten season and they don't get a chance to go for the National Championship. Pathetic!

[BobPalpatine]

My boy Vince Young ran all over Michigan yesterday. The only thing I have to say is where was that type of play during the Oklahoma game?

Next year Texas needs to work on their special teams because they were horrid yesterday. Vince needs to learn to be able to throw. Not all teams are this weak against mobile quarterbacks. Our receivers need to learn how to catch a ball. They dropped so many easy passes yesterday it was embarassing.

Rose Bowl so far was my favorite bowl this year. Although the LSU vs Iowa game was pretty intense as well.

[DarthAnakin]

Originally posted by BobPalpatine@Jan 2 2005, 03:59 PM
My boy Vince Young ran all over Michigan yesterday. The only thing I have to say is where was that type of play during the Oklahoma game?

Next year Texas needs to work on their special teams because they were horrid yesterday. Vince needs to learn to be able to throw. Not all teams are this weak against mobile quarterbacks. Our receivers need to learn how to catch a ball. They dropped so many easy passes yesterday it was embarassing.

Rose Bowl so far was my favorite bowl this year. Although the LSU vs Iowa game was pretty intense as well.
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Oklahomas defence is much better than Michigans, that's why Young couldn't do anything against the Sooners. The Rose bowl was awesome!! Much better than last year when USC crushed the Wolverines.

[Soontir Solo]

Yeah, it was much better.

[DarthAnakin]

Les Miles takes over as head coach at LSU:

http://www.sportsline.com/collegefootball/story/8060607

[DarthAnakin]

The Sugar Bowl wasn't too bad, the game was closer than I thought it would be. Too bad Auburn probably won't get a share of the National Championship since I don't think that game will change the minds of any of the AP writers.

[Master Cephus]

I don't know...

there were plenty of writers that had stated that VT was playing some of the best football in college.

Don't let the score fool you. Auburn pretty much controlled this game from the get go. One mistake really and it put the score close.

AU at least deservers a share in the title....any time to go 13-0 in the SEC deserves recognition. You can argue that point, but you have to admit that the SEC is one of the hardest (if the THE) conferences to play in and Auburn went undefeated.

[DarthSolo]

USC smoked OU. Congrats Spartans, Champions!

[DarthAnakin]

^ And the game was never even close, sure OU jumped out to an early 7-0 lead but USC hadn't even got the ball yet. Once USC got it's offence on the field, the game was over. The USC defence shut down Jason White and Adrian Peterson. I knew it wasn't going to be a close game, but I didn't expect it to be that much of a blowout. The only reason OU even got to 19 points was because Pete Carroll put in his 2nd and 3rd string defensive players in the 4th quarter. Also have to give credit to the USC special teams and O-line, they played great.

[DarthAnakin]

Playoff not in BCS immediate plans:

http://www.sportsline.com/collegefootball/story/8066851

[DarthAnakin]

Final Polls:

AP Top 25

1. USC
2. Auburn
3. Oklahoma
4. Utah
5. Texas
6. Louisville
7. Georgia
8. Iowa
9. California
10. Virginia Tech
11. Miami (FL)
12. Boise St.
13. Tennessee
14. Michigan
15. Florida St.
16. LSU
17. Wisconsin
18. Texas Tech
19. Arizona St.
20. Ohio St.
21. Boston College
22. Fresno St.
23. Virginia
24. Navy
25. Pittsburgh

[DarthAnakin]

Coaches Poll

1. USC
2. Auburn
3. Oklahoma
4. Texas
5. Utah
6. Georgia
7. Louisville
8. Iowa
9. California
10. Virginia Tech
11. Miami (FL)
12. Michigan
13. Boise St.
14. Florida St.
15. Tennessee
16. LSU
17. Texas Tech
18. Wisconsin
19. Ohio St.
20. Arizona St.
21. Boston College
22. Fresno St.
23. Virginia
24. Navy
25. Florida

[DarthAnakin]

Florida Sophmore LB Channing Crowder will enter the NFL draft.
Utah Junior QB Alex Smith will also enter the draft.

[DarthAnakin]

With less than a month before the start of the upcomming NCAA football season I decided it was time resurrect this thread.

Here are Terry Bowden's top 16 teams.
1. USC
2. Texas
3. Tennessee
4. Ohio State
5. Michigan
6. LSU
7. Virginia Tech
8. Oklahoma
9. Miami (Fla.)
10. Florida
11. Iowa
12. Florida State
13. Georgia
14. Purdue
15. Auburn
16. Louisville

He says USC is a "no-brainer" to win it all. I agree that they should easily dominate the Pac-10 but they did loose alot of good players to the draft so i'm not so sure they can win it all for the third year in a row.

What do you guys think?

[DarthAnakin]

I can't freakin wait till the season starts. Sportsline.com has a "countdown to season opener" right now it's at:
20days 02hrs 19min 12sec

[Master Cephus]

QB Matt Leinart (Sr.)
RB Reggie Bush (Jr.)
RB LenDale White (Jr.)

and some great wideouts are coming back...

they did lose 5 defensive starters (4 were all-americans).
-----

I am pumped for this season. I think my Crimson Tide is going to be great this year. We have most of our defense (ranked #2 last year) coming back with the defensive coordinator. We also have 3 of our best offensive players coming back (Brodie Croyle, Ken Darby, Tim Castille). I think we are going to be a sleeper team. I am very pumped!

[DarthAnakin]

Yeah I actually don't mind watching Alabama play. They're usually pretty exciting and end up on pretty close games.

[DarthAnakin]

COUNTDOWN TO SEASON OPENER:
13days 03hrs 40min 30sec

[DarthAnakin]

Well I watched my first game of the season today, Utah beat Arizona 27-24 and are no on a 17 game winning streak, I love this sport! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif

[DarthAnakin]

Well my Oregon Ducks begun thier season with a 38-24 win over Houston. The first big upset of the season TCU beats (7) Oklahoma!

[Brian]

Georgia scortched Boise State on Saturday. Shockley certainly shocked many with his 6 touchdown performance.

[DarthAnakin]

^ I actually wasn't that "shocked" style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif with Shockley's performance. Sure he did better than expected but I actually watched him play and backup David Greene quite a bit over the last few years so I had a feeling he'd do well.

[DarthAnakin]

And how about the first "primetime" game of the year with Florida St. upsetting Miami. To be honest Kyle Wright ( Miami's freshman QB ) actually looked very good considering he was playing a very good defence in his first ever game, but Drew Weatherford ( Florida St's freshman QB ) looked like complete style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/censored.gif ! I don't know if it's just a coincidence but it seems like it doesn't matter who Florida St. runs out there because all thier QB's look terrible against Miami for example Chris Rix for the past 4 years and now Weatherford.

[Brian]

Originally posted by DarthAnakin@Sep 7 2005, 12:08 AM
^ I actually wasn't that "shocked" style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif* with Shockley's performance. Sure he did better than expected but I actually watched him play and backup David Greene quite a bit over the last few years so I had a feeling he'd do well.
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Nice to see someone else watching the Dawgs. They were certainly on CBS enough last year (and over the past 4 seasons). Seems like every conference game Georgia played last year was a BIG game on the national level:

LSU at UGA - on CBS
Tennessee at UGA - on CBS
Florida vs. UGA - on CBS
UGA at Auburn - on CBS

This year, more of the same except no LSU.

As for Shockley, I didn't say I was shocked. He did screw up a couple times in the past backing up David Greene. I can think of a couple Florida games where he was completely shook. And that GT game last year was a complete disaster. But he is now THE MAN so I am pleased with what's going on now. Hopefully he can remain poised in the pocket, read defenses effectively, hold on to the football when he scambles, not let his nerves get to him against Florida (a team who has pretty much OWNED Georgia for the past 15 years or so), and not let stuff like "Heisman hype" get to him. If he can do all of that and probably a dozen other factors that I haven't thought of, then UGA can have, perhaps, a shall I say, a, I don't know, championship season....

And, oh yea, I can't wait for Saturday when the Dawgs whoop up on Spurrier and the South Carolina Chickens.

[Skywalker_Jr]

Big matchup this weekend between Ohio St. and Texas, should be a great one.

[DarthAnakin]

Originally posted by Brian@Sep 7 2005, 08:59 PM
Nice to see someone else watching the Dawgs. They were certainly on CBS enough last year (and over the past 4 seasons). Seems like every conference game Georgia played last year was a BIG game on the national level:

LSU at UGA - on CBS
Tennessee at UGA - on CBS
Florida vs. UGA - on CBS
UGA at Auburn - on CBS

This year, more of the same except no LSU.

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Yeah I think i've watched them play about 20 times over the last 3 years just because thier on CBS every week style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif
Oh well I didn't mind watching one of the top teams paly every week so i'm not complaining.

[DarthAnakin]

Originally posted by Skywalker_Jr@Sep 8 2005, 02:44 PM
Big matchup this weekend between Ohio St. and Texas, should be a great one.
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Yup, the biggest matcup of the year so far.

[DarthAnakin]

Notre Dame took care of Michigan pretty easily and the Ohio St. vs Texas matchup wasn't all it was cracked up to be but atleast it had a good finnish.

[Master Cephus]

My tide had me nervous in the first half...

However, I was hoping South Carolina would have beat Georgia. This way they would have been coming off a big win...now we play them coming off a slim defeat. USC will definately be on the field to play Saturday

Roll Tide!

[DarthAnakin]

After watching Texas barely be able to beat Ohio St. on Saturday I think USC will have no trouble with the Longhorns, that's if Texas can stay undefeated.

[BobPalpatine]

Originally posted by DarthAnakin@Sep 12 2005, 07:44 PM
After watching Texas barely be able to beat Ohio St. on Saturday I think USC will have no trouble with the Longhorns, that's if Texas can stay undefeated.
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You act like Texas should've flattened Ohio. Ohio has one of the best defenses in the nation I don't think anyone thought it was going to be a high scoring game.

As much as I'm a UT fan, I'm not sure if we can beat USC. It's not because we don't have plenty of talent on the team, it's because Mack Brown is a horrible coach. He just doesn't know how to vary his plays. There is no creativity in his play calling.

If Mack Brown doesn't pull a win out against Oklahoma, he will be gone by next year.

[DarthAnakin]

^ No I never thought the should've flattened Ohio St. I just thought they would've had a more impressive victory, it'll take alot more to beat USC.

Keep in mind i'm not biased towards USC, actually it's the opposite. I cheered for USC a few years ago before they became this good but after seeing them pound my Ducks every year i'm cheering against them. I actually really like the Longhorns and was expecting them to realli impress me vs Ohio St. and make me believe they could beat USC, after the game I believe they are the 2nd best team in the country and won't be able to beat USC, I hope i'm wrong though.

[DarthAnakin]

(23) Fresno St. Bulldogs 34
Oregon Ducks 37

My Ducks are now 3-0 but unfortunately they play (1) USC next week style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif

[Master Cephus]

All I have to say is ROLL TIDE! Man, the Tide spanked Spurrier this week...it was the best I have seen them play this year so far....

Next up Arkansas...then FLORIDA! Watch out, I think we are going to look good this year!

[DarthAnakin]

^ I actually watched the Alabama vs S. Carolina game on CBS, I turned away after the 3rd quarter, it wasn't even close.

[Skywalker_Jr]

^ Love your avatar DarthAnakin, hopefully we can pull off a miracle against USC next week.

[DarthAnakin]

^ As much as I love the ducks, there's no way they can hang with USC, hope i'm wrong though.

[RogueProductions]

Me, I'm an Aggie and a Trojan. So obviously this week, I was very happy with the result. I really like Leinart (I had two classes with him two years ago) and hope that he can get the three-peat.

And the Aggies hopefully will trash a few Big 12 teams, such as Oklahoma and hopefully the Longhorns. At least, here's hoping this year.