Star Wars VI

[FerrisWiel]

<div align=center>STAR WARS
Episode VI
A FINAL STAND
An outline</div>
Following two spectacular failures of Darth Vader, the Emperor has given control of the fleet to a brilliant tactician. Admiral Gormas commands the Executor, with which he has driven the Rebels to the farthest edge of the outer rim but can track them no further as they have discovered new methods of hiding.

Admiral Gormas demonstrates his abilities in a fight with a convoy he discovers, obliterating them. He reveals that he finds only cells of resistance and not the body of the Rebellion, but that it will change in the near future.

Tensions run high among Vader, Gormas and the Emperor. Vader sees the Emperor as senile and part of the old regime and Gormas as a weak non-Sith. The Emperor views Vader as a traitor whose showmanship has cost the Empire dearly and Gormas as a formidable force to keep in check and Gormas views all Sith as obsolete.

Leia Organa has taken to the bridge of a Rebel starship, serving as commander. They receive news of the destroyed convoy via a scrambled transmission. Leia puts R2-D2 to work unscrambling the data.

Aboard the Executor Vader squares off with Gormas about waiting and not simply eradicating the Rebels. Gormas says to be patient. Vader leaves.

R2 discovers that there is hidden, interlaced in the transmission, data of some secret nature.

Luke and Lando sneak into the crimelord's pleasure palace on Hut Tralla as wealthy and corrupt businessmen. Under the false pretense of having an offer for him, Jabba, a fat and hairy humanoid, permits them to meet with him in his personal suite. Knocking him temporarily unconcious, the pair works to release Solo from the carbonite, only to discover that Han is temporarily blind!

Jabba comes to and summons his guards. It had all been a setup. Boba Fett informed the gangster that they were coming.

Leia, having been informed of R2's discovery, realizes that the data was encrypted in an ancient language. C-3P0, with only a partial knowledge of the language, has the task of translating.

Being a sporting man, Jabba gives the band of heroes an opportunity to exonerate themselves. He decrees that Boba Fett and Han Solo should face off in a quickdraw. Solo, known throughout the galaxy (although particularly with the ladies) as among the fastest hands, is the ideal candidate, excepting that he can't see! With reluctance, he accepts.

3P0 has more than 60% of the message translated and excitedly relays to Rebel Command that the data contains co-ordinates for the source of the Empire's vast armies - a well protected, well hidden cloning facility on the planet Buhovalt.

Solo and Boba Fett face off, Lando putting Han in place. Jabba watches with excitement. The two duelists strain, each waiting for the other and then - Solo draws and kills Boba Fett. Jabba congratulates Han, his thirst for excitement sated. He says the trio is free to go.

Gormas speaks with the Emperor of Vader's departure. It is to be of no concern to Gormas. Vader has been summoned back to Rocnah, center of the Empire's power.

Lando and Han return to the Rebel fleet and discover that all branches have been called in for a full-scale assault on Buhovalt. It is revealed that the planet is well-shielded, well-guarded and formerly well-hidden.

Leia will command a capital ship (another Corellian Corvette like the Tantive IV, but with heavy modifications). Han, sight restored, will lead the fighters in the Falcon. Lando will take a team on the ground.

Luke meets with Yoda again. In the two years following his defeat with Vader, Yoda has trained him for what will be the final battle. Luke must face Vader, who is in fact his father, and the Emperor. This time he is ready. Yoda reveals that when Luke leaves this time he will not be allowed to come back as the entire planet will have vanished. Luke then figures out why nothing came up on his scopes while landing the first time: it was because the planet was completely Force-generated and Yoda was a long-dead Jedi instructor. All for the purpose of training Luke.

The fleet departs for Buhovalt.

Luke flies to Rocnah and surrenders himself.

The fleet arrives and the groups break off. Fighters taking out the patrols and capital ships gunning for the sentries.

The assault forces, including Lando's team head for the planet's surface - some being picked off by surface to space fire, others by fighters and cruisers, but plenty make it to the surface to make an attack. The ground forces of the Rebellion have become far more formidable in the time since the battle of Hoth.

Luke is taken before the Emperor. They speak for a short while, the Emperor attempting to seduce Luke to the dark side, and Luke has a familiar sensation - the dark master removes his hood to reveal: the face of Obi-Wan Kenobi!

The tide is turning in the space battle on Buhovalt, the Rebels are winning just as...the near entirety of the Imperial fleet arrives.

Admiral Gormas, aboard the bridge of the Executor is smug. He allowed the Alliance to have the location of the facility and at this point he would vanquish them.

Ground forces continue to fight their way in, but it's no easy battle. They do make headway.

Luke, stunned, says nothing. The Emperor claims that he is in fact Obi-Wan Kenobi and has been leading him through all of his training to this very point where he could fulfill his destiny. He cultivated the sense of rage toward Vader by lying to him about who killed his father. Luke, steps back, head spinning. Vader says nothing.

The Rebels are getting pummelled. Admiral Gormas receives an update that 65% of the capital ships and 57% of the fighters have been eliminated.

Leia is prepared to turn and run when suddenly - a vast array of pirate and smuggling vessels, led by Chewbacca, jump in from hyperspace! Jabba the Hut has called in those loyal to him to take on the Empire and Chewie, who had been working in the repair corps on Hut Tralla.

Luke searches his feelings, his thoughts, he grasps for information and realizes that the Emperor is lying. He denies the allegations and draws his lightsabre.

Lando's forces have reached the shield generator on the surface of the planet, only to realize that there are two stations that must be taken out and they only have enough explosives for one. Lando volunteers himself to deactivate the second shield station.

Luke moves to attack the Emperor who shoots lightning from the tips of his fingers! Luke is thrown back and Vader simply watches, disillusioned by the entire process. Luke rises again and tries to attack the Emperor who rebuffs him again. While shooting Luke he reveals that he is in fact a clone of Obi-Wan, that Owen Lars was the inventor of clone technology and that Obi-Wan was his brother:
Prior to the development of the Imperial technology for cloning, which harnessed Force power, only those who were Force sensitive could be cloned "successfully" so Obi-Wan volunteered himself, unfortunately generating an insane double. The clone escaped and, using the connections Obi-Wan had with the Jedi Council, turned them against each other in the clone wars. Anakin Skywalker, former pupil of Obi-Wan was seduced into following Obi-Wan's clone, unaware until it was too late.
Luke is unable to stand by this point.

The space battle turns heavily to the favor of the Rebellion once again. Admiral Gormas signals retreat.

Lando, just as he makes it to the shield station, is mortally wounded, but successfully disables the shields just as the first station goes offline. The countdown begins for those on the surface to get out of harm's way before the capital ships destroy the cloning facilities. Lando, with his comm-link sends a farewell message to Han Solo.

On Rocnah, Luke writhes in pain and is fast approaching death. He cries out to Vader to save him. Sparking something in Vader that he hasn't felt in a long time, compassion. The Sith lord, filled with love for his son takes his lightsabre and cuts down the Emperor. It is revealed, though, that the Emperor was part of what sustained Vader, so his life is forefeit. He collapses.

Han receives the message from Lando and he says his goodbyes as Lando fades into peaceful oblivion. Just afterward, the capital ships open fire and destroy the cloning facilities on Buhovalt.

Luke talks to Vader about missed opportunities and removes his mask. They say goodbye.

Jabba's forces do mop up work while the Rebellion's light-assault ships pick up pilots from derelict vessels. The casualties were great, but worth the price.

The band of heroes, sans Luke, sit, drink and talk in the lounge aboard one of the larger ships, they're sad, yet excited. Luke enters and shares his experiences. He sees the ghosts Obi-Wan, Yoda, and a restored Anakin Skywalker, greeting each other warmly and acknowledging him. He returns to the group.

<div align=center>The End</div>

This is a rough draft. I wrote it over the course of an hour this morning (the ideas have bounced around in my head for a while, though). Be gentle, please.

[Obi-Stu]

Hmmm....

So to sum it up....

Jabba saves the day
Palpy is a clone of OB1 & Owen
Lando is dead
Anakin was just following his master
Yoda doesn't exist
and Han & Leia don't kiss...

What about Padme being Mon Mothma....

[Darth Vegas]

That sounds really stupid.

[FerrisWiel]

Originally posted by Obi-Stu@Nov 4 2002, 08:24 AM
Jabba saves the day
Palpy is a clone of OB1 & Owen
Lando is dead
Anakin was just following his master
Yoda doesn't exist
and Han & Leia don't kiss...

What about Padme being Mon Mothma....
*There is no Mon Mothma.
*There is no Padme.
*Yoda "exists," but is an ancient master and physical manifestation of the Force
*Jabba saves the day (it was never established that he was "evil" just a businessman expecting his due)
*Palatine is a clone of Obi-Wan, not Owen
*Lando dies (as was in Revenge script)
*Nothing about whether Han and Leia kiss, detail not there, but it's just an outline, not a script
*Anakin was seduced by the dark side. He was feeble-minded, but a powerful Jedi
*Gone are the fuzzy, implausible Ewoks
*No more repeats of Death Star
*Boba Fett doesn't end up as a fart joke
*Han doesn't act like Ward Cleaver on Quaaludes and does what he does best in the final battle - fly
*Oh, and the whole "surprise, we're siblings" thing is gone

But, yeah. That's my stupid idea.

--Ferris Wiel
"When gone am I, the last of the Jedi will you be."
-Yoda

[Jedi D'oh]

Some people just can't accept a different vision. I for one found it sort of interesting. Only I didn't like the Palpy is a clone of Obi-Wan. Other than that, I could see it as a plausible sequel in place of the one written.

[FerrisWiel]

Thanks, D'oh. You're really a pretty good sort.

-Ferris Wiel
"Oh, he seems very friendly."
-C-3P0

[Mothman]

Originally posted by Obi-Stu@Nov 4 2002, 08:24 AM
What about Padme being Mon Mothma....
Padme is Mon Mothma? How could it be?

[Jedi D'oh]

Thanks Ferris.

And PADME IS NOT MON MOTHMA!!!!!! So no worries Mothman.

[FerrisWiel]

Oh, God....don't start that in here!

--Ferris Wiel
"Because he's holding a thermal detonator!"
-C-3P0

[Mothman]

Sorry... I just couldn't help it.

[Jedi D'oh]

Don't worry, that's all I had to say on the subject.

[Martini]

whats so wrong with having a second death star in ROTJ? i dont get why people dont like that movie.

[Jedi D'oh]

It's not that I don't like the movie or even the idea of a second DS. BUT....I remember even at 9 years old that the second DS was kinda cheesy. I just think that a better idea could have been had, but I'm happy as it is.

[Martini]

yea right the second DS was HUGE and it looked cool cause it was right near a moon and it was only about 3/4 built. sooo cool

[FerrisWiel]

It looked cool but it wasn't an original idea. You go out with a bang, you don't resort back to the original. While some of my ideas need toning (and admittedly some need overhauls), I think they're at least original. And, or course, I came up with them over a very short period of time.

--Ferris Wiel
"The Emperor has made a critical error and the time for our attack has come."
-Mon Mothma
(Yeah, he let George Lucas craft his battle strategies.)

[Frendon]

ok Ferris Wiel if you don't mind here is my humble opinion:

*The emperor being a clone of obiwan is even worse than Luke & Leia being brother and sister.
*You never gave a good explanation on how a blind han solo could kill Boba Fett, and why would boba fett duel han if he is not going to gain anything out of it anyway.
*Admiral Gormas is kind of a Thrawn character and it would have been good to have him in a movie but the idea is that the SITH only trust in their kind, and i don't think the emperor could put an admiral over Vader. But in your draft we don't get anything about the SITH just something about an "evil clone" (that sounds like very bad sci-fi) so the sith concept in nowhere to find.
*The whole Yoda and dagobah disappearing seems dumb, i prefer the idea of yoda being in hiding and dying after he trains luke, and it would take a lot of time to explain that idea on the film and is not really necessary for the story.
*We never saw a final confrontation between Vader and luke, i think that is what most of us expected from this episode.
*Why would Jabba join the rebels?

As you can see i'm not bashing your idea just giving feedback.

[Martini]

well i guess having lightsaber duels in everything after ANH isnt original then. since it was already done! jeez, your talking out of your a$$

[FerrisWiel]

Originally posted by Frendon@Nov 4 2002, 02:30 PM
ok Ferris Wiel if you don't mind here is my humble opinion:

*The emperor being a clone of obiwan is even worse than Luke & Leia being brother and sister.
*You never gave a good explanation on how a blind han solo could kill Boba Fett, and why would boba fett duel han if he is not going to gain anything out of it anyway.
*Admiral Gormas is kind of a Thrawn character and it would have been good to have him in a movie but the idea is that the SITH only trust in their kind, and i don't think the emperor could put an admiral over Vader. But in your draft we don't get anything about the SITH just something about an "evil clone" (that sounds like very bad sci-fi) so the sith concept in nowhere to find.
*The whole Yoda and dagobah disappearing seems dumb, i prefer the idea of yoda being in hiding and dying after he trains luke, and it would take a lot of time to explain that idea on the film and is not really necessary for the story.
*We never saw a final confrontation between Vader and luke, i think that is what most of us expected from this episode.
*Why would Jabba join the rebels?

As you can see i'm not bashing your idea just giving feedback.
Your humble opinions are noted, and they give me the opportunity to fix things (kind of like when taking an idea from rough draft to working draft):

*Clones of Obi-Wan isn't something I came up with. It had been speculated about by fans and even Timothy Zahn wanted Joruus C'Baoth to be a clone. I just took it to a different end. I mean, a clone of Obi-Wan being Vader's new master? Talk about drawing parallels.
*Blind Han Solo just happened to be quick...and lucky.
*Gormas is kind of a Thrawn type, but I didn't want to use the name Thrawn as the character belonged to Grand Master Zahn. And Sith obviously trusted non-Sith as Moff Tarkin had dominion over Vader in ANH.
*I just liked the idea of having Dagobah be a non-physical planet. I thought since nobody had ever heard of it and all of Luke's scopes went dead that it would be plausible to consider that the planet didn't really exist.
*Vader and Luke didn't need a final confrontation from my position, although I definitely could come up with one.
*Jabba was an opportunistic man. He took advantage of situations and when he found out (he pays to have that kind of information) that the Rebellion had an opportunity to destroy the Empire, he jumped on the band wagon. The Empire had been cracking down on illegal trade (Example: Han's spice dump). He also ends up with salvage rights to any Imperial wreckage after the battle. He didn't have any historical alliegance to the Empire.

Your feedback is appreciated.

Thank you,
--Ferris Wiel

"He has too much of his father in him."
-Beru Lars

[FerrisWiel]

Martini,

Temper temper, mon ami.

I simply thought that a complete re-hash of A New Hope's major plot point was ridiculous. Why couldn't Lucas come up with a new threat?

Lightsabre battles weren't contrivances, just like space battles and blaster shootouts. They're styles of fighting. Plain and simple.

A new Death Star is a contrivance. An attempt at bringing back what made the first installment so popular. It takes away all of the mystery and awe when it can be duplicated (and so easily).

--Ferris Wiel
"Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid."
-Han Solo

[Krogenar]

STAR WARS
Episode VI
A FINAL STAND
An outline

Following two spectacular failures of Darth Vader,

Ok, so Darth screws up badly. How? What would those two failures be? Vader is pretty well known for having his sh*t together, ya know?

the Emperor has given control of the fleet to a brilliant tactician. Admiral Gormas commands the Executor, with which he has driven the Rebels to the farthest edge of the outer rim but can track them no further as they have discovered new methods of hiding.

Ok, that needs some explaining. I like the idea of an internal power struggle. I haven't read the rest of the outline, so we'll see where you go with that later.

Admiral Gormas demonstrates his abilities in a fight with a convoy he discovers, obliterating them. He reveals that he finds only cells of resistance and not the body of the Rebellion, but that it will change in the near future.

Ok, you'd have to work in some other details showing just why this Gormas is so good at what he does. Is he better with the soldiers, somehow? Does this character display the same sort of attitude that other generals in SW have displayed? A stiff, military type attitude? Or is he a rogue, maybe with his own style? Does he agree with the Emperor's ways, or is he just following orders? Who is this guy?

Tensions run high among Vader, Gormas and the Emperor. Vader sees the Emperor as senile and part of the old regime and Gormas as a weak non-Sith. The Emperor views Vader as a traitor whose showmanship has cost the Empire dearly and Gormas as a formidable force to keep in check and Gormas views all Sith as obsolete.

Ok, this is where Vader's failures need to be described. Why would Vader fail? I think showing Vader failing excessively would change his character. Vader is scary because he rarely EVER fails. Also... what's to keep Gormas' neck from being pinched shut by Vader - who's probably not the 'play nice' type? I think this would change the nature of the Apprentice/Master Sith relationship and reduce Vader from a 'Black Knight' sort of character, and just make him a weird thug instead.

Leia Organa has taken to the bridge of a Rebel starship, serving as commander. They receive news of the destroyed convoy via a scrambled transmission. Leia puts R2-D2 to work unscrambling the data.

Aboard the Executor Vader squares off with Gormas about waiting and not simply eradicating the Rebels. Gormas says to be patient. Vader leaves.

R2 discovers that there is hidden, interlaced in the transmission, data of some secret nature.

Ok, hidden information is interesting. I like that! When Vader squares off with Gormas, though, it sounds like Vader loses! He's not the invincible uber-villain anymore.

Luke and Lando sneak into the crimelord's pleasure palace on Hut Tralla as wealthy and corrupt businessmen.

This is a purely subjective point: I liked the way Luke just walked into Jabba's palace in the original ROTJ and just calmly stated that Jabba should hand his friends over - with monetary compensation if necessary. Actually, looking back on ROTJ, Luke displayed the sort of cool calm that 'old' Jedi seemed to have. No yelling or screaming: just very cool and to the point. I can't see Luke acting like Donald Trump, with his hand on some floozie's behind. Lando yes... Luke, no. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

Under the false pretense of having an offer for him, Jabba, a fat and hairy humanoid, permits them to meet with him in his personal suite. Knocking him temporarily unconcious, the pair works to release Solo from the carbonite, only to discover that Han is temporarily blind!

Ok..

Jabba comes to and summons his guards. It had all been a setup. Boba Fett informed the gangster that they were coming.

Only change I would make: Let Jabba avoid the hit on the head. He knows its a trap, right?

Leia, having been informed of R2's discovery, realizes that the data was encrypted in an ancient language. [FORTRAN!]C-3P0, with only a partial knowledge of the language, has the task of translating.

Being a sporting man, Jabba gives the band of heroes an opportunity to exonerate themselves. He decrees that Boba Fett and Han Solo should face off in a quickdraw. Solo, known throughout the galaxy (although particularly with the ladies) as among the fastest hands, is the ideal candidate, excepting that he can't see! With reluctance, he accepts.

3P0 has more than 60% of the message translated and excitedly relays to Rebel Command that the data contains co-ordinates for the source of the Empire's vast armies - a well protected, well hidden cloning facility on the planet Buhovalt.

Solo and Boba Fett face off, Lando putting Han in place. Jabba watches with excitement. The two duelists strain, each waiting for the other and then - Solo draws and kills Boba Fett. Jabba congratulates Han, his thirst for excitement sated. He says the trio is free to go.

What!? I don't like that ending. Jabba was a vicious crime boss in the original. I like him better that way. He should order Lando and Han to duel - and then let the 'winner' die in some far more gruesome way.

Lando and Han return to the Rebel fleet and discover that all branches have been called in for a full-scale assault on Buhovalt. It is revealed that the planet is well-shielded, well-guarded and formerly well-hidden.

That's pretty gutsy for the Rebellion to launch a full out attack on the heart of the Empire. I always enjoyed the fact that the rebels were underdogs: outgunned and outnumbered - but still fighting. They had to survive more on their wits, speed and cunning than brute force. This rewrite removes most of that edge.

Leia will command a capital ship (another Corellian Corvette like the Tantive IV, but with heavy modifications). Han, sight restored, will lead the fighters in the Falcon. Lando will take a team on the ground.

Three different fronts - sounds like something Lucas would do. It's a good way to keep the action moving, and demonstrate the chaos of battle.

Luke meets with Yoda again. In the two years following his defeat with Vader, Yoda has trained him for what will be the final battle. Luke must face Vader, who is in fact his father, and the Emperor. This time he is ready. Yoda reveals that when Luke leaves this time he will not be allowed to come back as the entire planet will have vanished. Luke then figures out why nothing came up on his scopes while landing the first time: it was because the planet was completely Force-generated and Yoda was a long-dead Jedi instructor. All for the purpose of training Luke.

Wow. The whole planet is a mirage? With that sort of power, you'd think The Force itself could just work things out, without having to rely on Jedi.

The assault forces, including Lando's team head for the planet's surface - some being picked off by surface to space fire, others by fighters and cruisers, but plenty make it to the surface to make an attack. The ground forces of the Rebellion have become far more formidable in the time since the battle of Hoth.

That's a lot of action, which is great, but the fact that the Rebellion is not an underdog force cuts the drama significantly.

Luke is taken before the Emperor. They speak for a short while, the Emperor attempting to seduce Luke to the dark side, and Luke has a familiar sensation - the dark master removes his hood to reveal: the face of Obi-Wan Kenobi!

Ok, you have my attention. Obi-Wan was cloned, I'm guessing?

[Large Portion Snipped.]

Luke moves to attack the Emperor who shoots lightning from the tips of his fingers! Luke is thrown back and Vader simply watches, disillusioned by the entire process. Luke rises again and tries to attack the Emperor who rebuffs him again. While shooting Luke he reveals that he is in fact a clone of Obi-Wan, that Owen Lars was the inventor of clone technology and that Obi-Wan was his brother:

So... Lars, the farmer, invented clone technology?
Ok. Let's move on.

Prior to the development of the Imperial technology for cloning, which harnessed Force power, only those who were Force sensitive could be cloned "successfully" so Obi-Wan volunteered himself, unfortunately generating an insane double. The clone escaped and, using the connections Obi-Wan had with the Jedi Council, turned them against each other in the clone wars.

That is one crafty clone!

[Big section snipped.]

This is a rough draft. I wrote it over the course of an hour this morning (the ideas have bounced around in my head for a while, though). Be gentle, please.

To be very honest, I preferred the underdog role that the rebellion filled. It made their fight more desperate, more dramatic. Losing that aspect of the Rebellion changed the movie too much for me. Making Jabba into a good guy was a bit of a stretch for me. The rescue of Han Solo put all the characters in perspective at the beginning of the movie. Lando is apparently forgiven for his betrayal in ESB. Luke is a real Jedi. Han is still a popsicle. Leia is in love with his puddin' pop. Artoo and Threepio still suffer at the hands of uncaring human owners. And Chewbacca is still trying to save his friend. And at the end of it, they've beaten the crime boss and escaped with their lives. They're buddies!

But overall, your script had a lot of imagination. You should try to write something completely original in the SW Theme. Why rewrite someone else's work? Write about some small, unexplored sector of the Galaxy. I'd read it. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[Jedi D'oh]

Remember people, he did call this OUTLINE a ROUGH DRAFT. It's not a full on script, just ideas layed down on paper without the full detail...yet. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

[Krogenar]

Originally posted by FerrisWiel@Nov 4 2002, 04:21 PM
He also ends up with salvage rights to any Imperial wreckage after the battle. He didn't have any historical alliegance to the Empire.

Your feedback is appreciated.

Thank you,
--Ferris Wiel

"He has too much of his father in him."
-Beru Lars
Wait. Isn't that like what Talon Karde did in one of the SW novels? The smugglers helped the Rebellion? That's called plagiarism... ???

[Jedi D'oh]

Nope they weren't the rebellion anymore, and it was an information trade.

[FerrisWiel]

Krogenar,

Give the poor man a break - Vader's spectacular failures:
Hoth - Didn't wipe out the Rebellion when he had the chance (Ozzel's mistake was Vader's failure to delegate to a competent officer)
Death Star Plans - Couldn't retrieve, let heroes get away
Death Star - Let snot-nosed farmboy wipe out 20 years of hard work with lucky shot
Retrieving Luke Skywalker - Punk got away

Build it up, Tear it Down - Gormas' skills demonstrated:
The convoy battle at the start would have some definite scope...it may even be the opening sequence just to get the adrenaline pumping. After the battle I'd like to show the Admiral having tea or something in tactical ops. He is definitely a Thrawn-styled character, a rogue.

Royale - Gormas v. Vader:
Vader does lose. Gormas holds trump card and has veto power. Like it or lump it, Gormas has authority over Vader just like Tarkin had authority. Vader was untested in ANH, failed as commander of the fleet in ESB and in AFC he has been demoted again.

Risky Business - Lando & Luke:
Lando would be the executive (Trump) and Luke would be his assistant. I don't put stock in Jedi powers and I propose that Lando and Luke misread Jabba per his "reputation." The character obviously had a warm friendship with Han at some point historically as he temporarily forgave the debt both in the shooting script and in the "canonical" Special Edition.

Luke's Powers - He's got a lot to learn:
Obi-Wan in TPM trained for many years before he even hit the level he had. Luke failing is a part of being a Jedi, and I don't think that 9 months or even 2 years would make a difference in that. He needed more time and experience.

Mmmbop - Jabba's Noggin:
You're right...although perhaps Jabba could leave the room, giving the heroes a chance to release Han.

There's no need to fear - Rebellion are still underdogs:
They're not attacking the Imperial Center. They're attacking cloning facilities on a remote, hidden and shielded planet - and it's set up to appear as a high-risk but plausible victory.

Old MacDonald - Lars the Inventor:
Great minds sometimes develop horrible technologies. Lars went into hiding after developing the technology, posing as a farmer eliminated suspicions.

Obi-Two - Palpaclone:
General Kenobi served Bail Organa, father of Leia (she's not the sister of Luke in this incarnation) following the clone's dividing of the Jedi council and the Senate. The two halves of the fractured government reunited under the Emperor and Bail was forced to adopt a pacifist position and staye in "power" as a puppet senator in order to protect his newborn daughter, Leia.

These are edits on my ideas.

And Jabba's actions weren't a plagiarism of Karrde as my esteemed colleague, D'oh, pointed out.

I'm glad you like some of my other ideas:
*Dividing the forces
*Kenobi's clone

I've also considered writing fanfic for Star Wars but have another idea for my own sci-fi series.

Thanks,
--Ferris Wiel
"I never knew I had it in me."
-C-3P0

[Obi-Stu]

Okay, I read your "draft" again today and realised that it was hard to keep an open mind after watching ROTJ each week for the last 15 years.

I think you are really brave posting your ideas and asking for comments. - but ask you did...

[DblDwn]

I love how everything thinks that just because they watch the movie they have this profound desire to show everyone how they would do it and how Lucas srewed up.

No one can just turn the channel and give away their VHS/DVD copies because they have to obsess over the fact that they could have done it better than the guy with the billions of dollars.

If you guys were really that good at writing screenplays you would be doing something more than posting your pipe dreams on this site.

I don't mean to sound like an insensitive prick but, after all, I am a realist.

[FerrisWiel]

"Why did you have to be so brave."
-C-3P0

--Ferris Wiel
"Who's the more foolish: the fool or the fool who follows him?
-Obi Wan

[DblDwn]

OK you like to quote way too much.

It's almost a disassociation between fantasy and reality.

[FerrisWiel]

Originally posted by DblDwn@Nov 5 2002, 01:03 PM
I don't mean to sound like an insensitive prick...
No, no, no. By all means. Go with your strengths.

--Ferris Wiel
"Apology Accepted, Captain Needa."
-Darth Vader

[DblDwn]

I like you.

You're both negative towards my opinions and comical. That is such a unique quality. Your mother must be so proud.

[MegoHulk]

I don't mean to sound like an insensitive prick but, after all, I am a realist.



Right...and Padme is Mon Mothma. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif

[FerrisWiel]

"My motha was a saint!!!"

Did you even read the thread? Honestly.

--Ferris Wiel
"She was...very beautiful...but...sad."
-Leia Organa (Shatner)

[Martini]

ferris, do you think mothma is padme..........since u are the OT fan

[DblDwn]

I read the first two paragraphs until I stopped myself and thought, "Why am I reading this when it is written by someone who watched the movie Lucas made and didn't like it?" No offense, it might be all fine and dandy but I don't need to read it because it isn't the story the way Lucas intended it to be made.

[DblDwn]

Originally posted by MegoHulk@Nov 5 2002, 12:15 PM
I don't mean to sound like an insensitive prick but, after all, I am a realist.



Right...and Padme is Mon Mothma. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif
Roll your eyes all you want but you cannot honestly say that you know 110% for sure that she is not.

[Martini]

yea but its just lame. its like saying Dooku will become Tarkin

[DblDwn]

So it's lame. Jar Jar is lame. Greedo shooting first is lame. You guys can deny it all you want and I respect that but you have to admit that it is possible.

Just because I think that there is a good chance it will happen does not mean that I am convinced that it will happen. I am supporting it because it is a possibility which should be discussed and I really wouldn't mind it if it became so.

The difference is that I have never said it will happen, yet I still support it. Whereas all of the naysayers are so arogant that they can do nothing but say that it will not happen. They don't even consider the possibility because of their lack of imagination.

[FerrisWiel]

Dammit! This thread has nothing to do with Mon Mothma! How in hell does she keep coming up?!? She appeared for a minute in ROTJ which this thread is all about replacing anyway!

Take the Mon Mothma nonsense out of here! I want none of it! It's so far off-topic that it would make more sense to talk about My Little Ponies than Mon Mothma in here!

--Ferris Wiel
"We don't allow their kind in here."
-Wuher

[DblDwn]

Originally posted by FerrisWiel@Nov 5 2002, 01:27 PM
She appeared for a minute in ROTJ which this thread is all about replacing anyway!




Well then since you aren't going to succeed in your make believe hostile takeover of ROTJ and remake it your way then I would say that this thread is basically pointless and therefore should be closed.

Are you forming a cult to overtake the Skywalker Ranch and force Lucas at gunpoint to refilm the movie the way you think it should be?

Once again, if you don't like it.........don't watch it.

[Javen]

Ferris Wiel who are you to tell anyone what to post?

[FerrisWiel]

It's not logical to post about off-topic things, particularly those that have 8 whole threads devoted to them! I forget, though, I'm a fan of logic and apparently that has no bearing around here! So I don't dictate it, logic dictates it.

The thread isn't about a hostile takeover! It's about exploring alternatives to ROTJ. How many people have *****ed about it but haven't tried to write up an alternative...a list of things that they would have done instead?

--Ferris Wiel
"Why are we still moving towards it?!?"
-Luke Skywalker

[DblDwn]

We're discussing ROTJ and Mon Mothma, wait a sec did I say Mon Mothma, I'm really sorry I didn't mean to mention Mon Mothma again.......damn there I go again.

Anyway Mon Mo.......ah I caught myself that time. That person is in ROTJ so to discuss ROTJ would entail discussing the characters in the movie.

And what is with the quotes to summize what you are trying to say? Can you be yourself or do you have to rely on dialogue from fiction to get your point across?

[FerrisWiel]

*gasp* Will to... resist *koff* fading... welcome... *gurgle* icy grip *hack* of... death... peaceful... slumber!


No, no. I must stand strong.

-Ferris Wiel
"I'm driving this way just to piss you off."
-Bumper Sticker

[DblDwn]

Oh boy

You need to get out more buddy. Now you're quoting bumper stickers and spouting off in some sort of "locked in the basement hanging out with the dog all day" form of communication.

[Javen]

Maybe you could calm down and speak logically, since your a fan of it rather than just getting ticked off about it, you know the sayingPractice what you preach

.....and Mon Motha was so hot!

[Mothman]

Hey...

Did you ever think that the amulet that Mon Mothma wears looks kind of similar to the one that Anakin made and gave to Padme in TPM?

[Siamese Sith]

How cool would it be if Mon Mothma was in an episode of my little pony! When I first saw Mon Mothma I thought to myself "dam that woman's HOT!!!"

Who thinks Mon Mothma is HOT???????????

[FerrisWiel]

Mon Mothma being hot is ridiculous...

And in case somebody missed it, it's fruitless to argue with a preteen.

[DblDwn]

You truly are showing your true colors this evening Ferris. You should be very proud of yourself.

[Siamese Sith]

GOD, you need to go and have a few Guinness and relax! I have had more enjoyable conversations with pre teens!

[Darth Fabulous]

Originally posted by Siamese sith@Nov 5 2002, 11:58 PM
GOD, you need to go and have a few Guinness and relax! I have had more enjoyable conversations with pre teens!
Yeah, that will make him more polite and coherent.

[MegoHulk]

Sorry , I'm the one who mentioned Mon Mothma. My bad.... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

[Siamese Sith]

Originally posted by Darth Fabulous@Nov 6 2002, 12:22 AM
Yeah, that will make him more polite and coherent.
Maybe it'll shut him up....

[DblDwn]

Originally posted by MegoHulk@Nov 5 2002, 11:54 PM
Sorry , I'm the one who mentioned Mon Mothma. My bad.... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif
Don't apologize because you mentioned a person in ROTJ in a thread that is about ROTJ.

[Frendon]

Originally posted by Mothman@Nov 5 2002, 05:26 PM
Hey...

Did you ever think that the amulet that Mon Mothma wears looks kind of similar to the one that Anakin made and gave to Padme in TPM?
no it doesn't look similar is the same one!!! now i'm convinced Padme IS Mon Mothma!!! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif

[FerrisWiel]

Square = Round
Silver = Bone
White Brit = Olive skinned American
Blue eyes = Brown eyes

And if any mod or administrator has a shred of mercy:
Thread = Closed

Please?

--Ferris Wiel

[Frendon]

BTW if nobody got that, i was being sarcastic

[FerrisWiel]

Either way, you've started a new theory. It doesn't take much with this crowd.

--Ferris Wiel

[Krogenar]

Is it just me, or does this whole thread seem less like a serious discussion, and more like a poorly planned bank heist?

Secondly, I'm sure Padme threw that stupid trinket in her attic, or pawned it off to one of her handmaidens. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif And Mon Mothma's <font style='width=80%; filter:glow(color=red)'>hothothothothot!!!</font>

There are plenty of examples of hot older women, like:

http://www.theruecrew.com/assets/images/MISCbluebkgrnd.jpg

Blanche Devereaux, from the Golden Girls. Remember her?
Let's close the thread! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/cool.gif

[FerrisWiel]

Wish we could go back to the good ol' days. I remember it like it was yesterday, I would put up a post about something, several people showed interest and provided insightful commentary.

Before the dark times. Before the Mothmanators.

--Ferris Wiel

[Frendon]

Originally posted by FerrisWiel@Nov 6 2002, 07:21 PM
Either way, you've started a new theory. It doesn't take much with this crowd.
no i didn't Mothman did

[FerrisWiel]

Okay, but those photos will now be cited heretofore as undeniable proof. Somehow.

--Ferris Wiel

[Frendon]

style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif as undeniable proof that they don't look nothing alike right?..............right? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/eh.gif

[FerrisWiel]

No, undeniable proof that Lucas intended for Mon Mothma to be Padme. At least at first.

Then it will denegrate into a CGI and greenscreen orgy of replacing Mon Mothma with Padme.

In my version of SW VI I would have no Mon Mothma. I would have no Padme. I would try and tie up the loose ends of the characters already in existence and attempt at creating a satisfying ending to the trilogy...leaving an open possibility for a sequel...just a lingering thread.

--Ferris Wiel

[Jedi D'oh]

I knew you were being sarcastic Frendon style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

If you people who want this thread closed are dissatisfied, post here no longer. I won't be offended.

If they replace the ROTJ actress with Natalie it would be a stupid move, same as replacing Shaw with Hayden.

[FerrisWiel]

Replace Shaw with Hayden? Brilliant! I say do it! Also, let's add dialogue between Mothma and Vader a la "When Harry Met Sally," you know, with innuendo-soaked banter...and let's have them eat in the Cantina on Tatooine and have Mothma fake orgasm! Wonderful!

--Ferris Wiel
(Not George Lucas)

If I had the chance I'd make things right by getting rid of all the family reunion crap.

[Jedi D'oh]

While we're at it, let's replace Lando with Denzel Washington, Han with Ben Affleck, and Luke with Matt Damon.

[FerrisWiel]

Jedi D'oh,

I like your thinking. You're hired.

...that is, if I were George Lucas, who I obviously am not.

--Ferris Wiel

[Jedi D'oh]

No, you're not. Didn't you dee my post in "JEJ voices Vader"? Bond is Lucas. Must be since he knows it all and we can't compete with him.

[FerrisWiel]

Yes. Excellent. Bond shall pose as...I mean Bond shall be George Lucas.

--<s>George</s>Ferris Wiel

[Jedi D'oh]

Which is too bad really, I was hoping you could get me in on the new movie and let me work at the ranch. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

[FerrisWiel]

Yes, unfortunate.

[Reverse Psychology]
Don't be looking for a PM asking you to visit Lucasfilm
[/Reverse Psychology]

Heh. I'm so slick.

--Ferris Wiel

[Jedi D'oh]

Did you just try the mind trick on me?

[Krogenar]

Originally posted by Jedi D'oh@Nov 7 2002, 01:45 PM
While we're at it, let's replace Lando with Denzel Washington, Han with Ben Affleck, and Luke with Matt Damon.
I could stomach watching Matt Damon get his hand cut off by a lightsaber.

[FerrisWiel]

No. Mind tricks go like this:

[Mind Trick]
You will think I'm brilliant.
[/Mind Trick]

See?

--Ferris Wiel

[Jedi D'oh]

I'd rather it be his head.

[FerrisWiel]

Hey, I like Damon. At least he's not Hayden Christensen.

--Ferris Wiel

[DblDwn]

Ferris, it seems that your anarchic attempt to right the wrong of the world that is Lucas' version of ROTJ has been reduced to a conversation more suitable for either the Outlander Club or Teen Beat..............although I'm not quite sure which.

[Jedi D'oh]

It'a all comic relief, just laugh with it. No need to be serious all the time.

[FerrisWiel]

I always figured my writing style fit better with Highlights for Children. Unfortunately, it would appear that you can't even keep up with that since you can't stay on topic during our current light-hearted exchanges.

Additionally, the topic was spot-on for a while until, through no fault of my own, it spiraled into a Dada-esque mess of Mothmanation. Then, through my own attempts at mirth, did I attempt to save it. This is the result.

*kiss kiss*

--Ferris Wiel

[Siamese Sith]

Fat, <s>drunk</s>....annoying, and stupid is no way to go thru life son. :withstupid:

[FerrisWiel]

You know, just because I'm having a disagreement with him doesn't mean I won't defend dbldown from libelous statements like that.

Oh, and thank God the Flame Squad has arrived.

--Ferris Wiel

[Krogenar]

Originally posted by DblDwn@Nov 7 2002, 03:40 PM
Ferris, it seems that your anarchic attempt to right the wrong of the world that is Lucas' version of ROTJ has been reduced to a conversation more suitable for either the Outlander Club or Teen Beat..............although I'm not quite sure which.
I'm going to say its more fitting for 'Teen Beat' with just a dash of 'Highlights' and 'Boy's Life' for flavoring.

[Siamese Sith]

Originally posted by FerrisWiel@Nov 7 2002, 03:26 PM
Oh, and thank God the Flame Squad has arrived.


FLAME ON!

[Krogenar]

http://www.gdarkness.com/4degrees/nuke.gif :0

[DblDwn]

Originally posted by Siamese Sith@Nov 7 2002, 01:24 PM
Fat, <s>drunk</s>....annoying, and stupid is no way to go thru life son. :withstupid:
Were you referring to me or Ferris?

And Ferris, I understand the humor and light-heartedness that was transpiring but I just find it humorous that you initially began this as a serious thread so that you could vent your hatred for ROTJ and share with all of us how the all-mighty filmmaker Ferris would have done it, but instead the thread turned into a big comic relief from all of the serious conversations in other threads.

Kudos my friend,,,,,,,,,,,,,

[FerrisWiel]

dbldown,

After tearing down ROTJ for years I've had any number of people tell me that I should "quit *****ing" and say what I would have done. As a result, I wrote down my ideas and I tried to be constructive (not tearing down ROTJ) and build my own version. Some people don't like it. This I can take. Some have questions. These I answer. Then some are downright insulting, personally, or go off topic. These trolls drive me up a wall.

In even the worst of my "*****ing" I've tried to provide any number of supports for my problems with ROTJ, ANH and AOTC. I've tried being funny. I'll admit, I've been rude myself on occasion, but rarely unprovoked (of course there was that one time with the whole mistaken identity "preteen" thing - for that, I'm sorry, really).

This thread was started as an attempt at righting most of the wrongs and engaging in a bit of creativity.

I'm sorry if it offended anybody's sensibilities.

I'm also sorry for the whole "preteen" debacle.

I'm also sorry for being a hothead.

I'm also sorry that they cancelled "Manimal."

--Ferris Wiel

[DblDwn]

I understand all that.

I was being somewhat antagonistic when I repeatedly stated Mon Mothma's name over and over again in this thread. For that I don't apologize because I was just adding to the humor.

I will however leave you to this thread of yours so that you may share with those interested your opinions on a better way to make ROTJ.

Best of luck to you and to all.

[Mothman]

Originally posted by Frendon+Nov 6 2002, 08:13 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Frendon @ Nov 6 2002, 08:13 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-FerrisWiel@Nov 6 2002, 07:21 PM
Either way, you've started a new theory. It doesn't take much with this crowd.
no i didn't Mothman did[/b][/quote]
I've been out of this thread for a couple of days...

I was just kidding when a brought up the amulet thing; just looking to see what people would say. Someone had mentioned Mon Mothma again, so I just threw in that necklace comment. Sorry to take things off topic. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blush.gif

[FerrisWiel]

This is turning into a big group hug. It warms my heart.

--Ferris Wiel

[Javen]

Originally posted by FerrisWiel@Nov 8 2002, 05:27 PM
This is turning into a big group hug. It warms my heart.

--Ferris Wiel
And your the one that needs the hug.

[FerrisWiel]

Thank you ^_^

At least, I think...

--Ferris Wiel

[Isamu Starkiller]

Boy you sure have some great ideas! How would you remake the phantom menace??

[FerrisWiel]

I've been working on that, actually. It's nowhere near as complete as this one, just some very basics. I am wondering if I should pull from the decent points in TPM or go spanking new. Either way, I appreciate the feedback.

Is there anything you disagree with or would like to see tweaked?

--Ferris Wiel

[Darth Badly]

Originally posted by FerrisWiel@Nov 11 2002, 05:12 AM
I've been working on that, actually. It's nowhere near as complete as this one, just some very basics. I am wondering if I should pull from the decent points in TPM or go spanking new. Either way, I appreciate the feedback.

Is there anything you disagree with or would like to see tweaked?

--Ferris Wiel



Because the "decent points" would be..what exactly? ? ?

[FerrisWiel]

lol, DB,

Behave. I'm trying to be more civil...I liked the Qui-Gon Jinn character...perhaps I could mould him into an early-thirties Obi.

Oh, and what do you think of my EP6 ideas?

--Ferris Wiel

[Lord Laviathan]

You have a very intresting story here, what i like most about it was there were no ewoks thank God theres someone who hates them as bad as me. The thing i dont care for was the Jabba thing, but its your story when and if you write your full story and script I would like to read it. Thank you for standing up for what you believe in and the guts to post it.