Clones = OT Stormtroopers?

[Wolfe_13]

I have been thinking and are the emperial stormtroopers clones? Are they like recruits or what?

[Blizzard]

I don't know yet, what do you think?

[Wolfe_13]

I have no clue. Lucas never has mentioned anything to my knowledge whether the Empire has a "Uncle Sam" thing going or not. If these guys aren't clones I suppose that Anakin's quote "... mind tricks only work on the weak minded." Maybee they are just stupid. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wacko.gif

[dexterlennon]

you never know, could be GL's own commentary on the state of the US army... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif

[threeP0]

I don't really think so. I have the opinion that The Empire gets the Stormtroopers by taking over different planets and making the young men of the planet join the Empire or face severe consequences. (death) Or possibly the planet just becomes brainwashed by the Emperor's ideals and everyone just joins on there own. Either way, I believe that the Stormtroopers are conscripts.

[ChanChanMan16]

well i know that it is popular opinion that the expanded universe has nothing to do with the movies, but ill say this anyway -
i read a book (of course i can't remember the title) but it was about a stormtrooper recruit that had beaten the brain washing proces he had been put through by the imperials. this would indicate that palpatine had either stopped the use of clones, or that he had mearly decided to supplement his clone army with real recruits.
also, remember that all of luke's friends had gone off to become part of the imperial army - also a stroing indicator of actual recruits in the army. the reason luke met biggs before the battle of yavin as because bigss had jumped ship to find and join the rebels.
but thats just my two cents.

[LukeJWalker]

i am pretty sure that the stormtroopers are clones. They are the clone troopers in aotc but they get a name change and get new armor.

[DanielSkywalker]

I started a thread in the EPIII Speculation page that covers this topic. you guys should check it out.

[dexterlennon]

i don't think they are clones...or else when han and luke take the armor from the storm troopers in ANH, wouldn't they be surprised that both of them look the same underneath??

[LukeJWalker]

but if they new anything about the clone wars they wouldnt be surprised. maybe the cloning facilities were destroyed so tehre are only a few clones left and the others are people or wutever creature. Not sure jsut a thought.

[RollaFett]

My 2 cents: I think that the stormtroopers are clones. But to expand on dexterlennon's thought: If they are clones, why would Luke fit into the uniform so well? Remember when Leia first sees him? "Aren't you a little short for a stormtrooper?" If he was, wouldn't the uniform be to big? Hmmmm.....?

[YODAgreatest]

Head over to Daniel Skywalker's thread in the EPIII speculation forum (mentioned above.) It has at least 2 pages of interesting stuff on this subject.

[Blizzard]

Thank you, Yoda.

[Wolfe_13]

Sorry I never saw it broght up before. It is a good point on what Leia says however. It's interesting that she said he was short to be a stormtrooper, that or the Emperor wished people to only be a certain height, which I doubt with all my mind style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wacko.gif

[Swamprat_Jedi_Knight]

I took part of my responce out of the thread created by DanielSkywalker (as already mentioned), but figured I might as well add it here to!
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I think that the Stormtroopers are all individuals from all over the galaxy in service to the Empire. Obviously in a war you will loose men. More than likely most of the Clonetroopers were wiped out in the war. It soon becomes aparent to the Jedi that they are on the wrong side, so logically since they know where the Clones are made they would sabatage the facility. Of all the Emperial troops we have ever seen without helmets or masks they all look different. I know that doesnt blow the theory on the troopers being clones since they are always concealed, but it does raise some disbelief. In Episode II there were comanding officers of the clones who were clones themselves, so logically if the stormtroopers were clones wouldnt their commanding officers all look the same? They dont. Officers wore armor in Episode II, officers in the OT had cloth uniforms that displayed their faces (all different). Therefore my theory is: most of the Clones were wiped out, the cloning facilities were also, the Clonetroopers were replaced by Stormtroopers (humans from all over the galaxy), and once the Emperor had destroyed the Resistence and had control over the galaxy, he had plenty of soldiers and didn't need to make more clones to fight a handful of Rebels. Maybe all the Stormtroopers sound the same because their heads are all stuffed into enclosed helmets. - End Quote

[QuigonWindu]

I'm pretty sure all of them are clones. I can tell from a line in ANH. When Luke is dressed in a stormtrooper suit and goes to rescue Leia, she says " You look a little short to be a stormtrooper" or sumthing like that. That might be proof that all the troopers are clones. They all might be the same height


Just a thought....

[threeP0]

Possibly in order for someone to be a Stormtrooper they may have to meet a height requirement. I don't know just a thought.

[bodhisattva yoda]

george lucas has said that he had the opportunity in clones to explain both the origins of the clone wars as well as the origins of the stormtroopers, so i'm pretty confident with the knowledge that stormtroopers are clones. however, realistically speaking, it would probably be a lot cheaper to train and hire recrutes than produce clones. perhaps many of the stormtroopers are manufactured to keep a minimum number of soldiers handy and the rest are recruted. recrutes would probably be considered by the empire even more expendable than the clones simply because they're cheaper. as far as destroying the cloning facilities on kamino is concerned, if the empire has the means to build deathstars and super star destroyers and everything, i'm sure they'd have the means to start up another cloning facility. that's all.

[RollaFett]

Quigonwindu- I sort of already mentioned the short comment. Don't ever try to steal my thunder again. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/mad.gif j/k

[QuigonWindu]

Sorry GollaFett i missed it. You dont got to get so angr, it was a mistake. Jeez

[Count Dooku]

I wish I knew. I'am wandering also what happens to these Clone Soldiers? What if they are converted to Stormtroopers like Wolfe said? Hmmmm I guess we'll find out in three years.

[Wolfe_13]

Those three years are going to take forever style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif . It won't be so bad when the AOTC DVD comes out to watch it over and over again not to mention the background and behind the scenes stuff. Three years Wow :look:

[wagnike2]

I think that the clones eventually become the storm troopers. at the end of the clone wars the empire is majorly winning so I think that at that point he takes control of the clone army. also regarding the quote about "aren't you short to be a stormtrooper" I don't think that all the stormtroopers are clones... I think that some of the stormtroopers are just open recruits from planets the empire has taken over.. also regarding the wouldn't han and luke be surprised when they took off the armor? I think not because every stormtrooper wouldn't be the same since jango fett was the original clone model and he dies so they would've had to get a new clone model.. because in episode II they say the require jango's dna for each batch.. so yea

[Wolfe_13]

Are the Stormtroopers, if recruits, made to be a certain height otherwise one can't become a Stormtrooper? I think not. And why couldn't they use Jango's son Bobba. He is an unchanged clone of Jango is he not?

[DanielSkywalker]

Well, see, I think that the clone wars will end at the beginning of EPIII, and I think this is how the Empire forms. At the end of the war, Palpatine still has his "War Powers" and he then declares himself Emperor (or whatever), claiming that the "corrupt" Jedi need to be disposed of in order for the new order to advance. He will probably blame the Clone Wars on the Jedi or something like that. So, I don't know if there will be an empire until at least 30 minutes into the film. As for the cloners using Boba's DNA, I don't know if he would've gone for that. He just seems rougher around the edges then Jango. I know they're the same person, but I think Boba Fett is just badder.

[RollaFett]

Quigonwindu- j/k means just kidding. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[QuigonWindu]

Ok i was just kidding too

[Wolfe_13]

Yes I got to admit to be able to take on Obi was a great feat for Jango. He was a bad butt. I regret his death but plot and stuff ya know. I think we really have never seen much of Bobba in the OT that also was unfortunate.

[darth scourge]

If you seen the new dvds youll know stormtroopers arent clones of Jango Fett.No voice dubbs.As for height restrictions the british police force had a height restriction back in the day where you had to be over 5' 9''.Maybe Palpatine wanted a smart looking formation of troops instead of giants mixed with dwarfs.

[Kapit]

thread already made aboot this

[bluemilk]

Originally posted by Wolfe_13@Jun 13 2002, 09:20 PM
I have been thinking and are the emperial stormtroopers clones? *Are they like recruits or what?
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From my certain point of view which includes knowledge of the Expanded Universe I would say that some stormtroopers in the Original Trilogy were older clone troopers since there is only a 17 year old gap. However a lot of stormtroopers were humans that were in the service to the Empire. For example Kyle Katarn according to lore was a stormtrooper before he found out that the empire had his father killed for being a secret rebel sympathizer.