TOTW 2 : Educated Guess At Ep III Plot

[StannyUK]

Hi all, im new here and thought I would share some ideas friends and I have come up with for Episode Three based on past rumours and ideas. You have probably got this in some other thread but there is way too much stuff to read through!!

1. I believe Anakin/Vader will kill padme. Dont know how but I reckon thats going to fuel his anger more for killing his true love. Accidental or on purpose, Im not sure but I just think its gonna happen.

2. Obi Wan to kick Anakins ass and leave him for dead (predictable I know but I cant wait to see the duel).

3. Anakin to be restored as Vader and then to face Dooku. Very similar to Luke Vs Vader in ROTJ where palpatine puts potential servant against servant. Maybe he gets a perverse kick out of seeing people fight to be his right hand man. With this Vader, will defeat Dooku easily and then start his first mission with killing all the jedi that have stood in his way from him becoming "the most powerful jedi ever".

3a. One friend believes that Dooku will chase Yoda to Dagobah and face him. Yoda will kill Dooku in the location of the tree where Luke gets his vision and his dark powers will "seep" into the planet at turn the location into a place of evil. I feel this is bit weird but would like to hear what you guys think!

4. A first look at Alderaan. Maybe the twins will be born here and we will we see a peaceful race very similar to Naboo.

5. Jar Jar to die. To some this will be a blessing and to others a shame. Maybe Anakin will see this and feel hateful for losing another close person (close to when he loses his mother and kills all the tusken raiders).

6. Death star to be in the same state as the second one in ROTJ. With this we will see the start of "mass production". Instead of the graceful machinery of Ep1 and 2, machines like the X Wing and TIE fighter will appear as they are cheap and easily made for war. By the way, I LOVED the end of Ep2 seeing the prototype Star destroyers taking off to the Imperial Theme!!

Anyone else with different ideas that could be shared, Im sure you have all disscussed this before but Im a newbie!!!

[JediBendu]

welcome stannyUK

1. man I hope so! Although they would then have to have the birth of Luke and Leia sorted out pretty early in the film

2. ya - the infamous molten pit scene. fair amount of threads on this topic alone.

3. definitely - hadn't thought of it in ROJ terms though, would be logical

4. I hope so, RMcQ has done some really great art on Alderaan. It would be great to see it before it blows.

5. I love Jar Jar so NO he will not die. I think GL will use him again, briefly, but involved in a critical aspect of the plot.

6. maybe, but probably in an earlier stage of production than ROJ. I like the TIE idea - it would work in terms of setting up the ep456

[Jedi Knight Buhda Cho]

Greetings,

For me, the most important “clue” (if you will) is what many refer to as canon. *Meaning the info that is already presented to us in the movies. *No extended universe nonsense. *

1. Anakin killing Padme? *To me not a likely scenario unless you consider this: *Ankain/Vader is on a rampage becoming more powerful, hateful, and increasingly loyal to Palpatine/Sidious/Emperor. *In order to remove him as a threat to the Jedi and the Republic, Padme reveals a secret only 2 living creatures (her and Jar-Jar) posses. *Anakin has a slave transmitter embedded in his body. *If they detonate it they can stop him. *Thus completing the betrayal that Anakin must feel in order to turn against everyone he now holds dear. *Except Palpatine of course, who nurtures him back to health as Vader while feeding him the truth: *his wife told the Jedi about the transmitter. *Feel that VIBE? * He now is free in his mind to possibly lead an army of clones into battle against a separatist/rebel group led by his wife. *But because of Leia’s “real mother” remark to Luke in VI, I am not sure that she will die on screen. *Believe the movie “She died when I was very young.” quote Leia.

2. There is no evidence in the films that this takes place. *Vader remarks to Obi-Wan in IV “When I left you, I was but the learner, now I am the Master.” *Left not fought. *To me more plausible is that after the slave transmitter detonation scenario takes place, Obi-Wan rushes to what’s left of Anakin’s body and Anakin gives to him his light saber and says “train the boy.” *Thus giving Obi-Wan the curse/privilege of training 2 generations of Skywalkers. *Anakin may already know of the pregnancy or maybe Obi-Wan reveals it as Anakin dies in his arms alla Qui-Gon. *Or something along this line rather than a “lava” fight scene. *GL inserted the slave transmitter dialogue for a reason. *“Any attempt to escape and they blow you up.”
3. I think it is very plausible that Anakin will take on Dooku after some of the remaining Jedi join forces with the Count (but not as Vader). *
Scenario: *Count Dooku was really telling the truth to Obi-Wan about destroying the Sith. *Somehow the Jedi come to believe the Count and join with him to destroy Palpatine/Sidious/Emperor. *But possibly unbeknownst to these Jedi, Palpatine has already formed a “death oath” type bond with Anakin. *So when this fight begins, Anakin will come to Palpatine’s defense. *Thus placing him against the Jedi and maybe even Padme who now realizes the absolute evil of her former senator. *So lets hope Anakin will have revenge against the Count. *He kills Dooku. *Then he turns to destroy the remaining Jedi who have sided with Dooku against Palpatine. *Even his former master: Obi-Wan. *But before he can kill them all, Padme shares the slave transmitter info and bang – the destruction of Anakin’s body.
a. I’m not sure about the Dagobah scenario. *It could be that it is never addressed as to why Yoda goes there. *Furthermore, the cave might never be addressed either. *Perhaps Yoda long ago learned of Dagobah and its dark side presence and chose to hide there. *
But one thing is for certain: the Emperor and Vader both believe him to be dead. *Quote Vader in V “He’s just a boy. *Obi-Wan can no longer help him.” *Again in V “Obi-Wan has taught you well. *You have controlled your fear. *Now release your anger. *Only your hatred can destroy me.” *In VI, after getting kicked down the stairs, he again quips, “Obi-Wan has taught you well.”

4. Yes, Alderaan will be shown in the next film. *And I’ve even read that GL is going to film a scene with Jimmy Smits as Bail Organa to be inserted into IV as the DEATH STAR approaches. *I feel that this will be an interesting touch. *Perhaps panic breaks out as the realize that they are defenseless. *I’m not sure of the birthplace of the twins, but I feel they will be born several hours apart. *And in total secret. *Luke will be known only to Padme, Yoda, & Ob-Wan. *Leia will be known only Padme, Yoda, & Bail Organa. *This is how this great secret is kept. *And explains why Ben knows nothing of Leia until Yoda’s revelation to him on Dagobah. *Why else would Ben say, “That boy’s our last hope.” *And Yoda respond “No. *There is another.” * * * * * * * * *

5. Jar-Jar will die. *And in doing so, he will become a hero and GL will bring all the Jar-Jar haters “back to the good side”. *I feel that after realizing his responsibility in Palpatine’s rise to power, he will give his life to save Anakin or Padme or perhaps Padme from Anakin. *He will end up being a tragic, heroic figure and redeemed in the eyes of everyone.

6. I feel that there is enough technology displayed to lead to the construction of the great weapon of the DEATH STAR on the surface of a planet. *But I do not believe we will see the DEATH STAR (other than schematics) until IV. *Perhaps the destruction of this weapon will destabilize the planet’s core and thus kill many Jedi in one explosion. *Tie fighters and X-wings? *Not until IV. *Only 2-3 years between II & III. *20-30 years between III & IV. *The end of II is absolutely superb. *And if you think about it, this is the completion of Palpatine’s rise to power. *He has now successfully orchestrated a rebellion/separatist movement and been elected chancellor and been given complete dictatorial powers (as long as there’s a rebellion that is).

Please check out my response at the episode III ideas section for further speculation.

GO ANI GO!

Later,

Jedi Knight Buhda Cho

[StannyUK]

with response to obi wan and anakin fighting and obi wan leaving him for dead I can confirm that it happens. It is actually on the official SW website. Under the glossary of characters if you look under either Obi wan or anakin/vader it talks about how anakin is boastful of his saber skills and challenges obi wan to a fight. Im guessing what might start out as training practice becomes a real fight as anakins anger grows from thinking that obi wan is jealous and holding back (as he mentions to padme in Ep2).

The whole slave transmitter thing, I think that was just put in to stop people writing on boards like this saying "why didnt shmi and anakin just run for the hills?".

Also, do you think Ep IV to VI will be reworked again for their release on DVD? Could be interesting......

[Jedi Knight Buhda Cho]

Greetings,

I must admit that I do not spend any time at the Official site.

I'm looking for clues in the movies themselves as GL's website info. can always be changed. *
Which leads me to your next querry about the OT on DVD. *I think there will be some re-working such as J. Williams adding the Imperial March to Ep. IV. and the rumoured Bail Organa (Jimmy Smits) scene on Alderaan in Ep. IV as well. *I've even read wild rumours about Natalie Portman being inserted into ROTJ. *Rumours, Rumours, Rumours. *This is what makes speculation great.
I just like the idea of new and unexpected turns in the storyline. *I feel GL likes surprises kinda like Yoda commanding clones.


Later,

Jedi Knight Buhda Cho

[Winston_Sith]

Hi! Sorry not to follow your points, but I have a few ideas of my own (my thoughts are not yet complete, and only a few are very clear):

1) The Separatists are finally defeated by the Republic Clone Army, led by the Jedi. But Count Dooku, broken and in utter defeat (and left high-and-dry by Darth Sidious, I might ad; to Darth Sidious, even losing his own apprentice might not mean as much as the posibility of gaining the Jedi Chosen One); escapes and flees to Dagobah. The Jedi, hot on his trail, trace him to his hiding place and eventually slay him (maybe Anakin, full of vengeful Dark Side fury, does the do at the location of the dark tree of Luke's failure?). In the aftermath of the Republic's victory, the various member of the Separatist Confederation Of Independent Systems (i.e. the Techno Union, the Intergalactic Banking Clan etc. and, of course, the Trade Federaation) come back on board with the Republic under the terms of Unconditional Surrender. Thus, order is finally restored to the Republic. At the same time, the 'New Order' is delared (but the 'New Order' is just all those corporate intrests running amok, but under the control of Palpatine, as they were all along, really, via Darth Sidious), and Palpatine, his power now finally consolidated, assumes the Imperial Throne; a new threat is obviously needed to justify and maintain such drastic power - Palpatine now trains his sights on the Jedi Order.

2) With Count Dooku dead, the Sith Master Sidious desperately NEEDS a new apprentice and makes his final move on Anakin Skywalker; maybe the killing of Dooku by Anakin is part of the plan to bring about Anakin's fall to the Dark Side? Surely, Palpatine, as Supreme Chancellor of the Republic would have played upon Anakin's preexistent hatred of Dooku, the leader of the Jedi killing Separatists (and, btw, his own Sith apprentice) and manipulated his rage to a fever pitch?

3) Padme, after having been separated from Anakin by the neccessity of his Jedi participation in the Clone War, returns to strong-willed, pacifist Senator mode and does everything in her power to block the new Imperial powerplay and thus makes herself, along with Bail Organa and a few others, an enemy of the Empire once it is established. *

4) Jar Jar Binks, being once close to Senator Amidala; who has had absolutely nothing to do with him since he brought forth the Emergeny Powers legislation and ruined everything she had worked so hard for, will, like Lando Calrissian in TESB, see his incredible error in judgement, and look to redeem himself; it will be Jar Jar who will take the twins to their ANH locations.

5) As for the major event that turns Anakin Skywalker to the Dark Side for good (or at least until RotJ)? I haven't got a clue, and futhermore, I wouldn't dare venture a guess. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

6) Darth Sidious gives a play-by-play descriptions of all his machinations in the PT (Master Sifo-Dyas, Darth Tyranus, the Republic Clone Army, the Fall of the Chosen One - everything) and basically asks "So, what are you Jedi going to do about it?"

7) Yoda vs. Sidious and Obi-Wan vs. Anakin: Yoda is humbled by Sidious, while Obi-Wan defeats Anakin; and finding the Sith Master to strong, even for both of them, the two remaining Jedi are forced to flee to their ANH and TESB hiding places.

[Winston_Sith]

Originally posted by Winston_Sith@June 15 2002 - 00:39
In the aftermath of the Republic's victory, the various members of the Separatist Confederation Of Independent Systems (i.e. the Techno Union, the Intergalactic Banking Clans etc. and, of course, the Trade Federation) come back on board with the Republic under the terms of Unconditional Surrender.
P.S. With the Unconditional Surrender of the Techno Union, along with the rest of the Separatist factions, Wat Tambor's suit, or the technology which created it, would be available to the Empire; thus this COULD be what Palpatine/Sidious uses for Darth Vader's suit.

And also, the Unconditional surrender of the Separatists AND Anakin's fall (possibly even into a volcano?) could all happen in the first 1-1.5 hours; just imagine. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/happy.gif

And I don't necessarily like the whole Prowse idea either...

[StannyUK]

just had a thought..... what if this mysterious Sifo-Dyas was actually a sith. He died ten years before AOTC which is as we all know when TPM is set. Maybe, just maybe HE was Sidious' master and due to his ambition and desire for power he killed Sifo-Dyas to promote himself from apprientice to master before he could train Darth Maul. what say you of that people??!!

[Lonesabre]

Hi im a new viewer of this site but its the best ive found for episode 3 speculation!

Heres some tit-bits I've found on the web...

Firstly I believe that much of the events will hang on none other than QUI-GON! Many reasons support this, Qui-gon was Count Dookus padawan and therefore i think would be loyal to him. This would in turn make Qui-Gon a "Sith double agent" (!?) Also I agree with what Qui-Gon said in TPM that "nothing happens by accident" and "finding him was the will of the force", this makes me think that the landing on tattooine was in some way set up (??)
This in turn brings me to the idea that either Qui-Gon or Count Dooku is in fact Anakins father, more likely to be Dooku but Qui-Gon would definately know about it. Qui-Gon takes the blood sample from anakin and I believe that this might be used by the Kaminos to grow a clone of Anakin / Vader... Whatever, Qui-Gon is definately a bad seed!

Also I do not believe that Padme dies (although if she does, this would certainly be enough to push Anakin over the edge!) Leia in ROTJ could easily be talking about Mrs Bail Organa of course. I've also heard that Amidala grows up to be Mon Mothma, which i would personally love to see.

Another thing that I would love to see would be the rumoured destructon of Naboo, which might be the sepratists last stand, I do think that Naboos ruins may ultimately be the swamp world of Dagohbah... This would lead me to think that the cave where luke fails could actually have been the birth place of the chosen one... not Anakin but the REAL chosen one, Luke himself... "theres something familiar about all this, like something out of a dream..." from TESB

I'd love to hear some feed back on these ideas, I know there a bit far out!!!

[Darth Jesus]

Alright, here's the plot points I see developing in Ep. III (some of which I've already touched on in the "Secret Identities" thread, at greater length). Here goes:

1) Obi-Wan and Anakin will fight, Anakin will appear (in Obi-Wan's eyes) to be dead, and Obi-Wan will leave. Then Palpatine will pick Ani up and put him in his iron can. (Obvious, I know, but you might as well go with all of 'em.)

2) Luke and Leia will be born, with Luke being entrusted to the Larses, and Leia to the Organas (again, duh).

3) R2 and 3PO will have their memory wiped (again, duh, and I'm surprised more people didn't figure that out before Lucas spelled it out for everyone).

4) Sifo-Dyas will be revealed as Sidious (see "Secret Identities" thread for more).

5) Palpatine will be revealed as a clone of Sidious/Sifo-Dyas (see "Secret Identities" thread for more).

6) Mace Windu will be revealed as a traitor (see "Secret Identities" thread for more).

7) We'll see a Sith Council, which will all but be wiped out by the end of the movie (based on rumors that have been floating around for years). Mace will be part of that Council.

8) Luke and Leia will be born on Dagobah (based on long-term rumors and Luke's feeling of odd familiarity with the planet in ESB - "Something about this place seems familiar," or something very similar.) Furthermore, Mace, Obi-Wan, and Yoda will be with Amidala at the time, and this is where Mace will be revealed as the traitor, trying to kill or kidnap the newborn Skywalkers. Yoda will kill him, and Mace's final resting place will be the Cave (based on rumors and speculation - but someone bad must die in that cave). Obi-Wan will leave with Amidala and the children, leaving Yoda behind.

9) Aurra Sing will play a large role in this one (she's a Jedi hunter, and she appeared extremely briefly in Ep. I).

10) The Millennium Falcon will appear as a brand-new ship (based on rumor). I predict it will be piloted by A) Bail Organa, B) Aurra Sing, or C) the rumored female Sith that's supposed to have something to do with Anakin's downfall.

11) We'll see a clone of Darth Maul (as part of the Sith Council).

12) Anakin will only appear as Vader very briefly at the end of the film (this has already been more or less revealed by James Earl Jones), and will not do any fighting.

13) Palpatine will make Anakin believe that Amidala and Obi-Wan - the only two people in the galaxy he truly loves - are having an affair. This will bring about Anakin's break with goodness, and lead to his final confrontation with Obi-Wan.

14) Anakin will have an affair with a female Sith after finding out about Obi-Wan and Amidala's "affair" (based on rumor). Amidala will find out about it, and leaves Anakin without telling him she's pregnant (based on rumor/speculation). Therefore, Anakin will not know that he has children. (Anakin's ignorance of the pregnancy/children was revealed by Obi-Wan to Luke in ROTJ, though he could have been lying again, but that's doubtful).

I think that's about it for my big predictions. We'll see in 3 years.

[smwolfson]

I don't think it really makes sense for Anakin to kill Padme mainly because Leia says in EP6 that she remembers her mother. While she may have been talking about a foster mother and not Padme, it did not feel like that when watching the movie. It seemed in that scene that Luke was talking about how he knows their father and she knew their mother and together they knew the whole family. Any way, that's just my take on that. As far as Obi Wan fighting Anakin, I think it's going to happen if just because that is the story that fans have built around it for over 20 years now. And it makes sense. Anakin goes to kill Obi Wan, Obi Wan is too good, wins (maybe with the help of Yoda), and Anakin is horribly scared for the rest of his life--hense the reason he hates Obi Wan so much. By the way, did it seem to anyone else that Vader did not know about Yoda? He was always talking about Obi Wan this and Obi Wan that, never Yoda. Sure, maybe he thinks that Yoda is dead, but I don't know, it just never felt like that....

[StannyUK]

People People People!!! remember at heart this is a kids film. your going on about more twists than a helter skelter!! No way will Mace Windu be evil, he killed Jango and also he would have been felt by the Jedi Council. Also I dont think there will be a sith council. Palpatine wants FULL control not to be run by a group of sith. It would of been touched on in either Episode 1 or 2. I think the film has to be about 2 1/2 long anyway to get everything in. I agree that we might not see Vader until the very end maybe standing at palpatines side or on a early version of a Star Destroyer.
As for the qui gon theory. That is work of even greater fantasy than GL is capable of. Neeson had one film to fullfill and played a jedi who dealt his own cards. I see it hard to believe that he will be evil. Dont forget that Dooku was just trying to anger Obi wan when he talks about how he was qui gons master.

[Darth Jesus]

I don't know that Lucas has ever said that, at heart, the Star Wars films are ultimately "kid" films, but I suppose that's a matter of opinion. In fact, Lucasfilm has already stated that they didn't pursue fast food tie-in promotions for Ep. II (and won't for Ep. III) specifically because those two films are more adult in nature, especially III. Furthermore, given that he has to tell a story that's more or less set in stone - e.g., Anakin becomes Darth Vader and the Republic and the Jedi fall - it seems to me that he would try to put in as many twists and turns as possible to keep it interesting. So I definitely think things aren't as straightforward as some think they are...and I definitely think Mace is a traitor (and that Palpatine is a clone). Yes, Mace killed Jango - a man that the Jedi council had explicitly said it wanted captured for questioning, to reveal who his masters were. (And he didn't kill Dooku when he had the chance...why not?)

As for people who say that Lucas likes to keep it simple - WTF??? "Old Ben" revealed as an ancient warrior, Obi-Wan, in Ep. 1; Lando a traitor, then a hero again, in Ep. II; Vader revealed as Luke's father in Ep. II; Leia and Luke revealed as brother and sister in Ep. III? Yeah, that's a guy who likes to make movies where everything is as it seems...)

Still, Qui-Gon as a traitor? I don't buy that. After all, when Yoda's meditating and Anakin is slaughtering the Tusken Raiders, we clearly hear Qui-Gon's voice saying, "Anakin, no!" (Followed by the sound of Vader breathing, no less.) If Qui-Gon was evil, and is now an evil Sith spirit, wouldn't he be saying, "Go, Anakin, Go!"?

[Martini]

...and I definitely think Mace is a traitor (and that Palpatine is a clone). Yes, Mace killed Jango - a man that the Jedi council had explicitly said it wanted captured for questioning, to reveal who his masters were. (And he didn't kill Dooku when he had the chance...why not?)

OH PLEASE!!! He didnt kill him when he had the chance cause he needed to talk to him, then the driods came after him and its HOLLYWOOD!! duh! And how would Palpatine be a clone!?! no chance in hell. Yea Mace might be a traitor, but highly unlikely. I just dont think theres gonna be any BIG surprises in the next film.

I think people will like it more and believe it less if there are NO surprises like "i am your father". But maybe GL can pull it off somehow. i just think people like myself and older people had a better time watching AOTC cause everyone kept saying "ohhhhh yeaaaa, so thats how that goes" like with the stormtroopers, the bounty hunter, the emperor, the star destroyers, the death star......etc etc. I think that would be better for EPISODE III

[StannyUK]

you say the films are aimed at a more mature audience? Arent they rated U or PG films (UK film certificates meaning suitable for anyone capable of getting to a cinema to see a film). Mace Windu is like yodas side kick, the second best Jedi Master in the universe. Unless your gonna read into the fact that he has a purple lightsabre which is like a mixture of Sith Red and Jedi Blue.ooooh have i just started a new rumour??
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[Darth Jesus]

That's the great thing about opinions - everyone has one. We'll see in three years who's right, who's wrong, and who no longer cares...

[StannyUK]

Hmmmmmmmmm the more I think about it, the more believable I find the whole Mace Windu being evil story to be. Just think, anakin discovers that Windu is a sith, confronts and beat him much to the disgust of the council who turn on Anakin. Feeling hurt,angry and rejected he has no one to turn to BUT.........Palpatine. the rest (as they say) is history

[Martini]

YEA YEA! what if Mace Windu is part of the Lost 20? not that they mentioned it in AOTC, but still it could work. And him and Dooku are partners in this clone wars mess. This could have everyone of us have our way. Anakin kills Mace to take the emperors side and yoda kills dooku on degobah

ANOTHER QUESTION:::::

How does everyone here think Anakin will get the name DARTH VADER? does palpatine give it to him, does he choose, or does.......I dont know. im clueless on this one.

[C3P0]

I know for a fact that Obi-Wan and Anakin fight in a battle after Anakin turns to the dark side. I think that Anakin will probably join the dark side because of Padme dying and how he was mad the Obi-Wan was "holding him back" becuase of his talents. Anakin gets wounded nearly to death in the battle against Obi-Wan but his anger keeps him alive. Then he turns into Darth Vader. In Episode 4, Darth Vader battles Obi-Wan one last time to pay him back for the damage he did. I know these things for a fact but have no clue what else may happen in Epsiode 3!

[echoseven]

Well, George Lucas told me at dinner the other night that Anakin would turn to the dark side and fight ob1 then turn good again, then ob1 would make a comment about Padme's fine ass and he would go to the dark side again, then ob1 would say that Palpatine made him say that and he didn't mean it so Anakin turns back to good again, then ob1 says he's going to "hit it tonight" referring to Padme and Anakin turns bad again, then Jar Jar runs up to Anakin and says "wasa matta anni!! me sa miss you soooo much!!". Jar Jar accidentally bumps into Anakin and knocks him into a pit of molten lava. ob1 leaves him for dead and knocks up Padme later that night. When Anakin is saved by Palpatine he gives him the mechanical suit to keep him alive and Vader swears to get revenge. He kills all the jedi cause none will tell him where ob1 is. Jar Jar tells ob1 what happened and then he gets some lovin from Padme. Jar Jar chokes on his own tongue in the excitement and ob1 goes to Dagobah to tell Yoda about how much a hoe Padme is. Yoda summons Padme to Dagobah and gets it on in the dark tree cave, then uses his most powerful force ability yet, rapid baby grow. Padme gives birth, ob1 takes Luke and Padme takes Leia to Alderaan where she becomes Jimmy Smits *****. Vader is so pissed, he becomes the most powerful sith ever with all the anger flowing through him. BUT, he cannot disobey Palpatine because he has the only remedy for Vader's VD that he got from Padme.
In the end, we are left with the question: Who is really the father of Luke and Leia?

[StannyUK]

style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif ok who needs to lay off the strong stuff :p i sense much alcohol in you............

[Lonesabre]

Just a thought on one of the last scenes of EP3.

Has anyone ever seen Kevin Costners The Bodyguard? no? well im not surprised its not tht much of a classic!

Anyway, after Kev has saved Whitney and moved on to his next job right at the end of the film the camera moves along the distance of a long conference room and then begins to focus on some old guy who is stood talking. Suddenly the camera moves over the guys shoulder and then begins to focus on Kev who is quietly stood behind him...

What relivance has this I hear you say!?

Well I think one of the final scenes will be set on Alderahn and the camera will move along a long, posh, stately room, filled with dignitaries. Sat there are Bail Organa and his wife who are carefully holding "their" little baby girl. The camera pans right over Bail Organas left shoulder begins to focus on the long line of handmaidens stood behind the couple, as the camera starts to move to one maiden inparticular, a rye smile appears on her face as she sees that "her" child is safe and well.. Padme, hood up covering her face just like the orange dressed handmaidens in TPM.

This would enable Padme to servive and help raise her child from a far.

Just another idea, let me know!

ps, I know what Leia says to Luke about her mother dying when she was very young, but im with the theory that should could be talking about Mrs Organa.


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[Mann]

Okay, so here is my theory:

The Clone Wars end at the beginning of the film. The Senate is in absolute chaos becasue they are split on wheather to allow Chancellor Palpatine to keep his authority for life. He doesn't want it, but before he can deny the honor, Sidious appears (they are two different people) and kills Palpatine, taking over. He is bestowed the absolute ruler of the Republeic, deeming it an Empire. (not too unlike the Roman empire with a Senate and a Dictator, becasue they talk of the Imperial Senate in A NEW HOPE). Sidious, now Emperor Palpatine, decides to rid the Galaxy of the Jedi now that he has control of the Clone Army. The Jedi fight the clones, but are defeated and must flee. The few that remain run to Distant planets. Obi-wan, Yoda and Mace Windu decide to take on Sidious as a group. Yoda believes he can beat him alone (he admits he was wrong in ROTJ when he warns "Do not underestimate the powers of the Emperor") The Three Jedi rush to fight Sidious, they would be able to beat him if they were all together. Boba Fett comes into play as a hired officer for Palpatine. He is able to beat Windu in a duel and ends up using a disentegrating blaster to finish him off. ("No disentegrations"-Vader in Empire). OBi-Wan and Yoda are left to fight Sidious. they are beaten hard and forced to flee, separating themselves to make sure they can hide. Obi-wan travels to Naboo to find Anakin. at this time Anakin and Padme are fighting off The Clone army. Anakin is flying in a ship destroying starships with ease. Padme is in the palace which is destroyed as well as the entire city. Anakin sees this and thinks she is dead, as well as his children. She survives but hides. Obi-Wan comes to Naboo to see it devastated. He then begins to search for Anakin who has gone to search for Dooku. The two fight infront of the Emperor who is taunting Anakin with the Darkside He is able to beat Dooku and becomes Darth Vader. When OBi-Wan arrives he fights Vader. Vader is beaten, falling into a pit. Obi-Wan flees as the Emperor tries to catch him. HE finds Padme and takes her to Dagobah with Yoda. There Luke and Leia are born. Obi-Wan takes Luke to Tatooine, Padme takes Leia to Alderaan. Padme is last seen flying away from the planet. Vader is fixed by Palpatine and begins to hunt down The JEdi for his master. Well, it seems complex, and it sounds long. I'll try to fix it a little. any comments?

[Mann]

:doze: About the Death Star also. I think that maybe it might be in the film. The plans could, and Obi-Wan could see the plans. That is why he is able to recognize it in A NEW HOPE. It is just a thought, but if it is built, it would seem wierd that it wasn't used for almost twenty years.

[SHAGTOPMAN]

ALOT OF YOU ARE ALL WRONG. LUKE AND LEIA WILL BE COVERED IN THE SCROLLING BEFORE THE MOVIE STARTS AS WILL ALOT OF THE REST OF THIS. IF YOU HAVE SEEN THE TIMELINE OF THE SERIES,LUKE AND LEIA WILL BE 4 YRS OLD IN EPI 3. NOW SOME THINGS WILL BE ANSWERED, BUT WERE NOT GONNA SEE YEARS TAKE COURSE OVER THE ONE MOVIE.
IF ONE THING IS EVIDENT ITS THAT EACH MOVIE REVOLVES A CERTAIN INCIDENT AND THE ADVENTURE TAKES PLACE OVER MAYBE A FEW DAYS AT MOST.
SO DIGEST THIS AND I'LL BE BACK IN A FEW DAYS WITH A VERY LOGICAL PLOT.

[Mann]

I keep reading these posts and think of new things to say. So when you say Leia was referring to Mrs. Organa, are you sure. LUke asks her about her REAL mother. Leia knows she was adopted. I think Padme and Leia hide out for a little while, now that i think about it, and then she gives her to Bail. It would be interesting. Padme leaves to find a place to hide. I doubt they will kill off a major character like Padme. Lucas is too into her. I wish he left the whole history about her in the film that would have been cool.

[Darth Jesus]

Hate to disagree with you, Shagtopman, but everything I've heard and read indicates that L&L aren't going to born until the end of the movie, with the final scene being that of Obi-Wan leaving Luke with the Larses, then heading out into the Tatooine dessert. Furthermore, Lucas himself has already said that Ep. III takes place appx. 1-2 years after Ep. II. Also, Natalie Portman has already confirmed that Amidala will be pregnant in Ep. III. Given that, L&L as four-year-olds makes no sense whatsoever (unless they grew them in a bacta tank or something).

[LukeJWalker]

Darth Jesus i dont think there will be clones of Palpatine and Maul thats just getting a little far fetched, and for a sith council again i think is wrong. Only two there are, a master and an aprentice.

[StannyUK]

i agree with LukeJSkywalker. I think people are trying to really think deep about major twists that can happen. Palpatine and Sidious ARE the same person. Have none of you watched The Phantom Menace of DVD with the commentary. Its impossible for them to be different people. Also even in the OT there is only two sith, vader and palaptine. Its a theme that runs throughout. Wouldn't a mass of sith been mentioned by Obi wan or yoda in the OT talking about a force war or something?
You have to think, if this was the First Trilogy it would be a major twist to us that "the chosen one" becomes a dark lord of the sith but because we has Ep4 -6 first we know roughly what to expect......

[Darth Vegas]

bump

[Obi-Stu]

Talk about the unregistered convention.

Doesn't alot of this seem a little outdated since all the revelations from the various Hyperspace chats?

[Darth Vegas]

Maybe a little, but looking back through the archives it's funny to see we're still talking about the same things going on two years later, only many of those things have since been confirmed and denied. This was still a nice thing to look back at, and maybe put our two cents in.

[Lord D2]

I have to disagree with Shagtopman as well and another theory stating that padme becomes Mon mothma (is that a title or a person by the way?) Most of what i have read says if L&L are in the movie at all it is at the very end as infants.

I also think that padme will be dead by or MIA by the time L&L are 4. Luke is seperted from Padme at birth, but Leia remains with her for a little while. Remember in ROTJ Luke says he has no memory of his mother and that he never knew her. Leia does, however, vaguely remember her.