The Death Stars Effects On Alderaan

[RougePilot09]

When the Death Star came into the Alderaan system, did it effect the weather and tides and do all kinds of messed up things to the atmosphere? To the effect of adding a moon to earth?

[Darth Palpy]

Possibly but it didn't really matter as they obliterated it and put an end to all that anyway.

[RougePilot09]

But beyond the blowing up thing...shouldn't that have happened? I am curious of the scientific ramafacations of such an even.

[Tovor]

If you wanted to get "realistically" scientific about this, I don't think the Death Star was close enough to the planet for Alderaan to be affected by it's gravitation, and I don't think that it had enough mass to create enough gravity to affect it by much even if it were closer. Our moon has a diameter of 2,160 miles, while the Death Star had a diameter of roughly 100 miles (I think the DS in ANH was 75 miles wide, and 100 miles wide in ROTJ, according to the ILM design drawings that were published in 1983.), not anywhere near enough mass to create enough gravity to affect a planet 10's of thousands of miles away.

[RougePilot09]

HMMMM...dissapointing....

[Tovor]

Sorry. I'd tell you that there's no sound in space either, but I don't want to hit you with too much at once. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue2.gif

[cj790]

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[Bandersnatch]

If you want to get really picky, the Death Star would have to be alot farther away from Alderaan when it blew the planet up, to avoid being self-destructed.

[darth bangkok]

i don't think there would be fire in explosions either. not sure though.

about the sound: there is one scene that i always think about how there is no sound in space when i see it. for some reason, in AOTC when jango is chasing obi-wan through the ring around kamino, it always comes to my mind.

[RougePilot09]

what does no sound in space have to do with what were talking about? I know there is no sound in space...you want a good example of this well done...go watch Firefly. No air = no sound...i know...I understood that before you had to "point it out to me". I was only curiouse and brought it up because me and my buddy were talking about the Moon a jupiter being so round it could be a space station...this led to discussions of how the death star would have effected Alderaan if it were to come into orbit like a moon...i was hoping for some intellectual discussion about this idea but from the looks of all ill get is goaded and mocked...waste of my time. And i can only assume from the way you talk down to me, you fell supirior in some way...thinking you can degrade others genuine questions with irrelevent factual information...yeah theres no sound in space...and your point is? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/banghead.gif

[RollaFett]

Uhhh...I believe that a little humor was the point.

[darthimmus]

I know the SW universe bends the rules on sound in space, but the are so cool it's good that they do. But I chuckle every time Ben Burtt talks about how Jango's seismic charges create an "audio black hole"

[Tovor]

Originally posted by RougePilot09@Oct 29 2004, 10:58 AM
what does no sound in space have to do with what were talking about? I know there is no sound in space...you want a good example of this well done...go watch Firefly. No air = no sound...i know...I understood that before you had to "point it out to me". I was only curiouse and brought it up because me and my buddy were talking about the Moon a jupiter being so round it could be a space station...this led to discussions of how the death star would have effected Alderaan if it were to come into orbit like a moon...i was hoping for some intellectual discussion about this idea but from the looks of all ill get is goaded and mocked...waste of my time. And i can only assume from the way you talk down to me, you fell supirior in some way...thinking you can degrade others genuine questions with irrelevent factual information...yeah theres no sound in space...and your point is?* style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/banghead.gif
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Dude, ease up, I'm not attacking you or mocking you. In the first post of mine I gave a straight up answer based on my own understanding, as an answer to a legitimate question. The second post was a joke meant for all of us, because we all enjoy sound and fiery explosions in space even though we know it isn't real. But I feel in no way superior to you and I was not looking down on you. I'm the kind of guy who responds to non-fan statements that lightsabers aren't logical (how could a beam of light be restricted to 3 feet, and how could light beams strike against other light beams and not be able to penetrate through the other?), and how can gravity be created on starships, and negated for air transports and floating platforms? with a "so what, it's fantasy, accept it." But I also wonder about similar questions as you. In one of my unfinished novels, there are two planets with wide orbits around neighboring stars, which come within thousands of miles of each other once a year. In a science-based forum for sci-fi writers that I had been active with until a few years ago, I asked what kind of changes would occur on each world as they neared each other, like increased tides and electromagnetic disturbances, ect., and the answers I got was that the increasing gravity would cause massive earthquakes that would tear each of the worlds apart the first time they came so close to each other...making any future close passes non applicable. Not to mention that the increased radiation put out from the two close stars would make life on either of the worlds impossible. I said, "c'mon guys, give me science but let me tell a story, I have to bend some rules of science for my story to work (faster than light travel, anyone?)." Nobody mocked me for my questions, and I in no way was mocking you for yours. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

My point really was, that you were dissappointed by my answer that the gravity was negatable, so I basically said we can accept sound in space in our favorite movies, so there's nothing wrong with playing with the idea of gravity effects on Alderaan, though it would be minute. Hey buddy, this whole board is for people who love the non-realistic concepts of the Star Wars movies, so if someone doesn't want to deal with one concept that isn't logical, then I won't make him face the others that don't work either. Either way, I was kidding with you. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

[RougePilot09]

OK...sorry...i have a had a couple of bad experiences with people here...for the most part its all good, but occasionally you get someone you clash with.. i thiught you were mocking me and now that i c you not i appologise....(sry if i cant spell...im drunk right now) You seem like a good guy and your novel sounds good....im a writer and i understand...im just a little touchey about message board fan boy superiority....but your cool so its cool...again...im sorry.

[housse]

Is there anybody else who can't help but feel Dark Side stirrings whenever they see the ring which they put in the explosion of the first Death Star? Why did they change it so unnecessarily? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/giveup.gif

[Darth Palpy]

It looks cool ?

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[RollaFett]

Yeah, isaw nothing wrong with that at all. In fact, I prefer it.

[Matt]

Starships would explode with fire because of the oxygen stored inside escaping. Maybe there are others gasses used as well that fuel fire in the SW universe.

One word though. Space Opera. Okay two. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blush.gif

[Tovor]

Originally posted by RougePilot09@Oct 30 2004, 02:51 AM
OK...sorry...i have a had a couple of bad experiences with people here...for the most part its all good, but occasionally you get someone you clash with.. i thiught you were mocking me and now that i c you not i appologise....(sry if i cant spell...im drunk right now) You seem like a good guy and your novel sounds good....im a writer and i understand...im just a little touchey about message board fan boy superiority....but your cool so its cool...again...im sorry.
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It's all good now. BTW, your custom member title is funny. What a scary Sith bunny you must be! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

[RougePilot09]

Thnx style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif ....so anyone else have any info on what would happen to a planet if a new "moon" aka the death star showed up?

[Tovor]

^ Yeah, the inhabitants would all excrete a brick. A Death Star has that affect on digestive tracts! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/barf.gif

[RougePilot09]

style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/chortle.gif ROFL!!....LMAO!!!

[Matt]

Well, when Megatron brought Cybertron into the Earth's atmosphere, it caused major earthquakes etc on Earth.

[RougePilot09]

Yeah...thats what im talking about.

[Mediahound]

I remember reading a "report" on the web a year or so ago that was on the effects of the destruction of the second Death Star. The guy who wrote it figured the debis from the space station would cause mass destruction on Endor, and the extinction of the Ewoks.

It was cool..in a geeky sort of way...

[Matt]

Originally posted by RougePilot09@Nov 1 2004, 09:09 PM
Yeah...thats what im talking about.
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Well make me wear a 'fcuk' top. Just trying to help. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/giveup.gif No need to get all....touchy. I think someone's a tad... frustrated.... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/chortle.gif I crack myslef up.

[RougePilot09]

Wha....so confused....head...going...to...Explo...::explosio n::

[Matt]

Yeah sorry. I think I might have been high back there.

[Lord Light]

Has any government on earth tried to blow up anything in space just to see what would happen? Send a nuke to the moon to see the effects in space. Why else would their be fire from suns. Fire needs O2 right?

[James William Alexander Atreides]

I'm sure they tested that in the 50s but not anytime recently.

[The Arbiter]

The Death Star is too small to exert any significant gravitational influence on Alderaan. Maybe shifting the tides a little.

I reckon that the SW Galaxy would be advanced enough to save the Ewoks from the fallout created by the DS2. Endor was certainly fine after that.

Read Discworld to find out the influence of large red stars on tectonic plate movements. Maybe Asimov's Nemesis too.

Curtis Saxon hypothesized that the "sound" we hear in the Sw movies is actually what a pilot would hear, sounds generated by a computer to make the battle easier to handle on a psychological level.

[James William Alexander Atreides]

I don't know. The Death Star was suppose to be the size of a small moon, right? If our own moon blew up, there would be effects. I wonder what the size comparison would be between the DS and the moon.

[The Arbiter]

Anything may be considered a satellite of a larger astronomical body. For example Phobos is only a few tens of miles across but is considered a major moon of Mars. Jupiter has many tiny satellites with diameters of only a few hundred kilometres.

CUSWE states that the Death Star was 120 km in diameter, about 75 miles?

[James William Alexander Atreides]

And how big is our moon?

[The Arbiter]

3475 kilometres, or 2160 miles, in diameter. www.answers.com.

[James William Alexander Atreides]

So there wouldn't be much effects, if any.

[The Arbiter]

Perhaps not.

This reminds me of NJO and Zonama Sekot. Now that is big.

[James William Alexander Atreides]

Yeah, I remember that.

[Sarah-Leia]

Thank me, I am bumping this thread.

I don't think it would have an effect, it's not really a moon with proper gravitational pull, just enough to have a tractor beam and gravity machines to enable the staff to walk in it.

[Sarah-Leia]

CUSWE states that the Death Star was 120 km in diameter, about 75 miles?
And how big is our moon?
3475 kilometres, or 2160 miles, in diameter.
See, the Death Star is tiny! No body that size would be able to have tidal effects on a large planet.

[JMAS]

When the Death Star came into the Alderaan system, did it effect the weather and tides and do all kinds of messed up things to the atmosphere? To the effect of adding a moon to earth?

I would say no. Because I don't think the Death Star had a field of gravity. Sure it had to have artificial gravity internally, but I don't think there is any reason why it would have produced a gravitic field externally that would effect tides and atmospheres of other worlds.