Why did Yoda Run?

[Wolfe_13]

??? What exactly is the reason Yoda ran to an akward planet as degaba? Was he scared, I don't think so. Let's hear from you what do you think?

[QuigonWindu]

Thats a tough one. Maybe he realised he was getting older and his connection to the force was weakening. So he wouldnt be able to protect his thoughts. If that happened then the empire would find out about Luke and Leia. Maybe he went into hiding because he didnt want to reveal himself to the empire. In ANH Tarkin and Vader both seem to think Obi-Wan was the last remaining jedi, so they must've thought yoda was dead.

[Aurra Sing]

I agree, if the Empire knew Yoda was still alive it would have been different. Yoda hid himself and sooner became help to bringing balance to the force when he trained Luke. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[Swamprat_Jedi_Knight]

I believe Yoda went to Dagaba because:

1. After most of the Jedi were killed he realized that he single-handedly couldn't defeat the Empire or the Sith running it. So he went to a remote planet where one day he could possibly come back and start the Jedi order up again.

2. He chose Degaba because of the vast amount of life on the planet, which made the force stronger there. Since it was inhabited, it would be very unlikely he would be discovered there.

[The only one]

he didnt want to face vader yoda couldnt have takeing vader at his highest power. he had to find luke to step in

[Wolfe_13]

To the "only one". I don't understand why you think this. Luke was an apprentice, and for how long was he in training? Not long. I believe that Yoda knew he was beginning to die. He knew he had to balance the force out with the chosen one, but yet his power's weren't diminished to the point he couldn't hold himself off against Vader.

[The only one]

vader at full power would take yoda at ful power thats just the way it is i think yoda in the 3rd most powerful brhind luke and his father so vader would take him

[threeP0]

"1. After most of the Jedi were killed he realized that he single-handedly couldn't defeat the Empire or the Sith running it. So he went to a remote planet where one day he could possibly come back and start the Jedi order up again."

I believe that comment pretty much sums it up, but I would like to add that the infamous dark cave on Dagobah might have overpowered the light side that Yoda brought, so the Emperor or Vader could not feel his presence.

[Darth Drew]

Hey I got an idea style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/exclamation.gif What about if we all wait till EP-III ! what does everybody think? *looks at calender* oh that three years from now he he carry on.

[Wolfe_13]

What's up with that Vader thing on Dagobah? I never really got a full grasp on it. Oh by the way thanks Darth Drew for your comment. I suppose we should cut out all of this now shouldn't we. Why did you even join if you think we should sit around and wait for E3. ???

[Swamprat_Jedi_Knight]

I believe that Darth Drew was being sarcastic!!! Well maybe he was just trying to be funny, that would be more like it. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif

[Count Dooku]

I think Yoda was in hiding because he knew he had to be kept hidden, if the Empire knew he location they would try to kill him, and needed to keep Luke, and Leia a secret. And after Obi-Wan's death he was the only Jedi, Luke wasn't exactly a Jedi yet. So there are alot of mysterious about why Yoda went hiding, and he was ageing.

[Polunis]

This is a principle Yoda gives heed to: do not go looking for trouble but wait for a more opportune time. Picking a fight would be pointless and quite harmful, I might add, to the future of the Jedi; Yoda knew he was bested, so he kept a low profile.

[Winston_Sith]

Originally posted by Polunis@June 16 2002 - 02:19
Picking a fight would be pointless and quite harmful, I might add, to the future of the Jedi; Yoda knew he was bested, so he kept a low profile.
And, just how did Master Yoda realize this; by fighting Vader, or his Master? *There's more (I hope) to Sidious than the "Classic" Force Lightning, or Vader. (Yoda himself said: "Do not underestimate the power of the Emperor" i.e "as I did"?)

I see a Sidious vs. Yoda/Obi-Wan vs. Vader duel in Ep. III.

Yoda loses, Kenobi wins. The Jedi flee. The Dark Side is stronger (for the time being). Vader, the Emperor's ultimate prize, survives whatever horror he goes through (0R, prehaps, Vader would, and SHOULD have died, but the Emperor Palpatine, like a sick, money hungry HMO, does NOT pull the plug, but sustains his life for his own benefit i.e. the "fear" aspect?)

What the heck? Vader can kill Master Windu and Ki Adi Mundi for all I care... Like D. Maul in Ep. I, their characters weren't exactly expanded upon in Ep. II... ROFL.

[Winston_Sith]

Originally posted by Winston_Sith@June 16 2002 - 03:24
I see a Sidious vs. Yoda/Obi-Wan vs. Vader duel in Ep. III.
I'm sorry. This IS a Classic Trilogy thread, isn't it?

[wagnike2]

1. After most of the Jedi were killed he realized that he single-handedly couldn't defeat the Empire or the Sith running it. So he went to a remote planet where one day he could possibly come back and start the Jedi order up again."

I agree with this statement.

[Wolfe_13]

Mr. Winston Sith I am getting tired of people walking in on harmless conversations and saying things like This IS a Classic Trilogy thread, isn't it? It gets on my nerves let the conversation go where it will. People constantly break everyone's new threads up for reasons I believe are of stupidity, sorry my harsh words it just really ticks me off anymore. I also agree with swamprat's Quote wagnike2.

[Wolfe_13]

To Darth Drew : My apolgies I just didn't totally understand you. Swamprat has brought me to my senses.

Sincerely,
Wolf

[GaViN28x]

I remember hearing a reason why yoda went into hiding but i don't remember where i heard it. Anyway it goes kind like this, when a jedi master gets so much power and is so deep in the force he has to make one of two choices, eather lash out and control his suroding i.e. Plapy or he goes dormit and just lets things work out for themselves i.e. yoda. Now i don't know if this is right at all, and maybe i just dreamed it up or something but i always thought it gave a good reason why yoda and obi-wan kinda turned hermit like.

[DblDwn]

Yoda has to hide in order to maintain his survival. In AOTC Mace tells Yoda that they should report to the Senate that their ability to use the Force has diminished. Pretty self-expanatory there I think. Once the Emporer takes over and Anakin has fully turned to the Dark Side all of the Jedi are killed. If Yoda had not gone into hiding, his fate would most certainly not been any different than that of Mace, Ki-Adi, and the others. For Luke to be the, "only hope", Yoda would want to ensure that he could train him. I doubt he'd let Obi-Wan try again with Luke, assuming the failures with Anakin (granted it wasn't really Obi-Wan's fault).

[Rinc]

Originally posted by Swamprat_Jedi_Knight@June 13 2002 - 19:43
1. After most of the Jedi were killed he realized that he single-handedly couldn't defeat the Empire or the Sith running it. So he went to a remote planet where one day he could possibly come back and start the Jedi order up again.
I also agree with this. I also think that Yoda went into hiding because he knew he couldn't restore the republic, it was the new hopes of Anakin's children that could. One would return Vader to the light side and the other would be a great leader of the rebellion. Yoda couldn't do these things.

Or maybe he just took a leaf out of the sith book. Two jedi go hide for ages and then hit the Empire when they aren't expecting it.

[SonGokou]

I have a controversial theory: Yoda went to Dagobah because he was a cat. :)

Erm, I am a sith.

[SonGokou]

Uh, that was censored and makes no sense. So replace "cat" with a word that sounds like pusseeeee.

[SonGokou]

On a serious note, the answer has already been given. Yoda went to Dagobah because the life forms hid his own. He knew, once the Skywalker children were born that if Kenobi could not fullfil his duties then he would have to. And, well, he did.

[bodhisattva yoda]

has anyone considered that yoda actually could defeat vader, but chose not to? by defeating vader alone, the force wouldn't become balanced. perhaps yoda still considered vader as 'the choosen one' so by killing vader, all hope would be lost. perhaps it was luke's duty to face vader because luke was the only one that could redeem him. note that yoda tells him he must face vader, not kill him.
i do believe yoda could have defeated vader. luke nearly defeated vader at bespin, and he was no where near as powerful as yoda at the time.

[Rinc]

Maybe Yoda could've defeated vader but he wouldn't have been able to defeat the millions of clones/stormtroopers so there'd be no point. I just believe that he thought he'd done his job of hiding Luke and could forsee that he'd train Luke as well, but also because he had to wait for the rebellion to be a functional force.

[Trilogist]

I agree ... he had to have an army behind him as well to face the Empire. But I also believe that in the long run, it all came down to defeating the Sith. And Yoda, powerful as he was, knew the prophecy. He would not be the one to defeat Sidious, so he didn't try. Instead, in a flash of insight, he realized that Vader's offspring could still fulfill the prophecy.

I believe Yoda became fixed on this premise, that Luke would grow up, become a Jedi, and destroy Vader and his Emperor. Any doubts would be erased when he sees how quickly Luke advanced through his training. The Will of the Force was at work.

Anyway, that's why he ran away and hid in Dagobah. What he didn't realize was how exactly the prophecy would be fulfilled. He had no idea that Luke would be able to turn his father from the dark side (no small feat) and Anakin would destroy the Emperor.

[Polunis]

We must keep in mind that this discussion relies heavily on speculation; we never actually see Yoda fight Vader or Sidious...at least thus far. As I said before, he would prudently keep out of the spotlight. As Trilogist observed, Luke did not kill Vader or Sidious, but he set up events, in a way, in which those events could transpire. I think Yoda was fully cognizant of the prophecy and knew that Vader would ultimately fulfill it; he probably also realized that Luke would provide a little "motivation" for the bond of blood would work in the Jedi's favor.

Yoda's main concern was the preservation of the Jedi Order in Luke now that Kenobi perished ere he could sufficiently instruct the lad. In this set of circumstances, it is no wonder Yoda is not parading out in the open.

[Trilogist]

You know, it's so funny, I just thought of something. Luke DID kill Vader, much like Vader betrayed and murdered Anakin. When Luke reached the good in him, the evil man that was Darth Vader was destroyed. So Luke really did kill Vader, from a certain point of view.

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[Polunis]

An astute observation you have made, Trilogist. Actually, I think they both had much to do with his "death". Anakin was never fully converted despite his considerable effort to do so. Luke helped to bring Anakin back into conflict with Vader; the choice belongs to Anakin, but Luke played an invaluable role in the process.