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Tovor
10-20-2004, 11:41 AM
My mom died last night, after a tremendous fight to survive and win the battle, and for a long time she did appear to be winning. She endured 2 years of dealing with intense pain from the effects of the chemo and the illness, and the sickness and weakness that came every week after the chemo sessions, and still she endured and stayed strong. Far stronger than I could have been, I think. I'm making this thread as a tribute to her, because I want other people who don't know her to know about her and the things she did in her life. The following is cut and pasted from a similar thread on another board, and which I used to have in my profile. It needs to be editted a bit for obvious reasons, that most of it is now paste tense rather than ongoing, and I will do that later. But for now, this is a tribute to her, and I will add much more in the days to come.

Written previously:

I am going to tell a story, a story about the current situation in my home and my life. My mom lives with me, and I am helping her get through a crisis too many women (and men, and children too) suffer with. This story is not meant to draw any "awwww" from anybody, just to show where I am in my life and why I come to this board as an escape from life sometimes, to show why sometimes I don't respond to when people write to me or respond to my posts, because my mind is so overwhelmed. It is also to urge women (and men) to check themselves often and nip it in the bud as soon as possible, because the sooner you catch something, the better off you are in the recovery of it.

The story begins in January of 2003.

A STORY ABOUT STRENGTH & COURAGE:
My mother has breast cancer which spread to her skull and spine, and the pain in her back was astonishingly agonizing for months until the chemo shrunk the cancer and the pain went away. Then from the chemo she got massive swelling in her feet and lower legs which caused agony for the last couple of months that kept coming back after treatments. She couldn't even walk from the pain being so bad. She spent a month on nightly IV antibiotic treatments and only now has the swelling and pain been lessened after starting a stronger oral antibiotic. But through it all she has remained strong and positive and is determined to beat the cancer fully. And she is beating it, with help from the chemo and a very positive attitude, because the cancer in her breast has already shrunk from 4 centimeters to less than 1. In her life she has survived an abusive father, a lifetime of rheumetoid arthritis, the death of her husband, the near death of her son from a massive head trauma which required years of rehabilitation, and now the cancer which she is beating back. And that is why to me she is the strongest woman in the world.

At the beginning. she started taking hormone treatments for her cancer rather than chemo, but it is causing a side affect of her reumetoid arthritis to flare up in her back and arms and she is in agony. I had to help her in and out of the car and in and out of her chair at dinner every day. She's had pain from arthritis her whole life and I grew up seeing her be in pain from time to time, but now it is far worse than ever before. It sucks to see your mom in such pain when there is nothing you can do to help her. I hit a freaking bump pulling out slowly from the gas station and she cried out in pain, and cried for the next five minutes because the pain that came from the bump would not go away. Crap.
Everytime it looks like it is going to be alright with her condition over the last 3 months, a new bad turn knocks her upside the head. Now she chose to go to the chemo after all. But there are different forms of chemo, and the one her doc wants to put her on won't make her hair fall out or cause her the violent sickness chemo is known for. But still, when will the other shoe drop, the other blow come, the new crap hit the fan?

UPDATE:
On August 22, 2003, scans done on her body showed that the cancer was gone, or simply too small to be detected. She will take chemo for another 1-2 months to be safe, but it's potentially possible to say that the battle is won. *whew*

UPDATE:
On September 12, they found the tumor that they couldn't see before. It's still there. It is much smaller than it ever was before, so although it is not gone like we thought, it is going, going, going, going, not gone yet, but going, going...
Just a step back, but we're still moving forward...

UPDATE:
December 26...She's been off chemo for seemingly 2 months and on hormone treatments, and her leg and feet swelling has not dimished much since she left the hospital. She's still in agony when she walks, and gets shooting pains through her legs from time to time. And it doesn't seem to be getting better. Only worse. In the words of a kosher C-3PO, "Oy vey, will this never end?"

UPDATE:
January...After spending 4 days in the hospital with roughly 80 pounds of extra fluid in her body, and her lung partically collapsed from the fluid and her liver and heart being affected also, she was treated and lost more than 50 pounds of fluid in the 4 days there.

UPDATE:
February...She found a new lump in her breast. And so it hath returneth. She'll have to get a biopsy to determine if the cancer is back.

UPDATE 02/21/04:
After months off of chemo and on hormone treatments to ensure the cancer does not return, she gets a petscan and finds out that it's all over her body now. Her neck, her spine again, her stomach, her breast, God knows where else. She threw away the worthless hormone pills and went back on chemo yesterday. Back to the beginning, starting over again on a too familiar road. On the good side, almost all of the swelling has gone down and she doesn't have any pain in her legs and feet anymore. But she is always tired.

UPDATE: 06/04:
Her immunity level is at zero due to her chemotherapy screwing up her white blood cells and she was at great risk of serious illness from her body's innability to fight infection. So for the past week until it was in order again, she had to take daily 480mcg/0.8mL injections of Neupogen filgrastim to boost up her immunity defenses. So guess who had to drive a syringe into her leg every day while she cringed in pain? Yeah, me. And guess who had never, ever, operated a syringe before and wasn't even sure of the proper and least painful way of doing it? Yeah, me. I didn't know if I was supposed to push the needle in slow and press the plunger slow, or jab it in like they appear to do in the movies, as if quicker=less pain? The first time I told her that it was going to hurt me a lot more than it was going to hurt her, but she didn't believe me. She was right, it hurt her like hell, but God how I dreaded it every day. It wasn't the needle going into her skin that hurt her, it was the fluid and how it caused the tissue it pentrated to react, that was the source of the agony. Thank God that's over with. Her immunity is back to near normal.

UPDATE 07/13/04:
The chemo is destroying her bone marrow and caused her immunity to drop to zero again. Her cancer has grown by 20% and it is out of control without the chemo. Yet the chemo is destroying her body and has put her body in serious peril of infections. So she can die from the chemo almost as surely as she'll die without it. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Life is wonderful.

UPDATE 08/03/04:
She is weak and overly fatigued, and can barely walk and keep her eyes open. She went for chemo and they wouldn't give her her treatment because her blood level is too low. The chemo is stopping the production of blood in her body and as a result there is not enough oxygen getting to her brain and the rest of her body. She's going to need a blood transfusion to replace the missing blood.

UPDATE 08/04/04:
I took her to the hospital for an outpatient procedure, the aquisition of 2 liters of new blood, a 2 litre spike like I often do with the chemistry at work. So they plugged her in to a battery charger via jumper cables and they gave her a 4 hour recharge to her power supply. No seriously, they gave her new blood and it took 4 hours. One hour for a cross and match to ensure they had her exact blood type at that time, and then 3 hours of slow pumping. After the procedure, she had a lot more energy and was pretty much back to normal. But it's back to another few days of injections.

She has another serious problem that is making everything worse for her. She has a hiatal (sp?) hernia, which is here the inner skin of her abdomen is split open and her intestines are slightly pushing through, causing discomfort and at times extreme pain. She had it repaired a few years ago but it opened again, and out of fear of another surgery she had put off going under the knife again, thinking she could handle it, and she did for the last few years. But now the chemo is enflaming her hernia even more and causing it to cause her even more pain. Her legs do not hurt her anymore, her back does not hurt her anymore, in fact despite the cancer nothing hurts her--except for her stomach. If not for the hernia, she would have no pain at all right now. But the hiatal hernia, which can be life threatening and has caused deaths when not treated, cannot be fixed due to her chemo and the risk of infection from another surgery. Her oncologist told her the other day that at this point, they can not do another surgery and she has to live with the stomach problem. She has to live with something that gives her such agony, and which can cause her death, while she fights the cancer. It is a complication that can make her victory over the cancer an insignificant win, when it makes her life so difficult throughout the remainder of her life.

Well, here we are. I tell you, if she had caught the mass early and had it removed before it spread, she would be in great shape right now. And that is why I urge all women to check themselves often and if you feel anything suspicious, have a doctor look at it immediately. Don't put if off, don't dismiss it in denial. And men too, especially if you are over 30, you should check your gonads for lumps. I did a few months ago, about 4 or 5 months ago, and found a lump where I didn't think a lump should be, indicating that the family jewels may be corrupted. I had it checked out, had a sonogram, and it turned out to be a simple cyst. *whew*. If it had turned out to be cancer, honestly I say to you, after seeing my mother go through everything over the past year and a half, I do not believe that I could do it. Before I was told that my lump was not cancer, I was already contemplating not taking chemo if it was. I concluded that seeing what the chemo did to my mom, that I would not go through it myself, that I would accept my fate and so be it. It is a hard fight, battling cancer, for both the afflicted and the family members who go through it with them.

When I started going to chemo with my mom a year and half ago, I took note of the number of people in the room, about ten chairs on each side of the room, with the people hooked up to their chemo supply, chatting, listening to the radio, knitting sweaters, playing cards, laughing, and it shocked me to see people not suffering with cancer, not dying from cancer, but living with cancer, living despite cancer. No, I shouldn't say "shocked me". It enlightened me, that's more accurate. It opened my eyes to people living despite cancer, that life is still possible and cancer is beatable. However, this has been hard on me, in ways that I don't talk about and deny when my mother brings it up. I am battling chronic depression all through this, depression and anxiety and overwhelming stress, and I have had a hard time dealing with this as a caregiver and supporter. There are times when I can't think straight because I need a place to be alone and try to sort my thoughts but she always needs me and I can't find the peace I need so desperately. The more I feel the need to get away, the worse she gets and the more she needs me, and the more she needs me, the more I need to get away, and the more I need to get away, the more she needs me. Sometimes nothing holds me together at the seams. So many people tell me what a good son I am, how wonderful I am, but I block it out because they don't know how I'm feeling. They don't know what's going through my head. I have family members, an uncle and cousins, who call me and tell me that they want to be there for me, that anything I need, whenever I need a shoulder, that they'll be there for me. But I can't open up; I don't call them, even though they would be there for me in a heartbeat. I have friends who call me and I don't call them back; friends who write to me and I don't write back. I can't open up and I'm trying to escape but there's nowhere to go. My depression has crippled me. I can't write and my unfinished novels gather dust. I have no motivation and I can barely get myself to work most days. I am usually 10-20 minutes late for work every day, but nobody says anything because I usually get stuck staying one to two hours later every day from the amount of work that I have and lack of staffing, and because I have a highly impressive past sales record that earned me notoriety in the company that exceeded many others in my position. But that is the past, and with my depression and lack of motivation, I don't have the energy or interest in repeating the extreme level of work that made me famous. But every day I feel unfulfilled because I get nothing done for myself, for my own life and enjoyment, so I refuse to go to sleep at night till the latest possible times (Rowan knows this, she sees me posting at 4am sometimes) because I can't let the day end having achieved nothing for my own enjoyment. But even with my stories in front of me I can't focus on them properly, I can't sort my racing thoughts enough to work on them, so I turn away and come to the net to reach out somehow and try to clear my mind to motivate it to focus on my writing. Not until I overcome my own personal cancer, the depression that is eating up my willpower and clarity of mind.

But this wasn’t supposed to be about me, it was supposed to be about my mother. I didn’t intend to talk about my weakness; I meant to tell you about why my mother is the strongest woman in the world to me. And that is how I leave my message.

Here is a prequel to the above story. This is another story about strength and courage. I mentioned this vaguely in prior posts and/or threads, that in 1981 I was hit by a drunk driver and was badly injured. My head was split open and I was in a coma for over 2 weeks. I wasn't supposed to live, according to the docs, and if I did and woke from the coma I would have permanant brain damage. My parents were at the hospital every day and one day my father's father died. Then my father had a heart attack in the hospital and he was put into ICU across the hall from me. So every day my mother would visit each of us, and she didn't know if either of us was going to live.

She'd see me, and then go across the hall to my father, and she'd put on a positive face and confident mask so as to not let my dad see how worried she was and worsen his condition. She had to deal with all of that, and friends would ask her how she did it, how she overcame her fear, and she told them she had no choice. There was no alternative. I did wake up from the coma (in case you hadn't realized. LOL) but I stayed there (not in ICU, just a regular room) for two and a half months rehabilitating. I had to learn the basics all over again. Walking, talking, reading, writing, ect. I was partially paralyzed on my left side at first (the right side of my brain was what was damaged), and I went for daily physical therapy and after getting out went back for therapy 3 times a week for a year, then twice a week for a year, then once a week, ect (Ever see "Regarding Henry"? That film struck a solid chord with me.) I wore a plastic brace on my left leg for 6 years to help me walk, and even today I have a permanant limp on my left leg. I also have epilepsy and depression from the brain damage.

My mother had to take me to all of this therapy and push me and inspire me and refuse to let me give up. At the same time (in the months after my accident) she had to deal with my father, a proud man who would not accept how sick he had become from the heart attack and wouldn't accept that he couldn't walk up the stairs more than once a day and not by himself, couldn't shave more than twice a week becuse holding up the razor left him fatigued, and couldn't do things by himself that "a man" should be able to do. So she had me, a crippled boy tripping all the time and taking meds and going to doctors, and occasionally falling down the stairs(I never got hurt, I got used to it.) and having to learn how to do things that healthy people do without even thinking about; and her husband who wouldn't accept that he could never do again the things that people do without thinking. He survived the holocaust and was a Marine during the Korean war, and once beat the crap out of two men at once after they disrespected his girlfriend when they were younger (my mom, God I wish I could have witnessed that! But I was but a mere seed in a pouch at that time.), so he was not a man to admit weakness and helplessness. And that's what killed him, 4 months after my accident and his prior heart attack. And my mom had to go through all of that and stay strong and keep me strong, and figure out how she was going to keep a roof over our heads without my father.

And people asked her in wonder how she made it through all that, and she told them, what choice do I have? She survived it because she had no choice, and funny thing is, recently she admitted that even she didn't know how she made it through all that. But she did. And now the roles are reversed and I'm taking care of her.

UPDATE: September 2nd, 2004:
Recently she began having extreme pain the day before yesterday in the area of her kidney, liver, gallstone, or diaphram. I went with her to the oncologist this morning and he found that the pain is from an enlarged liver. So Monty, for the little breast cancer sufferer, what do we have behind door number 2? More cancer in the liver! That's the wonderful thing about cancer. Unlike cable television, you don't have to pay additional to have it spread to other TV rooms around the house, it works its magic from room to room for free.

On the other hand, she has a cyst in her chest which recently became infected and it appears she has an infection in her chest port. I wonder if the infection could be what spread to her liver, making it enlarged. What is hurting her is the diaphram (didn't I tell you I thought it was the diaphram? I should have been a doctor!) muscle, which the enlarged liver is pushing into. She also now has the same agonizing pain in her shoulder. And guess what connects the shoulder to the diaphram, you guessed it, the diaphram! I think that anyway, that the diaphram goes all the way to the shoulder. So today I got to see her in more pain than she's ever had before since the cancer started, and I had to stand there and watch her cringe and cry and cry out in pain, when there isn't a damn thing I can do.

You know, I stopped being a believer before she came down with the cancer. I should clarify that I didn't stop believing in God per se, but I lacked the faith and love to know whether he really was there or not, and the depression took away any interest in really knowing for sure at one point. Prior to admitting that I wasn't sure if I believed in God or not, I had had heated discussions with a hasedic Jew (I didn't try to convert him, but he argued with me and accused me of being an enemy of Jews because as a Jew I had mentioned that I believed in Jesus, who I called Yeshua and he called a curse) which led to him saying that if I wanted to know the truth about what the bible said about the messiah I should purchase the Tenach (the first 5 books of the Old Covenant) and read the original text for myself. So I bought the Hebrew with English translated book and started reading it. I came to not only doubt my believe in Yeshua as messiah but to doubt God Himself. At this point I would not call either Yeshua or God a fake, since Yeshua did say (if he's legit, that is) that anyone who denies the messiah before men, he would deny that person before the Father.

My point is, regardless of how I stopped praying and reading bible and attending worship and fellowship, I prayed at the start of this whole nightmare to not let it be cancer. I further prayed that if it were cancer, that she would get through this with as little pain and misery as possible. And you know what they say about God answering all prayers? They say that he answers all prayers, except that sometimes the answer is no. Well, that much is profoundly apparent.

UPDATE 07/10/04:
Well, those following this story, there's good news, bad news, and good news. The first good news is that as per her test results on Wednsday, the inflamation in her liver is not cancer. The bad news is that she had to have immediate surgery to have the infected cyst removed, as it was angry purple and inflamed and causing extreme pain, and the infection is probably what had gone to her liver. The second good news is that she had the outpatient surgery this afternoon and had the cyst removed and it's done with. So that's that.

UPDATE 10/01/04:
UPDATE: December 26, 2003...
She's been off chemo for seemingly 2 months and on hormone treatments, and her leg and feet swelling has not dimished much since she left the hospital. She's still in agony when she walks, and gets shooting pains through her legs from time to time. And it doesn't seem to be getting better. Only worse. In the words of a kosher C-3PO, "Oy vey, will this never end?"

All of her swelling had gone down in the next few months after that update and she was able to walk without the intense pain from the swelling. But the fates can't have that. Nature abhors a vacuume, or a respite from her pain apparently. Th swelling is back, she is in intense pain again, she can't walk, she can't move, and she is devestated again. She's going to the doc today to have tests done and I have to leave work early to take her because she won't be able to walk to the car or drive. At least now she has a doctor who is immediately trying to find out what is causing the swelling, and I tried to persuade her of that, that it won't be like it was last time. But she is emotionally destroyed and has laid in bed the last few days barely doing anything. And I'm dead myself. I can't be positive, I can't cheer her, I can't change her. I don't want to be here, I don't want to be part of this anymore. But I have no choice. It's like trying to hide from the wall in your room. No matter which way you turn, it's still there.



**More to be added later, time to make more arrangements.**

T-bone
10-20-2004, 11:42 AM
Tov - so sorry. Everyone here at the boards is behind you with a virtual hug. Take it easy and see you back here when you're ready.

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Master Cephus
10-20-2004, 11:44 AM
Tover, I don't know you that well, but I have to tell you that I am very sorry about what you and your mother went through. I couldn't imagine the pain you and you mother have been through. Anyone telling you that they understand, they don't. But you have my sympathy.

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Javen
10-20-2004, 11:45 AM
I'm here for you Tovor anytime. My thoughts are with you and hugs.

Vibroblade
10-20-2004, 11:46 AM
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JediJaina
10-20-2004, 11:48 AM
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mazzy
10-20-2004, 12:13 PM
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Luvinna
10-20-2004, 12:15 PM
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Blizzard
10-20-2004, 12:28 PM
We love you, Ron. I only knew her though you, but I still feel like I knew her. She was a wonderful mother. Be strong, too.

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cj790
10-20-2004, 12:30 PM
Our thoughts are with you

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Tovor
10-20-2004, 12:36 PM
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goodwije
10-20-2004, 01:04 PM
Tov, I really do not know what to say. I am sorry, i wish, even though i have not ever met you, that i could be there to shake your hand maybe even a hug. She was an amazing woman. How do i know? Because as much as i really do not know you, i do understand who you are. I know she was strong and couragous simply because i know that if you thought of her so, it must be true.

They are all amazing arn't they? I go with my mother in law to the hospital for her chemo and i am just shocked by the women and men, often surrounded by family or friends. How while fighting this horrible disease by being pumped full of this evil stuff they can laugh, and tell stories, and some even schedule the rest of their week.

my thoughts and prayers are with you
~ Jamie

Sam Kenobi
10-20-2004, 02:08 PM
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Horse_Head
10-20-2004, 03:22 PM
My condolences Tov... you can be assured that she is no longer in pain. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/grouphug.gif

brookie
10-20-2004, 04:14 PM
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Momin327
10-20-2004, 05:49 PM
You have my sympathies, Tov.

Tovor
10-21-2004, 12:55 AM
Multiple thanks go around and up the line.

Something struck me yesterday, thinking back to Christopher Reeve and now my mom, that we lost two superheroes this week.

Justin
10-21-2004, 01:07 AM
Tovor, I'm terribly sorry for your loss, I can't imagine what it must be like.

Obi-Stu
10-21-2004, 08:56 AM
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Tovor
10-21-2004, 10:43 AM
Originally posted by Justin@Oct 21 2004, 12:07 AM
Tovor, I'm terribly sorry for your loss, I can't imagine what it must be like.
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Oddly, neither can I...Maybe it hasn't fully sunk in yet, because it still doesn't feel completely real to me. Maybe it is due to the 2 weeks of waiting while she worsened, and the last week especially of her becoming more and more incoherent, each day going further and further away from me, that prepared me for the end. I didn't feel so much surprise as I did relief at the end, for obvious reasons being the end of her suffering and my not being able to deal with my mom losing her capacity to communicate and think clearly. But there is another thing, that being that for 2 weeks I had prayed to God to give me (and my whole family) peace and comfort, specifically peace when she finally went, and acceptance of whatever God chose. So I wonder if the imperfecft peace that I feel is due to that, or that the week of her slipping away had prepared me, or that I still am in denial. I think I'll find out for sure...or surer than I am now at least...today at her funeral at 3pm.

I did say imperfect peace because I am not fully at peace. I am nervous about all the changes that are following on the heels of this, like not being able to afford the rent now, and worrying about my health insurance (she was my agent in that), and a host of other things. So maybe it has sunk in, because I am certainly nervous now, but it hasn't completely sunk in how much I've lost in my life from this point forward. I am also nervous about the funeral, though I probably shouldn't be. I wasn't able to get in touch with a lot of the people she's known and befriended and helped over the years, a large number of them being in New York, and aside from family the chapel will be too bare for the funeral of somebody like her. That does bother me a bit, a lot actually, that there were so many people who loved her but so few of them can be at her funeral to indicate the depth of her contributions to those who knew her. I almost said her contributions to mankind, but that seemed cheesy to go that far. And one of her closest friends, who is heartbroken about her death, can't make it because she's having a necessary hospital procedure that cant' be changed, and she is so broken up over it.

Her eldest brother is in Georgia with his son who was just diagnosed with a brain tumor that is leaving him less than a year to live (he found this out about his son the day before he found out his sister was dying, a double whammy for him.), and he can't make it down in time for the funeral. I told him yesterday, you have so much on your plate already, don't feel bad about not being able to make it, everyone understands. But he was broken up for another reason, it's his baby sister. He said the same thing his younger brother said at her bedside last week, that you're supposed to die in succession from oldest to youngest, and it wasn't fair that his baby sister was dying before him. My other uncle, the one who lives down here and has been at the hospital every day for the last nearly 3 weeks, told me that it was a crime for her to have to die, after all the hardship and loss and pain she was dealt in her life. He was the one who was with me outside the room when she let go and passed on, and we both rushed in and went to either side and took her hands and spoke to her.

He said the most beautiful thing to her as her life slipped away (if she was still able to hear us, which we think she was, even if she was already outside her body). Their mom had died when I was 5 and my mom had been talking the first week of her 2 week decline about seeing her mom again. I had told her about two weeks ago, almost 2 weeks ago, that I didn't want her to die, but in a way I couldn't wait for her to see her mom again. I had already seen her when I was near death in 1981 in a coma, and my mom has been comforted by the idea of being with her mom again, and my father, and her 2 step-sisters, and another one of her brothers who died before she was born, and our old doggie Peanut. Well, when we rushed in to her side just after she died, my uncle went very close to her ear and said, "say hi to mommy for me, I love you both."

Darth Badly
10-21-2004, 12:40 PM
Thinking of you, buddy. I'm so sorry for your loss.

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Horse_Head
10-21-2004, 02:05 PM
Stay strong my chrome-domed crony...

Trilogist
10-21-2004, 09:30 PM
Originally posted by Tovor@Oct 21 2004, 07:43 AM
He said the most beautiful thing to her as her life slipped away (if she was still able to hear us, which we think she was, even if she was already outside her body). Their mom had died when I was 5 and my mom had been talking the first week of her 2 week decline about seeing her mom again. I had told her about two weeks ago, almost 2 weeks ago, that I didn't want her to die, but in a way I couldn't wait for her to see her mom again. I had already seen her when I was near death in 1981 in a coma, and my mom has been comforted by the idea of being with her mom again, and my father, and her 2 step-sisters, and another one of her brothers who died before she was born, and our old doggie Peanut. Well, when we rushed in to her side just after she died, my uncle went very close to her ear and said, "say hi to mommy for me, I love you both."
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Obidobi
10-21-2004, 09:51 PM
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Siri Ruane
10-21-2004, 10:27 PM
^ I concur. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/crying.gif I am so sorry, Tovor. I know I don't know you too well, but I had been following up in the Crap thread for a long time and you two were always mentioned in my prayers. I am so sorry to hear your news, but I can't help but smile at how beautifully you retell the stories. I don't think I would ever be able to relive those events as so. You're an awesome guy, your mom would be proud. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/grouphug.gif

Tovor
10-21-2004, 10:35 PM
Originally posted by Horse_Head@Oct 21 2004, 01:05 PM
Stay strong my chrome-domed crony...
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So poetic! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/happy.gif

Tovor
10-21-2004, 10:36 PM
Originally posted by Siri Ruane@Oct 21 2004, 09:27 PM
^ I concur. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/crying.gif I am so sorry, Tovor. I know I don't know you too well, but I had been following up in the Crap thread for a long time and you two were always mentioned in my prayers. I am so sorry to hear your news, but I can't help but smile at how beautifully you retell the stories. I don't think I would ever be able to relive those events as so. You're an awesome guy, your mom would be proud. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/grouphug.gif
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style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif That was very sweet, Siri.

Tovor
10-21-2004, 11:40 PM
Today was the funeral. It went so well, so moving. This morning I put together a quick collage of photos on a board in a large glass frame, and chose several pics over the years going as far back as my mom and dad together in the 1960's. I overlapped the photos and picked out the ones to show my mom's life in many ways. I had childhood pics of her and her brother and sister, her mother, pics of her and my dad and me as a baby, and many of the things she took part in over the years that showed her being with family and friends, and doing fun things. Some of the fun pics showed her milking a cow, hugging a gorilla statue (at South of the Border) in 1972, dancing at my bar mitzvah, with one of her classes when she was a nursery school teacher, and others. Everybody who came enjoyed the pics. Last night I had wanted to wear something of importance on a leather or thick string around my neck, but I didn't know what. I went through the house, through her drawers, through her jewelry box, through boxes in her closet, looking for something small that I could hang around my enck that had a lot of sentimental value. Then I found the perfect items, and today wore the wedding rings of my mom and dad around my neck. It was perfect, and my family who saw it felt the same way. I plan to wear that for the next few days, or weeks maybe.

The day my mother went to hospice, on October 4th, my mom was very upset. Being moved to hospice is a reality jolt for people who know they are dying, because it adds finality to their crisis, as you don't come back from hospice, you go there to live out the remaining days or weeks of your life. But that day a rabbi came in to see her who had happened to be in the hospital, and he was very soothing and calming to her. He impressed not only my mom, but my aunt, uncle, and cousins immensely then and later when he met her again by coincidence (or was it?) as she was being wheeled to hospice. My mom asked him that day if he would perform the service at her funeral and he was happy to agree to it. Then, above and beyond what any of us ever expected, he visited her every single day until she died. He sat with her and held her hand each time, even when she was incoherent and unaware of him. He was a godsend to her, and to all of us. When she died Tuesday night, he got the call from the staff and he was there an unbelievably less than 10 minutes later (he must have been in or close to the building at the time) and stayed with us for awhile and talked to us and asked us more questions about our family for him to use in the eulogy.

Today, this rabbi was wonderful and warm and was a comfort to everybody there. Before the viewing session started I met with him in an office he uses in the funeral home, and I told him that I would like to step up to the microphone after he concluded his eulogy and say a few things myself. I wasn't exactly sure what I would say but I had a general idea of what I wanted to convey to everyone. I was concerned that I would get choked up during the service and wouldn't be able to do it, and/or that if I went up there that I might not remember to say the things I felt important to say, and I wanted to honor her well in the hearts of everyone there and not soften or leave out what I'd wish I'd said later. He told me, in regards to me feeling composed and inspired and calm enough to go up there, that when he was through, that he would look to me and nod at me, and if I was able to do it, that I would nod back and then he would call me up to the podium. I was in the front row between my aunt and uncle and holding their hands on both sides, and when he was through he didn't nod to me or wait for any signal from me, he simply called me up there. He saw my composure, my expression, and knew without asking that I was ready, that I could do it. So I went up there without a script, without notes, and spoke from the heart. First thing I said was what I have in my sig, that Chris Reeve died and then my mom, and that we lost two superheroes this week, because that is what she is to me, a superheroe. I talked about her strengths and how she always inspired me through my life, and how she was a friend to so many of my friends, and how proud I was of that, and how I didn't think I was half as strong as her, but lately I've realized that I can because of how she's impressed me, and how if I had been able to contact all the people in her life and mine who she touched, that the chapel would have had to be 3 times bigger at least to hold all of them. And then I was done, but not quite yet. I went to step off of the podium and my bad foot stumbled and I caught my balance, and I said as I walked to my seat if it weren't for her and how she pushed me through physical therapy when I had to learn to walk again, and wouldn't let me give up, that I wouldn't have been walking at all. The rabbi met me between the podium and my seat and we embraced and hugged, and then I sat down, though I was still talking about how she'd motivated me as I went to sit down. Later, several family members expressed to me how touching my message was, and a neighbor who had been friends with my mom for years called me after he left the funeral and told me that he was crying when I talked about her on the podium.

All in all, it was a great day. Between how well they made my mom look in her casket and the rabbi and the whole atmosphere there, it was the most pleasant funeral I'd ever been to, a sentiment said to me by my cousin just a while ago, which I agreed with.

Obidobi
10-22-2004, 01:03 AM
I can't say anything else than style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/grouphug.gif

mazzy
10-22-2004, 08:36 AM
Awww, I'm glad that the funeral was positive for you, that's important.

Have you thought about keeping the wedding rings on permanently?

flo fett
10-22-2004, 04:44 PM
Tov, I'm so sorry I haven't been online for the past wee while, (I've been a bit unwell again). I'm so sorry for your loss, but glad that your mum can finally rest with no more suffering. She's protected from the ills and pains of the world now. I know there's not a lot I can say, I wish I could come up with something touching and memorable, but we're all with you sweetie and if you ever need someone to talk to you know I'm here. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/grouphug.gif

She was an amazingly brave woman, and I hope she knew that we were all thinking of her.

Tovor
10-22-2004, 08:52 PM
Originally posted by Obidobi@Oct 22 2004, 12:03 AM
I can't say anything else than style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/grouphug.gif
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That says it all, my friend. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

Tovor
10-22-2004, 08:54 PM
Originally posted by mazzy@Oct 22 2004, 07:36 AM
Awww, I'm glad that the funeral was positive for you, that's important.

Have you thought about keeping the wedding rings on permanently?
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I don't think I'd do it permanently, but I think I will keep them on for a while at least. Maybe I should do it permanently. It's something to consider.

flo fett
10-22-2004, 08:56 PM
style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/grouphug.gif just had to post another round of hugs.

Tovor
10-22-2004, 08:57 PM
Originally posted by flo fett@Oct 22 2004, 03:44 PM
Tov, I'm so sorry I haven't been online for the past wee while, (I've been a bit unwell again). I'm so sorry for your loss, but glad that your mum can finally rest with no more suffering. She's protected from the ills and pains of the world now. I know there's not a lot I can say,
No worries, my friend. Like I said in PM, you were sick and I knew I hadn't seen you online for awhile anyway.
I wish I could come up with something touching and memorable,
But I think that you did:
She was an amazingly brave woman, and I hope she knew that we were all thinking of her.

RollaFett
10-23-2004, 07:06 PM
Damn, Ron. Saying 'I'm sorry for your loss' doesn't seem good enough, becasue I know what your mother meant to you. This is a loss on more levels than I can possibly comprehend, and I only hope that you are able to deal with this as well as your mother would hope.

I dunno, that's a bunch of babble probably. In any case, my deepest and most sincere condolences, my friend.

Tovor
10-23-2004, 09:27 PM
Originally posted by GollaFett@Oct 23 2004, 06:06 PM
Damn, Ron. Saying 'I'm sorry for your loss' doesn't seem good enough...Quoted post

Golla, 2 years ago when she was first diagnosed and I talked about it in the Crap thread, you were the first one to PM me with a message "support from a friend". I never forgot that. Don't think anything you give is not good enough. You gave it 2 years ago and since. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

Tovor
10-23-2004, 09:47 PM
Something very strange happened 32 years ago when my grandmother died. When the family including my mom and her siblings were in the house after the funeral, there was a cane belonging to a deceased close relative of my grandmother, that had hung on the wall for several years that suddenly without warning or clear cause fell off the hook to the floor. My mom never forgot how everyone thought then and since then that gramma's dead relative knocked it off the wall in grief or some other reason. Spooky, huh? Today a package of long florescant light tubes that I had bought to replace the old ones on the ceiling, which I had left leaning standing on end against the kitchen counter, suddenly fell over. They were packaged in plastic so they didn't shatter. But it was very unusual since they had been left securely in the corner between the counter and the wall and didn't seem prone to fall against the direction that they were leaning.

A short time later, maybe an hour, my cousin was asleep on the 2nd couch under the window and I was sitting on the couch against the wall, watching a DVD (Two Towers). Without warning, the long, rectangular framed painting that had hung on the wall for years without interruption, right above the back of the couch, suddenly fell off the wall and stopped on the top of the couch, fortunately not hitting me in the head. But it still scared the bejebus out of me. No lie, I looked up and said, "Ma, is that you?" My cousin had woken up when I shouted "Holy shiddddd!", but went right back to sleep, not even paying heed to what had happened. A few hours after that, I used the toilet in my mom's bedroom and left the seat up when I was done. About 15 minutes ago, I jumped in my desk chair when I heard the seat slam down on the porcelin.

Damn spooky. So ma, what next? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/innocent.gif

Obidobi
10-23-2004, 11:21 PM
Remember!! Never leave the seat up..... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

Tovor
10-24-2004, 01:15 AM
Originally posted by Obidobi@Oct 23 2004, 10:21 PM
Remember!! Never leave the seat up..... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif
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Of course not, but if she was going to come back and give me a message, did it have to be that???? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue2.gif

Darth Badly
10-25-2004, 01:54 PM
Thinking of you, my dear chum. You are very brave and very positive, of which I am sure your mom continues to be very proud.

Tovor
10-26-2004, 12:21 PM
Thanks mate. I'm needing a lot of that bravery and positivity right now. I shouldn't even be posting, I have so much to doa nd I'm hiding from it right now, too much to face. Gotta get myself to do it ASAP.

Darth Star
10-26-2004, 02:49 PM
I stumbled across this thread yesterday, but couldn’t respond.
I lost my mom to a car accident over nine years ago. I am deeply affected when I hear of someone loosing a parent, especially their mother. My heart goes out to you. I haven’t been able to read everything that you’ve written here, but I’ve been touched by what I have read. You and your mom are in my thoughts and prayers.

JediJaina
10-26-2004, 08:44 PM
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I spent a lot of time this weekend with my mom and this thread reminded me how much she means to me as your mom means to you Tovor.

Tovor
10-26-2004, 08:51 PM
Originally posted by Darth Star@Oct 26 2004, 01:49 PM
I stumbled across this thread yesterday, but couldn’t respond.
I lost my mom to a car accident over nine years ago. I am deeply affected when I hear of someone loosing a parent, especially their mother. My heart goes out to you. I haven’t been able to read everything that you’ve written here, but I’ve been touched by what I have read. You and your mom are in my thoughts and prayers.
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We share a category that too many people fall into. Thanks for your thoughts and prayers.

Tovor
10-26-2004, 08:52 PM
Originally posted by JediJaina@Oct 26 2004, 07:44 PM
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I spent a lot of time this weekend with my mom and this thread reminded me how much she means to me as your mom means to you Tovor.
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That's wonderful. Cherish every moment and don't let later be too late. I can see that you already heed that message. Cherish every moment. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

Tovor
10-29-2004, 07:47 PM
Crap. My mom's car just got repossessed, put on a tow truck, and hauled away. Don't get me wrong, I called the finance company a few days ago and told them to come pick her car up. But still, watching it get taken away, even though on my part willingly, was painful. It was like losing one more part of her. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/huh.gif

mazzy
10-30-2004, 09:19 AM
Man, that is so hard.....no need to loose her though, she'll always be with you style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/grouphug.gif

Tovor
10-30-2004, 08:11 PM
Yeah, you're right. But my family wants me to move out of my rented condo and into something smaller and cheaper, because without my mom's half of the rent and expenses it will be very hard for me to stay here. But I just went through one drastic lifestyle change, so moving out into a strange place without the memories and familiarities is too much to think about just yet. It was hard enough watching her car go bye-bye, it will be so much harder leaving this condo behind.



Time for a new deep thought, but I'm not putting it in my usual Deep Thought A Day thread, because it pertains to this thread and I don't want to talk about this all over the board.
NYPDBlue is one of my favorite shows. I'd noticed that whenever they inform someone of their loved one or close friend having been murdered, or just breaking the news to them about their loved one's death, they always ask them, "Would you like a glass of water?" Every episode when they tell someone that their loved one is dead, they then offer them a glass of water. I always thought this extremely odd. I mean, what is the water going to do, comfort them and make them feel better? I always thought that if I found out my loved one was dead, that drinking or eating anything would be the last thing on my mind. Why would someone want a glass of water upon learning of their loved one's death? It just didn't make sense that offering a glass of water was supposed to make the person feel better. The day I found out my mom was going to die within a few days (though she lasted for just over 2 weeks), I had a tall bottle of water with me, with a squirt top on it, though I wasn't really thirsty but I had just taken it from the fridge. Then, in the room with the doctor I sat knowing what he was going to tell me even before he said it. My cousins came in and surrounded me and put their hands on my shoulders and I knew what was coming. I told the doctor "just cut to the chase, I know what you're going to say..." but he kept talking about all the things that couldn't be done or whatever else that came from his mouth, and I told him, "just tell me already, damn it! I know what you're going to say, so just say it!" and I kept taking swigs from the water bottle. My mouth was getting dryer and dryer, no matter how much water I drank, my mouth just went dry again. When he told me that we had to stop dialysis and let her die because there was nothing we could do, and that she would die in 3-4 days, I drank more water. But still my mouth was dry. For the next hour I refilled the bottle several times from a water fountain because my mouth was so damn dry. For the next two weeks, and in the last week and a half since she went, I drank more water than I ever did before (I'm usually a soda drinker). Strangely enough, I think my mom would be pleased, she always did say I drank too much soda and should drink more water. Go figure.

Now I understand why they always offer them a drink of water on NYPDBlue. And that was my deep thought of the day.

Tovor
10-30-2004, 08:29 PM
Just a little while ago I flicked on AOTC just to have it on while I opened the mail and see what came for me. There was the scene in the Lars' garage with Anakin and Padme, and one of his lines stood out as it hadn't so much before. It wasn't the same scenario obviously, but it still stayed with me. Why'd she have to die? Why couldn't I save her? I know I could have. Maybe I should have been more proactive over the last 2 years, been more involved with the doctors instead of hearing things from her later about what was said or decided. Too many times I'd said, "Why hasn't your doc done this or that, what are they going to do next, make sure you ask him/tell him about yada yada yada..." and maybe I should have done the asking and telling myself. Maybe it wouldn't have made a difference. Maybe it would have. For so many weeks she couldn't have chemo, it was one week on, one week off, one week on, two weeks off, two weeks on, one week off, because of the varying problems she was having with her white blood cells and her platelets and her immunity that she had to miss so many chemo sessions. And I asked her, are they doing petscans to make sure your cancer isn't spreading while you miss sessions? And she said that the insurance wouldn't allow them to do random petscans every week or so because they're so expensive. Yeah, and all of a sudden, seemingly from nowhere because it hadn't been so close before, she had a massive tumor blocking her kidneys, inoperable and untreatable, and that sealed her doom. And I can't avoid thinking, what if they had seen it under her kidneys weeks ago and could have done something then? What if I had pushed for them to do something more?

I was talking with a neighbor yesterday. She told me that a month ago my mom had told her that she had 6 months to live. She hadn't told me that. Where have I been? Have I been asleep?

James
10-30-2004, 09:22 PM
Tovor I'm thinking of you in this difficult time, please take care style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/grouphug.gif Your mom sounds like a wonderful person, her memory will keep you strong and courageous

I am so sorry for not posting my condolences earlier, I haven't been round much lately, as I've been having some rather trying emotional experiences of my own.

RollaFett
10-31-2004, 08:48 AM
Ron, it sounds as though you may be starting to blame yourself somewhat. Please don't do that. From everything you've ever told me, you did more than I could possibly imagine anyone doing in that sort of situation. While I'm no believer in the phrase, 'it was meant to be', I will say that it seems as though you couldn't have done more to prevent what happened. You're just a man, and you did everything in your power. Unfortunately, you don't, nor do most of us, have any type of power to control life and death. That's where doctor's come in, and even they cannot be perfect.
Ok, I'm babbling again. Overall, please don't blame yourself.

Tovor
10-31-2004, 06:34 PM
Thanks James. No worries about saying anything sooner. Online timelines aren't the same as real life time lines. Hey get this, I've been back to work from my berevement 3 days now, and my prick boss hasn't said one word to me yet. He said enough to make me hate him the day before she died, though. That MF-SOB.

Tovor
10-31-2004, 07:27 PM
Golla, I appreciate your concern. However, my feelings are only now starting to knaw at me. My grief process unfolds differently than other people's in some ways. It took my father's death 4 months before it hit me hard, when I was 15. This time it was different because I'm an adult and understood it all more and had more time to prepare. But still, there are things going on within me that I hadn't expected. I was never sentimental about personal objects. Things like jewelry hadn't ever meant much to me. But the night before her funeral I decided that I wanted to wear something of emotional importance around my neck on a simple black rope, and I found my mom and dad's wedding rings. So I wore them to the funeral, and except for the shower, I haven't taken them off since. Occasionally I touch them or find myself with my hand under my neck with my fingers wrapped over the rings. I find that unexpected and surprising because as I said I never cared about things like that before.

In 1999 my mom, who never cared a hoot for Star Wars, announced that she was curious to watch TPM with me because of how excited I was over seeing it (I had seen it a dozen times easy by the time she announced that). Somehow, the occasion never presented itself and she never saw it. One night a few months ago I tried to watch it with her, but she was in so much pain and exhaustion that she couldn't relax to sit through it. I really wanted her to see the part with Anakin and his mother because that is the kind of lovey-gooey emotional stuff she likes. But alas she never got to see it and I wish that I had been able to watch it with her. I wanted her to see LOTR too. She usually never cared for sci-fi or fantasy but I think she would have enjoyed the relationships of Frodo and Sam and Frodo and Gandalf. A movie that she had wanted to see, which she had said that she wanted to see with me, was The Cat In The Hat, the Mike Meyers one. So I bought her the video a month ago but I didn't feel like watching it so she watched it alone. But 2 nights ago at 1am I put the video in and started watching it even though I had to work at 8am, but it felt wrong watching it without her so I turned it off. I don't really want to see that movie now. Last night I watched Signs again, which I bought on video last year but only watched once and never saw it again, till last night. 2 things happened last night. One was, I regret not getting her to watch Signs with me, because all of the emotions and God's-plan concepts would have touched her, and then me all over again. And then the second thing happened, that being my contemplating the movie's message of things happening for a reason, of signs being seen that weren't coincidence. Graham's wife told him before she died, that he should "see", which was shown to mean that he was meant to see the signs of things happening for a reason (all of the signs and clues that fell into place at the end of the movie). So it goes without saying, that I thought it good myself to look for the current signs or signs of things to come. Unless it's all a coincedence and there are no signs but signs of chance. Which I am tending to wonder about.

RollaFett
10-31-2004, 09:39 PM
I don't know what to say about all of that, as I do not adhere to the philosophy that 'all things happen for a reason', so I can only say that go with whatever feels right to you in that respect.
As far as your varying levels of grief, well, that too, I have very little to say about. I've never lost somone that close to me to even begin to imagine what's going on through your mind right now.
This may sound strange coming from me, but God bless, my friend.

Max Starkiller
10-31-2004, 10:12 PM
This may be too late, but I'm sorry for you Tovor. It's always a shame to see one we love so dearly leave us.

James
11-01-2004, 02:28 AM
I don't know if I should be talking about what's happening to me in this thread, or whether I should start another, but I want to talk about whats going on to me at the moment.

My grandma has had mild Alzheimers for the past year or so but in the last month she has really started deteriorating. She went to live with my aunt because she became too frail to do anything, in spite of her protests that she could look after herself. My aunt has one daughter who seems to be running awol, climbing out of her bedroom window at night and running off with boys when she's only 14. My aunt is a teacher and so she has a busy job as well as trying to look after grandma and control my dirty little girl of a cousin. The doctor recommended that grandma be put into an old people's home. My grandma doesn't want this, she has a very strong constitution and does not want to be put into an old folks home where she can't do anything without a nurse telling her off.

That's all for now. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/crying.gif

Sorry Tov I'm encroaching on a thread that's supposed to remember your mom not listen to me.

Tovor
11-04-2004, 03:17 AM
Sorry about your gramma, James. That's tough for her.

Tovor
11-04-2004, 04:03 AM
I was lying in bed after 2am, too tired to keep posting, but I was thinking about my current situation and there are a couple of things haunting my thoughts constantly. I figured I'd post them because it's good to get these things out and it's too late to call anyone and tell them. But now I can't focus on them to put them into written words. So maybe I'll go back to bed. I am tired enough to fall right asleep if I could just stop thinking so much. I'd done as much as I could the last year to avoid thinking about this, and now this is all I can think about. And I want to think about this, I need to think about this, or else I look around every once in a while and ask myself why isn't she here anymore? I don't think I've accepted this completely. 4 weeks ago I dreaded going through what became the next two weeks and wanted to get past that point so I could begin the healing process. But now looking back on the blur that the last month has been, I feel like I wish I could go through those 2 weeks again. As painful as they were, I didn't focus enough on what was happening and now those 2 weeks seem like a vague, distant dream without enough clarity to clear the daze that I've been in. I knew this was going to happen. It is why in the hospital I spent so much time staring at her, gazing on her, awake and asleep, to try to fully absorb what was happening to her. At her funeral, with the open casket, I stood there staring at her for a long time, went to greet family and friends, and went back and stood over her staring at her face even more. I was trying to absorb, realize, and accept, what had happened, because I knew that afterwards I would have trouble looking back and not having full sight of what had happened. I kept gazing at her face, taking it in that she was dead, that what I was looking at was real. She looked so warm and healthy, they did a good job on her prior to the funeral. But then I made the mistake of touching her face and it took me by morbid surprise. Her skin was hard, her cheeks felt like a doll. I hadn't considered how the embalming makes the skin and muscles feel to the touch. Ugh. I had never touched a dead person before. It was not pleasant, nor is the memory. That is the memory that I am relieved is so vague and distant in my mind. But every once in a while I suddenly say to myself, or out loud if I am alone, this wasn't supposed to happen, she was too young to lose her life, she was supposed to beat this, she was supposed to win, she was winning. Last year she was winning, she was beating all the odds that come with cancer and her tumors were shrinking fast. She was winning. She wasn't supposed to lose, she wasn't supposed to die.

There, I managed to put "this" on paper. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif

Tusday night at around 7:40 or 7:50 was the exact 2 week anniversary. It is mindboggling that 2 weeks have gone by, and I'm still in disbelief.

I lost my father when I was 15, I lost my mother when I was 37. I'm an orphan now. I'm very nervous that they're going to put me in an orphanage now. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue2.gif

The day after (Oct. 4) she found out that she was going to die so soon, she had dream of her mother calling her, and in her dream she started to go to her mother. But then she heard the voice of her brother, who is still alive, calling her, and she stopped and followed his voice instead. When she woke up and talked about it, she said that she thought it meant she was going to die soon and see her mother, but not right away, not right then. Sure enough, instead of the 3-4 days she was supposed to die in, it was over 2 weeks. That was why she heard her brother's voice calling her back, so she could spend more time with her family.

James
11-04-2004, 11:39 PM
*Update to my story*

Well grandma's moved to the hospice. I went to visit her this morning, she was half-asleep and I burst into tears once I got into the car. I hadn't expected her have deteriorated so much.

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Tovor
11-05-2004, 12:13 AM
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James
11-05-2004, 02:28 AM
Thanks Tovor for your strong support

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Tovor
11-11-2004, 10:37 PM
Well, today was the day we got my mom's ashes back in an urn and had it put into its niche where it was sealed behind a permanant plate. We did that this morning at 9:30am. We didn't have any kind of service, no rabbi or anything, and it was diffisult for anyone to make it down there anyway. So it was me, my uncle, and my elder cousin-in-law. I took the urn and placed it in the niche myself, and stayed until it was sealed. And then we left. I still can't believe that she's gone.




My aunt could not go because her daughter was having a biopsy today for some masses and pain that she had encountered. This evening when I was at my cousin's home for her daugher's birthday, my uncle got a call from my aunt and he and his wife rushed out to be with my aunt. I tell you, if I was superstitious I would think that my family was cursed. In order of age from youngest to oldest, the siblings were my mom, aunt Dot, uncle Fred, aunt Marilyn, and uncle Stan. Aunt Marilyn died 3 years ago of cancer. Uncle Stan found out the 3rd week of September that his son had brain cancer. He found out on October 1 that his son had less than a year to live. He found out the next day that his baby sister had only a few days to live. Double whammy. Then aunt Dot and uncle Fred (the dad of the two cousins who adopted me as their bother when my mom was in the hospital) spent the 2 weeks coming to the hospital every day as their younger sister slowly died and then the week after for the funeral and dealing with the grief. Today aunt Dot's 43 year daugher found out she has cancer spots all over her lungs and breasts. That same daughter lost her father (aunt Dot's ex) about 10 years ago to lung cancer.

I had said not too long before my mom died, what with being so physically tired and emotionally drained spending those 2 years and final 2 weeks watching my mother die, that I hoped no one else in my family would get seriously ill because I could not go through that again. I am not close with that cousin, I've barely spoken to her in a decade until the day after my mom died, not like the cousins who adopted me, but irregardless, this is such a blow to this family. Stan finds out his son is dying of cancer and his sister would be dead in days; Dot loses her sister, and then finds out her daughter has cancer. And she has two young children, her daughter does. And my poor uncle, not a spring chicken himself, spent all that time at the hospital supporting my mom and dealing with the hurt of losing her, now is seeing his niece go through it and having to support his other sister. He was emotionally drained when my mom finally died. I can't imagine how he'll have the strength to go through this again in support of his other sister.

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RollaFett
11-11-2004, 11:10 PM
Thinking of you and your family, Ron, as always.

Tovor
11-11-2004, 11:41 PM
Originally posted by GollaFett@Nov 11 2004, 10:10 PM
Thinking of you and your family, Ron, as always.
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Thanks Golla. I'm honored. Though I'll wager Mrs. Golla gets mad when you're romancing her and she says "Are you thinking about Tovor's family again like always?"

RollaFett
11-12-2004, 12:04 AM
LOL! Literally, you made me laugh very loud.

Tovor
11-12-2004, 12:39 AM
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James
11-12-2004, 04:07 AM
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flo fett
11-12-2004, 09:22 AM
Hey Tov sweetie, sorry I haven't been around much or managed to speak to recently but you know that I'm thinking of you and your family right? Hang on in there mate. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/grouphug.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/happy.gif

Darth Badly
11-12-2004, 09:38 AM
Thinking of you also good buddy, (although not during sex).

Tovor
11-15-2004, 08:21 PM
Originally posted by flo fett@Nov 12 2004, 08:22 AM
Hey Tov sweetie, sorry I haven't been around much or managed to speak to recently but you know that I'm thinking of you and your family right? Hang on in there mate. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/grouphug.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/happy.gif
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I know Floffy. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

Originally posted by Darth Badly@Nov 12 2004, 08:38 AM
Thinking of you also good buddy, (although not during sex).
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Your girlfriend has told me otherwise. It must be upsetting for you when she yells "Tovey!" I'm sorry, matey. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blush.gif

flo fett
11-15-2004, 08:23 PM
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Tovor
11-15-2004, 08:47 PM
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I had this thought today, one of my recent recurring thoughts. This could be Master Card's next commercial:

Bill to insurance company for 2 years of cancer treatments, ER treatments, surgeries, and hospital stays:
Well over one hundred thousand dollars.

Bill to my mom every month for her chemo sessions and oncologist visit co-pays:
Two hundred dollars and more.

Bill from hospital to insurance company for final ER, intensive care, and 2 weeks in hospice:
Several thousand dollars.

Bill to me for funeral:
Almost six thousand dollars.

Little seven dollar stuffed puppy dog that mom used to have spread-pawed atop her chest staring into her face as she sat back watching television that now sits permanantly on her side of the couch watching TV with me:
Priceless.


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flo fett
11-15-2004, 08:49 PM
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Justin
11-16-2004, 05:28 AM
So how are you getting on, Tovor?

Tovor
11-21-2004, 08:50 PM
Not well Justin. For a lot of reasons. The following isn't the full reason, it's only the icing on the cake. Before this, I'm having troubles in life and how I'm facing it and living it. But I'll get to that later on in this thread, which I've made my personal vent.

My cousin who was diagnosed with cancer last week, her update is as follows: One doctor gives her a year to live. Another doctor gives her 6 months to live. My mother at 60 was way too young to die, and she left behind a 37 year old son who loves and still needed her. This other cousin is 43 and will leave behind a 12 or 13 year old daughter and a younger son.
What's the score, God?
Aunt Marilyn: Bone cancer, died 3 years ago.
Cousin Charley: Brain cancer, less than a year to live.
Mom Sandi: Breast cancer, dead.
Cousin Paula: Breast/lung(?) cancer, 6 months to a year to live.
Cousin Karen, Special K: Skin cancer, removed last year, apparently fine and healthy now, but smokes like an ember.

So far it's 4 for 5.

Three days in a row of chemo for Paula, the next 3 days. Thursday's going to be fun.

flo fett
11-21-2004, 08:54 PM
Jeez! That is some run of bad luck! I'm sending all my love to everyone in your family who needs it sweetie. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/butbut.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/grouphug.gif

Obidobi
11-21-2004, 09:13 PM
cocky-doody Tovey... That's a bad list.. Is there a nuclear leakage close where you gus live or what?

My thoughts are with you and your family my friend... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/grouphug.gif

James
11-21-2004, 09:35 PM
My deepest condolences for you Tov. I'm thinking of you... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/grouphug.gif

Tovor
03-20-2005, 07:20 PM
Originally posted by Tovor@Nov 21 2004, 07:50 PM
Not well Justin. For a lot of reasons. The following isn't the full reason, it's only the icing on the cake. Before this, I'm having troubles in life and how I'm facing it and living it. But I'll get to that later on in this thread, which I've made my personal vent.

My cousin who was diagnosed with cancer last week, her update is as follows: One doctor gives her a year to live. Another doctor gives her 6 months to live. My mother at 60 was way too young to die, and she left behind a 37 year old son who loves and still needed her. This other cousin is 43 and will leave behind a 12 or 13 year old daughter and a younger son.
What's the score, God?
Aunt Marilyn: Bone cancer, died 3 years ago.
Cousin Charley: Brain cancer, less than a year to live.
Mom Sandi: Breast cancer, dead.
Cousin Paula: Breast/lung(?) cancer, 6 months to a year to live.
Cousin Karen, Special K: Skin cancer, removed last year, apparently fine and healthy now, but smokes like an ember.

So far it's 4 for 5.

Three days in a row of chemo for Paula, the next 3 days. Thursday's going to be fun.
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I had to come back to this thread today, on my birthday, as I contemplate life and loss. It was my birthday today and I went to the cemetary this morning to say wassup to my mom, and tell her I am glad that I was born and gladder that she was my mother. But as far as the above list, here is an update. Paula is in remission and seems to be doing okay. If things remain as they are, she'll get to live a nice long life. Karen had a tumor in her female parts and had a hysterectomy(sp?) on Friday to remove it. She's in serious, serious pain even though she's on pain pills. She has sadly discovered that she is immune to morphine and when she came out of surgery on morphine, she woke up in horrible agony. It was several hours of agony before they figured out that the increases in the morphone level weren't working and put her on something else. I feel terrible for her. And being in the hospital again and seeing a loved one in terrible pain and being helpless to do anything, brought back really bad memories of all the times my mom had been in pain after surgeries. God, I hate being in hospitals.

Anyway, regarding the quoted score card, maybe now it's going to be 3 for 5. 2 for 5 would be better, and of course 0 for 5 would have been the sweetest score of all. But what can ya do. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/giveup.gif

Blizzard
03-21-2005, 02:57 PM
Tovey,

Jerry's mom died this weekend. She had breast cancer in 94-95 and had lung cancer since 2003. In the last month she had four surgeries trying to take scar tissue off her lung from months of radiation. They didn't even tell us, when I found out I sent Cam down to the hospital to see her and she drifted into a coma while she was asleep, Cam didn't get to tell her good-bye. He is at her wake today, I hope he is okay.

Tovor
03-21-2005, 03:45 PM
Jerry is his father's name? I didn't remember. That is sad. I hope he's alright too.

leiaorgana
03-22-2005, 02:42 PM
Originally posted by Tovor@Mar 20 2005, 06:20 PM
I had to come back to this thread today, on my birthday, as I contemplate life and loss. It was my birthday today and I went to the cemetary this morning to say wassup to my mom, and tell her I am glad that I was born and gladder that she was my mother. But as far as the above list, here is an update. Paula is in remission and seems to be doing okay. If things remain as they are, she'll get to live a nice long life. Karen had a tumor in her female parts and had a hysterectomy(sp?) on Friday to remove it. She's in serious, serious pain even though she's on pain pills. She has sadly discovered that she is immune to morphine and when she came out of surgery on morphine, she woke up in horrible agony. It was several hours of agony before they figured out that the increases in the morphone level weren't working and put her on something else. I feel terrible for her. And being in the hospital again and seeing a loved one in terrible pain and being helpless to do anything, brought back really bad memories of all the times my mom had been in pain after surgeries. God, I hate being in hospitals.

Anyway, regarding the quoted score card, maybe now it's going to be 3 for 5. 2 for 5 would be better, and of course 0 for 5 would have been the sweetest score of all. But what can ya do. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/giveup.gif
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Tovey! Sorry I wasn't here... my computer is still broken... I know it must have been really hard for you this Birthday, but still is a wonderful day to celebrate since that's the day your mom delivered you into this world, all my love and thoughts are still with you, as your mom is in my prayers.
I hope you know you mean a great cyber-friend for me and I care about you. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/grouphug.gif
Please do take care.

Tovor
03-23-2005, 12:34 AM
Thanks hun. :hugs:

Tovor
05-15-2005, 02:50 AM
I felt like reviving this. Time to show everyone the people I lost, my parents. Harry and Sandi, dad and mom. I was 13 in that pic, these are pics taken just prior to my Bar Mitzvah. My dad and I were wearing matching suits of my mom's favorite color. Which also happens to be the color of my current car the Intrepid, which I purchases on Mother's Day 2004 with her at my side. I wanted to take her to a lobster dinner for her special day and put off buying the car I'd been salivating over, but she insisted on going to the dealership to see it, and then we wound ups taying and I haggled with the salesman again and finally bought the car. We missed the lobster dinner cause it was too late at that point so I made it up to her a few nights later. But my car has a more special meaning to me now that she is gone, because of my buying it on Mother's Day. I remember when she was in hospice waiting to die and I lived in her room for two weeks so she wouldn't die alone (not that she was alone, she had family and friends visiting and staying with her all day every day.). But I walked out to drive somewhere and walking toward my car which I'd purchased five months prior, and having not really paid much attention to it for a long time because of being so depressed taking care of her and seeing her suffer, I was suddenly struck by how breathtakingly beautiful my car was. And with my mom inside in hospice, I stood there in the parking lot staring at my car and marveling at how sweet it looked. It was then that I realized how much the car meant to me because of how much my mom had wanted me to buy it and enjoy it. And now I actually think of her every time I get into that car.

James
05-15-2005, 06:41 AM
Your mum sounds like this amazing, wonderful person Tovor. You were so lucky to have a mum like that.

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Tovor
05-15-2005, 01:01 PM
Thank you James. I do appreciate that. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

James
05-18-2005, 06:30 AM
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PrincessJoJo
05-18-2005, 10:45 AM
My dad is not well at the moment, i hope he'll be alright. He tell me that he'll never miss my wedding!

James
05-19-2005, 05:12 AM
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