Dark Nest Trilogy

[Soontir Solo]

http://www.starwars.com/eu/news/2004/10/news20041019.html

New information on the Dark Nest Trilogy, check it out.

[Kapit]

2005!?

i don't wanna wait that long...

sounds good though, hopefully it's not too close to the end of the NJO, i don't think it would work if it was

[Soontir Solo]

It is 5 years after. At least we know it involves new stuff, with it being in the Unknown Regions and Jacen and Jaina being involved with a group of Jedi.

[Kapit]

awesome, sounds good

i hope this gets to showcase some yuuzhan vong working for the GFFA, that would be pretty nifty

[Soontir Solo]

I doubt it will have Vong working for the GFFA. I think it will focus pretty much entirely on the Jedi, Han and Leia, the Chiss, and whatever enemy there is going to be that is out in the Unknown Regions.

[Kapit]

darn, i think it would be a great turn around if they had the vong

oh well, back to the basics, i guess style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

[Master Shrive]

Certainly sounds interesting. I'm glad its not too close to the end of NJO. The GFFA should still be recovering.

[Obi-Wan]

Sounds kewl. Jacen and Jaina missing! Already liking it. Hopefully a few new Jedi will be thrown into the mix. And not the same old people.

[DarthSolo]

this sounds quite interesting. Chiss=good! i hope the YV at least are mentioned, like whats going on, at least, and maybe have a small role or something. but this is good. I heard it was originally March 05, but now AUGUST? ugh

[Soontir Solo]

The YV will have to be mentioned somehow. I personally want to see what kind of shape Coruscant is in now. And other planets the Vong ravaged.

[Kapit]

oh man, i agree, it'll be interesting to see how things have changed

i doubt coruscant will ever be the same, but maybe they got rid of a lot of the terraforming and tried to salvage something out of it

and i wonder what shape duros is in too

[Lord Ulic]

I can't wait to see the new academy on Ossus. Force-adept turning old friends to his cause? Sounds cool. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/saber.gif

[Sam Kenobi]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>oh well, back to the basics, i guess[/b][/quote]

Oh, no. This is EXACTLY what I feared. I don't see how they can go back to basics. We've had basics or 25 years! (In Universe). They finally made something good. The NJO could have been so much better! But they ended it. They killed it. I will still read this book, and hope to G-d that I like it, that I'm wrong about this, but it just sounds like a rehash of old material. I'm not gonna tell you my beliefs again on this because I've said it a million times. I hope I'm not dissapointed, but it looks like I will be. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/banghead.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/barf.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/jangofett.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/crying.gif

[Soontir Solo]

I don't think it will be same at all. This isn't a fight against an Imperial Warlord or anything. This story will be in the Unknown Regions primarily, with a new enemy and the Chiss involved. It should be outstanding. And it will deal with the newer Jedi like the NJO did.

I want to see how the World Brain is doing. It is still on Coruscant remember. Probably still in telepathic contact with Jacen Solo.

I am kind of interested to see what the Jedi Council is like now as well. Whether it is the same 6 Jedi and if the 6 non-Jedi are still on it.

[Sam Kenobi]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>I will still read this book, and hope to G-d that I like it, that I'm wrong about this[/b][/quote]

[BoHeDia]

ive been looking for this info since iu heard of the series, and now, here it is, looks pretty interesting, cant wait...

[Dark Spork]

Jacen and Jaina are missing? Luke, Leia, and Han doing stuff? Right on.

I really don't care how 'basic' the plot sounds - some of the things that Denning has said about the themes he wants to explore sound really interesting. And this is jacket copy, more or less - everything ALWAYS sounds stupid on jacket copy.

And in any case, it's nice to know that if I'm really bored by the villian, I'll only have to deal with him for three books.

But mostly I'm just glad this isn't the big back to Naboo, find out about Padme series. Save that for after ROTS.

ETA: Oh god, how long until I can get rid of this excessive fanboy label????? It BURRRNS!

[Lord Ulic]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>But mostly I'm just glad this isn't the big back to Naboo, find out about Padme series. Save that for after ROTS.
[/b][/quote]
Well it's released after ROTS is released. I think they'll learn more about Padmé in the upcoming 9 books.

[Dark Spork]

Yes, but Dark Nest being written now, and it's probably not safe to touch Naboo at all until after George is done with it. Post-production is a *****.

The 9 booker is gonna be the one. Sigh. At least Allston's on it.

[KarvoZem]

As long as we hear from the Empire of the Hand, or some of the chracters from Survivor's Quest, I'll be happy.

[BoHeDia]

we'll get to see ben as a child to...

[Kapit]

oh yeah, he'll be what? 5 or 6 now, right?

[Soontir Solo]

He should be around 7 or 8. He was born half way during the war against the Vong, and that lasted like 5 years. Valin Horn should be around 18 or so now, might be his father's apprentice for all I know, or possibly Jacen's. I wonder if Luke has taken an apprentice on now. Or if Kyp has.

I am better we see alot of General Fel and Jag.

[Sam Kenobi]

Jaina Fel . . .

[Kapit]

i doubt that

i thought it was resolved in TUF that he didn't want a relationship and just wanted to get beack home

while it would be interesting, i don't think it'll happen

[Sam Kenobi]

I was joking . . .

[Kapit]

oh, well, still, it's possbile, you never know, really, they could pretty much do whatever they want and i'll be happy style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

[Sam Kenobi]

The way it was left, something will happen, whether they fall back in love, or try to stay away from each other. It simply just wont be addressed, though.

[DarthSolo]

I'll bet this story leads to Jaina and Jag's first encounter since TUF, or something like that, and it sparks old flames...

[DarthSolo]

and another thought, concerning the book titles. The Joiner King I'm willing to bet is Raynor Thul. The Unseen Queen could very likely be that one dark jedi we saw in SBS. and The Swarm War, anybody thinking coralskippers? I think the YV will have a sub-plot losely related to the main story in the first two books, but i think they will be more involved come book 3, just by titles.

[Tresk Im'nel]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>The way it was left, something will happen, whether they fall back in love, or try to stay away from each other. It simply just wont be addressed, though[/b][/quote]

I'm betting they'll get back together. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif I hope they do... Whether they'll be married by the end of this trilogy or not, though, is another matter. They may leave that for the 9-book series...

[Suzanne (ex CoS Leia)]

Originally posted by Dark Spork@Oct 21 2004, 04:47 AM
Yes, but Dark Nest being written now, and it's probably not safe to touch Naboo at all until after George is done with it. Post-production is a *****.

The 9 booker is gonna be the one. Sigh. At least Allston's on it.
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They did delay publication from pre-RTS to post-ROTS ... that could be an indicator that this is the one ...

[Suzanne (ex CoS Leia)]

Originally posted by JediKaputski@Oct 21 2004, 03:47 PM
i doubt that

i thought it was resolved in TUF that he didn't want a relationship and just wanted to get beack home

while it would be interesting, i don't think it'll happen
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No no no ... they resolved that they would not be travelling everywhere together, but they would still be getting together as much as they could.

Their relationship is definitely a continuing one, if you re-read that final passage you'll see what I mean.

[Tresk Im'nel]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> ... they resolved that they would not be travelling everywhere together, but they would still be getting together as much as they could.

Their relationship is definitely a continuing one, if you re-read that final passage you'll see what I mean[/b][/quote]

That's definitely how I read it. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[BoHeDia]

me too, and i dont think i could like another character for jaina better then jag...

[Kapit]

Originally posted by Suzanne (ex CoS Leia)+Oct 21 2004, 04:45 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Suzanne (ex CoS Leia) @ Oct 21 2004, 04:45 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-JediKaputski@Oct 21 2004, 03:47 PM
i doubt that

i thought it was resolved in TUF that he didn't want a relationship and just wanted to get beack home

while it would be interesting, i don't think it'll happen
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No no no ... they resolved that they would not be travelling everywhere together, but they would still be getting together as much as they could.

Their relationship is definitely a continuing one, if you re-read that final passage you'll see what I mean.
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thanks

i wasn't sure, it's been awhile

[Sam Kenobi]

But something is gonna' get in there way.

[DarthSolo]

In any case, i think this will be a key get-together for Jag and Jaina. I doubt they are married yet.

[Soontir Solo]

They aren't married, I am pretty sure. And remember that Jag said he was the Chiss Representative to the GFFA after the war, for the years to come. So he would have seen Jaina often. I have no doubt he will be in this trilogy though.

The title of the first book could relate to Raynar Thul, remember he was a Noble of the House of Thul. Very rich and powerful.

But I don't think there will be skips in this trilogy at all, the third book will deal with this new enemy. Obvioulsy one mentioned in the Hand of Thrawn Duology as one of those great enemies in the Unknown Regions the Chiss were keeping at bay.

If skips were involved, if Yuuzghan Vong were involved in anything offensive the GFFA would finish them off completely. And all of them are on Zonama Sekot. They can't leave without the planets permission. They have nothing to fly in and Sekot is in total control. The Vong may have a role, but it won't be one as an enemy or as fighting I think.

I bet Danni is involved in this trilogy. Going out into the Unknown Regions would be her thing, all the new stuff she could discover and stuff.

[Kapit]

wait, i thought some of the vong stayed behind too......

i'm probably mistaken, but weren't there a few that didn't go to zonoma sekot?

in any case, why wouldn't the GFFA try and use them? what if they have a lot of trouble fighting this new enemy? is there any way they can contact the vong or zonoma sekot?

[Soontir Solo]

I am sure at least the Jedi could contact Zonama Sekot, Jacen and Luke at least. But at the end of TUF it is said all the Vong will be taken there, and those that refuse would be wiped out by Nas Choka himself. Nas Choka agreed to this stipulation at the peace process. ALL of the Vong ships were destroyed as well. That was another stipulation of surrender. Zonama Sekot would have half its land given to the Yuuzghan Vong to live and learn how to live without war and such. The GFFA wouldn't call upon them to fight, they wouldn't trust them too in the first place. And Zonama Sekot wouldn't allow it.

[Kapit]

sweet, thanks

i was curious, hard to remember stuff style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

[Soontir Solo]

Yah, and with like 19 books there is just a ton of information.

[DarthSolo]

Originally posted by Soontir Solo@Oct 21 2004, 10:46 AM
If skips were involved, if Yuuzghan Vong were involved in anything offensive the GFFA would finish them off completely. And all of them are on Zonama Sekot. They can't leave without the planets permission. They have nothing to fly in and Sekot is in total control. The Vong may have a role, but it won't be one as an enemy or as fighting I think.

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I never said as an enemy! i am just speculating, but i think that the Vong could show support, even if minor, with military contributions. Maybe im shooting in the dark.

[BoHeDia]

that might be cool, kinda weird to, vong not being in a fighting position...

[Soontir Solo]

Zonama Sekot wouldn't let the Vong give military contributions, Sekot is trying to teach them about peace and how to give up war, violence, and destruction.

And remember that Kre'fey is the supreme commander now, a Bothan who convinced his planet to declare ar'krai on the Yuuzghan Vong. There is no way he would stand for the rearming of the Vong.

[DarthSolo]

ah, yes, good point. i had forgotten about that.

[Soontir Solo]

And with him being a War Hero he must have great political influence.

[DarthSolo]

yeah, i wonder if we'll see bothans throwing their weight around like they did pre and during NJO, mainly Fey'lya, but any number of Bothan politicians could now.

[Soontir Solo]

Yah, I also wonder what Cal Omas has been doing these 5 years, having had to rebuild everything basically.

[DarthSolo]

Oh, yeah, good thought! There is so much to wonder about, all the planets that have been shaped, the political situation, the Yuuzhan Vong themselves, the Chiss and their relationships with the NR and the Empire, and the Hapans, and how are the Hutts doing. Wow, this is gonna be quite a series if Denning wants to look at all those issues. I doubt he will be able to adress them all.

[Kapit]

so that means more books for us!

haha, there's a lot of stuff that had to have happened, and i too would like to see if the really big stuff (ie., shaped planets) has been worked on, like what they've done to make them normal, if they even want to try and make them normal

coruscant is the one i wanna see most, i want to know if it's going to be slavaged

[DarthSolo]

I know, this stuff is really interesting to me!

[Soontir Solo]

Well Coruscant will be salvaged, but the World Brain gets to stay and run part of the planet. That was the deal made at the end. But Coruscant will be the Capital again and will be rebuilt. I want there to be a Jedi Temple on Coruscant again personally. Or at least something on Coruscant all the Jedi can call home.

[Sam Kenobi]

That'd be interesting, a New Jedi Temple. Does this time period still count as the New Jedi Order?

[BoHeDia]

i wouldnt call it that anymore, i'd call it the jedi order again, just the jedi order, cause it isnt new anymore...

[Soontir Solo]

It wouldn't be considered in that era anymore at least. I guess this trilogy will start the new Post-NJO Era.

[Kapit]

so the jedi will now be called the "post-new jedi order jedi"?

hehehe, i forgot aboot the world brain

[Soontir Solo]

The Jedi were never really called the New Jedi Order, just the Jedi. I am assuming they will still just be called the Jedi.

[Kapit]

just a joke style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

how many more jedi do you think there will be?

[Soontir Solo]

Not too many adults. There will be a few younger ones who have made it too at least the status of a Jedi Apprentice, like Valin Horn. But I wouldn't expect to see many newer adult Jedi, if any.

[Kapit]

hmm, cool

i don't think there will be much new in the way of tech

you know how it seemed like very series a new ship was created?

i don't think it's gonna happen this time around, i think they'll be too busy with other things to worry aboot it

[DarthSolo]

i dunno, the corperate world never stops and is always adapting to the consumer needs.

[Soontir Solo]

I am sure there will be new upgraded starfighters out and it wouldn't surprise me if there were new Mon Cal cruisers out or Star Destroyers.

[Sam Kenobi]

Anyone know how many Jedi there were both before and after the NJO?

[Soontir Solo]

Before about 100 Jedi, not counting the children at the Academy.

After the war about 50 Jedi. They took 50% casualties in the war.

[Kapit]

dang, that's crappy

so from what i'm gathering, they'll be around 80 or so for this trilogy? maybe even back to 100?

[DarthSolo]

Eh, depends on what recruiting methods they use

[Sam Kenobi]

Only 100? Seemed like there'd be more.

[Soontir Solo]

There wasn't. Considering it was but about 15 years earlier when he started training those first few students I'd say 100 was quite an accomplishment.

I wouldn't expect 80 Jedi Knights Kaputski. I would expect maybe 60. There isn't anyway Luke could have recruited 30 more people and trained them to the level of Jedi Knight. I would say maybe a few more than 50 really, and those would be some of the students who have grown up to around 18 or 19 years old. I don't think Luke is much into recruiting adult force sensitive people anymore. I think they pretty much do the finding a child at a young age deal now.

[Kapit]

yeah, i was a little off on the kids' ages, thought there were more that were older

and i agree aboot the younger one's being chosen, all the older force-sensitives were picked already, so that makes sense

[Sam Kenobi]

Someone should make a list, like the Asset Traking list.

[Dark Spork]

50%? Really?

And Tenel Ka still isn't dead. Poo!

[Kapit]

she did have an entire systems army behind her (or in front, w/e) so i don't think she'd be dying anytime soon

[Sam Kenobi]

You know, I read the NJO, and recently started reading the Young Jedi Knights Series, and just foiund out that she had no arm.

[Kapit]

HAHHAHAHAHA style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

yeah, that's really not addressed in the NJO, so you really don't know w/o reading the YJK series

[Tresk Im'nel]

The SWT-G has a list of all Jedi from the NJO:

http://www.starwarz.com/timeline

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>And remember that Kre'fey is the supreme commander now, a Bothan who convinced his planet to declare ar'krai on the Yuuzghan Vong. There is no way he would stand for the rearming of the Vong.[/b][/quote]

Did Admiral Kre'fey actually push for ar'krai, or did he just go along with it (all to enthusiastically) after it was declared? I was under the impression that the decision was made by the civilian leadership of the Clans and Kre'fey didn't necessarily lobby for it...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>i don't think there will be much new in the way of tech

you know how it seemed like very series a new ship was created?

i don't think it's gonna happen this time around, i think they'll be too busy with other things to worry aboot it[/b][/quote]

I don't know, I think in TUF there were references to new Mon Calamari starfighters, and to a new class of GFFAN Star Destroyer, the Rejuvenator-class. I also wouldn't be surprised if the Empire might be producing a next-generation Star Destroyer to replace the Imperial-class, the basic design of which is now almost 50 years old, IIRC...

[Tresk Im'nel]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Oh, yeah, good thought! There is so much to wonder about, all the planets that have been shaped, the political situation, the Yuuzhan Vong themselves, the Chiss and their relationships with the NR and the Empire, and the Hapans, and how are the Hutts doing. Wow, this is gonna be quite a series if Denning wants to look at all those issues. I doubt he will be able to adress them all.[/b][/quote]

Yeah, I'm very interested to see how the political situation gets dealt with. It sounds like the Chiss are still definitely maintaining their autonomy. What I'm most interested in is how the Empire will integrate into the GFFA as a member state. I can't help but wonder if Pellaeon, or his successor, will take his reforms a step further and maybe push for elected Moffs?

Also the Hapans' position might be rather interesting. They're in the GFFA now, aren't they? (Sorry, my memory sometimes fails me...) Also the Hutts, although didn't Karrde mention them as one of the groups that had taken a big hit? Whereas the Imps and the Hapans seem to be potentially quite influential at the end of the war...

[Sam Kenobi]

How are they gonna' have money? Don't they have, like, planets to rebuild?

[Tresk Im'nel]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>How are they gonna' have money? Don't they have, like, planets to rebuild?[/b][/quote]

True, which is why I wouldn't expect too much new production, but there is room to seamlessly retcon in a few new designs as having been built during the closing years of the war...

Also, given the scale of resouces available to the Galaxy's major powers, they might be able to produce a few new ships and fighters to replace war losses and obsolete vessels retained longer than intended in addition to the rebuilding efforts that would, hopefully, have priority...

[DarthSolo]

The hutts got hit pretty hard earlier in the war.

[Sam Kenobi]

And deserved it, too.

[Mask of Ice]

Who's the unknown enemy?
Vagaari?

[Tresk Im'nel]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Who's the unknown enemy?
Vagaari?[/b][/quote]

**BIG SPOILER**



I didn't see her actual post on the matter, but I gather from the TOS boards that Sue Rostoni has hinted that the Killiks will play a major role. Not sure if they're the unknown enemy, though. (Apparently the Killiks on Alderaan weren't the only ones out there, and the species itself is not extinct...)

[BoHeDia]

ooooohhhh...bugs...reminds me of MIB...

[Tresk Im'nel]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>ooooohhhh...bugs...reminds me of MIB...[/b][/quote]

LOL

They never have done anything really major with insectoids in the post-ROTJ EU, have they?

[Kapit]

not really, and this kinda makes things a little interesting

bugs.....hmmm

[Soontir Solo]

It won't be the Vagaari because they aren't unknown. I am thinking something pretty much totally new.

I don't think the Imps will be members of the GFFA in the traditional sense, not like a regular planet would be. The Empire will be one section of space that is allied with the GFFA and probably has an ambassador to it. I'd expect the same thing with the Hapans.

[BoHeDia]

Originally posted by Tresk Im'nel@Oct 25 2004, 07:30 AM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>ooooohhhh...bugs...reminds me of MIB...

LOL

They never have done anything really major with insectoids in the post-ROTJ EU, have they?
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well there where those bugs things in the NJO series when tenel ka and jaia and lowbacca and them went to find that doctor in the hapes cluster to try to understand YV biotech, and there where those bug things that luke and his team ran into on that pplanets when they were looking for Zonoma Sekot, but none of it lasted really long...

[Suzanne (ex CoS Leia)]

Originally posted by Soontir Solo@Oct 26 2004, 03:13 AM
It won't be the Vagaari because they aren't unknown. I am thinking something pretty much totally new.

I don't think the Imps will be members of the GFFA in the traditional sense, not like a regular planet would be. The Empire will be one section of space that is allied with the GFFA and probably has an ambassador to it. I'd expect the same thing with the Hapans.
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I pretty much agree with you there - although in relation to the first para I think it won't be the Vagaari more because they're Zahn's and he still has more up his sleeve in realtion to them so they'd be off-limits.

[Soontir Solo]

Yeah, that is probably true.

And I wouldn't expect anything to come from the bugs seen in Dark Journey or Star by Star, they weren't intelligent beings, just animals.

[DarthSolo]

yeah, its Star Wars, there are plenty of insectoid like creatures around, and its the unknown regions, so we might not know them!

[Sam Kenobi]

Who are these 'Vagaari' again?

[Dark Spork]

Bad guys in Survivor's Quest. Not a lot else out there on them yet.

[Soontir Solo]

Yah, besides that they took a huge defeat by the Chiss at the end of Survivor's Quest.


I wonder what role, if any Ben will have in this trilogy. He should be around 7 or 8 years old so I am sure he will be shown some at least. It will be the 9 Book Series set 10 years after NJO that will probably have a-lot about him.

[Kapit]

he'll probably be in training, but who will be his master?.....

[Soontir Solo]

In this book he should stil be at the Academy, he will be too young to have a master. In the series 10 years after NJO he may have a master though, and I am betting it is either Luke or Jacen.

[Kapit]

probably gonna be jacen, when the time comes

luke could start, but by then he'll be pretty old

is the academy gonna be based in the maw, or are they going back to yavin 4?

[BoHeDia]

i hope there is one or at least something for the jedi back on coruscant...but i think they said something about Ossus too...

[Kapit]

ooo, i forgot ossus!

but it would be good for them to have a place on coruscant, another temple

[BoHeDia]

im pretty sure there might be something on ossus, but a traveling academy wouldnt be to bad either, a ship of somekind...

[Kapit]

mobile base.....i like it, that would be pretty cool

it couldn't be smaller than a star destroyer

[BoHeDia]

kinda like the ship that crashd on dathomir, i cant remember the name, it was the...Chu'Unthor or something,but maybe they will keep the base on eclipse too...

[Kapit]

yeah, i think it was the chu'uthor, sounds right

i think they would need more jedi before they did that though

[BoHeDia]

well the ship wouldnt have to be all jedi, it coulcd be run by civilians, like maybe boosters ship, seeing as how he might kinda be retired and stuff...

[Kapit]

so maybe they could persuade booster to let them use most of his ship

[DarthSolo]

booster was letting them use the ship earlier in the NJO.

[Kapit]

maybe they can take it over now....i'm sure with enough money or soemthing booster would do it

[Soontir Solo]

No he won't. He has given his heart to his Star Destroyer even painting it red. There is no way he would give his ship up willingly. He would fight for it to the last.

[Kapit]

yeah, but what if he still owned it, and just carted them around

it's still his ship, the jedi get a moving base, everyone wins

[BoHeDia]

that would be cool...

[Soontir Solo]

It isn't what the Jedi need though. They need ot have peace and quiet while they train. Booster is a Smuggler who is constantly getting into trouble. They need to be on a peaceful planet where they can study and grow in the force with no distractions like being on a Red Star Destroyer run by a Smuggler.

[Kapit]

yeah, that's true

i guess you didn't like the chu'unthor then?

[Soontir Solo]

Kind of hard to like or dislike it, not too much info on it besides that it had Jedi aboard with training stuff and it crashed. I don't know why it was used and what the exact purpose was and the real details that would allow me to make an honest opinion.

[Kapit]

understandable

you know, i think it would be pretty cool if the imp remnant actaually became part of the GFFA

it would make things come full-circle, kinda like it's finally closing that saga

[Soontir Solo]

I actually kind of like knowing the Remanant is indepenent and when Pellaeon dies might one day end up getting a leader with Imperial ambitions again. Plus I think the Imps might have more territory if they did get to keep some planets like they wanted too. It wouldn't surprise me if they were now in possession of planets like Belkadan, Dubrillion, Dantooine, Agamar, and other planets that border the Remnant.

[Kapit]

that would make the moffs happy

[Soontir Solo]

Yah, and Pellaeon too really. Pellaeon has got to be getting really old. He has to be close to 90 in this upcoming trilogy. I still thought he should have gotten more prominence in The Unifying Force. He was a better commander than Kre'fey.

[Kapit]

yeah, i definitely agree with you there

and he is getting pretty dang old, almost time to hang up the hat

i bet his little medical emergency didn't help that at all

[Soontir Solo]

No, probably not. He was in a bacta tank for days. But then again what doesn't kill you makes you stronger. His life threatening ordeal made him that much more audacious against the Vong at Borosk during Force Heretic 1

[Sam Kenobi]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Yah, and Pellaeon too really. Pellaeon has got to be getting really old. He has to be close to 90 in this upcoming trilogy.[/b][/quote]

Really. How old was he in the the Thrawn books? 50?

[DarthSolo]

yeah, he was up there in the NJO!

[BoHeDia]

wow, they better make him die good...whatever that means...

[DarthSolo]

i honestly doubt they will, they didnt give Ackbar a death on the Bridge of a flaming Mon Cal cruiser, i have a premonition that Palleon won't get the honor of going down with a Star Destroer! It is kinda disapointing, but when we look at it, comon, not everyone can die in battle. The NJO went with a realistic perspective with actually killing people, and also how they die. Ackbar was old, and old people tend to croak.

[BoHeDia]

damn those old croakers...

[DarthSolo]

eh, dont blamethem, they croak, its what they're good at. that was a terrible statement, i appologize

[BoHeDia]

lol...style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[Soontir Solo]

I think Pellaeon will get an Ackbar like death.

And yes he was at least 50 in TTT Sam. I actually older, I think the number would actually be around 60.

[Soontir Solo]

It is the same with Garm Bel Iblis. He is just as old now, and Riekkan and Airen Cracken as well.

[BoHeDia]

man, the military is run by a bunch of old farts...

[Kapit]

and just think, they all have to be replaced by hip, new youngsters who do everything different from them, and then the old people feel they have to come back cause the youngin's are ruining the military they created

[Soontir Solo]

Kre'fey is pretty young. I would say younger than 50. Wedge should be coming up on 50 in this next series, just like Luke. Farlander is probably over 50. General Etahn A'baht is like 200 years old actually. Commodore Brand is around 60 I think.

[Suzanne (ex CoS Leia)]

Here's a teaser from Sremmuy over at TOS:

http://forums.starwars.com/thread.jspa?thr...4510&start=1197 (http://forums.starwars.com/thread.jspa?threadID=124510&start=1197)

[Kapit]

interesting stuff there

[BoHeDia]

its not fair Sue getws to read it and make us all anticipate it even more...

[Kapit]

hahaha, i agree

oh well, just gives you even more to look forward to, and shows that the future of SW is gonna be freakin awesome!

[BoHeDia]

HELL YEAH!!!

[Kapit]

can't wait, just can't wait.......

i don't know if i agree with danni just disappearing

[BoHeDia]

Im not gonna read up on it anymore, cause i want it all to be new and make me slobber more...it'll be like jumping back into starwars after a really long vacation...OH YEAH, 400 POSTS..

[Kapit]

good idea, not looking for info is good

vacation? where you headed?

[Tresk Im'nel]

I think Pellaeon and Bel Iblis will probably die of natural causes. Quite frankly, I'm glad that some of the characters manage to live that long, I'm not such a "blaze of glory" fan...

I wouldn't be surprised if Pellaeon maybe retires and designates a new Grand Admiral, I wonder if (s)he might be a new character...

[DarthSolo]

i dont know about designating a new GA, but im sure if the Imps are invovled in this next series we will be introduced to some manner of Imperial high officer taht will undoubtedly take GAP's place.

[BoHeDia]

Originally posted by JediKaputski@Oct 27 2004, 11:30 PM
good idea, not looking for info is good

vacation? where you headed?
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nowhere, but i prolly wont buy anymore boks, im trying to save up for my planer ticket home for christmas and dont have extra cash, so when i get those books, it'll be like getting back into starwars after a really long time...

[Kapit]

i see

well, you could alwyas ask for books for christmas....hehe

[Sam Kenobi]

Did the Imperials that were escorting Luke and Mara in the Unknown Regions while looking for Zonoma Sekot ever found?

And doesn't one of the books imply that Pellaon had a son, who died? I wonder if he has a wife or other kids.

[Soontir Solo]

The son had a different last name Sam, and yes the son did die. he died in The Final Prophecy if I remember correctly. I don't think he had a wife though because of the last name thing.

And as far as the Imps go I am sure they made there way back to Imperial space, though we don't actuall hear from them.

[BoHeDia]

i think it did say something about them getting back...

[Soontir Solo]

It might have in the beginning of TUF. I really can't remember though.

[DarthSolo]

I really liked the son character, i think they did a great job with him, and his death was done well, though i would have liked to see more of him,

[Tresk Im'nel]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>The son had a different last name Sam, and yes the son did die. he died in The Final Prophecy if I remember correctly. I don't think he had a wife though because of the last name thing.[/b][/quote]

Pellaeon's son's name was Captain Mynar Devis, and yes, it was TFP. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif I'm pretty sure Pellaeon wasn't married, he made a reference to speaking to Devis's mother in a manner that (IMO) implied he was not married to her. And I agree with DarthSolo, I liked Captain Devis, but it's too bad he didn't get developed further. I wonder if we'll ever find out what happened between Pellaeon and Ms. Devis...

[DarthSolo]

dunt dunt duunnnnnnn......

[BoHeDia]

dodolooooooooooooooooooo...

[BoHeDia]

dodolooooooooooooooooooo...

[BoHeDia]

..something weird is going on here, ive made a post like twice and its not showo=ing it...

[BoHeDia]

nevermind, its fixed now...that was weird...

[housse]

Dark Spork - what is this 9-booker you mention?

[Soontir Solo]

A 9 Book Post-NJO series that is coming out after the Dark Next Trilogy. It will take place 10 years after NJO and 5 years after Dark Nest.

[Dark Spork]

There are three authors, Aaron Allston, Troy Denning, and Karen Traviss. They haven't even had story meetings yet, so that's about all we know.

[Soontir Solo]

Yah, I don't think they are expecting the first book to come out till at least 2006.

[DarthSolo]

This 9 book series could be awesome. Its obviously gonna be something pretty big, its 9 books!

Ill bet it involves alot of what happens in Dark Nest, after all, Denning does is writing in it..

[BoHeDia]

oooohh, i cant wait...

[housse]

Impressive!

[DarthSolo]

Most impressive.

[Suzanne (ex CoS Leia)]

here's some information from the TOS:
http://www.starwars.com/eu/news/2004/09/news20040915.html

The story conference is due in mid-November.

I thought there was already a thread on it ... I'll go and have a look.

[Kapit]

cool, sounds interesting

can't wait to hear more!

[BoHeDia]

oooooooooooooooohhh...i makes me wonder to no extent...

[Suzanne (ex CoS Leia)]

There didn't appear to be a thread re the 9 book series so I started one:
http://www.galacticsenate.com/index.php?showtopic=10696

At TOS Sue Rostoni has indicated that the bad guys will be entirely new and not connected to the Dark Nest trilogy.

[Soontir Solo]

I figured they would be entirely new and seperate from Dark Nest, since they are 5 years from eachother.

[BoHeDia]

thats good, its not all that great when all the enemies are old or tied in from another series, new enemies are great, take the YV for example...

[Soontir Solo]

Yah, I think the Unknown Regions is definitely going to play a big part in the 9 Book Series. I think Zahn really set the Unknown Regions up in his Hand of Thrawn Duology to be the site of lots of new stories when Fel and Parck went on about the tons of terrible things out there.

[Tresk Im'nel]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>thats good, its not all that great when all the enemies are old or tied in from another series, new enemies are great, take the YV for example...[/b][/quote]

Exactly. I think they've learned their lesson from the late Bantam-era with all the "Warlord-of-the-Month Club" and "Darksider-of-the-Month Club" villains. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Yah, I think the Unknown Regions is definitely going to play a big part in the 9 Book Series. I think Zahn really set the Unknown Regions up in his Hand of Thrawn Duology to be the site of lots of new stories when Fel and Parck went on about the tons of terrible things out there.[/b][/quote]

I wouldn't be too surprised if the villains for both series come from the Unknown Regions...

[BoHeDia]

^good point, and i think they most likely will...

[Soontir Solo]

Yah, thats basicaly what I said.

[BoHeDia]

hopefully since what i think they were dwindling down past the hundreds, that they will AT LEAST be in the 500's and up...

[Soontir Solo]

What will Bohemian?

[BoHeDia]

the jedi...i dont know where that post came from, but its there...

[Soontir Solo]

They won't be in the 500's, I guarantee it. It took Luke 20 years to get the number up to 100. They were down to about 50 at the end of the war. There numbers will be 70 tops in Dark Nest. Trust Me!

[BoHeDia]

maybe, but im hoping them to be in the hundreds...

[DarthSolo]

Im agreeing with soontir. We might see 100 again by the 9 book series.

[BoHeDia]

well, i just hope you all are wrong...

[DarthSolo]

Well, i dont think its all that realistic....

[Soontir Solo]

Yah, Bohemian it just isn't realistic. It isn't like they can just find anybody around the corner and train them to be a Jedi Knight. They have 50, with probably 20 students. So at the very most you can expect 70 Jedi Knights, though I think it will probably be a few less than that.

[Tresk Im'nel]

I hope the Jedi have increased their numbers back, but I agree with Soontir and DarthSolo, I don't think they'll have had time to get back up above 100, certainly not by much. Not within five years...

[Soontir Solo]

Mark my words about 70

[Kapit]

i bet ya a dollar it's going to be 90

[Tresk Im'nel]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Mark my words about 70[/b][/quote]

Might be a tiny bit higher. If there were about 50 survivors and 20 students, there could also be additional Force-sensitives who've been recruited in the intervening years. Although not all of the students would be full Knights yet. Probably about 70, give or take ten or so...

[Soontir Solo]

Not all of the students will be Jedi Knights now either though, remember that.

It won't be 90, I know that.

[Tresk Im'nel]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Not all of the students will be Jedi Knights now either though, remember that.[/b][/quote]

I did note that. But the reason I'm not discounting slightly higher (say, 75 or so) is that the number of adult new students could perhaps slightly exceed the number of young students still not ready for Knighthood...

[Soontir Solo]

I am not even sure Luke is recruiting adult students anymore. I doubt he is. And even if he is he won't find enough and train them all to the Jedi Knight level to reach a number approaching 90.

[BoHeDia]

GO LUKE, TRAIN THOSE JEDI!!!

[Soontir Solo]

I don't even think Luke does much of the training now either, to anyone. I think it is mostly Kam Solusar, his wife Tionne, and Streen.

[DarthSolo]

i say 70-80. hey look soontir and I are agreeing!

[BoHeDia]

wow, thats a first, and mara trians to, but maybe not as much now seeing as how shes a mother...corran could go to teaching, but i dont think it fits him very well, maybe since we arent in war kyp could teach, but that could get dangerous....

[Lord Ulic]

Maybe Luke still trains the more powerful students. They'll have recruited a few new jedi, but some might also have been killed in small conflicts in the aftermath.

I wonder when the numbers will be up to 10000 again, Luke will prolly already be dead, but maybe he's one of those that stays around for a while.

[Kapit]

i think they won't be back up to 10000 until WAY after jacen and jaina are even dead

at the rate they've been going in the EU, it's going to take forever

[Lord Ulic]

Wanna try to make a list of the jedi who are still alive?

[Kapit]

not right now, i haven't had a coherent thought since yesterday around 8 pm EST

you can start on one, i'm sure someone else will be along to give you a hand

[DarthSolo]

start a thread for it or something

[Soontir Solo]

Luke Skywalker
Mara Jade Skywalker
Kyp Durron
Cilghal
Jacen Solo
Jaina Solo
Tahiri Veila
Tam Azur-Jamin
Kirana Ti
Streen
Kam Solusar
Tionne
Corran Horn
Zekk
Lowbacca
Saba Sebatyne
Wonetun
Tresini Lobi
Madurrin
Waxarn Kel
Tenal Ka
Tekli
Alema Rar
Kenth Hamner
Tesar Sebatyne
Possibly Raynar Thul, though who knows where he is
Izal Waz
Danni Quee
Leia (I do consider her a Jedi Knight)
Markre Medjev
Kyle Katarn
About a Dozen or so Barabel that we have no names for
Tyria Sarkin

Those are the ones off the top of my head

[DarthSolo]

show off.

[Soontir Solo]

Just figured if Ulic wanted a list I might as well start it.

[Soontir Solo]

And you can probably add about a Dozen Barabel that show dont' get named, though we know they exist because the Wild Knights is made up almost entirely of Barabel.

[Lord Ulic]

I think the timeline gold has a list of the surviving jedi (didn't JTS make it?). I'll look for it when I have time.

[BoHeDia]

good stuff soontir, i have a list, but didnt bring it with me when i joined the mil...its still at home in florida, thats if it survived three hurricane...

[DarthSolo]

i saw a list somewhre, somehow. I remember a guy named Markre Medjev, i dont know if that was on soontirs list.

[BoHeDia]

Yeah, he was on my list, but like i said, its in florida, when i come back from christmas, i'll try to have my starwars journals that i made...

[Soontir Solo]

I forgot about him Darthsolo, and I just remembered someone else.........Kyle Katarn.

[Soontir Solo]

I added those two and Tyria Sarkin (I just remembered her as well)

Right now I have an exact number at 31, not counting Raynar Thul or the Dozen or so Barabel Jedi.

[BoHeDia]

i think there are more, damn i wish i had my journals and timelines...

[Suzanne (ex CoS Leia)]

I think James Luceno pretty much listed them all (except for the jedi students who were all lumped under the lable with a few exceptions) towards the end of TUF. I'm at work so don't have it available at the moment ...

[Kapit]

i have it here, let me check it out

i'll keep you all updated....

whereabouts would it be?

[Suzanne (ex CoS Leia)]

Originally posted by JediKaputski@Nov 4 2004, 01:46 PM
i have it here, let me check it out

i'll keep you all updated....

whereabouts would it be?
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It's in the last chapter - when the Jedi all gather together.

[Soontir Solo]

I have that one with me too, I'll go check it out.

[Kapit]

ah, okay, i see what you're talking aboot

it only lists around 15 of the jedi, and they're already listed

515-517 or so

[Lord Ulic]

Damaya is also part of those.

[Lord Ulic]

ALIVE

Luke Skywalker
Mara Jade Skywalker
Kyle Katarn
Leia Organa Solo
Jaina Solo
Jacen Solo
Corran Horn
Valin Horn
Jysella Horn
Tahiri Veila
Danni Quee
Kyp Durron
Keyan Farlander
Cilghal
Streen
Kirana Ti
Damaya
Octa Ramis
Lowbacca
Tresk Im'nel
Kam Solusar
Tionne Solusar
Kenth Hamner
Tenel Ka
Tekli
Markre Medjav
Tresina Lobi
Uldir Lochett
Izal Waz
Tesar Sebatyne
Saba Sebatyne
Sannah
Klin-Fa Gi
Yabaley
Alema Rar
Zekk
Cheklev
Wonetun
Sinsor Khal
Tyria Sarkin Tainer
Doran Tainer
Madurrin
Waxarn Kel

POSSIBLY STILL ALIVE

Harlan
Jaden Korr
Rosh Penin
Corwin Shelvay
Jaalib Brandl
Alex Winger
Fable Astin
Daye Azur-Jamin
Tam Azur-Jamin
Raynar Thul
Vima-Da-Boda

54 in total.

[BoHeDia]

see, so in 5 years, they might be in the hundreds...like 101 or something...hassahha101 jedi...

[Soontir Solo]

Your still thinking of making a Jedi Knight as if they come off an assembly line Bohemian. Once again I promise you 70, possibly a few less.

Alot of those names were never even in the series Lord Ulic, where did you find that list?

And Tam Azur-Jamin is definitely alive just so you know. He as in TUF.

[Lord Ulic]

The list is from the timeline gold.

[Soontir Solo]

Well 54 is about right it sounds, that would be half.

[BoHeDia]

no, i just dont think luke trains jedi like the old republic did, he doesnt take as long...

[Soontir Solo]

Don't expect him to have the numbers doubled in 5 years though. It took him 20 years to get it up from just himself to 100. And now he doesn't even look for Adult students, they just go with the youngsters now.

[BoHeDia]

yeah, well, the youngsters normally finish around 18 or 20 instead of 25 or 26...your prolly right though, okay, new guess for me, 86, i like that number...

[Soontir Solo]

That is a weird number to pick, but it still won't be that high but oh well.

[BoHeDia]

okay, first i let you take away 500, then you raped me for 101, but i wont let you have 86...it was the year i was born...its mine!!!

[DarthSolo]

LOL!

[Soontir Solo]

It was the year I was born too, big deal!

[Kapit]

hey, wait a minute now

it's my year too! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

[DarthSolo]

and mine too....i stil say about 70-80.

[BoHeDia]

86!!!

[Soontir Solo]

70!!!

[BoHeDia]

<u><span style="color:blue"><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:100%"><span style="font-family:Geneva">86!!!</span></span></span></u>

[Kapit]

*shakes head* how aboot we say this:

no one knows yet!

[BoHeDia]

^this guy is the greatest, he always has good ideas...

[Soontir Solo]

I know

[Kapit]

ohhhh, thanks to the both of you! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif

[DarthSolo]

i guess im a bit late to say 73!!!!! I TELL YOU ITS 73!!!!

[BoHeDia]

im not gonna talk anymore about the number, but what else do you guys think will be happenin...

[Soontir Solo]

I think the Chiss will be forced to rely on the Jedi's help to defeat this new enemy, even if they don't want too.

[BoHeDia]

that would certainly bring the together and get rid of that "we can take care of ourselves thing" that the chiss have going on...

[Soontir Solo]

Yah, and remember they never really got that involved against the Vong, at least not as allies with the GFFA. Jag and his squadron were the only soldiers from Chiss Space who fought with the GFFA.

[BoHeDia]

yes, and to them, they werent getting help from the GFFA, they were helping the GFFA...

[Soontir Solo]

I want to see the Chiss take out the Ssi-Ruuk completely one of these days. We know they ahve fought eachother before and they do border eachother. I really want to see them just anhilate the Ssi-Ruuk.

[BoHeDia]

your for genocide then...do you think that the YV should have been annihalated too...

[Soontir Solo]

Fine, not completely but all of there military capabilities wiped out.

[BoHeDia]

well, thats okay then, what did i put you on a guilt trip...lol...

[Soontir Solo]

I just made the first post into something it wasn't meant to be. I said the Ssi-Ruuk as a whole but actually meant like the warriors, just didn't say it that specifically. So I corrected it.

[Tresk Im'nel]

I think we might well see closer ties between the Chiss and the GFFA by the end of this series. Exactly how so remains to be seen, though.

As for the Ssi-Ruuk, I doubt if they'll play a major role, although I could be wrong.

[BoHeDia]

i just cant wait fort this damn book to come out, its drivnign me crazy...hey, so you guys think that zonoma sekot will be involved in any more books if not these ones...

[Soontir Solo]

It will definitely be involved, though I am not sure about being involved in Dark Nest. Something like a living planet being in existence and being the caretaker of the Yuuzghan Vong has to have a role in the future. And remember that Ben is supposed to be there eventually, Luke said so himself at the end of TUF and saw a vision of Ben with a Sekotan Fighter in Edge of Victory 2.

By the way I see Mara dying either in Dark Nest or the Post Dark Nest Series, just so everyone knows. It will happen.