Dark Nest Trilogy

[BoHeDia]

i dont think so, why would they do that...

[DarthSolo]

soontir, werent you saying mara would die in TUF? you are just out to kill the lady!!!

[Tresk Im'nel]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>By the way I see Mara dying either in Dark Nest or the Post Dark Nest Series, just so everyone knows. It will happen.[/b][/quote]

Interesting. You may be right, but what makes you think so? I can see how that might happen because they presumably won't be allowed to kill off Luke, Leia or Han (*big sigh of relief*), so she's the closest they can come for shock effect...

I think Pellaeon will probably be retired by Dark Nest, I wonder who his successor will be? Probably a new character, IMO, since most of the old Star Destroyer captains from TTT are still Captains, and nearing retirement age at that. However we know from FH1 that Pellaeon has several Vice Admirals and Admirals under his command, as far as I know none of them is a known (named) character. My bet is we'll probably see one of them succeed Pellaeon as leader of the Imperial Remnant, and perhaps also be promoted to Grand Admiral. It would be interesting if Pellaeon's successor is the first female Imperial Grand Admiral...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>soontir, werent you saying mara would die in TUF? you are just out to kill the lady!!![/b][/quote]

Oh... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

[Kapit]

i could see paelleon being dead before dark nest

a nice "die in his sleep" thing, and it could be right before, so they have a new leader and would still be getting adjusted to the job

just an idea

[DarthSolo]

if i recall correctly soontir thinks Mara will die because of a vision luke had in Rebirth (i think it was rebirth) seeing him and Ben alone or something. I dont remember fully what soontir said or what the vision is, but im sure the man can clear it upfor himslef.

[Soontir Solo]

Yes, Luke had a vision during Mara's labor. He had visions of Ben on a planet unlike anyother (which we now know is Zonoma Sekot now) and with a living craft, but a little different from coralskippers (which we know now is a Sekotan fighter). He had the visions always of him and Ben and maybe some others, teens like Ben, but Mara was NEVER in any of them. Luke felt that this might be a premonition of Mara's death before Ben reached his teen years. Now of course I assumed this would happen in TUF, and I was wrong...........but she will die and fulfill the vision. Zonoma Sekot being part of the galaxy again and giving fighters to the Jedi only reinforces this. I think Mara will die in the 9 Book Series. Someone important will die in that series, and we know it won't be Luke, Han, or Leia. So Mara is the next logical choice, and the vision only reinforces that.

[DarthSolo]

I can see that. but, do we know if Lucas he lifted any restrictions on character deaths or not? he's got to realize that the big three are gettin old!

[Tresk Im'nel]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>i could see paelleon being dead before dark nest

a nice "die in his sleep" thing, and it could be right before, so they have a new leader and would still be getting adjusted to the job[/b][/quote]

That has occurred to me, too. But I think he'll probably sort out details of who is to succeed him in very short order, knowing that he's getting very old, almost immediately after TUF. Whether or not he'll already be dead by DN or not, I don't know, but I think he'll probably be retired. I certainly wouldn't expect him to be around in the 9-book series.

And I agree that he'll probably die peacefully in his sleep. I'm glad they've allowed some characters to reach that point, nice change from sudden and untimely.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Yes, Luke had a vision during Mara's labor. He had visions of Ben on a planet unlike anyother (which we now know is Zonoma Sekot now) and with a living craft, but a little different from coralskippers (which we know now is a Sekotan fighter). He had the visions always of him and Ben and maybe some others, teens like Ben, but Mara was NEVER in any of them. Luke felt that this might be a premonition of Mara's death before Ben reached his teen years. Now of course I assumed this would happen in TUF, and I was wrong...........but she will die and fulfill the vision. Zonoma Sekot being part of the galaxy again and giving fighters to the Jedi only reinforces this. I think Mara will die in the 9 Book Series. Someone important will die in that series, and we know it won't be Luke, Han, or Leia. So Mara is the next logical choice, and the vision only reinforces that.[/b][/quote]

Good point. You may be on to something there...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>I can see that. but, do we know if Lucas he lifted any restrictions on character deaths or not? he's got to realize that the big three are gettin old![/b][/quote]

Older, but thinking-about-retirement old, not geratric. Luke and Leia are only in their mid-fifties in DN and Han is in his mid-sixties, they're still a long way from being near dying of old age, given the medical standards in the GFFA. And speaking as a fan I personally think that Han, Luke and Leia should die of old age, I don't want them to die in a battle or disaster, no matter how heroically.

[Kapit]

[quote] And I agree that he'll probably die peacefully in his sleep. I'm glad they've allowed some characters to reach that point, nice change from sudden and untimely. [/quote

yeah, it's nice to know that some characters die normally

as to the big three, one of them will go all out when they die, and i see it being luke

[Tresk Im'nel]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>yeah, it's nice to know that some characters die normally[/b][/quote]

See edit above. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif After all, this is Star Wars, not a Derek Robinson novel about the RAF in WWII...

[Kapit]

*whistles nonchalantly*

[Tresk Im'nel]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>as to the big three, one of them will go all out when they die, and i see it being luke[/b][/quote]

Yeah. If one of the big three dies in battle, I'd say it'll almost certainly be Luke. Han is the next most likely, and Leia is the least likely, IMHO. Maybe that's just wishful thinking on my part because I'll cry the most if it's Leia, though. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

[Soontir Solo]

Tresk: I am glad you think I may be on to something, because I am. The prophecy Luke saw will be fulfilled, I guarntee it.

[BoHeDia]

i hope not...i think that enough children in starwarz have grown up without mothers or mothers directly involved...

[Soontir Solo]

And one more will, I promise.

[BoHeDia]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

[Master Shrive]

To show what I don't know, what was this prophecy Luke foresaw?

Edit: Never mind, I just back read!

[BoHeDia]

omg, i was about to say...

[DarthSolo]

haha! Soontir, there could be many other things there. Just because Mara wasn't in the vision doesn't mean she is dead. Luke probably, in an emotional moment, came to that conclusion. Besides, always in motion the future is. At the same time, I agree though, Mara could well die in the 9 booker. I actually think itd be a good plot point. But, I am keeping an open mind, and i would advise everyone to do that...

[BoHeDia]

WELL, I LIKE HER AND THINK SHE SHOULDNT DIE.,..

[Soontir Solo]

She will though BoHeDia, Luke has foreseen it.

[Kapit]

not necessarily

he didn't see her, that doesn't mean she's dead

she could have been away at that particular moment, who really knows

just because some of us don't post on the GS at the moment you are on doesn't mean we're dead

[Soontir Solo]

He didn't just see one image, he saw images of Ben through out his teen years, and Mara was in NONE of them. He saw images of himself and Ben, and Ben with others (friends) but NEVER with Mara

[Kapit]

so she went on vacation, what's wrong with that? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

[Soontir Solo]

She went on vacation without Luke or her son? And she did this over a span of years? Luke saw different images of Ben at different ages.

[Kapit]

note the "winking smilie" after that......

[Soontir Solo]

I don't ever pay much attention to emoticons.

[Kapit]

it helped this time around....

[Suzanne (ex CoS Leia)]

I don't think that Mara is in jeopardy - I think that the vision was a plot device to increase the tension and nothing more. There are some visions that come to pass and others that do not - "always in motion the future is" and all that.

I strongly believe that because of the convention among authors that you can not kill a character without their creator's permission, the only one to kill her would be Zahn - and in an interview earlier this year he indicated that he had no such plans.

[BoHeDia]

^YAY!!!

[Soontir Solo]

The author of SBS killed Anakin Solo and he didn't create that character. All of the Jedi that were killed weren't created by the authors that wrote the book. I dont' think the matter of who created the character has anything to do with it.

[BoHeDia]

i think that it has something to do with it, maybe not all of it, but at least somehting...

[Soontir Solo]

Anderson created all the young Jedi that were killed in the NJO, and he didn't write any of the books in the NJO.

[BoHeDia]

that doesnt mean anything, maybe they told him or even asked him if they could, maybe not, maybe they just sent hiom notifications like they did in WW1 & 2, telling him his characters died...

[DarthSolo]

its not a terribly strong argument that zahn has control over mara, though we dont really know. TZ does have some weight to throw around, and im sure the peeps at Lucasbooks have respect for him and the fact he created mara, and it would be nice to have her die in his book. Im sure it goes that way for alotta big EU chracters, like stackpole with corran horn, and well, i cant think of others currently, but really i dont know if there is alot of weight to that argument, but there could be.

I think it really could go either way. I can see a good plot twist with mara dying, i would be interested to read it and probably would applaud it greatly, but i also think her being alive would be just as good. As i stated before, Luke very likely could have seen the vision and assumed in his emotional state that mara was going to die. And of course "always in motion the future is" style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/y.gif keep an open mind, both parties...

[Suzanne (ex CoS Leia)]

Originally posted by Soontir Solo@Nov 13 2004, 04:47 AM
The author of SBS killed Anakin Solo and he didn't create that character. All of the Jedi that were killed weren't created by the authors that wrote the book. I dont' think the matter of who created the character has anything to do with it.
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I didn't say that they had to kill them off - just theat they had to give permission. Zahn's indication is that he would not be inclined to have anyone kill her off just yet.

And Anakin's death was authorised from above (GL himself). IF GL had that level of concern about Mara then she would have been bumped off during the NJO.

[DarthSolo]

well, actually, the writers of the series wanted to kill Jacen, but GL said to kill Anakin because fans would get confused with having two anakins (how dumb does he think we are). So, really, he wasn't approving, he was dictating.

[BoHeDia]

^thats true to, personally, i think that anakin could have been great, but GL didnt want history to repeat itself i guess, two great jedi, both named anakin, i dont know what he was thinking...

[Darth Nuke]

GL didn't say kill Anakin, he just said that he couldn't be the hero.

[Kapit]

actually, he did, because anakin was going to be the main character for the NJO

here's a quote from Shelly Shapiro in the Vector Prime e-book:

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>...[GL]’s the one who said the alien invaders could not be dark side Force-users, that we couldn’t kill Luke, that we had to kill Anakin instead of Jacen (we had originally planned it the other way around)...[/b][/quote]

[BoHeDia]

thats hard evidence in my book...

[Soontir Solo]

Yeah, very hard evidence.

[Suzanne (ex CoS Leia)]

Originally posted by JediKaputski@Nov 14 2004, 03:04 PM
actually, he did, because anakin was going to be the main character for the NJO

here's a quote from Shelly Shapiro in the Vector Prime e-book:

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>...[GL]’s the one who said the alien invaders could not be dark side Force-users, that we couldn’t kill Luke, that we had to kill Anakin instead of Jacen (we had originally planned it the other way around)...
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[/b][/quote]

Yes GL said that they had to kill Anakin, not Jacen, but he did not give any reason. The additional refererences regarding the confusion were actually drawn from speculation by Jim Luceno. GL has never actually said anything about it himself.

[BoHeDia]

hmmmmmmmm...

[Soontir Solo]

GL said they "had" to kill Anakin. It is pretty obvious that is because of the existence of Anakin Skywalker.

[BoHeDia]

^it is obvious, but that is still assuming...

[Soontir Solo]

Life is based on assumptions. And I know there is other evidence that Lucas wanted Anakin killed because of his name, I just don't have it on hand at the moment.

[DarthSolo]

i think in that interview shapiro or luceno actually says it wasbecause of skywalker

[Soontir Solo]

Luceno said so, but I think some people still consider that an assumption because Lucas himself actually didn't say it.

[DarthSolo]

*rolls eyes* comon.

[Suzanne (ex CoS Leia)]

Originally posted by DarthSolo@Nov 17 2004, 02:39 PM
i think in that interview shapiro or luceno actually says it wasbecause of skywalker
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In the interview Luceno expressly stated that he did not know GL's reason, but that he assumed that it was because he wanted there to be no confusion.

[BoHeDia]

too many poeple...too many assumptions...

[DarthSolo]

right, well its still a pretty logical assumption. what other reason is there?

[BoHeDia]

none right now, but yo never know what might become clear later on...

[Soontir Solo]

I think it is already clear enough.

[BoHeDia]

maybe...to some people...

[DarthSolo]

yes, it possible it could become clear later, maybewith EpIII,but i doubt it will happen.

[BoHeDia]

it will, it definetly will, eventualkly...

[DarthSolo]

why? really, why should GL really care to make it clear to us why he killed anakin solo. Does he really pay that much attention to the EU? Yes, he does dictate it, but, as long as something doesn't step out of line, he really isnt that involved. There is already a good explanation out there as to why he did it, so why does he really need to give another one? it doesnt seeem to me that GL is the kinda guy who would really care if we have a good explanation or not. He knows we'll debate it endlessly anyway.

[BoHeDia]

its just my opinion, if the fans want to know enough, he will tell...

[Soontir Solo]

I doubt it, I think he has made it clear enough and won't bother with it anymore.

[Kapit]

maybe he just really hates the name anakin now

[BoHeDia]

thats always a possibility...

[DarthSolo]

i guess that could be a possibility, but really, i dont think GL will tell us what we want to know. Will we ever know Yoda's species? Doubtful.

[Soontir Solo]

Yes indeed, very doubtful.

[BoHeDia]

86!!!lol...

[Soontir Solo]

I wont' even say a word against that. lol

[BoHeDia]

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[Soontir Solo]

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[DarthSolo]

soontir, is that the first time you've used an emoticon? I dont recall you using them often, and once you even said you ignored them. Is this a momentus occasion?

[BoHeDia]

i think he doesnt like me...lol...

[Kapit]

OMG, WTF, SOONTIR USED AN EMOTICON!

[BoHeDia]

and its all my doing...lol...style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

[Ripley the Warmaster]

<span style="color:red">I'm still not really enthuised about this trilogy. I'll get it because of it being paperback, but it doesn't get me excited like the Sith era novels or Coruscant Nights.</span>

[BoHeDia]

coruscant nights??? never heard of that one...

[Soontir Solo]

I have, but I forgot the details.

And that was probably the third or fourth time I ever used an emoticon, and I think each time since I joined the Galactic Senate it has always been that same emoticon.

[Soontir Solo]

The Dramatis Personae for The Joiner King:

Alema Rar; Jedi Knight (female Twi'lek)
Ben Skywalker; child (male human)
C-3PO; protocol droid
Cal Omas; Galactic Alliance Chief-of-State (male human)
Cilghal; Jedi Master (female Mon Calamari)
Gorog; mastermind (Killik)
Han Solo; captain, Millennium Falcon (male human)
Jacen Solo; Jedi Knight (male human)
Jae Juun; captain, XR808g (male Sullustan)
Jagged Fel; commander, Chiss task force (male human)
Jaina Solo; Jedi Knight (female human)
Leia Organa Solo; copilot, Millennium Falcon (female human)
Lowbacca; Jedi Knight (male Wookiee)
Luke Skywalker; Jedi Master (male human)
Mara Jade Skywalker; Jedi Master (female human)
R2-D2: astromech droid
Raynar Thul; crash survivor; (male human)
Saba Sebatyne; Jedi Master (female Barabel)
Tahiri Veila; Jedi Knight (female human)
Tarfang; copilot, XR808g (male Ewok)
Tekli; Jedi Knight (female Chadra-fan)
Tenel Ka; Queen Mother (female human)
Tesar Sebatyne; Jedi Knight (male Barabel)
Welk; crash survivor (male human)
Zekk; Jedi Knight (male human)

Or at least so I have heard.

[Jediwan]

Where did you get this info?

[Soontir Solo]

njoe.com

[Tresk Im'nel]

Wow, great find, Soontir.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Tarfang; copilot, XR808g (male Ewok)[/b][/quote]

I really hope that bit's true! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif

[stoyboy720]

Raynar Thul, eh?

[Soontir Solo]

That Ewok pilot kind of worries me, not sure if I will like the thought of an Ewok being a pilot.

Raynar being involved is good though.

[Tresk Im'nel]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>That Ewok pilot kind of worries me, not sure if I will like the thought of an Ewok being a pilot.[/b][/quote]

Well, it's already been done: Kolot. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif I personally like the idea, could be rather funny, and I like Ewoks. I'm sure Denning will do a reasonably good job of coming up with a premise for how he got his training.

[Ripley the Warmaster]

Originally posted by Soontir Solo@Dec 22 2004, 07:36 PM
That Ewok pilot kind of worries me, not sure if I will like the thought of an Ewok being a pilot.
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<span style="color:red">You must have not liked Iron Fist then. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif</span>

[Soontir Solo]

Iron Fist isn't the same as this though. I am pretty sure this is a intelligent Ewok who is a pilot, not being controlled by anybody.

[Ripley the Warmaster]

Originally posted by Soontir Solo@Dec 21 2004, 10:35 PM
The Dramatis Personae for The Joiner King:

Alema Rar; Jedi Knight (female Twi'lek)
Ben Skywalker; child (male human)
C-3PO; protocol droid
Cal Omas; Galactic Alliance Chief-of-State (male human)
Cilghal; Jedi Master (female Mon Calamari)
Gorog; mastermind (Killik)
Han Solo; captain, Millennium Falcon (male human)
Jacen Solo; Jedi Knight (male human)
Jae Juun; captain, XR808g (male Sullustan)
Jagged Fel; commander, Chiss task force (male human)
Jaina Solo; Jedi Knight (female human)
Leia Organa Solo; copilot, Millennium Falcon (female human)
Lowbacca; Jedi Knight (male Wookiee)
Luke Skywalker; Jedi Master (male human)
Mara Jade Skywalker; Jedi Master (female human)
R2-D2: astromech droid
Raynar Thul; crash survivor; (male human)
Saba Sebatyne; Jedi Master (female Barabel)
Tahiri Veila; Jedi Knight (female human)
Tarfang; copilot, XR808g (male Ewok)
Tekli; Jedi Knight (female Chadra-fan)
Tenel Ka; Queen Mother (female human)
Tesar Sebatyne; Jedi Knight (male Barabel)
Welk; crash survivor (male human)
Zekk; Jedi Knight (male human)

Or at least so I have heard.
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<span style="color:red">Sounds likes a dramatis personae for a NJO book. I liked NJO, but I don't want more of the same.</span>

[Soontir Solo]

So what exactly do you want?

[Tresk Im'nel]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Sounds likes a dramatis personae for a NJO book. I liked NJO, but I don't want more of the same.[/b][/quote]

Nah, they probably just got feedback that people like having a dramatis personae. I find it helps. Bear in mind that there were similar lists at the start of the X-wing and Black Fleet Crisis novels. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

[Soontir Solo]

good point

[Ripley the Warmaster]

Originally posted by Soontir Solo@Dec 23 2004, 04:19 PM
So what exactly do you want?
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<span style="color:red">I like the personae, but I don't want a rehash of NJO.</span>

[Clara]

<span style="color:#7000CC">I do hope Kyppy makes it in there somewhere. Not buying it otherwise. </span> style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

[Soontir Solo]

I wouldn't expect it to be like NJO Ripley. I would expect it to be unique in its own way.

[Tresk Im'nel]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>I do hope Kyppy makes it in there somewhere. Not buying it otherwise.[/b][/quote]

Given his importance in the NJO, I would expect at least a cameo somewhere in the trilogy. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

[Suzanne (ex CoS Leia)]

Originally posted by Tresk Im'nel@Dec 26 2004, 08:08 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>I do hope Kyppy makes it in there somewhere. Not buying it otherwise.

Given his importance in the NJO, I would expect at least a cameo somewhere in the trilogy. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif
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[/b][/quote]

I agree - but I wouldn't expect much more than a cameo unless the DP is adjusted - he was in the DP of SbS and only had a peripheral role in that book.

[Soontir Solo]

Not every character can be in the series. It isn't like Kyp needs to be in every major story.

[DarthSolo]

i wouldnt mind seeing some kyp. still lookin forward to this madness though.

[Soontir Solo]

I wouldn't mind seeing Kyp either, just pointing out that it wouldn't be the end of the world if Kyp did not have a role in this novel.

[DarthSolo]

agreed.

[Soontir Solo]

For all we know when Luke goes off into the Unknown Regions he gives Kyp the responsibility of leading the Jedi in his absence.

[Ithorian guy]

THat would be very stupid to leave Kyp in charge of the Jedi order, he has gone on the verge of the dark side many a time, not to mention his recklessness in the NJO.

[Soontir Solo]

The second half of the NJO he was as good, and resonsible a Jedi Master as anyother, and no one can deny he is more powerful than anyother Jedi except Luke. Luke and everyone has had their share of Dark Side influences. Giving Kyp responsibility wouldn't be stupid at all.

[Tresk Im'nel]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>I agree - but I wouldn't expect much more than a cameo unless the DP is adjusted - he was in the DP of SbS and only had a peripheral role in that book.[/b][/quote]

True, but he might be in the second or third book, perhaps.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>The second half of the NJO he was as good, and resonsible a Jedi Master as anyother, and no one can deny he is more powerful than anyother Jedi except Luke. Luke and everyone has had their share of Dark Side influences. Giving Kyp responsibility wouldn't be stupid at all.[/b][/quote]

True, he has come a long way in the latter part of the NJO. There was a time when I wouldn't trust Kyp at all, but now I think he probably could be trusted with that. And you're right about Luke. But bear in mind that with the Jedi Council restored, there wouldn't necessarily be one Jedi left in charge in Luke's absence.

[Soontir Solo]

The Jedi Council isn't exactly restored though. It is more of a Jedi/GFFA council that keeps relations open between the two. And we know Kenth Hamner was given top responsibility of the Jedi while Luke was in the Unknown Regions looking for Zonoma Sekot.

[BoHeDia]

yeah, i hope that they make it back into the only jedi council again...like the olden days...

[DarthSolo]

It would be interesting. I think id like it.

[BoHeDia]

i think most of us would...

[Whuffa]

I wouldn't. Obviously the old Jedi were an archaic, disfunctional order that had gotten so blinded by tradition and routine that they failed to see that they were crumbling. The practice of taking children away from their parents was one of the things that made them disliked in the galaxy as well as their secular eliticism. Their dogmas about forbbiden attachment etc. just made them frustrated and more unstable because it denyed their nature. Every being wants to love and be loved and if this is denyed to them it messes them up. They made themselves ready for destruction, the Sith just had to nudge them along. Also, they were very boring style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue2.gif .
The new Jedi however, are not repeating the same mistakes and I think that's good, not to mention it makes them much more interesting characters to read about. I hope they never adopt the old Jedi ways.

[Clara]

<span style="color:#7000CC">The likelihood of the New Order adopting the old ways is slim, as the data Luke was able to recover of the time is limited. Most likely the New Order will continue to make things up as they go with what they have.</span>

[DarthSolo]

Originally posted by Whuffa@Jan 6 2005, 02:34 AM
I wouldn't. Obviously the old Jedi were an archaic, disfunctional order that had gotten so blinded by tradition and routine that they failed to see that they were crumbling. The practice of taking children away from their parents was one of the things that made them disliked in the galaxy as well as their secular eliticism. Their dogmas about forbbiden attachment etc. just made them frustrated and more unstable because it denyed their nature. Every being wants to love and be loved and if this is denyed to them it messes them up. They made themselves ready for destruction, the Sith just had to nudge them along. Also, they were very boring style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue2.gif .
The new Jedi however, are not repeating the same mistakes and I think that's good, not to mention it makes them much more interesting characters to read about. I hope they never adopt the old Jedi ways.
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Just because they have a council doesnt mean they will start taking away children from their families and being elitists and whatnot. The council would serve as to tell how and when to take action etc.

[BoHeDia]

im just talking aboot them hving their own safe temletype of place and a council, and like a center for operations, like the old temple was,i lilke the new jdi order ways better then the old ones...

[Soontir Solo]

I think your point is interesting Whuffa, but I don't think it is really all that realistic. The Jedi Council of old did prosper for 10,000 years. So obviously they were doing something right. Yes they were brought down, but it wasn't that long after though when a certain someone took down the Sith, under guidance from those same "archaic" Jedi who you talk about.

A Jedi Council would be great. And a real one comprised of only Jedi I might add.

[Whuffa]

That is true, they do need leadership, but I'm just afraid they don't turn into boring monks again. I found myself agreeing with a lot of Assaj and Dooku's statements in Dark Rendezvous. They did have a point, otherwise half the Galaxy wouldn't have listened to them and sperated. Or maybe I'm just succumbing to the dark side.... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/holosid.gif

[Soontir Solo]

I thought Assaj and Dooku's points in Dark Rendevous was interesting. I didn't agree though, and I think Yoda soundly beat Dooku in their little debate about the force. He beat him so bad with that debate that Dooku wanted to go back to the light side for awhile.

I don't think you will have to worry about them becoming boring monks, not with the likes of Kyp Durron, Jaina Solo, Tenal Ka, Saba Sebatyne, and Tahiri out there, all real firebrands in my opinion.

[Ithorian guy]

Originally posted by Whuffa@Jan 21 2005, 02:20 AM
That is true, they do need leadership, but I'm just afraid they don't turn into boring monks again. I found myself agreeing with a lot of Assaj and Dooku's statements in Dark Rendezvous. They did have a point, otherwise half the Galaxy wouldn't have listened to them and sperated. Or maybe I'm just succumbing to the dark side.... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/holosid.gif
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i believe you are.... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/holosid.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/duel.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/trooperz.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/saber.gif

[Whuffa]

No, but think about it... I know it was all part of Sidious' grand plan but the situation he created in the Republic realy was intolerable. I completly understand why the seperatist did what they did. They had no idea that it was all orchestrated. If you take Sidious out of the equation - which he was for most people - the seperatist definetly have the right ideas and morals.

[Soontir Solo]

You think the Seperatists had the right ideas? Do you think Nute Gunray and the other heads of the organizations like the Banking Clan, Commerce Guild, Techno Union, etc. were in it for the moral of it all? They were in it for money. For the hope that the Republic would fall and they would be able to get even richer. Sidious used their greed to manipulate them. Now maybe some individual planets had the right moral feelings about it but I would even say most of them were probably doing it for greedy purposes as well. You didn't see the really good, ethical planets with no corruption side with the COnfederacy did you? Alderran didn't, Caamas didn't, Chandrila didn't, Kashyyk didn't, Naboo didn't, etc.

[Suzanne (ex CoS Leia)]

Over at TOS we've had a teaser about this from Sue Rostoni:
http://forums.starwars.com/thread.jspa?thr...3010&start=9359 (http://forums.starwars.com/thread.jspa?threadID=93010&start=9359)


From the cover copy of THE SWARM WAR:

"As for Luke, he will have to prove, in a lightning display of Force strength and swordsmanship, that he is— beyond a shadow of a doubt—the greatest Jedi Master in the galaxy."


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[Master Shrive]

^Wow! That sounds good! That could be unreal!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>A Jedi Council would be great. And a real one comprised of only Jedi I might add.[/b][/quote]

I'm not so sure I agree with you on this point SS. I think it should be made up of maily Jedi, but I don't see anything wrong with at least the head of the military and the head of the government having seats. That way, the Jedi could also be more informed of workings outside their usual area. It could help to keep open lines of communication.

And after all, if they shared information early, it could start a tradition and stop someone like Sidious manipulating both sides again in another few thousand years, when people have forgotten about the deads of Luke Skywalker and co. The galaxcy does forget about what has happened in the past. According to some EU, this isn't the first time the Jedi have come to the brink of destruction.....

Only my thoughts though.

[Whuffa]

Originally posted by Soontir Solo@Feb 5 2005, 02:44 AM
You think the Seperatists had the right ideas? Do you think Nute Gunray and the other heads of the organizations like the Banking Clan, Commerce Guild, Techno Union, etc. were in it for the moral of it all? They were in it for money. For the hope that the Republic would fall and they would be able to get even richer. Sidious used their greed to manipulate them. Now maybe some individual planets had the right moral feelings about it but I would even say most of them were probably doing it for greedy purposes as well. You didn't see the really good, ethical planets with no corruption side with the COnfederacy did you? Alderran didn't, Caamas didn't, Chandrila didn't, Kashyyk didn't, Naboo didn't, etc.
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Ah, but that's just it, I'm not talking about the leaders who were obviously greedy *******s. I'm talking about the little people and the general ideas behind the secession that convinced those people. The leaders in the Republic weren't so great either (Palpatine, Tarkin, Issard, Pestage...) - they all turned into tyrants when the Empire was created. Also, the Mon Calamari are for example a good ethical people and they sided with the confederacy. And as for Alderaan, Caamas and Kashyyk... Well, I'm sure they weren't so glad about siding with the Republic when it turned into the EMpire and destroyed or enslaved them...

[DarthSolo]

Originally posted by Suzanne (ex CoS Leia)@Feb 4 2005, 09:56 PM
Over at TOS we've had a teaser about this from Sue Rostoni:
http://forums.starwars.com/thread.jspa?thr...3010&start=9359 (http://forums.starwars.com/thread.jspa?threadID=93010&start=9359)


From the cover copy of THE SWARM WAR:

"As for Luke, he will have to prove, in a lightning display of Force strength and swordsmanship, that he is— beyond a shadow of a doubt—the greatest Jedi Master in the galaxy."


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wow, rock and/or roll

[Master Shrive]

Doesn't it just sound unreal!? I just hope its written really well.

[Suzanne (ex CoS Leia)]

Given that it's by Troy Denning who did a magnificent job with both Tatooine Ghost and Star by Star I doubt that there'll be any problem with the writing. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[DarthSolo]

seriously, Denning has really impressed me in the star wars galaxy.

[Soontir Solo]

Yeah, Star by Star was the best NJO book up to that point. He really knows how to write battle and action scenes well.

[Master Shrive]

^I don't think I've read Star by Star, but Tatooine Ghost was definatly good.

[Soontir Solo]

Star by Star.......you need to read it. It is the third best NJO book in my opinion (behind Traitor and TUF).

[Suzanne (ex CoS Leia)]

The manuscript for the Unseen Queen is now with the editor and is 414 pages long ... and Luke is in it (big surprise! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif)

http://forums.starwars.com/thread.jspa?thr...3010&start=9439 (http://forums.starwars.com/thread.jspa?threadID=93010&start=9439)

[Soontir Solo]

Well it will be a good long length at least.

[Suzanne (ex CoS Leia)]

Originally posted by Soontir Solo@Feb 11 2005, 05:36 PM
Well it will be a good long length at least.
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I'm not sure how this translates into the printed page - that's the manuscript pages.

It's shorter than The Joiner King which came in at 670 pages in 12 pt courier. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif
http://forums.starwars.com/thread.jspa?thr...4510&start=1099 (http://forums.starwars.com/thread.jspa?threadID=124510&start=1099)

[DarthSolo]

good stuff suzane! keep us posted!

[Master Shrive]

^Yeah, good information.

I like a long book. When you finish it, it feels like you've achieved something but I also find myself feeling a bit empty. Then I pick up a new book and off I go again.

[Soontir Solo]

I really like long books as well. I loved Star by Star in NJO because it was so long.

[Dave]

Ok, I would like to throw some things out there. I know I'm the new kid on the block in this forum. But I'm a lifelong SW geek. For those of you who read all the books, and play the games too. If you've played KOTOR and KOTOR 2, you know alot is mentioned about the Sith, not those who have followed the Sith teachings, but little snipits about the Sith themselves...

** Dont read beyond here if you havent and want to play either Knights of the Old Republic 1 or 2 **



1) The Sith were force sensitive..
2) They were insectoid/reptiloid combination. (This is mentioned in KOTOR 1 and 2, and elsewhere. But those places are excaping me at the moment)
3) Meeting the Sith had dire consiqences for the Jedi. Malek, Revan, and many other Jedi who encountered the true Sith were corrupted and never fully recovered. They were either severed from the force, or returned a perverted version of what they were before they left...

Maybe we'll finally get to see the return of the true Sith. Nothing has ever been said that they died out. I know they weren't dead during KOTOR 1 thru 3 timeline. (Rumor has it that KOTOR 3 will have to do with the true Sith, and the unknown regions.)

Take that and run with it however you will. I think if the Sith returned, that they're power would be even more dangerous then the vong.

[DarthSolo]

you are implying that the enemy in the DN trilogy will be these insectoid like Sith beings, right? cause at first i was going to tell you u were in the wrong thread. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

but actually, that is a really interesting thought! very interesting indeed. i would think, if the Sith were to return, they would dedicate more than a trilogy to it, but maybe it will be in the 9 booker too.....

[Soontir Solo]

I don't think we should expect the return of the Sith. After all Palpatine and Vader were the last Sith. I think Dark Jedi involved in the novel are a given though. We know Welk (Dark Jedi Apprentice of Lomi) is in DN so I am thinking more about Dark Jedi leading some unknown species that exists in the Unknown Regions.

[Master Shrive]

I don't mind where Dave is coming from. He's saying that the Sith species, not the Sith ideal, could return. Thats not such a bad idea. I'm not saying it'll hapen, but it is something different.

Also, it could fit into the thing about Luke having to prove his powers as a Jedi because he could be the first Jedi to face them and return stronger and not weaker. I do agree though it would probably use 9 books, not 3.

[Suzanne (ex CoS Leia)]

We've had another "teaser" from Sue Rostoni:
http://forums.starwars.com/thread.jspa?thr...4510&start=1815 (http://forums.starwars.com/thread.jspa?threadID=124510&start=1815)

I just came across this line in THE UNSEEN QUEEN and have to share...

"Saba had once confided that whenever she sensed someone's presence while she was sleeping, she often awoke with a terrible urge to hunt them down."

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And we have the cover :
http://www.starwars.com/eu/lit/novel/news20050215.html

[Soontir Solo]

Thanks alot Suzanne. The cover looks pretty good. Those aliens look pretty cool. Han looks really old, he would have to be around 60 or so in this novel.

[Master Shrive]

^Yeah, well done Suzanne.

Going on from SS mentioning Hans age, I think one of the most emotional things that can still be written in the EU would be the deaths of Leia, Luke and Han. For the timeline to continue outwards, these characters will have to be given death scenes..... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif

[Sam Kenobi]

Yes. Agreed. Honestly, I've said it before plenty of times, and I hope I'm wrong, but I don't think this can be that good. It looks like their trying to rehash the NJO, the only difference being the more central role of the Chiss and the Unknown Regions. IMO, at least.

[Soontir Solo]

It don't think they are trying to rehash the NJO. First off the NJO was on a galactic scale and dealt with the Yuuzghan Vong. The Dark Nest Trilogy I think is going more towards the Jedi coming up against an enemy with force talents instead. An enemy that doesn't have thousands of ships or millions of warriors but relies on the force and deceit. It may seem alot like the NJO because it deals with the same characters, focusing on the young Jedi from what it looks like, but is that so bad? I don't think so.

Shrive.........I don't know if we will ever see the deaths of the main characters. I mean with Luke, Mara, and Leia being Jedi they could probably live till over a 100, which would mean they have only lived half of their lives so far. With Han we might I guess but even him being probably about 60 he still probably has at least 20 more years left, if not more.

[Kapit]

the OS updates....

http://www.starwars.com/eu/lit/novel/news20050215.html

[Sam Kenobi]

Same link that Suz posted . . .

[Kapit]

so i wasn't paying attention.....

[Soontir Solo]

Are you ever Kaputski?

[Kapit]

usually when it's NOT 3 am

[Jediwan]

LOL. No wonder why you can't pay attention Kaput.

[Kapit]

what's going on now?

[Jediwan]

Not much. Guess I'm kinda cotradicting myself. Hehehe

[DarthSolo]

hmm, what do you guys think about the cover?

the plot sounds really interesting. im thinking this leader of the colony is Raynur Thul and he might be bringing jaina and jacen to his side???

[Soontir Solo]

Maybe, I get the feeling the leader is someone entirely new though, with Raynar part of it. I don't think Jacen and Jaina will be brought over into it.

I think the cover is ok. I wish more of the main characters were shown but those aliens look awesome. Han looks so freaking old too.

[Anguirus111]

I thought the Kiliks were dead!

[Suzanne (ex CoS Leia)]

Originally posted by Anguirus111@Feb 17 2005, 02:51 PM
I thought the Kiliks were dead!
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So did the Alderaanians ... but apparently there were some hidden away in the Unknown Regions. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

[Kapit]

they must want their painting back

[Soontir Solo]

Whole species rarely go extinct in the Star Wars galaxy. The only one I know of so far is the Yevetha.

[Ripley the Warmaster]

<span style="color:blue">Cover art looked lame. I'm half expecting for this novel to be like some 50s b-movie with huge bugs attacking our jedi friends. I just wonder if this will be a stand-up fight or another bug hunt.</span>

[Soontir Solo]

Your always so positive Ripley.

[Suzanne (ex CoS Leia)]

Originally posted by Ripley the Warmaster@Feb 17 2005, 04:08 PM
<span style="color:blue">Cover art looked lame. I'm half expecting for this novel to be like some 50s b-movie with huge bugs attacking our jedi friends. I just wonder if this will be a stand-up fight or another bug hunt.</span>
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Ripley - that's what they're meant to be like: just sit back and enjoy the ride. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

[empire21]

why can't they make a stand alone novels, I hate the time between trilogy based novels

[Luminara Skye]

I won't get mine till Nov/Dec when the last book comes out. That's when Sci-fi Book Club will put out the hard back volume with all three books. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/crazy.gif That's the painful part for me! If only they would put them all out at once! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

[empire21]

i'll being doing the same thing, which in a way is a lot worse then waiting in between

[Soontir Solo]

I like trilogies, the stories are better and the time between books, while agonizing, makes the next book that much more enjoyable because you want to read it so much.

[empire21]

style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif wish I could feel that way

[Ripley the Warmaster]

Originally posted by Suzanne (ex CoS Leia)+Feb 17 2005, 12:50 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Suzanne (ex CoS Leia) @ Feb 17 2005, 12:50 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-Ripley the Warmaster@Feb 17 2005, 04:08 PM
<span style="color:blue">Cover art looked lame. I'm half expecting for this novel to be like some 50s b-movie with huge bugs attacking our jedi friends. I just wonder if this will be a stand-up fight or another bug hunt.</span>
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Ripley - that's what they're meant to be like: just sit back and enjoy the ride. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif
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[/b][/quote]
<span style="color:blue">Negatory. Star Wars is a space opera like Flash Gordon, not The Deadly Mantis (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0050294/)</span>

[Luminara Skye]

Originally posted by empire217@Feb 17 2005, 03:26 PM
i'll being doing the same thing, which in a way is a lot worse then waiting in between
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I agree with you there! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/crazy.gif

[empire21]

didn't know they all are coming out in pback, this changes everything, thats only a couple months in between. I can handle that

[Soontir Solo]

Yeah, it won't be like NJO where between some books there was really long periods of time.

[empire21]

yeah but NJO also added hardcovers once in awhile which really sucked, so if you couldn't afford a hardcover the wait was even longer

[empire21]

with no Hardcovers for the dark nest trilogy I will enjoy it more since we don't have to wait long in between

[TuskenRaider1]

Plus, without hardcovers, they usually come out closer together, and are quicker easier commuter reads. Sorry I take the bus, and need the smaller books. The HCs I save for home. Cover art looks ok, though Im surprised that Han has such a big part of it. I would have thought Jaina/Jag or Jacen or even just the bugs and a glow of a lightsaber or something. Does this mean Leia and Luke will have a prominant role on the other covers. Sorry if this has been covered all ready....

[Whuffa]

I'm really excited about this trilogy. Yes I know the bugs may seem a bit corny, but after the NJO and the Clone Wars, which were both very dark and depressing I'm looking forward to some good old fashioned star wars pulp!

[Soontir Solo]

I don't know TuskenRaider. The other covers are up in the air.

[empire21]

wraith 11 flying through

[Suzanne (ex CoS Leia)]

Originally posted by empire217@Feb 19 2005, 12:52 PM
wraith 11 flying through
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Wraith 11, I think that the powers that be here would prefer that any "flying through" outside the Hangar Bay include comments about the particular thread that is being flown through. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

Wraith 9 flying out...


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[empire21]

Understood.

[TuskenRaider1]

True the other covers havent been confirmed. Im just wondering if they put Han on the cover to get some sales, or new folks, they probably might do the same for hte others. Of course, could be Han has a bigger role in this one. Looks like perhaps the non-Jedi may be able to see things the Jedi are missing cuz they are too caught up in the debate....

[Tresk Im'nel]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>I'm really excited about this trilogy. Yes I know the bugs may seem a bit corny, but after the NJO and the Clone Wars, which were both very dark and depressing I'm looking forward to some good old fashioned star wars pulp![/b][/quote]

I know exactly what you mean. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif NJO and the Clone Wars were great, but after ROTS I'll be game for something a bit lighter (but still good, hopefully). style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

[bluemilk]

Originally posted by Tresk Im'nel@Feb 19 2005, 08:41 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>I'm really excited about this trilogy. Yes I know the bugs may seem a bit corny, but after the NJO and the Clone Wars, which were both very dark and depressing I'm looking forward to some good old fashioned star wars pulp!

I know exactly what you mean. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif NJO and the Clone Wars were great, but after ROTS I'll be game for something a bit lighter (but still good, hopefully). style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif
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[/b][/quote]

me three! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/joystick.gif

[Master Shrive]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>True the other covers havent been confirmed. Im just wondering if they put Han on the cover to get some sales, or new folks, they probably might do the same for hte others. Of course, could be Han has a bigger role in this one. Looks like perhaps the non-Jedi may be able to see things the Jedi are missing cuz they are too caught up in the debate.... [/b][/quote]

I like this thought that the Jedi might not be able to see the bigger picture. I wonder whether it could cause conflict between the group, with the Jedi not wanting to believe they're having trouble. While Luke might be open to suggestion, some others probably wouldn't be.

[Suzanne (ex CoS Leia)]

Originally posted by Tresk Im'nel@Feb 20 2005, 01:41 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>I'm really excited about this trilogy. Yes I know the bugs may seem a bit corny, but after the NJO and the Clone Wars, which were both very dark and depressing I'm looking forward to some good old fashioned star wars pulp!

I know exactly what you mean. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif NJO and the Clone Wars were great, but after ROTS I'll be game for something a bit lighter (but still good, hopefully). style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif
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[/b][/quote]

Well, remember we're getting a baby ... how much more cheerful can we get than that?

Although we are getting two elsewhere, so maybe that's not such a good thing after all. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

[Whuffa]

Who's getting a baby????
Jaina? Mara?
Wait, I actualy don't want to know, don't spoil it for me!

But a baby????? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/notify.gif

[Suzanne (ex CoS Leia)]

Originally posted by Whuffa@Feb 20 2005, 10:57 PM
Who's getting a baby????
Jaina? Mara?
Wait, I actualy don't want to know, don't spoil it for me!

But a baby????? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/notify.gif
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I wish I had the knowledge to be able to spoil it for you. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

All we know is that by the end of the trilogy someone familiar will have had a baby...

[Tresk Im'nel]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>All we know is that by the end of the trilogy someone familiar will have had a baby...[/b][/quote]

Whoa, I've missed a serious spoiler somewhere... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ohmy.gif

Wait! Wait! I know, it's Winter, isn't it? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif Leia Celchu finally makes it into the Official Continuity? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

[Suzanne (ex CoS Leia)]

Originally posted by Tresk Im'nel@Feb 20 2005, 11:16 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>All we know is that by the end of the trilogy someone familiar will have had a baby...

Whoa, I've missed a serious spoiler somewhere... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ohmy.gif

Wait! Wait! I know, it's Winter, isn't it? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif Leia Celchu finally makes it into the Official Continuity? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif
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[/b][/quote]

LOL!!!

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(I really like that emoticon ;p)

[Tresk Im'nel]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>LOL!!![/b][/quote]

Hope springs eternal... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>(I really like that emoticon ;p)[/b][/quote]

Same here. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

[TuskenRaider1]

Yeah the new kiddo should lighten the book, but there is no info on who the kid is for....of course in the old prophecy that was told to Luke, oh by the old jedi woman, forgot her name, she talked of the children of skywalker, not child. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif who know....should be nice...if its true they are bringing back some lost NJO folks, it should be interesting....maybe this is what adds to the confusion to the jedi writ large. A moral conundrum as opposed to a physical threat as the main problem. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/scratchchin.gif

[Sam Kenobi]

A new baby, OH BOY! But I gotta stay outa here, know.

[Kapit]

oh boy, baby, woo




style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

you heard it here first, it's going to be jaina, completely screws things up for her

[Ripley the Warmaster]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Well, remember we're getting a baby ... how much more cheerful can we get than that?

Although we are getting two elsewhere, so maybe that's not such a good thing after all. [/b][/quote]
<span style="color:blue">Have Jaina's baby be a crossbreed with the bugs so we can have something like the Fly!</span>

[Kapit]

Originally posted by Ripley the Warmaster@Feb 20 2005, 05:15 PM
<span style="color:blue">Have Jaina's baby be a crossbreed with the bugs so we can have something like the Fly!</span>
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HAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAH! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rofl.gif

[Soontir Solo]

It is really going to be Jaina's and Jag's?

[Suzanne (ex CoS Leia)]

Originally posted by Soontir Solo@Feb 21 2005, 12:23 PM
It is really going to be Jaina's and Jag's?
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The people at LFL aren't telling...

[Soontir Solo]

Ok well the logical possiblities would be either.

a. Jaina and Jag or
b. Luke and Mara

Besides that anyother child wouldn't really be a major child in the overall scope of things.

[Suzanne (ex CoS Leia)]

Originally posted by Soontir Solo@Feb 21 2005, 12:38 PM
Ok well the logical possiblities would be either.

a. Jaina and Jag or
b. Luke and Mara

Besides that anyother child wouldn't really be a major child in the overall scope of things.
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If Luke and Mara are an option, then Han and Leia are also an option (even if unlikely).

[Tresk Im'nel]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>If Luke and Mara are an option, then Han and Leia are also an option (even if unlikely)[/b][/quote]

Don't forget:

Lando and Tendra
Corran and Mirax
Wedge and Iella
Tycho and Winter
Kam and Tionne

...Talon and Shada????

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[Suzanne (ex CoS Leia)]

I'd been tossing up whether or not to mention all of them - but decided against it.

For various reasons I don't think they'd make a big deal about any of them having a baby (yes, even Tycho and Winter style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif).

But you never know...

[Tresk Im'nel]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>I'd been tossing up whether or not to mention all of them - but decided against it.[/b][/quote]
You were probably right not to. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>For various reasons I don't think they'd make a big deal about any of them having a baby (yes, even Tycho and Winter ).[/b][/quote]
I know, especially Tycho and Winter. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>But you never know...[/b][/quote]
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I'd actually hope it might be Lando and Tendra, although they are perhaps a bit old for it, but still...

[Sam Kenobi]

That never stops anyone.

[Soontir Solo]

Han will be like 60 in Dark Nest. They both already have 2 grown up children. I think we can safely rule them out. Lando and Tendra are pretty old already as well. Kam and Tionne aren't major characters enough for it to matter. Corran and Mirax already have 2 kids I don't see why another would be important at all, same goes with Wedge and Iella.

And Talon will probably be in his 70's in Dark Nest now and I don't think him and Shada ever truely got together.

[TuskenRaider1]

Id agree, though Id probably put my money on Luke and Mara. Maybe thats why shes not in the cover/book summary that was released, unless Im forgetting her. Plus, I still go back to that Children (not child) of skywalker prophecy.....

I just dont think Jaina/Jag will be together at this point, though it may happen by the end. Heh, maybe Jacen adn Tenal Ka....naw....but a fun thought....

Luke/Mara at 2:1 odds....Lomin ale on me if Im wrong... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/beer.gif

[Soontir Solo]

Well i think Jacen and Tenal Ka is almost a definite no. I think they should get together but I think by the end of the series it was obvious that Jacen and Danni were the ones who probably had a future together.

[DarthSolo]

i think Jacen might end up being a bachelor for life.

[Kapit]

Originally posted by DarthSolo@Feb 21 2005, 02:21 PM
i think Jacen might end up being a bachelor for life.
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no, that'd be me style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif


seriously though, considering his big changeover in the NJO, he probably will be

[Soontir Solo]

I don't know. I think eventually he will marry someone. He wants to be happy just like anyone else.

[Kapit]

^he'll pull a luke and wait till he's 40

[Soontir Solo]

Yeah, that is basically what I am thinking as well.

[Sam Kenobi]

Tenel Ka . . .

[Suzanne (ex CoS Leia)]

Urgh - please no. She's so annoying. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

Besides which how could he marry a Queen in a matriarchy where men are particularly subservient?

[Sam Kenobi]

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[TuskenRaider1]

I Dunno, the queen can marry who she wants, and Jacen isnt the most assertive Jedi ever. Tenal Ka would make him her be-atch. But honestly, it could go either way with him...Danni or Tenel or someone else.

Still think the kid is Luke and Maras....

Either way, Book 1 is in less than a month, and we will have a better idea. I like the Idea of bringing Lomi adn Rayner back though, just reread Star by Star and could deal with them again....not bad...

[Whuffa]

Originally posted by TuskenRaider1@Feb 23 2005, 01:41 AM
I Dunno, the queen can marry who she wants, and Jacen isnt the most assertive Jedi ever. Tenal Ka would make him her be-atch. <div align="right">Quoted post</div>



LOL! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif That's true! She would order him around and he would be too busy contemplating the hidden meaning of his left foot to notice.

[Soontir Solo]

Lomi isn't on the Dramatis Personae for the first book, Welk is though.

And it wouldn't surprise me if sometime in the future Tenal Ka makes the Hapes Cluster a Republic and gets rid of the monarchy entirely. I think it can be safely said she would rather be off having adventures as a Jedi Knight instead of on Hapes being a Queen. She always was the warrior type, more so than even Jaina.

[Suzanne (ex CoS Leia)]

Originally posted by TuskenRaider1@Feb 23 2005, 05:41 AM
Either way, Book 1 is in less than a month, and we will have a better idea. I like the Idea of bringing Lomi adn Rayner back though, just reread Star by Star and could deal with them again....not bad...
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Actually, Book 1 isn't for another 5 months. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif

[Soontir Solo]

I was going to point that out too but I decided to ignore it.

[Master Shrive]

So we acctually still have awhile to wait then....

[Soontir Solo]

Yeah, too long.

[Master Shrive]

Well, unlike your good self, I've still got a lot of EU to read, so I guess timing isn't as important to me.

[Soontir Solo]

The only EU out that I really haven't read and want to is Jedi Trial. That is pretty much it.

[Master Shrive]

Thats about what I thought - considering the knowledge you have! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

[Soontir Solo]

I actually want to read Cestus Deception again because I don't remember it all that well anymore.

[TuskenRaider1]

Realized my mistake...misread info on it. Sorry!

Im in the process of rereading the CW novels before the movie come out, but I think I need a Planet and Children and Darksaber refresher (though I dont want to, didnt like the novels) but want to be on task when Soontir tries to fry my butt in the sims on the Practice range....

[Soontir Solo]

You would be better of reading the Clone Wars novels before the other ones because those are the most likely to come up on the Practice Range, since they are the newest books.

[Suzanne (ex CoS Leia)]

Originally posted by TuskenRaider1@Feb 24 2005, 01:19 AM
Realized my mistake...misread info on it. Sorry!

Im in the process of rereading the CW novels before the movie come out, but I think I need a Planet and Children and Darksaber refresher (though I dont want to, didnt like the novels) but want to be on task when Soontir tries to fry my butt in the sims on the Practice range....
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No need to be sorry - I just thought I'd better break the bad news before you went searching for it 4 months early. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

I don't think anything could make me re-read those three books again (I've read them both twice to make sure thay really were as bad as I remembered style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif).

Much better to re-read Tatooine Ghost - it might provide some clues for this trilogy.style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif

[Soontir Solo]

I read Planet of Twilight and Children of the Jedi once and that was one too many times.

[Luvinna]

Originally posted by Soontir Solo@Feb 23 2005, 04:27 PM
I read Planet of Twilight and Children of the Jedi once and that was one too many times.
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[Luvinna]

Originally posted by Suzanne (ex CoS Leia)+Feb 22 2005, 03:27 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Suzanne (ex CoS Leia) @ Feb 22 2005, 03:27 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-TuskenRaider1@Feb 23 2005, 05:41 AM
Either way, Book 1 is in less than a month, and we will have a better idea.* I like the Idea of bringing Lomi adn Rayner back though, just reread Star by Star and could deal with them again....not bad...
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Actually, Book 1 isn't for another 5 months. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif
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Dark Nest 1: The Joiner King is scheduled for release on July 26th. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif
(according to Amazon.com)

And The Unseen Queen (DN2) on September 27th.

[Soontir Solo]

I think "The Unseen Queen" my be refering to Lomi, since we know she isn't in the Joiner King but her apprentice is.

[Master Shrive]

You guys are doing well at finding out info. Keep up the good work.

[TuskenRaider1]

Wait I missed it, did we actually confirm that Welk was the joiner king? It wasnt Rayner?

[Suzanne (ex CoS Leia)]

Not confirmed - some poster's speculation only. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[Soontir Solo]

I read the Dramatis Persone of the book and Raynar and Welk were both on there.

[Suzanne (ex CoS Leia)]

Indeed - it doesn't mean that either of them are the titleholder though. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

[Sam Kenobi]

Originally posted by TuskenRaider1@Feb 22 2005, 11:41 AM
I Dunno, the queen can marry who she wants, and Jacen isnt the most assertive Jedi ever. Tenal Ka would make him her be-atch. But honestly, it could go either way with him...Danni or Tenel or someone else.
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It wouldn't be someone else. That wouldn't work. And besides, if someone is having a baby, then they're probably already together.

Originally posted by TuskenRaider1@Feb 24 2005, 06:45 AM
Wait I missed it, did we actually confirm that Welk was the joiner king? It wasnt Rayner?
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Where is all this information coming from? I missed a lot. Maybe I should go back and read the whole topic . . . style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/scratchchin.gif

[TuskenRaider1]

Someone made the good point of Rayner could "join" the Killiks, the Jedi, the Chiss and others into the conflict. I dunno. Personally, I think Rayner with an evil streak (from under Lomi's tutelage) would be a fun twist, since he has some fans in the YJK series....

[Soontir Solo]

I actually am expecting Raynar to be a Dark Jedi or something like that in this trilogy. I mean with 7 years under the control of Lomi who knows what she has done to him. and remember she has had him since the middle of NJO so it would be about 7 years.

[TuskenRaider1]

True and you know Eryl's death is gonna be eating at him during that time..

[Soontir Solo]

I think the fact that his friends never went to look for him will be eating at him even more.

[TuskenRaider1]

YEah, and then you get the whole "well we thought we felt you die" lines and what not,. Eh, should be interesting. Id like to see him get some smackdown, could be fun. But if he convinces the others to join him, then han and the non-jedi (whoever they are, Talon or Lando or whoever) can be the ones who see what is really going on. We talked about this abit earlier though I think....

[Soontir Solo]

I don't know. I don't see Jacen and the others being easily swayed to "join" him. With all they have experienced I think if anything they will be out there fighting against the invaders, and if Raynar is one of them then so be it.

[TuskenRaider1]

Unless there is some guilt about a) not finding him or b) not seeing hes gone dark. If he comes across as still Rayner, they may join up. Not know about Lomi til later on or something. Its possible taht she stays behind the scenes til folks are onboard with whatever is cooking.

[Suzanne (ex CoS Leia)]

Sue Rostoni has given more information about the timing of these books over at TOS forums:

I have a timetable for the novels now.

Joiner King spans about 2 to 3 months in time, then a year passes and Unseen Queen starts up, spanning about another 2 to 3 months. Then only a couple weeks pass before Swarm War begins, and it lasts close to 6 months.

I'm getting the page proofs for Joiner King tomorrow, so will have an accurate page count, that I'll post sometime this week.

It's from this page here:
http://forums.starwars.com/thread.jspa?thr...4510&start=2595

[jfreadjr]

i cant wait till the new series comes out.

[Ithorian guy]

i think that the Killiks will have a lot do do with this series

[TuskenRaider1]

I think that they say that in the first look do they not?

[Ithorian guy]

Originally posted by TuskenRaider1@Mar 25 2005, 11:02 AM
I think that they say that in the first look do they not?
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sry, havent been following the speculation that much, just what i thought up in my own independent speculation.

[Soontir Solo]

Dang, I didn't think there would be a year between book 1 and 2.

[TuskenRaider1]

YEah, the timeline kinda changes up what kinda story itll be.

[Soontir Solo]

I personally wish there wasn't a year between the 1st and 2nd book. I wish it was all pretty much continuous like the Thrawn Trilogy was.

[Luminara Skye]

I'm sure it will flow nicely. I hope! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif

[Suzanne (ex CoS Leia)]

I'm sure that there will be a good reason for the passage of time - I can't wait to see what it is.

Less than 4 months to go!