Knightfall - the story

[JediBendu]

I'm pretty sure GL is re-writing the script now saying 'bugger, someone's already used my ideas'! :p
Nick's really got all the elements down in a perfectable acceptable and logical sequence of occurances. But the best line in the whole story is Yoda's comment to Obi 'Arrogant, over confident, lack of vision' regarding the demise of the Jedi. To me this is another message GL is saying with the prequels, secondary to Anakin's demise.
I also found it touching Jar Jar's role at the end.

[Jedi Master Gandalf]

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So, Bendu, you finally got a chance to read it?

Yeah, I agree, it was a real touching moment when Jar Jar watched Obi-Wan leave for the last time. I think Nick did a spectacular job, and he included all of the things that we knew were going to occur, and we WANTED to occur.

And see, wasn't Padme's death really sad the way it was? But I found one minor flaw; no Boba Fett and no big battle.

[Obidobi]

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Yeah Boba wasn`t there, but I didn`t recall that until after I was finished reading.
Then I realized I didn`t even miss him because I thought the story was very good anyway.

Padme`death was very sad.I don`t think it would be sader if was killed of by Vader or anyone else.

What about Jarjar seeing Palpy as Sidious? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wacko.gif

[Jedi Master Gandalf]

Yeah, that's right. I didn't notice Fett was excluded, because the story was so intriguing and interesting.

You're right. Padme's death could not be any sadder than that. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/huh.gif

That was ironic about Jar Jar seeing Palpatine as a Sith.

[miyah]

I personally think that would be an awesome title for EP3, but GL probably won't do it. He'll go for a more serial style title like AOTC.


Hey, where can I find this "Knightfall" story?

[JediBendu]

jedinet.com/prequels/ep iii
it's part of the header menu not in the text itself.

ya
who cares about boba!

what really got me was the heavy tragedy involved in this story. I really didn't want to turn the page but was forcing myself to do so. If this is the reaction now, to piece of fan fiction (Nick it was fan-f*cking-tastic), then how am I going to sit through the real ep3 in 3 years time.
nightmare.

I agree, there probably wasn't enough space battle, but the Tarkin attack on Dooku (stupidly defenceless) forces had my imagination pumping - reminiscent of some of Thrawn's attacks in Heir to the Empire.

[Jedi Master Gandalf]

Knightfall is at Jedinet.com

Go to "Episode III" and you'll find it there

[Brian]

Wasn't there a big battle in the Jedi Temple when the clones took over the temple? The Jedi were giving it all they had to defeat the clones.

Also, the battle between Dooku, Mace, Yoda, and Padme.

Also, the battle between Obi-Wan and Ana...*cough*...Darth Vader.

These were all awesome and should play out quite well in the film version (should GL have some of the same ideas).

[Jedi Master Gandalf]

Yeah,
I like how Yoda fought against Dooku. We saw that Dooku's strength has increased since AOTC. I like the way he almost defeated Yoda, and all of a sudden, Yoda came back with unbelievable power.

And part of Padme's sadness was seeing the Jedi go off to their deaths and never seeing them again. She thought Yoda and Obi-Wan had died, and Mace Windu was supposed to be her protecter and he left once, and never came back. It was a very sad moment when they found her dead in her sleep.

[Justin]

Hate to burst your bubbles but this guy ripped off the title from a major Batman story. Of course he's going to deny it, though.

[Obidobi]

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But no big space battle. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/butbut.gif

[Jedi Master Gandalf]

I think Nick made his story more dramatic and personal. That's what so interesting about it.

[JediBendu]

speaking of personal
How great would it be to have a girlfriend who actually FORCES you to write about Star Wars.
man - kinda doesn't really happen in the real world huh?

I like the Yoda realisation that Dagobah is his destiny, and the fact that he loves it there!

[Jedi Master Gandalf]

Well, I don't think his girlfriend forced him to write it. She just inspired him to write it.

Yeah, I like how he doesn't fight his destiny. He just accepts it. And I love the line Owen lays, when Obi-Wan asks if he can speak to Cliegg. "That depends, can Jedi speak to the dead? If so, let me take around the back and we'll visit his tombstone together."

[Jedi Master Gandalf]

Right now its really hard to keep a thread on top, so lets all try hard to keep talking HERE and keep the topic fresh so we stay on top. I'm just tired of seeing one thread on top, and the next second, its on the bottom.

[Jedi Master Gandalf]

Oh yeah, I've begun my own Ep3 script.

[Obidobi]

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Good luck Gandalf.
Let us know when u are finished, so we can read it! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

[Jedi Master Gandalf]

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You bet. And yes--it is hard!

[Darth Fred]

I liked the story very much, enough to try and write an Ep 3 story of my own. *My only nitpick is his ending of the Clone Wars by a negotiated settlement. *But otherwise very well done! Could it be made into a movie? Sure, just needs to be slimmed down a bit.


Darth Fred

[JediBendu]

Go hard Gandalf!!

buggered if I can write like that though :crazy:

I'll be keeping a copy of Knightfall just to see if GL pinches Nick's ideas ;)

and the Batman version had KNIGHTFALL in capitals

[Justin]

Uh, "Knightfall" wasn't always written in capital letters, and why would that make any difference? It's still a rip off.

And why are you people writing your own script versions of Episode III? How ridiculous. Once the movie comes out, your scripts will be worthless because no one will care what your speculations were, and most of them will be totally off the mark. You'll look stupid for getting it wrong.

I don't mean to be rude, but I think writing your own Episode III script is offensive, and an insult to George Lucas's vision. Who are you to say you know how it should be? I bet you anything, if Lucasfilm knew you were doing this, they'd take legal action against you. And I think they would be right to.

Speculating among your friends about what might happen is one thing, saying you know how it should be and your way is the right way is a whole other story.

And don't say you don't think your way is the way it should be; if you didn't think that you wouldn't write a script about it.

Star Wars belongs to George Lucas. Don't swim in his pool unless he asks you too.

[Joey]

I liked some of Knightfall, but I have to agree somewhat with Justin. This is someone elses story, regardless of the fact, you may not like some things about it. Why don't you write your own story from scratch, using your own imagination. Make up your own story without using someone elses characters etc. Anyway, that's my two cents.

[Jedi Master Gandalf]

Listen, Justin
Slow down and take a breath. Maybe you should investigate before you say something stupid like that. No one here is saying what "should" be in Ep3. As for them being worthless, I disagree. Its a fun little exercise and lets you see what it takes to actually write a SW film.

"Star Wars belongs to George Lucas. Don't swim in his pool unless he asks you too."

What the hell are you talking about? Of course it belongs to him, but we're not publishing our scripts or protesting until he goes by them. You need to get your facts straight, or else you just come off looking like a serious jackass.

[Brian]

Joey, Justin (oh, 'N Sync in the house), you guys are spoiling the fun in here. *People are writing their versions of EP III script just for fun. *It's summer time and people don't have a lot to do. *Lighten up. *Geez. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sly.gif

Good luck Gandalf. I am looking forward to read your "speculation" on EP III.

[Jedi Master Gandalf]

THANK YOU, O-B-GATES!!

Seriously, you two guys are being so uptight about this. What's wrong with you?

[JediBendu]

ya
Justin - where's your head man?
this is the Ep3 FAN SPECULATION board

[Obidobi]

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Yeah This is not the Empire. We live in a relativly free world
That`s why we can speculate, write scripts and say who is hottest in the star wars galaxy without asking the Emperor(Lucas). style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

[YODAgreatest]

Anyone who wants to write their own version of EPIII should go for it! I wish I had the time and the talent for something like that. Just give us a link or some way to read it. Don't worry about stepping on GL's toes, I'm sure he's flattered by all of this fandom.

[Jedi Master Gandalf]

Exactly! :happy:

[Joey]

I said I liked the story, but what Justin said just had a ring of truth to it. I mean the people who are writing the stories are talented. Maybe they could write their own story thats all I'm saying.

[Darth Fred]

Justin is correct in that, ultimately, this will be GL's story. *Will fan scripts become obsolete after Ep 3 is revealed? *Of course, just as lots of fan fiction has been overtaken by official events. But that's not the point.

One nice thing about coming up with a complete story is that you come up with answers (at least for yourself) to all the possible questions about the movie that a board like this will be debating for the next couple of years. *I mean, people can come up with ideas and theories about whether Padme dies, or how Anakin falls, but whatever answer you come up with leads to new questions, which ultimately can only be answered by coming up with a vision for the entire story. *Even if it will not be anything like what the eventual movie will be, it's fun to at least begin to go through the creative process. *Like I said, writing an Ep 3 story is in essence a scaled-up version of posting in a thread about "Is Dooku on the dark side or not?"

If you were writing for a living, then yes, making your own stories is essential. *But hey, we're all fans here, right? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

Darth Fred

[JediBendu]

I'm reading yours tonight :cool:

ya
The whole thread's gone off the meaning of my original post - fan work is great, whether it's lit, art, vid or animation I can't get enough of it.
what's the cliche 'immitation is the highest form of flattery' ?
contributing to the SW universe is fantastic, it should encouraged, and commended in everyway

I love it style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

[Jedi Master Gandalf]

Yeah, its perfectly okay to write your own Ep3 script. You get a sense of what Ep3 really means to you, when you read someone else's version and you suddenly get really excited about the film.

[Leia]

While you're at it, why don't you write your own episode 4 script?

[Jedi Master Gandalf]

What is that supposed to mean?

[JediBendu]

man this is getting interesting :D

I've got no problem with ep 3.5. Ep3 is going to be massive. So much so that you could easily do another film about all the loose ends that just won't be covered.

[Jedi Master Gandalf]

I wouldn't want there to be two Episode 3's. But I would like it to be like 3 hours. That would be great. And that isn't so farfetched.

[JediBendu]

to Darth Fred
well done mate!

man I wish I could write :(

had a completely different feel to Knightfall, that being in script form rather than a story.

My muse has now been officially inspired :p

[Leia]

What's with this Knightfall business anyway? Hasn't anybody noticed that that was the name of that Batman thing way back? The name's probably copyrighted or something

[Count Dooku]

Same here I wish I could right a movie script I started Monday but it's more like a play LoL. The scenes are good and everything but I just need to convert it into a Movie Script. Yeah Darth Fred's script is really good. I liked the end where The Emperor, and Vader are looking throughout the galaxy it gives chills down my back.

[Leia]

It is kind of hard to right a movie script, but you might be able to write one.

Really sorry about that, couldn't help myself

[echoseven]

I read Knightfall and did not like it. That's just my opinion. It was well written and had some very good points in it, but it did not feel like star wars. I personally disagree with some of his speculation, and the title sucks, it does not fit in at all.

But I give him credit, he did it and every one is entitled to their own opinions, which is part of the fun while we wait until 2005. When it's all said and done, we'll see how it turns out.

[NickGeorgandis]

I was enjoying blissful slumber this morning when a squealing set of tires woke me. I barely had time to throw a robe on before a harsh pounding at my door creaked, then shattered the hinges. Into my tiny apartment strode George Clooney, completely encased in his Batman costume. "You stole your fan fic title from our novel!", Clooney bellowed. "You're going down!" Fortunately, I saw Clooney in Batman and Robin and knew how much he sucked, so I dispatched of him easily. Val Kilmer's Batman was a bit tougher, but I hit him with a match and a can of hairspray to send him shrieking into the morning light. Next came, Michael Keaton, who kicked butt in the first two films. I was a little worried until I realized I was more than a foot taller than him, and simply picked him up and put stuffed him in my kitchen cupboard. The same could not be said for Mr. Adam West, who had to use a walker to get up all three flights of my stairs, but was ready for action. As I moved for the disabling blow, he broke into the "Bat-tusi" and sucker punched me in the head. I went down as he stood over me, shaking his head. "Crime doesn't pay, son," West rasped. "Now where's that Eartha Kitt gotten to?"

I had hoped my early morning escapades were over, but soon I heard the familiar roar of a TIE fighter escort and an Imperial shuttle overhead. Sure enough, it was mere seconds before a phalanx of stormtroopers had dragged me to my feet to stand trial before Emperor Lucas and Darth McCallum.

"You have paid the price for your lack of vision!" Lucas cackled as McCallum body-slammed me with his pronounced gut time and again. "How dare you the same thing hundreds of others have done and write a fan fic, but write one that some people like so much that other people HAVE to make a big stink about when they don't like it, instead of just turning off the internet and getting a life!"

The Imperial ranks then parted as Justin Fett, my anonymous nemesis strode in with a list in hand. He presented it to the Emperor whose eyes grew fierce with rage. "As if ripping off Batman wasn't enough, here are some other copyrighted words that Justin has found in your story. Even though you wrote copyright George Lucas/Lucasfilm on them, we're still pointing them all out so Justin can stop hyperventilating... Star, Wars, Episode, III, Luke, Leia, Skywalker, Anakin, Count, Dooku, The, Emperor, Sith, Palpatine, Chancellor, Padme, Amidala, Mace, Windu, Yoda, Plo, Koon, Jedi, Bail, Organa, Owen, Lars, Beru, Cliegg, homestead, Tatooine, Alderaan, Dagobah, Coruscant, lightsaber, swoop, bike, senator, Rodian, Ki, Adi, Muni, pilot, Qui, Gon, Jinn, skippy, nerfherder, Sullustan, Jar, Jar, Binks, Naboo, Boss, Nass, cwazy, mesa, noliken, Otoh, Gunga, slap-happy, spiffy, Copacabana, Yinka Dare, Macarena, Vulcan, oh wait that's not us nevermind, Bootylicious, threepeat."

While Lucas read this list, I couldn't help noticing Justin Fett jumping up and down and clapping his hands while giggling. It wouldn't have been so annyoing if all his jostling hadn't set off his wrist flamethrower, torching my kitchen table.

Now, young Georgandis ... you will die." Lucas decreed. "Justin, disentegrate him!" Justin looked up, a hurt look in his eyes, "But I was going to Toschi Station to pick up some power convertors!" Lucas was furious, wheeling and blasting Justin with blue lightning, knocking him over the balcony and onto the top of a pickup truck in the parking lot.

Lucas turned back, "Lord McCallum, finish him ... Darth Rick, what are you doing?" He found Darth Rick sitting at my computer casually reading through a few chapters of Knightfall.

"Why are we making such a big deal about this?" the Dark Lord of the Sith intoned. "It's just one guy's story, you either like it or you don't. If a guy likes writing Star Wars fan fictions, who are we to tell him he is wasting his time and should write something with original characters, hell at least he's doing SOMETHING creative."

Although my beating at the hands of Adam West and the stomach of Rick McCallum still stung, I embraced the Dark Lord as the Imperial March swelled to a crescendo.

"By the way Nick," McCallum said casually as we sat around playing Galactic Battlegrounds later that day. "Obi-Wan never told you what happened to your father ..."

For those who liked it, thanks a million. For those who don't, what do I care? It's just a story. If you want to see where it all started with a few non-original pictures of artwork I photoshopped as well as reviews from the last 11 months, check me out at:

Knightfall Home Page (http://nickgeo.50megs.com/knightfall.htm)

[sonofsam]

I think that says it all! You could not have put them in their place any better then that. I loved Knightfall, and it certainly opened my imagination. Before reading it, I didn't think the wait until Episode III could seem any longer.

May the Force be With You

[Darth Kyle]

Now that I've read through all the negative and positive feedback to this script, I've got nothing else to do .... except go read the script.

My review will be forthcoming.

[Obidobi]

Well I loved it anyway.
I have already read it 5-6 times. This is what happens in episode III for me. At least until 2005. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif

[Leia]

style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/hmmm.gif too bad the Batman Knightfall had nothing whatsoever to do with Joel Schumaker's crappy movies, Nick. Otherwise that might have made a little more sense.

[NickGeorgandis]

Whoa, whoa, Leia! Who is this Joel Schumacker making Batman movies? I know Joel Schumacher made the last two, but this other Joel sounds intriguing. I only bring him up since you posted several spaces higher to merely insult someone who confused "write" and "right". The Batman Knightfall is the one where Batman suffers from exhaustion, gets his ass handed to him by Bane who in turn suffers the same fate via Nightwing is it? It's the Bane all the Batman fans wish would have been in the movie instead of the now-dead pro wrestler that played him, and the sidekick that whups ass constantly with a kung-fu grip instead of riding a motorcycle, doing circus tricks, whining and hitting on Alicia Silverstone, ala Chris O'Donnell's portrayal.

As previously stated, both with my Knightfall and with the post above that you took exception to, I'm just trying to have fun, something that thus far in our association, you seem impervious to.

Nick G
http://nickgeo.50megs.com/knightfall.htm

[Leia]

no, I'm just having fun whizzing people off :D

[Darth Kyle]

I read the script. It's the best script I've read for any of the prequels. I was particularly mesmerized by the scene where Palpatine and Dooku sign the treaty. My heart went out to Windu during his battle with Vader. This script explained most of the unknowns. Until GL comes out with EP III, this will be my vision of what EP III is.

[Jedi Ulic]

I have read both Knightfall and Revenge of the Sith script and found them both excellent reads. Whilst I could never write such superb works I do have some opinions on the Episode III myself. I think that the film will be somewhere between both films. I loved the beginning of ROTS where Anakin was the pilot using the darkside for increasing his flying skills. I think this a very possible event with Palpatine subtly goading him. I don’t think that Palpatine will be as aggressive as he was in KF where he makes an enemy of Bail Organa immediately. I think he will continue to guide things without rocking the boat until the last minute.
I think Anakin’s turn is more likely to involve him being deceived into joining Sidious though, like in KF. In that, he was given no chance of living unless he submitted to Sidious’ rule. I don’t think when healthy he will willingly give himself to Sidious.
I like the Obi Wan / Padme jealousy thing, that is the sort of thing that would make Anakin flip.
I can see him initially using the darkside with good intentions. Trying to make himself more powerful to do good.
I loved the Mace – Vader scene in Knightfall, truly chilling - “I am your executioner!” was awesome!
They both seem to think that Obi Wan will see Anakin after he has become Vader, I do not think that this will happen. In ANH Vader says “when I left you I was but the learner” and this felt to me as though this was the first time that they had met after Vader had become the superior force wielder.
There is no way in a million years that Anakin will kill Padme as in ROTS. That is something that no one can be redeemed from. I don’t think that he would have been standing beside Obi-Wan and Yoda if he’d done that. I can’t see him watching her suffer at the hands of Sidious, his love for her is just too strong. Her death in KF was so sad and Anakin’s reaction to it was perfect. Until she is gone, he is always likely to turn back for her. It was the final straw and after that point there would be no turning back.
I think the Yoda – Dooku scene in KF is far more likely to happen. Everything fitted perfectly. I don’t believe the scene with Yoda, Mace and Dooku in ROTS is likely. He would never have stood a chance against the top two Jedi council members. On saying that I still think that there is a good chance that Anakin will face Dooku and be given the option to take his place at the Emperor’s side. This will mirror the scene in ROTJ perfectly.
The handing over of Luke to Owen was brilliantly done in KF, just how I would imagine it happening. It was a bit too easy in ROTS.
One error in ROTS, when Obi-Wan chopped off Anakin’s hand and took his light-sabre, he had already handed over his blue sabre to Yoda and was using a red one that Sidious had given him. I know that Yoda could have given him that to give to Luke but there was no need to cut his hand off if that was the case.
No matter how accurate these are in comparison to the finished film, they both point out all the things that must happen between the end of AOTC and ANH and having read them and realised what Ep III must contain I can hardly wait till 2005!

[Darth Fred]

Jedi Ulic, thanks for your comments. *Doh, I hadn't thought of the fact that he's using a Sith lightsaber! *"Meditate on this, I will..."

Are there any other complete Ep 3 fanfics out there? *Anyone? *style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif


Darth Fred

[Darth Kyle]

Like Darth Fred, I'd like to read some other EP III scripts. If anyone can send me a link I'd be most grateful. By the way DF, where can I find your script on-line?

[JediBendu]

::kathump::


Originally posted by Gazelle@
I am sure many of you have already read this but i am curious to what you think

http://nickgeo.fws1.com/knightfall.htm

or

http://www.jedinet.com/prequels/episode-ii...tfall/index.asp

I have read this several times and really love it. Nick is a great writer and seems to have a good grasp on how the story could play out. As he says be warned there are Major Major Spoilers in his story.

[goodwije]

oops! that was me who started a new topic that Bendu moved here (Thank You)

I looked for a knightfall topic but couldn't find it.

Anywho.. I found the script lots of fun. I have not read Revenge of the Sith but i like fanfic ( if its written well) maybe i will check it out.

[goodwije]

I loved that Nick put Anakin in a situation where he had no choice but to turn to the dark side, accpt your destiny or die. I am not sure i would like to see it turn out that way, i think Anakin should accept the dark side before becoming injured in the duel, but it was still a great idea. One of those little points we have 2 years to think about.

[Darth Palpy]

How dare you the same thing hundreds of others have done and write a fan fic, but write one that some people like so much that other people HAVE to make a big stink about when they don't like it, instead of just turning off the internet and getting a life!"

Interesting that he says, those who didn't like it should get off the internet and get a life...is he implying that those who liked it should stay because they have no life ?

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[Master Kwame]

Awesome story!

It had more tragedy than ESB with just a glimmer of hope for ANH to be that much more significant. That's the big thing for me--to make the OT that much more important. The OT is supposed to a story of redemption; however, you don't really get that feel unless you have an understanding of how far the Galaxy has fallen. That's EPIV is subtitled "A New Hope" becuase that's what its supposed to be. Its a new hope for redemption for a fallen a dark universe ruled by power hungry, malevolent forces.

The scene at the end of ANH when the DS explodes and Tarkin dies with it will be so much more meaningful. Also, when Alderaan is destroyed--major new significance. Bail Organa was a major player due to his opposition to Palpatines plans. EP3 establishes that. This story written by NG establishes that. That's why its a good story. When EP3 is finally released, I still remember the visions that this story has inspired and will compare it the film to that. I love EP3 regardless, but until then we have NG's story.

Thanks NG.