MOVIES/TV: Terminator

[P-Ray]

http://www.comingsoon.net/news.php?id=6489

I couldn't find a site for T4 yet, but here is a little news.

[Soontir Solo]

I am wondering how far into the future this next movie will be. If it is to be the last movie then it will probably have to be at least 15 years after T3

[P-Ray]

I read on moviespoilers.net about a month ago that a Terminator 5 was also planned and that Arnold was a possibility for that one. It also said the he would be back as the "bad" Terminator in T5.

[Spacehunter24]

Awesome! Can't wait. T3 is my favorite, and it definitely got me jazzed to see a TERMINATOR movie set during the future war. I hope Mostow returns to direct. I thought he did a good job. I wouldn't mind not seeing Arnold since the focus wouldn't be on him having to protect John Connor, but I imagine there will at least be a cameo by him somewhere. I mean, if he can shoot a cameo for AROUND THE WORLD IN 80 DAYS, he can shoot a cameo for T4. In any event, I'm definitely looking forward to T4.

[K-Man]

I can guarantee that Terminator 4 will suck for the following reasons...

a) No Arnold
b) No Furlong
c) No Hamilton
d) No Cameron
e) Claire Daines
f) Nick Stahl (right?)
g) CGI galore
h) Same director
i) No more cool stalking scenes. This movie is just about a Man Vs. Machine war.

*BOMB*

[Vyndim]

Ahem, the Govenator will have a small role in Terminator 4. I heard it on the news yesterday.

[MXCABRINI]

I wait this one is good, im waiting now for a real man vs. machine war.

[MXCABRINI]

raiders and star wars (http://www.raiders.com)


If you didn't saw the video.

[K-Man]

Originally posted by Vyndim@Sep 25 2004, 01:27 PM
Ahem, the Govenator will have a small role in Terminator 4. I heard it on the news yesterday.
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That is poo.

I want all or nothing.

[Spacehunter24]

Originally posted by K-Man@Sep 25 2004, 01:21 PM
i) No more cool stalking scenes. This movie is just about a Man Vs. Machine war.


Which will be a nice change for the series. I mean, how many times can you do a movie where all it is is a Terminator trying protect somebody? It'd get redundant really quick. I think a TERMINATOR movie can survive without Arnold.

[metalhead]

i think its a great idea to have a terminator movie set in the future
arnolds character was gettin boring anyway
change will do the franchise good
and make for the terminator movie ive been waitin for - the future

[P-Ray]

Originally posted by metalhead@Sep 25 2004, 04:58 PM
i think its a great idea to have a terminator movie set in the future
arnolds character was gettin boring anyway
change will do the franchise good
and make for the terminator movie ive been waitin for - the future
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I agree! I'm glad that Arnold has a cameo for continuity but he is really not needed for this one if it's going to be the Human vs. Machine war.

[K-Man]

Are you people serious?

Arnold made Terminator. To have one without him is just completely wrong.

When it sucks, I am going to tell all of you "I told you so."

[P-Ray]

Originally posted by K-Man@Sep 27 2004, 06:29 PM
Are you people serious?

Arnold made Terminator. To have one without him is just completely wrong.

When it sucks, I am going to tell all of you "I told you so."
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I love an open mind style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

[Justin]

Originally posted by Spacehunter24@Sep 24 2004, 01:57 PM
Awesome! Can't wait. T3 is my favorite, and it definitely got me jazzed to see a TERMINATOR movie set during the future war. I hope Mostow returns to direct. I thought he did a good job. I wouldn't mind not seeing Arnold since the focus wouldn't be on him having to protect John Connor, but I imagine there will at least be a cameo by him somewhere. I mean, if he can shoot a cameo for AROUND THE WORLD IN 80 DAYS, he can shoot a cameo for T4. In any event, I'm definitely looking forward to T4.
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Ahnuld had already filmed that scene in Around the World in 80 Days before he became Governor.

[Spacehunter24]

Yeah. I meant, though, that if he could do a cameo for that movie, then he could definitely do one for T4. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[Sabrina Fried]

Originally posted by Vyndim@Sep 25 2004, 01:27 PM
Ahem, the Govenator will have a small role in Terminator 4. I heard it on the news yesterday.
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Let me guess: As a robotic spy sent back in time to crush the rebellion by posing as a local politician and giving tax breaks to companies that produce Huge Killer Robots! ™

Or just a 'guy on the street' a la Stan Lee..

Either way, I wasn't all that thrilled with T3, it had a great idea behind it, but the special effects and the mandatory explosions quotient got in the way, if T4 can improve on what T3 tried to do I will go see it.

Sabrina

[RollaFett]

Y'know what was the wierdest aspect of T3? The fact that the vast majority of the story takes place during the daytime. I don't know exactly why that bothered me, but I do know that the first two films took place mostly at night, and it just seemed cooler.

Anyway, this is about T4, so uhhh...well I don't have anything on that.

[P-Ray]

Originally posted by Spacehunter24@Sep 24 2004, 12:57 PM
Awesome! Can't wait. T3 is my favorite, and it definitely got me jazzed to see a TERMINATOR movie set during the future war. I hope Mostow returns to direct. I thought he did a good job. I wouldn't mind not seeing Arnold since the focus wouldn't be on him having to protect John Connor, but I imagine there will at least be a cameo by him somewhere. I mean, if he can shoot a cameo for AROUND THE WORLD IN 80 DAYS, he can shoot a cameo for T4. In any event, I'm definitely looking forward to T4.
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I absolutely love T3! Ten minutes longer and it would have been as good as T2. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

The way T3 ended, I truly feel that T4 could continue easily with only a cameo from Arnold.

[K-Man]

T3 was one of the worst movies I have ever seen.

[P-Ray]

Originally posted by K-Man@Sep 30 2004, 06:27 PM
T3 was one of the worst movies I have ever seen.
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Sorry you didn't enjoy it. I thought it was great! It seems much more fun to enjoy something than to hate it. It also seems to take less energy and emotion. I also get less disappointed that way. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif I'm glad I liked it. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[P-Ray]

http://www.comingsoon.net/news.php?id=8181

T4 news!

[Virus]

^lame

[Justin]

That sucks...why would they do that? They should continue the movie from where Terminator 3 ended. I'd be more interested in seeing that then a big jump to the future.

[Virus]

Cameron must be rolling in his grave..............nevermind style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[P-Ray]

Originally posted by Justin@Feb 2 2005, 12:30 AM
That sucks...why would they do that? They should continue the movie from where Terminator 3 ended. I'd be more interested in seeing that then a big jump to the future.
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I agree!

They still need to show John Conners as a leader of the resistance, don't they?

[Cassus Fett]

I heard that The Rock would be playing the Terminator in the next three films

[Virus]

I heard that too. I rather see a no name like they have done with each Terminator movies.

[DarthAnakin]

Nick Stahl Confirms 'Terminator 4' No-Show:

http://www.killermovies.com/t/terminator4/articles/4864.html

[P-Ray]

Check out new tv featuring Sarh Conner and T4 news!

http://www.comingsoon.net/news.php?id=11940

[Virus]

Originally posted by P-Ray@Nov 10 2005, 07:52 AM
Check out new tv featuring Sarh Conner and T4 news!

http://www.comingsoon.net/news.php?id=11940
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I read this too today when I got home from work.......barf!

[P-Ray]

Originally posted by Virus+Nov 10 2005, 08:10 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Virus @ Nov 10 2005, 08:10 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-P-Ray@Nov 10 2005, 07:52 AM
Check out new tv featuring Sarh Conner and T4 news!

http://www.comingsoon.net/news.php?id=11940
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I read this too today when I got home from work.......barf!
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Virus, you're a glass half empty kinda guy aren't ya? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

[the c0unt]

<span style="font-family:Courier">I wonder if I'm alone in thinking that the Terminator has worn out its novelty. I am just not compelled to see anymore. T3 was unnecesary, and while it wasn't bad, it just didn't do anything for me. I really am not anticipating T4 at all. The first two were great though.</span>

[Virus]

Originally posted by P-Ray+Nov 10 2005, 10:25 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(P-Ray @ Nov 10 2005, 10:25 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'>Originally posted by Virus@Nov 10 2005, 08:10 PM
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Check out new tv featuring Sarh Conner and T4 news!

http://www.comingsoon.net/news.php?id=11940
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I read this too today when I got home from work.......barf!
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Virus, you're a half empty kinda guy aren't ya? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif
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Nah....I just don't like ideas that are rehashed over and over again. Gimme something new

[Javen]

Found some news on Terminator4News (http://www.moviehole.net/news/20060323_schwarzenegger_back_for_termin.html)

He actually didn’t say he’d ‘be back’ last time – though I was pretty quick smart out of the theatre after “T3” from memory, if only to save myself a nice fat car fine, it’s possible he muttered it after the end-credits? – So nobody’s really expecting Arnold Schwarzenegger to don the ray-bands and leather duds for a fourth “Terminator” are they? (Especially considering rumours that they’ve actually written the Austrian Oak’s character ‘out of’ the next instalment).

Seems something’s changed – incongruously, this coincides with the decline of Arnold’s regard as the Californian Governor – because according to producer Mario Kassar, “Terminator 4” is waiting in the wings, they’re just waiting for a free spot in Schwarzenegger’s calendar. Yep, the big man will be back…again.

[Brian]

"Terminator 4. Any news?"

I hope not.

[Javen]

Apparently there is thing called fans and a following and there is money to made off of many, many sequels. I mean look at Friday the 13th it has what? 50 sequels.

[Virus]

Yes and that series is highly looked at as amazing filmmaking.

If T4 is ever made, it should be done by Cameron who will never do it. End of series, let it die.

[P-Ray]

Originally posted by Virus@Mar 23 2006, 08:57 PM
Yes and that series is highly looked at as amazing filmmaking.

If T4 is ever made, it should be done by Cameron who will never do it. End of series, let it die.
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I would like to see the War. If not, there is so much story potential that if done right, would be awesome!

[Brian]

I smell a TV show. I hope not though.

[Virus]

Originally posted by P-Ray+Mar 23 2006, 10:13 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(P-Ray @ Mar 23 2006, 10:13 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-Virus@Mar 23 2006, 08:57 PM
Yes and that series is highly looked at as amazing filmmaking.*

If T4 is ever made, it should be done by Cameron who will never do it.* End of series, let it die.
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I would like to see the War. If not, there is so much story potential that if done right, would be awesome!
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Beyond. The war is so interesting and could be done so well by Cameron but who knows if we will ever see it or not. My idea was to make Terminator 4 and have it end with everyone getting into the time portal to make the movies come full circle. Of course this cannot be done since Michael Beihn is 20 years older.

[P-Ray]

Originally posted by Virus+Mar 23 2006, 11:26 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Virus @ Mar 23 2006, 11:26 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'>Originally posted by P-Ray@Mar 23 2006, 10:13 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Virus@Mar 23 2006, 08:57 PM
Yes and that series is highly looked at as amazing filmmaking.*

If T4 is ever made, it should be done by Cameron who will never do it.* End of series, let it die.
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I would like to see the War. If not, there is so much story potential that if done right, would be awesome!
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Beyond. The war is so interesting and could be done so well by Cameron but who knows if we will ever see it or not. My idea was to make Terminator 4 and have it end with everyone getting into the time portal to make the movies come full circle. Of course this cannot be done since Michael Beihn is 20 years older.
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That would have definitely been be cool! Oh Well!

[P-Ray]

T4 update!

http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=13995

[empire21]

I hope Arnies in T4, not having Arnie in a terminator movie is like not having Ford in a Indy movie.

[Sargoth]

In order for this franchise to succeed, they need to stop the formula of "Bad guy from the future sent to kill good guy from the past who is protected by good guy from the future".

This plot worked flawlessly in the first two films. By T3, it started to feel stale. I thought T3 was a mediocre film. It had an aura of "been there, done that" throughout most of the movie - up until the last ten minutes of it. The ending, I *never* saw coming. And I felt it breathed new life into a 20 year franchise.

T4 needs to focus on the War. If it's done without Arnold, then so be it.

[P-Ray]

Originally posted by Sargoth@Apr 6 2006, 06:01 PM
In order for this franchise to succeed, they need to stop the formula of "Bad guy from the future sent to kill good guy from the past who is protected by good guy from the future".

This plot worked flawlessly in the first two films. By T3, it started to feel stale. I thought T3 was a mediocre film. It had an aura of "been there, done that" throughout most of the movie - up until the last ten minutes of it. The ending, I *never* saw coming. And I felt it breathed new life into a 20 year franchise.

T4 needs to focus on the War. If it's done without Arnold, then so be it.
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T4 can be done w/o Arnie but I do hope he is in it at least a little!

[Virus]

Originally posted by P-Ray+Apr 6 2006, 07:20 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(P-Ray @ Apr 6 2006, 07:20 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-Sargoth@Apr 6 2006, 06:01 PM
In order for this franchise to succeed, they need to stop the formula of "Bad guy from the future sent to kill good guy from the past who is protected by good guy from the future".

This plot worked flawlessly in the first two films.* By T3, it started to feel stale.* * I thought T3 was a mediocre film.* It had an aura of "been there, done that" throughout most of the movie - up until the last ten minutes of it.* The ending, I *never* saw coming.* And I felt it breathed new life into a 20 year franchise.

T4 needs to focus on the War.* If it's done without Arnold, then so be it.
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T4 can be done w/o Arnie but I do hope he is in it at least a little!
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I agree. It can be done without Arnold but it would feel weird if he wasn't in it. But he is getting really really old and saggy

[P-Ray]

writers!

http://www.aintitcoolnews.com/display.cgi?id=22963

[Virus]

Wow, that has to be the worst list of movies that those writers have done. THis could be really bad. I agree with the guys from AICN that T3 was good but not great. After seeing T3, I always think how amazing it could have been if Cameron were shooting it.

[Sargoth]

Originally posted by Virus@Apr 6 2006, 09:35 PM
But he is getting really really old and saggy
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He was like that prior to T3 as well. But I believe he packed on something like 20lbs of muscle before shooting began. I don't think we need to worry about Arnold being able to get back into shape. :)

[P-Ray]

Sarah Conner Chronicles a go!

http://www.comingsoon.net/news/tvnews.php?id=16251

[Virus]

zzzzz

[RollaFett]

Hmmm...I tend to agree with Virus right now. I'm not sure I see a whole series with that story.

[Virus]

we want Cameron and we want to see the war in the future. Is it that hard to do!??!!?

[Justin]

Yeah this TV show sounds like it will suck, and if it doesn't have "Terminator" in the title you can bet it will fail.

I want to see the future war with Michael Bien as John Connor.

But the real story at that site was this one, P-Ray:

http://www.comingsoon.net/news/tvnews.php?id=16241

[Tovor]

I want to see the future war with Michael Bien as John Connor.
You want Michael Bien to play the guy who sends the guy, played by Michael Bien, through the portal into the past?

[Virus]

^well, they should look somewhat similar since he is his father. But it would still confuse people and wouldnt work very well

[Justin]

Michael Biehn now looks a lot different from how he looked in 1984. But close enough in resemblence to his younger self that he could pass for his father, not to mention an older version of Nick Stahl. Come on, that would be awesome.

Ideally though, they would have cast Edward Furlong in Terminator 3, and the dude who played adult John Connor in T2 in later movies.

[P-Ray]

But the real story at that site was this one, P-Ray:

http://www.comingsoon.net/news/tvnews.php?id=16241
Hey...K-Fed actually has something to do now beside make babies and sponge off of Britany:D

[RollaFett]

Michael Biehn now looks a lot different from how he looked in 1984. But close enough in resemblence to his younger self that he could pass for his father, not to mention an older version of Nick Stahl. Come on, that would be awesome.

Ideally though, they would have cast Edward Furlong in Terminator 3, and the dude who played adult John Connor in T2 in later movies.

I actually liked T3 well enough, but still have a hard time with the casting of Stahl. He was fine, mind you, but why not Furlong?! I had read that he had some substance abuse issues or something, but c'mon?! That's par for the course in Hollywood, right?

[P-Ray]

I actually liked T3 well enough, but still have a hard time with the casting of Stahl. He was fine, mind you, but why not Furlong?! I had read that he had some substance abuse issues or something, but c'mon?! That's par for the course in Hollywood, right?
I read somewhere that it was making it hard to work with him for attitude, punctuality,etc.

[Virus]

Just back to Terminator 2....anyone have the T2 - Extreme DVD? I was also hoping that someone has tried the HD quality of the movie?

[Tovor]

Michael Biehn now looks a lot different from how he looked in 1984. But close enough in resemblence to his younger self that he could pass for his father, not to mention an older version of Nick Stahl. Come on, that would be awesome.

Ideally though, they would have cast Edward Furlong in Terminator 3, and the dude who played adult John Connor in T2 in later movies.

I actually liked T3 well enough, but still have a hard time with the casting of Stahl. He was fine, mind you, but why not Furlong?! I had read that he had some substance abuse issues or something, but c'mon?! That's par for the course in Hollywood, right?
That bothered me a bit. First that the same actor wasn't used to ensure visual continuity, and second that I didn't actually care for Stahl that much in the role. And third, that the lead-up to Judgement Day felt rushed, though that's the Hollywood ticket after all, in order to tell a big story in less than 2 hours. What I mean is Skynet's evolution to conscious thought, and it's launching of the war. The story of Judgement Day as told in T2 by the Terminator, was that Skynet became self aware on a specific date, and that in response and panic the humans tried to pull the plug. And so Skynet launched the missiles to provoke the Russian counter strike. But yet T3 showed us Skynet being self aware for enough time prior to that date, scheming and plotting with the construction of battle robots and equipment in order to take control.

Some might say, and perhaps the movie implied this, that the intervention in T2 by Sara Conner and Miles Dyson to prevent Skynet from being built, despite its failure due to the inevitability of the future event (which had already occured, from a certain point of view), caused the evolution of Skynet to occur differently and at a different time frame than would have been (had already been) otherwise.

It just took me about a half hour to write that last simple paragraph, due to TV distractions and daydreaming. I hope it made sense.

[kopernikuz]

Maybe because Furlong was a terrible actor? :P

But par for the course in Hollywood or not... the studio is going to go with an actor whose not going to disrupt production because they're on the skids this week.

Nick Stahl was a relative up and comer when he was chosen... while Furlong was well on his way out.

[Virus]

Maybe because Furlong was a terrible actor? :P

But par for the course in Hollywood or not... the studio is going to go with an actor whose not going to disrupt production because they're on the skids this week.

Nick Stahl was a relative up and comer when he was chosen... while Furlong was well on his way out.

Not true about Furlong. He did amazing a few years prior in American History X

[kopernikuz]

Well, thats certainly a matter of opinion... and yes, he was decent in that, though the highlight of that film is inarguably Edward Norton. But he was godawful in T2, even though I still enjoyed the film.

[P-Ray]

more on Sarah Conner chronicles!


http://www.comingsoon.net/news/tvnews.php?id=16378

[P-Ray]

Terminator 4
World Whoa III The last movie ended with Nick Stahl and Claire Danes huddling in a shelter while the planet is blown up by nukes. This one begins when they walk outside into the aftermath to find that the only living things are cockroaches … and Eddie Furlong! I just blew your mind.

source: movies.com

[P-Ray]

T4 tease!

http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=17070

[empire21]

A Terminator without Arnold is going to be quite different.

[Virus]

A Terminator without Arnold is going to be quite different.

and a bomb. Please let this series die before it gets worse.

[P-Ray]

http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=17184

[P-Ray]

Sarah Connor cast for tv show!

http://www.comingsoon.net/news/tvnews.php?id=17428

[empire21]

LOL, I still can't believe that show is going to happen, i'll check it out of course but I wont be expecting much.

[DblDwn]

So I'm assuming that re-election yesterday means that this film is more and more less likely to happen. After all no one wants to see the Terminator rolling around in something he got at the Scooter Store.

[kopernikuz]

Muttering "I'll be back" as he heads to the bathroom for the fifth time in the night.

"Your Depends... give them to me... now...."

[DblDwn]

And then there is the obvious line by John:

"Now remind me again why someone made a Terminator that looks 60 years old and has sagging skin where muscle should be?"

[RollaFett]

Dbldwn & Koper - LOL!

Anyway, as far as that show goes, I just don't see it. Who thought that that would be a good idea?

[P-Ray]

Dbldwn & Koper - LOL!

Ditto to that!:lol:

[Virus]

i agree! Please let this movie die and never be made.

[DblDwn]

"I'll be back..............right after I drink my Metamucil."

[P-Ray]

Hereos' Dekker to be John Connoor in Sarah Conner Chronicles!

http://www.comingsoon.net/news/tvnews.php?id=17873

[P-Ray]

A Sarah Connor Chronicles update! Summer Glau from Firefly possibly involved!?


http://www.aintitcool.com/node/31533

[empire21]

Maybe it's just me but I can't see this show being any good.

[P-Ray]

Maybe it's just me but I can't see this show being any good.
I'm actually really looking forwrad to it but then I'm a huge Terminator fan.

It could work, it just needs to be well written an not cheesy. They will need to put a little $ into it.:wink:

[empire21]

I'll definately check it out but i'm not going to expect much. Hopefully it will be handled well.

[P-Ray]

I'll definately check it out but i'm not going to expect much. Hopefully it will be handled well.
That's probably for the best so your expectations won't be too high. In that case, it may have a better chance to not let you down.:wink: :w00t:

[empire21]

That's probably for the best so your expectations won't be too high. In that case, it may have a better chance to not let you down.:wink: :w00t:

LOL, thats the idea. :P

[Virus]

i guess this tv show is trying to capture what Stargate SG-1 did

[P-Ray]

i guess this tv show is trying to capture what Stargate SG-1 did
Seems like it.

[TAGLINE]

So what...are like 200 machines going to get sent back in time to kill her?

[P-Ray]

Arnold to do Terminator 4 cameo?

http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=19132

[RollaFett]

While I certainly don't mind that he would appear, I have a slight problem with Arnold being referred to as "the title character".
We've already seen two other Terminators in these films that weren't Arnold. Actually three if you count the one that attacked the humans base during Reese's flashback scene from the first film.
As much as Arnold is connected to the role, it's incorrect to say he is the title character, but perhaps I'm being nitpicky.

[P-Ray]

Headey on Sarah Connor chronicles!

http://www.comingsoon.net/news/tvnews.php?id=19177

[P-Ray]

Photo for the Sarah Connor Chronicles!

http://www.comingsoon.net/news/tvnews.php?id=19879

[Miasmo]

Thanks, P.

I know you can't judge much from a picture, but I could see them fit for the part of the mother-son Connor team. What's the best release date guess out there?

[borgmatrix]

Photo for the Sarah Connor Chronicles!

http://www.comingsoon.net/news/tvnews.php?id=19879
Whoa. I didn't know Lena Headey was playing Sarah. She's reason enough for me to check it out.

[P-Ray]

Thanks, P.


My pleasure!:wink:

[Tovor]

I have a continuity issue with the planned storylines. I read a mention of 2 new Terminators confronting Sarah, a good one and a bad one. Unless they were sent back in time during or prior to the ending of T2, then it makes no sense. In T3 John didn't understand how Skynet still existed in the future to send another Terminator back in time, when they supposedly destroyed Skynet at the end of T2. Terminator explained that the future had not been altered but merely delayed (which was obvious at the end of T2 because if Skynet had been truly prevented, then John could not have existed). Right...that's old news, we knew that already. Point being, if John was surprised to see a terminator in T3 after believing that the future had been altered, continuity would not allow for confrontations with additional terminators to occur in the time frame between T2 and T3.

[P-Ray]

I have a continuity issue with the planned storylines. I read a mention of 2 new Terminators confronting Sarah, a good one and a bad one. Unless they were sent back in time during or prior to the ending of T2, then it makes no sense. In T3 John didn't understand how Skynet still existed in the future to send another Terminator back in time, when they supposedly destroyed Skynet at the end of T2. Terminator explained that the future had not been altered but merely delayed (which was obvious at the end of T2 because if Skynet had been truly prevented, then John could not have existed). Right...that's old news, we knew that already. Point being, if John was surprised to see a terminator in T3 after believing that the future had been altered, continuity would not allow for confrontations with additional terminators to occur in the time frame between T2 and T3.
That's a good point unless they are disregarding T3.

I don't see why they would.

[Tovor]

That's a good point unless they are disregarding T3.

I don't see why they would.
God I hope not. For that matter, the project would have no credibility whatsoever. They would have to disregard T4 as well when/if it comes out. I simply don't see how they can work it into continuity to feature guest Terminators. At the same time, though Sarah Conner is one of my favorite female warrior characters, without Terminators, her adventures would be like...Star Wars without the Sith.

[P-Ray]

New Terminator trilogy coming !?

http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=20301

[Miasmo]

I'm actually looking more forward to the TV series, probably just for the change in format. Still interesting news. Thanks for the word.

[P-Ray]

I'm actually looking more forward to the TV series, probably just for the change in format. Still interesting news. Thanks for the word.
I'm looking forward to that as well and probably for the same reason.

[P-Ray]

More Terminator info!

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/32604

[empire21]

All I want is a movie in the future fighting the Machines, I can't imagine i'm the only one who want's that.

[Virus]

All I want is a movie in the future fighting the Machines, I can't imagine i'm the only one who want's that.

I agree. I was hoping that T3 would have been that but no. Only in Cameron I trust.

I'm not sure what this news is even about. Are they going to reboot the series or something. Or is it going to be about other Terminators sent back through time or will it be a trilogy about the future war. WTF?

[empire21]

You would think after T3 the next logical step would be a movie fighting the machines in the future.

This news here is just, well, confusing.

[Tovor]

More Terminator info!

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/32604
Did you watch the movie at the bottom of the article? It's :lol: x 3

[Miasmo]

Yeah, classic stuff. I believe that's from the first season.

[P-Ray]

Sarah Conner Chronicles promos and clips!

http://www.comingsoon.net/news/tvnews.php?id=20519

[P-Ray]

^BTW, these clips look great but I still don't understand how this show can not ruin the continuity of T3.

I'm looking foward to it but this is going to have to be explained somehow, IMO unless we view it as a "what if" or "elseworld":wink:

[empire21]

I honestly don't think we have to worry about anything as I don't see this show lasting very long. :ohwell:

[P-Ray]

I honestly don't think we have to worry about anything as I don't see this show lasting very long. :ohwell:
You're probably right but I'm hoping it does well if good.

[TAGLINE]

Apparently they want to ruin the T3 continuity.

[P-Ray]

Apparently they want to ruin the T3 continuity.
I guess you're right because correct me if I'm wrong, but T3's story simply won't work with this premise:wink:

[TAGLINE]

I guess you're right because correct me if I'm wrong, but T3's story simply won't work with this premise:wink:

Well, Terminator itself doesn't logically work with its premise...

But from what I hear they are willing to scrap T3 and the Claire Danes character entirely.

[Tovor]

^BTW, these clips look great but I still don't understand how this show can not ruin the continuity of T3.

I'm looking foward to it but this is going to have to be explained somehow, IMO unless we view it as a "what if" or "elseworld":wink:
I agree, as posted earlier. I'm going to have some trouble swallowing the continuity alteration. However, the new show does look pretty damned good.

Come to think of it, don't T2 and T3 both break the continuity of the first film? Kyle Reese and John Conner and his soldiers had destroyed Skynet right after it had sent the first Terminator back through time. Then Reese volunteered to go back through the time portal to protect Sara. Correct me if I'm wrong, but at the point when Reese went back through time, Skynet was destroyed and the war was won by Conner. But yet Skynet still managed to send back the T1000 and then the Terminatrix after being destroyed?? :scratchchin:

[P-Ray]

Well, Terminator itself doesn't logically work with its premise...

But from what I hear they are willing to scrap T3 and the Claire Danes character entirely.
Well, I posted earlier that a new company bought the rights for Terminator franchise and they were going to start another series of movies. I guess it won't be directly from T3 then.:wink:

[P-Ray]

I agree, as posted earlier. I'm going to have some trouble swallowing the continuity alteration. However, the new show does look pretty damned good.

I think so too. If it turns out to be a huge success then T3 will probably be forgotten. Less face it, T2 was the best and most popular of the 3 terminator movies. Why not continue stories related to the fan favorite especially if it brings in the $ for them.

[P-Ray]

Terminator 4
He'll Be Back … Briefly Swedish male supermodel Marcus Schenkenberg, who just signed to appear in the upcoming sequel, claims Ah-nuld will have a 30-second cameo. The Governator originally wasn't going to be in it at all, but then said he'd be glad to personally hand off the series to a guy whose last name is almost as hard to spell as his own.

movies.com

[P-Ray]

Sarah Connor Chronicles update!

http://www.comingsoon.net/news/tvnews.php?id=22557

[P-Ray]

A preview and some good interviews for Sarah Connor Chronicles!

http://www.comingsoon.net/news/tvnews.php?id=22592

[P-Ray]

Crazy T4 rumor!

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/33793

[Cassus Fett]

So is T4 going to be made or not?

[TAGLINE]

The Sarah Connor Chronicles has a superb pilot.

[P-Ray]

So is T4 going to be made or not?
I thought that they are supposed to be working on a script now and Arnold has agreed to make a brief cameo.

[P-Ray]

^Here's the Arnold cameo link!

http://movies.go.com/moviesproxy/tipster?id=877849

[P-Ray]

more Sarah Connor chronicles casting!

http://www.comingsoon.net/news/tvnews.php?id=37609

[empire21]

So does this show start in January or something?

[P-Ray]

I can only find that it's on FOX in 2008!

It's getting great reviews though!

http://www.imdb.com/rg/title-tease/faq-question/title/tt0851851/faq#.2.1.1

[empire21]

Cool! Thanks P-Ray. :thumbs-up:

[P-Ray]

"No Problema"

Sorry...that was tacky!:)

[P-Ray]

T4 update!

http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=37702

[DblDwn]

I like the concept of it picking up after Judgement Day, the real one obviously and not T2, and showing us the post-Apocalyptic fall out that has occurred. Not too surprising that the "Arnold" Trilogy is now being followed up with another trilogy of sorts. To link the two, and I have no problem with the fact that it won't be Michael Biehn in the role, but the 3rd, and hopefully final film, in this trilogy should end with John sending Reese back to 1984 to stop the original Terminator. That would be cool.

[P-Ray]

I like the concept of it picking up after Judgement Day, the real one obviously and not T2, and showing us the post-Apocalyptic fall out that has occurred. Not too surprising that the "Arnold" Trilogy is now being followed up with another trilogy of sorts. To link the two, and I have no problem with the fact that it won't be Michael Biehn in the role, but the 3rd, and hopefully final film, in this trilogy should end with John sending Reese back to 1984 to stop the original Terminator. That would be cool.
Yes it would!

[P-Ray]

T4 update!

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/34294

[P-Ray]

Reboot!

http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=38231

[empire21]

Terminator Salvation: The Future Begins. That's quite the title. :P

[Miasmo]

Hm, that sounds more like the title of an article for T4 rather than the actual title. Thumbs down.

[P-Ray]

Yeah, it actually sounds like a Terminator book!

I imagine that title will change :wink:

[empire21]

I certainly hope so.

[P-Ray]

Sarah Connor Chronicles name change and paired with 24!


http://www.aintitcoolnews.com/node/34474

[RollaFett]

I finally saw a couple of short promos on Fox this past weekend during NFL action. I'll definately check out the premiere to see if it's worthwhile.

[P-Ray]

Sarah Connor Chronicles behind the scenes video!


http://www.iesb.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3590&Itemid=99

[Brian]

Not sure if this is the same thing you posted, P-Ray, but if it is, it will serve as an alternative link:

The Sarah Connor Chronicles - Behind the Scenes (http://spoilertv.blogspot.com/2007/10/sarah-connor-chronicles-behind-scenes.html)

[P-Ray]

Yeah it's the same but better to have 2 choices than none at all, I say:wink::)

[P-Ray]

First Terminator photo from Sarah Connor Chronicles!

http://www.comingsoon.net/news/tvnews.php?id=39018

[Orandhite]

Looks damn good!

[empire21]

Nice ear. :P

[Morridini]

Errrrr, just stopped by this thread because I've always liked Terminator 1 and 2 and just saw 3 for the second time, and now all of a sudden there is a TV show coming? And what about the fourth movie? It's been scrapped for the show instead?

[Kapit]

No, there's three more movie on the way

[P-Ray]

new Sarah Connor chronicles poster!

http://www.comingsoon.net/news/tvnews.php?id=39348

[P-Ray]

Next Terminator movie has a director!?

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/34810

[empire21]

new Sarah Connor chronicles poster!

http://www.comingsoon.net/news/tvnews.php?id=39348

Freaky!

[borgmatrix]

new Sarah Connor chronicles poster!

http://www.comingsoon.net/news/tvnews.php?id=39348
I like the second poster best. The third is a rip-off of the Borg Queen.

[empire21]

The third is a rip-off of the Borg Queen.

You're right about that. I didn't even notice until you mentioned it.

[P-Ray]

I like the second poster best. The third is a rip-off of the Borg Queen.
If the second one was the one with Sarah in it holding the gun, then that's the one I like best as well!

And you're right about the Borg Queen one.

So if that the case, then the first one reminds me of the Speilberg movie AI:wink:

[Javen]

http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=39503

Christian Bale cast as John Connor. interesting...

[P-Ray]

^Wow! That surprises me!

[Morridini]

Hmm, gives me new hope for this franchize (didn't like III), I've yet to see Bale in a bad movie.

[P-Ray]

Hmm, gives me new hope for this franchize (didn't like III), I've yet to see Bale in a bad movie.
Have you see Rescue Dawn? That looks good! I haven't seen it.


And BTW, I love T3! I thought that it was an excellent addition to the series:wink:

[P-Ray]

Just a confirmation anouncement from aicn that Bruce Wayne is John Conner!

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/34867

[Morridini]

Well, T3 was ok, I just didn't like the Terminator T-X. It was just so crappy compared to the Terminator from T2, the T-1000, I would have expected them to have made a better Terminator for the thid movie.

[P-Ray]

Well, T3 was ok, I just didn't like the Terminator T-X. It was just so crappy compared to the Terminator from T2, the T-1000, I would have expected them to have made a better Terminator for the thid movie.
Well where do the Terminators go after liquid metal?

I liked the T-X because she was the liquid metal over an endo skeleton and could make blades and mechanical weapons.

I definitely thought that the T-X was an upgrade from the T-1000.

T3 could have been much worse, IMO but I thought that it was very solid with story, etc. Not as good as T2, but then could any Terminator even compare to T2? I doubt it in our minds:wink:

[Morridini]

Yeah they sure put the bar waay to high after T2. But just having a skeleton beneath the liquid metal was just stupid, making her a lot easier to kill.

[Javen]

Have you see Rescue Dawn? That looks good! I haven't seen it.

I've seen it. Its pretty good, but didn't like the ending much.

[P-Ray]

^Thanx! It looks really good!

[P-Ray]

Yeah they sure put the bar waay to high after T2. But just having a skeleton beneath the liquid metal was just stupid, making her a lot easier to kill.
Well it's just them incorporating the 2 ideas it seems

[P-Ray]

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Falling Stars In a surprising casting rumor, Christian Bale (http://movies.go.com/moviesproxy/buzzbin?columnid=928393&CMP=ILC-Flash1#) may star in McG's sequel as John Connor. That sounds great, but with the way Edward Furlong and Nick Stahl's careers have gone since starring in T2 and T3 as the same character, I'd advise Christian to stay far, far away.</TD><TD vAlign=top width=85>
http://a.movies.com/i/index/bale_thumb.jpg
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movies.com

[Javen]

I really doubt it would affect Christian Bale.

[P-Ray]

I really doubt it would affect Christian Bale.
I agree!

Plus the fact that he is already established where the other 2 were just starting their careers.

[RollaFett]

I don't mind the casting. In fact, I think it's excellent. However, I'm a little tired of having yet another actor playing this role. John Connor will have been in 3 films with this one and a different actor has played him each time?!

[Javen]

But he's been different ages.

[RollaFett]

Yeah, but that's not a good enough excuse. Hell, there was a 12 year gap in between filming T2 and T3. No need to recast, IMO. I know that it was probably done because of Furlong's legal troubles, but from a strict technical standpoint, it wasn't necessary.
Now with this next film, I suppose you have a point. This is supposed to be further in the future and Stahl just looks too young.

[borgmatrix]

No need to recast, IMO. I know that it was probably done because of Furlong's legal troubles, but from a strict technical standpoint, it wasn't necessary.
It was basically Furlong's own issues that kept him out of the movie, his drinking and the uncertainty of whether he could be counted on to "show up". Stahl I liked a lot, as well as Claire Danes, and I was really hoping we'd see both return. I agree that there's no good reason to switch to yet another actor.

[RollaFett]

Yeah, I didn't mind Stahl either, just the inconsistency bugged me. And it's gonna happen yet again.

[kopernikuz]

I agree to a point... since this one is actually set during the war itself, I don't have a problem with it... though we've seen an older Connor in a flashback, don't remember which movie it was.... didn't we? Wonder who that actor was?

Anywho, considering this is further in the future and not directly following the events of T3, it makes sense enough for me to go older. And I like Bale a lot, so I'll stay positive about this one.

[Morridini]

though we've seen an older Connor in a flashback, don't remember which movie it was.... didn't we? Wonder who that actor was?

Michael Edwards (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0250218/) played Old John Connor in Terminator 2: Judgment Day.

[P-Ray]

Stahl I liked a lot, as well as Claire Danes, and I was really hoping we'd see both return. I agree that there's no good reason to switch to yet another actor.
I thought both did great with their roles especially Danes!

[Kapit]

"The Sarah Connor Chronicles" pilot is all over the torrent sites, so I decided to check it out.

It really wasn't as bad as I was expecting. I don't know how to explain it, but it seems like all the FOX action dramas have the same look, feel, and music to them all. It's pretty weird. All that being said, it was still enjoyable. There was a lot of Terminator action, the acting seemed to be pretty good and overall it was a pretty enjoyable pilot. I'm honestly interested in seeing where the other episodes go from here.

[P-Ray]

"The Sarah Connor Chronicles" pilot is all over the torrent sites, so I decided to check it out.

It really wasn't as bad as I was expecting. I don't know how to explain it, but it seems like all the FOX action dramas have the same look, feel, and music to them all. It's pretty weird. All that being said, it was still enjoyable. There was a lot of Terminator action, the acting seemed to be pretty good and overall it was a pretty enjoyable pilot. I'm honestly interested in seeing where the other episodes go from here.
^That's cool!

Yeah, I was excited b/c the other day, I finally saw a trailer on tv for it

[P-Ray]

Christian Bale still in negotiations!

http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=39865

[Morridini]

Just saw the pilot for the Sarah Connor Chronicles, and it sure has potential.

However I just got curious about a possible continuity error. Didn't Johns father in Terminator 1 say that it was no way to get a time machine to travel forward in time? I can understand that they want to have the series set in 2007, so they don't have to worry about mixing in stuff not created back in the 99.

Oh, River is now a main character here, Kaylee is a main character in Atlantis, almost feels like we have Firefly back :D

[P-Ray]

Just saw the pilot for the Sarah Connor Chronicles, and it sure has potential.

However I just got curious about a possible continuity error. Didn't Johns father in Terminator 1 say that it was no way to get a time machine to travel forward in time? I can understand that they want to have the series set in 2007, so they don't have to worry about mixing in stuff not created back in the 99.


Coolness! How'd you get to see it?

I know that they have been changing things. For example, the T-X in T3 had a saw and movable parts and I thought that Reece said in the first Terminator that no movable parts could be brought thru.

I guess it can be justified by saying that things are being changed in the future to now have the ability to change the rules for time travel.

[kopernikuz]

Coolness! How'd you get to see it?

I know that they have been changing things. For example, the T-X in T3 had a saw and movable parts and I thought that Reece said in the first Terminator that no movable parts could be brought thru.

I guess it can be justified by saying that things are being changed in the future to now have the ability to change the rules for time travel.
That isn't really what he said, because then the original Terminator would've never made it through. He actually says:

You go naked. Something about the field generated by a living organism. Nothing dead will go.

The Terminator's metal moving parts are surrounded by living tissue, so the parts are protected. The T-1000, we have to assume, is "alive" and not dead... the liquid metal is somehow a living organism and therefore works. The T-X is the same as the T-1000... liquid metal, but now upgraded in order to be able to "create" moving parts, where the T-1000 could not. It isn't made up of moving parts, it can create them.

[Morridini]

Coolness! How'd you get to see it?

Downloaded it, hooked my PC up to the X-Box 360, and watched it on a big screen.

Yeah the living tissue things is what makes it possible for the Terminators to time travel. After all, I bet if they could the robots in the future could send something much bigger and deadlier back in time to kill Connor, like a hug e Godzilla-size robot thingy.

EDIT: Ooh, also, hope we get to see more to the guy Sarah left, the "would be" fiancé, loved his part in Stargate SG-1

[P-Ray]

Downloaded it, hooked my PC up to the X-Box 360, and watched it on a big screen.
Did you just search for it on the net?

[Morridini]

Not exactly, are you familiar with torrents?
If so, I went to www.mininova.org (http://www.mininova.org) searched for it, and used utorrent to download it.

[P-Ray]

Not exactly, are you familiar with torrents?
If so, I went to www.mininova.org (http://www.mininova.org) searched for it, and used utorrent to download it.
Nope! Oh well...I'll have to wait til January

[Morridini]

Downloading TV-episodes are far from illegal, but I'll explain it on a PM; in case any mods would frown upon it.

[P-Ray]

Producers on Terminator:Salvation!

http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=39945

[P-Ray]

defense of McG as the director!

http://www.aintitcoolnews.com/node/34975

[P-Ray]

T4 story details online!

http://www.iesb.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3975&Itemid=99

[P-Ray]

more T4 details!

http://www.chud.com/news/12999

[P-Ray]

Sarah Connor's poster gallery!

http://www.terminatorsite.com/postergallery1.htm

[P-Ray]

A Sarah Connor site!

http://www.terminatorsite.com/

[P-Ray]

http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=40458

[P-Ray]

Terminator Salvation plot details!

http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=40744

[Virus]

p-rays the only one talking about this....haha.

I think this looks like total crap and its really going to ruin the continuity of the three films. James Cameron must be rolling in his grave.

[kopernikuz]

James Cameron must be rolling in his grave.
Wait a minute... James Cameron died? When did this happen? :P

[Horse_Head]

A couple of the stars of the Chronic-What-cles of Sarah Conner at the L.A. Sci-Fi and Comicbook Con this Sunday...
http://comicbookscifi.com/comic_program.html#summer

[P-Ray]

p-rays the only one talking about this....haha.

I think this looks like total crap and its really going to ruin the continuity of the three films. James Cameron must be rolling in his grave.
I know...I'm so alone here!

The trailers look great to me.

I'm just going to have to think of it as a "what if" of "Elseworld" I guess:wink:

[P-Ray]

Pics, etc. from the Sarah Connor Chronicles!

http://www.iesb.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=4079&Itemid=99

[Morridini]

I think this looks like total crap and its really going to ruin the continuity of the three films. James Cameron must be rolling in his grave.

He's still alive...

At least the Sarah Connor Chronicles pilot was good.

[borgmatrix]

He's still alive...
Indeed, he is. And I'm greatly looking forward to his Avatar.

And I'm not particularly excited about this Terminator series, either. Like others, I'm a bit puzzled as to how its supposed to make any sense given the opening of T3.

Is there some story point that'll make it fit or are they ignoring T3? Or am I maybe not remembering exactly what was stated in T3? I recall a clear implication that Connor hadn't seen anything since T2 to flat-out indicate that they were still on course for a war-filled future, but feared they hadn't changed anything in T2. :confused:

[P-Ray]

Also, I thought that when they film Terminator: Salvation, it was going to continue from T3?

Could The Sarah Connor Chronicles take place prior to events in T3 and before she dies?

[kopernikuz]

I can't remember the beginning of T3, but I thought it was clear from the first two Terminators that obviously "something" happened after T2 because it helped "train and prepare" Connor to be the heroic answer the future needed. To me it would seem T3 was the erroneous story, not this series, but maybe I missed something.

[Morridini]

The Sarah Connor chronicles take place between T2 and T3, the problem however is that they meet Terminators. And John had not met any Terminators since T2 and before he met Arnold in T3.

Either it will be out of continuity, or they will fix it somehow. Perhaps John gets a memory loss at the end of the series?

[borgmatrix]

The Sarah Connor chronicles take place between T2 and T3, the problem however is that they meet Terminators. And John had not met any Terminators since T2 and before he met Arnold in T3.
That's what I thought. At the end of T2, they thought they had prevented Judgment Day from occuring. Early in T3, we see that despite that belief, John was still living in fear. Hadn't he been moving from location to location, even maybe changed his name, fearing that perhaps they'd failed and that the war was still coming? And then, of course, as the movie went on he received confirmation when encountering the Terminators from the future.

Perhaps John gets a memory loss at the end of the series?
That wouldn't be very satisfying.

[Morridini]

No no, far from satisfying. But it would really clean up the mess.

However, before we rush into this line of though too much maybe someone should take another look at T3, just to be 100% sure of what was actualy said.

[kopernikuz]

I do know Connor was living "off the grid" (his words). If he and Sarah truly believed T2 was the end, then they would have less reason to fear being "on the grid"... they clearly never got over their fear of computers gone mental and wanted to stay hidden. Perhaps because of the events set forth in the show...

Yeah, it may conflict some dialogue in T3... but I still think it's a fun idea and worth a look.

[P-Ray]

Yeah, it may conflict some dialogue in T3... but I still think it's a fun idea and worth a look.
I agree!

The show looks like some effort may have been put into it!

[P-Ray]

I do know Connor was living "off the grid" (his words). If he and Sarah truly believed T2 was the end, then they would have less reason to fear being "on the grid"... they clearly never got over their fear of computers gone mental and wanted to stay hidden. Perhaps because of the events set forth in the show...


That's true! In the beginning of T3, he was still in "hiding" and afraid to go public!

[borgmatrix]

Yeah, it may conflict some dialogue in T3... but I still think it's a fun idea and worth a look.
It might be fun, but I can't get over the dialogue conflicts. Connor specifically references Cyberdyne and their attempts to prevent Judgment Day from T2 when talking with Arnold's Terminator in T3. Connor wouldn't have been in such shock/surprise/denial about them still being on course for JD if he'd been battling and running from Terminators between T2 and T3.

Unless we get some kind of mindwipe, it's going to be tough to reconcile this new series with the way things are portrayed in T3. I don't think writers should be forcing stories into continuity, no matter how fun, but instead should be finding stories they can tell.

[kopernikuz]

Well if you want to watch the show, you have to pretend T3 didn't happen...

... the producers and writers are. It's official:

iF: People are already having issues with TERMINATOR 3: RISE OF THE MACHINES and how this new show fits into continuity, but in science fiction you can accept that time has branched and now you have alternate timelines with different outcomes existing simultaneous alongside each other.

FRIEDMAN: Right! And that’s all it is. That’s was the way I used to want to describe it, with time branching and parallel times and that made me happy as a fan, and then I realized I would have a hard time explaining that to studio executives. So, I had to say T3 doesn’t exist; we’re T3 and let’s just go forward. Then they all got it and it was a lot easier for them to understand. It’s hard to go with time travel theory.

iF: TERMINATOR 3 brought Hunter Killer Terminators into the modern timeline. Any chance we’ll be seeing HKs popping up in the series as Skynet evolves to keep itself around for the future war?

FRIEDMAN: Probably later rather than sooner. You have to have something to do with season two. [Laughs]

iF: So your series is expanding on the human drama aspect more than the huge action aspect of the movies right?

FRIEDMAN: There has always been human drama at the core of the TERMINATOR story, so yes, that’s where I focus, is between a mother and her son.
iF: Well, it’s nice to see the icon that has become Sarah Connor get her own series that focuses on her, because she really is such a great character.

FRIEDMAN: That’s what I thought and that’s why I love this series. That’s what I didn’t like about T3. It’s not that it’s a horrible movie, but it’s not Sarah, and I think that’s what’s at the core of the problems fans have with the movie. That movie was missing the emotional center of what happened to Sarah since the last movie, and I missed her, everybody did. I think even the producers would say that they missed Sarah in that movie.

Full article here: http://ifmagazine.com/feature.asp?article=2596

Well, like it or not... there it is... T3 is Highlander 2... it never happened. I didn't dislike it, but it was panned a little... maybe they decided to ignore it and cut losses? Hrm....

I get their point... my wife for example is kind of interested in this show because Sarah Connor is the main reason she liked T2... the same reason she likes Ripley from Aliens... she likes women who take care of business, lol... so it was a disappointment for her to see T3 with no Sarah. Honestly, it was a disappointment to me as well, but I still thought they did okay with it. It wasn't terrible.

[P-Ray]

Well, like it or not... there it is... T3 is Highlander 2... it never happened. I didn't dislike it, but it was panned a little... maybe they decided to ignore it and cut losses? Hrm....

I get their point... my wife for example is kind of interested in this show because Sarah Connor is the main reason she liked T2... the same reason she likes Ripley from Aliens... she likes women who take care of business, lol... so it was a disappointment for her to see T3 with no Sarah. Honestly, it was a disappointment to me as well, but I still thought they did okay with it. It wasn't terrible.
However, like I posted earlier, Terminator Salvation is taking place after and continuing from T3!

[kopernikuz]

That's the movie... this is the show... different writers... different producers... apparently different worlds. But then again, even if they were ignoring T3 for the series AND the T4 movie, there's no reason the "events" of T3 couldn't still happen for T4 to happen. Just some dialogue, lol. All of this has me wanting to watch T3 again to find out what all they actually did say... Not tonight though... too tired... I think I'll check it out in the morning though.

[P-Ray]

That's the movie... this is the show... different writers... different producers... apparently different worlds. But then again, even if they were ignoring T3 for the series AND the T4 movie, there's no reason the "events" of T3 couldn't still happen for T4 to happen. Just some dialogue, lol.
Apparently!

And I'm okay with that personally!

[kopernikuz]

I was just taking a look at a transcript of the movie... and in the beginning he refers to "no bombs dropped"... "we stopped Judgement Day"... obviously we assume he refers to the events of T2 (and is of course)... but if we wanted to play with the wording, he could mean that AND the other events of their lives after T2... because he also says:

"I should feel safe... but I don't... that's why I live off the grid..." or somesuch.

Then in the conversation with Arnie, he says "you shouldn't be here... we stopped Judgement Day..." and Arnie says "you can't stop Judgement Day... it is inevitable..."

I mean, it's pretty thin and flimsy... but one could make a very loose case that they're referring to T2 AND subsequent events that made them beleive things would be okay. This works with T2's theatrical ending, which simply had Sarah saying "The unknown future... I face it for the first time with a sense of hope..." and then that sappy stuff about a machine helping us feel... blah blah blah... :P LOL.

Really, if you can just rectify in your mind that John is referring to T2 (and subsequent events) in T3 then you can accept this as good. Because the ending of T2 (the theatrical one, not the scripted one or alternate ones) doesn't actually imply that Judgement Day is not still a real possibility. The future, as Sarah says, is still "unknown"... it'll be up to humanity to make sure it stays that way... hence the fight in Conner Chronicles, because obviously it isn't.

Cameron himself leaves this possiblity of branching timelines open by making the implausability of Reese being Connor's dad, which he explained with the branching timeline theory. (still doesn't work in my opinion, but whatever, lol). So you've got the inevitability of Judgement Day needing to be re-stopped over and over again, since they can keep sending people back in time to start things over again.

My head hurts... nothing I typed made real sense, but it uses Cameronian logic, so it must work... :P I dunno...

I wasn't so impressed with T3 that I'm not willing to ignore it and give the show a chance, now if they tried to ignore T2... I'd picket. That film rocks socks.

[P-Ray]

I was just taking a look at a transcript of the movie... and in the beginning he refers to "no bombs dropped"... "we stopped Judgement Day"... obviously we assume he refers to the events of T2 (and is of course)... but if we wanted to play with the wording, he could mean that AND the other events of their lives after T2... because he also says:

"I should feel safe... but I don't... that's why I live off the grid..." or somesuch.

Then in the conversation with Arnie, he says "you shouldn't be here... we stopped Judgement Day..." and Arnie says "you can't stop Judgement Day... it is inevitable..."

I mean, it's pretty thin and flimsy... but one could make a very loose case that they're referring to T2 AND subsequent events that made them beleive things would be okay. This works with T2's theatrical ending, which simply had Sarah saying "The unknown future... I face it for the first time with a sense of hope..." and then that sappy stuff about a machine helping us feel... blah blah blah... :P LOL.

Really, if you can just rectify in your mind that John is referring to T2 (and subsequent events) in T3 then you can accept this as good. Because the ending of T2 (the theatrical one, not the scripted one or alternate ones) doesn't actually imply that Judgement Day is not still a real possibility. The future, as Sarah says, is still "unknown"... it'll be up to humanity to make sure it stays that way... hence the fight in Conner Chronicles, because obviously it isn't.

Cameron himself leaves this possiblity of branching timelines open by making the implausability of Reese being Connor's dad, which he explained with the branching timeline theory. (still doesn't work in my opinion, but whatever, lol). So you've got the inevitability of Judgement Day needing to be re-stopped over and over again, since they can keep sending people back in time to start things over again.

My head hurts... nothing I typed made real sense, but it uses Cameronian logic, so it must work... :P I dunno...

I wasn't so impressed with T3 that I'm not willing to ignore it and give the show a chance, now if they tried to ignore T2... I'd picket. That film rocks socks.
I thought did you did a great job of explaining and justifying!

But really, The Sarah Chronicles fits in less with the ending of T2 than it does with T3, IMO.

And BTW, I really liked T3. Yes, I did miss the Sarah Connor character but I still liked what they did with the movie. Especially since Cameron decided not to involve himself.

[kopernikuz]

Why do you think it fits less with T2? To me, BM is right... the only odd dialogue is now the dialogue in T3 where John feels Judgement Day was eliminated foe good... when in all actuality it was only postponed. At the end of T2, Sarah narrates that the future is still "unknown" and only if humanity can blah blah blah will they be safe... but at least now she has "hope". I think anything could happen after the ending of T2... anything at all.

Also, there was the gaping hole of Arnie's arm still stuck in the machine at the steel plant. They seemed to be pretty sure they needed to destroy the chip AND the arm from the original Arnie that Cyberdyne had in order to prevent JD, because they were using the tech from it. Yet, during the battle with the T-1000 Arnie #2 loses his arm as well. When they lower him into the steel with Cyberdyne's property, they do not bother to retrieve this other arm, still stuck back in the machine somewhere else in the plant.

I think T2 left things wide open for all kinds of speculatory films or TV shows. It's T3 that seems to close the door on any "in-between" adventures, simply because John appears to think things are copacetic. But again, one could use the loosest kind of argument to convince themselves that John was referring to the events of JD AND SCC ;)

Now the original scripted alternate ending of T2 leaves no room for T3 or ANYTHING for that matter, because it depicts Sarah old and gray and John is like a Senator or something. I can only assume Cameron was gently nudged away from this ending by the studio who were thinking more sequels = more money, lol.

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Why do you think it fits less with T2? To me, BM is right... the only odd dialogue is now the dialogue in T3 where John feels Judgement Day was eliminated foe good... when in all actuality it was only postponed. At the end of T2, Sarah narrates that the future is still "unknown" and only if humanity can blah blah blah will they be safe... but at least now she has "hope". I think anything could happen after the ending of T2... anything at all.

Also, there was the gaping hole of Arnie's arm still stuck in the machine at the steel plant. They seemed to be pretty sure they needed to destroy the chip AND the arm from the original Arnie that Cyberdyne had in order to prevent JD, because they were using the tech from it. Yet, during the battle with the T-1000 Arnie #2 loses his arm as well. When they lower him into the steel with Cyberdyne's property, they do not bother to retrieve this other arm, still stuck back in the machine somewhere else in the plant.


Okay...I was thinking that the end of T2, Sarah made a some sort of statement that the threat was eliminated. It seemed like she finalized it!

And the Terminator arm left in the machine was actually how I thought they they were going to explain the events in T3 before I saw it!

[borgmatrix]

Well if you want to watch the show, you have to pretend T3 didn't happen...
That I don't like. At all. I mean, there are still plans for T4, right? So what, we're going to have two different takes proceeding out of T2? To me, that's insane and unnecessary.

T3 wasn't brilliant, but it was good. I liked it. It continued the story well and brought us to JD and the war against the machines, which is something I'm looking forward to seeing in another movie. So if we eventually get T4, where's it jumping off of? The tv series or T3? I really hope when T4 arrives that it ignores the tv series.

she likes women who take care of business, lol... so it was a disappointment for her to see T3 with no Sarah.
I'll admit Sarah's the one reason I'd be interested in the series. But, I've also gotta admit that's really due to Lena Headey. :)

[kopernikuz]

Well, I just watched the first episode. I don't know how they'll handle T4, but it sounds likely the show is just it's own thing. It definitely seems to be moving forward as if T3 is not a reality, other than the fact they both agree JD wasn't stopped, only pre-empted... if only because the very first episode they visit Dyson's family and decide to move forward in trying to prevent Skynet... again.

I won't spoil it by saying how, though it's pretty cool how they bring it into the "now" if you will, considering the space of time between T2's release and this show... but I liked it alright. No, I will probably never be able to draw the lines between the dots of T2, the show, and T3 or even T4... but whatever... as long as it continues to entertain, I'm giving it a shot. I'm looking forward to the Monday episode to see where it goes next.

[Tovor]

There is something else that no one seems to be focused on. That is, if they had truly prevented Skynet's creation at the end of T2, then John Conner himself would have, at the moment the chip was destroyed, been "deleted" from existance.

Kyle Reese was born in the prisoner camp because of Skynet's existance and the war against humankind it was waging. Reese was sent back in time by Conner, because of Skynet; Reese met Sarah because of Skynet; Reese impregnated Sarah and caused John Conner's existance, because of Skynet. If Skynet had not been created, and the Terminator not been created, then by cause and affect, John Conner would not have been created.

Thus, if they had truly caused the prevention of Skynet's creation at the end of T2, then John Conner would have ceased to exist. Furthermore, if Skynet's creation was prevented, then there would have been no Terminator and no John Conner to help Sarah prevent its creation.

If Skynet's creation in the future was prevented by those in the past, then there would not have been cause or ability for those in the past to prevent the creation of that which led to them preventing its creation. When one cancels out the other which caused the one, then one can not be in the position to cancel out the other. Thus, it's an infinite paradox.

My head hurts from writing that. :scratchchin:

[borgmatrix]

There is something else that no one seems to be focused on. That is, if they had truly prevented Skynet's creation at the end of T2, then John Conner himself would have, at the moment the chip was destroyed, been "deleted" from existance.
Oh yeah, I noted that. It was one reason I knew they'd failed and that there'd be more of the story (which was, I guess, obvious anyway because how could they resist sequels :)).

But my point in mentioning T2 and their apparant victory was just that by T3 Connor was still thinking they'd seemed to have succeeded (even if in the back of his mind he knew/believed otherwise) and was looking back to their actions in T2 as being the reason, which obviously meant nothing overt happened between T2 and T3 and therefore having a series set between the two made no sense.

As kop has said, one can fudge a little bit with that. And, as he's also noted, fudging isn't even an issue since they're just ignoring T3 all together.

If the show's its own thing, that's cool, I guess. If they've really got a great story/arc to tell that makes it worthwhile, then great. I just hope it doesn't make a mess of the whole thing if the movie series continues. Sometimes simplicity can be a good thing, and I hope having multiple but separate Terminator series isn't going to be a problem.

[Morridini]

Well, I just watched the first episode.

They have begun sending the series? Or was it the old pilot you saw?

[P-Ray]

There is something else that no one seems to be focused on. That is, if they had truly prevented Skynet's creation at the end of T2, then John Conner himself would have, at the moment the chip was destroyed, been "deleted" from existance.

Kyle Reese was born in the prisoner camp because of Skynet's existance and the war against humankind it was waging. Reese was sent back in time by Conner, because of Skynet; Reese met Sarah because of Skynet; Reese impregnated Sarah and caused John Conner's existance, because of Skynet. If Skynet had not been created, and the Terminator not been created, then by cause and affect, John Conner would not have been created.

Thus, if they had truly caused the prevention of Skynet's creation at the end of T2, then John Conner would have ceased to exist. Furthermore, if Skynet's creation was prevented, then there would have been no Terminator and no John Conner to help Sarah prevent its creation.

If Skynet's creation in the future was prevented by those in the past, then there would not have been cause or ability for those in the past to prevent the creation of that which led to them preventing its creation. When one cancels out the other which caused the one, then one can not be in the position to cancel out the other. Thus, it's an infinite paradox.

My head hurts from writing that. :scratchchin:
:doh:Very true! Good point!

And my head hurts from reading it!:laughing:

[kopernikuz]

Well, Tov... I didn't want to get in to the whole Reese is John's dad garbage, the one niggling thing about T2 I always hated because of the bizarre paradoxes and time travel illogic it created, I also didn't want to start any kind of debate on it, lol. Though I did mention Cameron used the branching timelines as his excuse for how it could be (though it can't :P)

But you're right... there are any number of possibilities because of that...

And it's the pilot that is airing tomorrow night that I saw... I'll not mention how I got to see it, but I did. I'll be darned, but I buy Headley as Sarah... it works for me. The only odd thing is that "Cameron" (a nod to James of course), the female terminator, shows too much smiley emotion at the beginning and then suddenly once we realize what she is, she becomes very straight faced the rest of the show. Didn't seem to fit. I'm sure she's programmed to be a cute bubbly teen at one moment to fit in, but maybe doesn't do it when it's not necessary.

[Morridini]

Ok, not anything new then, when will the first episodes starts airing? Been ages since I saw the pilot, but as far as I remember I liked it.

[P-Ray]

Ok, not anything new then, when will the first episodes starts airing? Been ages since I saw the pilot, but as far as I remember I liked it.
It airs tonight for me! Then the next episode airs tommorrow night!

[empire21]

It airs tonight for me! Then the next episode airs tommorrow night!

Watch the second episode be on at 8 tomorrow night when Atlantis is on. :mad:

Crap!

[P-Ray]

Watch the second episode be on at 8 tomorrow night when Atlantis is on. :mad:

Crap!
It's on at 9pm here!

[P-Ray]

some reviews of first 2 Sarah Connor Chronicles episodes!

http://www.aintitcoolnews.com/node/35265

[empire21]

It's on at 9pm here!

I just checked and it's on at 9pm here also on Monday. Sweet! :yeah:

[P-Ray]

I just checked and it's on at 9pm here also on Monday. Sweet! :yeah:
Then it sounds like you have 2 good hours to watch:wink:

[P-Ray]

I really enjoyed the first Sarah Connor Chronicles episode!


BTW, can a Mod change this thread title to just Terminator, Please?

[P-Ray]

T3 wasn't brilliant, but it was good. I liked it. It continued the story well and brought us to JD and the war against the machines, which is something I'm looking forward to seeing in another movie. So if we eventually get T4, where's it jumping off of? The tv series or T3? I really hope when T4 arrives that it ignores the tv series.

A television series titled Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles is currently in production for the FOX network, with Lena Headey (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lena_Headey) as Sarah Connor and Thomas Dekker (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Dekker_%28actor%29) as John Connor. The series, created by Josh Friedman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josh_Friedman), will center on Sarah and John after Terminator 2 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terminator_2) as they try to "live under the radar" after the explosion at Cyberdyne (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyberdyne). Based on the trailer, Summer Glau (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Summer_Glau) will play a female terminator protecting the Connors, with at least one more terminator villain. Executive producer James Middleton confirmed in Variety that the series will contain a link to Terminator 4.

I got this from wikipedia!

[empire21]

BTW, can a Mod change this thread title to just Terminator, Please?

Done. I've also included TV in the title. :wink:

[P-Ray]

Done. I've also included TV in the title. :wink:
Thanx Bro! You da man!:cool::rockon:

[P-Ray]

Interview for T:SCC about writers strike etc.!

http://www.dvdactive.com/news/releases/justice-league-the-new-frontier.html

[P-Ray]

Excellent 2nd episode!

I think that little twist should solve the continuity problems with T3 if I'm not mistaken:wink:

[P-Ray]

Fox’s “Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles” apparently scored the highest-rated scripted broadcast debut in three years and the season's biggest debut in any format, besting even the muscular launch of “American Gladiators” earlier this month.


AICN.com

[P-Ray]

^Same story from comingsoon.net!

http://www.comingsoon.net/news/tvnews.php?id=40901

[empire21]

Excellent 2nd episode!

I think that little twist should solve the continuity problems with T3 if I'm not mistaken:wink:

Crap, I fell asleep half way through. :(

[P-Ray]

Crap, I fell asleep half way through. :(
Well, it totally erases anything in T3 now!:wink:

[kopernikuz]

Which will not make T3 fans happy.... and actually will only make T4 that much more confusing for those unable to separate everything in their heads when it comes out. Will it follow the book or the movies?

Honestly... I don't see a need for T4 to follow either... it's about the resistance which "happened" "will happen" whatever, regardless. Technically it could be the future that "would have happened" had Skynet not been stopped... WHATEVER... it's just the future that is inevitable as long as John Connor stays alive long enough to live it. So you can justify that story in any number of ways... timelines, ignoring series, ignoring T3, whatever...

[Morridini]

Which will not make T3 fans happy.... and actually will only make T4 that much more confusing for those unable to separate everything in their heads when it comes out. Will it follow the book or the movies?

There is a book as well now?

[kopernikuz]

OOPS... I meant series, LOL... duh... but there are some books. I haven't read them and I'm not sure I want to further muddy the waters of continuity here, lol.