Legacy of the Force

[DarthSolo]

So im reading about this 9 book series that Troy Denning and Aaron Allston are slated to write three books each in (leaving one more author to be announced). Ive read in most places that it is supposed to be a post NJO series, but i also saw somewhere that its going to go along with the KOTOR timeline... ummm, those to timelines are drastically apart from eachother.
Now, im pretty sure its gonne be post NJO, but im a bit skeptical just because the Dark Nest trilogy by Denning due out startin in march 05. It just seems like they are throwing a whole lot of books at the same era, and with Denning have control of half of them. seems strange to me, maybe just me. can anyone help clarify?

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From Sue Rostoni's blog (http://blogs.starwars.com/eeusuestornii/4):

Here are the actual publication days for the Legacy of the Force books:

Book 1 - Betrayal by Aaron Allston (Hardcover): 5/30/06

Book 2 - Bloodlines by Karen Traviss (Mass market): 8/29/06

Book 3 - Tempest by Troy Denning (Mass market): 11/28/06

Book 4 - by Aaron Allston (Mass market): 3/06/07

Book 5 - by Karen Traviss (Hardcover): 6/05/07

Book 6 - by Troy Denning (Mass market): 9/04/07

Book 7 - by Aaron Allston (Mass market): 11/06/07

Book 8 - by Karen Traviss (Mass market): 3/04/08

Book 9 - by Troy Denning (Hardcover): 6/03/08

[Nathan Butler]

These 9 are post-NJO. Several years, as I recall, after Dark Nest. There is ANOTHER possibly trilogy to be set in the TOTJ/KOTOR period. It was originally slated for that era to be the 9-book series, but they changed their minds.

[Lunatic]

Dark Nest Trilogy
-Troy Denning

Then the 9 books (5 to 10 year after NJO)
-Troy Denning
-Aaron Allston
-Unmentioned author (maybe now.. I didn't check)

Probably a Hardcover + 2 paperback each.

postNJO1 - june 2006 (hardcover)
postNJO2 - september 2006 (paperback)
postNJO3 - december 2006 (paperback)

I think thats about it. I might have made some mistakes...

[Suzanne (ex CoS Leia)]

Originally posted by Lunatic@Aug 18 2004, 12:01 PM
Dark Nest Trilogy
-Troy Denning

Then the 9 books (5 to 10 year after NJO)
-Troy Denning
-Aaron Allston
-Unmentioned author (maybe now.. I didn't check)

Probably a Hardcover + 2 paperback each.

postNJO1 - june 2006 (hardcover)
postNJO2 - september 2006 (paperback)
postNJO3 - december 2006 (paperback)

I think thats about it. I might have made some mistakes...
Just to clarify ... Denning's Dark Nest trilogy will be approx 5 years post NJO, the 9 book series will be approx 5 years after this ie 10 years post NJO.

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[Ripley the Warmaster]

<span style="color:blue">There is also the Coruscant Nights trilogy by Mike Reaves. It's going to be post-ROTS and feature the surviving characters from MedStar. I'm actually looking forward to the Sith Era novels and Coruscant Nights a lot more than the post-NJO books.</span>

[DarthSolo]

im looking forward to all of them, even though ive gotten very little info. btw thanks for clearin that stuff up!

[Whuffa]

I hope it isn't another huge threat post NJO, give our heroes a little break guys! But I am looking forward to all of the upcoming books!

[Sabrina Fried]

I'm also looking forward to the new books, but I know if its not going to be another 'half-crazed civilization bent on galactic domination' its gonna be a superweapon.

Come to think of it, we haven't had one of those in a few books...


j/k


Sabrina

[Lunatic]

SuperWeapon?!?

Not Kevin J. again!! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/giveup.gif

Lmao! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif Just kidding, I like Kevin style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/happy.gif

[goodwije]

yea well if it isnt someone bent on taking over the galaxy or a new outside threat, or even a super weapon what could a series of books be about?

[DarthSolo]

im willing to bet thre threat is decent sized, considering we are dedicating 9 books at least 2 years and three authors to it, im guessing itll be something big. not as big asthe Yuuzhan Vong who earned 19 books plus 2 ebooks and other various things, but good sized. know what im sayin?

[Whuffa]

I've already said this but maybe it'll have something to do wit the Shadow Academy since Ryan was kidnapped and Dark Nest will obviously deal with that and maybe Dark Nest is a prelude to the 9 book series. Or maybe the Sith will resurface (I hope not though), or maybe, since the books were supposed to be in the KOTOR era, they'll find the remains of the ancient sith empire (the one from Golden Age of the Sith) and unlock some deadly secrets. Whatever it is, I have a feeling it'll deal with the Dark Side. Maybe it'll have something to do with Revenge of the Sith? Who Knows? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/chortle.gif So many possibilities, but I have to say that SW books have never looked this diverse and this promising!

[Suzanne (ex CoS Leia)]

original post deleted - on re-reading what you wrote, whuffa, I think you know what you mean within the context of this thread, but it seemed somewhat confusing to me. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

Given the the 9 book series is to be set 5 years later I think it is likely to relate to an entirely new threat to that contained in the Darl Nest trilogy.

[Whuffa]

Sorry for the confusion style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif , I meant since the books were first suposed to be set in the KOTOR era maybe it still has something to do with the original idea, and maybe the two books that will be set in the KOTOR era will relate to these. (Kinda like Rogue Planet, which is sort of the prequel "companion book" to the NJO). Remember, Luke did leave for Ossus at the end of The Unifying Force and maybe he unlocked some ancient deadly secrets there, since Ossus was a major jedi planet in tke KOTOR era.

[Soontir Solo]

I am really excited about the post-NJO stuff coming out. I could care less about the other stuff really. I have always liked the post ROTJ EU novels more than the others. Shadows of the Empire and Cloak of Deception were good of course but no other pre-ROTJ EU comes close to teh X-Wing Series, Thrawn Trilogy, Hand of Thrawn Duology, and New Jedi Order Series, in my opinion of course.

[Suzanne (ex CoS Leia)]

It seems that we do not have a thread for this series:
http://www.starwars.com/eu/news/2004/09/news20040915.html

(edit: actually we do - hence the merging style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif)

It may be quite some time before the first of the series is released (June 2006) but the story conference will be happening in the next few weeks.

With the authors being Troy Denning (Star by Star, Tattoine Ghost), Aaron Allston (Wraith Sqaudron books of the x-wing series, Enemy Lines duology in the NJO) and Karen Traviss (the newly released Republic Commando: Hard Contact) this series holds an enormous amount of potential.

It is to be set at some as yet undetermined time after the conlcusion of the Dark Nest Trilogy (Denning's trilogy commencing in June next year and under discussion in this thread:
http://www.galacticsenate.com/index.php?showtopic=10390 ).

I for one can't wait.

At TOS we have been given the release dates for the books by Sue Rostoni from LFL as follows:

June 06 hardover: Allston
Sep 06 paperback: Traviss
Dec 06 paperback: Denning

Mar 07 paperback: Allston
June 07 hardcover: Traviss
Sep 07 paperback: Denning
Dec 07 paperback: Allston

Mar 08 paperback: Traviss
June 08 hardcover: Denning

[Tresk Im'nel]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>With the authors being Troy Denning (Star by Star, Tattoine Ghost), Aaron Allston (Wraith Sqaudron books of the x-wing series, Enemy Lines duology in the NJO) and Karen Traviss (the newly released Republic Commando: Hard Contact) this series holds an enormous amount of potential.[/b][/quote]

Inded. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif I'm really looking forward to it.

Hmm. Traviss and Allston being involved would suggest to me that there may be a fairly heavy emphasis on the military side of things... I would expect this to be something about a new threat, probably from the Unknown Regions and probably not connected to Dark Nest. It'll probably be somewhere between the Black Fleet Crisis and the NJO in terms of magnitude...

Of course I'm just guessing here. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif Either way, I think it'll probably be very good, given that Allston and Denning are in on it (haven't read HC yet, so I can't really say what I think of Traviss, but first impression are favourable...) At least I think we can hope for something a bit better than the BFC... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

(My apologies in advance to Michael P. Kube-McDowall and fans of the Black Fleet Crisis. The series did have some good points... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif)

[Suzanne (ex CoS Leia)]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Hmm. Traviss and Allston being involved suggest to me that there may be a fairly heavy emphasis on the military side of things... [/b][/quote]

absolutely ... with both a space (Allston) and ground (Traviss) component. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[Tresk Im'nel]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>absolutely ... with both a space (Allston) and ground (Traviss) component.[/b][/quote]

Good point. Although I'm sure either one can handle either aspect to some degree... It would be interesting if they each wrote with slightly different emphasis and the novels overlapped a bit with each other, following different characters at the same time. However, I'd expect a more linear approach...

[Suzanne (ex CoS Leia)]

Given that they haven't even had their story conference yet our assumptions may be way off beam - but I would have thought that they were contracted with their strengths in mind.

Allston has included some ground conflict in his books, and it's early days for Traviss so anything is possible.

[Tresk Im'nel]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Given that they haven't even had their story conference yet our assumptions may be way off beam - but I would have thought that they were contracted with their strengths in mind.

Allston has included some ground conflict in his books, and it's early days for Traviss so anything is possible.[/b][/quote]

Indeed. And I think you are on to something there... Speaking of which, with Denning involved, do you think that means there's a fair chance of Han Leia and Luke showing up again? This may even be the series where Luke and Leia find out about Padmé...

[Suzanne (ex CoS Leia)]

I'm still hoping that the delay in publication of the Dark Nest trilogy means that they will make the big discovery in those books - but if not then I would have no doubt at all that it will be in this trilogy.

Denning has repeatedly said that he prefers to work with the classic characters so his inclusion seems to indicate that they have something in store for them. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[Tresk Im'nel]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>I'm still hoping that the delay in publication of the Dark Nest trilogy means that they will make the big discovery in those books - but if not then I would have no doubt at all that it will be in this trilogy.[/b][/quote]

Hmm, there's still some hope for DN, but I thought I'd heard someone say that was out. However you've been following Sue Rostoni's comments more closely than I have, so I'm likely wrong about that. (Actually, I think it was a bit of speculation on the part of a fellow poster, now that I recall...)

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Denning has repeatedly said that he prefers to work with the classic characters so his inclusion seems to indicate that they have something in store for them.[/b][/quote]

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I really do think he writes Leia better than any other EU author. I think it is a fairly safe bet that if he's in on this series, the classic characters will be back once more. Although after this they may be retirement bound. I wonder if they'll continue the EU beyond that point in the timeline or just fall back on ROTS-ANH gap Dark Times and Sith Era novels...

[Suzanne (ex CoS Leia)]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Hmm, there's still some hope for DN, but I thought I'd heard someone say that was out. However you've been following Sue Rostoni's comments more closely than I have, so I'm likely wrong about that. (Actually, I think it was a bit of speculation on the part of a fellow poster, now that I recall...)[/b][/quote]

I think you're thinking of something Dark Spork posted about her views, not any specific knowledge that she had ...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>I really do think he writes Leia better than any other EU author. I think it is a fairly safe bet that if he's in on this series, the classic characters will be back once more. Although after this they may be retirement bound. I wonder if they'll continue the EU beyond that point in the timeline or just fall back on ROTS-ANH gap Dark Times and Sith Era novels...[/b][/quote]

Absolutely ... and I doubt that they have any idea where they are headed, especially given that this 9 book series was originally going to be sith era, and then they totally changed their mind and brought it to the opposite end of the spectrum.

I suppose it may depend on how successful this series is.

[Tresk Im'nel]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>I think youj're thinking of something Dark Spork posted about her views, not any specific knowledge that she had ...[/b][/quote]

Oh, right, that's it. Sorry. I think I lent it some credence because she's a mod at TOS, but now that I recall it did just sound like speculation...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Absolutely ... and I doubt that they have any idea where they are headed, especially given that this 9 book series was originally going to be sith era, and then they totally changed their mind and brought it to the opposite end of the spectrum.

I suppose it may depend on how successful this series is.[/b][/quote]

Very true. Personally, I'd kind of like to see a novel with the "next generation" characters as adults, although this series will fit that bill in the case of some of the older ones. But it would be nice to see something with Jacen, Jaina and Jag middle aged and Ben Skywalker, Valin Horn, Syal and Myri Antilles and Leia Celchu (style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif j/k) as adults...

EDIT: Sorry, sometimes I get carried away with being free of the TOS creative submission restrictions. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

[Suzanne (ex CoS Leia)]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Leia Celchu [/b][/quote]

Pffft. You wish. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

[Tresk Im'nel]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Pffft. You wish.[/b][/quote]

Yes I do. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif See edit. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

[Ripley the Warmaster]

<span style="color:blue">Almost no interest in this series.</span>

[housse]

Why, Sniper?

[Dark Spork]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Oh, right, that's it. Sorry. I think I lent it some credence because she's a mod at TOS, but now that I recall it did just sound like speculation...
[/b][/quote]

I don't know jack about anything. Well, no more than what's in this thread...

I don't WANT them to really find out about Padme (I've seen way too much handmaiden-springs-out-of-nowhere-and-springs-all fanfic.) but they're gonna do it eventually, and seeing as we now know that Dark Nest takes place in the Unknown Regions... This one seems more likely.

Poo.

[Kapit]

i personally feel that if they ever do reveal that padme was their mother, it should be the very last SW book ever

so basically, it won't be for a long time

[BoHeDia]

^i dont see how that would make any sense...

[Kapit]

it would be a good way to end the saga, by finally revealing who padme was

[Ripley the Warmaster]

Originally posted by housse@Oct 30 2004, 10:08 AM
Why, Sniper?
<div align="right">Quoted post</div>

<span style="color:blue">I don't see how it won't end up in a bantam rehash situation, and I flat out refuse to by an Allston novel in hardback.</span>

[Tresk Im'nel]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>it would be a good way to end the saga, by finally revealing who padme was[/b][/quote]

Maybe, but I think it's likelier that they'd just end Luke and Leia's story with that and have them retire into the background after that. There's still room for the younger generation's story to continue after that, IMO.

Or...I know I've suggested this before, maybe they'll invent a whole new Star Wars era centuries or even a couple millennia after the OT, with none of the familiar characters still alive even.

[Kapit]

both ideas are great, tresk!!

i agree with you, it would be a good way to end luke and leia's story

and i like the idea of having stories WAY in the future, kinda like KOTOR

[Tresk Im'nel]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>both ideas are great, tresk!!

i agree with you, it would be a good way to end luke and leia's story[/b][/quote]

Thanks. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>and i like the idea of having stories WAY in the future, kinda like KOTOR[/b][/quote]

Yeah, it could be really neat, a lot like KOTOR, but "in reverse." style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif That way they could have a lot of fun with all the things that have changed in 4,000 years or however long, like having an Alliance/Republic (whatever they're calling it at that point) fleet task force commanded by an Ewok, a Yuuzhan Vong Jedi Master or maybe the Chief of State of the Republic could be a Chiss if their isolationist stance has changed... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

[Suzanne (ex CoS Leia)]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Yeah, it could be really neat, a lot like KOTOR, but "in reverse." wink.gif That way they could have a lot of fun with all the things that have changed in 4,000 years or however long, like having an Alliance/Republic (whatever they're calling it at that point) fleet task force commanded by an Ewok, a Yuuzhan Vong Jedi Master or maybe the Chief of State of the Republic could be a Chiss if their isolationist stance has changed... wink.gif[/b][/quote]

You really are taking advantage of the non-TOS limit on fanfic board aren't you? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

[Kapit]

so many possiblities....

[Tresk Im'nel]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>You really are taking advantage of the non-TOS limit on fanfic board aren't you?[/b][/quote]

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It can be so much more fun this way... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

-"You've failed, Your Excellency, I am a Jeedai Knight, like my father before me..."

[BoHeDia]

^thats great...lol...your too funny...Jeedai, HA!

[BoHeDia]

you guys are forgeting about Boba Fett, what about him, whats he gonna be up too...

[Soontir Solo]

I think Boba Fett will probably be forgotten now.

[Kapit]

i would like to see some closure to fett eventually

we know he escaped, but to where?

i'd like to see him comeback once more so we can finally have closure on his character

[Tresk Im'nel]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>I think Boba Fett will probably be forgotten now.[/b][/quote]

I don't know, because of Fett's efforts the Mandalorians exist as a cohesive group for the first time since before the Clone Wars. They might re-emerge in who knows what capacity...

[DarthSolo]

Hey, that is something to be aware of in these post-njo books. The mandolarians could be quite a force to be reckoned with now! Maybe Boba has a clone!

[Tresk Im'nel]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Hey, that is something to be aware of in these post-njo books. The mandolarians could be quite a force to be reckoned with now! Maybe Boba has a clone![/b][/quote]

Yeah, remember how important the Mandalorians were in KOTOR...

[BoHeDia]

THE MANDALORIANS SHALL BE A FORCE TO BE RECKONED WITH...

[Kapit]

i don't think in 10 years they have an army

there'll be a few more than 5, yeah, but it's not like they'll be ready to take over the galaxy

[Soontir Solo]

We'll see I guess. Boba is really old though, especially by the time the 9 Book Series comes out. That would put him at probably around like 70.

[Kapit]

sheesh, how was he able to do it in TUF then?

he was 60, wasn't he?

crazy!

[DarthSolo]

I think there is a longer life expectancy for humans in the SW galaxy then ours!

[BoHeDia]

^i think so to, and the fact that he is a clone, so he might live longer then normal humans...

[Suzanne (ex CoS Leia)]

Actually, I think the fact that he's a clone would not change things - the other clones actually have shorter life expectancy because of the growth accelaration processes, but Boba was not subjected to this process so he would not have that problem.

[BoHeDia]

oh, well, i was talking about the fact that he might not be so susecptible to disease and body degradation as normal humans would, he mioght have a geneticly engineered better body...

[Soontir Solo]

Thats a good point Bohemian. I think humans in Star Wars can expect to live longer but old age still affects them in there movement and stamina at the same rate it does real life humans, in my opinion.

[BoHeDia]

welll...yeah, but boba kicks asss so he deserves to live longer...thats my opinion on it, however lacking in scientific explanation it is...

[Soontir Solo]

Han will have to be pretty old now, well over 50 I'd say.

[Kapit]

he was aboot 50 in the NJO

[Soontir Solo]

Yah, by the end of it anyways. He has to be at least 5 years older than Leia.

[Kapit]

well, he was 21 in ANH

so that puts him at over 50, wouldn't it?

[Soontir Solo]

I didn't even know he was 21 in ANH. Where did you hear that from? I think he had to of been alot older than that. More like 24.

[Kapit]

i think i read it somewheres, i don't remember

even if he was 24, that's even older! he's gotta be pushing 60 in the NJO

[Soontir Solo]

Yah, pretty close. It wouldn't surprise if Han was actually like 28 at the time of ANH, he looked that age at least.

[Kapit]

yeah, and luke and leia were 18, hahahahaha

i gotta find the ages, let me check it out

[Tresk Im'nel]

According to the SWT-G, Han Solo was 29 in ANH, Luke and Leia were 19...

[BoHeDia]

wow, so hans pushing 70 or 80 right?

[DarthSolo]

end of the NJO he would have been 59 by that standard, so 64 i Dark NEst and the nine booker 69.

[Soontir Solo]

Yah, sounds about right Darthsolo. He is getting up there.

[BoHeDia]

Wow, star wars is full of old fogies now...

[Kapit]

anyone think there's a chance that a certain something left on kashyyyk will be needed?

i don't want to spoil anything, but if i must, i will.....

[DarthSolo]

is this ROTS spoiler? cuase if it is, i cant quite make the connection. PM me if its something interesting...

[BoHeDia]

no i dont think it will be needed, if anything, it will be something that the wooks will guard with their lives, and they prolly wont let it go so easy...

[Kapit]

DS, it's a TUF spoiler, i don't want to give away what happens at the nd on kashyyyk, but i was just curious if it would come into play

if you're still confused, drop me a line

[Soontir Solo]

Anakin's Lightsaber stuck in a tree in Kashyyyk with the Chewie monument or whatever? Is that what is being talked about?

[Kapit]

yes, but if anyone who havsn't read the book, i didn't want to spoil it for them

[BoHeDia]

too late, soontirs already done it...lol...

[DarthSolo]

oh, i comppletely blanked out about that!

[Soontir Solo]

I figured I might as well say so.

[Kapit]

so you're thinking it won't be touched?

[DarthSolo]

i think theyll leave it alone, who knows

[Soontir Solo]

I think it stays put. It isn't like it is needed anywhere. Every Jedi should make there own lightsaber.

[BoHeDia]

^ i agree...

[Kapit]

just curious, thanks guys

[Soontir Solo]

The only way it will be removed is if a Jedi is on Kashyyyk fighting for his life and his lightsaber is destroyed and he happens to be by the tree where the lightsaber is..........which isn't very likely.

[BoHeDia]

thats truer, and thats only likely if the dark jedi rise back to power or something...

[Soontir Solo]

I wouldn't mind seeing a war between Light and Dark Jedi. That could be really cool.

[Kapit]

that would be really sweet, and it would be circling the story around, like the "tales of the jedi" comics and the such, but on a much smaller scale

[BoHeDia]

yes, with like stand offs that never really end, instead of having these fights that begin and end in one story...

[DarthSolo]

i actually really hope they develop the Mandolarian army to some extent....

[Master Shrive]

^That wouldn't be bad. However, the mandalorians were the real power back 4,000 years ago and now they're just spread out with no real purpose. I wouldn't mind seeing Boba get involved though.

A dark vs. bad series could also be good. It would have to be done logically though, with a story that made sense as to how the dark side rose.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>The only way it will be removed is if a Jedi is on Kashyyyk fighting for his life and his lightsaber is destroyed and he happens to be by the tree where the lightsaber is..........which isn't very likely. [/b][/quote]

Its Star Wars. Someones bound to end up next to the tree. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

[BoHeDia]

^good poiints, but the mandalorian thing, they might find a bunch of recruits and even outnumber the jedi by that time...

[Soontir Solo]

Since the YV are taken care of Boba Fett might raise a Mandalorian Army to the needed power to take on the Jedi for all we know. I still think he hates the Jedi, he just had to put that aside for a few years when the YV came.

[BoHeDia]

thats true too...and since hans brother in law and children are jedi, well, i looks like old enemies might become nemisis again...

[Soontir Solo]

Perhaps, I wouldn't mind a book where Boba Fett is finally finished off for good, with a head chopped off like a Jedi just like his father.

[BoHeDia]

noooooooooooooooooo!!!

[DarthSolo]

hehe that would be a good ending, but i really think he should have a clone of himself, Fett generation III, the idea behind one of our friend's name here on the GS! Maybe he does, maybe its one of those mandolarians with him in TUF, you never know...

[Soontir Solo]

Its a long shot him having a clone but like you said you never know.

[BoHeDia]

yes, maybe thirdgenfett already knows, maybe he knew all along...

[Soontir Solo]

I highly doubt it.

[BoHeDia]

no, i think he did, i thionk that he knew all about it...

[DarthSolo]

lol

[Soontir Solo]

whatever

[BoHeDia]

lol...

[Ripley the Warmaster]

Originally posted by Sue Rostoni
Expect to see -- Star Wars. We very much want to go back to the pulp Space Opera feel of the original movies (as opposed to hard SciFi). The focus will be character-driven situations, set against a backdrop of perhaps not galactic proportions, but certainly providing opportunities for spectacular space battles and lots of lightsaber action. Expect to see the major characters (Skywalkers and Solos) and many of the minor characters (Jedi Knights), and some old favorites. And, hopefully, a lot of surprises.

And on Ben Skywalker:

He'll be 13 when the series begins and one of the main characters.


<span style="color:red">From the offical site.</span>

[Soontir Solo]

13 sounds about right. He'll be old enough to make an impact on the series as well. Tahiri was only like 13 or 14 when she got involved in the war.

[DarthSolo]

was that from TOS chat boards? and ripley, were you once sniper wolf?

[Soontir Solo]

I am pretty sure he was, just changed the name now.

[Suzanne (ex CoS Leia)]

Originally posted by DarthSolo@Nov 17 2004, 02:42 PM
was that from TOS chat boards? and ripley, were you once sniper wolf?
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Yes, it's a quote from Sue Rostoni (sremmuy):
http://forums.starwars.com/thread.jspa?thr...3010&start=8786 (http://forums.starwars.com/thread.jspa?threadID=93010&start=8786)

[BoHeDia]

ooooooooooh, sounds good...

[Kapit]

update from sue rostini on TOS

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> It is all coming together really well -- such a pleasure to have everyone here so we could have lively and open discussions. We now have strong story threads for the series, plus detailed plot points for the first three books, and high points for the remaining 6 books. We have the beginning, the middle, and the end, and the main story's backdrop (or physical setting). We'll be emailing around ideas, notes, and outlines now, fleshing things out even further before the actual writing begins.

What we don't have is a series title. Argh. [/b][/quote]

[Soontir Solo]

cool

[BoHeDia]

i cant wait...

[Soontir Solo]

If only it wasn't so long away

[Whuffa]

I really like what they're doing with this series. Although I enjoyed both the NJO and the clone wars very much, I was watching the original trilogy again a few weeks ago and I felt that great ''star wars feeling'' that I had almost forgotten about. You know, the fact that even when things are at their mosttragic something silly can happen next to lift your spirits. That's what I'm hoping forfrom this series.

[BoHeDia]

its really makin me wonder, i just cant wait...

[Soontir Solo]

Whuffa: I think the NJO was like that. Silly things did happen that lifted spirits. Especially in the Enemy Lines books.

[BoHeDia]

yes, many silly things...

[Whuffa]

Yeah, things did start getting lighter after ''Dark Journey'', but it still had a much darker tone than the rest of the EU. Don't get me wrong, I loved the NJO, but it's great that the guys at DelRey are trying to do different things all the time.

[Soontir Solo]

understandable.

[gforce99]

When is the release date for Dark Nest?

[Soontir Solo]

I think the first one comes out in May or June.

[DarthSolo]

Dark Nest shiping dates: 1: July 26, 2005; 2: Oct 4, 2005; 3: Dec 6, 2005.

[Soontir Solo]

Or July......lol

[TuskenRaider1]

Im looking forward to this series for a few reasons. We know Dark Nest will delve some into the Chiss, and perhaps that a setup for a new throw down? Chiss vs GFFA.....alliances made then broken. Or a cold war type existance after Dark Nest. Lucas does like his historical comparisons and that could be a real possibility. And think of the storylines taht could come from that tween Jag and Jaina. I like that idea the more I think about it. Of course, I stillsay its Ben who takes Anakins saber out of the branch, in some symbolic gensture or at a time of need. It just has too much resonance to leave it hanging. ANd Ben is the closest thing to a relative sans saber.

[Suzanne (ex CoS Leia)]

Sue Rostoni has given more information about the timing of these books over at TOS forums:

I have a timetable for the novels now.

Joiner King spans about 2 to 3 months in time, then a year passes and Unseen Queen starts up, spanning about another 2 to 3 months. Then only a couple weeks pass before Swarm War begins, and it lasts close to 6 months.

I'm getting the page proofs for Joiner King tomorrow, so will have an accurate page count, that I'll post sometime this week.

It's from this page here:
http://forums.starwars.com/thread.jspa?thr...4510&start=2595 (http://forums.starwars.com/thread.jspa?threadID=124510&start=2595)

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[Luvinna]

^ Isn't she talking about the Dark Nest trilogy, though? I think you may have posted in the wrong thread. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

[TuskenRaider1]

There was some q's over the DN trilogy, and frankly, what happens there will affect the 9-parter. Should be a good ride...

[Suzanne (ex CoS Leia)]

Originally posted by Luvinna@Mar 24 2005, 02:19 AM
^ Isn't she talking about the Dark Nest trilogy, though? I think you may have posted in the wrong thread. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif
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I did indeed post in the wrong thread. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/banghead.gif

Sorry. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blush.gif

[TuskenRaider1]

No worries, I still think DN will play a role in teh 9part.....

[Suzanne (ex CoS Leia)]

Actually one thing that does flow from my post about DN is that the gap between the end of it and the begnning of this series is not as great as we might have thought ...

Ben will be 13 at the beginning of the 9-book series which we have always taken to mean as 5 years from DN to 9-book, but with the DN series running over roughly 2 years there will only be a gap of 3 years from the end of one to the beginning of the other.

[TuskenRaider1]

means we might see ben farther along by the end of DN than we thought too....

[Suzanne (ex CoS Leia)]

We've been told over at TOS boards that the title for this series is to be announced at CIII style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

http://forums.starwars.com/thread.jspa?thr...010&start=09916 (http://forums.starwars.com/thread.jspa?threadID=93010&start=09916)

Anyone who's going - please post in this thread ASAP after you hear the title to let us poor suckers who can't get there know thye details.... PLEASE. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif

[empire21]

^Us poor suckers indeed style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif

[TuskenRaider1]

Shoudl be fun. Hope you all enjoy and share the knowledge wealth style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[Luvinna]

I'm going, but I won't have 'net access until I get back. I'll take notes. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[Suzanne (ex CoS Leia)]

Some new info from Sue Rostoni:

Howdy...

For your info -- everyone has just signed off on Aaron's outline for the first book! He's beginning to write, and Karen is now in the process of fleshing out the outline to book 2. Life is good! Can't wait for Celebration!

http://forums.starwars.com/thread.jspa?thr...3727&start=0901 (http://forums.starwars.com/thread.jspa?threadID=173727&start=0901)

[Jediwan]

Cool

[DarthSolo]

hehe, every so often I email Aaron Allston with a question about the series or about being an author or w/e, and always i attempt (ussually jokingly) to get him to reveal something about this series. It never works, but this last time he said everything was mum until they announced the name at C3. So...maybe rumors will fly after C3. I think ill deffinitly attempt at probing!

[Jediwan]

DS make sure you pm me if you get any info

[DarthSolo]

PM nothin, itll be in this thread!

[Jediwan]

I would rather it in the thread too

[DarthSolo]

Well, maybe i sould talk with a mod about what kinda issues might come up with that stuff. I dunno, we'll see. I doubt ill find anything out anyway.

[TuskenRaider1]

Ah but if you do, good to know youll share style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[Luvinna]

Originally posted by Suzanne (ex CoS Leia)@Apr 7 2005, 11:29 PM
We've been told over at TOS boards that the title for this series is to be announced at CIII style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

http://forums.starwars.com/thread.jspa?thr...010&start=09916 (http://forums.starwars.com/thread.jspa?threadID=93010&start=09916)

Anyone who's going - please post in this thread ASAP after you hear the title to let us poor suckers who can't get there know thye details.... PLEASE. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif
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Originally posted by Luvinna@Apr 8 2005, 09:17 AM
I'm going, but I won't have 'net access until I get back. I'll take notes. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif
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Just had a thought. I'll do my darndest to get into the title reveal on Saturday now that I know when it is. If someone wants to PM or email me a phone # before tomorrow morning (do not post it in this thread), I'll call when I get out of the presentation and you can post it here. Preferably a US number, but I won't be picky. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[Luvinna]

Ok. I have DS's number. The panel is supposed to be over about 6 PM US Central time on Saturday. Presuming I get in (cross your fingers for me), you all should have the info shortly after that. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[DarthSolo]

maybe ill keep the information to myself...

[Suzanne (ex CoS Leia)]

Originally posted by Luvinna+Apr 20 2005, 04:36 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Luvinna @ Apr 20 2005, 04:36 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-Suzanne (ex CoS Leia)@Apr 7 2005, 11:29 PM
We've been told over at TOS boards that the title for this series is to be announced at CIII style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

http://forums.starwars.com/thread.jspa?thr...010&start=09916 (http://forums.starwars.com/thread.jspa?threadID=93010&start=09916)

Anyone who's going - please post in this thread ASAP after you hear the title to let us poor suckers who can't get there know thye details.... PLEASE.
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Originally posted by Luvinna@Apr 8 2005, 09:17 AM
I'm going, but I won't have 'net access until I get back.* I'll take notes.* style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif
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Just had a thought. I'll do my darndest to get into the title reveal on Saturday now that I know when it is. If someone wants to PM or email me a phone # before tomorrow morning (do not post it in this thread), I'll call when I get out of the presentation and you can post it here. Preferably a US number, but I won't be picky. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif
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I assume an Australian number would be pushing things too far...

edit: and once again I should read on before posting ... but I was just kidding anyway. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

Now DS: you'd better pass it on or you'll pay. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

[Soontir Solo]

Suzanne is right DS, you will pay if you don't pass it one. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/saber.gif

[TuskenRaider1]

Heh, DS will pass it on, hes a good lead....thanks Luv for taking the time to call ! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif

[Luvinna]

I'll demote him when I get back if he doesn't post the info here within 12 hours. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif It's an hour long panel, so I'm sure I'll have lots to share. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/yes.gif

[DarthSolo]

i was kidding. no demotion, no paying. maybe a promotion for good service...kidding!

well, luv, i sure hop im at my computer when you call, cause i would be likely to forget some details if not. ill do my best though. cant wait!

[Jediwan]

Can't wait either.

[Suzanne (ex CoS Leia)]

Originally posted by Luvinna@Apr 21 2005, 01:30 AM
I'll demote him when I get back if he doesn't post the info here within 12 hours. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif It's an hour long panel, so I'm sure I'll have lots to share. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/yes.gif
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LOL style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif

I can't wait. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[DarthSolo]

NEWS FROM CELBRATION 3!

In the scheduled phone call, Luvinna had a lot to tell me! Here is my shorthand notes that I took from that convo. Ask me to clear things up, and when Luv gets back I'm sure she can do the same!

Luke Skywalker’ Legacy, Jedi order into a cohesive order of Jedi Knights, Luke plagued by a vision of AN (as in only 1) approaching darkness.
9 book series: Legacy of the Force.
1st book: Betrayal.
3 hard covers with paperbacks between. HC 3 PB HC 3PB HC.
How can they be so active when they’re so old? “60 is the new 40.”
Outlined first three books. Main plot, but not subplots. “Anything can happen.”
New characters! Multi-generational. Wedge Antilles will be there!
Karen Travvis said “Boba is back!”
Overall story: Sue Rotsini: “A nice circle.” Shelly Shapiro said “good way to put it.”
Mystery of Vergere will be resolved.
Tycho and Hobbie will be back!
Yuuzhan Vong main character: haven’t decided, it is a possibility.
Forbidden list: Yoda’ species and Whills. Everything else case-by-case.
Open with major character death? “open with a character death?” “No,” suggesting with later on in series?
No specific info on bad guys. Wouldn’t tell. Internal conflict. Possible Sith.
Mandalorian Protectors back!
Han/Leia new kids? “60 is new 40” Nothing planned, but anything can happen.
Originally to take place at KOTOR, but moved for suspense!
Jacen future with women, won’t tell.
Most looking forward to: Allston: Going far into the future. Travvis: Getting two characters together and seeing what happens. Denning: I can’t tell you what I’m looking forward to what writing about.
Lots of Luke action.
More Mara Jade action.
Can’ tell about Luke’s vision of Ben piloting alien craft.
2-3 years.
As of now no Chiss. Not in basic plot.
We do get Tenel Ka and Hapans.
Coran Horn will be in Legacy of the Force.
No new planets or technology unless needed.
Won’t say whether Luke learns more about Old Jedi Order.
Booster Terrik will be around.
Luke and Leia will “probably” learn about Padme.
June 2006 and every 3 months after.
GFFA still exists.
Force ghosts? Anakin? Solo or Skywalker unknown.
Wamia?* Comic book character? will be in it.

*neither Luvinna or I are familiar with a character of this name. We think it must be a comic book character, but are not sure. We don't know about the spelling. Any information would be great!

[Suzanne (ex CoS Leia)]

Thanks so much DS and Luv.

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That's all great - and it's nice to be able to report something at the TOS boards that I got from here rather than the other way around! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

[DarthSolo]

Props to Luv and the invention of the Cell Phone!

one other thing that Luvinna told me was that originally the NJO intended to kill Kyle in SBS, but LucasArts had rights to him for their games. Now LA is done with him, so i bet he dies either in DN or this series! YES!

[Suzanne (ex CoS Leia)]

You want him to die?

[Luminara Skye]

Thanks for the info DS and Luv!! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ok.gif

[DarthSolo]

Im not a Kyle katarn fan. I dont really care, but it would be good to see strong characters bite it, it gives a sense of reality. a sense of suspense.

[Soontir Solo]

Dang thats alot of information, and I too wish Katarn had/will die.

[Kapit]

katarn deserves to live! it'll be sad to see such an iconic character go...

[Luvinna]

Originally posted by DarthSolo@Apr 23 2005, 07:15 PM
9 book series: Legacy of the Force.
1st book: Betrayal.
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Another funny story about this.

It was getting to be about 10 minutes left in the panel when either Sue Rostoni or Shelly Shapiro (can't remember which) pointed out that no one had asked what the title of the first book was. Everyone laughed and a few people shouted out, "So what's the title of the first book?" She answered, "The title of the first book is..." (dramatic pause) "Betrayal." The whole audience went, Oooooooo!

Maybe you had to be there. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blush.gif

[TuskenRaider1]

HA. reminds me of a joke. So last night, I was out and it was cold......

(Here is where the crowd shouts, whats the title.....I mean how cold was it.....)

[Soontir Solo]

lol

[BoHeDia]

ths is gonnn abe awesome

[Sam Kenobi]

Whose Abe? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

[TuskenRaider1]

"Abe, Abe Kenobi...no, you dont like that....mmmm.....what about Ben, yeah ben sounds good"

- Obi-Wan's first day on Tattoine

[Suzanne (ex CoS Leia)]

We now have a release date for Betrayal and it's earlier than we had hoped ... it will be coming out on May 30, 2006.

http://forums.starwars.com/thread.jspa?thr...22689&start=165 (http://forums.starwars.com/thread.jspa?threadID=222689&start=165)

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[James William Alexander Atreides]

"The strong will survive, the weak will perish."

One thing, why did OB1 choose Ben as a name? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/vader.gif

[TuskenRaider1]

May huh? Ok not too bad for a start to a long series....good summer reading (who am I kiding Ill finish it the day I get it...)

[Ithorian guy]

Originally posted by Suzanne (ex CoS Leia)@Jun 9 2005, 08:17 PM
We now have a release date for Betrayal and it's earlier than we had hoped ... it will be coming out on May 30, 2006.

http://forums.starwars.com/thread.jspa?thr...22689&start=165 (http://forums.starwars.com/thread.jspa?threadID=222689&start=165)

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Roughly a little less than a year. I don't want to wait that long. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif

[Suzanne (ex CoS Leia)]

At least we have 3 x Denning's Dark Nest books, Luceno's Dark Lord and Zahn's Outbound flight, and maybe even Karen Traviss's RC:TZ to keep us occupied until then. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

[Jediwan]

Is there any more info on this series or Betrayal yet?

[Suzanne (ex CoS Leia)]

Originally posted by Jediwan@Jun 26 2005, 05:59 AM
Is there any more info on this series or Betrayal yet?
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Sadly, no.

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[TuskenRaider1]

Chances are once DN starts, thatll be the focus of info for a while. Prob no info on Legacy until DN starts, perhaps during a conference or interview for books 2 or 3 some info for LotF will slip....

[Ripley]

TFN has some MP4 files (http://www.theforce.net/books/C3-LOTF1.mp4) with the Legacy of the Force joke panel (http://www.theforce.net/books/C3-LOTF2.mp4) broken over three parts. (http://www.theforce.net/books/C3-LOTF3.mp4) <span style="color:blue">I've only seen the first one so far, but that alone made me sick to my stomach.</span>

[JediJade]

Wow! i'm really excited about this series.

[Tenel Ka]

That panel was awesome -- I'm glad it's online so everyone can see it. Denning, Allston and Traviss are gonna make one crazy team~ style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif

[Luvinna]

I haven't watched the whole thing (again), but I asked a question near the end of the panel. It's probably in the 3rd part. Anyone want to ask which question was me, or should I just tell you all? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

[TuskenRaider1]

OK, so after reading DN:JK and playign it out in my head, the main villian at the heart of the series will be (DN spoiler ahead) <div onClick="openClose('a0bca835a2547a99227841f8cbd06479')" style="font-weight: bold">[ Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide]</div><div id="a0bca835a2547a99227841f8cbd06479" style="display:none">Jacen</div>

[Master Shrive]

^Ooooooo! Interesting! Can someone give me a rough outline of what we do know so far? I can't be bothered reading over the last 9 pages.

[BoHeDia]

really? i find that hard to believe, he is one of my fave characters now...

[Jediwan]

I wonder what causes that.

[Luvinna]

Originally posted by Master Shrive@Aug 6 2005, 06:58 PM
^Ooooooo! Interesting! Can someone give me a rough outline of what we do know so far? I can't be bothered reading over the last 9 pages.
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Check out this post (http://www.galacticsenate.com/index.php?showtopic=10696&view=findpost&p=668166) for my report from C3 via DS. We really don't know much else beyond that.

[TuskenRaider1]

yeah, its pretty much a guess on my part based on actions in DN:JK, but I can elaborate if one wishes. I dont want to put up DN info unless I can to explain my reasoning..

[Ripley]

Originally posted by BoHeDia@Aug 6 2005, 08:28 PM
really? i find that hard to believe, he is one of my fave characters now...
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<span style="color:blue">Possibly because he is extremely arrogant.</span>

[padme4ever]

Like his grandfather, Anakin Skywalker?

[JediJoZe]

I think it would be more fun if Jaina turned. She always seems one step away anyway. That would really be interesting to see how the Solo's and Jacen delt with that.

[Ripley]

Originally posted by padme4ever@Aug 13 2005, 08:55 PM
Like his grandfather, Anakin Skywalker?
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<span style="color:blue">Difference is Anakin isn't an annoying git like or goes backwards in characterization like Jacen.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>I think it would be more fun if Jaina turned. She always seems one step away anyway. That would really be interesting to see how the Solo's and Jacen delt with that.[/b][/quote]

Jacen might not consider it important because of his infatuation with his heresy. What these potentium idoits really need is for Leland to stop bumbling around, confirm that Lumiya is a Dark Lady of the Sith, and have her use the Dark Side to its fullest to knock these heretics back to reality.</span>

[DarthSolo]

Originally posted by Ripley+Aug 14 2005, 12:03 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Ripley @ Aug 14 2005, 12:03 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-padme4ever@Aug 13 2005, 08:55 PM
Like his grandfather, Anakin Skywalker?
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[color=blue]Difference is Anakin isn't an annoying git like or goes backwards in characterization like Jacen.
[/b][/quote]

Erm, Anakin was an annoying git, moreso than Jacen. The punk whined more than his farmboy son while stuck on Tatoooine. Jacen, at least now, is much less annoying. And characterization? Did you take into considerration DN is written five years since the last time we saw Jacen, and that he has learned more about the Force than any Jedi ever? Of course he's gotten arrogant. Its natural character development. Its what writers do.

I would enjoy Jacen being a villian, though I doubt it will happen. I'd probably root for him!

[TuskenRaider1]

See and thats just it. He has become powerful beyond most of the jedi, he is arrogant (look at his dealings with Tenal Ka or the Fallanisi). Cant you see him going down a path he belives will lead to good. Road to hell paved with good intentions and all that. He is being set up as a perfect lil dark lord. A Luke/Jacen throw down would rock, esp with Jaina/Leia/Han watching or trying to bring him back to the light. THat would eb a great battle. OK, now my expectations are too high...heh.

[JediJoZe]

I'm still voting for Jaina to turn dark. Frankly it would make her character more interesting (to me anyway) and she has already dabbled there anyway. Also, because everyone expects it to be Jacen and that just wouldn't be fun.

It will really be exciting to watch Ben grow up in these books given his current attitude of not using the force at all. I think something major is gonna happen to him to make him connect with his midichlorians and kick some backside.

[DarthSolo]

I hope that Jacen, Jaina, and Ben become the Big Three in this series, with supporting cast of Lowbacca, Tesar, Jag and others. (maybe Raynar too?)

[Ripley]

<span style="color:blue">

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Erm, Anakin was an annoying git, moreso than Jacen. The punk whined more than his farmboy son while stuck on Tatoooine. Jacen, at least now, is much less annoying. And characterization? Did you take into considerration DN is written five years since the last time we saw Jacen, and that he has learned more about the Force than any Jedi ever? Of course he's gotten arrogant. Its natural character development. Its what writers do.

I would enjoy Jacen being a villian, though I doubt it will happen. I'd probably root for him![/b][/quote]

I'm taking into acount that Jacen would go forwards and backwards during the course of New Jedi Order in relation to him being a pacifist or not. He's arrogant because he gains power for himself and himself only, very Sith like. I also dislike the repitition of having powerful jedi go arrogant. Anakin was compelling, Jacen is hacky shlock in an already pathetic excuse of a novel. Also not all writers do character development. You may enjoy the same kool-aid over and over again, but I'm sick of arrogant lead jedi along with this pseudo philosophy of having an ill qualify idiot going "there is no dark side. Look, I'm having deep conversations!"

Jacen should be a villain for his blatant dark side thoughts coupled with his lack of ever reading a history book that is evident by his actions.</span>

[DarthSolo]

Umm, arrogance is what happens to most people who are more powerful than anyone else, especially in the young. Jacen has always been the character I relate to most, and I know that I am guilty of becoming arrogant when I think I'm better than everyone else. I related to him the NJO, because he was a teenager in a completely crazy situation with a lot of pressure on his shoulders. Of course he was going to go back and forth in his views. And don't you think that an experience like captivity in an obscure enemy's lair for months would make a drastic change in character. The Yuuzhan Vong invasion is obviously going to make extreme changes in characters, espcially young ones. The NJO did this spectacularly, and the results and effects are seen in DN.

I agree with your second paragraph! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif

[Ripley]

Originally posted by DarthSolo@Aug 16 2005, 01:40 AM
Umm, arrogance is what happens to most people who are more powerful than anyone else, especially in the young. Jacen has always been the character I relate to most, and I know that I am guilty of becoming arrogant when I think I'm better than everyone else. I related to him the NJO, because he was a teenager in a completely crazy situation with a lot of pressure on his shoulders. Of course he was going to go back and forth in his views. And don't you think that an experience like captivity in an obscure enemy's lair for months would make a drastic change in character. The Yuuzhan Vong invasion is obviously going to make extreme changes in characters, espcially young ones. The NJO did this spectacularly, and the results and effects are seen in DN.

I agree with your second paragraph! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif
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<span style="color:blue">He did make a change in Traitor to only revert to his old self in those forgettable Force Heretic novels. The bumbling from the sheer number of authors in the series made any real character development bungle around. New Jedi Order did it rather cheaply with Dark Nest showing the results of something I've seen before. I can get arrogant people turning to the Dark Side when they are doing something they feel is right when I watch the Prequels or learning about Lord Revan's reasons for going to the Dark Side in The Sith Lords. I don't like the taste of Del Rey's kool-aid because I've drank enough of it already.</span>

[DarthSolo]

If you see repetitiveness in characterization that is because it is natural human nature. Humans do certain things and become certain things under certain circumstances. If star wars is consistant in that, it is because the authors write humans well.

As far as Jacen, don't you think that he would become a little less strong on his vastly radical position when suddenly under all sorts of pressure? He isn't that old, and humans of all ages, but more prevolently in the younger, succumb to peer pressure. He had a war to concentrate on, and wasn't spreading his new Jedi philosophy around all the time. Its easy to fall back into old ways when distracted and in the presence of those who were so fundamental in your old views.

[eddie]

Check out Sue Rostoni's blog at

http://blogs.starwars.com/eeusuestornii/3

for the titel of Karen Traviss' Legacy of the Force # 2

[Luvinna]

Bloodlines. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/scratchchin.gif Another title that could be full of implications.

She also says that Aaron Allston is late with Betrayal. I hope that doesn't throw the publishing schedule off. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif Though I suppose at this early a date it probably won't.

[the c0unt]

Originally posted by eddie@Sep 2 2005, 04:43 PM
Check out Sue Rostoni's blog at

http://blogs.starwars.com/eeusuestornii/3

for the titel of Karen Traviss' Legacy of the Force # 2
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Hmm Betrayel, then bloodlines.

Seems like someone in the family has betrayed someone.

OMG dewds, this totally supports the Jacen Solo=Dark Jedi theory.

Or not. but it is a guess.

[Luvinna]

Yeah. Someone in the Skywalker clan is going to go dark, methinks.

[Jediwan]

It sounds like it's going to be Jacen. But what if it's Ben? He is currently denying the force. My guess is Jacen gets him interested in the force then the Darkside and he seeks out to learn more about the darkside.

[Luvinna]

I think Ben's only going to be 13 or 14 years old at the beginning of LotF (if I'm remembering the timeline right). That's a bit young for him to go dark, IMO, but I guess it's possible.

[Ripley]

Originally posted by Luvinna@Sep 2 2005, 03:54 PM
Bloodlines. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/scratchchin.gif Another title that could be full of implications.

She also says that Aaron Allston is late with Betrayal. I hope that doesn't throw the publishing schedule off. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif Though I suppose at this early a date it probably won't.
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<span style="color:blue">Yes, the implications of Dark Horse of bring up a lawsuit against Del Rey for copyright infringment.

Star Wars Empire Volume One: Betrayal
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Star Wars Republic #64: Bloodlines
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Who would have thought the day would have come where Del Rey ran out of title ideas that they had to get names from old Star Wars products. Allston being late with Legacy of the Force: Betrayal(I refuse to use the shorten name due to getting it confused with the original Betrayal) is another example of his lack of professionalism.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>If you see repetitiveness in characterization that is because it is natural human nature. Humans do certain things and become certain things under certain circumstances. If star wars is consistant in that, it is because the authors write humans well.

As far as Jacen, don't you think that he would become a little less strong on his vastly radical position when suddenly under all sorts of pressure? He isn't that old, and humans of all ages, but more prevolently in the younger, succumb to peer pressure. He had a war to concentrate on, and wasn't spreading his new Jedi philosophy around all the time. Its easy to fall back into old ways when distracted and in the presence of those who were so fundamental in your old views.[/b][/quote]

He goes back for no apparent reason. The chance of him going back to being wishy-washy is slim after the tramatic events of Traitor is slim. Substandard writing and lack of cordination on Del Rey's part is the reason.</span>

[DarthSolo]

Well, I choose to disagree because my view on humanity is that it is volatile and changeable, especially in pressure situations like a war and traumatic incidents. Jacen's characteristics are realistic to me, and I relate to the character well. If you don't, I'm sorry for you, and hope that you can enjoy future Star Wars literature and find characters to relate to.

[Jediwan]

Originally posted by Luvinna@Sep 2 2005, 05:49 PM
I think Ben's only going to be 13 or 14 years old at the beginning of LotF (if I'm remembering the timeline right). That's a bit young for him to go dark, IMO, but I guess it's possible.
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But he'll should be super strong in the force and the younger you are the more susceptible to deception you are especially if it's someone using the darkside.

[Whuffa]

And teen angst can be tough! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif Maybe he'll turn to the dark side just to make mum and dad mad!

[Jediwan]

^lol. You never know.

[Ripley]

<span style="color:blue">Legacy of the Force: Betrayal is currently clocked in at 352 for its hardcover price. (http://www.randomhouse.com/delrey/catalog/display.pperl?isbn=9780345477347) Sue's blog has that Legacy of the Force: Bloodlines' manuscript is around 534 pages.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Well, I choose to disagree because my view on humanity is that it is volatile and changeable, especially in pressure situations like a war and traumatic incidents. Jacen's characteristics are realistic to me, and I relate to the character well. If you don't, I'm sorry for you, and hope that you can enjoy future Star Wars literature and find characters to relate to.[/b][/quote]

I'll enjoy Star Wars literature when Del Rey stops recycling plots(the thought of Ben even possibly going dark= nap time), stop using cliche titles or flat out ripping them off, and start using credible authors(Allston never had any, Denning sold out). As it is going right now, Dark Horse is producing far superior yarns along with great Knights of the Old Republic arc(why can't all LucasArts games be this good?) makes me wonder greatly why the novels, with the novel format considered by many to be the superior form of storytelling than comics or games, is lagging so far behind.</span>

[Anguirus111]

I wouldn't neccessarily claim Del Rey is ripping off of Dark Horse with those titles, Betrayal and Bloodlines are hardly original titles to being with. That being said I wish they could come up with something more interesting.

[Luvinna]

Seeing as I don't read the comics, I could care less if they took the book titles from comics. I wouldn't have even known if you hadn't pointed it out. Makes no difference to me.

[Jediwan]

Me neither.

[Ripley]

<span style="color:blue"><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Seeing as I don't read the comics, I could care less if they took the book titles from comics. I wouldn't have even known if you hadn't pointed it out. Makes no difference to me.[/b][/quote]

The title is an example of how much effort is put into the novel. Del Rey playing off the igorance of the readership, as Luvinna and Jediwan admits they do not read the comics, is a smack in the face of the readership's intelligence. Del Rey should act as if most of its readership is well versed in the EU, thus come up with creative titles. Repititous use of dark, reusing titles, and constant one-liners are subpar. Del Rey needs to put more effort into their work.</span>

[Anguirus111]

Is the title that big of a deal? If they were rehashing plotlines I'd understand, but not with titles.

[DarthSolo]

10 fake bucks says Ripley quotes ^ post and claims Del Rey does nothing but rehash old plot lines! haha, it will be fun!

[Suzanne (ex CoS Leia)]

Originally posted by Ripley@Sep 6 2005, 01:52 PM
<span style="color:blue"><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Seeing as I don't read the comics, I could care less if they took the book titles from comics. I wouldn't have even known if you hadn't pointed it out. Makes no difference to me.

The title is an example of how much effort is put into the novel. Del Rey playing off the igorance of the readership, as Luvinna and Jediwan admits they do not read the comics, is a smack in the face of the readership's intelligence. Del Rey should act as if most of its readership is well versed in the EU, thus come up with creative titles. Repititous use of dark, reusing titles, and constant one-liners are subpar. Del Rey needs to put more effort into their work.</span>
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Karen Traviss came up with the title herself (although it was one of a number she submitted), and it was approved by Del Rey.

Given how many comics there are it's not surprising that there's some overlap - there's a helluva lot of comic titles out there!

And I am positive that Ms Traviss put a lot of effort into the novel. If you have seen her post over at TOS you would see how dedicated she is to what she is doing.

[Jediwan]

[quote=DarthSolo,Sep 6 2005, 01:36 AM]
10 fake bucks says Ripley quotes ^ post and claims Del Rey does nothing but rehash old plot lines! haha, it will be fun!
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Why do you care about the titles anyway. It's not like they are making the comic into a book and putting different character names in it.

[eddie]

You can't judge a good book by it's title style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

If the title reflects the contents of the story, it's okay with me. I care more about the story inside (as well as the cover-art) than the title on the cover (although the Star wars logo has to be featured prominently!!!!). And since Karen herself came up with it, I know it will reflect the story (as she is one of the bust current SW authors, someone who really cares about her story)...

[Ripley]

<span style="color:blue"><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Is the title that big of a deal? If they were rehashing plotlines I'd understand, but not with titles.[/b][/quote]

Hypothetical situation. You are walking around Barnes and Noble looking for books. A title with a cliche like dark or evil won't stand out, nor would a one-liner. So would you be more inclined to read Dark Assault or Uncle Shanchez and his idiosyncratic monkey at McDonald's? Titles attract attention of the buyer. Same with the cover. I was my local library when I considered picking up a novel because the cover was neon pink. Got my attention. Photoshoping images, which a lot of the Del Rey covers do, doesn't attract attention. An actual drawing works. The title and cover are very important to the novel, sometimes making or braking its success.



<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Karen Traviss came up with the title herself (although it was one of a number she submitted), and it was approved by Del Rey.

Given how many comics there are it's not surprising that there's some overlap - there's a helluva lot of comic titles out there!

And I am positive that Ms Traviss put a lot of effort into the novel. If you have seen her post over at TOS you would see how dedicated she is to what she is doing.[/b][/quote]

I know, I talked to her about it at TFN. She could have just went the extra mile of looking up the title. Two Rogue Squadrons, two Rogue Leaders, and three Knights of the Old Republic is utter and complete simplicity. All comes back the psychology of the title.

DarthSolo, that isn't that far from the truth and the same with Bantam run. Basic answer is from red-head lovers of Luke, alien invaders, and uber brilliant tacticians, the Marvel line did it first.</span>

[Anguirus111]

But you're dealing with two different mediums! If someone wanted Bloodlines, they'd know in advance if it was a comic book or a novel! And if they didn't they'd find out real quick.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Hypothetical situation. You are walking around Barnes and Noble looking for books. A title with a cliche like dark or evil won't stand out, nor would a one-liner. So would you be more inclined to read Dark Assault or Uncle Shanchez and his idiosyncratic monkey at McDonald's? Titles attract attention of the buyer. Same with the cover. I was my local library when I considered picking up a novel because the cover was neon pink. Got my attention. Photoshoping images, which a lot of the Del Rey covers do, doesn't attract attention. An actual drawing works. The title and cover are very important to the novel, sometimes making or braking its success.[/b][/quote]

I don't make blind buys anymore when I go to a bookstore I know what I want and I buy it. If the cover is good or bad doesn't amount to a hill of beans to me.

As the saying goes: "Don't judge a book by it's cover."

And besides, if I really wanted to, I could print out the Japanese covers and then tape them to my regular books. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif

[eddie]

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Well, that way you really would have original titles...

[DarthSolo]

Originally posted by Ripley@Sep 6 2005, 08:25 PM

DarthSolo, that isn't that far from the truth and the same with Bantam run. Basic answer is from red-head lovers of Luke, alien invaders, and uber brilliant tacticians, the Marvel line did it first.[/color]
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Alright, let's have half-wittend commanders that don't do anything because there's no wars ever. Luke should only be with shaved headed women, and the books should be about nothing but peace times and the debates in the senate about what percentage of the agriculture on X planet should be imported to Core Worlds, and what percentage should stay on the rims! Oh, but don't forget, we must check with every publishing company ever to make sure we don't resemble any of their plots, characters, titles or anything else, EVER!

not gonna happen. It's ALL been done. I assure you, even the "pioneer" publishers like Marvel borrow ideas. The world is at least a few thousand years old, and literature is right up there. We aren't coming up with new ideas. deal with it. Its called getting inspiration from outside sources.

[TuskenRaider1]

Wait so we are outsourcing Novels now? Does it ever end? Geez.... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

I hate to agree with Ripley, but the title does matter, and frankly, If it has Rogue or Dark in it, its a little lazy if you ask me. Now Ive read my fair share of comics and graphic novels, and I have much respect for the writing involved. But the EU is a sum of parts, not an indiviual asset, and frankly, the books and the comics play off each other. Look at the rogue squad stuff. Same Authors and storylines, different mediums. Good collaboration on art etc. A nice crossing of mediums. Not all fans will like all mediums. To each their own.

Frankly, Im still hoping Jacen goes dark in Legacy, if only for a while, cuz it will help to build his character more. I do not believe he is done as a character in his mid-20s. Lots of living left to do.

[Luvinna]

My brother has a favorite saying that goes something like, "All story ideas are taken from Hamlet. Even the ones written before that." Like DS said, there're only so many stories that can be told in the world. There probably isn't one original idea left. An author may think it's an original idea, but most likely it's already been done before at some point in time.

As for having catchy titles and covers, Del Rey doesn't need to spend lots of time, effort and money on that. The Star Wars EU readership base is already established. As far as I know, every book has made it onto the New York Times Bestseller's List. That's because fans who follow the EU keep track of when a book is coming out and usually go buy it within a month of it's release. Sure, the fans would like having well designed covers, but they're not needed to draw attention in the book store. If someone's browsing books in the SW section (every book store I've been to has a section set aside for SW books), they're probably looking for a particular book they heard about. I'd bet most of the new readership comes from word-of-mouth, not someone who randomly decided to pick up a SW book and give it a try. I've gotten a couple of friends reading the EU simply because they always hear me talking about it and see me reading the books.

And to me, the sum of the EU is the books. I don't read the comics. I don't play the video games. The books are all that's included in my sum. Maybe when the TV show comes out that will be added to it. So it really doesn't matter to me that these titles have been used before in the comics genre.

[Kapit]

i agree with DS and luvinna. there's only so many stories that would work in the EU.

as to titles, who cares? if it's relevant to the story, then use it. so it's similar to another title from a comic. look at the number of fans that read the comics compared to those that just read books. i think it's safe to say that most people won't notice or care

[Jediwan]

^ Corect Jk all that matters is what the title means in the book. if the title Bloodlines means something about the Skywalkers then it is appropriate.

[Anguirus111]

Maybe instead of Bloodlines, it could be Lifelines. Then the next book could be called Phoneafriend and then fiftyfifty.

Yeah that sounds good to me.

[Luvinna]

Oh, boo! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

[Soontir Solo]

Originally posted by TuskenRaider1@Sep 7 2005, 09:46 AM
Wait so we are outsourcing Novels now? Does it ever end? Geez.... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

I hate to agree with Ripley, but the title does matter, and frankly, If it has Rogue or Dark in it, its a little lazy if you ask me. Now Ive read my fair share of comics and graphic novels, and I have much respect for the writing involved. But the EU is a sum of parts, not an indiviual asset, and frankly, the books and the comics play off each other. Look at the rogue squad stuff. Same Authors and storylines, different mediums. Good collaboration on art etc. A nice crossing of mediums. Not all fans will like all mediums. To each their own.

Frankly, Im still hoping Jacen goes dark in Legacy, if only for a while, cuz it will help to build his character more. I do not believe he is done as a character in his mid-20s. Lots of living left to do.
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Of course Jacen has lots of living to do, but he doesn't have to go to the Dark Side in order to live. He won't go to the Dark Side. One of the reasons he won't is because if he did no one could stop him. He's already the most powerful Jedi in the New Order.

[DarthSolo]

Originally posted by Luvinna@Sep 7 2005, 07:37 AM

As for having catchy titles and covers, Del Rey doesn't need to spend lots of time, effort and money on that. The Star Wars EU readership base is already established. As far as I know, every book has made it onto the New York Times Bestseller's List. That's because fans who follow the EU keep track of when a book is coming out and usually go buy it within a month of it's release. Sure, the fans would like having well designed covers, but they're not needed to draw attention in the book store. If someone's browsing books in the SW section (every book store I've been to has a section set aside for SW books), they're probably looking for a particular book they heard about. I'd bet most of the new readership comes from word-of-mouth, not someone who randomly decided to pick up a SW book and give it a try. I've gotten a couple of friends reading the EU simply because they always hear me talking about it and see me reading the books.

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I do agree with Luvinna, though hearing that the names are a bit of a rehash is a slight disapointment. It doesn't matter to ME simply because I care nothing for the comics that have the name, but I think that is something Del Rey could have avoided. In all, I agree with Luv that a flashy cover and title isn't going to increase the readership a whole lot, because the fan base is set and spreading mostly by word of mouth. Everything does count, though, but I don't think this is as big an issue as some make it.

[Anguirus111]

They should just start stealing the Japanese Covers then.

[DarthSolo]

probably not.

[Kapit]

Originally posted by Anguirus111@Sep 7 2005, 07:21 PM
They should just start stealing the Japanese Covers then.
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that, or maybe offer the japanese covers as well....those covers are pretty snazzy

[Anguirus111]

I did like the US NJO covers because each one was a mystery in trying to find exactly what it was representing.

[Soontir Solo]

Yeah, I liked the NJO covers for the most part. The only one I really disliked was the cover for Traitor where it had Jacen, an X-Wing, and Coruscant on it. There was no X-Wings in Traitor, and Coruscant wasn't really Coruscant in more in the book. And they showed a picture of Jacen that looked nothing like how Jacen was described in the book, namely with a shaggy beard, wild hair, and wearing Yuuzghan Vong attire.

[DarthSolo]

I liked the color scheme of the Traitor cover, and Jacen's look, but yeah, Coruscant and the X-Wing were unnecesary. I didn't particularly like The Final Prophecy cover either.

[Suzanne (ex CoS Leia)]

Originally posted by DarthSolo@Sep 8 2005, 03:22 PM
I liked the color scheme of the Traitor cover, and Jacen's look, but yeah, Coruscant and the X-Wing were unnecesary. I didn't particularly like The Final Prophecy cover either.
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The covers mean so little to me that I hadn't even noticed that an x-wing and Coruscant were on the cover of Traitor... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

[TuskenRaider1]

I prefered every one of the Japanese covers. Bring em on...

[Soontir Solo]

Originally posted by DarthSolo@Sep 8 2005, 01:22 AM
I liked the color scheme of the Traitor cover, and Jacen's look, but yeah, Coruscant and the X-Wing were unnecesary. I didn't particularly like The Final Prophecy cover either.
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Yeah, Final Prophecy too. I forgot how absolutely ridiculous Tahiri looks on that cover.

[Jediwan]

I know it drove me crazy. She looks like she's 24 not 16.

[Anguirus111]

She looked sixteen to me on that cover.

[Jediwan]

I didn't think so.

[Soontir Solo]

I thought she looked.........pudgy and almost cartoonish. In the books it described her as skinny and athletic. She didn't look either on the cover.

[Jediwan]

I know.

[TuskenRaider1]

That cover was wierd. Though I gotta say, I like the final cover for TUF. Well done in my mind. That and the Rebel Dream/Rebel Stand covers, just cuz they were different...and I love the shot inside the x-wing..

[Jediwan]

Yeah those were good. The Force heretic trilogy was wierd too.

[Whuffa]

I loved the force heretic covers, especialy the first one. They were very interesting. I prefer painted covers so much to the photoshop ones.

[the c0unt]

Originally posted by Jediwan@Sep 9 2005, 12:51 PM
Yeah those were good. The Force heretic trilogy was wierd too.
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They were wierd. Probably among my least favorite covers for the NJO.

[Jediwan]

I know. Jacen looks like young Obi-wan( as he did in Jude Watson's series) on the TUF cover.