Is The Thrawn Trilogy Good? [Archive]

Jedi Master Gandalf

09-12-2002, 01:09 AM

Thank you all for your advice on the Thrawn books! The Corellian Trilogy weren't very good mostly because I was expecting lots of SW-like action, but instead got some sort of cross breeding between a spy-thriller, Indiana Jones [the archeology], a family drama, and some sort of teen love thing [Lando's marriage mission]. It just wasn't good, there was almost nothing that was exciting.

So far, I'm on page 81 of Heir to the Empire and its already better than all of the Corellian books. Thrawn is really gentlemanly and smooth, and Joruus C'boath is a raving lunatic, just as I expected! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

Does anyone know where I can find a picture of a Nogrhi? I'm curious to see what they look like.

Swamprat_Jedi_Knight

09-16-2002, 02:37 AM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Swamprat...buy the damn book. Its only like $5 bucks [/b][/quote]
I have a theory, it states... " Never spend money on something you can get for free." It only takes a week for the books to come in, and I have a steady flow coming from the NJO to, so I'm quite busy. In fact since I wrote that last message I have gotten the last book (The Last Command), and are 3/4 of the way through it. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/cool.gif

Ieluuka

09-16-2002, 07:36 AM

The Thrawn Trilogy is Excellent. Oh, and by the way, most of you are lucky about the price of your books, because here in Australian (bloody great country, you should come visit style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif ) paperback books are <u><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:100%">$18.95</span></u>, and hardcover are <u><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:100%">$39.95</span></u>!!!! Well, anyway, I've read all the Star Wars books in order up to The New Rebellion, which i'm up to now.

Cya Later All

Doctor Evil

09-17-2002, 12:09 AM

If you are a kid with no money I can see not buying the books. But if you want there to be more books than you should buy as many at retail as you can. And used book stores don't count. The authors get no royalties after the initial sale.

Also, books on Amazon.com cost the same everywhere except for shipping.

Doc style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/saber.gif

Jedi Master Gandalf

09-17-2002, 12:34 AM

Okay--Update:

I'm on pg. 181 of Heir to the Empire, which is Ch. 17. I hate to say it, but things have been going a little on the slow side. Its way better than the Corellian books, don't get me wrong. But where's all the hype that I've been hearing about?? When does the action start? Its still not better than Shadows of the Empire [my favorite]

Ieluuka

09-17-2002, 07:22 AM

Don't worry, you will be satisfied. I reckon that if Episodes 7-9 were to be made into movies, they would use the Thrawn Trilogy. It is by far the best. You won't be dissapointed!

Brian

09-22-2002, 09:24 PM

Originally posted by Jedi Master Gandalf@Sep 16 2002, 10:34 PM
Okay--Update:

I'm on pg. 181 of Heir to the Empire, which is Ch. 17. I hate to say it, but things have been going a little on the slow side. Its way better than the Corellian books, don't get me wrong. But where's all the hype that I've been hearing about?? When does the action start? Its still not better than Shadows of the Empire [my favorite]
I agree. SOTE is my favorite so far. But I will not discuss that book here.

Also, what's wrong with checking books out from the library. That's what the bibliotecca is there for. If my library doesn't have it, I use interlibrary loan. If none of the libraries have the book, THEN, and only then will I purchase the book. At some point, I will buy all of the books, but that point has not come yet. Free has always been better.

That's all.

lathian

09-23-2002, 01:18 AM

The first chapter of The Last Command, #3 of the trilogy, will blow your socks off. Well, it blew mine off anyway style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/cool.gif

Jedi Master Gandalf

09-24-2002, 12:19 AM

I'm on pg. 20 of Dark Force Rising.

Heir to the Empire really picked up when Leia arrived on Kashyyyk. That's when Luke was kidnapped as well. Really great. I like the fact that Luke was unable to use the Force; makes him seem more resourceful. Even though, half the time I wanted Luke to grab his lightsaber and chop Mara Jade in two. Its hard to believe they eventually get married. Talon Karrde is cool too.

I was kind of confused at the end, though. I didn't really understand what was going on during the battle. I immediatly bought Dark Force Rising and have started very slowly. Everyone seems so depressed! Karrde, Jade, and Thrawn. Well, so far, this is turning out to be a good trilogy. Thanks for your input everyone! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

Ieluuka

09-24-2002, 08:05 AM

I suppose that borrowing books from the library is a good idea, but it can be annoying when you want to read something and its already on loan, and sometimes they dont't have the book altogether! And some stupid people pull out pages etc. I find that buying every single one is better cos you can read them whenever you want! I have all of them, and I think it is worth it! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/cool.gif

Jedi Master Gandalf

09-25-2002, 12:38 AM

I just the love the feeling of buying a book and displaying on my shelf. So when people enter my room, they know what I've read.

Ieluuka

09-25-2002, 04:20 AM

Originally posted by Jedi Master Gandalf@Sep 25 2002, 01:38 PM
I just the love the feeling of buying a book and displaying on my shelf. So when people enter my room, they know what I've read.
Ahh yes, that wonderful feeling...especially when it's magnified a thousand times when you have the whole series!!

Brian

09-25-2002, 10:27 AM

You 2 make good points. I will eventually buy all of the books, but I am too cheap (or broke) to do that right now. However, I still want to read them NOW. That is why I borrow them from the library.

jade51999

09-25-2002, 10:40 AM

Libraries are good..its not until i had a steady income (ha ha i'm still a college student but you have to delude yourself sometimes) that i started buying...style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif i even splurged and bought some in Hardcover hehe

TT rocks

imperialcacner

10-01-2002, 11:57 PM

i basically loved it. Thrawn is increadable and the noghri r pretty kewl. These books establish a lot in terms of characters and just the feel of the universe in general. I also liked how the wookie homeworld was established. Not to many other books have captured the essence of the wookies like zahn did. I didn't like how thrawn met his fate though. i thought he dided stupidly, for a grand admiral of the imperial fleet. Thses books r basically my favorite ones.

Ieluuka

10-02-2002, 07:49 AM

The Noghri are the best! I wish I had a personal Noghri bodyguard...

Brian

10-18-2002, 02:39 PM

I just purchased the Thrawn Trilogy and will probably begin reading it as soon as I finish Rebel Dawn. I am so excited!

Gandalf, did you finish the books?

jade51999

10-19-2002, 12:11 AM

This is about the Thrawn tril but really has nothing to do with tye thread..but i didn't want to start a new thread to talk about it..

i just bought the thrawn tril in hardcover off of ebay and half.com style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif
SWEET!
style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif 2 of them came today...waiting on the last style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

jedisaber

10-25-2002, 12:49 PM

if you want to see some really great tactical moves that challenge that of even Admiral Aackbar, sure, and it also gives you the storyline of how mara stops hating luke,but then youd have to continue to the thrawn duology to read how they begin to fall in love

Jedi Daniel

11-01-2002, 02:39 PM

I've recently started getting into the EU and starting reading all the EU after Return of the Jedi so I thought I'd see what my local second hand book store had. Well I got Truce at Bakura (Fantastic book IMO), then the whole Thrawn Trilogy and then the Corellion Trilogy.

I've always wanted to read the Thrawn Trilogy to see what all the fuss was about and now I know. I'm only 1/2 way through Heir to the Empire and so far it's been fantastic. Are the other 2 books even better than the first?

Jedi D'oh

11-01-2002, 02:47 PM

They are just as good if not better. I was about 19 when the first one came out. Up to that point there had been nothing new in the SW world for a long time. Zahn was able to capture the magic and write a really good story. I think you will enjoy them very much.

I have all the books in order by timeline at home. I can give you any info you need on them, just ask. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

Bacta Hog

11-04-2002, 06:21 PM

Thrawn is definately the way to go.

Admiral Piett

11-07-2002, 03:01 PM

I've read most of the EU and The Thrawn Trilogy is the better of the series.

Jedi D'oh

11-07-2002, 03:06 PM

I think the Thrawn Books are the best to start with.

jedisaber

11-08-2002, 09:36 AM

no disareement there

Jedi Kum-ahK

01-06-2003, 05:20 PM

I wish there was a book about Thrawn's exploits before Zahn's trilogy. Imperial Admirals usually made a daft impression on me before I read the Heir series. That was where Imperials really made an impression on me. I read Thrawn back in 1993 when it came out, and its still my favorite.http://www.jamezbrown.com/mysmilies/cwm/3dlil/cool.gif

Brian

01-06-2003, 05:56 PM

I am about 50 pages from finishing Heir to the Empire. It's good so far. Thrawn is a frickin' genius! I can't wait to get to the next book!

jedisaber

01-07-2003, 12:32 PM

heh well then youll love anything after that series, their all mostly genius, especially the new jedi order, talk about military genius

Brian

01-07-2003, 12:48 PM

Done with the book. Into Dark Force Rising, now.

jedisaber

01-07-2003, 01:08 PM

like i said, wait until the new jedi order books, thats were youll see some even better military genius, cause even though their bad, the YV are tactical geniuses too

Whitesaber

01-07-2003, 05:17 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>I am about 50 pages from finishing Heir to the Empire. It's good so far. Thrawn is a frickin' genius! I can't wait to get to the next book! [/b][/quote]

Yes, Thrawn is almost as smart as me. I loved the character when I first read about him in the first chapter of HTTE. The was he knew that it was an Elomin task force... smart stuff. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

Jedi Kum-ahK

01-09-2003, 03:55 PM

Just wait till you get the The Hand of Thrawn. There you'll really met his genius!http://216.40.249.192/mysmilies/cwm/cwm/smirk.gif

Jedi Princess

01-09-2003, 04:51 PM

They are, in my opinion the best pre-NJO books. He portrays the characters in an excellant manner and understands the universe. He's my favorite author though...lol.

Whitesaber

01-09-2003, 05:48 PM

Sorry. Forgot to mention that I've already started on the Hand of Thrawn duology. I finished Spector of the Past and am currently reading Vision of the Future. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif

Jedi Princess... evil?!?

jedisaber

01-10-2003, 04:06 PM

i still say that the YV are smarter than thrawn, but then again the INSIDERS were pulling off some pretty smart tactical moves themselves

Brian

02-14-2003, 11:21 AM

About 20 pages from being done with the trilogy. So far, it's good, but not great. I don't see what all the fuss is about.

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Brian

02-14-2003, 10:59 PM

Ok, finished it just now. It was good! That's all I have to say...

~OBG

Exar D'an

02-14-2003, 11:17 PM

The Thrawn Trilogy is one of the best series out. The only thing better IMO is the NJO series.

xagete

02-15-2003, 04:27 PM

IMHO, the Thrawn trilogy is the best of all the star wars books, followed closely by the Hand of Thrawn duology. Zahn is an excellent author, all of his books are great!

Exar D'an

02-15-2003, 04:31 PM

Zahn is a great author. And the Hand of Thrawn Duology was really good.

Soontir Solo

02-15-2003, 05:55 PM

I would just like to respond to this idea that the YV are better military geniuses then Thrawn. What???? You've got to be kidding me. Thrawn was working with less forces and pulling off stuff that the YV could never do. The YV have never shown any true tactical brilliance besides there trickery in attacking Fondor rather than Corellia. They simply use over whelming force and dont care about there own lives. Thrawn didn't waste men or material and almost won against superior forces. Tsavong Lah, Nas Choka, Shimrra dont come anywhere near Thrawn. The only one that did was Czulkang Lah, and we already know how that ended up with Antilles defeating him by out thinking him.

Exar D'an

02-15-2003, 06:46 PM

I agree fully. There is no way that the Vong are better tactical geniuses than Thrawn was.

Soontir Solo

02-15-2003, 07:42 PM

Thanks, I mean come one. YV better military minds than Thrawn. Not a chance in hell. Thrawn had the ultimate military mind, I was actually disappointed when Rukh killed him.

Exar D'an

02-15-2003, 10:54 PM

Yes but at least Pellaeon is a good replacement, although not as much of a genius as Thrawn was.

Soontir Solo

02-16-2003, 05:08 AM

Indeed. Pellaeon was the best possible replacement after Thrawn. Too bad he didn't get full control until Daala had lost a SSD and many other star destroyers. He might have saved the Empire some territory.

Exar D'an

02-19-2003, 06:55 AM

True, Soontir, I was never a big fan of Daala. I don't think she was that good a tactician, unlike Pellaeon.

Soontir Solo

02-19-2003, 11:36 AM

I just wonder what Admiral Rogress was doing during the Thrawn Trilogy? I wonder if Thrawn gave him control of a small fleet or something.

Exar D'an

02-19-2003, 01:14 PM

That would be nice to know.

Soontir Solo

02-20-2003, 05:33 PM

I do wonder one thing about the Thrawn Trilogy above all else. Why didn't the New Republic ever go on the offensive against Thrawn before Bilbringi. The whole time they were trying to defend. Why not amass an armada and just go through and destroy the shipyards at places like Bilbringi, Yaga Minor, and Ord Trasi. And they could have done all this. Even in Last Command the New Republic had more resources than Thrawn. I guess thats why Thrawn was winning the war, he stayed on the offensive.

Exar D'an

02-21-2003, 06:55 AM

It never would have been a good story if the New Republic went on the offensive and desimated Thrawn's forces. Plus they knew how good a tactician Thrawn was.

Brian

02-21-2003, 09:03 AM

Originally posted by Soontir Solo@Feb 20 2003, 04:33 PM
I do wonder one thing about the Thrawn Trilogy above all else. Why didn't the New Republic ever go on the offensive against Thrawn before Bilbringi. The whole time they were trying to defend. Why not amass an armada and just go through and destroy the shipyards at places like Bilbringi, Yaga Minor, and Ord Trasi. And they could have done all this. Even in Last Command the New Republic had more resources than Thrawn. I guess thats why Thrawn was winning the war, he stayed on the offensive.
The New Republic was being cautious. Thrawn was already predicting just about everything they were going to do.

Soontir Solo

02-21-2003, 11:02 AM

I know, they could have tried something though

Exar D'an

02-21-2003, 01:24 PM

It would have been nice but...it didn't happen...

Soontir Solo

02-22-2003, 06:19 PM

I really liked how Thrawn struck fear in EVERYBODY. Even Han and Lando and the crew. Everybdoy was scared of him.

Exar D'an

02-25-2003, 01:52 PM

He was one scary dude. I mean wouldn' t you be if you were up a guy who could put an entire armada of Star Destroyers up your nose without you knowing it.

Soontir Solo

02-25-2003, 05:31 PM

Definitely scary! EVERYBODY was scared of him, except Rukh i guess

Brian

04-03-2003, 11:37 PM

More characters, creatures, ships, and planets from The Thrawn Trilogy were added to starwars.com's (http://www.starwars.com) databank.

Gilad Pellaeon (http://www.starwars.com/databank/character/giladpellaeon/eu.html)
Joruus C'baoth (http://www.starwars.com/databank/character/joruuscbaoth/eu.html)
Rukh (http://www.starwars.com/databank/character/rukh/eu.html)
Borsk Fey'lya (http://www.starwars.com/databank/character/borskfeylya/eu.html)
Garm Bel Iblis (http://www.starwars.com/databank/character/garmbeliblis/eu.html)
Sena Leikvold Midanyl (http://www.starwars.com/databank/character/sena/eu.html)
Ghent (http://www.starwars.com/databank/character/ghent/eu.html)
Winter (http://www.starwars.com/databank/character/winter/eu.html)
Skipray blastboat (http://www.starwars.com/databank/starship/skipray/eu.html)
Dreadnaught heavy cruiser (http://www.starwars.com/databank/starship/dreadnaught/eu.html)
shieldship (http://www.starwars.com/databank/starship/shieldship/eu.html)
Wayland (http://www.starwars.com/databank/location/wayland/eu.html)
ysalamiri (http://www.starwars.com/databank/creature/ysalamiri/eu.html)

Check out the feature over there: The Thrawn Crisis (http://www.starwars.com/databank/news/2003/04/news20030403.html)

Ripley the Warmaster

10-07-2004, 01:11 AM

<span style="color:blue">I've read Thrawn Trilogy twice. Liked it first time, hated it second time.</span>

Soontir Solo

10-07-2004, 01:14 AM

Sometimes I just don't understand you Sniper. Anyways the Thrawn Trilogy is the best EU out there along with NJO.

DarthSolo

10-07-2004, 04:39 AM

really was a good trilogy

Tresk Im'nel

10-07-2004, 05:28 AM

I still consider it among the best parts of the EU. Also a pretty good starting point for the post-ROTJ EU because of the number of EU characters who debuted in TTT.

Greedo Boy

10-07-2004, 07:24 AM

I still need to read it. I've read the comic version, which I really enjoyed, but I haven't even seen the books as of yet. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif

Tresk Im'nel

10-07-2004, 08:40 AM

If you can't find copies at your local bookstore, try the public library. Most of them have the Thrawn Trilogy, in my experience...

Ripley the Warmaster

10-07-2004, 06:25 PM

Originally posted by Soontir Solo@Oct 6 2004, 11:14 PM
Sometimes I just don't understand you Sniper. Anyways the Thrawn Trilogy is the best EU out there along with NJO.
<div align="right">Quoted post</div>

<span style="color:blue">Reason I didn't like Thrawn Trilogy follows like so. When I read TTT the first time, I hadn't read very many novels then. When I re-read it a second a time, I had read the works of Clarke, Herbert, Dr. Asimov, Stover, Tolkien, Homer, and Crichton to name a few. None of Zahn's works, or almost any author period, reaches the greatness of the authors I've listed. It was good when I was new to reading in general, but is laughable compared to some of the greatest authors of all time.

Second, I didn't like any of his characters. Thrawn was a laughable attempt at a villain, Mara is nothing more than a Mary Sue, and Karrde has had very little character development over the novels. The only being is that he worked for the New Republic now.

Combine all those together, and you see why I find this trilogy to be very subpar.</span>

Soontir Solo

10-07-2004, 11:13 PM

Well I totally disagree about the characters. Mara, Thrawn, Kaarde, Bel Iblis, Ghent, Aves, Drayson, Cabaoth, Pellaeon, and all of the new characters were great. And EU has used all of these characters almost. Its great.

Greedo Boy

10-07-2004, 11:35 PM

Originally posted by Sniper Wolf the Warmaster@Oct 7 2004, 05:25 PM
[color=blue]Reason I didn't like Thrawn Trilogy follows like so. When I read TTT the first time, I hadn't read very many novels then. When I re-read it a second a time, I had read the works of Clarke, Herbert, Dr. Asimov, Stover, Tolkien, Homer, and Crichton to name a few. None of Zahn's works, or almost any author period, reaches the greatness of the authors I've listed. It was good when I was new to reading in general, but is laughable compared to some of the greatest authors of all time.

Reading Tolkien gives me stomach cramps. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/barf.gif

Well, from what I saw in the comics, The Trawn Trilogy should be extremely good as a book, and I greatly look forward to actually reading it for once!

Whuffa

10-08-2004, 08:41 AM

I think you really can't compare SW books with such sci-fi masterpieces. I mean as cool as the EU may be, the authors don't have complete literary freedom and that handicaps the book from the start. SW books are fun and can be pretty damn good (like Traitor, for example), but let's not compare them to books that are on a completley different level.

Soontir Solo

10-08-2004, 02:16 PM

Thats a good point.

Darth Nuke

10-09-2004, 01:47 AM

I just finished the Thrawn trilogy yesterday, and am now on the two other Thrawn books. TTT was probably the best EU material I've read to date that felt like Star Wars. I actually liked the Empire in TTT, the books made me understand them. And Thrawns death was great to me, the smile and his last line made his death all worth it.

Thrawn is way better than the Vong. The Vong used military might to take the Galaxy. Thrawn didn't have military might, he only had what the Moffs would allow him to use, which was a very small force, and with that small force he took most of the Galaxy back from the Republic. Plus Wedge said it himself in TFP

Cel: "What do you suppose Thrawn would make of the Yuuzhan Vong"

Wedge: "Ground Vong, probably-if he had a few examples of their art."

DarthSolo

10-09-2004, 02:07 AM

I wouldn't say thrawn was waay better than the YV. They come pretty close IMO, the only reason i chose the YV is because i am enthrawled by their culture. I would have loved to see Thrawn vs YV. I dont know taht wedge was completely accurate in his words, but it would be interesting.

Soontir Solo

10-11-2004, 06:36 PM

I think Thrawn would have beat them pretty badly. He would have responded to the threat immediately and not allowed politics to get in the way of what needed to be done like Borsk Fey'la did.

And Nuke, From how I read the book the Moffs didn't command Thrawn. He commanded the Empire. He was Supreme Commander over anything. He was never seen consulting Moffs or anything. He did what he wanted. Too bad he didn't come back earlier, he probably could have overthrown Zsinj and taking all of his ships and territory. If he had done that I don't think the New Republic would have had a chance.

Darth Nuke

10-11-2004, 08:47 PM

I don't know really, but I heard that the info about the Moffs comes from A source guide something. I believe it was a fix for the reason why Thrawn never had that big of a force.

Soontir Solo

10-11-2004, 10:56 PM

He never had that big of a force to be used for attack because so many ships were used for defending planets, were controlled by the Imperial Warlords (like Harrsk, Taradoc, and Krennel), and because there simply just weren't that many left anyways.

Ripley the Warmaster

10-12-2004, 06:47 PM

Originally posted by Whuffa@Oct 8 2004, 06:41 AM
I think you really can't compare SW books with such sci-fi masterpieces. I mean as cool as the EU may be, the authors don't have complete literary freedom and that handicaps the book from the start. SW books are fun and can be pretty damn good (like Traitor, for example), but let's not compare them to books that are on a completley different level.
<div align="right">Quoted post</div>

<span style="color:blue">I'll list SW novels that make TTT look a pathetic.
1). Shatterpoint. Stover creates a great world, and he pushes the envelope while keeping the feel of the prequels.
2). Darth Maul: Shadow Hunter. It gives Maul's point of view, which is great. Reaves is able to give us likeable characters for a book that was basically Maul killing people.
3). MedStar 1: Battle Surgeons. Reaves and Perry use the Bantam idea of using minor characters, and doens't screw it up.(which X-Wing is a huge screwup) You have an unique view of the Clone Wars without compramising the Star Wars feel.

There are more to list, but I don't have time to list them.</span>

Soontir Solo

10-12-2004, 10:53 PM

Well I haven't read MedStar 1 yet but I think TTT is better than the first two. Yes those books are more about the up close and personal looks at there two respected main characters but TTT introduces so many new characters that I just thought were great. It had great battles, good political stuff, reading about Thrawn and him doing the impossible was just incredible, and the addition of all the Smuggler stuff was a real plus. I think TTT remains one of the best parts of the EU to this day. And I do think it is much better than Shatterpoint and Darth Maul.

Darth Nuke

10-12-2004, 11:03 PM

I've read Shatterpoint, and I really don't believe that it's better then the TTT. But I'm not really into the Clone War thing right now, concidering the War has been a little toned down because of Episode 3. I like Star Wars novels that show the effects of war on a Galactic scale. Plus all the character in the books were just great. I knew exactly what was going to happen in the books from reading reviews and hearing other people talk about the, but reading them personally was outstanding. Thrawn in my opinion is probably the greatest EU character ever created.

Man how I wished he would have been around to face the Vong. Perhaps Zahn could create an Infinites novel.

Soontir Solo

10-12-2004, 11:06 PM

An infinities novel would be cool, though I think Thrawn would beat the Vong very easily. He wouldn't give them a chance to consolidate and take planets with no opposition like Borsk did.

Darth Nuke

10-12-2004, 11:19 PM

Probably, but it would be cool just the same. Zahn could do it three different ways as well.

1. Thrawn fights vong in time's under Palpatine
2. Thrawn fights Vong as leader of the Empire
3.Thrawn fights Vong with the GFFA, or at least during the time of the GFFA.

Soontir Solo

10-12-2004, 11:25 PM

Yah, under Palpatine he really would have hurt um badly because that was when the Empire had about 25,000 Star Destroyers.

Darth Nuke

10-12-2004, 11:56 PM

But you also have to take into fact the Palpatine might play around a little to much. Then again he might not. Either way Thrawn will call him out on it, Palpatine will get mad, then realize that he can't get rid of his greatest Grand Admiral.

I want to see a story that shows how Thrawn ***** slapped Palpatine the first time. Spoken of in DFR.

Soontir Solo

10-13-2004, 12:10 AM

Zahn might write something one of these days about Thrawn while he was in the service of Palpatine.

BoHeDia

10-17-2004, 03:56 AM

^i sure hope so...

QuanGeorKast

10-17-2004, 09:27 PM

kool man

Soontir Solo

10-17-2004, 09:54 PM

I think it would be cool for Zahn to create a novel or trilogy or whatever about Talon Kaarde and what he was doing before TTT.

BoHeDia

10-17-2004, 09:57 PM

all i have to say about the question that starrted this board, are you serious?

Soontir Solo

10-17-2004, 09:59 PM

Believe it or not some don't like TTT. Sad but true.

BoHeDia

10-17-2004, 10:05 PM

NOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo !!!

Soontir Solo

10-18-2004, 12:44 AM

Yah, I know how you feel.

BoHeDia

10-18-2004, 03:47 PM

wow, i never thought it possible...

Ripley the Warmaster

11-15-2004, 08:16 PM

Originally posted by BoHeDia@Oct 18 2004, 12:47 PM
wow, i never thought it possible...
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<span style="color:red">Someone has never been to Theforce.net. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif</span>

Soontir Solo

11-15-2004, 10:05 PM

I look in on theforce.net every once in awhile, but I like Galactic Senate just fine so I don't really get involved in anything over there.

Ripley the Warmaster

11-16-2004, 01:45 AM

Originally posted by Soontir Solo@Nov 15 2004, 08:05 PM
I look in on theforce.net every once in awhile, but I like Galactic Senate just fine so I don't really get involved in anything over there.
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<span style="color:red">I criticise from a lit POV. Some of those people who dislike Zahn are pyscho.</span>

Soontir Solo

11-16-2004, 02:47 PM

They must be for disliking Zahn

Hartter

03-18-2005, 12:57 PM

These are the books consiting of Heir to the Empire, Last Command and the other one, right? I LOVE the Prequel-Era books, with the exception of Rogue Planet (though the beginning race was awesome), and the Clone Wars novels are the greatest. I never liked the characters Mara Jade and Thrawn...I thought they were crappy designs and concepts. But, now I've read everything from Cloak of Deception to Labyrinth of Evil, and I'm interested in these books. I remember being psyched to see them on bookshelves back in the early 90's but didn't groove on the synopsis on the back cover, so I never read them. Shadows of the Empire is the best Classic Trilogy book I've read. In fact, I love it.

My big problem with every post-ROTJ book i've picked up to read is how un-Star wars like they are. I was interested in reading teh New Rebellion until i read that the bad guy wears a Skeletor mask and his name is Dolph. Too much. The NJO books are like cheesy Sci-Fi Channel made for TV versions of Star Wars (I tried reading Vector prime, but survey says BEEP). I even prefer the old school Han Solo Adventures to these books.

Tell me honestly, is this original Zahn Trilogy "Star wars' enough?...I can picture the Prequel-Era books as films, but if something like 'the Courtship of Princess Leia' or 'The Crystal Star' was made into a flick I would have to hang myself.

Soontir Solo

03-18-2005, 02:36 PM

First off The Thrawn Trilogy is probably the most liked bit of EU out there (though with Labyrinth of Evil liked by so many that might not be for long). It has the exact feeling of the OT in my opinion. It is great to see how th emain characters are developing and to see the shape the galaxy is in. Thrawn is hands down the greatest enemy in Star Wars history I think, he is the one enemy that you will like and root on. Mara Jade, Talon Kaarde, and Garm Bel Iblis were great additions to Star Wars that came from TTT as well. If you like the prequels then I don't see why you wouldn't like TTT.

And don't judge the post-ROTJ EU by The New Rebellion. The book in my opinion wasn't very good. TTT is 100 times better.

I really don't see your problem with NJO. I love NJO to be honest. It is my favorite thign about Star Wars and my favorite Star Wars character of all time is my favorite because of the NJO (Jacen Solo). It sounds like you haven't even really read NJO and you are making that opinion. How far did you get in Vector Prime? Honestly I would recommend reading at least the first 3 books of the NJO series and then making that opinion. The series is really awesome in my opinion. Tons of action, many lightsaber fights (in every novel), tons of space battles, all the main characters plus great new characters and other EU characters developed.

When I bought a NJO book I would pretty much read it straight through without stopping. That is how good they are. Don't judge the whole series by what part of Vector Prime you have read or what you have heard about it.

TuskenRaider1

03-18-2005, 03:05 PM

Originally posted by Hartter@Mar 18 2005, 11:57 AM
My big problem with every post-ROTJ book i've picked up to read is how un-Star wars like they are. I was interested in reading teh New Rebellion until i read that the bad guy wears a Skeletor mask and his name is Dolph. Too much. The NJO books are like cheesy Sci-Fi Channel made for TV versions of Star Wars (I tried reading Vector prime, but survey says BEEP). I even prefer the old school Han Solo Adventures to these books.

Tell me honestly, is this original Zahn Trilogy "Star wars' enough?...I can picture the Prequel-Era books as films, but if something like 'the Courtship of Princess Leia' or 'The Crystal Star' was made into a flick I would have to hang myself.
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The TTT was the first major Post-ROTJ series out there that got the fan base moving. Mara Jade and Thrawn in addition to Palleon, the Noghri, and Talon Karrde have been used by almost every post-TTT EU novel used. The TTT was the hook that got many fans into the EU. That alone should be reason to read it. The Crystal star is a book I can agree, as most EU fans can, that probably shouldnt have seen teh light of day, but the TTT is a far cry better than it, and most other EU as well

As for the NJO, I have to say that the first book or two was a little hard to get around in my mind. It seemed so different that it was hard to see the SW links. The more I read though (and remember it is a 19 book story arc) the more the EU and OT characters were developed and interconnected to the Vong and the new plot. The series took a big step in rekindling some of the OT feeling that had plateaued a bit by the end of Bantams run of production. By the end of the NJO I felt the entire experience had been a worthwhile addition to SW, while obtaining a greater appreciation for the earlier NJO books in light of later developments.

Give TTT a serious look. It is a heck of a character introduction. As for the NJO get beyond the first couple books to get the full grasp of the story arc, and youll find yourself hard pressed to put the rest of the series down...

Hartter

03-19-2005, 12:16 AM

Alright...I'll e-bay the Thrawn trilogy, but I don't think I'll ever be sold on the NJO books. Besides, i just got a hardback copy of both Medstar books today, so that's next on my roster. Thanks for the opinions!

Master Shrive

03-19-2005, 02:10 AM

I'll add my two cents while I'm here. Glad to hear you'll give TTT ago. You shouldn't be disapointed. As for the NJO, I would also recommend it.

I've only had the opurtunity to read a couple of books from the series (my local library is poorly stocked), but I loved them. I thought they were really well written, and the action and adventure could be easily visualised.

Still, try the TTT, and if you think our opinions were right about that series you might consider the NJO.

Cheers,

Master Shrive.

jfreadjr

03-24-2005, 10:38 PM

ive read the trawn trilogy over 20 times. its well written. zahn captured the feel of the movies. he left no holes in the story lines what so ever.

TuskenRaider1

03-25-2005, 12:03 PM

Glad your gonna try it out. Hopefully you wont be disappointed.

Galahad_Skywalker

03-25-2005, 02:12 PM

Just finished the Thrawn Trilogy last fall...it was the best Star Wars EU I had read up to that point. They're probably the best starting point for the EU, just because they do have the Star Wars feel to them. About the only problem I had with the books was that it took awhile to get all of the plot lines fully woven together, which slowed down the story a little too much, but still the ending was worth it and the characterization was great.

mirax terrik horn

04-01-2005, 04:00 PM

Wow it has been a while since I have read TTT I should get those from the library.

lordmakalpine

04-01-2005, 11:02 PM

Two words: HELL YES. The Thrawn trilogy is amazing, especially the comic versions. Me and many other fans view it as their sequel trilogy, you (hand wave) *must* read those books.

Commander Zero

04-02-2005, 07:02 AM

Ive got a question about this trilogy... i haven't read it also... I know that there is a clone of Luke here, I want to know if he has force powers here and is it the same level with the original Luke's force powers? I want to know because I am on a study about the Force sensitivity being cloned. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/victory.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ewok.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/victory.gif

JMAS

04-02-2005, 03:31 PM

Yes, Luuke was force sensitive also. We don't really get to see to what extent, whether he was as powerful as Luke or not because he was killed by Mara Jade shortly after his introduction into the story style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

And I would have to say that TTT is my the best of all the EU material written. It is the adam and eve from which all the rest of the SW EU was born.

Soontir Solo

04-05-2005, 02:48 AM

Luuke did fight with teh real Luke and Luke beat him. Mara ended up killing him of couse. I would say he was pretty strong in the force though.

mirax terrik horn

04-05-2005, 12:02 PM

Ha it only took me four days to round up the TTT from friends and public library. So I will be starting that today.

numah1fan

05-02-2005, 10:59 PM

if u got a big attention span yes if you have a smallone no

Soontir Solo

05-03-2005, 01:11 AM

If you have an attention span at all you will like this book.

Master Shrive

05-03-2005, 02:21 AM

^Gotta agree with that...

Braden Dar

03-08-2006, 12:25 AM

I read the TT over one weekend. Stayed up all night Friday and Saturday to accomplish that one. I was hooked. The characters and the action.
I agree that the feel of the movies was well captured in this trilogy. Two lightsabers up for the Thrawn Trilogy.

It did help that I really like space battles and was deep into the Force story arc. Mara Jade was great. Talon Karde was better than Calrissian. I could on for awhile, but I don't have all night to digest the books for you.

GREAT BOOKS !!!!!!

Lord Nero

03-08-2006, 04:47 AM

i also would recommend the njo series.

with this caution: if youre trying to go from ot era to vector prime thats a huuuuge time jump. i would definitely suggest reading up on the eu events at least through darksaber, and the young jedi knights books.

i would also recommend the thrawn trilogy if for no other reason than the additions of talon karrde and joruus c'baoth, both of whom i think are great characters.

of course mara is in it too.http://www.yaay.us/~forsaken/smilies/55naughty.gif

Leviathan24

03-08-2006, 06:51 AM

I think the TTT is also great, I especialy liked Captian Pellaeon in the trilogy. He represent a man who's loyalty is unmatched. This man just has no conscience at all, and follows his leader Thrawn to great extend. The trilogy got a great balance, then you read a passage of the Empire, then of the Smugglers (Jade and Karrde) and then back to the young New Republic. Also it isn't straightforward, to an extend that I thought Winter was the imperial spy (they were looking for) because she like Thrawn got a perfect memory, and I thought they did go to the same institute, this was a false thought. Interesting I am if more people thought this way.

Earlier in the tread was spoke of waiting time in libaries, not I Holland no not here I can loan books till I drop if I want to, especially when its english, so loan in Holland, cus nobody (or very small amount of people, no offense) reads Star Wars there:)

Soontir Solo

03-08-2006, 12:08 PM

Leviathan..........I assume you like Thomas Hobbes with that name?

I would agree with everything you say except saying Pellaeon has no conscience. I think he does, it is simply that Thrawn never did all that much to warrant Pellaeon's conscience being used. Thrawn was a great leader and had a noble goal, which Pellaeon recognized and was loyal too.

Leviathan24

03-08-2006, 09:47 PM

Let try to explain what I meant with no conscience, Soontir. You will find that in Darksaber Pelleaon again sides with an admiral, admiral Daala (okay Thrawn was a Grand Admiral). I think Pelleaon can only exist with a strong person (leader) beside him. Cus after the Last Command he degraded from having a Star Destroyer at his command, to a Victory Destroyer (due to the fact he did had a childish leader above him). In my opinion someone has got no conscience when he's instantly follows others and always side with people he thinks can make up decisions for him.

To give some credit to Pelleaon, he has got a great way in sensing new leaders, that is for even more something benefical. Furthermore as you stated yourself he's tremendously loyal, which is ofcourse earlier with lower grate of conscience...

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The main reason I can myself Leviathan is due to the fact its the ship that destroys Taris in the Knights of the Old Republic era, with Saul Karath as Captain... But I have to agree that Thomas Hobbes has written theories I agree upon...

Soontir Solo

03-08-2006, 10:54 PM

First off Pellaeon didn't get "degraded" between The Last Command and Darksaber. He was made a Vice Admiral (big-step up from Captain) and given command of an entire fleet of Victory Class Star Destroyers, which is a huge step up from comming a single Imperial Star Destroyer.

And Pellaeon existing only with a strong person beside him isn't accurate in my opinion. Look at what he did after Darksaber. He led the Imperial Remnant's military by himself and seemed to handle himself well. Since then he has done an amazing job leading his forces against the Yuuzghan Vong and then recently commanding all GFFA forces against the Killiks. He obviously has a conscience because he sided with the GFFA against the Vong, instead of following the opinions of his Moffs. He doesn't simply follow orders blindly. He does what he feels is right and just, like siding with Thrawn who he saw as a man who could justly unite and protect the galaxy. Same reason he sided with the GFFA against the Vong. He most definitely has a conscience, a very outspoken one in my opinion.

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I didn't much enjoy studying Hobbes really, though I do thank Hobbes for being the first to really stress the social contract. Guys like Locke might not have made use of the social contract without Hobbes being the first to stress it.

TuskenRaider1

03-09-2006, 11:46 AM

Have to agree with Soontir here. Paelleon has a concious, but it is important to remember that until the HoT duology, he always had that strong hand to fall back on. Look at parallels in other works, such as Clancy. Jack Ryan is a solid guy, who on his own is fine, but likes having the strong hand around to check him (his lines in Executive Order to Arnie explain this concept exactly) Im not looking to start a discussion comparing the two in ANY other quality, though Im sure some could be found, but the idea that even a solid character needs or desires a reassuring force behind the decision does not imply a lack of understanding of what needs to be done, but serves as a safety net. Gilad had Thrawn, Daala (who he disagreed with time to time, but as a miltiary man to the corp knew his place) and then others. By the time of HoT, he has a series of bickering Moffs who dont give him teh safety net, but prove to him that he can make independent decisions without that reassurance. By the time of NJO he is confortable in his role, and continues to play the balancing act. Be interesting to see him develop if he doesnt retire again in LotF, but still, he matured and grew through his seniors and then came into his own as a leader. And that requires an understanding of personal concious, even if it doesnt need to be justified to others.

JMAS

03-09-2006, 06:28 PM

I agree with Soontir. Pallaeon does not need a strong leader character. He IS a strong leader character. I agree that he has the ability to recognize a strong cunning leader and has no problem submitting to that figure of authority if he believes in what they stand for. I think Pallaeon has no desire to fame and glory. He is an honest and honorable military man.

trebor gahkor

03-09-2006, 07:12 PM

Just thought I would point something out to all of you Joruus C'Baoth fans out there. C'Baoth appears in James Luceno's book, "Cloak of Deception" where for a brief moment he talks to Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan. Just a fact that I thought you all may be interested in. Also, I have to say that I LOVE the Thrawn Trilogy and pretty much anything written by Timothy Zahn. I haven't bought his new book yet, but I plan on buying it when it is released on Paperback.

Braden Dar

03-09-2006, 07:34 PM

Again, I really liked the story arc with Mara Jade and her feelings towards Luke...the whole "you cost me my position as the Emperor's hand" plot. And Karrde coming onto the scene as the man in the smuggling circuit.
The vornskrs were cool, too.

Soontir Solo

03-10-2006, 02:46 AM

I really liked the Garm Bel Iblis twist with the revelation that he was the primary founder of the Rebel Alliance in the beginning and then left after Bail Organa was killed because he thought Mon Mothma just wanted to replace Palpatine. Then now having him come back and being the only one on the New Republic's side who could half way hold his own against Thrawn was cool in my opinion. It isn't an accident that in Hand of Thrawn Duology, Pellaeon specifically wanted to negotiate with Bel Iblis concerning a treaty between the Remnant and the New Republic. I remember that he specifically said he had great respect for Bel Iblis.

TuskenRaider1

03-10-2006, 11:24 AM

AndBel Iblis served as a connection to Han as well. I thought that was well done. Garm was decent characetr, even though he is not represented in teh films, though the novelizations have Fang Zar I believe as his representative to the delegation of 2000. The Mon Mothma/Garm dynamic is also well done, since the movies focus on the other part of teh trio, Bail.

JMAS

03-10-2006, 06:21 PM

^ I don't think any of the senators shown in the deleted "Delegation of 2000" scenes was meant to "represent" Bel Iblis in any sense. As I remember it, he left and withdrew the Corellian system from the Republic before Palpatine declared the New Order. He was disgusted with Palpatine's draconian measures during the Clone Wars.

TuskenRaider1

03-10-2006, 06:54 PM

^Yeah but in the novelization (or perhaps it was Dark Lord, I cant remember) isomeone says Fang Zar was so close to Bel Iblis, he may as well ahve been in the room. Thats the line or somethign close to it. Ill look for the reference.

Braden Dar

03-11-2006, 06:48 PM

Unfortunantly, when I read the Thrawn Trilogy I didn't know anything about Star Wars except for the basics of the Original Trilogy. So much of the interconnections of characters was lost on me at the time.
Now I know better...and I strive to find the connections and absorb the personal histories of each character in a novel.

I like the working in of the Legendary Katana Fleet, though. A Dreadnaught may be a lighter capital ship by the OT's standards, but enough of them together is still an armada.

Soontir Solo

03-13-2006, 03:16 PM

Yeah, TR1 is right. When you read the book they mention Bel Iblis as associated with Fang Zar, I remember that now.

JMAS

03-15-2006, 06:11 PM

In which book do they mention Fang Zar/Bel Iblis? Is is the Dark Lord book? I don't have that one yet.

Soontir Solo

03-15-2006, 06:28 PM

Star Wars Episode 3 Revenge of the Sith
by Matt Stover

Luvinna

03-15-2006, 11:36 PM

I've been reading TTT again since OF came out and a question just came to mind as I was reading TLC earlier tonight.

In HTTE and TLC, they mention a "Guardian" of Mount Tantiss. Joruus C'baoth mentions that he killed him to take over ruling the mountain, and the Myneyrshi and the Psadans mention this "Guardian" during their peace meeting with Luke and Co, too. Do we know who the "Guardian" is/was? I don't remember coming across any real clues as I've re-read the series.

Soontir Solo

03-16-2006, 10:43 AM

Good question........I don't recall anything that would let us know of his identity either. It would be nice to find out someday though. I am thinking it was probably some Dark Jedi though, or some kind of equivalent to the Emperors Hand, which according to Thrawn the Emperor had more than one of.

JMAS

03-16-2006, 12:48 PM

He was insane. I think Joruus C'Boath WAS the guardian.

Luvinna

03-16-2006, 10:23 PM

I don't think C'baoth could be the Guardian. Even the Psadans refer to them as two different people. Here's what one of the Psadan's say about the sequence of events (translated by Threepio, of course):
Originally posted by The Last Command@ pg 347
The humans who came as colonists were the first invaders. The drove the native peoples from some of their lands, and were stopped only when their lightning bows and metal birds ... began to fail. Much later came the Empire, who as we know built into the forbidden mountain. They enslaved many of the native peoples to help on the project and drove others from their lands. After the builders left came someone who called himself the Guardian, and he, too, sought control over the native peoples. Finally, the one who called himself the Jedi Master came, and in a battle that lit up the sky he defeated the Guardian.

When Thrawn and Pellaeon first arrive on Wayland to talk to the Guardian, Thrawn is expecting him to be a Dark Jedi. When they finally find someone who will take them to the Guardian, this person (who we later find out is C'baoth) takes them to a crypt, saying the people of Wayland built it for the Guardian "when I began to rule" (or to put it another way, after C'baoth killed him). And later when Thrawn addresses C'baoth as the Guardian, C'baoth gets mad , almost as if it was an insult for him to be called the Guardian.

I think they're definitely two different people. I hadn't thought of another Hand. I was thinking earlier that the Guardian may have just been another clone of C'baoth that the other clone killed, but I don't know.

JMAS

03-17-2006, 11:36 AM

It had been a long time since I read them. I may have to pick of TTT again and start it again :)

Definitely two different people. Interesting idea that it could have been one clone of C'boath killing another clone of him. But likely, it was just one of the Inquisitors or dark jedi Palpatine employed, like Sedriss was. I doubt he would have wasted one of his Hands on it. They were assassins and covert operatives, not security guards.

exarkun

03-17-2006, 02:11 PM

Originally posted by Jedi Master Gandalf@Sep 11 2002, 11:49 AM
I'm not too big a fan of EU, but I decided to read some SW books that takes place after ROTJ. I picked up Roger MacBride Allen's Corellian Trilogy [absolutely terrible] and then I moved on to Heir to the Empire. I just want to know, is the Thrawn Trilogy worth a damn, or am I walking into another trap?
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ya, i have the same problem too. But there was another problem: I only have the first book of the thrawn trilogy! So, could anyone kindly fill me in on the other part of the novel?

Braden Dar

03-17-2006, 06:37 PM

Gentlemen...the EU is full of variety and there are a good number of different books out there if you didn't like a story you've already read. And as for the Thrawn Trilogy, it is a very good series full of the Force, the best Star Wars characters (from Luke, Leia and Han to the droids and so on) and a well written plotline that keeps you thouroughly entertained.
There are parts, such as Mount Tantis, that tell a complex story about the Emperor and how he planned out his future rule.
The Noghri are pretty cool, and how they...oops, that's a spoiler! You'll just have to read the books to find out.