Revenge of the Sith

[Gazelle]

Episode III is THE prequel movie, the only one we ever needed.

I have been thinking about this for a while. When Episode III hits our screens next year, it will be the movie that we have all been waiting for. The fall of Anakin Skywalker to the dark side of the Force and the creation of Darth Vader. To this moment, the entire prequel trilogy has been headed for almost ten years. I want to argue in this thread that Episode III is really the only prequel movie we ever really wanted or needed to see.

DON'T GET ME WRONG. I have enjoyed the prequel movies. I am not bashing them here. But the prequel trilogy is not really about Count Dooku or Mace Windu, or Padme. It is about Darth Vader. Consequently, one could say that Episodes I and II have been merely padding, or time fillers as we await this dramatic final episode of the prequels.

Maybe, if an overzealous George Lucas had not repackaged the original Star Wars movie as "Episode IV" back in the early eighties, we might not have been viewing a prequel trilogy over these last few years at all, but perhaps one or two movies, telling the story of the young Darth Vader and the young Ben Kenobi.

Now I know what people will say. "Ah, but we needed to know how the Empire was formed! We needed to know where Anakin came from and what made him bad. We needed to see how Palpatine rose to power, and how the Republic became corrupt, " etc, etc.

My answer would be "Did we? Did we really?" I am not at all sure. Once again, let me stress, I have enjoyed seeing these details, but they were hardly essential. By this same argument, are we to have a further set of prequels that examine the fall of Palpatine, the birth of Shmi Skywalker, or how the Trade Federation went bad? Of course not. And the prequel movie(s) could just so easily have begun with the Empire in place, and wicked old Palpatine already sat upon his throne.

When I was a kid back in the early eighties and talk of prequels was first mentioned, I used to dream of the movie where we would see Ben Kenobi and Darth Vader fighting near that volcano, with Vader ultimately falling into it. I suspected that in these films the backdrop would not be the Empire but the Clone Wars, a sequence of Star Wars history that disappointingly and amazingly the prequels have left almost completely alone (in Episode II we have the first battle and in Episode III the last battle!). I never imagined Jar Jar, or Chancellor Valorum, or even Yoda playing any great part in them. Anakin Skywalker I imagined to be very similar to Luke Skywalker, a courageous young farmhand taking on the ways of the Force and battling evil. Hehe, I certainly wasn't expecting Jake Lloyd.

No, what we wanted was the fight. The famous "volcano" duel between the master and his apprentice, spoken of in the ROTJ novel. Episode III will give us this. This is why I believe that Episode III cannot fail to deliver. Whether or not the production values are good (I am sure they will be extraordinary) or the dialogue, it will all be kind of incidental. It is the movie we have wanted to see for twenty years. There can be no slowing down of the pace, as the linking between Episodes III and IV will wow our hearts. Even the expositional scenes will be electric as they move the story on like a helter-skelter ride towards the mask of Vader. I predict that it will be everyone's favourite prequel movie and probably everyone's second favourite of the whole series.

Episodes I and II have been enjoyable. I am probably still an OT guy, but the prequels have had some good scenes in them and some excellent action pieces. But Episode III is what it's all about. What it has always been all about. It is all we needed and wanted. The circle is now complete.

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by Gazelle@May 15 2004, 04:14 AM
I want to argue in this thread that Episode III is really the only prequel movie we ever really wanted or needed to see.
I got two things to say to this.

We don't 'need' movies at all. And it's really not about what we want. While I'm sure many of us we'll like what we get it's up to the filmmaker to make the movie as he sees fit, it's up to him to make the movie that hopefully other people will like, but not to make a movie that caters to what everybody wants it to be.

I for one can say however, that Episode 3 is not all I ever wanted to see, Episode 3 alone does not show us the big picture, it's just shows us the end, not how we got to the end. I for one want to know how we got there and why we got there. The climax isn't worth it if you don't lead up to it, it'd just be the end and that's that.


Now I know what people will say. "Ah, but we needed to know how the Empire was formed! We needed to know where Anakin came from and what made him bad. We needed to see how Palpatine rose to power, and how the Republic became corrupt, " etc, etc.
Because THAT is exactly what the Prequels are all about, it's about seeing a good system go bad, it's about seeing a good person go bad. If you don't see Anakin when he's a good person then seeing him go bad means absolutely nothing. The Prequels are all about seeing how all those things began, why things are the way they are later on.

[masterplan]

Maybe us OT fans don't like some things about the prequels, but think about the kids who are seeing them now. They are about the same age as I was when the I first saw the OT on the big screen. To then the PT are flawless. Lucas has created a whole new legion of fans. THAT was the point, and in that Lucas has suceeded. In the long run, the fandom will be stronger and larger because of the prequels. Just my 2 cents.

[Dutch]

If we didn't "need" to see any of the backstory, then let's go one step further.

We didn't need to see any of the events of ESB or ROTJ. The Death Star blew up, evil was vanquished, end of story. At that time, you didn't know Vader played a larger role.

It's the extra story points and layers that we got AFTER ANH that made things so awesome, and I think all of the PT movies add more great stuff.

Hell, I'd take a new SW movie every three years for the rest of my life.

George decides he wants to make new movies to show the backstory of the jedi order, sith order, palpatine, years between Ep III and ANH. I'd be the first in line and love every second of 'em even though any of the things we would be seeing would not really be "needed" (Just don't go any farther that ROTJ cause the story definitely ends there)

[Gazelle]

I feel slightly misunderstood here, (my fault). My point was that Episode III is the prequel movie of them all.

[P-Ray]

Originally posted by masterplan@May 15 2004, 07:28 AM
Maybe us OT fans don't like some things about the prequels, but think about the kids who are seeing them now. They are about the same age as I was when the I first saw the OT on the big screen. To then the PT are flawless. Lucas has created a whole new legion of fans. THAT was the point, and in that Lucas has suceeded. In the long run, the fandom will be stronger and larger because of the prequels. Just my 2 cents.
Very true!

My 7 year old son any many of his friends and acquaintances (kids in his Cub Scouts,Karate,school,etc.) love the PT. They have t-shirts,backpacks and many other things. They just love them for what they are and don't see any faults.(I glad that I'm a big kid because I don't focus for the negatives either style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif )

[P-Ray]

Originally posted by Dutch@May 15 2004, 07:48 AM
If we didn't "need" to see any of the backstory, then let's go one step further.

We didn't need to see any of the events of ESB or ROTJ. The Death Star blew up, evil was vanquished, end of story. At that time, you didn't know Vader played a larger role.

It's the extra story points and layers that we got AFTER ANH that made things so awesome, and I think all of the PT movies add more great stuff.

Hell, I'd take a new SW movie every three years for the rest of my life.

George decides he wants to make new movies to show the backstory of the jedi order, sith order, palpatine, years between Ep III and ANH. I'd be the first in line and love every second of 'em even though any of the things we would be seeing would not really be "needed" (Just don't go any farther that ROTJ cause the story definitely ends there)
I agree!

However, I would have loved to see Luke reform the edi after ROTJ. It's way too late now, but I think that would have been Awesome! Thankfully we have the books.

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by Gazelle@May 15 2004, 05:00 AM
I feel slightly misunderstood here, (my fault). My point was that Episode III is the prequel movie of them all.
I agree with this point, it's going to be the biggest and hopefully the best of them all.

[Count Dookie]

Originally posted by TK-007+May 15 2004, 07:20 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TK-007 @ May 15 2004, 07:20 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-Gazelle@May 15 2004, 04:14 AM
I want to argue in this thread that Episode III is really the only prequel movie we ever really wanted or needed to see.
I got two things to say to this.

We don't 'need' movies at all. And it's really not about what we want. While I'm sure many of us we'll like what we get it's up to the filmmaker to make the movie as he sees fit, it's up to him to make the movie that hopefully other people will like, but not to make a movie that caters to what everybody wants it to be.

I for one can say however, that Episode 3 is not all I ever wanted to see, Episode 3 alone does not show us the big picture, it's just shows us the end, not how we got to the end. I for one want to know how we got there and why we got there. The climax isn't worth it if you don't lead up to it, it'd just be the end and that's that.


Now I know what people will say. "Ah, but we needed to know how the Empire was formed! We needed to know where Anakin came from and what made him bad. We needed to see how Palpatine rose to power, and how the Republic became corrupt, " etc, etc.
Because THAT is exactly what the Prequels are all about, it's about seeing a good system go bad, it's about seeing a good person go bad. If you don't see Anakin when he's a good person then seeing him go bad means absolutely nothing. The Prequels are all about seeing how all those things began, why things are the way they are later on. [/b][/quote]
Bravo!!!

We did not "need" any of this. GL wanted to tell a story. His story!! No one elses...not the fans' version. His version. We should be glad that we have SW and GL because not for him there would be no SW.

[DarthAnakin]

Originally posted by Dutch@May 15 2004, 07:48 AM
George decides he wants to make new movies to show the backstory of the jedi order, sith order, palpatine, years between Ep III and ANH. I'd be the first in line and love every second of 'em even though any of the things we would be seeing would not really be "needed" (Just don't go any farther that ROTJ cause the story definitely ends there)
I 100% agree with you. Im still young so I didn't see the OT until 5 years before the PT, and i've been a die hard fan since then. If GL decideds to make another Trilogy I will go see them in theaters and buy them on DVD the day they come out. I also agree with Gazelle that Ep III will be the best episode in the PT.

[JKRich]

^ i agree it will be the best in the PT.I only hope it is the best in the entire saga. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[P-Ray]

Originally posted by JKRich@May 15 2004, 01:52 PM
^ i agree it will be the best in the PT.I only hope it is the best in the entire saga. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif
EPIII could be the best made but I think it will be hard to top the other ones as fan favorite. IT wouldn't be hard for me, but some fans like myself, have been Star Wars fans for over 25 years. Alot of people have endeared themselves to the OT and have had alot of years to do it. Also, after reading some of the posts in The Senate, it seems some won't "budge" from the OT and actually open their horizons and let themselves enjoy the PT. I have and I am really looking forward to EPIII. It definitely has the potential to be my favorite SW movie especially since the PT helped me to get re-energized for SW. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

[DarthAnakin]

Originally posted by JKRich@May 15 2004, 01:52 PM
^ i agree it will be the best in the PT.I only hope it is the best in the entire saga. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif
Storyline wise, it should be the best in the entire Star Wars saga.

[P-Ray]

Originally posted by DarthAnakin+May 15 2004, 02:05 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(DarthAnakin @ May 15 2004, 02:05 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-JKRich@May 15 2004, 01:52 PM
^ i agree it will be the best in the PT.I only hope it is the best in the entire saga. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif
Storyline wise, it should be the best in the entire Star Wars saga. [/b][/quote]
Yea, I guess it will definitely be the one with the most going on. That's for sure.

[DarthAnakin]

^ The most important stuff going on as well.

[P-Ray]

Originally posted by DarthAnakin@May 15 2004, 02:25 PM
^ The most important stuff going on as well.
Oh Yea! You're right, for the whole series and not just the PT. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbsup.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

[DarthAnakin]

^ That's why I don't know if I can last just waiting for it for over another year!!!

[P-Ray]

Originally posted by DarthAnakin@May 15 2004, 02:32 PM
^ That's why I don't know if I can last just waiting for it for over another year!!!
That drives me crazy too because I'm pumped for it NOW.

But, I think of it this way....

August-we'll have spoilers from the pick up shots.

Sept.-we'll have the OT DVD with EPIII stuff. Plus GL may name EPIII around that time.

Soon after we will probably have a teaser trailer.

Then it will be next year and the full EPIII promotion will be on.We'll get the full trailer,magazines and all kinds of other stuff and before you know it, EPIII will be here. :roll:

[DarthAnakin]

Originally posted by P-Ray+May 15 2004, 02:44 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(P-Ray @ May 15 2004, 02:44 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-DarthAnakin@May 15 2004, 02:32 PM
^ That's why I don't know if I can last just waiting for it for over another year!!!
That drives me crazy too because I'm pumped for it NOW.

But, I think of it this way....

August-we'll have spoilers from the pick up shots.

Sept.-we'll have the OT DVD with EPIII stuff. Plus GL may name EPIII around that time.

Soon after we will probably have a teaser trailer.

Then it will be next year and the full EPIII promotion will be on.We'll get the full trailer,magazines and all kinds of other stuff and before you know it, EPIII will be here. :roll: [/b][/quote]
Yeah I think once the OT comes out on DVD and when we get the EpIII title, it will last me probably until January-February. But from then till May im going to go CRAZY!!!

[P-Ray]

Originally posted by DarthAnakin+May 15 2004, 02:47 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(DarthAnakin @ May 15 2004, 02:47 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'>
Originally posted by P-Ray@May 15 2004, 02:44 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-DarthAnakin@May 15 2004, 02:32 PM
^ That's why I don't know if I can last just waiting for it for over another year!!!
That drives me crazy too because I'm pumped for it NOW.

But, I think of it this way....

August-we'll have spoilers from the pick up shots.

Sept.-we'll have the OT DVD with EPIII stuff. Plus GL may name EPIII around that time.

Soon after we will probably have a teaser trailer.

Then it will be next year and the full EPIII promotion will be on.We'll get the full trailer,magazines and all kinds of other stuff and before you know it, EPIII will be here. :roll:
Yeah I think once the OT comes out on DVD and when we get the EpIII title, it will last me probably until January-February. But from then till May im going to go CRAZY!!! [/b][/quote]
Yea, but I think it will be downhill from there.

The beginning of next year, we will hopefully be inundated(?) with EPIII stuff.

[P-Ray]

Originally posted by P-Ray+May 15 2004, 02:44 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(P-Ray @ May 15 2004, 02:44 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-DarthAnakin@May 15 2004, 02:32 PM
^ That's why I don't know if I can last just waiting for it for over another year!!!
That drives me crazy too because I'm pumped for it NOW.

But, I think of it this way....

August-we'll have spoilers from the pick up shots.

Sept.-we'll have the OT DVD with EPIII stuff. Plus GL may name EPIII around that time.

Soon after we will probably have a teaser trailer.

Then it will be next year and the full EPIII promotion will be on.We'll get the full trailer,magazines and all kinds of other stuff and before you know it, EPIII will be here. :roll: [/b][/quote]
I also forgot to add that this month and in the beginning of June, I will be going to Star Wars weekends at MGM. There will be a little EPIII suff there too. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[DarthAnakin]

^ Theres no Star Wars stuff up here, no conventions or anything. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif

[James]

I know what you mean DA, I seem to be too far away from everything..... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/barf.gif

[JKRich]

We still have all the games that are coming out.P Ray you spoke of fans not budging from the OT for the PT.I actually now people like that.One is a close friend and he's da** frustrating with his stand against the PT. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/giveup.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/saber.gif

[DarthAnakin]

Originally posted by James@May 15 2004, 09:50 PM
I know what you mean DA, I seem to be too far away from everything..... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/barf.gif
Yeah it sucks soo bad!!!

[Trilogist]

Episode III is the most anticipated of the prequels ... with the possible exception of TPM. That had tons of hype. However, Episode III has more actual anticipation than hype, at least for now.

[P-Ray]

Originally posted by Trilogist@Jun 1 2004, 05:30 PM
Episode III is the most anticipated of the prequels ... with the possible exception of TPM. That had tons of hype. However, Episode III has more actual anticipation than hype, at least for now.
The wait is going to be a killer! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/banghead.gif The last year is always the hardest for me even with all the promotional stuff coming out in anticipation of it.

[Obi-Stu]

I see your point Gazelle, and I agree. Ep 3 is what the PT is about.

[JKRich]

I think it will be the climax of the PT.It will answer just enough of our questions and give us the greatest film action to be seen to date. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

[Gazelle]

Yes, it will

[P-Ray]

Originally posted by JKRich@Jun 4 2004, 04:04 PM
I think it will be the climax of the PT.It will answer just enough of our questions and give us the greatest film action to be seen to date. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif
I also like the fact that EPIII will be the link to the OT. It's going to be good story and definite eye candy. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[JKRich]

Then the circle will be complete...hehe

[Sluggo]

Ah, it will be great to get Star Wars closure. Then on with real life :roll:

Luckily the OT DVD's will come out at about the halfway point during the wait. If I can somehow focus all my waiting angst on Sept., then the wait for III won't be so bad.

[P-Ray]

Originally posted by Sluggo@Jun 9 2004, 11:16 AM
Ah, it will be great to get Star Wars closure. Then on with real life :roll:

Luckily the OT DVD's will come out at about the halfway point during the wait. If I can somehow focus all my waiting angst on Sept., then the wait for III won't be so bad.
Yea, I think the only hurdle is getting to Sept. for the OT DVDs. Once there, it's downhill to EPIII. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[Tarkheki JD]

I dunno, Celeb 3 has got me all excited... the OT on DVD is going to be great for the readin' week blow-out... we can play the Shoe game there too! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif

[Sluggo]

I forgot about the Celebration III.

The perfect distraction to the films that are the perfect distraction.

[DarthAnakin]

Originally posted by P-Ray+Jun 9 2004, 11:35 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(P-Ray @ Jun 9 2004, 11:35 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-Sluggo@Jun 9 2004, 11:16 AM
Ah, it will be great to get Star Wars closure. Then on with real life :roll:

Luckily the OT DVD's will come out at about the halfway point during the wait. If I can somehow focus all my waiting angst on Sept., then the wait for III won't be so bad.
Yea, I think the only hurdle is getting to Sept. for the OT DVDs. Once there, it's downhill to EPIII. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif [/b][/quote]
The OT DVD's will last me until probably February, then it will seem like forever until May.

[P-Ray]

Originally posted by DarthAnakin+Jun 16 2004, 01:09 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(DarthAnakin @ Jun 16 2004, 01:09 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'>
Originally posted by P-Ray@Jun 9 2004, 11:35 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Sluggo@Jun 9 2004, 11:16 AM
Ah, it will be great to get Star Wars closure.* Then on with real life* :roll:

Luckily the OT DVD's will come out at about the halfway point during the wait.* If I can somehow focus all my waiting angst on Sept., then the wait for III won't be so bad.
Yea, I think the only hurdle is getting to Sept. for the OT DVDs. Once there, it's downhill to EPIII. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif
The OT DVD's will last me until probably February, then it will seem like forever until May. [/b][/quote]
Yea, but by then we'll have a trailer,thr Clone Wars cartoon and books and hopefully other stuff to tide us over. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[Trilogist]

A little hopeful spirit can go a long way ...

CNN - A Galaxy Close, Close By (http://www.cnn.com/2004/SHOWBIZ/Movies/06/15/star.wars/)


By Nick Nunziata
CNN Headline News
Wednesday, June 16, 2004 Posted: 12:38 PM EDT (1638 GMT)

(CNN) -- One year from today, the "Star Wars" saga will theoretically be over.

Next summer brings us the third and final film in George Lucas' prequel trilogy. Unless the director goes back on his decision not to make more films that take place after 1983's "Return of the Jedi," it will be the end of an amazing ride that has spanned four decades.

Of course, the "Star Wars" machine will carry on in video games, comic books and novels, but the end of the cinematic franchise will be a death knell of sorts.

The summer movie season in its current form exists partially because of these films, and next summer will be akin to when a weary battle-hardened soldier finally retires and lets his proteges take the knowledge he's passed on and use it as best they can.

It's kind of sad, really. I cannot remember a time when "Star Wars" wasn't in my vocabulary.

I believe the prequel experiment (1999's "The Phantom Menace" and 2002's "Attack of the Clones") thus far has been a mixed blessing. An entire new generation can speak of Jedi knights and light sabers and rush outside after school to have battles with their Wiffle bats or storebought toys, and that is a wonderful thing.

That said, the films themselves have been underwhelming, sending once diehard fans to seek solace in the adventures of young wizards and wall-crawling super heroes.

Yet 2005's still untitled film will be the mother of all event films. No film will carry as much weight as the last "Star Wars" movie or inspire more arguing and speculating about how it unfolds.

Will Lucas allow other filmmakers to take his treasured property and create new stories set in his universe? Will the cartoons, toys and software carry the name to our children's children and beyond? Will something rise up from the ashes and be the next "Star Wars"?

These are questions that will have to wait, but I'm hoping we're given one last taste of that magic in the last popcorn flick from George Lucas, an offbeat independent filmmaker who got sidetracked by immense fame and fortune.

"Star Wars" doesn't carry the mystique and guaranteed quality it used to. It's too big, too corporate.

This new film is going to have to really deliver, and somehow I think the 29-year-old silver screen dinosaur is going to pull it off.

[Trilogist]

I think so too. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/y.gif

[Sluggo]

I agree. Just nobody over-hype the thing, we all what happens then style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

[Max Starkiller]

I hope to <insert deity here> that RotS will be on par with the OT. I know this will be hard, as I do have dislike of some of the actors chosen for the PT, but who knows how it will turn out? Not I. I just hope that it won't, for us Nerds andGL, be the biggest film flop in history. I can imagine a whole whack of us in our theatres in our respective cities, and realizing before the movie starts, 'Oh my god. There will never be any new Star Wars after this.'. If Star Wars (in film form) does continue after RotS, then it will be primarily for the moolah, as though it wasn't right now. If for some reason I'm in the same theatre as Mickey Suttle, and I hear "Told ya so!", someone better duck for cover.
style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/saber.gif This rant is over. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blush.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif

[Ripley the Warmaster]

I'm expecting a fairly good space fantasy movie with a lot of people getting shafted by Anakin's lightsabre, including Shaft himself.

[jadeskywalker]

I don't think it will! Anakin will be turning to Darth Vader and I am sure GL. is going to make sure it turns out the way he wants! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

[P-Ray]

The more I think about it, the more pestimisctic I get. Don't get me wrong, I know that I'm going to love EPIII, but I think people will continue to whine about it no matter how good it is.

Some people just aren't going to be happy. I think the biggest complaint will be that there just wasn't enough Vader and that we had to wait 2 movies to get to him. I can hear it now. My response would be that if you want to see a lot of Vader, watch the OT. The PT is to show the rise and creationof Vader.

EPIII is going to deliver no matter what the naysayers say.

[JKRich]

^ Amen to that.Sadly you are right that there will be those who will complain because thats what they do.I like you am anticipating a great movie. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[Count Dookie]

Good post P-Ray. But, (don't shoot me) I wish there would be more of Vader too. In just about all movies, television shows, plays, and stuff I like the bad guy. Vader is the ultimate bad guy and I wanted to see some killin' of the Jedi!! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/duel.gif

Other than that!!! I think EIII will kick some major A**!!!

[P-Ray]

Originally posted by Count Dookie@Aug 8 2004, 12:22 PM
Good post P-Ray. But, (don't shoot me) I wish there would be more of Vader too. In just about all movies, television shows, plays, and stuff I like the bad guy. Vader is the ultimate bad guy and I wanted to see some killin' of the Jedi!! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/duel.gif

Other than that!!! I think EIII will kick some major A**!!!
Thanx and I do understand that but I personally think that the Star Wars movies will be better to watch as a whole. People will complain about the lack of Vader in EPIII but that's why you watch the OT. As a whole (as we have all heard countless times) the entire story is about the rise, fall and redemption of Anakin Skywalker. It's not a story of just Vader. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

[Count Dookie]

I know you are right. I remember talking with my Dad back in the 80's saying that I hope GL does a movie showing Vader and the Empire hunting down the Jedi and killing them. It sounds brutal, but I thought it would be cool focusing on Vader and the killing machine he was ment to be.

[Erick Landrider]

I can't see G.L. drawing out the movie for a long period of time. I would guess that the bulk of the Jedi will be wiped out in one quick attack. Under what pretences, frik if I know. But He is going to want to show as much of the Jedi Purge and the power of the Empire as possible.

[P-Ray]

Originally posted by Count Dookie@Aug 8 2004, 09:08 PM
I know you are right. I remember talking with my Dad back in the 80's saying that I hope GL does a movie showing Vader and the Empire hunting down the Jedi and killing them. It sounds brutal, but I thought it would be cool focusing on Vader and the killing machine he was ment to be.
I'm looking forward to the totality of it not just Vader. Don't get me wrong, I can't wait to see him, but I also can't wait to see all the other expected things too.

[Sluggo]

Why does this look like a KISS concert?

[P-Ray]

Originally posted by Sluggo@Aug 10 2004, 11:21 AM
Why does this look like a KISS concert?
No...actually you've entered Detroit Rock City! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/music.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/cool.gif

Why don't you try and find an Ace or Peter picture and you can join us. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wave.gif

[NIGHTTRAVELER]

Just thought I'de jump in on the KISS mobile........

All things considered, I think its gonna look like this:


People who really understand the arc of the story are going to love Revenge of the Sith. People who don't, prabably won't.

The problem is that people seem to confuse understanding the story, with agreeing with it. Lucas is not telling the story everyone wants to hear. He is telling the story he wants to tell. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/banghead.gif

Personally, I love the story as its being told.

[P-Ray]

Originally posted by NIGHTTRAVELER@Aug 10 2004, 12:02 PM
Just thought I'de jump in on the KISS mobile........

All things considered, I think its gonna look like this:


People who really understand the arc of the story are going to love Revenge of the Sith.* People who don't, prabably won't.

The problem is that people seem to confuse understanding the story, with agreeing with it. Lucas is not telling the story everyone wants to hear.* He is telling the story he wants to tell. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/banghead.gif

Personally, I love the story as its being told.
As do I Sir. Welcome to the KISS Army style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue2.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/cool.gif

[Count Dookie]

Originally posted by P-Ray+Aug 10 2004, 12:21 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(P-Ray @ Aug 10 2004, 12:21 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-NIGHTTRAVELER@Aug 10 2004, 12:02 PM
Just thought I'de jump in on the KISS mobile........

All things considered, I think its gonna look like this:


People who really understand the arc of the story are going to love Revenge of the Sith.* People who don't, prabably won't.

The problem is that people seem to confuse understanding the story, with agreeing with it. Lucas is not telling the story everyone wants to hear.* He is telling the story he wants to tell. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/banghead.gif

Personally, I love the story as its being told.
As do I Sir. Welcome to the KISS Army style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue2.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/cool.gif[/b][/quote]
Yeah!! Welcome to the Army!!!

Oh...man we are so off topic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Help? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/innocent.gif

[WalkerofSky]

Originally posted by NIGHTTRAVELER@Aug 10 2004, 12:02 PM
Just thought I'de jump in on the KISS mobile........

All things considered, I think its gonna look like this:


People who really understand the arc of the story are going to love Revenge of the Sith. People who don't, prabably won't.

The problem is that people seem to confuse understanding the story, with agreeing with it. Lucas is not telling the story everyone wants to hear. He is telling the story he wants to tell. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/banghead.gif

Personally, I love the story as its being told.


I couldn't agree with you more. Lucas is doing an amazing job with the prequels and the story is far richer and more complex than in the Original Trilogy. I, for one, cannot wait for heartwrenching climax that will be REVENGE OF THE SITH. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/saber.gif


Wait till ROTS comes out and it will change people's minds about the Prequel Trilogy as a whole. Should be very interesting indeed. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/happy.gif



WoS

[RollaFett]

The naysaying will begin as soon as the marketing begins. The general public don't even know what the title is yet, and if they did hear about it, a lot have forgotten. Once the title is ingrained into the heads of everybody, the criticisms will start in earnest. Why? Well, I've already heard some people bitching about it. They have no idea what a Sith is. It's too confusing for the average fan.
I hope I'm wrong, but I'm sure that there is going to be plenty more title bashing as time goes on, and that title bashing will lead to advance criticsim of the movie.

[WalkerofSky]

Originally posted by GollaFett@Aug 10 2004, 11:04 PM
The naysaying will begin as soon as the marketing begins. The general public don't even know what the title is yet, and if they did hear about it, a lot have forgotten. Once the title is ingrained into the heads of everybody, the criticisms will start in earnest. Why? Well, I've already heard some people bitching about it. They have no idea what a Sith is. It's too confusing for the average fan.
I hope I'm wrong, but I'm sure that there is going to be plenty more title bashing as time goes on, and that title bashing will lead to advance criticsim of the movie.

So what if the general public doesn't know what a Sith is? They'll check out the movie and find out for themselves. Not everyone is as knowledgeable about the STAR WARS universe as the people who visit the GS.

People bashed THE PHANTOM MENACE and ATTACK OF THE CLONES. I expect that people will bash ROTS no matter how good it is. Sadly, that is the way of fandom.

I like ALL the titles of the SW films, they're fitting for what occurs in each episode. Some may not agree but I think that REVENGE OF THE SITH is a better title than RISE OF THE EMPIRE or FALL OF THE REPUBLIC. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif



WoS

[P-Ray]

Originally posted by WalkerofSky@Aug 10 2004, 10:51 PM
I couldn't agree with you more. Lucas is doing an amazing job with the prequels and the story is far richer and more complex than in the Original Trilogy. I, for one, cannot wait for heartwrenching climax that will be REVENGE OF THE SITH.







I agree! The PT is more about the history so it is a little slower moving than the OT. I think that's where a lot of it's criticism lies.

[WalkerofSky]

Originally posted by P-Ray+Aug 11 2004, 07:01 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(P-Ray @ Aug 11 2004, 07:01 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-WalkerofSky@Aug 10 2004, 10:51 PM
I couldn't agree with you more. Lucas is doing an amazing job with the prequels and the story is far richer and more complex than in the Original Trilogy. I, for one, cannot wait for heartwrenching climax that will be REVENGE OF THE SITH.







I agree! The PT is more about the history so it is a little slower moving than the OT. I think that's where a lot of it's criticism lies. [/b][/quote]


This is very true. That's why Lucas decided to do the last three chapters of the story first. They were chockfull of action and adventure. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif The first three chapters of the SW saga are like Tolkien's Silmarillion in a way, it's the backstory and foundation of the Classic Trilogy as we know it today. So it's definitely slower because there's so many pivotal events that occur within them (i.e the reemergence of the Sith, the Clone Wars, etc.) but they're not short on action or adventure in my view.

The prequels are providing a rich tapestry that will make the Classic Trilogy even more profound when all six films are viewed as the Star Wars Saga.

Is it September 21st yet? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thud.gif



WoS

[RollaFett]

Is it September 21st yet?

No...dammit.

[Horse_Head]

Originally posted by GollaFett@Aug 10 2004, 09:04 PM
The naysaying will begin as soon as the marketing begins. The general public don't even know what the title is yet, and if they did hear about it, a lot have forgotten. Once the title is ingrained into the heads of everybody, the criticisms will start in earnest. Why? Well, I've already heard some people bitching about it. They have no idea what a Sith is. It's too confusing for the average fan.
I hope I'm wrong, but I'm sure that there is going to be plenty more title bashing as time goes on, and that title bashing will lead to advance criticsim of the movie.

Quoted post


The Marketing has BEGUN...
TOS licesee list (http://www.starwars.com/collecting/news/2004/08/news20040819.html) style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thud.gif

[P-Ray]

Originally posted by GollaFett@Aug 14 2004, 05:54 PM

Is it September 21st yet?

No...dammit.

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We're down to only a month though. Hopefully it will go by fast. I'm hoping for a little teaser trailer for EPIII on the DVD's. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

[Whitesaber]

A previous non-spoiler Episode III thread has been merged with this one...

[Javen]

The things about Revenge Of The Sith is...no I can't say that. Well it's more like...no I can't say that either. It wil be about Revenge. How about that?

[Darth Star]

Spoiled brat.
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[Sam Kenobi]

The Marketing has BEGUN...
TOS licesee list

Fossil watches. YEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

Back on topic, This is it. The end of the line. This movie is where Star Wars will come to fruition. Thirty years of waiting will be wrapped up in two hours. I hope to G*d that this movie rocks my f style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/censored.gif cking world.

And I would think that OT fans would like this one the best because it's most like the OT (I assume, because it's the closest movie to the PT and because of other reasons I can't say).

[T-bone]

http://filmforce.ign.com/starwars/articles/544/544623p1.html

[Horse_Head]

very cool article... I wish I was an actor and could just meet GL and have him want me in something he was doing.... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/trooper.gif

[Soontir Solo]

I think if I met GL I would thank him for creating Star Wars then also tell him how much he has screwed it up the past few years.

[Obidobi]

Why don't you go and do that.... Do have something positive to add to this board at all? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/giveup.gif

[Horse_Head]

"Miscellaneous
International Game Technology: Gaming machines"

Gambling?? Are those slot machines?? I need to know!!

<-- books the first flight to Vegas!

[Horse_Head]

Originally posted by Horse_Head@Aug 19 2004, 07:15 PM
TOS licesee list (http://www.starwars.com/collecting/news/2004/08/news20040819.html) style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thud.gif

Quoted post

"Miscellaneous
International Game Technology: Gaming machines"

Gambling?? Are those slot machines?? I need to know!!

<-- books the first flight to Vegas!

[James]

What movie is the teaser trailer gonna be with?? I'll go to any dumb movie, just to see that trailer. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blush.gif

[darthimmus]

My guess is "The Invincibles", which will be out Nov. 05

[bluemilk]

I was watching some interviews with people involved with Episode III and now I'm convinced it's going to blow our collective geek minds! This one interview especially with Ben Burtt comes to mind because he was really excited, practically on the edge of his seat when he was talking about Revenge of the Sith -- much more so than TPM and AOTC.

Even the interviews with Anthony Daniels both on the web doc and the DVD shows how excited he is about playing C3PO in this movie. He really hinted about the darkness of the movie and how his character plays a very pivotal role.

I got a good feeling about this! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/happy.gif