Qui Gon ?

[vodo]

I think that Qui gon was a load of rubbish. Really do you see him fit in to any other story just like Darth Maul but the worst carachter of them all was jar jar he would has no part in any of the expanded universe. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/duel.gif

[Blizzard]

Like, huh?

[Flight]

You could say that Qui-Gon introduced us to Anakin Skywalker. He is the Master of Obi-Wan Kenobi. etc., etc...

[vodo]

yeah but in the trilogy obi wan refers to yoda as his teacher.

[Luminara Skye]

Yoda was ONE of Obi-wan's teachers.

[vodo]

yes but could you see lucas think of him as a character before the trilogy

[Luminara Skye]

Details, details! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/kitty.gif

[vodo]

the other thing wrong with the prequil is that you see douko with the plans for the death star when we know qui and bevil designed it in maw

[JediKeri.]

Remember Dooku is under the tutlage of Palpy. It could be that Dooku was sent to retreive the plans from the Maw and so forth.

[vodo]

but the empire wasnt there then

[JediKeri.]

The Empire didn't have to be around. Remeber Palpatine was already a chancellor before Ep. II. This could have been another thing that he did in secret before he brought the Empire into being.

[Martini]

vodo, can u type better and make some sense? cause i cant even reply to what you've said.

also qui-gon was needed for TPM. i liked his character. sort of the older obi-wan of the PT. and i think we'll see how he had some evil in him in EP3, or on the flipside, we'll see him trying to tell anakin not fall to the darkside

[Nathan Butler]

Funny, you seem to have had no problem replying right then.

[Martini]

huh? thats cause it took so long to interpret what the hell he was saying.

i however try not to use apostrophes or capitalization which is far easier to read.

[vodo]

There is nothing wrong with the way I write its just that I send my mails in class so I have to type fast. And dont call his avatar Nerf Herder

[Nathan Butler]

Ah, it's people like Martini that make modding worthwhile.

Because you can build up cases to boot their sorry asses.

Or just edit their posts.

Consider this one a warning.

"Shocking abuse of authority."
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[Martini]

awwwwwwww, thats so cute. you edited my post. well whats the point in using apostrophes or capitalization? please do tell and can someone please back me up that there is no reason to use those. cause all that matters is being able to understand what everyone else is typing and trying to say.......nuff said.......back to the topic here....any ideas?

I'm sticking with my guns saying Qui-Gon will tell Obi-Wan where Anakin whose now called Darth Vader is and that he must confront him to destroy him and end the elimination of the jedis. cause i feel that Vader will be kicking tons of Jedis asses and Obi-Wan will have to step in and destroying Vader (without the suit). then we'll see the end of the movie with Vader hunting down the rest of the jedi order

[Nathan Butler]

And he takes it with a smile instead of being true to form. Good form.

Personally, I have to take Qui-Gon in the vein that Lucas made him out to be in the TPM commentary: basically a human plot device. Someone had to train Obi-Wan and be the master in TPM, and having Yoda ambling about Tatooine wouldn't have worked out given the logistics of filming. A new human Jedi was a natural choice.

It's just too bad he couldn't get more depth in the film itself.

[Martini]

there was no smile on that one dude.

and i agree that Qui-Gon and Darth Maul should not have both been killed in TPM. but its just a screw up that GL made. all well. those were two interesting characters but im glad that we can focus on Anakin and Obi-Wan, who are the two main characters in this trilogy and should be looked at

[vodo]

well I agree with nathan you couldnt really have yado walking around on a desert plannet, but to tell you the truth I wouldnt have liked to see yoda like a dried green fig

[vodo]

does any one else have any views

[Jedi D'oh]

I liked old man Jinn. He was acool dude.

[Clara]

The whole Jinn thing, I believe, is to show that it wasn't Obi-Wan's choice to train Anakin. It puts a whole new perspective on things.

[Darth Vegas]

Qui-Gon was great, he was an excellent swordman, one thing you could tell apart from his fight with Darth Maul and Obi-Wan's, is that he used calculated moves, showing that he was a trained swordsman (he was trained my the Lightsaber Master Count Dooku), while Obi-Wan seemed to have a little anger in him while fighting Maul and for a while he did fall.

He fits perfectly in all the EU books that have him, especially "Cloak of Deception", that was really a good book, most of the time I find the EU kind of boring, and nothing at all like the films, but even though it did not have a lightsaber duel, "Cloak of Deception" would really make a good movie.

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I hope they continue to expand Qui-Gon's character is more full novels set before TPM.

[vodo]

clara has a good point that makes sence. On anther thing do any of you think qui gon should have dissapeared like the masters.

P.S I thought Obi wan wasnt a jedi master so why did he dissapear

[Darth Vegas]

Obi-Wan will never become a Jedi Master, Master Kenobi is what they call him because it's what they call all Jedi Knights that are training their own apprentice.

The dissapearing trick is something that only Obi-Wan, Yoda, and Anakin have done, before Obi-Wan, all Jedi died like normal men.

The ghost thing is going toi be explained in episode 3.

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[RedMirax]

I believe there is a reason some disappear and others don't. I think we're supposed to find out. At least I hope we will find out... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[Darth Drew]

<font style='width=80%; filter:glow(color=black)'>I hope so.</font>

[Frendon]

we all hope so

[vodo]

well no some other jedi have dissapeared like Nigi (I CANT REMEMBER HOW TO SPELL THIS) halcon and some other bloke who lost all of his powers in the JedivsSith war.

[Darth Vegas]

Sure they did Vodobass, but the EU does not matter in the movies.

GL said not long after ROTJ came out that the dissapearing trick was something that Obi-Wan and Yoda learned between the two trilogies.

I know your not old enough to remember that, but that is the truth, and he has further stated on the issue of it being settled in episode 3, and the QUi-Gon voice thing being a big plot point.

GL could care less what anyone else has previously written about his saga, he's got a stroy to write, and he's gonna stick to his own guns.

[Booster Terrik]

it is my understanding that to dissappear upon death, a Jedi must be one with the force. No matter how great your mastery of force powers, being one with the force is something different. Something more. Obi-wan spent several years in isolation on tatooine. No doubt, through constant meditation he became one with the force.

[Darth Vegas]

A Jedi becomes one with the Force when they die, those that come back as ghosts retain their idenity, and are not one with the Force, Qui-Gon is supposed to be the first to do that.

Remember that not only did Qui-Gon not disapear, but niether did any of the Jedi that died in the arena in AOTC.

[vodo]

well di vader it looked like he did

[Darth Vegas]

No Vader did not dissapear, the good man Anakin did. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

[One Lad to Rule Them All]

Yup, Luke burned the armor, not the body. An oft debated point clearly stated in the official Star Wars datebank.

[vodo]

I still think it wasnt a trick I mean what would be the point

[One Lad to Rule Them All]

Originally posted by vodo bass@Oct 11 2002, 09:36 AM
I still think it wasnt a trick I mean what would be the point
You'll find out in Episode 3

[vodo]

I hope so since I cant see the point of yoda dissapearing well I could be to cut funeral costs

[Booster Terrik]

Originally posted by Agent Bond A.K.A. TK-007@Oct 10 2002, 02:09 AM
A Jedi becomes one with the Force when they die, those that come back as ghosts retain their idenity, and are not one with the Force, Qui-Gon is supposed to be the first to do that.

Remember that not only did Qui-Gon not disapear, but niether did any of the Jedi that died in the arena in AOTC.
To my understanding of your explanation, a Jedi dissapears instead of dying, to retain a spirit identity?
Qui-Gon is now one with the force because he didn't dissapear?
Curious, is this opinion or can you cite a reference? I don't believe "hear say" so anything Uncle Georgie says about being one with the force, I want to read it.
If dissapearing was a trick Yoda and Ben knew, who taught it to Vader, or the good man Anakin?
Qui-Gon died in the heat of battle, Yoda and Ben both waited for the right moment, planned for it, were guided to it by the force.
Wether Vader/Anakin dissappeared or not is unknown to me. I have yet to read the novel, because you CAN NOT tell in ROTJ.
I agree that EU will not influence any movies, but he also has his initials on every copie, and counts every dollar.

[vodo]

a good point but Iam still skeptic lets hope we will know soon

[Booster Terrik]

Originally posted by One Lad to Rule Them All@Oct 10 2002, 10:43 AM
Yup, Luke burned the armor, not the body. An oft debated point clearly stated in the official Star Wars datebank.
I am curious as to this "official databank" of which you cite. How might a member of the Senate gain access? From where does this information come? This will clear some shadows.

[One Lad to Rule Them All]

http://www.starwars.com/databank/character...ader/index.html (http://www.starwars.com/databank/character/darthvader/index.html)

Quote from the end of the databank.

As he lay dying, Vader ceased to be. Anakin Skywalker returned. He asked his son to remove the cumbersome, fearsome mask that had concealed his face for decades. His mask and life support removed, Anakin looked upon Luke for the first and last time. He then died, his body disappearing into the light side of the Force. Luke burned the dark armor that had encased Anakin's crippled body in a quiet funeral pyre on the forest moon of Endor that night.

[Booster Terrik]

Avery nice depiction of the lfe and trials of Anakin Skywalker, but it lists no author. Certainly not GL's. Letus not forget that same Lucasfilm L.T.D. logo, mere inches from the end of that page, is on every copie of EU material.
If we only base our opinions on the movie and our imagination, Then it's still speculation. It is not clear that he dissapears in ROTJ. In no scene does he fade to nothingness.
Isaw it in the theater and several hundred times at home.
If you ask me, the topic is up for debate.

[vodo]

well I see you have a point thopugh I have always belived that vader had dissapeared any other views on that

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by Booster Terrik@Oct 14 2002, 06:18 PM
To my understanding of your explanation, a Jedi dissapears instead of dying, to retain a spirit identity?
Qui-Gon is now one with the force because he didn't dissapear?
Curious, is this opinion or can you cite a reference? I don't believe "hear say" so anything Uncle Georgie says about being one with the force, I want to read it.

No it's not just my opinion, that is from the script, novel, and the film, Attack of the Clones.

Qui-Gon's voice was heard by both Anakin and Yoda, because he had somehow managed to retain his identity.

In the novel it ellaborates saying that Yoda knew it was Qui-Gon's voice that he heard, but believing it to be impossible for one to retain his identity, or return from the grave after becoing one with the Force.

Obi-Wan was the first Jedi to dissapear so far, unless maybe Master Windu or other important council members do so in episode 3.

The reason Qui-Gon did not dissapear, is because at that point no one had done so, and that is very clear when you see all the dead Jedi lying around in aotc.

I would reason that because Anakin obviously never learned the lesson about dissapearing from Yoda, as Yoda was dead before he wa redeemed, that Anakin is the one controlling the whole ghost thing, along with Luke.

In a deleted scene from ESB Yoda told Luke to concentrate and Obi-Wan would be able to return, he was saying that Luke had the ability to bring him back.

Also in the script and novel of TPM, during Qui-Gon's funeral Obi-Wan tells Anakin "He is one with the Force, you must let him go now." It is clear that Anakin was trying to bring back Qui-Gon, and in AOTC, it appears that he succeded.

[Martini]

yea i guess your right. then maybe in EP3 we see him actually bring back others. yea that makes sense. but once again, seems kinda made-up. cause it seemed that Luke wasnt even trying to bring back Obi-Wan in the OT. he just seemed to come out of no where on his own

[Darth Vegas]

Exactly, just like whe Qui-Gon seemed to come out of no where. I think it's connected to the fact that at those particular momments, those Jedi were needed to help Anakin and Luke from turning to the Dark Side, and they thought about their former mentors in the back of their mind, subconsciencely bringing them back.

[jedisaber]

i dont like the way darth maul died, he should have been able to see obi coming or something...
..... and you dont have to be a master to dissapear, nova lead

[jedisaber]

hey you guys,
i was just on starwars.com and found something out as to whether qui-gon jinn can be a ghost in NJO or ep 3Do I hear the voice of Qui-Gon Jinn shouting, "Anakin, Anakin... No!", in Yoda's apartment after Anakin attacks the Tusken Raiders?
Yes indeed, the voice that Yoda hears is that of Qui-Gon Jinn.

[jedisaber]

thats straight from be burt himself

[Brian]

That's old news, dude.

[vodo]

Hey this is my 1st thread that went 3 pages long


so quigon is one with the force he talks to anakin.
Do u thhink we will see quigon in ep3 or another dead jedi????

[Jedi D'oh]

we should see qui-gon, but as he is the first one to return, i doubt there will be any others.

[Martini]

if qui-gon doenst return in EP3, then TPM was even more of a waste of screentime and value. it would mean nothing in the entire saga, only where we found anakin. thats it! so far, thats all the movie covered. zzzz boring. we needed more

[jedisaber]

but what about when in rp obi said his master didnt become one with the force and couldnt talk to him, was he wrong, why didnt he ask yoda

[Brian]

Originally posted by Martini@Oct 31 2002, 02:11 PM
if qui-gon doenst return in EP3, then TPM was even more of a waste of screentime and value. it would mean nothing in the entire saga, only where we found anakin. thats it! so far, thats all the movie covered. zzzz boring. we needed more
TPM also told us how and why Palpy became supreme chancellor, which is important in my book.

[vodo]

some things we are just not ment to know and besides ep1 was basicly a waste. I think that theey messed up some good characters init like quigon but he was wasted

[Darth Vegas]

I have a felling that Mace is going to be the first Jedi to dissapear, and I would like to see him as a ghost.

I imagine a scene at the end of the film with Yoda, Obi-Wan, baby Luke, Qui-Gon, and Mace Windu, all having a nice discussion concerning the boys fate, and the eventual fate of the galaxy.

Also talking alot about their guilt for training thet one that eventually saw to the end of the Jedi Order, but ending with hope, hope that Luke may eventually see to the end of the Empire, and the Sith.

[vodo]

pure portry dude

[vodo]

wow who doug this thread up

[Exar D'an]

Although this is an old thread, I would like to see Qui_Gon come back as a ghost. I mean just because he didn't disappear doesn't mean he can't be a force ghost, Anakin did it at the end of ROTJ and he was burned.

[Darth Vegas]

Actually Exar D'an, Anakin's body dissaapeared, it was only the armor that was burned.

Source: StarWars.com databank

I believe it is also mentioned in the ROTJ script and novel.

BTW, it has never been stated that a Jedi has to dissapear in order to become a ghost. Qui-Gon, as we heard his voice in AOTC (it's more detailed in the script and the novel and GL talks about it more on the dvd commentary) has essentially returned from the grave.

.

[Exar D'an]

I remembered that after I posted. And, thats what I meant, a Jedi dosen't have to disappear to return as a ghost.

[Soontir Solo]

I thought it was pretty cool how Qui-Gon was telling ANakin through the force to stop his dark rage against the raiders. And even cooler that Yoda heard. Too bad we dont know about this unless you read the novel.

[Exar D'an]

I kmow what you mean Soontir. They made it kind of hidden in the movie. They needed to put in the conversation Mace and Yoda had in that chamber after Yoda felt what happened.