MOVIES/TV: Star Trek

[AlanRJ]

Star Trek has always been a very successful venture. All the series have started off on shaky legs and have gotten better. I have to say though that Star Trek: Enterprise has gotten off on the shakiest foot ever. I watched all of season 1 and I have to say I keep asking myself Why. Not one of the episodes held my attention. I know that Star Trek: The Next Generation was pretty bad in its first year but it was just so not as bad as this. Watching season 2 and it is slowly getting better but only marginally. And another thing, who out there enjoys the opening credits music, its not Star Trek music !

If one person comes back and says they enjoy it or they love it then I will be shocked. So come on and give me your views on this latest and direst of Star Trek shows.

[kopernikuz]

I enjoyed the episodes I tuned into. But I don't watch regularly like I did with TNG. Could just be because I work a lot now and can only keep up with so many shows. But I think if nothing else, the relationships on this show are more similar to the original series. It's a bit more campy.

As for the theme. I like the song, but no it's not Star Trek. They're clearly trying to capture the WB style teen audience into a new era of Star Trek. However, I LOVE the opening montage showing the evoltution of REAL space exploration into the Star Trek future... Really kind of cool. But the song makes me think I've tuned into Roddenberry's Creek.

Other than that, I think the show is good... but I'm not much of a regular viewer.

[vodo]

The story of startrek acording to Vodo

With the original ST seiries the ship took off from ground zero souring high only to loose momentum and fall in the later years. With the release of Star Wars a new hope in 1977 the ship gained hight by making the motion pictures. Again getting of to a slow start with tng it slowy picked up. Later it was joined by the trailing ds9. When the tng flight landed gracefully still with fans the ds9 still lacked in momentm and was faling. This is when voyager joined souring high ahead of ds9. A while later something strange happend ds9 started to pull itas weight flying higher and higher(with the cardasian war) until it gracefully landed unspoiled and rememberd. Voyager didn have the same fate. When the episode scorpian was released voyager started on its ever so terrifying fall ending up crashing in to the ground leaving a flaming crator. The funeral for star trek took place and the ships wer buried forever to remain a constant memory often a fond one. The an evil thing happen two men dug up the bodys and shoved poles up their ases and using them as twisted puppets. The enterprise will never fly again but god knows it will try.

RIP

[mirax terrik horn]

ok here is my opinion first off vodo you need to learn how to spell and second. i really like enterprise it is fun to watch b/c you see species that you have seen in later star trek shows but to them it is all new so it is cool in that aspect. i will admit that it did get off to a shaky start but has definitly gotten better much better imo.so that was my two cents take it or leave it.

[Queen 'Onna]

The show stinks.I have given up all hope of it geting better.

[Darth Vegas]

Some episodes are really good, some just suck, mostly I watch it for the hot Vulcan chick.

[Queen 'Onna]

I watch it because bad Star Trek is better than no Star Trek.

[Darth Vegas]

Very true. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/satisfied.gif

[Darth Drew]

<span style="font-family:Courier"><span style="color:red">I hate that show, Voyager was much better. I think that Enterprise has bad writing, all the episodes pretty much the same.</span></span>

[Rojo]

Originally posted by Agent Bond A.K.A. TK-007@Mar 15 2003, 08:36 AM
Some episodes are really good, some just suck, mostly I watch it for the hot Vulcan chick.
Perfect answer, Bond. Her names Jolene Blalock, if you didn't know already.

Seriously, I think you're wrong Vodo. Enterprise will get better and Star Trek's not dead. Nemesis (the last film), was superb in my opinion. Give Enterprise some time, DS9 was rubbish for 2 1/2 seasons at least before it became great.

Voyager got a bit better after Scorpion was released, about a hot chick's worth of better.

[Queen 'Onna]

Star Trek is to dead. They have done like every story and plot.I don't see them coming out with any more shows.

[bodhisattva yoda]

damn trekkies!

[Queen 'Onna]

Dude you are in the wrong thread.

[Queen 'Onna]

You are a hater

[bodhisattva yoda]

hate isn't in my vocabulary.

[Javen]

Originally posted by bodhisattva yoda@Mar 14 2003, 08:47 PM
hate isn't in my vocabulary.
Then how come you just wrote it then? :0

[bodhisattva yoda]

uh, because i copied what 'onna wrote. i just don't, you know, know the definition. i'm sheltered.

[Rojo]

What do you hate Star Trek for?

[bodhisattva yoda]

like i said, i don't know the meaning of the word 'hate'... my parents couldn't afford a tutor.

but i certainly don't like the spandex costumes, or all the technical talk about nothing. or the space battles that are terribly boring.

[Darth Drew]

<span style="font-family:Courier"><span style="color:red">Hate
1.To feel hostility or animosity toward.
2.To detest.
3.To feel dislike or distaste for.
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[bodhisattva yoda]

augh! stop trying to corrupt me!

[Darth Drew]

<span style="font-family:Courier"><span style="color:red">Sorry about that. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif</span></span>

[bodhisattva yoda]

hey. psst. drew. sneak me a picture of your sister and i'll slip you ten bucks.

[Darth Drew]

<span style="font-family:Courier"><span style="color:red">I'm sorry, I just can't do that. Why do you want one anyway?</span></span>

[bodhisattva yoda]

ehm. no reason. others have seen her and i have not. it's not fair. i want fairness. that's all i want.

[mirax terrik horn]

yeah ok back to the subject. i think enterprise has a lot of potential. i mean they have good characters and if they are like their predesecors (SP) they will boom. that is my hope at least.

[Darth Drew]

<span style="font-family:Courier"><span style="color:red">Yeah the show does have a good character base; Exept Travis, I hate Travis!!</span></span> style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/mad.gif

[mirax terrik horn]

hey travis is like one of my fav characters him and tripp and archer and flox (he rocks) so dont dis travis.

[Darth Drew]

<span style="font-family:Courier"><span style="color:red">Oh, sorry about that ???. My favorite is Trip Tucker</span></span>
Originally posted by bodhisattva yoda@Mar 14 2003, 10:23 PM
ehm. no reason. others have seen her and i have not. it's not fair. i want fairness. that's all i want.
<span style="font-family:Courier"><span style="color:red">Hey my dad wanted it off, and my dad isn't known for being fair. ???</span></span>

[bodhisattva yoda]

hey drew. i've got a ten with your name on it. is your name alexander hamilton?

[bodhisattva yoda]

damn your father!

[mirax terrik horn]

hey watch the language

[bodhisattva yoda]

seriously?

[Darth Drew]

Originally posted by bodhisattva yoda@Mar 14 2003, 10:38 PM
hey drew. i've got a ten with your name on it. is your name alexander hamilton?
<span style="font-family:Courier"><span style="color:red">No why do you ask?</span></span>

[bodhisattva yoda]

perhaps you've never seen a ten dollar bill....

[Darth Drew]

<span style="font-family:Courier"><span style="color:red">I'm lost.</span></span>

[bodhisattva yoda]

listen. we'll make our trade, you'll have a ten dollar bill, and you'll understand what i mean.

[Darth Drew]

<span style="font-family:Courier"><span style="color:red">What am I supossed to trade you?</span></span>

[bodhisattva yoda]

your sister. er, her picture, that is.

[Darth Drew]

<span style="font-family:Courier"><span style="color:red">No drop it, I'm not giving you one. </span></span>

[bodhisattva yoda]

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[nerfer]

<span style="color:c1007e"><span style="font-family:comic sans ms">

I actually really like it. I mean they do have their run of the mill boring episodes, but what series of Trek hasn't??

I can watch repeats of Original, Next Gen and DS9 and I've already watched repeats of Enterprise and found them enjoyable!

As for Voyager I like to pretend that didn't exist, apart from a few good eps after the third season, it sucked from start to finish.

I think Enterprise has great potential, some of their better episodes have already shown that. I'm a huge fan of Scott Bakula and love Captain Archer. The best Trek shows have always really been about the crew, the people themselves and their relationships with their crewmates.

They are doing a good job of writing how T'Pol and Archer relate. Going from complete distrust, in Broken Bow, to mutual respect and trust. I like Hoshi, not too sure bout Phlox (sp?) But then its pretty hard to beat the EMH, probably the best thing about Voyager as a whole was the Doctor.

I think Trip reminds me a lot of Dr McCoy, its probaby the accent.

Well can't think of anything else at the moment people except give Trek a chance!

It aint dead, I thought Nemesis was the best trek film in a while, it almost got us back to the good days of the Wrath of Khan. But not quite. I for one will be getting it on DVD when it arrives.</span></span>

[Queen 'Onna]

Nemesis was good.But it could have been better.

[nerfer]

<span style="color:c1007e"><span style="font-family:comic sans ms">

Well every film can be better in some way. I think they did as good as they could on this one.

Nemesis had action, romance, humour, sadness. It made me experience a myriad of emotions from laughing out loud, to happiness at finally getting to see Riker and Troi get married. To sadness at the crew going their separate ways, to very sad when Data died.

Its one of the better Star Trek movies in my view. Of course nothing beats the Wrath of Khan.</span></span>

[Rojo]

I agree, Wrath of Khan is the best. First Contact is the best Next Gen film.

[nerfer]

<span style="color:c1007e"><span style="font-family:comic sans ms">

Oh totally! A lot of peeps grip about First Contact, saying that they got Picard all wrong, because he was so gung ho. But I think it was totally in character, its just a side of Picard that they never explored before.

I mean Picard is a very patient man and he's always looking for a peaceful way to everything, but everyone has their limits and the Borg pushed him to the edge! Besides, you can't really negotiate with the Borg, not the ones linked up to the hive mind anyway.</span></span>

[Queen 'Onna]

Originally posted by Rojo@Mar 15 2003, 07:50 PM
I agree, Wrath of Khan is the best. First Contact is the best Next Gen film.
Yep

[Rojo]

I though Picard was best in First Contact and Nemesis, but Patrick Stewart always acts him superbly (sp?).

Go vote for Wrath of Khan in my Poll!

[Queen 'Onna]

I did.

[Rojo]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>I did. [/b][/quote]

Good! I'm glad someone listens to me!

[nerfer]

<span style="color:c1007e"><span style="font-family:comic sans ms">

Hehehe kewl, oh yea Patrick Stewart is one heck of an actor. My respect for William Shatner has grown over the years too. He is one heck of a funny guy.</span></span>

[Rojo]

Originally posted by nerfer@Mar 16 2003, 11:45 AM
<span style="color:c1007e"><span style="font-family:comic sans ms">

Hehehe kewl, oh yea Patrick Stewart is one heck of an actor. My respect for William Shatner has grown over the years too. He is one heck of a funny guy.</span></span>
One heck of a funny guy, in a corset and toupe.

*Gasp* what have I said?

[nerfer]

<span style="color:c1007e"><span style="font-family:comic sans ms">

LOL I mean over the years he's been a real gentleman about taking the mick out of himself, and is always game for a laugh. I like that.</span></span>

[Darth Vegas]

Here's some really cool news, theres an upcoming episode of enterprise that'll tie in with Star Trek: First Contact!!!

http://www.startrek.com/production/seriesv...cles/031103.asp (http://www.startrek.com/production/seriesv/articles/031103.asp)

[AlanRJ]

Wrath of Khan was definitely the best classic Trek movie and First Contact was the best Next Gen movie, no question there.

What's your views on another Star Trek movie. I can't believe that Paramount won't try to milk the Star Trek Franchise but who do you take to the big screen next. Do you continue the DS9 storyline and pick it up with maybe having Sisko returned from the wormhole or do you take Voyager on an adventure?

[Obi-Stu]

I like Enterprise. I was a little disapointed that the Klingon in the first episode had red blood, but I soon got over it.

I think though that they are trying too hard to make T'Pol into another Seven of Nine. She needs to become her own character.

The intro is cool but please, no singing. It's just not Star Trek.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>To sadness at the crew going their separate ways, to very sad when Data died.

[/b][/quote]

Aaaarrrrrhhhhh! Nemisis only comes out here next week... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wacko.gif

[mirax terrik horn]

Originally posted by Obi-Stu@Mar 17 2003, 09:14 AM
I think though that they are trying too hard to make T'Pol into another Seven of Nine. She needs to become her own character.


i dont think you are on the right track there obi-stu. i think that they are trying to make t'pol into the person that she is in the original star trek. i mean she ends up becoming a rather imporatant person later on in her life. grrr why did you have to do that nerfer some of us havent seen nemesis yet maaaan now you have ruined it for the few of us that havent seen it jeez.

[nerfer]

<span style="color:c1007e"><span style="font-family:comic sans ms">


Oops style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blush.gif Sorry!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We got Nemesis in October and I know England got it in like December or January so I figured everyone had seen it by now!!!!

I don't EVER! want to see a Voyager movie, really I couldn't give a toss bout that show or its crew cept for the EMH! If I can't sit thru a repeat of any of the episodes, I doubt I could sit thru an entire movie!
That would be one star trek film I really would boycott!

Which was on of the problems with Nemesis, Insurrection was its predecessor and despite not being a truly horrible film based on that, a lot of people who would have gone to see Nemesis didn't bother.

That and apparantly Jello's big behind is more of an attraction. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wacko.gif Which is sad in itself. I think the studio killed the movie by releasing it at such a stupid time. I mean they are nuts!!!!!! Much as I love Star Trek, it was never gonna compete with the likes of the Two Towers. They released it way too close to that film for it to have made any sort of impact at the box office, which is a shame because its really is a pretty decent film. Much better than Insurrection for certain.

Now a DS9 movie could be an interesting movie. Although it occured to me, with the collapse of the Cardassian Empire, why would Bajor need a Starfleet influnence on Deep Space Nine?

In what way do you think T'Pol is like Seven of Nine??</span></span>

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by AlanRJ@Mar 17 2003, 05:41 AM
Do you continue the DS9 storyline and pick it up with maybe having Sisko returned from the wormhole or do you take Voyager on an adventure?
Most likely they'll bring the DS9 and/or Voyager's crew to the big screen by including them in the next TNG movie, Rick Berman has hinted at that.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><span style="color:c1007e"><span style="font-family:comic sans ms">I don't EVER! want to see a Voyager movie, really I couldn't give a toss bout that show or its crew cept for the EMH! If I can't sit thru a repeat of any of the episodes, I doubt I could sit thru an entire movie![/b][/quote]</span></span>

You know Crusher is supposed to have left the Enterprise-E to head Starfleet Medical, at least for a short time in the next Trek film (which we know will include the entire cast one way or another) an EMH will probably be chief medical officer on the Enterprise.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><span style="color:c1007e"><span style="font-family:comic sans ms">In what way do you think T'Pol is like Seven of Nine??[/b][/quote]</span></span>

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Well for one thing they both look greaaaattt naked!!!! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by mirax terrik horn@Mar 17 2003, 09:35 AM
i dont think you are on the right track there obi-stu. i think that they are trying to make t'pol into the person that she is in the original star trek.
T'pol was never in the original Star Trek series.

[Obi-Stu]

She is, however, in The search for Spock.


When I watch the way T'Pol interacts with the crew, it seems very similar to the way Seven of Nine
acted with the Voyager crew. Almost a mixture of the Spock of TOS & Seven Of Nine.

You must understand that I became a real Star Trek fan waiting for TPM to come out and my wife got me started on Voyager, so although now I am going back and catching up on TNG, Voyager was my
first Star Trek experience.

[Darth Vegas]

:eek: Whoa!

[Darth Vegas]

Cool news from >>>here<<< (http://www.startrek.com/news/productnews.asp?ID=128037) from startrek.com (http://www.startrek.com) on Nemesis deleted scenes!!!

[nerfer]

<span style="color:c1007e"><span style="font-family:comic sans ms">

Kewl Bond, glad to see we finally get to see the Deanna turbolift scene! </span></span>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Well for one thing they both look greaaaattt naked!!!! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif[/b][/quote]
<span style="color:c1007e"><span style="font-family:comic sans ms">
LOL!!!</span></span>


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>You know Crusher is supposed to have left the Enterprise-E to head Starfleet Medical, at least for a short time in the next Trek film (which we know will include the entire cast one way or another) an EMH will probably be chief medical officer on the Enterprise.[/b][/quote]
<span style="color:c1007e"><span style="font-family:comic sans ms">

Kewlness! I really loved the scene with Crusher and the EMH in First Contact. "Borg are about to come thru that door, create a diversion."
"I'm a doctor not a doorstop." Which of course was great coz it was a neat little throwback to McCoy.

Look at it this way Obi Stu, maybe Seven Of Nine acted very Vulcan!!! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif

</span></span>

[Lord Rocha]

Arent the SW Fans enemies of the Star Trek fans ?

Just an insignificant doubt.

[Das_Funked]

Personally, I think Star Trek is lame.

[Lord Rocha]

Originally posted by Das_Funked@Mar 22 2003, 10:21 PM
Personally, I think Star Trek is lame.
I agree.

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by nerfer@Mar 20 2003, 03:51 PM
<span style="color:c1007e"><span style="font-family:comic sans ms">Look at it this way Obi Stu, maybe Seven Of Nine acted very Vulcan!!! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif</span></span>
That's always been a running theme in Star Trek, there's at least one in every series.

[Rojo]

Originally posted by Lord Rocha@Mar 23 2003, 04:45 PM
Arent the SW Fans enemies of the Star Trek fans ?

Just an insignificant doubt.
Erm no. Sometimes they're the same people and sometimes they get along very well.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>That's always been a running theme in Star Trek, there's at least one in every series.[/b][/quote]

Voyager had two then, remember Tuvok?

[Jango]

it realy stunk

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by Rojo@Mar 22 2003, 10:50 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>That's always been a running theme in Star Trek, there's at least one in every series.

Voyager had two then, remember Tuvok? [/b][/quote]
Uh, yup!! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

[nerfer]

<span style="color:c1007e"><span style="font-family:comic sans ms">
I consider myself a Science Fiction fan in general, I don't pigeon hole myself to one particular series. I think its possible to be a fan of Star Trek and Star Wars.

You could consider Star Trek lame I guess, but its every bit an icon as Star Wars.

But a lot of us consider Neighbours and Home and Away Lame!!! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif </span></span>

[Obi-Stu]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Look at it this way Obi Stu, maybe Seven Of Nine acted very Vulcan!!! [/b][/quote]

Well can't we give them their own Star Trek show...


"To Boldly go..."
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[nerfer]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Well can't we give them their own Star Trek show...[/b][/quote]
<span style="font-family:comic sans ms"><span style="color:c1007e"> LOL!!!! I'm sure there are lots of guys out there who would agree with ya!</span></span>

[Darth Vegas]

Personnally, I think the next series should be about the Federation during the TNG, DS9, Voyager time, and take place on Earth instead of a ship, they wouldn't be constrained to just the main cast, each episode could be something different from around the time period.

[Whisper]

CSI in a Star Trek setting? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

[nerfer]

<span style="color:c1007e"><span style="font-family:comic sans ms">

Yea but Peterson wouldn't look good in the uniform right now. I read he's packed on the pounds quite a bit!</span></span> style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by Whisper@Mar 25 2003, 12:55 PM
CSI in a Star Trek setting? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif
Uh no.

More like "The Twilight Zone". style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

[mirax terrik horn]

star trek the twight light zone would be awesome. but not CSI star trek that would be boarderline heresy IMO. but something on earth would be cool but it would take alot more money to do. so we can hope but probably not.

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by mirax terrik horn@Mar 25 2003, 01:17 PM
but something on earth would be cool but it would take alot more money to do.
Uh, No it wouldn't, you do know that Star Trek is already made on Earth with real people and actual Earth locations and/or blue screen and props right?

What would make you think that? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/huh.gif

[mirax terrik horn]

what made me think that is how the heck would you feel doing blue screen day in and day out and any ways blue screen can only go so far. i mean there are somethings that blue screen just cant do.

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by mirax terrik horn@Mar 25 2003, 01:21 PM
what made me think that is how the heck would you feel doing blue screen day in and day out and any ways blue screen can only go so far. i mean there are somethings that blue screen just cant do.
Read the post again man.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>i mean there are somethings that blue screen just cant do.[/b][/quote]

See AOTC and all of the latest Star Trek movies and TV series.

[mirax terrik horn]

ya what ever now that i think about it, it could be done but still. and i am a woman

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by mirax terrik horn@Mar 25 2003, 02:27 PM
and i am a woman
Well that doesn't make a difference, guys aren't the only geeks you know. :mad:

[xSithxMaulx]

Would anyone happen to know if there has been talk about another Star Trek movie yet? I have looked every where, so I would assume the answer is no. But it's worth a try, ya never know!

[Darth Badly]

I've got my fingers crossed that there won't be.

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[Spacehunter24]

I love STAR TREK, though I hated DS9 (after the first couple seasons) and VOYAGER (from first episode to last). Because of all the bad reaction to NEMESIS, they've decided to hold off on the next one for awhile. Patrick Stewart has said he's finished with Picard and won't return for anymore. So the obvious option would be to make the next film follow Riker as captain of his own ship. Personally, though, I'd rather see an ENTERPRISE movie. I love ENTERPRISE, even more than I loved NEXT GENERATION.

[xSithxMaulx]

I would love to see a movie follow Riker. But that would be a bit odd with him married and all now.

I actually thought nemesis was pretty good. The story line was pretty cool, except it would have been better if s-bish was revealed to be his clone later on.

[Justin]

I thought Nemesis sucked, and it's too bad that it's the last movie. They should have gone out with a bang, like Star Trek 6.

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by Justin@Feb 16 2004, 07:26 PM
I thought Nemesis sucked, and it's too bad that it's the last movie.
Who said it was the last movie? Paramount sure didn't.

They aren't quite finished with Star Trek yet, this isn't the first time a trek film has bombed.

Hopefully they'll can Enterprise before too long and do something worthwhile with the series, bring in some good screenwriters (perferably someone who doesn't claim to be a fan), and create something that's not only good for Star Trek but a good for movies or Television in general.

[Gazelle]

Originally posted by TK-007@Feb 17 2004, 05:05 AM

Who said it was the last movie? Paramount sure didn't.

On the interviews on the Nemesis dvd several times it is mentioned that this is the last outing for a Next Generation movie, although Patrick Stewart infers the possibility of a sequel when he refers to the new android B4.

As much as I love Riker (and I do), I would think that Paramount will not consider Jonathan Frakes a big enough commercial name.

By the way, Nemesis wasn't as bad as all that. My only complaint with it would be that it was quite short.

[Count Dookie]

Originally posted by Gazelle+Feb 17 2004, 06:05 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Gazelle @ Feb 17 2004, 06:05 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-TK-007@Feb 17 2004, 05:05 AM

Who said it was the last movie? Paramount sure didn't.

On the interviews on the Nemesis dvd several times it is mentioned that this is the last outing for a Next Generation movie, although Patrick Stewart infers the possibility of a sequel when he refers to the new android B4.

As much as I love Riker (and I do), I would think that Paramount will not consider Jonathan Frakes a big enough commercial name.

By the way, Nemesis wasn't as bad as all that. My only complaint with it would be that it was quite short. [/b][/quote]
I totally agree with your post.


What I would really like to see is the Captain Sulu Adventures.

[xSithxMaulx]

All I have to say, if it doesn't have reading rainbows LAvar burton...it wont sell!!!

[Javen]

Originally posted by Darth Badly@Feb 16 2004, 01:13 PM
I've got my fingers crossed that there won't be.

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I'll cross mine with you.

[Brian]

The best Star Trek series was DS9. Actually, I enjoyed all the Star Trek series, but DS9 stood out for some reason.

The best film was First Contact (if that was the one where Data feigned that he was a bad guy when the Borg took over.) I get my Star Trek movies mixed up.

[borgmatrix]

Originally posted by Brian@Feb 17 2004, 05:37 PM
The best Star Trek series was DS9. Actually, I enjoyed all the Star Trek series, but DS9 stood out for some reason.
I consider DS9 the best Trek series as well.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>The best film was First Contact (if that was the one where Data feigned that he was a bad guy when the Borg took over.) I get my Star Trek movies mixed up.[/b][/quote]
Yeah, that was First Contact. I have a tough time deciding which movie I liked best. It's between First Contact, Wrath of Khan, and Undiscovered Country.

Nemesis wasn't bad, but much more was needed given that there's been so much Trek over the last decade. Much of what we saw in Nemesis had been done before in some form. They needed to do something different. But there were certain aspects I liked. What disappointed me was the cuts that were made. If some of those scenes were put back in, I think it would be a stronger movie.

All I want right now, in regards to Star Trek, is Rick Berman fired. He's destroyed Star Trek.

[xSithxMaulx]

Insurrection wasn't all that bad. But First Contact was awesome.

And I loved the part in Nemesis when they made it seem like the other Android was the one coming to get JEan Luc, and then it turns out to be data.

[Spacehunter24]

FIRST CONTACT is my favorite as well, followed WRATH OF KHAN and THE UNDISCOVERED COUNTRY.

And personally, I fail to see what's so bad about Rick Berman. (Other than VOYAGER, of course. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif )

[Brian]

Aww...I actually enjoyed Voyager too. The holographic doctor was a neat idea.

[Gazelle]

Borgmatrix, can you explain why you feel so strongly about Rick Berman?

[xSithxMaulx]

Originally posted by Gazelle@Feb 17 2004, 07:47 PM
Borgmatrix, can you explain why you feel so strongly about Rick Berman?
just rented wrath of kahn, PARTY IT UP

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by Brian@Feb 17 2004, 12:37 PM
Aww...I actually enjoyed Voyager too. The holographic doctor was a neat idea.
Yeah, The Doctor and Seven were great characters, they're about the only thing that really kept me interested in that show.

[xSithxMaulx]

Just finished watching "It" THEY ALL FLOAT DOWN HERE!!!

Now watching WoK

[borgmatrix]

Originally posted by Gazelle@Feb 18 2004, 12:47 AM
Borgmatrix, can you explain why you feel so strongly about Rick Berman?
Sure. He's stifling any creativity. Voyager and Enterprise are just clones of TNG. It's the exact same format: starship crew made up of captain, first officer, CMO, etc. encountering new races and situations. That just can't be done again and again and again. That's why ratings are suffering for Trek.

DS9 was the perfect spinoff because it did something different. It took the universe and the races and moved into new territory with them. The writers were ambitious and took chances. If Berman had his way, there would have been no long arcs and no war. I shudder to think of what DS9 might have been like had he been running things. But, fortunately, he was involved with Voyager, so Ira Behr, Ron Moore, and the others had free rein to do what they wanted.

Look at Voyager. It had a great premise. The idea of a starship isolated from the Federation, stranded in foreign space...there was potential there to do things unlike anything we'd seen in past Trek. But under Berman, that didn't happen. The premise was essentially abandoned. Yeah, they were lost, but in a superficial sense. There was no realism. No sense of true danger. The ship was picture perfect every week. The crew seemed to be just fine. Where were the issues of an isolated crew.

Enterprise is no different. Berman said it would be completely different. It's not. He seems to think it's enough to put a ship in foreign space or to go back to previously unwritten about time period. It's not. There has to be some sense of following through with it. Most of Enterprise's episodes (and Voyager's) could have been done on TNG. And that just doesn't make sense. It's just the same thing again with a new cast.

And even the movies have fallen into a rut. There's a threat from a new villain and it all comes down to the final battle between Enterprise and the enemy ship with shields falling to such and such percent....how many times have we seen that? Nemesis bombed for the same reason that Enterprise has terrible ratings: people don't want to see the same thing over and over again. Berman hasn't demonstrated any ability for creativity or innovation. As long as he's calling the shots, Star Trek will stagnate. The franchise is truly in a sorry state right now.

[cj790]

I liked Nemesis, up till the end. I thought it was a little too similar to Wrath of Khan, and thought that there was not enough emotion surrounding Data's death. He encapsulated the ethos of the Next Gen, and not a tear was shed! I think that it suffered from being cut.
At least it as better than Insurresction...

I really like Enterprise too; Imo it is better than DS9 (which I really hated) and Voyager (which I liked once Seven turned up).
It is a shame, but Enterprise, despite getting better ratings than it has done, has recently had its thrid season cut from 26 episodes to 24.

There were initial rumblings of a sequel to Nemesis, from what I have heard, but mainly from Patrick Stewart. Then he did say in an interview that he was finished with Star Trek. Most recent reports have said that the Next Gen is now finished.
There have been rumors of a new series based on Riker's new ship (as mentioned in Nemesis): the Titan. I think this would be the best move. I would like to see more Enterprise, but think that it should stay as a series. The films should then focus on the Titan.
But this new series probably wont happen.
Most people are now fed up with Trek style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif
Marina Sirtis recently said that they should pull the plug for a while, and then in 5 or 10 years bring the franchise back after getting some enthusiasm going...

[borgmatrix]

Originally posted by cj790@Feb 19 2004, 11:53 AM
I liked Nemesis, up till the end. I thought it was a little too similar to Wrath of Khan, and thought that there was not enough emotion surrounding Data's death. He encapsulated the ethos of the Next Gen, and not a tear was shed! I think that it suffered from being cut.
At least it as better than Insurresction...
The similarities to TWOK were intended, to pay tribute, but perhaps they made certain elements to similar. I liked Nemesis as well, but it felt very tired. Everything, in one form or another, had been done before. With the story involving a new Praetor for the Romulan Empire, there was the potential to have a story that involved Starfleet as a whole. Unfortunately, it was just the Enterprise again. The movie needed something a little bigger. Something with more scope.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>I really like Enterprise too; Imo it is better than DS9 (which I really hated) and Voyager (which I liked once Seven turned up).[/b][/quote]
Why did you hate DS9?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Most people are now fed up with Trek style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif
Marina Sirtis recently said that they should pull the plug for a while, and then in 5 or 10 years bring the franchise back after getting some enthusiasm going...[/b][/quote]
And that goes back to the fact that nothing new has been done with Trek in years. I'd like to see movies following Riker and the Titan as well, but I don't trust Berman to be able to come up with anything original using them. Sirtis is right. Trek needs a break. And it needs new direction.

[xSithxMaulx]

Am I th eonly one who finds it odd that so many star wars fans dislike Star Trek movies? Granted I like Star Wars more.

But obviously it is partially because of the whole rivalry thing....but I just don't see how one could find star wars interesting, but dislike Star Trek. Excluding the younger audience.

Perhaps they prefer more of a fantasy aspect like in star wars. But personally I enjoy going from the Star Wars fantasy, to a more scientific StarTrek.

The way I look at it, they are like Apple and Oranges. They both rule, so why not eat both?

Bad analogy? Welcome to xSithxMaulx "just wokeup" posts.

[borgmatrix]

Originally posted by xSithxMaulx@Feb 19 2004, 05:22 PM
The way I look at it, they are like Apple and Oranges. They both rule, so why not eat both?
Yeah, I agree. I've always liked both ST and SW.

[Count Dookie]

^ I can agree with that style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[Gazelle]

I think there is an element of competition between them and fans feel they have to fall down one side or the other, which of course they don't. I thoroughly enjoy both series.

Interestingly enough, this hasn't happened with Lord of the Rings for some reason. I am sure someone could do a thesis on why.

What is interesting, if I may digress, is the difference between American and British science fiction. Star Trek typifies American sci-fi in that it is team based. There is a sense of unity among the characters - they are (largely speaking) submissive to a higher authority of some kind; whether it be Starfleet, or the military, or General Riekken. Many of the American sci-fi series have this formula (Stargate, Battlestar Galactica, etc) of consisting of a team that serve a Governmental power. Even the Jedi are given military ranks.

Nothing could be further from the truth with British sci-fi which consists of characters that rebel against authority. Doctor Who and Blake's Seven are classic examples of this. The essence of a British show is based around someone on the run from authority and having adventures while they do that. Whether this says something about our two cultures I am not sure! There is a thesis in that as well.

Anyway, thank you Borgmatrix for your post on Mr Berman. I see your point.

[borgmatrix]

Originally posted by Gazelle@Feb 19 2004, 10:36 PM
Interestingly enough, this hasn't happened with Lord of the Rings for some reason. I am sure someone could do a thesis on why.
One reason might be that it's falls into the fantasy genre and that there really haven't been any other notable fantasy movies to serve as competition. Star Wars has that element, but as has been mentioned, most tend to compare it to Star Trek.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Anyway, thank you Borgmatrix for your post on Mr Berman. I see your point.[/b][/quote]
Sure. No problem.

[cj790]

Originally posted by borgmatrix@Feb 19 2004, 05:01 PM
Why did you hate DS9?
I just found it very stale in comparison to the other series'. The dialogue was often very weak; the characters were, in the large part, uninteresting (Major Kira = biggest nonentity in the Alpha Quadrant; Odo = interesting concept, shame about the rehash of a thousand other character types; Dr. Bashir = am I supposed to care about this character?; Chef O'Brien = irritating Irish stereotype in Next Gen, why raise his profile?; Quark = predictable, irritating); I found most of the storylines rather flat (not interested in Bajor at all, sorry! Dull, dull, dull); very poor acting, even for sci-fi (Benjamin Sisko = Worst. Actor. Ever.); and basically, I expected more.
It was hyped as a mature, dark Trek, but what we got was more of the same, with blander dialogue, fewer attachments to the characters, and a sense of our rapidly declining lifespan whilst sitting through another arduous episode.

I know I've been harsh, but that's just my opinion. I have some friends who really like it, so I know there is an audience for it.
I guess I expected what they hyped, and was disappointed when I didn't get it; but even watching some episodes this week I found the same flaws.
I think this was the series that really divided some Trek fans style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[cj790]

On other notes:

I don't trust Berman either...
High time the franchise had a new Captain, methinks.


I've always enjoyed both Trek and Wars, too. I find those divisionists rather bizarre really, like having a local derby in a football match. I guess people always hate those they are nearest to (as with Jung's theories).

[borgmatrix]

Originally posted by cj790@Feb 20 2004, 11:58 AM
I found most of the storylines rather flat (not interested in Bajor at all, sorry! Dull, dull, dull);
I can understand feeling that way. The subject isn't something that everyone will respond to it. Especially, I'd say, since previous Trek had involved exploration of space. DS9 instead focused on the politics of the quadrant. That certainly makes for different stories. But there was a lot going on besides the issues surrounding Bajor. The conflict with the Dominion, which was hinted at during the first two years, really took off beginning in year three. And that affected not only the Federation/Starfleet, but the Romulans, Cardassians, and Klingon in major ways.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>The dialogue was often very weak; the characters were, in the large part, uninteresting (Major Kira = biggest nonentity in the Alpha Quadrant; Odo = interesting concept, shame about the rehash of a thousand other character types; Dr. Bashir = am I supposed to care about this character?; Chef O'Brien = irritating Irish stereotype in Next Gen, why raise his profile?; Quark = predictable, irritating);* very poor acting, even for sci-fi (Benjamin Sisko = Worst. Actor. Ever.); and basically, I expected more.[/b][/quote]
I have to disagree, strongly. Whether viewers liked the subject matter or not, the one thing I don't think could be questioned was the quality of what the writers did. Overall, the dialogue was no less than what we've seen in the other Treks shows. Same for the acting (on the whole). Avery Brooks was not great. There were times when he overacted. "Far Beyond the Stars" in particular featured one of those moments. But generally, he was fine. Certainly not the worst ever.

The characters I found to be extremely interesting, because the situations they were in were developing and changing as the years passed. As an example, consider Kira, Bashir, and Ben Sisko. These three were different from who they were in the first episode. And the same applies to other characters.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>It was hyped as a mature, dark Trek, but what we got was more of the same, with blander dialogue, fewer attachments to the characters, and a sense of our rapidly declining lifespan whilst sitting through another arduous episode.[/b][/quote]
DS9 was hardly more of the same. None of the other Trek series' have featured long-running arcs and storylines. The atmosphere was most definitely grimmer and darker given the events that were occuring, events that affected not just the station, but all the major powers of the AQ. The threat of war, and eventually, war itself played a large part in DS9's run. That is not light subject matter.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>I know I've been harsh, but that's just my opinion. I have some friends who really like it, so I know there is an audience for it.
I guess I expected what they hyped, and was disappointed when I didn't get it[/b][/quote]
Sure. And it's great to hear other opinions. But in terms of not getting what was "hyped", I'm curious as to how much of DS9 you did watch. The writers always kept the "big picture" in mind and built on it, with increasing intensity, each season.

[cj790]

Originally posted by borgmatrix@Feb 20 2004, 04:04 PM
in terms of not getting what was "hyped", I'm curious as to how much of DS9 you did watch. The writers always kept the "big picture" in mind and built on it, with increasing intensity, each season.
I watched the first 5 series' in full, then caught occasional episodes from the last two around a friends house.
I understand you arguments completely (my friends who like it say pretty much the same), but I guess it boils down to personal taste in the end. I've tried it, quite a few times, and just didn't like it. Unlike all the other Trek shows, I really couldn't find myself caring about the characters in the slightest, and that was what really drove me away from the show.

I'd be really interested to hear your thoughts on Enterprise, Borgmatix!

BTW- doe sanyone here play the Trek ccg too?

[borgmatrix]

Originally posted by cj790@Feb 21 2004, 01:11 PM
I'd be really interested to hear your thoughts on Enterprise, Borgmatix!
When I heard there would be a 5th Trek series immediately following Voyager's end, I was disappointed to say the least. I felt it was much too soon for another series, though I maintained hope that it would be different. But aside from a new cast and time period, nothing really appears to have changed. There have been some strong episodes (Shockwave I, Dead Stop, Anomaly), but most have been average. So far, there's been nothing that's really pushed the envelope or moved Trek into new territory.

I was glad to see them trying something more longterm with the Xindi storyline, but I don't think they're making full use of the potential nor using the right story. For one thing, I would have rather seen them stick with the Temporal Cold War theme. But, I'm still wondering why they'd want to go either of these routes. Why go into the past if not to deal with Starfleet's beginnings and the founding of the Federation. That's what these episodes should be focusing on.

The cast seems fine, though I've been disappointed with the portrayal of Capt. Archer. I would have liked to have seen someone with more backbone. We seen flashes of that this season (Anomaly, for example), but I'd prefer more consistency and to have seen some of that from episode 1. Trip's probably my favorite of the characters. And I also think Phlox is a great character.

My complaints, overall, are the same as with Voyager. We don't need another 7 years of episodic television featuring the same basic character set aboard a starship of exploration. We've had 17 years of that with TOS, TNG, and VOY.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>BTW- doe sanyone here play the Trek ccg too?[/b][/quote]
Used to. But around the time the FC set was released, I had a hard time finding them in any shop around here. The comic store I usually go to stopped carrying them because no one was buying them. Same for other places I checked. And, I didn't have anyone to play with regularly.

[cj790]

Interesting thoughts!

I agree for the most part, especially that it was too soon to bring out a new series. I actually like Cpt. Archer though; there's something about him that is unlike the other recent Captains, in that he seems more adventurous, more liekable than the hardnoses of Janeway and Sisko. Actually Trip is the only character I don't like - again find him to be a bit of a Trek character stereotype, and too predictable. Malcom Reed is my favourite, though Phlox is a great character too. I also like Hoshi. Mayweather needs a few more episodes dedicated to himself IMO.
I agree that they should be dealing with the foundation of the Federation, but I don't mind a few detours on the way.
I was quite prepared to hate this series (especially after hearing the theme!!!!), but I've grown to it more so than DS9 or even Voyager; I think it does actually capture the feel of the original series and, paradoxically, the Next Gen.
I guess you're right in that we don't need another 7 years following people on a spaceship; but I think with a more sustained storyline (perhaps based on the foundation of the Federation in light of the temporal cold war, and the war with the Xindi?), a la DS9, it could really shape into a great series.

Yeah all my ccg Trek stores dried up for a while too, but I've recently got hold of a new version they've brought out, which is still for the most part compatible with the first edition. It's brought me back into the game again style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[borgmatrix]

Originally posted by cj790@Feb 22 2004, 01:06 PM
I actually like Cpt. Archer though; there's something about him that is unlike the other recent Captains, in that he seems more adventurous, more liekable than the hardnoses of Janeway and Sisko.
He is likeable. It's just that since Enterprise is the first starship and space is truly such an unknown and dangerous place, I would expect a little bit more of an edge in the first captain.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>I guess you're right in that we don't need another 7 years following people on a spaceship; but I think with a more sustained storyline (perhaps based on the foundation of the Federation in light of the temporal cold war, and the war with the Xindi?), a la DS9, it could really shape into a great series.
[/b][/quote]
It's possible. But I was thinking that way with Voyager too, and before I knew it 5 years were up and show hadn't improved. We're already halfway (or more?) through season 3, so I would have expected improvement by now. Really, I was expecting it from the start. Berman and Braga have been doing this since TNG, so they should know what they're doing by this point. They shouldn't need a couple season to get rolling.

For me, it's kind of too late. There's been nothing up until now that's shown any promise for me. I'm not willing to invest my time for an occassional great episode. The must watch shows for me right now are Alias and 24 (and The Shield once it starts up again). I wish Star Trek was doing something a little bigger and different like those shows.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Yeah all my ccg Trek stores dried up for a while too, but I've recently got hold of a new version they've brought out, which is still for the most part compatible with the first edition. It's brought me back into the game again style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif[/b][/quote]
What's the new set? Sounds interesting.

[cj790]

Originally posted by borgmatrix@Feb 22 2004, 09:52 PM

It's possible. But I was thinking that way with Voyager too, and before I knew it 5 years were up and show hadn't improved. We're already halfway (or more?) through season 3, so I would have expected improvement by now. Really, I was expecting it from the start. Berman and Braga have been doing this since TNG, so they should know what they're doing by this point. They shouldn't need a couple season to get rolling.

Yeah, I know what you mean (although I'm still on the wrong side of the pond, and so am only half way through series 2...); but I do think this series is a definite improvement on Voyager.

I watched Nemesis for the second time last night (had it on dvd for a while but couldn't bring myself to watch it style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif ); I actually much prefered it the second time around. I think it is certainly an improvement on Insurrection. Actually, I think the quality of the movie and some of the Enterprise episodes is really being missed - I think that basically the fanbase is just a little tired of Trek right now, and need a few years off.

The new ccg is pretty much on the same lines with the old set, except it incorporates images from all the series' at once. It also has stills from Nemesis. Play is pretty much the same, except for the set up and how you play dilemmas, but I just incorporate the cards into my old pack, as for the most part they are identical. The format has changed a little too, but the reverse of the cards are still the same style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif
I had two packs: Federation (which came with Picard, and also Riker and Worf though I'm not sure if these were set or lucky picks) and Romulan (which came with Shinzon); though I've also seen a Klingon pack (with Gowron), another Federation pack (with Sisko), a Dominion pack and a Borg pack.

[borgmatrix]

Originally posted by cj790@Feb 23 2004, 11:47 AM
I watched Nemesis for the second time last night (had it on dvd for a while but couldn't bring myself to watch it style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif ); I actually much prefered it the second time around. I think it is certainly an improvement on Insurrection. Actually, I think the quality of the movie and some of the Enterprise episodes is really being missed - I think that basically the fanbase is just a little tired of Trek right now, and need a few years off.
Just looking at what it did, Nemesis certainly wasn't bad. If it had been among the first Trek movies, it would have been well-received. The same is probably true of the Enterprise episodes. So I understand where you're coming from in terms of the quality being missed. But Nemesis and Enterprise don't exist in a vacuum. There were 9 ST movies before Nemesis and 4 series preceding Enterprise. The writers can't just ignore that. They can't pretend those series and movies didn't exist and continue on with the same format and stories. The fanbase is tired of Trek right now and rightfully so.

If the Paramount execs are determined to continue with Trek on tv and on the big screen, it's their responsibility to bring in people who will allow things to evolve. Berman and Braga and the other writers might be making use of the Trek format to the fullest extent that it can be. In fact, I would say that they are. They've done it for so long, I think they can put out these episodes very easily and with great production values. But they're beating a dead horse. It's hard for me, and many others, to be interested in the slightest by the majority of the new episodes, because the core elements have been done to death. They hardly seem "new".

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>I had two packs: Federation (which came with Picard, and also Riker and Worf though I'm not sure if these were set or lucky picks) and Romulan (which came with Shinzon); though I've also seen a Klingon pack (with Gowron), another Federation pack (with Sisko), a Dominion pack and a Borg pack.[/b][/quote]
Sounds cool. I picked up some kind of box set a couple years ago at a great price, but haven't even opened it to take a look a the cards. I don't have anyone to play with and probably wouldn't want to take the time anyway. From what I remember, setting up the cards to play was kind of tedious. It doesn't sound like they've changed or improved the rules much. I think if it was easier to get started and play, I'd probably have more incentive.

[cj790]

I know what you mean about the context of the films and series too - yes, it has all been done before.
I think it's a difficult call to make because there is still a die-hard fanbase demanding more Trek at the same time as those criticizing it for not being more creative. I think allowing Enterprise to air without the Trek moniker was a good move - I know two frineds who hate Trek but love Enterprise because of it. I think this is actually the flaw with Enterpirse; from my experience it is mainly losing it's larger fanbase and taking on a lot of relative Trek newcomers.

The rules of the new set have changed a little in set up, but to be honest with you I haven't read the new rule book because I stil play the old way style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif
I think, if you're interested, the decipher web site has a list of the new rules...
I'll try to look for you.

[borgmatrix]

Originally posted by cj790@Feb 24 2004, 01:29 PM
I think allowing Enterprise to air without the Trek moniker was a good move - I know two frineds who hate Trek but love Enterprise because of it.
I'm not sure I understand that. Whether "Star Trek" is in the title or not, it's still part of the same universe. I liked the title "Enterprise" simply because it seemed unnecessary to call it Star Trek. The Enterprise is pretty synonymous with Star Trek. But, for better or worse, I think with the beginning of the 3rd season, "Star Trek" was added to the title.

[jom]

Originally posted by cj790@Feb 19 2004, 03:53 AM
I liked Nemesis, up till the end. I thought it was a little too similar to Wrath of Khan, ...
Yeah, and similar to First Contact and similar to Insurrection and similar to....

That was the problem with Nemisis...it was just a copy of things before it. Borrrrring....It's really a shame the TNG stories ended that way.....

People actually liked Voyager? Can you say "Tuvix"? lol I'm sorry but that show was TERRIBLE.

TV shows in this order: TNG, DS9, TOS, Enterpise......................................... .................................then Boringger

Movies: Wrath, First Contact, Undiscovered, Voyage Home.....

jom

[cj790]

Originally posted by borgmatrix+Feb 24 2004, 05:34 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(borgmatrix @ Feb 24 2004, 05:34 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-cj790@Feb 24 2004, 01:29 PM
I think allowing Enterprise to air without the Trek moniker was a good move - I know two frineds who hate Trek but love Enterprise because of it.
I'm not sure I understand that. Whether "Star Trek" is in the title or not, it's still part of the same universe. I liked the title "Enterprise" simply because it seemed unnecessary to call it Star Trek. The Enterprise is pretty synonymous with Star Trek. But, for better or worse, I think with the beginning of the 3rd season, "Star Trek" was added to the title. [/b][/quote]
I know what you mean- I wouldn't have thought it would have made a difference either, but aparently it did!

[Ripley the Warmaster]

<span style="color:blue">I was recently watching DS9, and enjoyed how great it was. I turn on UPN to watch Enterprise and I hate it. Anyone got an opinion on the current state or Star Trek?</span>

[Momin327]

It could use new blood. The Power That Be, which controls Trek, has been controlling since Roddenberry died in 1991. That's thirteen years, and there's hardly been anything captivating about Trek since 1994. After Star Trek: First Contact, TPTB turned arrogant, giving Insurrection the largest budget of any Trek film, and it bombed at the box office. Somehow, Paramount chose to give them one last chance with Nemesis, and its box office receipts were smaller than Insurrection, or even Star Trek V: The Final Frontier. Now, Enterprise is slipping in the ratings. Let's face it, Trek's glory days are long gone. Unless something's done, we may not have Star Trek ever again.

[Seanakin]

Yeah, too bad TPTB have their heads stuck in the 24th Century, at least as far as economic theory and market forces go. It's a wonder that it occurred to nobody that the quickest way to devalue a product is to flood the market with it.

[Momin327]

Star Trek, like all good things, is fine in small doses. But when you get too much, it brings negativity to the heart and mind. The overkill began in 1993, TNG was at the close of it 6th season, and DS9 started that same year. 1994, TNG ended after seven seasons, leaving DS9 by itself on the TV, and then TNG jumped to the big screen with "Generations", which, like the TOS crew's first out of "The Motion Picture", got mixed reviews, because of the shoddy way they (completely and unnecessarily) sent off Kirk. Then in 1995, Voyager premiered along DS9. It's too much in a small period of two years.

[Ripley the Warmaster]

<span style="color:blue">DS9 is my fav Trek. One of the only two Treks I like through the entire run; the other being the original. I blame Voyager for being bad for it's first four seasons, and the horridity of Enteriprise for killing Trek. Insurrection and Nemisis didn't help any, even though I like them.</span>

[Momin327]

I'm a purist with Trek, I prefer the TOS series and the TOS movies.

[Seanakin]

Insurrection was actually a fun little movie, IMO. Unfortunately, like you said, Paramount broke the bank making this fun little movie.

And to think, its predecessor is probably the best ST film of all time. How quickly they fall.

[Momin327]

I disagree. I think the best Trek movie is "Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan", 'cause think about it: if Star Trek II had failed, there'd be NO more Trek movies, NO TNG, and invariably, NO DS9 or Voyager. And forget about Enterprise. This was the movie that made Star Trek more than simply "another show".

[Seanakin]

Having sat through ST I, I'll agree with your argument.

However, to make that your sole basis for calling it the best ST flick ever is like saying Episode IV is the best SW movie ever because if it had flopped, there'd have been no others to follow, and I'd probably be having a life somewhere at this moment. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif

[Momin327]

As Yoda said, "Size matters not." All these newer Trek shows have got all sorts of attention at visuals, but they come at the expense of clever, original storylines or memorable characters, primary or secondary. When he was pitching TOS, Gene Roddenberry went through the same ordeal Lucas went through when he pitched ANH. No studio showed any interest in it because they thought it would not succeed. But when they get accepted by a studio, they receive a small budget. But goddamnit, they both had made the best of it, and came out on top as kings of Sci-Fi. TOS and ANH gave us memorable characters, memorable visuals, memorable music, etc... And it's no surprise why they're still popular almost 30-40 years later.

[Tovor]

IMO, the best Trek film of all was The Undiscovered Country.
I loved TNG, never missed an episode and have about 90 episodes on video taped from TV. DS9 was good but it didn't captivate me as TNG had, and I didn't watch it faithfully. Voyager bored the crap out of me. I stopped watching it soon after it began its run. Enterprise, on the other hand, I happen to like. Yet I really never watch it, but that's due to my infrequent TV viewing habits of the last few years.

But as for movies, I don't know where they can go from where they left off. I think that the franchise, and the writing of Rick Berman and Brannon Braga, has exhausted itself. Maybe the only way to reignite the franchise fuel is to get a different writer and story telling style and take Picard and Worf and that crew back into darker, grittier, more war oriented plots; or start over with a completely new crew and starship set in the 25th or 26th century and explore all new ideas rather than rehashing plots with Romulans and Klingons and Borg.

[Momin327]

Yes. Get new writers for the franchise. Let Berman keep his title as producer, but don't let him have any power. Personally, I want to return to the 23rd century, but that doesn't necessarily mean focus on Kirk again. What about the crew of the Enterprise-B from "Generations"? They were seriously underdeveloped. Or an "Excelsior" TV series with Sulu as captain? But another thing I want done is to undo Kirk's death in "Generations". Kirk's sendoff in TUC was excellent because you knew he and the crew were retiring, and they were riding off in the sunset like heroes. "Generations" ruined that image. I don't want the last we see of Kirk to be nothing more that a big pile of blood in some mountainside. I want him riding off in the sunset... again. And with new concepts set in the 23rd century, Kirk doesn't have to be focused upon, but you can keep him there when you'd like to bring him back in the spotlight.

[Justin]

I say no new Star Trek movies or shows for about five years, when everyone's (hopefully) had the chance to get rid of the after taste of the poor incarnations that have been put forth lately, and then come out with some all-new, completely retooled Star Trek that gets back to what made the original series great and does away with all the stuff that has weighed Star Trek down.

[Momin327]

I agree. Star Trek's 5 year mission should to recuperate from the stress it's been going through for the past 10 years. We should either demote or fire TPTB with Star Trek. Sure, Star Trek and Star Wars haven't been at their best lately, but what sets them apart are the people in charge of each respective franchise. Lucas listens to his fans, Berman does not. Lucas got complaints about TPM, and corrected most of them in AOTC (less Jar-Jar). Berman, on the other hand, tries avoiding his problems with him, by putting style over substance in terrible proportions. He completely alienated fans in "Generations", the movie that was supposed to "unite" TOS and TNG fans, but formed a larger gap because of Kirk's death in the movie. And the terrible thing is, fans are writing letters to him, calling them, day in and day out, to completely undo Kirk's death. But what does he do. He leaves the phone off the hook. If Berman starts listening to his fans more often, if Paramount gave TOS the same attention they give the new shows, then who knows how well TOS could have been. It's all about faith, and as Vader himself put it, "I find your lack of faith disturbing".

[Justin]

I don't really see the point of undoing Kirk's death, there probably shouldn't be any more movies with him because Shatner's getting too old. I would rather they hadn't killed him (not that they should have gone on making movies with Kirk in them) but at least he died a heroic death. If you're really concerned about it, William Shatner wrote a book where Kirk was ressurected.

[Momin327]

You're kidding me, right? Shatner's looking good for his age. He's 73, and he looks better than Patrick Stewart, who's nine years younger than Shatner! Christopher Lee's 82, and he's still making movies! Besides there's nothing heroic about falling off a bridge.

[cj790]

I love Star Trek!

And I also love Enterprise!

I think there has been too much ST in recent years (specifically Voyager running alongside DS9), and the rapid turnover times bewteen films and new series'.
They should let Enterprise run on it's own for a few years; when it's finished let it go for another year or two, then start thinking about another series or film.

[Ripley the Warmaster]

<span style="color:blue">One of my friends in RL came up with an interesting idea to keep Trek going. He thought doing an EU similar to Star Wars by having it be one running story with contiunty. This sounds like an interesting idea, but it would be hard do to all the current stories out there with no contiunty.</span>

[Obi-Stu]

Okay before I start I must state for the record that I became a true Star Trek Fan waiting for TPM to come out.

My wife and my friends dragged me out to see Insurection and I've been hooked ever since.

I watched TOS as a kid but couldn't get in to the rest. until now...

I have rented out every episode of Voyager, loved each one. I love Enterprise, apart from the inconsistincies. I have learn't to enjoy TNG, but I still can't get in to DSN.

I guess you can call me a convert... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

Question:

Is the T'pol (sp) in Enterprise the same T'pol in the TOS episodes and the same T'pol as TVH?

(too many abrieviations...)

[Momin327]

No. That was T'Pau from the TOS episode "Amok Time", and Vulcan priestess T'Lar from "Star Trek III: The Search For Spock". In fact, it was originally T'Pau, but the writer of "Amok Time" demanded royalties of the name if it was used, so it was changed to T'Pol. Personally, I think the concept of the show "Enterprise" is blasphemous to the name "Star Trek".

[T-bone]

Originally posted by Momin327@Jul 1 2004, 10:42 AM
No. That was T'Pau from the TOS episode "Amok Time", and Vulcan priestess T'Lar from "Star Trek III: The Search For Spock". In fact, it was originally T'Pau, but the writer of "Amok Time" demanded royalties of the name if it was used, so it was changed to T'Pol. Personally, I think the concept of the show "Enterprise" is blasphemous to the name "Star Trek".
They wanted to change it to T'bone but I told them to go scratch!

SW Rules. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/saber.gif

[Momin327]

Heh, that's friggin' hilarious, T'Boss!

[Seanakin]

I thought T'Pau was some one-hit wonder from the Eighties. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/giveup.gif

[Tovor]

Originally posted by Seanakin@Jul 1 2004, 01:48 PM
I thought T'Pau was some one-hit wonder from the Eighties. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/giveup.gif
It mademe think of that cross dresser from the 90's, Ru Paul.

[Obi-Stu]

Thanks Momin.

[brookie]

i lovins the movie trekkies!!! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

[Darth Whaler]

I've never seen Enterprise. I've seen a couple of Deep Space Nines, but wasn't impressed.

However, I loved TNG and got hooked on Voyager (it's on at 12am every weekday where I live and it gives my wife and I something to watch in bed).

My only real complaint with Voyager is the fact that the Holodeck is overused. It seems like it's every other episode. It's like the writers could not think of anything else to do. Here's a sample of dialogue between the writers that I envision might have occurred...

Writer 1: I'm out of ideas for the show. If only we could have Janeway meet Leonardo DaVinci.

Writer 2: But we can! We have the Holodeck! Everything is possible with the holodeck!

Writer 1: Great idea...now if only we could have Paris fight old tv-show-style villains.

Writer 2: You forget! We have the Holodeck!

Writer 1: Awesome! Now, let's also write an episode with the Erogians (sp?) where they attack Voyager and want something of theirs. What could the Erogians value so much?

Writer 2: How about the Holodeck?

Writer 1: Yeah!

You get the point...I think the holodeck is overused.

[Obi-Stu]

I agree. But I loved Voyager. It got me on to the rest of Trek.

[Obi-Stu]

This was on Killermovies.com today:

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Rick Berman talked to Sci Fi Wire about talks he has had with Jonathan Frakes ( about a new Star Trek movie. Berman also said that the talks were "very, very early," and would take the series in a new direction.

"I spoke to Jonathan about a half an hour ago," Berman said in an interview July 20 at UPN's fall press preview in Los Angeles. "He's in Japan, and he's coming here his film [Thunderbirds] is premiering Saturday here in Los Angeles. There are very, very early conversations going on about a film project. But they're so early that it's really kind of silly to talk about it now."

Berman added that the movie would not center on the Star Trek: The Next Generation crew, as have the last several movies. "The movie that we're having very early discussions about would have nothing to do with any of the characters that have ever existed on any of the Star Trek series," Berman said. "It would be an entirely new setting and an entirely new set of characters, and it would take place prior to any of the series, including Enterprise."[/quote]


What could possibly be Star Trek prior to Enterprise? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/giveup.gif

[Momin327]

He's desperate to keep his hold on Trek's reigns. He'll do anything to make sure he still has a job. He's Star Trek's Eisner.

[Obi-Stu]

He's goona ruin it, I tell you.

[cj790]

I think this is similar to the Aintitcool rumour a few months ago; they said that Berman was considering a series of three movies focusing on the foundation of Starfleet, and the Federation.

I think that would be poo.
Focus on the tv series' for the mo! Enterprise is really good!
Besides, it seems like many people have had too much Trek for a while...

[Momin327]

Originally posted by Momin327@Jun 30 2004, 03:48 PM
Star Trek, like all good things, is fine in small doses. But when you get too much, it brings negativity to the heart and mind. The overkill began in 1993, TNG was at the close of it 6th season, and DS9 started that same year. 1994, TNG ended after seven seasons, leaving DS9 by itself on the TV, and then TNG jumped to the big screen with "Generations", which, like the TOS crew's first out of "The Motion Picture", got mixed reviews, because of the shoddy way they (completely and unnecessarily) sent off Kirk. Then in 1995, Voyager premiered along DS9. It's too much in a small period of two years.
I wrote this about the big doses in Trek over the years, cj790

[walong]

start trek will never make it on the big screen. it just isnt built for it, and I wish they would quit trying.Ive always thought ds9 and enterprise were a bit of a snore, they just never could hold my interest the way tos and tng could. voyager & tng started off slow but got better over time.

i agree that its better in smaller doses and that the holodeck has historically been overused. I wouldnt mind if they brouhgt back another series like tng, perhaps set some years later than tng.

[Obi-Stu]

I enjoy the movies, but it really helps having watched the TV serries first. I can't see something standing on it's own working.

[Ripley the Warmaster]

Originally posted by Obi-Stu@Jul 23 2004, 12:33 AM
This was on Killermovies.com today:

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Rick Berman talked to Sci Fi Wire about talks he has had with Jonathan Frakes ( about a new Star Trek movie. Berman also said that the talks were "very, very early," and would take the series in a new direction.

"I spoke to Jonathan about a half an hour ago," Berman said in an interview July 20 at UPN's fall press preview in Los Angeles. "He's in Japan, and he's coming here his film [Thunderbirds] is premiering Saturday here in Los Angeles. There are very, very early conversations going on about a film project. But they're so early that it's really kind of silly to talk about it now."

Berman added that the movie would not center on the Star Trek: The Next Generation crew, as have the last several movies. "The movie that we're having very early discussions about would have nothing to do with any of the characters that have ever existed on any of the Star Trek series," Berman said. "It would be an entirely new setting and an entirely new set of characters, and it would take place prior to any of the series, including Enterprise."


What could possibly be Star Trek prior to Enterprise? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/giveup.gif [/quote]
<span style="color:blue">Could ruin it? I think he already has.</span>

[Momin327]

Agreed again. Let somebody else get Trek's reigns for a while.

[cj790]

Originally posted by Momin327+Jul 23 2004, 04:30 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Momin327 @ Jul 23 2004, 04:30 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-Momin327@Jun 30 2004, 03:48 PM
Star Trek, like all good things, is fine in small doses. But when you get too much, it brings negativity to the heart and mind. The overkill began in 1993, TNG was at the close of it 6th season, and DS9 started that same year. 1994, TNG ended after seven seasons, leaving DS9 by itself on the TV, and then TNG jumped to the big screen with "Generations", which, like the TOS crew's first out of "The Motion Picture", got mixed reviews, because of the shoddy way they (completely and unnecessarily) sent off Kirk. Then in 1995, Voyager premiered along DS9. It's too much in a small period of two years.
I wrote this about the big doses in Trek over the years, cj790 [/b][/quote]
Agreed.

[JKRich]

I couldnt get into Enterprise until the Xindi storyline.That was really good.

[Momin327]

I've completely given up on Star Trek. "It's more about machines now than mankind."

[Obi-Stu]

Originally posted by JKRich@Jul 25 2004, 06:36 AM
I couldnt get into Enterprise until the Xindi storyline.That was really good.
I agree, season 2 was too good until the end. We don't have season three here in SA yet.

[Ripley the Warmaster]

<span style="color:blue">I watched some of the Xindi episodes. I found them to be a bore.</span>

[Justin]

So Season one of the original Star Trek series comes out this month. The packaging looks really dumb, and check out this promo video:

Star Trek on DVD (http://www.scifiheaven.net/main/trailers/toss1hi.html)

Isn't that really weird?

[Momin327]

I think it's clever pacaking. The three season DVD covers are of the three colored uniforms: Yellow (Kirk, Sulu and Chekhov)), Red (Scotty and Uhura), and Blue (Spock and McCoy). Quite clever.

[Justin]

Ok sure, but they look like school lunch boxes. Which is weird. The color scheme is really no big deal, but the boxes are so clunky and misshapen. It will look really weird on my shelf, man! That is, if I buy them. Which I probably will, because the original Star Trek rocks.

[Momin327]

I'd get it, but I'm the only person in my family that likes only the TOS.

[Justin]

I thought you liked the rest of it too. Are you saying that the rest of the people in your family don't like the original series? And who cares man, get it for yourself, lol.

[Momin327]

No, they like TOS, but they're more of the TNG fan.

[Spacehunter24]

Yeah, I hate those boxes, and even though I like ENTERPRISE and TNG more, I'll buy them. They're still fun to watch.

[P-Ray]

The original Star Trek is classic. The old sets, etc are some of their appeal. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

[Obi-Stu]

Sci-fi channel recently had the TOS reruns, and I have gained a new appeciation for the old gang.

Much better watching it in the thirties than as an 8 year old...

[Momin327]

You have to respect it because everything about Trek: the movies, the 24th century spinoffs wouldn't be here if it wasn't for this show.

[Obi-Stu]

Definately, sets the ground for the rest.

[Momin327]

TOS has the best damn music in fight sequences! duh-duh-DUH-DUH-DUH-DUH-DUH-duh-duh-duh-duh - bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum (repeat until somebody wins)

[Ripley the Warmaster]

<span style="color:blue">I'd like to get them. TOS and DS9 are the only two Treks I like in their entire run.</span>

[Anguirus111]

TOS was the good because it tackled current day issues with a 23rd century setting.

[Sluggo]

In 1966, the future was funky.

[Ripley the Warmaster]

Originally posted by Sluggo@Aug 17 2004, 07:33 PM
In 1966, the future was funky.
<span style="color:blue">Plus Klingons were humans with tanned skins instead of having black skin with weird foreheads. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue2.gif </span>

[Justin]

Yeah, but that's the first movie's fault for radically altering the Klingon's physical appearance.

[Sluggo]

Wahoo!!! prosthetic foreheads!

[stormtrooper9]

Ok the point of that promo movie was..... Looks like it was made by a fan with too much time in there hands style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif and the music.......What is with that? no point with that they should of had no or have keep the music as it would be in the show

[Siri Ruane]

Originally posted by Justin@Aug 12 2004, 01:10 AM
Isn't that really weird?
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Are you kidding? Its freakin awesome!! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/chortle.gif

[P-Ray]

http://www.moviehole.net/news/4281.html

It looks possible for Shatner.

[Justin]

They need to completely reinvent Star Trek if they want to do anything with it.

Really, the Star Trek franchise is so tarnished in the eyes of the general public that I highly doubt it will be successful in the mainstream for a long, long time or unless they do something radically different.

[borgmatrix]

I haven't been a fan of Enterprise and have only seen a few episodes over the last couple years. But recently, I had a chance to watch the last several episodes of season 3. I have to admit I was surprised. It seems the show has improved. A few comments:

*I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw exterior shots of Enterprise in "Zero Hour". The ship was actually damaged. And bad. One of my biggest problems with VOY was that the ship was picture-perfect every week. It's great to see that Ent is impacted by what's happening on the show.

*I've been enjoying seeing the MACOs over the last couple episodes. In past Trek, it never seemed quite right to me that the security officers had no additional protection or weapons. On Babylon 5, whenever there was a situation, Garibaldi and his guys always came out all geared up. It's good to see something like that in Trek. Hopefully, we'll continue to see that aspect during the remaining seasons of Enterprise. Also loved the fight between one of the MACOs and a Reptilian on the weapon near the end of "Zero Hour". It was well filmed with different moves than I'm used to seeing on ST.

*Archer seems to have more of an edge now, which is great. I caught an episode early in the season when he was trying to get information from someone. I think he threatened to throw him out an airlock or decompress the area or something. I've gotten that same vibe from Archer in the last several episodes. Good to see. He felt far too amiable, I guess, in the early episodes of year 1.

*Love the fact there was an arc to the story this year. It makes for much more compelling television. That's not to say it solved all Enterprises problems. It's a step up, but there are still problems. I never found the Reptilians all that interesting nor any of the other supporting characters like Degra and the other Xindi helping Archer. They never seemed that developed. The only exception was the Andorian (Shran?) and I think that was because of Jeffrey Combs who I think is a fantastic actor. And while it was good to see an arc, it didn't seem nearly as good as the Dominion-related stuff on DS9. Enterprise has improved, but there have still been a lot of times when I was checking my watch, waiting for things to get rolling. "Zero Hour" was no exception. Of course, part of it could be due to missing most of the season. But within the episodes I saw, the supporting characters really never jumped out at me.

But there has been a lot of good. I wasn't willing to give Ent much of a chance before, but I think I'll be tuning in now for season 4. If they can build on season 3, I might stick around till the end. With Berman running things, I never expected to see any changes. Not sure what happened, but he was apparantly ready for something new. Or maybe it all happened in spite of him. But next year, Manny Coto's got creative control, so hopefully he can restore a lot of the energy and originality that's been lost in years past. From what I've read, season 4 is going to be made up of many mini-arcs, which should be cool. It's good they're not going back to the "every episode is its own story" format. There seems to be good things on the horizon for Ent. Here's hoping...

[brookie]

i have never been a big fan of star trek and i have tried to get into them it just didnt take. however after watching trekkies 1 and 2 i decided to give it a second chance, i still dont like TNG, but i enjoy the movies and have begun collecting DS9 dvd box sets ( you can get the japanese letterbox box sets for 25 bucks on amazon!)

[borgmatrix]

Originally posted by brookie@Oct 4 2004, 11:07 PM
i have never been a big fan of star trek and i have tried to get into them it just didnt take. however after watching trekkies 1 and 2 i decided to give it a second chance, i still dont like TNG, but i enjoy the movies and have begun collecting DS9 dvd box sets ( you can get the japanese letterbox box sets for 25 bucks on amazon!)
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DS9 was a heck of series and my favorite. I like TNG and TOS also, though not as much. The only bad Trek shows, IMO, were Voyager and Enterprise (at least first two seasons). I liked most of the movies, though I'll admit the TNG movies should have been a lot bigger.

[Justin]

Voyager kinda sucked early on, but once they brought the Borg chick on, the writing got way better and the show was awesome.

[mazzy]

Personally I LOVE TNG. The origional I need to see more of but I like and Voyager I think has some really good characters. I haven't seen a lot of DS9 so I need to see more because a lot of people have said it's worth watching.

[mazzy]

Oh and I think Enterprise is great but is really sporadically shown on Welsh tv which is a pain.

[brookie]

that stinks mazzy!

does anyone know when enterprise is on in america?

[borgmatrix]

Originally posted by brookie@Oct 5 2004, 05:24 PM
that stinks mazzy!

does anyone know when enterprise is on in america?
<div align="right">Quoted post</div>

Fridays at 8 pm, I think.

[mazzy]

Y'know that is just the right time to sit down after a hard weks work and watch Captain Jonathan Archer do his thing. It's not fair style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/banghead.gif

[Sabrina Fried]

I haven't watched Trek regularly since Gene Roddenberry died. I've seen most of DS9 and some of VOY and Enterprise, but really I don't find them as interesting as the Original series or TNG. I mean the stories just don't have the same spice to them as they used to. The original series was all about using Science Fiction metaphors to discuss issues on television that would otherwise not get airtime, while still telling an entertaining story. The newer series seem to be mostly about shakespearan trained actors (or wannabe shakespearean trained actors) with spoons glued to their foreheads reenacting Hamlet with Klingons or something like that. They do the same stories, or the same kind of stories over and over and over again. But the stories don't seem to have much substance to them beyond having actors in wierd makeup run around in form fitting clothing.

I actually think the best thing for Star Trek would be if it went away for a few years, and I mean completely. No books, no games, no TV, no movies, nothing, and gave the creative people who put these things together a chance to catch their breath. It did wonders for SW!

Sabrina

[borgmatrix]

Originally posted by Sabrina Fried@Oct 6 2004, 02:19 PM
They do the same stories, or the same kind of stories over and over and over again. But the stories don't seem to have much substance to them beyond having actors in wierd makeup run around in form fitting clothing.
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That was certainly the case with Voyager and the first couple seasons of Enterprise, but DS9 had a lot of substance, complexity, and was very different from Trek that had come before it.

The good thing for Star Trek right now is that Enterprise did try something different last season and it seems like they'll be continuing to try different things next season. They've got a new guy with creative control which can only mean better things for Enterprise.

[brookie]

Originally posted by Sabrina Fried@Oct 6 2004, 09:19 AM
I actually think the best thing for Star Trek would be if it went away for a few years, and I mean completely. No books, no games, no TV, no movies, nothing, and gave the creative people who put these things together a chance to catch their breath. It did wonders for SW!

Sabrina
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i agree people have to live without it for a while, in order to realize the reasons they fell in love with it in the first place.

[Ripley the Warmaster]

Originally posted by brookie@Oct 4 2004, 06:07 PM
i have never been a big fan of star trek and i have tried to get into them it just didnt take. however after watching trekkies 1 and 2 i decided to give it a second chance, i still dont like TNG, but i enjoy the movies and have begun collecting DS9 dvd box sets ( you can get the japanese letterbox box sets for 25 bucks on amazon!)
<div align="right">Quoted post</div>

<span style="color:blue">Right now, DS9 and TOS boxsets are the only ones I'd buy. I need my DS9 fix, and Spike TV gave it a crappy timeslot.</span>

[The_Senator_from_Terra]

TNG was wonderful but there are a handful of crap episodes. I miss Voyager. I loooooved Voyager, especially after the first season.

DS9 just plain sucked if you ask me.
I have no opinion on the classic episodes though the "Mirror, Mirror" story was fantastic

[Soontir Solo]

Star Trek is definitely dead.

[borgmatrix]

Originally posted by The_Senator_from_Terra@Oct 8 2004, 02:02 PM
DS9 just plain sucked if you ask me.<div align="right">Quoted post</div>

And how is that? The series was excellent. If you liked "Mirror, Mirror", I'd think you'd be able to appreciate DS9's "Crossover" and "Shattered Mirror".

[The_Senator_from_Terra]

You think it's excellent. I think it's crap. Tomato, toMAHto. =P

[JKRich]

Ds9 was bad until the Founders plot same with Voyager with the Borg and 7 of 9.Enterprise just needs that one good pl