Luke turns in ROTJ, the Emperor dead...

[Teek]

Ep. II spoilers in here.

As we can see from the saga, and most recently Ep. II there's two Sith at a time. What would have happened had Luke fallen like Anakin and managed to strike down the Emperor? Would the Emperor have preferred Luke over Anakin? Was Vader the next in line to be the Sith Master and the head of the Empire? Anakin didn't seem too hot on running a dictatorship, though he seemed to think it could work. What are your thoughts? Who would have run the Empire? Would Vader have placed some Moff or bureaucrat in charge?

[Vyndim]

All these interesting topics and yet I'm always fearful to reply to them because I don't want to come off as a postmonger(because I'm really not)... Anyway, I think if Luke had managed to slay the Emperor he would have taken his place. Like you said, Anakin didn't seem like he was really after his master's position. When Anakin mentioned in ATOC about the dictatorship idea, he said he wouldn't want to be in charge of the dictatorship. Luke would have most likely taken charge of the Empire, and probably keep his father around. Anakin offered the samething to Luke earlier, if this was just a ploy or if he really meant it, I don't know. Or, Anakin and Luke could have ruled the Empire together as father and son. Wouldn't that be touching, father and son ruling the galaxy? :p

[Justin]

Well the part where Luke almost turned to the dark side was when he had attacked and defeated Darth Vader, and was about to kill him...so I think he would have killed Vader, if he had turned to the dark side, and the Emperor would still rule the galaxy, just with Luke as his right-hand-man.

[Nathan Butler]

Wait wait wait.

If Luke had fallen like Anakin and managed to strike down the Emperor, who would the Emperor have preferred?

Neither. He'd be dead.

[Teek]

I meant that in the sense of, if the Emperor lived would he rather of had Vader or Luke as the next in line, and then how does that affect who would have been the better choice for the Empire once the Emperor was out of the picture? If Luke had turned, would he autmatically have become evil? He said he hated the Empire, and fought against it, would giving in to the Dark Side mean he would stay with the Empire?

[QuigonWindu]

Teeky ,no offense, but that seems sort of obvious. Why would he be so passionate about having Luke if he wasnt gonna use him.He'd choose Luke. On second thought maybe I'm wrong. Maybe he believed that Luke turned when he tried to strike the emperor down. So he let Vader and Luke fight. The winner is his apprentice

[Shoma Barad]

"Take your fathers place place at my side!" - Emperor Palpatine, ROTJ

I think that pretty much lets us know what Palpy wanted. He wanted Luke. Vader was more machine than Man. Luke was still (mostly) flesh and blood. Vader was resrticted by injuries, whereas Luke would have been more like Darth Maul for the Emperor. You know, able to hide in places and not get discovered because his metal lungs are too loud. lol

~~Shoma

[Philby]

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hehe I don't think he would have to worry about hiding anywhere. Rather, imagine YOU trying to hide and you hear the metal lungs...

[Jedi_Zachaa]

<span style="color:cc00ff">I think in Heir to the Empire (yes I know this is EU, but whatever) the Emperor was actually trying to get rid of Luke because he was afraid Luke and Anakin would team up against him. Then, when Luke was brought to him anyway, he wanted Anakin and Luke to fight. Whoever won would be his next dude. Talk about EVIL!!!!

To tell the truth, if Luke turned, I doubt Anakin would have survived. When do we ever see Anakin sprouting blue lightning from his fingers? The Emperor probly never taught him cuz then he wouldn't be able to control him.

Then there's the question of whether just because Anakin is "the chosen one", does that means he has to be the Jedi strongest in the Force, ever? It looks like that falls to Palpy, in this instance.

Luke would never have been able to overcome the Emperor without his Father's help. Therefore I think the most likely pairing would have been old Palpy and Luke. Who knows what would have happened then, cuz the old string puller would have won yet AGAIN.</span>

[Rogue_0009]

If luke turned he'd probably kill Vader and Palpy and turn control of the galaxy over to the rebellion

[Winston_Sith]

Originally posted by Rogue_0009@June 12 2002 - 17:35
If luke turned he'd probably kill Vader and Palpy and turn control of the galaxy over to the rebellion
Yep. But not without first having taken control of the Rebellion; and afterwards the New Republic, for himself. And, of course, he would have to find "another" apprentice (guess who?), as per the Two Sith Rule, and everything the Rebellion had worked so hard for would have been virtually destroyed...

[JediBendu]

has anyone even seen ESB?!

'You do not yet realize your importance. You have only begun to discover you power. Join me and I will complete your training. With our combined strength, we can end this destructive conflict and bring order to the galaxy.'

and

'Luke. You can destroy the Emperor. He has foreseen this. It is your destiny. Join me, and we can rule the galaxy as father and son.'


Sounds to me like Vader already had his eye on the top job. They would have ruled pretty much as the Emperor/Vader did - give the military a free hand and just crush the odd wind pipe or two along the way.

[Master Jason]

Why would Vader bring Luke to see the Emperor if he thought that the Emperor wanted him (Vader) dead and Luke as his apprentice. *The dark side is all about power and greed, not self-sacrifice. *Vader was hoping Luke would kill the Emperor, turn to the dark side and become his apprentice. *As for being the chosen one, Anakin brought balance to the force, he didn't necessarily become the most powerful. *What was never shown was how Vader reacted between ANH and ESB when he found out Luke's name. *That could've been a huge turning point in the story.

[darth scourge]

Originally posted by Master Jason@Jun 13 2002, 02:18 PM
Why would Vader bring Luke to see the Emperor if he thought that the Emperor wanted him (Vader) dead and Luke as his apprentice. *The dark side is all about power and greed, not self-sacrifice. *Vader was hoping Luke would kill the Emperor, turn to the dark side and become his apprentice. *As for being the chosen one, Anakin brought balance to the force, he didn't necessarily become the most powerful. *What was never shown was how Vader reacted between ANH and ESB when he found out Luke's name. *That could've been a huge turning point in the story.
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Then why did Vader clash sabers with Luke when he was about to swipe Palpy?If he wanted him to kill him he wouldnt have intervened.

[SenDod2]

I think some backstabbing good for nothing scum took over. Like General Veers.

[Darth Star]

Originally posted by darth scourge@Oct 2 2004, 05:10 AM
Then why did Vader clash sabers with Luke when he was about to swipe Palpy?If he wanted him to kill him he wouldnt have intervened.
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According to the ESB novelization, Vader knew that Luke was not yet fully turned to the dark side and still needed more help from Palpy to turn Luke. He intended to have Luke defeat Palpy later when it was too late to turn back.

[Soontir Solo]

I think Vader wanted to lead the Empire with Luke, with both of them defeating the Emperor. Luke probably would have been given the task of mopping up the Rebel Alliance.

[James]

I agree with Soontir. Luke would have known everything about the Alliance's secrets and would be a great asset to help the Empire destroy the Alliance.

[Obi-Stu]

Originally posted by Darth Star+Oct 6 2004, 11:42 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Darth Star @ Oct 6 2004, 11:42 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-darth scourge@Oct 2 2004, 05:10 AM
Then why did Vader clash sabers with Luke when he was about to swipe Palpy?If he wanted him to kill him he wouldnt have intervened.
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According to the ESB novelization, Vader knew that Luke was not yet fully turned to the dark side and still needed more help from Palpy to turn Luke. He intended to have Luke defeat Palpy later when it was too late to turn back.
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That's right, the ROTJ novels says that Vader knew that Luke wasn't ready...

[Darth Star]

^ ooops!
Yeah, I meant rotj not esb.
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[borgmatrix]

Originally posted by Darth Star@Oct 6 2004, 09:42 PM
According to the ESB novelization, Vader knew that Luke was not yet fully turned to the dark side and still needed more help from Palpy to turn Luke. He intended to have Luke defeat Palpy later when it was too late to turn back.
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Which make sense. But in order to reach that point, at which it would be too late to turn back, a lot more time would be needed. Looking at the prequels, it seems Anakin's fall was gradual, which is realistic. But being turned in a single day? Sorry, but no matter how angry Luke gets, that's not going to happen. Even if he had killed Vader when he had the chance in ROTJ, I don't see him joining the Emperor at that point. Being enraged for a single moment isn't enough to make him radically change his views on what type of government should be in place or to lose all moral sense. I mean, this is the guy who thought he could turn Vader. To say Luke was a good guy would be an understatement. That wouldn't disappear in an instant. It doesn't make sense.

[CorruptedSenator]

After Palpatine was killed, his long time Advisor/Grand Vizer, Sate Pestage took control.