TV: The Sopranos

[Virus]

I was looking around in the Entertainment threads and I couldn't believe my eyes when I didn't see that someone hasn't started a Sopranos thread. If you goto www.imdb.com, their site has a huge Sopranos thread. Always kept up-to-date. So I figured I'd start one here.

I know this is a few weeks old, but what did everyone think of Season 5's finale? This should start the thread rolling.

Also, does anyone own the DVDs? I just bought Season 1 on DVD and its awesome.

[monstorer1518]

My best friend has all of the seasons that have been released so far on DVD. I hear they are put together very well. I only saw the menus, and even they were pretty sweet.

Anyways, the season finale was a cool episode, very quick moving and surprising. I still cant believe Drea De Matteo's character got whacked. But I guess it makes sense, shes leaving for that new Joey show.

Goodbye, HBO. Hello, NBC.

[Mann]

Best. Show. On. TV.

It needs to win best Drama Series, and Drea Dematteo needs to win supporting actress. She was amazing.

[monstorer1518]

Has it won any awards yet?

[Mann]

Originally posted by monstorer1518@Jun 18 2004, 06:17 AM
Has it won any awards yet?
Last year it won:

Leading actor
Leading Actress
Supporting Actor
and Writing

the year before it won:
Leading actor
Leading Actress
Writing

The year Before:
Leading actor

the year before that:
Leading Actress
Writing

[monstorer1518]

Thanks Mann, no pun intended.

Thats total bull though, it definetly deserves to win best dramatic series if it hasnt already.

Dude if youre on now, check out my weezer fourm, i just made it.

[Virus]

Anyone else here have the DVDs and where did you get them? I'm gonna get all of mine off of eBay

[Virus]

when in the hell is Season 5 coming to DVD?

[Brian]

I'm getting caught up with this show. Love it. Anyone else here watch this show?

[Soontir Solo]

I love the Sopranos, can't wait for the 6th season to start this Sunday. I am very interested to see if they are going to bring Furio back to go after Carmelo. Also I would really like to see New Jersey and New York going to full blown war with Johnny Sack getting wacked.

[T-bone]

Yep - I'm all set for this. Up til "24" this was pretty much the only show on TV that I watched. Living in NJ, we see them film a lot all around where I live. Pretty neat. I can spot lots of places where I've been a hundred times. Malls and such... kinda cool.

[Streen]

Originally posted by T'bone@Mar 8 2006, 10:23 PM
Up til "24" this was pretty much the only show on TV that I watched.
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This is a cool show. But it has nothing on 24...... :)

[Brian]

Originally posted by Brian@Mar 8 2006, 08:47 PM
I'm getting caught up with this show. Love it. Anyone else here watch this show?
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I promise I used the "Search" feature and it turned out zilch.

[TuskenRaider1]

Cant wait. Have to say a year and half is TOO LONG TO WAIT!!!

So many loose threads, adn so many possibilities.


Is Phil in charge with Johnie in Jail? What about the Russian? Fall out with Paulie if Chris-ta-pha (in honor of Drea) is bumped up now that his loyalties are set? Will Janice push Bobby B too far or play the lady McBeth role? What about Frankie Vallie and litlle Carmine?

Soo much fun....

(Song stuck in my head for a week and a half , and still ok with that!!)

[T-bone]

Originally posted by Brian+Mar 9 2006, 11:41 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Brian @ Mar 9 2006, 11:41 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-Brian@Mar 8 2006, 08:47 PM
I'm getting caught up with this show. Love it. Anyone else here watch this show?
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I promise I used the "Search" feature and it turned out zilch.
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Did you search topic titles or just post text?

[Soontir Solo]

I would have to say my favorite character is probably Paulie, just because he is so outrageously insane. I won't forget him in the last season (or it might have been the 4th I forget) where he beats Feech's nephew up over who did who's yard, they when with Tony and Feech about it said the guy had attacked him with a chainsaw and he had a right to defend himself.........classic Paulie.

[Darth Octavious]

I watch. I heard that the first episode this season is worth the wait.

[Master Magnus]

The new season starts to air on the 12th in the U.S., right? I guess that Sweden will have to wait at least six months. :( Wonder what will happen to Tony, he wasn't mentioned in the RICO indictment, was he?

[Virus]

March 12th here in the US. I can't wiat for Sunday and even Big Love that shows after it seems interesting. Hopefully this will bring HBO back to being a good channel to watch

[Virus]

WOW! What an opening show for the 6th season!!!

I can't wait to see the ratings on this show too and how Desperate Housewives is going to sink fast since their in the same timeslot

[T-bone]

yea that was good - what the hell did Junior say there??? LOL!! I think he was speaking huttese.

[Soontir Solo]

Awesome! The first episode last night was great. I think it has shown us a few things......number 1. Vito is going to being playing a bigger role this season and we will see some friction between him and the other capo's, number 2. Tony is going to have to make someone else acting boss for awhile, and number 3. it wouldn't surprise me if Tony finally takes out Junior for good.

You can't help but feel sorry for Junior, to see the man he has become now from the 1st season.

Is it bad that I root for the Soprano family against the FBI? lol

[Darth Octavious]

You think that Uncle Jun is NOW going to a retirement or nursing home.

[T-bone]

I heard a rumor that the premiere was actually the final episode (or the next to last one) and the rest of the season is actually in flashback... dunno though. Sounds weird.

[Darth Octavious]

Just imagine if that was last season finale, what a cliffhanger.

[T-bone]

another great one tonight - very intense.

edie falco is really shining this time around.

[DonSwoosh]

Tonight's episode was too tense for words. I needed the next episode like 20 minutes ago.

And here's the worst part; I have a wedding to go to next Sunday. I've got to find a way to skip that wedding because I can't miss this show.

[Master Magnus]

Was there any merit to the rumour that the season opener was the finale? (I'm trying to stay spoiler-free as it'll take a few months before it's aired here in Sweden, but it would be interesting to know...).

Originally posted by DonSwoosh@Mar 20 2006, 06:23 AM
Tonight's episode was too tense for words. I needed the next episode like 20 minutes ago.

And here's the worst part; I have a wedding to go to next Sunday. I've got to find a way to skip that wedding because I can't miss this show.
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VCR? TiVO? DVD-R? :D

[DonSwoosh]

Don't have VCR, TiVO, or DVR. Yes, I know. I'm way behind on the times...

[Darth Octavious]

Awesome episode. I bet it was fun for James to play a non-Soprano kinda of guy, saleman.

[Virus]

wild season so far.

A+

[Soontir Solo]

Very good episode last night

Tony finally wakes up, Paulie and Vito look like they are getting ready to make some serious power moves, and Silvio can't seem to handle the pressure of being Acting Boss.

And who knows what is going on with AJ..........

The scene at the beginning with Paulie and the Columbians was hilarious.

[T-bone]

Vito is a marked (wo)man.

[JSunday]

He sure is. Can't happen soon enough either.

[Soontir Solo]

Yeah, I'd say Vito is going to get whacked this season, probably the last episode. He is making his motives to obvious to all, he wants to be Boss of the family and it is going to get him killed.

I am kind of wondering what is going to happen to AJ more than anything else. This kid is completely screwed up. It looks like there is more a chance than ever that he may follow in his father's foot steps. Wouldn't surprise me if he really does kill Junior sometime this season and Tony covers it up for him.

[T-bone]

Frankly I think AJ is marked too - but just from stupidity... not like he does something really worth it. Maybe he tries to off Junior and gets caught and shot or something.

It would be really neat if Carmella never got to make up with him. She'd be a freaking mess the rest of the season.

[Soontir Solo]

I think if AJ does get killed from something like that Carmella and Tony really would be done, and this time for good. I don't think he is going to be killed mainly because of that.

[T-bone]

well, think about it - we haven't had anything that tragic in a while.
it would really give some weight to the show - carmella loaded with guilt and i bet tony would be blind with rage before he ever breaks down.

it would be a good motivator for him to come forward and bring everyone into witness protection or whatever they're going to do to end the season. :)

[TuskenRaider1]

Nothing tragic in a while? You mean other than T getting shot by Junior, and Chrissy et al still getting over Ade. Diet Tony B getting taken out and Phil still mourning his bro. No nothing at all. Heh.

I dont think Vito gets whacked, unless its to send Phil over the edge. I can see an attempt, but I dont think hell die. Too easy. As for AJ, didnt you love the hint of respect Bobby and Chrissy had for him at least contemplating it? Great.

And what drives you to flatline??? Paulie's *****in. Not sepsis, not the shot, but Paulie rambin on. Too classic.

[T-bone]

Those things are dramatic, not tragic.

Here: http://tbone.newsvine.com/_news/2006/03/28...to-die-and-soon (http://tbone.newsvine.com/_news/2006/03/28/148573-why-aj-soprano-needs-to-die-and-soon)

[Darth Octavious]

Great column T, but lets see in the next couple episodes. Vito is going to get in my opinion by the 8th episode and Finn is going to involved somehow. After watching that episode you see what kind of loyalty Paulie has, its fading.

[T-bone]

i wasn't putting a time constraint on it - just saying whenever...but soon...before carm has the opportunity to make up.

[JSunday]

Bit of shameless name dropping, I know, but my best friend since second grade (nearly 30 years now)...his sister Laura is married to Steve Schirippa. :)

[T-bone]

that's cool man - you must hear good stuff.

[JSunday]

Yeah, actually.

I hear that Steve is actually the guy who pulls strings for the cast P.R. wise....when they make appearances, etc....he makes sure they get paid for it, how much, etc. Art tells me Steve is always scheming ways to get press for himsel and the cast...and always thinkin' $$$ for all of 'em.

Oh, and Chase is a real prick too. :D As big as you've probably heard....(or maybe despite what you've heard).

I've been really tempted to ask him about the plot this season, but I'm still a big fan....so I want to be surprised.

[DonSwoosh]

I'm with T-bone on this one.

If you really wanted to go for the heavy drama, something would happen with AJ and quite soon.

Eventhough the episode on Sunday sort of hinted that the situation with AJ might blow over, I seriously doubt it will. AJ was quite serious about what he said to his comatose father. And his argument with his mother didn't help matters.

For five seasons, they've let AJ stay on the sidelines but slowly building to something with him. Now is the time and his death would do it. It would turn the show dramatically. Tony's shooting was enough but having one of Tony's kids bite it would be huge.

I'm very curious to see where all of this leads. Someone major will get it this season. It just seems ripe for it.

[Soontir Solo]

I liked your article T'Bone

Too me though AJ dying seems almost TOO tragic, too dramatic. Maybe he gets shot or arrested, but I can't see him dying. It would really be a huge shock to me.

Vito on the otherhand is definitely going to get it. He is a marked man in my opinion.

One interesting thing in this new season that I've noticed is that Bobby seems to be emerging more now as a legitimate capo. This past episode especially you see him go to bat against Vito. And to be honest I think he is the only one Tony could really trust.......even more than Silvio and Christopher. It wouldn't surprise me to see Bobby's stock go way up in Tony's eyes by the end of the season.

[T-bone]

Everything you just said is obvious and would pretty much be par for the course with the show. To really turn things on its head though, something like AJ getting himself killed somehow would do it. Vito getting whacked is something we all see coming. No one would care. Killing off AJ like this would be a "24" move and really shake up the show. Everyone would be talking about it for weeks.

[T-bone]

OH - and also...

remember last season when Phil asked Tony if anyone he ever loved had died in front of him in his arms? Tony said no and Phil said - I'll see if I can't make that happen for you...

makes you think...

then again this show is known for starting stuff and letting it trail off into nothing... which is why I'm suggesting this plotline. It would really take the show and make it 3000 times more interesting. Can you imagine that funeral? The investigation? THe phony sympathies and perhaps even the killer showing up at the funeral to show respects? Heavy stuff man... I'd love to write some of it!

[Soontir Solo]

I agree, it would make things very interesting. I'd like to see it play out the way you say it should, but I just don't see the writers going that far. I wish they would, I just doubt that will.

[Darth Octavious]

Originally posted by DonSwoosh@Mar 28 2006, 08:59 PM
For five seasons, they've let AJ stay on the sidelines but slowly building to something with him. Now is the time and his death would do it. It would turn the show dramatically. Tony's shooting was enough but having one of Tony's kids bite it would be huge.
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Ala Godfather 3. When Mary gets shot at the end.

[Virus]

I agree that AJ will have a much bigger and important role this season but as for him dying....I say he has a 50-50 chance of that happening. Still too early to tell

[Soontir Solo]

Hopefully this week we will get some insights into AJ's future. With Tony having woke up and giving orders in the next episode maybe AJ will cool down some. I wonder what Tony will say about Junior shooting him. I have a feeling he won't be all that mad at Junior, but he will definitely put him in a nursing home now.

[Darth Octavious]

You think?!

[T-bone]

Well, I have to admit - that was one of the funnier episodes!

[Soontir Solo]

Yeah, tonight's was good. Loved the scene with Bobby shooting the guy in the ass for 7 grand, awesome. And then Paulie was great as always. This episode in particular seemed to focus on Paulie. You can't help but feel sorry for the guy, yet at the same time feel anger towards him. He really is a complete psychopath in my opinion.

[Virus]

different but great episode

[Darth Octavious]

Next weeks looks alot better! Not to say the others one haven't.

[JSunday]

It was my least favorite episode of the three new ones so far overall. Not bad, but it didn't flow well...and Silvio was forgotten about til the end....(after having an attack). Had some good moments, but overall the weaker of the three....

[Darth Octavious]

When Tony got out of the hospital feeling good about life and saying that he lucky and everyday was gift. I couldn't stop thinking about the possibilty that one day something will happen to his family and he will lose it. Ala Godfather 3.

[T-bone]

i don't think he had a heart attack - it was asthma related, i thought.

[Darth Octavious]

No what I meant is, the scene after the opera when Mary gets accidentally shot. And the Pacino cries.

[T-bone]

i was talking to Jsunday there.
i understand what you mean.

[Darth Octavious]

Oops, T.

[Soontir Solo]

Kind of disappointed that AJ wasn't in this episode at all. You'd think they would want the audience to see his reaction to Tony being out of the coma and walking around and stuff.

[JSunday]

Originally posted by T'bone@Apr 3 2006, 06:05 PM
i don't think he had a heart attack - it was asthma related, i thought.
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That's what I meant....asthma attack, not heart attack.

[JSunday]

Originally posted by Soontir Solo@Apr 3 2006, 09:38 PM
Kind of disappointed that AJ wasn't in this episode at all. You'd think they would want the audience to see his reaction to Tony being out of the coma and walking around and stuff.
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Yeah, that's kinda what I mean about the episode feeling a bit herky and disjointed. Had some obvious omissions to me. But nothing bad....just not as good. Every season has 'em. :)

I wondered, too, how this would change Tony's life....or how it might down the road. I think the Godfather III analogy just might be what pans out.....he slowly tries to change things and legitimize, just as the @#!$ is hitting the fan the hardest and loses everything....

[Darth Octavious]

Originally posted by JSunday@Apr 4 2006, 06:01 AM
...I think the Godfather III analogy just might be what pans out...he slowly tries to change things and legitimize, just as the @#!$ is hitting the fan the hardest and loses everything....
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Remember I call it. :bye:

[Soontir Solo]

Anyone know where I can get the "Got yourself a gun" theme song to use for cell phone ringtone?

[Darth Octavious]

I have the mp3.

[Soontir Solo]

Interesting episode last night. Seeing Vito in the gay bar was hilarious. Anyone agree with me that he isn't dead? I think if he killed himself they would have shown it personally.

Johnny Sack crying...........I wouldn't have thought that would happen. And then Phil coming out and telling everyone how his respect for John went down afterwards, wouldnt surprise me to see Phil make a move to break away from Johnny for good now.

And then you have Tony beating up his bodyguard (very impressive in his condition) to show everyone that he is still the biggest, baddest mofo around. That should put Paulie, Chris, and the others back in line I'd say.

[T-bone]

The Vito thing is hilarious - and they're not done with him yet.

I find it troubling that Tony's taking mob advice from Melfi. I never did like her.

Anyhow - not the best episode but seeing Vito in that outfit dancing was worth the wait - hilarious!!!

[Soontir Solo]

Tony has been taking her advice for years, though not always immediately when she suggests it. In my opinion she, not Silvio, is the real consigliere of teh Soprano family. Tony trusts her probably more so than even Carmela.

I've always thought the writers should have kept Melfi as a more central character. The first and second season she was really important, after that though she kind of fell into the background of the show, getting just a few minutes of time each episode, if that.

[T-bone]

i meant specific mob advice.

and personally if she was never in another episode it wouldn't bother me.

she's annoying as hell - and that VOICE...ugh.

[Virus]

^but those legs..... WOW!

[JSunday]

I think their relationship is what the show is built on, honestly. Because what The Sopranos does that no mob movie or tv show's ever done is show that vulnerability....that normalcy. (Perhaps A Bronx Tale comes the closest). There's a reason we both love and despise, fear and respect Tony so much....that vulnerability. He's been depicted like no other mob figure ever....has panic attacks, ran scared of his mama, etc. That comes out best in therapy where we don't always have to spend time seeing it to believe it.

The mere fact that a mob don is going to therapy is priceless.....and it goes a long way towards making Tony endearing and very human.

[Soontir Solo]

^ I agree, the therapy twist really does alot for the show. Tony would be like any other Don we've seen in the past if it wasn't for the therapy twist with the panic attacks and stuff.

But Melfi's voice is annoying, I agree with you there T'bone


Any thoughts on what is going to happen with the Vito thing? We all know he isn't dead yet, so something big is being planned with him.

[Darth Octavious]

Yeah, Tony had to put everyone back to place by beating his bodyguard a**!

[BomarrPunk]

Originally posted by Soontir Solo@Apr 11 2006, 06:26 PM

Any thoughts on what is going to happen with the Vito thing? We all know he isn't dead yet, so something big is being planned with him.
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I didnt even think that Vito was going to kill himself. He just had the gun to protect himself if someone tried to take him out. Vito is on the run now for sure. And something still has to happen with him and Meadow's man-boy, that never got resolved.

[T-bone]

yea that's what i was thinking - not suicidal, waiting to be found.

[JSunday]

I'm wondering when Tony is going to kick the crap outta the bartender at the Bada Bing. He seems to do that once a season for no good reason. LOL. :) The guy doesn't do ANYTHING and T goes off on him.....It's pretty hilarious cuz you know it's coming.

[Soontir Solo]

Didn't he quit after getting beat up the last time?

[Darth Octavious]

Vito is done with Meadow's man-boy, why, whats the point?

[T-bone]

Heh - I was laughing out loud when Meadow's beau outted Vito and all their reactions.

[Soontir Solo]

Yeah that was funny, Paulie especially. This week's episode was kind of so so for me. Nothing really happened it seemed like. We just have Vito off somewhere in New Hampshire and everyone back in Jersey wanting him dead but never any action. And I think Finn is going to break up with Meadow. I think he is finally sick and tired of her hypocrisy. She goes on and on about all this injustice in the world yet gets mad when people say a bad thing at all about Tony and the "family."

[T-bone]

She's damn annoying but she always has been. She's the picture perfect college liberal who'll probably change a little when she sees the bad treatment she'll get at that new job because of who she is.

As for Vito - the bastiches who make that show actually have me feeling sorry for the bum. I always get all beat up when there are kids involved and when he was saying goodbye to them as they slept, that was sad.

They're gonna unfortunatly find him and kill him - either tony's crew or phil... i'm thinking phil's guys.

and how about artie buco getting in trouble again and punched in the face in that promo for next week!! heh. looks like he's getting set up by that new lady on the block. tony might have to take her out.

and poor mayor of munchkinland - frankie valle is too cool to whack but hey, i don't write em. i just hope when they kill him he goes...

WHYYYYY WHAI-I-I-I-Iiiiiiiiiiii in that high falsetto voice...

[TuskenRaider1]

See, I agree that Phil gets to him first, but what do you want to bet he gets the crap beaten out of him and not killed. Phil is into family, and his cuz keeps saying what a good dad he is. Add in teh pass it seems tony may give him. Who knows.

Am I the only one who thought Corky (the drug guy that chris met in the car in the rain re: the hit on Rusty) was wired or working for the federales? "Who?" Why does he have to know whos getting hit??? Bad joss I feel.

[Soontir Solo]

I don't think Phil is going to have Vito killed. Number 1 it would be reckless of him unless it was a joint venture between Tony and Phil. Phil taking unilateral action against a Jersey capo without Tony would be an insult to Tony I think. Phil seems to be too smart to go there for me. He seems much smarter and level headed than Johnny Sack.

Wouldn't surprise me if the drug guy was working for the feds. He did seem to be asking alot of questions.

[Darth Octavious]

The show was not bad, laugh my butt off. I think its going to Phil/Johnny Sack/NY crew that going to wack Vito.

[Soontir Solo]

I think Phil is going to make a break with Johnny Sack and declare himself the Boss, rather than just the Acting Boss. Phil coming out like that after seeing Johnny cry, saying he lost respect for Johnny and stuff, I think that is a sign that Phil is going to make a move.


I wish we could see an interaction between Tony and Junior. I want to see them meet again, just to see what would happen, how Tony would react to seeing Junior. Hopefully we will before the season is over.

[Soontir Solo]

Nothing much happening in this week's episode, I think this was the worst episode of this season so far, and that isn't to say it was bad really, just nothing really happening. Nothing with Vito, or AJ, or really anything.

King of interesting though that Tony has recommended Artie see a psychiatrist though. Would be kind of cool to see Artie with Dr. Melfi as well.

[T-bone]

I liked it - that whole thing with Ben Kingsley was great.

[TuskenRaider1]

Honestly, the fact that Vinne Delpino (Im sorry, but even if they call him Bennie, hes still the little putz in Doogie Houser MD) got his ass kicked by ARTIE-FRICKIN-BUCCO means that he now officially has to go. EVERYONE gets to beat on Artie. I honestly thought AJ would kick his ass when they were all living at casa de bachelor pad after Carm kicked em out. But to get beat down by Artie on your front porch. Wow. Sad man, just sad. THat should be a running joke every episode hes in from now on.

"This comin from da guy who got beat down by Artie-frikin-Bucco, ey! oh!"

[T-bone]

True - I didn't see that coming, actually. I thought Artie was going to get beat down and end up in the hospital again, then Tony would yell at him, etc.

I think the real impetus behind all this though, is something to do with Chris leaving or giving the appearance that he's trying to get out of the biz sort of like that dude in the first show of the season - he's just not letting on to Tony...but I think Tony is figuring it out...

When Chris was away, all this went down and if he was there it might not have happened. So Tony's thinking now - hey, if this guy gets a film deal he might run on me...

but who knows.

[Darth Octavious]

Next episode seems to be good, Sins of the Father, Sins of the Son. AJ to the dark side?

[Soontir Solo]

I don't think Chris is really trying to get out of the business, simply trying to broaden the horizons. I he wants to do some things that he likes, while also remaining loyal to Tony and being a good earner. He is has made too many sacrifices and is too close to Tony to honestly consider trying to get out.

[Virus]

Originally posted by Darth Octavious@Apr 25 2006, 03:15 PM
Next episode seems to be good, Sins of the Father, Sins of the Son. AJ to the dark side?
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yea i liked the preview. We need to see more of AJ

[Soontir Solo]

I've watched the entire 1st season again (own it on DVD) in the past 2 days. I think it is my favorite season of them all.

[Virus]

I prefer season 2 and 5

[Soontir Solo]

Well last nights episode was interesting. The Tony-AJ scene after AJ was arrested was a great scene. Seeing Tony and AJ like that was pretty powerful. The Vito stuff was interesting. And with Phil really sticking his nose into the situation it makes things very interesting.

The preview for next week's episode looked good. Looks like Paulie and Bobby get into it and one of them gets shot, probably Bobby by what the preview looked like.

[Virus]

awesome episode. Makes me think that Vito might get away without dying, but I think his fate is coming soon. Either by the hands of someone he pisses off in the little town he is at or someone in his gang will find out where he is. I really have no idea how they will know what town we went to though.

[T-bone]

if vito was going to "get away" they would have ended his arc by now and you wouldn't see him anymore.

they keep talking about him and all that so he's done.
he'll probably sneak home for something and get whacked - maybe he'll bring his beau with him - hehee...

[Soontir Solo]

Yeah, he will make some kind of mistake like telling his wife where he is or something and then Tony (or Phil) will send someone to take care of him. I agree that if he was going to survive they would have left him alone by now.

[Darth Octavious]

Originally posted by Virus
awesome episode. Makes me think that Vito might get away without dying, but I think his fate is coming soon. Either by the hands of someone he pisses off in the little town he is at or someone in his gang will find out where he is. I really have no idea how they will know what town we went to though.
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At the start, I felt bad for him, calling his wife and kid. But the true Italian came out of me by the end of the show; Vito should be dead. How can walk way from his kids? Not right.

[Darth Octavious]

The Tony/AJ plot. Awesome and powerful!

[Soontir Solo]

^agreed

Hopefully they will stay with this and won't forgot this. I think there is alot of potential here with those two.

I really want to see an encounter with Tony and Junior. I feel sorry for the old man. Tony has to know Junior didn't think he was shooting him.

[Darth Octavious]

Doesn't matter.

[Virus]

another good episode. Only 3 more left this year

[Soontir Solo]

Hard to believe we only have 3 left for the season. It doesn't seem like it has been that long since the season started.

The preview for next weeks episode looked pretty good.

[Virus]

The last 2 or 3 episodes of the Sopranos are always amazing. I can't wait to see what happens to Vito and how they will end this season to make everyone die to see how the final 8 episodes will go.

[T-bone]

Anyone else thinking Christopher's kid isn't going to see the light of day?

[Virus]

I think he will. With Adrianna and this new girl both getting whacked would be too similar of a story.

[T-bone]

I love you, Johnnycakes.

[Brian]

Was Sunday's episode the last one of this season?

[Darth Octavious]

^No, and back to Johnnycakes. Those two actors, you have to give them credit for what they are doing.

[T-bone]

I'd kiss some dude for 3 seconds to get a cool million.

[T-bone]

Adios Vincent!

and how about Sil jumping on that dude's back.
hilarious!

[Virus]

^great scene

[Tovor]

Originally posted by T'bone@May 19 2006, 08:38 PM
I'd kiss some dude for 3 seconds to get a cool million.
Quoted post

As if you didn't know that I'm a millionaire...you had your chance when we met in Indy. ;)

[Virus]

The actor who played vito on the Sopranos was on Howard Stern today and he said that the last 8 episodes will focus mainly on the family characters.

[DblDwn]

I'm waiting for the all out New York vs. New Jersey war to break out. It's coming. You can just see the tenson building between Tony and Phil. The final 8 episodes next year are going to be very intense.

With that in mind what does everyone think will happen to the main characters in the end? Who gets whacked? Who goes to prison? Who lives happily ever after or as happily as one can live within the confines of the show?

[T-bone]

I still want AJ to be gone somehow. Gives weight to the show. They should have ended this season with that. (there's still one more show but i douby they'll kill him off). People would have been freaking out in the gap between episodes.

Johnny Sack is a dead man.

[DblDwn]

I agree about Johnny Sack. I read yesterday that Vince Curatola, who plays Johnny Sack, reached an agreement for the final 8 episodes. With the character in prison for 15 years there wouldn't really be that much of a need to include him in the show unless he was going to get whacked.

Interesting to see if they end up having the cancer do in Paulie or if he will successfully beat it through chemo and then either get whacked or live on after the show is over.

[Soontir Solo]

Pretty good season finale I guess. I liked the twist with Christopher getting with the real estate agent and getting hooked on drugs once again, should make things interesting for the final 8 episodes. I was hoping for a Tony-Junior meeting of some sorts, not just a Junior-Bobby meeting but hopefully we will next year.

Overall this season didn't seem to live up to the past seasons. It peaked at the first episode. After that, while the episodes weren't bad, they just didn't keep the pace going. It didn't seem like the rest of the episodes had much of a point except eventually having Vito whacked.

But overall it was still a decent season compared to most shows. Now I'll watch the next season of Deadwood.

[T-bone]

Can't say the finale thrilled me.

[Virus]

The entire time I was waiting for Chistopher to get hit but I then remembered that CNN article about him and Johnny Sacks signing for the last 8 episodes. It was just an average finale but the last 8 have huge potential

[T-bone]

Technically, this whole season had huge potential. I'm starting to lose my patience with the show. I still love it but you know... ugh.

and now we wait again...

[Virus]

This was still a great season. But my fav seasons are still 2 and 5. I think I need to watch the first again

[DblDwn]

It was a bit of a let down.

I got excited halfway through when Phil's boys were telling him to whack someone in Jersey to send a message to Tony. Anticipating a shocker to end this years run I looked at my girl and said it's either going be Christopher, Paulie or Sil. Then I remembered that Imperioli reupped for next year so I was waiting for either Paulie or Sil to get whacked. But nothing happened. I wanted Tony to tell Carm about Adriana and then see the drama of her reaction. I wanted AJ to roll up like a man and try to be tough, to emulate his old man, and get his whiny @$$ kicked by the punks outside. I wanted a surprise. I wanted something dramatic. All I got was Christopher smoking crack in a Honda with Nurse Hathaway and AJ trading his mountain bike for some peace and quiet. WTF?????????

Then, to hurl insult and injury into the fan without even a stink of $hit, Tony goes to see Phil and tells him to appreciate life and to focus on his kids and his grandkids. I understand that Tony had an epiphany in the coma and he has this newfound appreciation for life but when did he turn into Gandhi the Hallmark Card?

Now the wait until January begins....................

[JSunday]

At the same time I think we've come to have this expectation that someone HAS to die.....at the end of the Sopranos. While it wasn't what I expected, I'm glad that it ended on a happy note. Otherwise we all sit around waiting for the gratuitous "whack" at the end...and I'm not so certain it needs to be that way IMO.

[T-bone]

Well I don't mind actually ENDING on a happy note - the little ending was quite nice, but at least do something in the meantime.

[DblDwn]

I agree. The ending was nice but, like T said, I wanted some meat in the middle.

Keep in mind that this wasn't a season finale. The final 8 epsiodes next year are still part of the 6th season. With that in mind it makes sense for there to be a nonchalant ending to the episode because it is only 60% of the way through the season. I just expected something more because of the 6 month wait for the next episode. I expected some kind of cliffhanger, no matter how grand of a scale it was on, to build additional anticipation going into January. That is all.

[Virus]

They probably wont release the DVD for the last 12 episodes that we just saw before the end of the year. They will most likely have a 5 or 6 DVD set for the entire Season 6 sometime in 2008 (tear). The Sopranos are best viewed by watching a few episodes at a time. I read a great article on MSNBC that stated that the season finale was great because it set up a lot new paths for the characters. I just found it: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13089846/

[Master Magnus]

^I'm staying spoiler-free as the latest season won't be aired until a few months' time here in Sweden, but gathering from that article, it seems to have been quite a disappointment. I think personally that the show started to go downhill during the fourth season.

[Darth Octavious]

Ending was okay, season was alright. I hope the last episodes were going to be like the first episode. Not one of the best seasons, kinda dull.

[Virus]

Think about this for all of the cry babies out there who think the last episode ended on such a dull note......what if Chase split this season up into 10 and 10 episodes rather than 12 and 8? This would have left us dying to know what happens to Vito upon his return to New Jersey? They would have even changed it so that him being wacked was the end of this half of the season.

Anyway, I figured I would mention that I thought that the episode was great and leaves plenty of room for an amazing 8 episodes. Bring it on!

[Darth Octavious]

What's going to happen to Vito? Come on, everybody knows that Vito's secret lifestyle was going to get him whacked. No surprised there!

[Count Dookie]

At the risk of being a cry baby....this last season was such a let down. I was hoping for more wacking and breaking of legs so to say.

I just hope the last 8 episodes don't let us down. I hate to see such a great franchise go down in flames (no pun intended "Vito") like it seems to be doing.

[Soontir Solo]

I fully expect the last 8 episodes to live up to our expectations of them.

[Master Magnus]

Finally!!! The Swedish Public service channel 2 (which is the only Swedish broadcaster who has bought the series) starts to air season six tonight! However, I noticed now that there seems to be a loose wire or something in my TV antenna cable which is connected to the cable-TV socket (as the picture gets better when moving the contact) so the picture looks like crap (and I can't find my spare). Bummer. Why on this evening?:mad:

[Darth Octavious]

Take it in stride.

[T-bone]

They were filming at the Park West Diner which is all of about 5 minutes from me (maybe less - I could walk it) a few weeks ago. Can't wait to see that scene. It's on the highway - Rt 46 in my town and I live right near the highway. We eat there quite often, been going there since I was a kid when it was called the Golden Star diner.

So there's your little bit of NJ trivia for the day.

[Virus]

I saw that the DVD is coming out this month. kinda lame cause I want the entire 6th season in one package.

[Darth Octavious]

Season 6 was almost lame itself.

[Virus]

Season 6 was almost lame itself.

How so? I liked it but its still not as good as season 2

[Master Magnus]

How so? I liked it but its still not as good as season 2
The episodes which followed Tony's shooting were excruiatingly boring and tedious but it has improved (I say "has improved" as the Swedish public service, which is airing The Sopranos, has a few episodes left of the first half of the sixth season. The next episode, the tenth out of twelve, starts in fifteen minutes.).

[DblDwn]

Bump

Set to return for the final 9 episodes on April 8th.

[Virus]

only a few more weeks!

[Darth Octavious]

Read an article that one of the reporter was lucky enough to see the first 2 episodes and he said big things and a big surprise about a main character. He didn't say the name of the character but this character doesn't stay for long.

[TAGLINE]

He didn't say the name of the character but this character doesn't stay for long.

Well, given the fact that most of the characters won't last long by the end...this isn't a big surprise.

[Virus]

Well, given the fact that most of the characters won't last long by the end...this isn't a big surprise.

not true. You never know who will live or die.....might only be one or two main characters that die

[TAGLINE]

not true. You never know who will live or die.....might only be one or two main characters that die

Its the final season...and these guys must pay for their sins...not to mention how Tony is set up for some kind of ultimate Shakespearian tragedy. What usually happens in tragedies? most of the characters die.

The body count is likely to go up in the final 9. And its not like its a secret. The coverage on the way this show offs people and that their is an anticipation that it WILL off alot of people has always been there.

[Virus]

I feel like people will hate this season if Tony doesn't die. I dont think he has to (ala Goodfellas)

[TAGLINE]

I feel like people will hate this season if Tony doesn't die. I dont think he has to (ala Goodfellas)

Goodfellas is not The Sopranos at all. Not even in the slightest, minus the fact that alot of the cast is there.

[Darth Octavious]

I feel like people will hate this season if Tony doesn't die. I dont think he has to (ala Goodfellas)
Goodfellas is not The Sopranos at all. Not even in the slightest, minus the fact that alot of the cast is there.

Virus, what character will Tony be? Tagline: Paulie Walnuts.

There is going to be a lot of heat between Tony and Christopher.

Any bets on who is the first to be whacked?

[DblDwn]

You have to figure that at least two of the big four (Tony, Silvio, Paulie and Christopher) aren't going to live through the finale. Now it's just a matter of figuring out which ones. Paulie is a safe bet to get whacked. If they have Sil die by way of the heart attack scenario they created in the first half of the season then that, to me, will be a bit of a let down. My girlfriend thinks Christopher will die but I'm not so sure. As for Tony, it's hit and miss. Does he get whacked? Does he simply retire and move himself and Carm away from Jersey? Does the FBI finally get him and he goes to prison? I could see a scenario where Tony, one way or the other, is removed (either voluntarily or involuntarily) from the top and Christopher is left to lead the family. The only reason I say that is because Chris has always been portrayed as being bread for succession to Tony's throne.

Does anyone see a Godfather 3 scenario where someone is trying to whack Tony and they end up killing someone close to him by accident? Carm? Meadow? AJ? That would be a way to catch people off guard because I doubt many people are expecting Carmela to end up dead.

Just a few ideas but nothing really stands out as definite to me.

[Darth Octavious]

My thoughts too. Yes a Godfather 3 scenario, won't be any females because that's too Godfatherish, probably AJ. Christopher will never get the throne; 2 things, one he will screw it up, or two, will get whacked soon.

Don't forget about Uncle Jun passing away. Johnny Sack is out as NY boss, Tony will mow down Phil's crew and probably is crazy enough to order the hit on AJ.

Call me crazy, that just a few things in my head.

[kopernikuz]

Tony will mow down Phil's crew and probably is crazy enough to order the hit on AJ.
Whoa... you think Tony is going to whack his own kid?

[DblDwn]

But Uncle Jun is just going to die in the "home." He not going to get whacked because he isn't a threat to anyone in the "home."

Tony ordering a hit on AJ? I don't see that coming. One thing that every mob movie/show/documentary/etc has ever shared is that mob guys are dedicated to their own children 110%. He's not going to have AJ whacked.

[Darth Octavious]

Don't forget about Uncle Jun passing away.

...Tony will mow down Phil's crew and probably is crazy enough to order the hit on AJ.
Blame it on work.

What I meant to say is that Phil is crazy enough to revenge on Tony and have AJ whacked. And yes Uncle Jun is going to die in bed or fall off a chair like at the end of Godfather 3.

[DblDwn]

Oh Phil. Well then that is entirely possible.

[TAGLINE]

I think AJ is actually going to survive this. I think the show is going to come full circle, with AJ being left with a dead father and the control of the family, potentially starting a younger, more Christopher-like family so he can surround himself with the people he trusts.

Tony is going to either get randomly wacked by someone, or Carmela or Dr. Melfi is gonna do it. I can't see him dying any other way then at the hands of one of the women, or some random return of a begrudged character.

Christopher has to pay for Adriana. He's dead.

[Darth Octavious]

I will agree Christopher's death, payback and AJ taking over the family ala The Godfather. But Tony getting wacked by Melfi? That will NEVER happen. I have doubts about Carmela but stranger things have happen to Tony; like Uncle Jun, but once again, Carmela; doubt it.

[TAGLINE]

Melfi and Tony's relationship has been so strange that the show could put him in a position to have her kill him in self defense in some way. I mean, think of the irony...he goes to her to find some way to improve his life and she ending up being the one that kills him? It would round off the show so much...that no matter how much help Tony has he's rotten to the core.

Carmela is a prime candidate because the two have never been shy of physical altercations (Whitecaps).

[Darth Octavious]

The realtionship is strange but it not her to kill somebody no matter who it is. However, maybe her ex-husband or somebody that she is related to.

[TAGLINE]

The Sopranos recap.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tz_Ees_-kE4

[DblDwn]

Good episode tonight. Now that he's finally "popped his cherry" after all this time, I'm wondering if Tony is going to start grooming Bobby to take over.

[kopernikuz]

Well, on the boat I'd say that was definitely Tony's thought. After what happened, I'm not so sure. And Bobby ain't the same since... that's going to play heavily. Not to mention he botched it...

[DblDwn]

Anyone have any ideas on who gets whacked in the next week or two?

[Tovor]

I'm thinking Bobby is going to get busted for murder. I have no doubt about it. Remember when he and Tony were in the boat talking, and Bobby mentioned being being glad he'd never done a hit, because he was concerned about modern technology and DNA evidence? Later when he did the hit, the victim reached out and tore off the front of Bobby's shirt. Did anyone wonder if he made sure not to leave the fabric behind when he left? He dropped the gun right after, but I'm thinking that that torn fabric will have so much DNA strands on it from him, that it will lead the police back to him, and to Tony. That's what I'm thinking is going to happen.



EDIT: Is that what you referred to, Kope?

[kopernikuz]

Yup... and that's why he won't be taking over anytime soon :)

[TAGLINE]

Good episode tonight. Now that he's finally "popped his cherry" after all this time, I'm wondering if Tony is going to start grooming Bobby to take over.

Bobby? No way. He knows better.

[DblDwn]

Who knows better? Tony? Or Bobby? A couple of us got the impression that Tony was thinking about grooming Bobby. Of course all that is different now that Bobby is going to have the Mounties banging down his door.

[T-bone]

Bobby is dead, dead, dead. But it won't be Mounties.

[T-bone]

And they better start going somewhere with this sh*t. :)

[TAGLINE]

Who knows better? Tony? Or Bobby? A couple of us got the impression that Tony was thinking about grooming Bobby. Of course all that is different now that Bobby is going to have the Mounties banging down his door.

Tony would not let a guy who has never whacked a guy to take over, and he knows that Bobby doesn't have the spine to be the boss. Christopher or AJ are more likely to take over.

[DblDwn]

Bobby is dead, dead, dead. But it won't be Mounties.

I agree. I wonder if Tony will guilt Janice into killing Bobby since she so conveniently did Tony's dirty work and killed Richie way back when. Come to think of it, it's quite sad that Janice has as many mob kills as Bobby and did hers without f-ing it up.

Maybe Janice should be the next boss. That way Tony can keep it in the family. :)

[DblDwn]

and he knows that Bobby doesn't have the spine to be the boss. Christopher or AJ are more likely to take over.

Hold on. Back up a tick would ya. Now, suddenly, AJ has a spine? I'll grant you that Bobby mucked up the hit in Quebec but at least he got the kill. AJ completely folded and *****ed out when he went to whack Uncle Jun last fall.

AJ couldn't even keep his job at friggin Blockbuster yet somehow he's going to, in 8 episodes, display this life change that makes him the HBO equivilant of Michael Corleone? I don't buy it. If AJ is anyone from The Godfather he's Fredo. Meadow has a better chance of becoming the next Don than AJ.

[DblDwn]

Does anyone think, at all in some sheer and completely off the wall way, that Adriana comes back before the show is over? The only reason I ask is that they never showed her actually being shot. Could Sil have had a change of heart at the last moment? For the record, I'm of the mindset that she's as whacked as Mel Greene but I'm just trying to move along the discussion in a more speculatory way.

[T-bone]

No she's dead and done... but they're gonna find out what happened to her. Carmella or someone.

[TAGLINE]

Hold on. Back up a tick would ya. Now, suddenly, AJ has a spine? I'll grant you that Bobby mucked up the hit in Quebec but at least he got the kill. AJ completely folded and *****ed out when he went to whack Uncle Jun last fall.

AJ couldn't even keep his job at friggin Blockbuster yet somehow he's going to, in 8 episodes, display this life change that makes him the HBO equivilant of Michael Corleone? I don't buy it. If AJ is anyone from The Godfather he's Fredo. Meadow has a better chance of becoming the next Don than AJ.

Yeah, excet that when you look at the kind of life that Tony had before he ws boss, it wasn't that far from AJ's. At the attention that Tony has given him is way more than one would expect for a guy he deemed "hopeless". Also, his attemptive murder of Junior, while a failure, showed that AJ was loyal to Tony. Tony was very much aware of that loyalty, where Bobby was the quiet do nothing guy who he had to really befriend because he was married to his sister.

Look no more to The Godfather for reference. Bobby might as well be Carlo, the outsider that the family has to like because he was married to Connie. But Sonny and Michael never trusted Carlo with anythign important, because they take family first. Bobby is too outside the circle, and there was never ANY indication that Bobby was ever being groomed. That said, Christopher is pissing off Tony right now, but he has always been groomed for the take over.

[Darth Octavious]

Bobby had the drunken balls to fight the boss. Bobby is going to maybe walk out, ask to leave the family. He never wanted kill somebody, just at the tears when he shot the guy and when he came back home and hugged his 3 year old daughter. He's having second thoughts.

I don't know if he will be killed, that will be crappy for Tony and I think the audience will never forgive him. I agree with Tovor that the DNA thing might be a way out for Bobby to testify or by thrown into jail.

AJ, take over. Boy needs to show a lot. Tony didn't take over when his Dad passed. The family wouldn't like it. Christopher is a better choice. Maybe a dark horse pic?

[Darth Octavious]

Bobby had the drunken balls to fight the boss. Bobby is going to maybe walk out, ask to leave the family. He never wanted kill somebody, just at the tears when he shot the guy and when he came back home and hugged his 3 year old daughter. He's having second thoughts.

I don't know if he will be killed, that will be crappy for Tony and I think the audience will never forgive him. I agree with Tovor that the DNA thing might be a way out for Bobby to testify or by thrown into jail.

AJ, take over. Boy needs to show a lot. Tony didn't take over when his Dad passed. The family wouldn't like it. Christopher is a better choice. Maybe a dark horse pic?

[DblDwn]

Bobby might as well be Carlo, the outsider that the family has to like because he was married to Connie.

So now Bobby is beating Janice? :nahnah:

I'm going to continue to disagree regarding AJ and leave it at that. I'm already seeking therapy based on our banter in the Lost thread. :)

[TAGLINE]

So now Bobby is beating Janice? :nahnah:



You know Carlo was ostracized from the family before he started beating Connie. He was only let in when Michael was going to kill him unsuspectingly.

[Darth Octavious]

Tony's demise. Tony will go down for murder and it will be from this episode. He was pissed at Bobby and told Bobby to do it hit. Now Bobby, all this time, collecting money, a good earner, never whack anybody. He was terrifed and sad that he had to do it. Remember Bobby's fear about DNA evidence and then got blood all over, and his shirt was ripped.

But what did Janice say in the beginning to Bobby yelling at him... get rid of the special bullets, thats how Tony got picked up. Of course Bobby never heard that, use them for the hit and Tony will be picked for murder. The Canadians might help themselves for a plea bargain.

The symbolism that Bobby's first hit, white shoes in the washing machine got blood on them.

[kopernikuz]

I'm confused about your scenario... Tony can't be implicated because of bullets used in Bobby's gun... the bullets aren't specific to Tony, they're just hollow points anyone could use and in fact lots of underworld types would... they were significant in the charges being levelled against Tony, but not because they were special to him, but because of their legality issues.

Tony got picked up because the gun and ammo was illegal and the kid fingered Tony... he witnessed Tony drop it. No one can connect the Canadian hit to Tony... except through Bobby and the DNA evidence on Bobby's ripped shirt. Or the Canadians giving him up, but that would implicate them as well, so it's not likely.

Bobby will go down for it, or he will turn states on Tony, risking his own neck to avoid jail time... but either way Bobby and Tony probably will both die this season.

[DblDwn]

It would be ironic, Tony makes Bobby do the hit, out of spite from the night before, and that leads to Tony's downfall. Just goes to show you how far pride gets you.

[Darth Octavious]

Tony will get it in the end. Canadians can be involved and Bobby is a big part of this story.

[DblDwn]

Too bad about Johnny Sack. He was a good character and I like the guy that played the part.

Judging by Phil's declaration at the end we're about to get that all out mob war that we've, at least that I've, been waiting for.

[T-bone]

how funny was that scene with phil and the kids.

[Darth Octavious]

Christopher made his movie, now maybe he go back earning. Johnny Sack didn't have a month. AJ, clueless and whipped.

[DblDwn]

Intersting episode. Paulie seems paranoid that T is going to whack him. Even before they got on the boat I was having flashes of Pussy (I can say that right?). Even more interesting that Tony was thinking about doing it too.

You can tell that Tony just wants out. He's tired and doesn't want to be doing this in 20 years. He'd never be a rat so the question is whether he gets out clean with Carm or gets whacked because he wants out. Only time will tell.

[TAGLINE]

Tony was thinking of killing Paulie the whole episode. I dunno if Tony wants out of that lifestyle, but you know he wants all the business with Phil to be done.

[T-bone]

i love how junior kicked his slipper off.

[DblDwn]

i love how junior kicked his slipper off.

That was hilarious.

On that note I wonder if we are now done with Junior on the show? It just seemed like the final image of him in the wheelchair with the cat, alone with his fading thoughts, was showing us that was his ultimate fate. It was very Godfather III.

[Darth Octavious]

Thought of the same thing about Uncle Jun.

The shooting reminded me of Paul Castellano and his death in front of a restaurant.

If Tony wants out, he will not be whacked. The only way I see that happening if Phil wants revenge, still for his cousin.

[DblDwn]

It was his brother.

A great friend of mine brought up an equally great point today. It's Tony Soprano. If he up and decides one day that he wants out, there's no way they let him go. Once you're in, you're in for life. You don't rise up to be the boss and then decide that you want to call it a criminal empire. They'll whack him before he can get out.

What would be interesting is if someone close to him (Christopher, Paulie, Sil, etc) orders the hit because they know that they can never just let him go. It is almost like Tony has to die in the end. Sure his character has been the most developed and he is the main character and as bad as he is we all love him but, in the end, he is a bad guy. He is a criminal. He is a murderer. He needs to pay for his sins.

To be honest, I expect Paulie to die. I pretty much expect Tony to die. The only person I'm pulling for to come out of the series alive and well is Christopher. Michael Imperioli has been so great over the years and the writer's have done such a great job of expanding his character that I really want to see him come out of it unscathed.

I mean, what was it, the 1st or 2nd season when they had Christopher on the dock with a gun to his head pleading for his life. He survived that. He survived how many relapses into serious drug addiction. He could have cut and run with Adriana but he did the stand up thing, went to Tony and fessed up that his fiance was a rat for the Feds. He has survived so much over the years that we should all be rooting for him to survive the biggest test of all: the final few episodes.

[Darth Octavious]

Maybe we should have how the series is going to end; who's going to be whacked and who's going to the boss.

I heard on a radio show that Paulie be the best candidate to be boss. No wife, kids no family except for the one that he is in. He's old school, talks alot, I know but he is old school.

[T-bone]

The only person I'm pulling for to come out of the series alive and well is Christopher. Michael Imperioli has been so great over the years and the writer's have done such a great job of expanding his character that I really want to see him come out of it unscathed.

I mean, what was it, the 1st or 2nd season when they had Christopher on the dock with a gun to his head pleading for his life. He survived that. He survived how many relapses into serious drug addiction. He could have cut and run with Adriana but he did the stand up thing, went to Tony and fessed up that his fiance was a rat for the Feds. He has survived so much over the years that we should all be rooting for him to survive the biggest test of all: the final few episodes.


Heh, heh, heh...
:bye:

[DblDwn]

Yeah, well, so much for that. I told my fiance that it was going to be extemely gay if Christopher died as a result of the accident but, until he did it, it didn't even cross my mind that Tony would kill him. That was intense.

So 3 episodes left and things are heating up. Tony and Phil are fixing to go Godfather on each other. AJ is into some deep $hit with these friends of his. Anyone else get the feeling that he's going to snap and just kill his two buddies to stop them from hurting others?

Nice that Tony thinks that ridding himself of Christopher is what has turned around his gambling woes.

Hard to believe there are only 3 episodes left.

[Tovor]

I missed the beginning of the episode, but I have felt similar to DD in that I wanted Chris to come out unscathed. He was the one who was fighting to break away from the "life" from a certain perspective, and be more at peace with himself. So like I said, I missed the beginning, and had no idea that Tony was responcible, until Tony's chat with his wife toward the end gave me a clue that he was somehow involved. The two things I don't quite get thus far, are how, and why Tony killed him. Did he cause the crash in order to kill him, or use to the crash to cover his existing death up?

[Tovor]

...Hard to believe there are only 3 episodes left.
Let's hope that the series has a solid resolution and doesn't end like Seinfeld did.

[DblDwn]

Christopher was playing with the radio volume and swerved into the other lane. There was a car coming, with "Kennedy and Heidi" (the name of the episode) in the car, and when he swerved to avoid the oncoming car the Escalade drove off the road and rolled down a hill. After they came to a stop Christopher was having difficulty breathing and asked Tony to help him because he would not pass a drug test (as we later found out he was high on coke). Tony glanced into the back and noticed the branch that pummeled the car seat so he got out and walked around to the drivers side. He started to dial 911 but then stopped and plugged Christopher's nose so that he couldn't breathe thereby causing him to drown in his own blood. Then Tony called 911 for help.

[Tovor]

Damn. And just a week earlier he had been crying to his therapist that Chris didn't love him or respect him enough. Hard to believe he killed him himself.

[Virus]

I didn't get to last nights show until today and f**kin MSNBC spoiled it for me by having it say "Chistopher meetings a shocking end" as the subtitle to their article with his picture. WTF! I hate that site, such junk news.....anyway.....great episode.

[DblDwn]

If you hate it, and it is full of "junk news," then why did you go to it in the first place?

[Virus]

If you hate it, and it is full of "junk news," then why did you go to it in the first place?

haha.....I just like the sections in Entertainment that breakdown each week for Survivor and Sopranos. Its still junk news and shame on them for having a spoiler in the subtitle. I guess I learned my lesson in case if I miss the finale and need to watch it later that week.

[Darth Octavious]

Bye Bye Christopher. That was awesome and a perfect crime for Tony to get rid of the drug/liquor addict.


NEXT!

[DblDwn]

You gotta love the irony in Tony killing Christopher, who has been like a son to him his whole life, for being back on drugs and how does he cope with getting away from all the grieving over his death? By going to Vegas and spending the week nailing one of Christopher's old flames and smoking weed and doing peyote's with her. To get away from it all he spent a week, more or less, being Christopher.

[T-bone]

Now THAT was a good episode. Like the old days...

Next week is going to be nuts.

[DblDwn]

My fiance is still upset that Sil got whacked. I keep trying to comfort her by reminding her that he isn't technically dead.........he's just a vegetable in a coma.

Like T said, best episode in, perhaps, years. Back to the basics of the first couple of seasons. It's interesting, now with Bobby dead, that all the mistakes he made in that Canadian hit never came back into the story.

Next week is going to be nuts.

I'm going to go ahead and second that one right now.

[T-bone]

My fiance is still upset that Sil got whacked. I keep trying to comfort her by reminding her that he isn't technically dead.........he's just a vegetable in a coma.

Like T said, best episode in, perhaps, years. Back to the basics of the first couple of seasons. It's interesting, now with Bobby dead, that all the mistakes he made in that Canadian hit never came back into the story.



I'm going to go ahead and second that one right now.


I really don't think that Canadian stuff was done for any other reason than to move Bobby up the ladder in order for him to be whacked. It was just to show him finally bust his nut, as they put it, before he died, etc. They've been using these little mini-plots for years now and never tie them up so it shouldn't really surprise anyone.

What they're leaving open now with Sil though - hehe - is the classic pillow on the face thing from Godfather 2 but it'll probably work this time... They basically get to whack Sil twice in a way. Then again, they love just not cleaning this stuff up.

Sins and consequences. That's the whole series subtitle.

[DblDwn]

Good point about the Canadian thing and the mini-plots of the past.

But yeah that is interesting that they left open Sil not being killed in the hit. Of course, someone has to be around if they ever green light the feature film.

[Virus]

Now THAT was a good episode. Like the old days...

Next week is going to be nuts.

^what he said

[kopernikuz]

Great stuff... I may be alone here... but I read an article about the episode and they were praising Bracco as Melfi... not that she was bad in this episode... but people have been praising her all along and it must just be me, but I can't stand her. She's the least powerful performance of the entire cast for me. I know it's supposed to be her psychiatrist demeanor, but she just comes off wooden and stale to me... if not for Gandolfini's brilliant performances opposite her in the chair, those scenes would be nothing... she's just not all that to me. And it's not that I don't like Bracco... because I do... but Melfi never really resonated with me ever... other than as the obvious plot device in the show as the sounding board for Tony's angst...

[Master Magnus]

Great stuff... I may be alone here... but I read an article about the episode and they were praising Bracco as Melfi... not that she was bad in this episode... but people have been praising her all along and it must just be me, but I can't stand her. She's the least powerful performance of the entire cast for me. I know it's supposed to be her psychiatrist demeanor, but she just comes off wooden and stale to me... if not for Gandolfini's brilliant performances opposite her in the chair, those scenes would be nothing... she's just not all that to me.
I agree. She's quite stale and bland. I've never been much of a fan of the session scenes.

[Tovor]

I agree. She's quite stale and bland. I've never been much of a fan of the session scenes.
I agree and disagree, and I'll explain. I agree she comes off wooden and stale, and in a real life setting she doesn't seem like the sort of doctor who could get me to open and spill my deep feelings. However, I always enjoy Tony's telling of his fears and feelings, and hearing him open up so honestly. So I always enjoy the sessions on Tony's side, but don't care much for her respones and unreactive expressions.

[Tovor]

What I don't understand is, don't the Soprano family have any soldiers? Although it's a different story entirely, the Godfather novel talked about Corleone soldiers "going to the mattresses"...meaning, when they went to war with the other families, their hit men and street soldiers lived in a safehouse apartment with mattresses laid out on the floor for all the men to sleep on, to be ready at a phone call to wreck mayhem on the other family's operations. That's basically what Tony and the others did last night, but yet they didn't have any men to call on to go to war?

What Tony Soprano needs is a Luca Brazi and a Rocco Lampone, with soldiers under their command.

[Master Magnus]

I agree and disagree, and I'll explain. I agree she comes off wooden and stale, and in a real life setting she doesn't seem like the sort of doctor who could get me to open and spill my deep feelings. However, I always enjoy Tony's telling of his fears and feelings, and hearing him open up so honestly. So I always enjoy the sessions on Tony's side, but don't care much for her respones and unreactive expressions.
Well, you do got a point there, Tov.

[DblDwn]

What I don't understand is, don't the Soprano family have any soldiers? Although it's a different story entirely, the Godfather novel talked about Corleone soldiers "going to the mattresses"...meaning, when they went to war with the other families, their hit men and street soldiers lived in a safehouse apartment with mattresses laid out on the floor for all the men to sleep on, to be ready at a phone call to wreck mayhem on the other family's operations. That's basically what Tony and the others did last night, but yet they didn't have any men to call on to go to war?

What Tony Soprano needs is a Luca Brazi and a Rocco Lampone, with soldiers under their command.

Great point. What's with them having to call in a pair of hit men from Italy who can't even tell one silver haired Italian from another silver haired Ukranian? Also they messed up there too because they missed a great opportunity to bring, of course I would forget his name but the pony tailed guy from the mid seasons who Carm was all moist for, anyway to bring him back and serve as assassin.

[kopernikuz]

Yes, I enjoy the sessions... I just don't enjoy her performance... and they're always talking Emmys for her, why? Gandolfini is the one doing the real acting in the scenes, lol.

As for the soldiers... Tony's got a bunch of guys we've seen in many other episodes, what are they doing now? Like all the young guys who do most of the dirty work... ie) Benny (Max Casella of Doogie Howser fame) and his group of ruffians. It seems like those guys should be running interference... and maybe they are, perhaps we'll see this next week?

[DblDwn]

Tony needs to have AJ call up his "buddies" since they have no problem hurting people.

[T-bone]

Great stuff... I may be alone here... but I read an article about the episode and they were praising Bracco as Melfi... not that she was bad in this episode... but people have been praising her all along and it must just be me, but I can't stand her. She's the least powerful performance of the entire cast for me. I know it's supposed to be her psychiatrist demeanor, but she just comes off wooden and stale to me... if not for Gandolfini's brilliant performances opposite her in the chair, those scenes would be nothing... she's just not all that to me. And it's not that I don't like Bracco... because I do... but Melfi never really resonated with me ever... other than as the obvious plot device in the show as the sounding board for Tony's angst...

She was always awful - and useless.

[Tovor]

And another thing. They are at war, with targets on their backs, so why go out in public? That's what I'm thinking with Tony and wife in the restaurant, and then Bobby going into the toy store, that it would have been easy for hit men to follow them and target them. And with Bobby, he was too careless out in the open like that.

[T-bone]

And another thing. They are at war, with targets on their backs, so why go out in public? That's what I'm thinking with Tony and wife in the restaurant, and then Bobby going into the toy store, that it would have been easy for hit men to follow them and target them. And with Bobby, he was too careless out in the open like that.


No no - everyone thought it was just Tony they were going after at first. That's all the FBI guy told him.

[Tovor]

No no - everyone thought it was just Tony they were going after at first. That's all the FBI guy told him.
Granted, so why wasn't he surrounded by bodyguards when he went out, and why go out at all when you've got a target on your head?

[T-bone]

I think he figured it was early in the game. Don't think about it so much.

[kopernikuz]

Granted, so why wasn't he surrounded by bodyguards when he went out, and why go out at all when you've got a target on your head?
Because he's got stugots, chiacchierrone... don't get agita over it... :P

[Tovor]

Because he's got stugots, chiacchierrone... don't get agita over it... :P
Ah, fuggeddaboutit. :P

[TAGLINE]

I hope Phil dies a painful death because of what happened to poor Vito.

[T-bone]

Oh Phil is totally a dead man. I think everyone's going to pay a certain price.

I always said if Tony doesn't die, he'll go into witness protection. He already has an FBI friend anyhow. I just don't think he'll get away clean. If he doesn't die, his family or something will all be dead and he'll be totally alone.

If he lives, I bet a movie is definitely coming. If he dies, I doubt it.
I'm SO not interested in the story of his kids. They bore me to tears.

[TAGLINE]

Anthony Jr. is one of the most fascinating characters on the show, and that might be because I went through a very similar situation he is going through now. After Gandolfini, he is my next favorite performance on the show.

[Virus]

Anthony Jr. is one of the most fascinating characters on the show, and that might be because I went through a very similar situation he is going through now. After Gandolfini, he is my next favorite performance on the show.

I'm just glad Tony slapped him around a bit. AJ needs to wake up.

I still think that Tony is going to get it in the back from Paulie Walnuts

[TAGLINE]

Well, you don't want to slap a kid who was suicidal around...but Tony isn't the best father.

Paulie? not now, unless he and Phil are allies.

[Darth Octavious]

AJ needs a smack, Paulie is in league with Phil.

Did you guys notice that in the scene with Bobby, Sil and Tony in the restaurant, when Sil and Tony are doing the boxing slow-motion thing, the music in the background? The music was from Godfather 3 at the end when shortly after Mary Corleone gets shot and the Don reminises and then dies in the chair in Italy. So, that makes me wonder if anything is going to happen to Meadow?

[kopernikuz]

I think Paulie will be the one to shoot Tony as well... after the agonizing moments for Tony in Florida and on the boat and deciding to let Paulie live, it would be right that Paulie ended up being the one... if Tony had just gone through with it, kind of thing...

It wouldn't surprise me to have Tony in witness protection working with the feds, because the whole series has been about two families... Tony's blood and Tony's brothers... and how he can manage them both. In the beginning, he couldn't manage his blood at all and we've seen him come full circle and be a somewhat better husband and father... it's like his redemption... but the question is whether he'll choose his blood or his mafia honor in the end.

[TAGLINE]

AJ needs a smack, Paulie is in league with Phil.

Did you guys notice that in the scene with Bobby, Sil and Tony in the restaurant, when Sil and Tony are doing the boxing slow-motion thing, the music in the background? The music was from Godfather 3 at the end when shortly after Mary Corleone gets shot and the Don reminises and then dies in the chair in Italy. So, that makes me wonder if anything is going to happen to Meadow?

That was more a reference to Raging Bull, since they were boxing Slow mo.

[DblDwn]

You have to figure that there may be something up with Paulie and Phil since Paulie was left off of Phil's hit list. Just Tony, Sil and Bobby were on the list presumably leaving Paulie as the boss in the aftermath. Phil obviously feels that Paulie is the one least likely to ruffle any feathers.

[TAGLINE]

You have to figure that there may be something up with Paulie and Phil since Paulie was left off of Phil's hit list. Just Tony, Sil and Bobby were on the list presumably leaving Paulie as the boss in the aftermath. Phil obviously feels that Paulie is the one least likely to ruffle any feathers.

Well, they were going just for the "management" or the top guys. Paulie is one of the main characters on the show, but he isn't management at all. As far as we know Tony keeps him around because of the connection Paulie has with the past.

I think he just sets up the hits.

[DblDwn]

I've always gotten the impression that Paulie is a little more than a random guy who he keeps around to arrange hits. He's closer to Paulie than anyone in, or ever in, his crew including Sil, Bobby and the nephew formerly known as Mr Moltisanti. Tony has said that when he was younger Paulie was the guy who he looked up to. Paulie was a much bigger hero to him than both his own father and Carado combined. All that said, if Phil wanted to take out Tony's inner circle, then Paulie should certainly have been targeted as well.

It does make you wonder, with that preview shot of Tony and Paulie sitting in a van with headlights appearing on them, if Paulie sets Tony up. Perhaps Paulie's paranoia that Tony was going to kill him gets the better of him and he turns sides and sets up Tony's demise.

If there is anything that we have learned from all of the mob movies of the past, they always send your best friend to kill you.

[TAGLINE]

See I doubt buy that Paulie would suddenly just turn on Tony for Phil.
If it happens, then they will really have to explain it.

When you say he is closer to Paulie, sure. But Sil has ALWAYS been his right hand man and the most dependable. Bobby was also incredibly loyal and a very diligent worker. Chris was the one he had the deepest connection with over the course of the show, which is why when it came crashing down in the last two seasons he was so agitated with Chris.
Paulie has always been a good friend for Tony, but he was never management and always seemed to be too reckless or stupid to be given any real duties. If Tony is really opting to have Paulie killed because of his liability, then he really didn't see him as a major holder of real value in the crew.

That said, I can't see Paulie betraying Tony unless there is just cause.

If there is anything that we have learned from all of the mob movies of the past, they always send your best friend to kill you.

And that would not be Paulie.

[DblDwn]

And that would not be Paulie.

Um, yes it would but let's not turn this into the Lost Thread.

[TAGLINE]

Um, yes it would but let's not turn this into the Lost Thread.

Sil is his best friend. That's why he is his Consigliere.

[Tovor]

Hey guys, this is from the official HBO-Sopranos site. You might find some relevance here to what you're suggesting.

Peter Paul Gualtieri, arguably the most meticulously coiffed and manicured capo in the Soprano crew, was something of a child prodigy. He first displayed the skills he'd utilize in his chosen profession at the tender age of nine: while other kids were dreaming of wielding a bat like the Mick, Paulie was deploying one on a schoolmate's skull. In and out of juvenile correctional facilities for the next several years, Paulie eventually dropped out of school altogether; at seventeen, he became an enforcer for Johnny Boy Soprano. Thereafter his movement up the ranks was steady, albeit punctuated by the occasional prison stretch and an army hitch abbreviated by a Section 8.

Is Paulie mentally unstable? He's highly superstitious and has a violent - at times literally murderous - temper, as well as a distrust of others that borders on the paranoid. But those qualities don't particularly distinguish him from his associates. He's openly admitted to seeking professional counseling, although he disapproves of Tony's therapy. That Tony's shrink is a woman "don't compute" for Paulie, whose "issues" with the opposite sex are common knowledge. Though he's had his fair share of goomars, the only Mrs. Gualtieri has been Nucci, Paulie's mother - on whom he dotes with the reverence of a true son of Italy.

Paulie's philosophy of life is simple: as long as everybody who's supposed to kick points to him does, so that he can in turn kick his points to Tony, all's right with the world. But recent decisions by Tony - that resulted in a considerable drop in Paulie's earnings - have made Paulie less sanguine about the way of the world. He went so far as to tell his sorrows to Johnny Sack and even paid a visit to Carmine Lupertazzi, considering a switch his allegiance to the New York organization. But when the old don didn't know who he was, a chagrined Paulie quickly hightailed it back to Tony, rekindling their relationship with an envelope full of cash.

[kopernikuz]

Yes, Paulie has toyed with betraying Tony before to the NY mob... it would not be an unusual turn of events to find that Phil had courted him with the right reward... Boss.

[TAGLINE]

Yes, Paulie has toyed with betraying Tony before to the NY mob... it would not be an unusual turn of events to find that Phil had courted him with the right reward... Boss.

Except that they already tried it already and screwed Paulie over so much that he went back to Tony. I also think Paulie hates Phil more than most people given how Phil treats the entire Soprano crew.

[kopernikuz]

Possibly. I still think there might be some creative writing reason for Tony hesitating to whack Paulie when his gut told him to may come back to bite him... I don't know why.. it's just a feeling. I have honestly no idea... just speculating.

[DblDwn]

Sil is his best friend. That's why he is his Consigliere.

I'm going to half-heartedly grant you that point but there is a twist on that as well. For starters, Consigs are not always your best friend per se. Tom Hagen was not Vito Corleone's best friend. He was his adopted son. To use a real world reference Sammy The Bull was not John Gotti's best friend but he was still his Consig. Just saying.

When I said "best friend" before you took that to be the literal meaning. A much more accurate interpretation of what I meant would be that they always send the person closest to you to do you in. Paulie has been Tony's hero since Tony was a boy. Tony never looked up to his father or Corado the way he looked up to Paulie. With Christopher and Bobby both dead, and Sil a veggie, then hands down Paulie is the closest person to Tony. And that is what I meant.

Let's be honest here, that whole episode of them going to Florida together had to be for something. The entire point of the episode was to show the bond between Tony and Paulie. To show the true extent of Tony's admiration for him as a youth. And to show that Tony let that admiration effect his judgement when he was pondering whether or not to kill Paulie.

But it also did a great job of illustrating that Paulie's paranoia, in this instance, was spot on. He was right in thinking of the similarities to when they killed Puss when he and T were going out on the boat. He was right in every bit of doubt he had in Tony's absolute trust in him.

And there was a reason for all that. Whether it was setting up the finale or not won't be known until Sunday evening but, in the meantime, it's all just fun speculation anyway.

[kopernikuz]

I completely second ^

As for "best friends"... didn't Tony refer to Puss as his best friend in a recent episode, I could be wrong, but he mentioned something about him in that way didn't he? It was during a rant to Melfi about people he'd killed or seen die or something... I thought that was interesting... Tony had to kill his best friend... but he couldn't bring himself to kill Paulie... that will be significant.