Mace Windu: Exit Mace, Stage Right

[JediBendu]

came across this while trying to find something else *from Empire mag online:

But what would it take to bring down the legendary Mace Windu? “Oh it would take both of them,” he says, eyeing up his co-stars. “It would have to be a combination of Anakin, Dooku and a Sith, ‘cause I don’t think any of them could take Mace on their own.”

Granted he's probably just being the bad mother he is but GL was also present so maybe...

[Master Vodo Baas]

I believe that Mace Windu will be defeated by Auura Sing and Boba Fett. We will finally have the opportunity to see a female, handle a lightsaber in combat (and not just holding one) Boba has to have a hand in Mace Windu's death. There is no other way. I believe that these two bountyhunters will be Mace Windu's assassins...I can see the action. Auura attacking with her lightsaber (taken from the last jedi she killed) while Boba waits, taking shots at Windu, from the sidelines. As Windu grows weaker, Boba moves in and...well you can guess,,,,

[Count Dooku]

<span style="color:red">Damn I never knew Mace was that powerful. He seems just as powerful as Master Yoda. I would like to see Mace's skills not see Boba or Aurra kill him. It would be much better to see him fight with a lightsaber.</span>

[Anakin Lover]

Okay it is a fact that Lucas(in an interview said)" I've talked it over with Sam and he & I feel that were going to give Mace a nice and dramatic death. I believe Mace will die by Anakin when he's searching for the Jedi.Maybe Boba could possibly have something to do with it.

[Anakin Lover]

Okay it is a fact that Lucas(in an interview said)" I've talked it over with Sam and he & I feel that were going to give Mace a nice and dramatic death." I believe Mace will die by Anakin when he's searching for the Jedi.Maybe Boba could possibly have something to do with it.

[Shadow Angel]

That would be cool if there was a scene where Sidious removes his hood in front of Mace and Yoda to show that he's really the Supreme Chancellor, then duel with Mace.

[SonGokou]

When Jackson says he doesn't want Mace to go out like "some punk" I'd say - "LOP", there goes one arm, and "CHOP", there goes his head. I do believe he's dead.

I have forseen it. Or something. :whatsthat:

[Darth Light]

This is how I would like to see it:
Mace and Dooku are fighting soon Dooku dies *body* limp on the ground. Mace turns to find out what's happening with Yoda and discovers that he is in a titanic battle against Sidious (lightsabers by now). Mace runs up behind Yoda and says "Go now Master." Just as Mace and Obi-wan were fighting back to back this is how Yoda and Mace switch postions. Yoda knows what he must do and quickly flees. As he is leaving we hear Sidious talk smack to the Jedi Master, very confidently. Mace is tired and put's up a good fight but is killed. Darth Vader enters the room.

[Zane Marit]

If Mace dies...it wil be on his 2 feet and will be by at least a double team of sorts...I doubt we will see Vader with a saber in this one. But I like the idea of Vader showing up in Armor while other Jedi are battling...the sheer shock value alone will be great!!! :0 But somehow I doubt that Vader will move as quick as Yoda or Mace in that suit...In the original trilogy he could barely move, and I doubt age was the factor...I see Anikin eliminating Dooku while Palpy "encourages" Ani to use his anger and agression...possibly the first "Force Choke"?!? :sarcasm: I think it would be a good way to get back after the Lightning attack and chopping off his arm.

[Rinc]

Its gonna be sad to see Mace die. Apart from Yoda and OBW it will signal the end of the jedi as we know them because Mace is so powerful. What i'd like to happen is everyone thinks Anakin is dead and while the jedi are hiding they hear of a new sith called Darth Vader taking out the jedi. Vader either finds Mace or Mace goes to him thinking he can take him. When they meet Vader reveals himself to be Anakin which kinda shocks Mace and Vader then kills him. Although i'd also like to see a more heroic death as Darth Light has suggested.

[Mjade2005]

i'd like to see Anakin have duel with Mace. it would be the start of a bloody future

[Obi-Wan]

<span style="color:blue">I think Yoda will kill Mace Windu. Because there is a rumer that there is a traitor on the Jedi Council. I think the traitor is Mace Windu. If Mace is the traitor then he will follow Yoda to Dagobah and Mace will battle him. And Yoda would win, and then Mace Windu's Sith Spirit would go into the tree. and that is why Yoda stays on Dagobah. Because Star Wars.com's Databank said that the reason Yoda stayed on Dagobah is because a Sith that was so powerful in the Darkside died there. And I think that Sith is Mace Windu.</span>

[Munkee Bounty Hunter]

Mace Windu will have to be brought down with a tremendoues effort from the Sith. I believe, since we never see it in the original episodes, the Jedi Temple will be crushed into oblivion. Possibly, the Detah Star will be in orbit of Coruscant. It's beam will be set to a low power, enough to crush the mighty temple to it's death, where our friend Mace will be, fighting off some intrude, such as Dooku. With Doku dieng as well, this leaves a void in the Sith religion. Therefore, Anakin shall take the throne of Sith Apprentice, and join the Emperor in the conquest of the "Old" Republic. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blush.gif

[Zane Marit]

ObiWan makes a good point about the dark side power of the cave....however I think that it being Mace is unlikely. This sounds more like an EU plot not part of EPIII. My point is that Yoda will flee, and may go to multiple place before residing on Degobah. Mace will already be dead. Probably some other character is being reffered to as the Sith on Degobah.

[Rogue_0009]

At approx 10:45 pm last night I realized a SW universe explanation of reason why in TPM jedi had multi colored sabres but not in AOTC (accept for Mace's)

Sometime after TPM the jedi decided to standardiz the crystal types used in lightsabre[I'm guessing it was something the accounting dept. came up with] so now the only color crystals available are blue and green. But Mace Windu's was the last purple one made before the policy was introduced.

{you may now poke holes in my theory}

[maddog62]

So, Mace's lightsaber was Grandfathered in because he has seniority. Government, always bending over for somebody.

[Zane Marit]

Refresh my memory please...I do not remember seeing any other color of blades in TPM other than red, blue, and green. It was rumored that Mace would have a Violet color blade, but obviously we did not see it. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/saber.gif

[Justin]

There weren't any lightsber colors other than red blue and green in TPM. Why do you think there were other colors?

Mace Windu had a lavender lightsaber in AOTC because he asked Lucas if he could have a different color. That's the only reason.

[Angel_Blue]

I'm sure what Rouge_0009 means is in comics or books set a little before or after TPM.

[Darth Whaler]

I said it before and I'll say it again. The purple saber bothers me...it shouldn't, it's just a color, but it does. Why does only one jedi out of hundreds have a purple blade. I've always said that there should be an explanation, not just because one actor wanted to have something his way.

So, to conclude, I like your idea because it provides me with an explanation. Will GL use something like this to explain the purple saber...in my opinion, probably not. But at least it gives me some peace of mind. Until another explanation is provided, I think I'll stick with yours Rogue. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[Darth Darthy]

Video games like Jedi Power Battles used the council as playable characters with various colours. That's where Rouge_0009 probably got it from. Wasn't there a Jedi Knight/Master with a red Lightsabre in that game?

[Lonesabre]

An impression I always had was that Masters use green and knights/padawans use blue... But obviously after AOTC this theory doesnt work! Please help if you can see a way that it does!!!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Mace Windu had a lavender lightsaber in AOTC because he asked Lucas if he could have a different color. That's the only reason. [/b][/quote]

Another reason maybe, that, if Mace is a traitor, which has been rumoured, then Purple is a mix of Blue and Red lightsabres... hmmm

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[Darth Whaler]

Originally posted by Darth Darthy@Aug. 06 2002 - 18:16
Video games like Jedi Power Battles used the council as playable characters with various colours. That's where Rouge_0009 probably got it from. Wasn't there a Jedi Knight/Master with a red Lightsabre in that game?
You're thinking of Adi Gallia. The Jedi Power Battles game booklet states that her lightsaber is crimson I believe. I'll have to check on that.

[Jedi D'oh]

i agree with you lonesabre. if mace indeed is a traitor, his color would be an inbetween color. remember the force plays a big part in the development of a jedis lightsaber.

that is a good theory. i dont think lucas would give SLJ a purple saber just cause he wants one. it would have to be a part of the story. well, i guess we'll see huh? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/saber.gif

[maddog62]

Me, personally I don't care to much about lightsaber color.

[Martini]

yea good point. cause i was shocked when Lucas just gave SLJ a special color lightsaber just cause he asked for one and so he could spot himself between in that clone war we saw in AOTC. so what! its gonna mean something more. and i can totally see us understanding in EPISODE III how the construction of a lightsaber is BIG. like luke in the OT, mace's purple saber, and anakin losing his green saber to give to luke and making himself that red one.

this movie is gonnna be sooooo bad ass!!!

[Mann]

The easiest explanation is usually the simpilest. Samuel L. Jackson's favorite color is purple so he asked Lucas is he could have a purple lightsaber. There isn't any reason to it, it was to make Mace a more individual Jedi than the rest of the order.

[Kit]

Purple may be Samuel L. Jackson's favorite color, but I though another reason he asked for it was to see himself wherever he was on the battle grounds. (I didn't hear this from any major source-- just my girlfriend)

[Rinc]

I believe Mace has just got a purple one because SLJ asked for it. But if i'm looking for excuses i'd say its down to power. Obviously the construction of a lightsabre is a demonstration of power and most jedis can construct a blue or green one (or a red if they turn naughty). But to construct a different colour you have to be very very powerful ie. Yoda, Mace or Dooku. Since Dooku is a sith he has a red one. Yoda has always been a man (not literally) of the people and is totally against any arrogance or brashness. Mace seems a bit arrogant though (and IMO is one of the ones Yoda was referring to in the scene with Mace and Obi-Wan in the jedi temple) and likes to show his power. Therefore he has a purple blade, a SW version of a Ferrari.

[Saranac]

The reason Mace Windu's is purple is Samuel L. Jackson asked GL for a different color so he could pick himself out of the crowd. I dont know why purple but that answers your question.

[Tovor]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Purple may be Samuel L. Jackson's favorite color, but I though another reason he asked for it was to see himself wherever he was on the battle grounds. (I didn't hear this from any major source-- just my girlfriend)
[/b][/quote]

I read that in a few mags which I can't remember names of (most likely the SW Insider), but the night of the AOTC premier, or 2 nights before (don't remember exactly), Jackson was on the Tonight Show and said himself that he requested the purple saber so that he would be seen and not blended into the mass of other Jedi.

[Rogue_0009]

I'm not saying my thery is why mace's sabre is different I know about SLJ's request, I'm just trying to give a SW universe explaination.

[Blackride]

I dont really think it takes any special experience to make different color sabers. I think it is more a "rite of passage" thing.

It could be that Mace sees himself as an individual and not part of the whole. This would explain why he makes his own "different" saber. I also think this is why he is bad. He sees himself as too good for the Jedi Order.

Thanks Blackride

[abc]

I was watching the phantom menace for about the fifth time a while ago and I noticed something that I had not noticed before. There are two main scenes where Mace Windu says that Ani will not be trained as a Jedi. Straight afterwards there is a close up on Anikin who squints his face at Mace as if to say "I will never forget this slight on me".

Just as Vader cuts mace in half in Ep III, we'll hear Vader say something like that is for trying to stop me from becoming the most powerful Jedi ever

[Jedi Master Gandalf]

Anakin will definetly kill Mace, but I think he'll do it as Vader. Mace will probably be the last of the Jedi to be killed off.

[Jedi Master Shaft]

I remember Rick McCallum telling something about Boba hating the Skywalkers !

Considering Sam Jackson said he wants a good death, considering Hayden Christensen said he wants to fight against Jackson, and considering my first sentence, Mace Windu's horrible death could happen that way:

In a terrible battle in the Jedi Temple of Coruscant the newly-formed Empire Forces are commanded by Palpatine's new henchman: the turned-Sith-Anakin Skywalker. In this battle, the young Skywalker fights with Master Windu, as Boba Fett -now living in his father's old friend Jabba's palace- arrives in the Jedi Temple, searching Windu to have revenge. Boba Fett sees Anakin killing Windu, and tries to kill the Jedi-turned-Sith with a desintegration blaster. He misses his shot and desintegrate a stormtrooper ( nod to Empire's "No desintegrations !" ). Anakin runs away, leaving Boba Fett alone, with his revenge quest uncompleted, and hating the Skywalkers as Rick said he would.

I know it doesn't sound very well, but after thinking during the two last years that Boba Fett would work with the Empire just to have the opportunity to kill Master Windu, and that he would slice Windu's head in the Temple, I realize that Anakin Skywalker killing Windu under Fett's eyes is a much better idea.

To make Master Windu a pivotal character as George Lucas said he would be in Episode III, Windu could even face Anakin to allow Master Yoda to escape without having Skywalker at his tail. That way, saving Yoda, he would be a pivotal character, he would have a nice death, Anakin-turned-Sith could be really shown as a very bad guy, and Boba Fett's backstory would be continued.


Maybe I'm thinking too much. I guess it will be much more simple in the film. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif

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[JediBendu]

I'm still not convinced Boba will make it into the final cut, let alone kill Mace. McCallum's stated that the film will be closer to 2hrs rather than 3, and GL has stated that Boba will only have a cursory role at best. He'd be too young to kill the mother of all bad ass Jedi :p

How about - Mace is the last Jedi standing, defending the Jedi temple against Anakin and a whole heap of clone troopers. He is defeated, surrounded, mortally wounded. He looks up to see Anakin marching triumphantly towards him. He smiles, reaches into his Jedi robes, and pulls out a thermal detonator. He laughs as Anakin's smug grin is permanently wiped of his face. All that's left is the tattered remains of Anakin, which the Emperor rescues and rebirths into Vader.


works for me anyway...

[Zane Marit]

It has been hinted in interviews and on this site that there may be a 2 on 1 fight against Mace...Now whom could that 2 be???

Anakin is odds on favorite to be one of them...Now lets look at the other suspects...

Dooku - possible that Dooku could be taking Ani under his wing and helps him fight Mace. After Mace is defeated Ani senses that Dooku is a threat (or whatever) and then turns on a tired and maybe injured Dooku, kills him, and takes his place next to Palpy as the Sith apprentice. The flaw in this...Ani will surely remeber that Dooku made him a one armed bandit, and Anakin has already shown his impatience. He would off Dooku at the first opportunity.

Boba Fett - I have heard about the "growth accelerators" theory flying around here (which I find to be silly) and whether he is older or just 13ish Boba could be able to distract Mace enough for Ani to get in some good shots on Mace. The flaw...I feel that Boba will be 13ish and just too young to handle taking on a Jedi in any capacity.

Obi Wan - Another theory floating around is that Mace is not who he appears to be and has both the light and dark side in him (hence the violet blade). This would give Obi Wan cause to fight against Mace and help Anakin to defeat him. The flaw in this is that I just do not believe this theory.

Palpatine - This is my prime suspect. I feel that he is powerful enough to take on Mace and let Anakin help him take out the 2nd most lethal lightsaber fighter in the galaxy. The flaw...How do you set this fight up? Have Anakin and Palpatine taking over the Jedi temple while Mace holds the fort down?!? This just seems like it would be difficult to set up.

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[Darth Badly]

Originally posted by Zane Marit@Aug. 12 2002 - 14:41
Palpatine - This is my prime suspect. I feel that he is powerful enough to take on Mace and let Anakin help him take out the 2nd most lethal lightsaber fighter in the galaxy. The flaw...How do you set this fight up? Have Anakin and Palpatine taking over the Jedi temple while Mace holds the fort down?!? This just seems like it would be difficult to set up.

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Most likely thing I would have thought is that Mace will have to die a hero's death. He'll take on Palpy & Vader at the climax of the film, to allow time for either 1/ Obi Wan and the twins or 2/ Yoda or 3/ All of them to make an escape and get away from the Emperor.

[Zane Marit]

That seems very possible...location would then become irrelevant.

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[DarthKueller]

Mace Windu will be killed by one person, not two, and he'll die towards the end of the movie. And Boba Fett will not kill him. That is all I will say. Most of you know who it is. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif :)

[Justin]

How can you possibly know if Mace Windu is going to be cut in half?

[Darth Whaler]

I really like JediBendu's idea. That would be an interesting twist, especially considering everyone's belief that Obi Wan caused most of Vader's injuries.

[JediBendu]

Originally posted by Justin@Aug. 12 2002 - 14:31
How can you possibly know if Mace Windu is going to be cut in half?
coz that's the only way a bad mother f****r should go :p

[Saranac]

Heres my theory:

Boba Fett walks up to an exhausted Mace Windu with no light saber, and shoots him.

Just like Jedibendu said,"Works for me."

[Mann]

POsted this full quotre on another page but here's what I found from A STAR WARS PAGE:

Jackson knows only one thing about his character's fate. "I die in the next film. But I want to have a say in it," insists Jackson. "When I go, I don't want to get shot in the back by some bounty hunter-little Bobo twerp. When I go I, want to be facing him, and he has to be better than me."

So, he might have a fight afterall, Jackson isn't even ruling it out.

[Saranac]

We don't know for sure we will have to wait and find out.

[Justin]

It'll probably be Anakin, one way or another.

[Jedi Master Gandalf]

I really like the idea of Mace being the last one standing; tired, dirty, and beaten. Finally Vader comes with a wave of stormtroopers. Mace looks up, and Vader's crimson blade comes down.

[JediBendu]

dramatic enough as a lead up to the real downer, where the audience's gut will just be ripped out through their throat :unhappy:

[Senator Theant]

Jedibendu . . . .

I would not think Mace would pull out a thermal detonator if all else failed him. Thats not characteristic of a Jedi Master; sneaky, dirty tricks like that. Pullin out a thermal detonator is what you do when youre a dirty scumbag bounty hunter and want a higher reward for your Wookie prisoner.

I really do agree with the thoughts goin around here that Windu's death will occur in the Temple, and he will do so to allow Yoda, OBi Wan, and possibly Padme carrying her children--conceived or not--to escape.

A lightsaber battle in the Council room will be very dramatic. Anakin's inevitable victory over Windu in that room will only represent the larger theme at play.

[Obi-Stu]

I agree Senator. I think it will tie in nicely with the themes set in TPM & AOTC.

[Jedi Master Gandalf]

I agree with you also, Senator. Mace would never pull out a detonator as a last resort.

I think Mace would die, buying Yoda or Obi-Wan time to escape. But I also like the idea from Nick Georgandis' Knightfall, which is, Yoda and Obi-Wan have Luke and are fleeing from Count Dooku through space. Their ship is hit and crashes on Dagobah. Shortly thereafter, Dooku arrives on the planet, bent on capturing Luke. To buy Obi-Wan time to leave, Yoda battles Dooku and ends up killing him. That would work perfectly, and it explains Luke saying, "There's something fimiliar about this place."

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by JediBendu@Aug. 12 2002 - 07:11
I'm still not convinced Boba will make it into the final cut, let alone kill Mace. *McCallum's stated that the film will be closer to 2hrs rather than 3, and GL has stated that Boba will only have a cursory role at best. *He'd be too young to kill the mother of all bad ass Jedi *style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

How about - Mace is the last Jedi standing, defending the Jedi temple against Anakin and a whole heap of clone troopers. *He is defeated, surrounded, mortally wounded. *He looks up to see Anakin marching triumphantly towards him. *He smiles, reaches into his Jedi robes, and pulls out a thermal detonator. *He laughs as Anakin's smug grin is permanently wiped of his face. *All that's left is the tattered remains of Anakin, which the Emperor rescues and rebirths into Vader.


works for me anyway...
I think this is may be possible.

But whether Mace dies in a duel with Vader, or he dies in a duel wtih Palps". style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/scratchchin.gif *style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/saber.gif

[Jedi Master Gandalf]

I really doubt that Palpatine would be the one to kill Mace. It has to be Vader. I wouldn't want to see Anakin do it, I just want to see Vader battling Mace Windu, its the ultimate clash of PT and OT.

[Almighty Wookie]

I'm thinking that seen as they have pretty much confirmed that EpIII will take place after the Clone Wars that teh Jedi might be split into protecting what will be the Empire obviously led by Palpatine, and the Seperatists led by Bail Organa. This had me thinking that Anakin is going to go with Palpatine seeing as he listens to him more than Obi-Wan, we know Obi-Wan and Yoda will stick with Bail Organa as it was mentioned in ANH. Then I thought maybe Mace Windu would end up on the 'Empire' side as it has been said that his fighting style is the closest to a Sith, plus he did cut off Jango's head which most Jedi wouldn't do.

So maybe in the battles in Ep III Mace will end up fighting Yoda and Obi-Wan??

[Jedi Master Gandalf]

I disagree. I think Mace would be loyal to the Jedi Order, over anything else. And if anything, he wouldn't fight Yoda and Obi-Wan. I couldn't see him doing that.

[Senator Theant]

Imona raise the insensity level in my voice (imagine you could hear it) . . .

I really doubt that the Separtists movement cleans up its act, dumps all of its corporate sponsors, drops its mechanical armies, and becomes the Rebel Alliance. It doesnt make sense. More likely than not, Amidala will be a central figure in the conception of the organization of freedom fighters depicted in the OT. How could she join league with someone or something that tried to kill her, among other things?

True, true, the Rebel Alliance received many secret funds from Corporations abused and taxed into the ground by the Empire. That doesnt stand to reason that Mon Mothma and Bail Organa would unite with Gunray and the other greedy execs bent on exploitation. It just doesnt add up. And where are the droids? Surely not entirely defeated, as with the factories that produced them. If the Separatists stand a fighting chance against the Empire, then they need these crucial items throughout their battle, and I didnt see any droids among the ranks of the Rebels in the OT.

And I agree with Jedi Master Gandalf. Mace Windu would never betray the Order, even if he has a grudge against certain members. He displayed too much resolve in AOTC to be anything less than a moral man.

[Jedi Master Gandalf]

I'm sure we all have a certain "dream death" for Mace. I would just like him to have a dramatic death, and go honorably.

[Darth Raptor]

the coolest saber fight would be vader and fett against mace windu. its kind of obvious that fett is going to have some part in mace's death, but a small boba fett wont be able to take on a jedi master by himself, so vader (who is going on a rampage killing off jedi) helps boba avenge his dad's death and kills off one of the most powerful jedi's. if my guessing is correct and this fight does take place, it'll be the most memorable one in the entire star wars saga. (besides yoda and dooku, duh!)

[Jedi Master Gandalf]

You're exactly right, Raptor.

I don't want this to be a short, small fight. I want it to be long and meaningful, somewhere along the lines of Vader and Luke's duel in ESB.

[abc]

How can you possibly know if Mace Windu is going to be cut in half?

Because I am a hebrew prophet you dickhead!

[LordTyranus]

Originally posted by abc@Aug. 13 2002 - 23:32
How can you possibly know if Mace Windu is going to be cut in half?

Because I am a hebrew prophet you dickhead!
Ouch, never insult the HARDCORE HEBREW!

[maddog62]

You see what they are doing to the Palasinians. he might be bulldozing you house right now.

[maddog62]

I think we all just think way to deep into all aspects of the movie. Maybe it dosn't make a difference what collor it is. Purple lightsabers may might have a rare crystal that only MW has.

[DarthKueller]

Vader doesn't need Boba Fett to help him fight anyone.

[Darth Vegas]

Almighty Wookie, Episode 3 does not take place after the Clone Wars, the Clone Wars end at the beginning of Episode 3.

That's official. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/alien.gif :tie: :yoda:

[DblDwn]

Most of us would like to see Boba finish off Mace because it seems like the obvious thing to happen. After Mace decapitates Jango we see him look up at Boba who is watching intently. That leads us to believe that Boba will kill him as revenge. This would also help Boba to become as feared and respected as he is in the OT because he would have killed a Jedi Master while only a teen. We also figure that if he does kill Mace he would have to disintegrate him because it would make Vader's line to him in ESB that much more meaningful.

That being said I think that Boba killing Mace would go along better with the pieces of the story that need to fall into place.

However, nothing would be better eye candy than to see an extended, dramatic, edge-of-your-seat duel between Vader and Mace. I'm talking the kind of duel that, even though we know that Mace will die in the end and Vader will live on, it is still so grand that we cannot help but to sit on the edge of our seats regardless of the fact that we know the inevitible outcome.

Although Boba killing Mace would be better for the story, Vader killing Mace would be better visually. There's the rub. Do we care more about the story or the eye candy?

Could we have both and have a long, epic duel between Vader and Mace that ends with Vader wounding Mace at which point Vader steps aside and up walks Boba who finishes Mace off by disintegration? Does anyone think that that could work so we get the best of both scenarios?

[maddog62]

Maybe more than two are fighting between each other and Boba is flying aroud the firing at will at the same time.

[Jedi Master Gandalf]

I'd want Fett to fight Mace at first, but the Jedi quickly beats him. Then Vader steps in and disposes of him.

[Darth Vegas]

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MAYBE BOBA IS ONLY 14 IN EPISODE 3!?!?!?!?

He is not going to fight !!!!!!!

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[Almighty Wookie]

Erm, if the Clone Wars end at the 'beginning' of the film, then the majority of the film WILL be set ofter the Clone Wars, hence the clone wars 'ending' part.

Also my point about the Jedi being separated could be possible if some of them realise what Palpatine is up to, and the others may think his view is right. Plus Bail Organa doesn't agree with Palpatine's actions in Ep II, especially with the look of dread on his face as the Clone armies were mobilzing, so he would be a good contender for leading the Seperatists if the get a big enough army.

[DblDwn]

Originally posted by Agent Bond A.KA. TK-007@Aug. 14 2002 - 15:53
He is not going to fight !!!!!!!
I personally never said that he would fight. I said that Vader would render Mace helpless and defensless against Boba walking up and finishing him off.

[Jedi Master Gandalf]

Boba Fett has to have something to do with Mace's death, or else it will just seem...weird. But I still want Vader to be the one to kill him.

[DblDwn]

I hear what you are saying JMG but please allow me to map out both your and my scenarios:

Yours: Boba begins to fight Mace so that he can get revenge for Jango's death. However Mace is too stong and powerful for Boba to even contend with and Boba faces certain death. In walks Vader to save Boba and ultimately he kills Mace after a great duel.

Mine: Vader and Mace fight. It is arguably the greatest duel in the saga. Inevitibly Vader disarms and all but destroys Master Windu. They exchange a few words (Vader possibly revealing to Mace that he is Anakin) and everyone assumes that Vader is about to kill Mace. Suddenly Vader maybe senses something or not but steps aside and up walks little Boba Fett with the same look of hatred we saw in AOTC. Mace is helpless and defensless. Boba maybe says something to Mace about this being for his father and he kills him. Whether it is disintegration or not doesn't really matter but I would rather it was to go along better with ESB.

Now while both of our scenarios are plausible I know I am biased to say but I think that mine would be the 'darker' of the two and this movie is going to be all about 'darkness'. Having Vader step aside and allow Boba to get revenge would be a reason why Boba and Vader have a certain background in ESB. From Vader talking to Boba about "No disintegrations' to the way Boba seems to talk back to Vader about Han at Bespin, it always seemed like they had a history together and I think that this would serve as a good way to create it.

[Jedi Master Gandalf]

First off, Vader doesn't really "save" Boba, he just sees an opportunity to kill Mace.

I like your idea and they do seem to have some history in ESB.

[Pepper]

I think maddog's right. *We DO tend to read too much into every little detail of SW. *I'm as guilty as anyone. *However, I too was under the impression that there were other colors besides the red, blue, and green we've seen before, and that impression was from the Hasbro action figures, and from the way-cool "Jedi Power Battles" game (which I've been playing a lot on my Dreamcast recently). *In the JPB game Ki-Adi Mundi has a purple saber, Adi Gallia has a "crimson" saber which to me looks more pinkish than red, Mace has a blue saber (yes, blue), and my favorite in this game, Plo Koon, has a yellow saber. *And of course Qui-Gon has green and Obi-Wan has blue. *I was just saying to my friend that they need to make a JPB II and include some of the stuff from AOTC. *They REALLY need to make a JPB II ! *(Are you listening LucasArts??)
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What I was disappointed with in AOTC was that we saw very little of Ki-Adi Mundi and extremely little of Plo Koon, and they both had *blue* sabers, not purple and yellow like in the JPB game. *Rumor has it, though, that we'll see some cut footage of them both in the AOTC DVD, which I'm eagerly looking forward to seeing.

[Senator Theant]

Great idea guys . . .

Scenario #1: Good, yet lacks the drama needed in Boba's exacting revenge.

Scenario #2: (I agree with this one more, of the two) Better yet unlikely in that Anakin would leave Windu to be finished off by a boy nearly half his age. Remember the final step to embracing the Dark Side is striking down those whom you have defeated. More importantly, would be striking down those with emotional attachments.



A third theory:
Boba (hired by Vader) tracks down Mace, Yoda and other escapees from the temple, and shoots their vessel down. Vader arrives with his legion of stormtroopers, and Boba engages the other Jedi onboard. A heated battle between Jedi, stormtroopers, Vader, and Boba follows. A few Jedi are dissentigrated (lending credit to the ESB quote) and Ki-Adi-Mundi (another very significant Jedi) is stricken down by an enraged Boba. Boba is fervently attempting to reach Windu, while Vader methodically strikes down his former comrades and walks slowly to an awaiting Windu. An epic lightsaber battle ensues, and Boba (occupied with other battles) makes every attempt to engage Windu at the same time as Vader. Windu brushes off Boba's lasers, dissintegration bolts, what have you. Vader finishes Windu permanently and Boba appears frustrated. Verbally or not, Vader offers Boba the resources to hunt down the remaining Jedi in the universe, and make a name for himself.

[Darth Vegas]

Star Wars producer Rick Mcallum, recently said that Hugh Jackman. a.k.a. Wolverine, will have a part in Episode 3.

It has been rumered, even around the Ranch, that Jackman will play a Mandalorian, a friend of Jango's, that takes Boba in.

Boba being only 14 will not yet have the skills to track down his bounties, or to fight, but Jackman's character would.

Perhaps Jackman's character first hunts down Mace, and Boba goes with him, and then allows Boba to give him the final blow. :scratchchin:

[Jedi Master Shaft]

I liked the game Jedi Power Battles but many people thought it was much too repetitive. It was repetitive indeed and I highly doubt there will be a number 2.

I'm looking forward to this Jedi Raid scene, too. It has been said somewhere on the Official Site recently that it looked very well with the special effects completed.

If you need a Expanded Universe explanation for Master Windu's purple sabre then I think your theory is quite good, Rogue_0009.


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[Jedi Ulic]

I don't buy GL giving SLJ a different colour lightsaber just because he asked for it. I reckon he threw it in to create speculation. Is Mace good or bad? Certainly enough people (including myself) are wondering.

[DblDwn]

My whole thought process Senator T is to come up with a scenario that is both dark, the basis of the movie, and also something that would both be great eye candy and go along with the events of the OT.

[Jedi Master Shaft]

Why would Master Windu be bad ?

Because the color of his weapon is a mix between blue and red ? It's not possible.

Anakin Skywalker and Count Dooku are already Jedi-turned-Sith. There can't be a third one.

Mace Windu may be quite arrogant and he may have his own sabre color but he is a powerful, and good Jedi Master.


Sam Jackson wanted purple. Sam Jackson had purple. No more. No less.

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[MasterJedi]

Well I saw an interview with him and they asked the question of why his is the only purple. He said with all the green/blues lightsabers going everywear he wanted a purple lightsaber so he would standout.

[Jedi D'oh]

i just dont see GL giving out a different color saber to one person just cause they ask for it. if thats the case, maybe hayden c. wanted an orange one and why not? it obviously wasnt the one luke gets cause this one was destroyed. now before anyone gets riled up, i dont know if hayden requested an orange saber, just an example!!!

as for SLJ giving the explanations in interviews, does anyone else think that he is only saying that because the real answer would give away something from epIII? you know GL wouldn't like that.

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[MasterJedi]

Maybe GL didnt just let him have his own color lightsaber for free. Maybe SLJ payed. And Hayde not beeing in the movie business doesnt have the money to pay to get his own color or he just doesnt want, so he'll takes blue.

[Darth Whaler]

There's an echo in this thread! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

Lucas will give us a reason for the purple saber. Perhaps in Ep. 3, perhaps in the novelization where more can be explained. Just my hope.

PS Ki-Adi Mundi wasn't in Jedi Power Battles was he? Was there a different version of the game that I missed out on?

[Jedi D'oh]

i thought the 5 jedi to choose from in JPB were: obi-wan, qui-gon, adi gallia, mace, and plo koon. am i right? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/saber.gif

[borgmatrix]

Originally posted by Rinc@Aug. 08 2002 - 18:50
Mace seems a bit arrogant though (and IMO is one of the ones Yoda was referring to in the scene with Mace and Obi-Wan in the jedi temple) and likes to show his power.
I thought Yoda was referring to Obi-wan. And how was Mace arrogant? I never got that impression once.

[JadiaMaster]

I also hope that they make a JPB2 cause the only sytem I have that it's out for is GBA and I just got a GCN, so they should make on for that! Now, Plo should have his yellow one like the action figure and the game. Saesee should have that orange one Hasbro gave him. Mace should have his violet. Adi should have her crimson. I, personally, think Yaddle should get a bright pink one!!(for a change) Ya kno why? Cause attack of the clones would have been alot better with different color lightsaber blades. Blue and Green for the main characters(Qui-Gon, Obi-Wan, Anakin, and Luke) Red for the sith (Maul, Tyranus, Vader) and an assortment of colors for the rest. Anything you can make transparent (red,blue,green,neon,yellow,orange,purple,violet,c rimson,pink,light blue, is there anymore colors???)

[Mann]

Just wondering, but does nyone realize the strong similarities between Anakin and Boba Fett? They both had just one parent which they love more than anything, and that parent was killed in Episode III. Not to mention they both have a grudge against the JEdi for the death of their parents. They are both Excellent pilots and have unusually advanced skills. I think the link between them will lead them to join forces against Mace with Boba taking the final blow by using Mace's Lightsaber against him.

[Jedi D'oh]

when i heard mace had a purple saber and that there were many jedi in the final battle, i was so hoping for many different colored blades. green and blue are cool, but i would think there would be many more due to personality of jedi. i know the EU is not to be taken with the movies, but the jedi all had different color blades and i always thought a variety of clor would be nifty! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/saber.gif

[DblDwn]

Exactly Michael Mann they are very much alike and as I said above they seem to have a history, if you will I'm not claiming that they dated or anything, in the OT which could be explained around the events of Mace's death.

[Jedi Master Gandalf]

Senator, I really like Scenario 3. I just want Vader vs. Mace to be the best, most intriguing battle of the entire saga. If Yoda and Obi-Wan are trying to get away during the battle, Mace will always be remembered as the honorable Jedi who gave his life to ensure the safety of his comrades.

Agent Bond, just in case you didn't hear, Rick McCallum recently shot down that rumor. He said that he thought the question was if [the actor that plays] Sio Bibble would return, and he of course said yes. Little did he know, the question was actually, "Will Hugh Jackman be in Episode 3?" and the rest is history.

So that's that. Jackman will not be in Ep3.

[Zane Marit]

Originally posted by Agent Bond A.KA. TK-007@Aug. 15 2002 - 05:40
Star Wars producer Rick Mcallum, recently said that Hugh Jackman. a.k.a. Wolverine, will have a part in Episode 3.

It has been rumered, even around the Ranch, that Jackman will play a Mandalorian, a friend of Jango's, that takes Boba in.

Boba being only 14 will not yet have the skills to track down his bounties, or to fight, but Jackman's character would.

Perhaps Jackman's character first hunts down Mace, and Boba goes with him, and then allows Boba to give him the final blow. *style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/scratchchin.gif
Was I in a cave the last 2 days??? When the hell did this come out???

Last I heard...RM was DENYING the Hugh was even being considered for a role...

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[Senator Theant]

If I had a penny for every casting rumor . . .

The only way we can sort through the infinite amount of rumors we have would be to start its source.

"Someone said this recently". Shouldnt amount to much anything. Sorry to be so rude, but I would really like to know where important people say these things. No beef, just frustration.

DblDwn . . .

I see what you mean. Capture the spirit and all. I understand. Your scenario plays nicely along those lines. But consider what I said about striking those who matter to yo, like you enemies or your allies.

[Mann]

I have casting info:

Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader: Hayden Christensen
Padme: Natalie Portman
Obi-Wan Kenobi: Ewan McGregor
Palpatine: Ian McDiarmid
Mace Windu: Samuel L. Jackson
Yoda(voice): Frank Oz
Count Dooku: Christopher Lee-as of right now if he lives long enough
Bail Organa: Jimmy Smitts
anybody else got any info?

[maddog62]

Agent Bond why do you think it is so difficult for boba to get his age speeded( don't ask) up like the Millions and Millions of the other clones that Jango produced. This is Star Wars and very possible and I will stick with the EU explaination that Aurra Sing takes Boba as a Apprentice of bounty hunting untill GL proves me wronge I want Boba to Kill Mace and I want to see his Legacy.

[Jedi Master Gandalf]

Vader killing Mace will be the perfect opportunity to explore new ground for Sam's character. Its gone in particular steps so far, and it only seems logical.

1. Mace is introduced.
2. We see Mace in action for the first time.
3. We see Mace in an actual lightsaber duel for the first time.

Personally, I want to see Mace fight Vader for two reasons: because Vader just seems the only one worthy to dispose of him, and two, I want to see Mace fight another Jedi!!!

[Jedi Master Gandalf]

I've probably brought this up before, but in the game Jedi Power Battles, Mace has a fighting technique in which he kneels down and controls his lightsaber with the Force. Its an awesome thing to behold, and I would love to see this portrayed in Ep3. Anyone else seen it?

[Pepper]

Quote: "I liked the game Jedi Power Battles but many people thought it was much too repetitive."

I can see why they'd think so, but the game gets better the more you advance, in my opinion. *The more you advance, the more abilities you acquire, and the more characters you unlock. *For example, in the beginning of the game you only have QG, OB1, Mace, Adi, and Plo. *But later on you unlock Ki-Adi and a number of other rather unlikely characters, like Padme, Captain Panaka, a variety of battle droids, Tuskens, and even Darth Maul. *(Yep, Maul. *But only after you defeat him on Tatooine, which is no mean task! ) *A neat thing about the game is that each Jedi has his own abilities, strengths, and weaknesses, and each can "earn" more combo moves and abilities as he progresses through the game. *Another neat thing about it, at least in the Dreamcast version, is the "Vs. Mode", which allows two players to duel each other in an arena, using any character available. *I once kicked Obi-Wan's buttocks with an unarmed pilot battle droid! *Heh-heh, so much for the great Ben Kenobi!
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There's one bad-to-the-bone move that Mace has that my friend recently discovered, where he throws his lightsaber at an enemy and it swirls around hitting him several times. *It's devastating, and I'm not sure yet how to defend against it with Plo Koon.
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[Jedi D'oh]

yes, i have. i liked that game alot. my favorite player was plo koon, but i liked maces powers the best.

on either tf.n or jedinet, there is a fan fiction piece called knightfall. have you read it? if not you should. it is, in my opinion, a great screenplay. it has a mace vs. vader fight in there that does mace justice. :saber:

[DblDwn]

Originally posted by Mann@Aug. 15 2002 - 20:35
I have casting info:

Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader: Hayden Christensen
Padme: Natalie Portman
Obi-Wan Kenobi: Ewan McGregor
Palpatine: Ian McDiarmid
Mace Windu: Samuel L. Jackson
Yoda(voice): Frank Oz
Count Dooku: Christopher Lee-as of right now if he lives long enough
Bail Organa: Jimmy Smitts
anybody else got any info?
Jar Jar: Ahmed Best
Owen Lars: Joel Edgerton
Beru Lars: Bonnie Maree Piesse
Boba Fett: Daniel Logan
R2D2: Kenny Baker
C3PO: Anthony Daniels
The Voice of Vader: James Earl Jones

Those are the only ones I know of right now that are in the movie as well.

Did anyone else see the rumor that Gabriel Bryne (from The Usual Suspects) is close to being cast in Episode III?

[Jedi Master Gandalf]

Jedi D'oh, of course I've read Knightfall! Its a great piece of work, I must say, and it captures the dark nature of Episode 3 perfectly, don't you agree?

DblDwn, I also heard that rumor as well. Along with Byrne, Samantha Morton is supposedly one of Robin Gurland's choices. She spoke to Morton at the Minority Report premiere but I'm not sure where she spoke to Byrne.

[Mann]

I heard Bryne was up for Tarkin. But I can't be sure. What would Morton do? So many characters now....OH wait! Morton is a red head! Mon Mothma!

[Jedi Master Gandalf]

Morton as Mon Mothma; that's a great idea!

[Mann]

I just saw a pic of her, she looks alot like the actress who played Mothma before!

[Jedi Master Gandalf]

She does, now that I think about it. She'd be a good choice for Mon Mothma. But if Byrne is Tarkin, I just hope they make him look like a young Cushing.

[Jedi Master Gandalf]

I hope Mace's death scene is similar to Boromir's death in LOTR. Sad and sorrowful, with a little help from John Williams.

[DblDwn]

That would be money if Byrne played a younger Tarkin. I also like the idea of Morton portraying Mon Mothma.

Great ideas everyone

[Mann]

thanx Dbldwn always a pleasure.

Bryne is about the right age to play a younger Tarkin anyway. wasn't he like 60 in the original?

[Jedi Master Gandalf]

There was another actor that Robin Gurland spoke to, but I forgot. I'll have to get back to you on that.

[Jedi Master Gandalf]

Yeah. Cushing was about 60.

[Jedi Master Gandalf]

Maybe they should scout around for an actor that looks a lot like a younger Peter Cushing.

[Jedi Master Gandalf]

How would you want to see Mace killed? Cut down? Stabbed i.e. Qui-Gon, or maybe from a fall. Maybe Vader could pick him up by the throat and toss him through the windows of the Jedi Council Chamber. Maybe that'd be too cheesy....

[Jedi Master Gandalf]

I think right before Imperial troops arrive at the Jedi Temple, Mace should stand high and give a speech and say that there will be no help for them, and they must stand their ground and fight bravely. I think that'd really help Mace's image for the film, and be proper for his character.

Something along the lines of William Wallace's speech right before they fight the English at Stirling, in Braveheart. A great, proud speech is what Mace needs.

[DblDwn]

Willem Dafoe is also rumored to be a front-runner to land a role in Episode III.

[maddog62]

speaking of Willum Devoe I once said I would like to see Mace die like WD in Platoon. He is runnig to catch the Republic Gunship but they turn and leave him for dead.

[Jedi Master Gandalf]

I'm not too fond of Willem Dafoe, and where did you hear that rumor? I keep up on all of the news.

I'd like Mace to have more of an honorable death than that. One of those death scenes where two opponents are fighting, and its so quick, and suddenly one of them finds a way to stab the other one.

[DblDwn]

first to maddog.........don't laugh but I am a HUGE fan of classic movies. In fact ever since the AFI (American Film Institute) released their top 100 movies of all time I am trying to see them all (I'm up to about 75 of the 100) but one of the ones I have yet to see is Platoon. That is only because it is always on TNT or some other edited channel and i refuse to watch it for the first time like that. my best friend owns it on DVD but he is in the military and traveling back and forth from the middle east so frequently that i have yet to get a chance to watch it. My whole point is that i don't know what you mean by your reference to Platoon concerning Dafoe but please no one say anything.

JMG I read that on some site (whether it was Upcomingmovies.com..........or Cinescape.com.........or it could even have been on TF.N.....I don't recall. Sorry about that. I hate it when people list newfound info and don't back up their claims but I simply forgot on which site it was that i read that.

[maddog62]

One of my favorite movies with a plethera of great actors like WD, Tom Barrenger, C. Sheen, Forest Witiker, and Jonny Depp. Great story, great realistic action, great climax. Oliver Stone's Masterpiece. (sorry about the Actor's name spell.) It's a must Buy now and see soon.

[Mann]

Oliver Stone's on really good movie. He really hasn't done anything to top it.

Dbldwn, I love classic movies also. I have seen all of the top 100 but City lights, All about Eve and Easy Rider.

[Senator Theant]

Well this isnt a rumor so dont go about lookin on the web for this. Since we were on the topic, I thought of another person that could play the young Tarkin in EP III. A favorite film of mine (and not of many other people, let me tell you) is Sphere. Despite Hoffman's poor portrayal as an action figure, the movie featured some pretty good photography and an excellent soundtrack, but thats another topic. Peter Coyote played exceptionally well the role of a military authoritarian as Cpt Barnes. The guy is pretty old, but a few touch-ups'll do wonders in this day and age:

A pic from his website, where he's apparently experiencing a midlife crisis:


The Official Peter Coyote Website (http://http://www.petercoyote.com/)

Besides, the guys had the same initials as Peter Cushing.

[Jedi Master Gandalf]

I'd want an unknown to play the young Tarkin. Someone who really looks like Cushing, but we don't know who he is. It would be easier to visualize.

Thanks, DblDwn. I appreciate it.

[Jedi Master Gandalf]

I just saw a picture of Gabriel Byrne, and in it he looks EXACTLY like Cushing. I think Byrne would be perfect.

[MastaKilla]

I think that Anakin will kill him just as he has turned to the DrakSide style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/devil.gif



Rest will die in the Clone Wars style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/skullwink.gif

[Jedi Master Gandalf]

Please get rid of that picture, its a little agitating.

[DblDwn]

Originally posted by Jedi Master Gandalf@Aug. 19 2002 - 00:14
I just saw a picture of Gabriel Byrne, and in it he looks EXACTLY like Cushing. I think Byrne would be perfect.
I agree.........that would be an excellent casting choice

[Jedi Master Gandalf]

I'm sure he could sound a lot like Cushing, too. Ewan McGregor seems to pull off a young Alec Guinness nicely.

[DblDwn]

Yeah what is up with that picture anyway?

Somebody been listening to John Tesh CD's backwards or something?

[Jedi Master Gandalf]

Originally posted by DblDwn@Aug. 20 2002 - 00:56
Yeah what is up with that picture anyway?
LOL :lol:

It takes up way too much space and its annoying.

[rsvader9190]

I would like to see darth vader fight him first, weaken him, then boba fett comes in, weakens him down some more, then Vader takes out the rest of his energy. Then, when Windu's exhausted, Boba Fett pulls out his blaster, aims right for Windu's forehead, and....no more Windu. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/saber.gif ;)

[Baron Rasadar]

I would like to see the storm troopers pour into the temple. Then, they'll kill all the jedi except Mace Windu. Then darth Vader steps in, and Mace and Vader go into a full fledged battle with Vader eventually killing Mace Windu in the end.

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by JediBendu@Jun 19 2002, 01:10 PM
came across this while trying to find something else *from Empire mag online:

But what would it take to bring down the legendary Mace Windu? “Oh it would take both of them,” he says, eyeing up his co-stars. “It would have to be a combination of Anakin, Dooku and a Sith, ‘cause I don’t think any of them could take Mace on their own.”

Granted he's probably just being the bad mother he is but GL was also present so maybe...
Here's something interesting. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbsup.gif

[Obi-Stu]

I think Boba Fett will "disintergrate" Mace somehow.

[Darth Vegas]

I'd like to see that, but not until Mace is heavily injured, a 12 or 13 year old boy, even though it is Boba Fett, will not stand a chance in a fight with Windu, nor do I think Vader (who is but a LEARNER in episode 3) will be able to pull it off alone.

Mace probably is just as powerful as Yoda, or nearly, we just have not yet seen the full extent of his powers.

[Frendon]

Originally posted by Obi-Stu@Oct 3 2002, 05:04 AM
I think Boba Fett will "disintergrate" Mace somehow.
i agree with you i have said it before, that way Vader's line "Use no Disintegration" in ESB will be a great connection to the pt

[Jedi D'oh]

I just read a minute ago on Scifi.com (in the Sci-Fi wire section) an interview with SLJ on Mace's death.

He says that he and GL had a lunch meeting and talked about the deatch scene. SLJ tells this will be a dramatic, dynamic death. His is the most important death scene as the other jedi (Yoda, Obi, Vader) are still alive in IV-VI.

Lucas told him it will be great, but he's still working out the details of it.

[Martini]

seems like the only person who has Lucas by the balls is Jackson. he does what he wants. but even so, he's basically the second ranked jedi in this trilogy so his death should be an important one. as for the others, i want them to die cause they are in the way of a suited vader and an angered mace

[Jedi D'oh]

That's sort of what he was saying, that Mace's death is probably the most imporrtant one.

[Sith1977]

What does it mean, an important death ? My guess is that his death will be Anakin´s turn towards the dark side. Maybe Windu will be Vader´s first victim.

[Jedi D'oh]

i think "important death" means that this movie will have alot of jedi death, maybe padme death. mace being one of the highest order of jedi will not go out like a chump.

i like to think that when vader is VADER in the suit, he will have his first major skirmish with mace and kill him. but he will already have turned to the dark side, maces death wont do that to him.

[Jedi Master Shaft]

Here is the article from sci-fi.com:

Jackson Reveals Mace Windu Fate

Samuel L. Jackson told SCI FI Wire that he is preparing for his character Mace Windu's big death scene in Star Wars: Episode III. "I know what's going to happen," Jackson said in an interview. "I gotta go there. I gotta die."

Jackson went on to explain that he had a lunch meeting with George Lucas last month, during which time he tried to find out details of his character's impending demise. "We were just talking about stuff," Jackson said. "And then [Lucas] finally said, 'Okay, so you know you've got to die. I haven't quite figured out how I'm going to kill you yet, because I guess you're the most important guy that's going to die. In the other ones, Obi-Wan is still there and Yoda's still alive and Darth is still there.' So I become the most important character that can die. I guess it's got to be pretty dynamic. So he's working that out." Star Wars: Episode III goes into production in June 2003 for a May 2005 release.

Good. Then Master Windu will finally have a good death. But another thing is said there. Something MUCH MORE IMPORTANT than the fact that Mace will die dynamically.

Padmé Amidala will defintely not die in Episode III !

Wake up Senators ! ( style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif ) Who is more important in the Prequels, Padmé Amidala, the female character of the three films, wife of Anakin Skywalker, Queen of Naboo then Senator of the Republic, or Mace Windu, the Jedi Master who was a cameo in Episode One, a cool bounty hunter killer in Clones, and who will have a pivotal role in Episode III ?

They are both important but Padmé Amidala is the more important. And George Lucas said to Samuel L. Jackson: "You're the most important guy that's going to die."

If Mace Windu is the most important character in Episode III that is going to die as George Lucas said ( and he's a good source,... ), then you can be SURE that Padmé Amidala will definitely not die in the next STAR WARS.

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[Jedi Master Shaft]

Originally posted by jedi-d'oh@Oct 7 2002, 09:42 PM
i like to think that when vader is VADER in the suit, he will have his first major skirmish with mace and kill him. but he will already have turned to the dark side, maces death wont do that to him.
Wasn't it said by James Earl Jones a few days ago that Darth Vader ( with the armour ) will only be seen in the last 5 minutes of the movie, 'When Anakin goes bionic',...?

I guess that Mace Windu won't be killed by the suited Darth Vader,... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif


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[Jedi D'oh]

Still hard to tell yet. But as to your post, he is the most important GUY to die. maybe thats a clue too. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[Jedi Master Shaft]

Well, then if George Lucas only talks about GUYS, then it's another proof ( to me, but I'd take anything as a proff, I really want spoilers ! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif ) that we won't see a chick dying,... Padmé Amidala will live ! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif


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[Jedi D'oh]

Well, i wouldn't mind having her live on, but her fate should be known, not implied. At least we get to see Mace die in a blaze not a fizzle. (I hope)

[Jedi Master Shaft]

I think that Padmé Amidala's fate will be 'implied', as you said in Episode III, and will be fully explained in the Ultimate Edition.

Padmé Amidala will live !!! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif At least, Lucas follow the rules he established in the OT !


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[Jedi D'oh]

if it's explained in the UE, then i will be happy with an implied death. but if it's explained, is it still implied?

what i meant was like having her end up on Alderaan in III then the planet blows up in IV. That would be implied in my opinion.

guess we'll have to wait and see huh? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/banghead.gif

[Jedi Master Shaft]

Indeed. Wait and See.


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[Martini]

see this is just Star Wars dork talk. thats all. the average person whose gonna see EP3 in 2005 is not gonna know anything about this stupid Ultimate Edition. so everyone is presuming that the only guys that are gonna live is yoda, obi-wan, vader and sidious. its quite simple. so padme is going to die just so no confusing occurs right after people see EP3

[Jedi D'oh]

so why's it gotta be dork talk? cause you know better? doubtful. it's speculation and wondering. by the way, since we have no names like "trekkies", we are ALL star wars geeks. you can't deny it.

even though you may not be a geek in the traditional sense ( i have long hair, play guitar, and have a life outside of SW) ala the Simpsons "ooh, a fat sarcastic star trek fan" (no offense to anyone) we are still all SW geeks. AND WE RULE OVER TREKKIES!

[borgmatrix]

Originally posted by jedi-d'oh@Oct 8 2002, 04:51 PM
AND WE RULE OVER TREKKIES!
I honestly don't know where this "trekkie" nonsense comes from. I'm a fan of a lot of things, and I don't see special names being used for any of it. So why is there a special word for Trek fans? That's crap. I'm a Star Trek fan, plain and simple.

[Martini]

cause star trek has been done again and again and again. its old and tired

[Jedi D'oh]

the fans themselves gave the name. that plus the media. but fans of ST are known as trekkies. I only like classic Trek and next generation. not a fan of the other stuff. no offense meant, borgmatrix.

[Jors_Dedon]

Dear Jedi Master Shaft,
You are entitled to your opinion just as much as any other sentient in this galaxy. (Duh, you don't need me to tell you) The importance of this website is to spread our knowledge and learn from each other as we discuss our opinions, news, etc., etc. But I would have to heartily disagree with you about Padme Amidala (Padme Naberrie by birth) and say that she is most likely going to die. True, about the article with Sam Jack, he is probably going to have the biggest holding-him-in-my-arms deathscene. But, does anyone remember
Luke- "Leia. Do you remember your mother?"
Leia- "No, she died when I was very young."

[Brian]

Link for said artile: click here (http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/print.cgi?2002-10/07/15.00.film).

[Isomorph]

I think whats going to make his death dramatic is the fact that Anakin will be the one to do away with him and Sam Jackson has made statements to the effect that he thinks Anakin should be the one to do him in,or the Emperor.Either way would be cool.

[QuigonWindu]

Well we knew he would die did it say how he was gonna die.

[Jedi D'oh]

nope, not yet.

[sithlordrandy]

I think we will see suited Vader shortly before the music build into the final credits in EP 3. We see the black leather in 2 and we know his arm is gone at the end. Obviously, Anakin will be farther along for the majority of 3 and we will see him kill Mace Windu. I think we also need to see Obi kick Anakin's ass but good in ep 3 to make the confrontation in 4 more poignant and significant.

[Lonesabre]

A rumour I heard a while ago is that Mace Windu is a traiter. After watching the DvD a few times, Im beginning to agree with this theory. He seems to be too quick to dismiss Padmes fears of Count Dookus involvment in the assasination attempts for one. He also seems to knowingly go after Jango {sabre to the throat} as if he knows that Jango could blow his cover.

Another theory I had was that Qui-Gon is a traitor but I can see that this is being discussed in a few threads already.

Enjoy ripping this one to threads! :look:

[Darth Bigalow]

i will kill lucas if mace windu is a traitor, he dismisses count dooku being behind the assasination because they were friends when dooku was a jedi, mace knows nothing of him going to the dark side and only of him making a seperatist movement. and he kills jango because jango was shooting at him. is he just gonna stand there and let himself be shot???? He doesnt see dooku as being a bad guy to them just because he has a seperatist, so the idea to him is perpostuous

[SithWitch]

I remember seeing something in an OLD OLD
script about a traitor named Mace, and I looked
on the Jedi Bendu Starkiller site with the scripts
http://www.starwarz.com/starkiller but could not
find it again... Has anybody else seen these
old scripts?

I kinda suspect that it is all Dooku. Remember,
the Jedi don't know Dooku is behind the CLONES
on Kamino ... yet. "Only a Jedi (traitor) could
have erased those files .... But who?" They
would not suspect Dooku because the clones
were used AGAINST him.

So either it is ONLY DOOKU and ANAKIN that
go bad or a A BUNCH OF JEDI are "swayed"
(Dooku, Anakin, Mace ... Jocasta?). To have
JUST MACE go bad would dilute the Anakin
arc. If ANAKIN was just ONE OF the traitors
it doesn't seem as terrible that he went bad.

I think this has been covered in more detail
on other threads?

[Lonesabre]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>I think this has been covered in more detail
on other threads?[/b][/quote]

I thought so to but couldnt find a relevant thread so started this one.

[Angel_Blue]

A long time ago in a thread far far away..................this topic was already discussed.

[Lonesabre]

...And now we're discussing it again...

[Darth Vegas]

There is one bit of evidence that amost completely tears this theory to shreds............................................ .............
.................on the AOTC DVD Lucas states in the commentary that Mace is going to bite the dust at the end of the Clone Wars, which we all know is going to take place at the beginning of the film.

It wasn't long ago that Sam Jackson stated that he may go out fighting two Sith Lords.

I won't be so quick to take his word for it, but if you put two and two together, it makes seems that it would be more prudent to have Dooku die earlier in the film, leaving room for Palpatine to lure his new apprentice. So a possble conclusion is that Mace will die fighting the Sith, and he will be the one to slay the Count.

You cant use Mace's line about Dooku not being able to do such a thing as assassinate someone as evidence in your case. Right after Mace said that Ki-Adi Mundi chimed in too on Dooku's behalf.

Later on in the film Mace is ready to kick some Separatist ass when Obi-Wan sends his second message, and he is captured.

From that point on, Mace understands that Dooku is a traitor.

Why did he hold lightsaber to Jango's neck, instead of just going for Dooku?

I'm sure Mace noted his jet pack and heavy arsenal of weapons, and realized that Mr. Fett would have been right behind him, making Mace and easy target for the bounty hunter. He took every neccessary precaution.


The traitors are Dooku, and if he indeed alive and living a rather "insidious" life style, Sifo Dyas.

[Lonesabre]

Fair points.

Do you think it is possible that Yoda was refering to Mace particularly when he said about arrogance being a trait more and more common amongst jedi -even the older ones?

[Master Cephus]

I don't know if GL can fix it to where Mace is a traitor. I believe that he is not a traitor. The only traitor is Dooku.

Just My .02 Cents (beau@hiwaay.net)

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by Lonesabre@Nov 18 2002, 04:35 AM
Do you think it is possible that Yoda was refering to Mace particularly when he said about arrogance being a trait more and more common amongst jedi -even the older ones?
Not a chance. Mace has never seemed over confident of his own abilities.

[Lonesabre]

Who was he refering to then any ideas? Maybe he had an inclination about Dooku?

[Lonesabre]

Sorry if all this seems a bit pointless, I just want to iron over every forseeable crease to work out whats going to happen in EpIII!

[JediKeri.]

hm...I think I recall reading in the book that Mace and faced Jango before the Fight on Geonosis...

[Lonesabre]

Really... What book? The AOTC novelization?

[JediKeri.]

Yeah...it's been a while since I read it, but I do think it's in there.

[Lonesabre]

Does anyone know what this past meeting was about then?

Ive only listened to the audio book and havent read the novel. I dont think its on the audio book.

[JediKeri.]

I don't think it said..sorry Lonesaber

[justafan]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Do you think it is possible that Yoda was refering to Mace particularly when he said about arrogance being a trait more and more common amongst jedi -even the older ones?
[/b][/quote]

No, he was speaking about Qui Gon, and, a little about Obi Wan, I believe. These two are the only ones we are aware of in the story, as far as character info/history. Also, Yoda knows something about Dooku's leaving, so maybe Yoda's remark has something to do with Dooku as well.

[Darth Vegas]

When was Obi-Wan ever arrogant?

[DblDwn]

Originally posted by Agent Bond A.K.A. TK-007@Nov 18 2002, 04:05 AM
Why did he hold lightsaber to Jango's neck, instead of just going for Dooku?


Also because Jedi don't just pull out their lightsabers and attack unarmed adversaries, no matter how dangerous the adversary may be. Whenever I think of the Jedi I am reminded of Mr. Myagi in The Karate Kid, "Karate for defense only." The Jedi follow the same code. For Mace to walk up and kill Dooku right away or to finish his swing and lob off Jango's head a little earlier than he does would have been actions which would be dangling close to the Dark Side.

[StarWarsFan1]

Originally posted by Agent Bond A.K.A. TK-007@Nov 18 2002, 06:05 AM
It wasn't long ago that Sam Jackson stated that he may go out fighting two Sith Lords.


Well we know who one sith lord is that is sidious(palpatine) but we do not know if he weilds a light saber if that is true he must but would he fight darth or Count?

[Jedi D'oh]

Originally posted by Agent Bond A.K.A. TK-007@Nov 18 2002, 11:22 AM
When was Obi-Wan ever arrogant?
At the end of TPM. Yoda says "Qui-Gon's defiance I sense in you. Need that, you do not."

The training of Anakin was what Yoda reffered to Obi about, I think.

[justafan]

Thanks, Jedi D'oh,

you beat me to a response.

I thought his defiance was obvious. Remember the discourse between Qui Gon and Obi, regarding how Qui Gon might be on the council by now?

[Lonesabre]

Thats the disobedience I was thinking about.

[Darth Vegas]

Jedi-d'oh, defiance is not arrogance. Defiance is standing up for what you believe , even if the law considers it wrong.

Some examples would include Galileo, the early Christian Church, the film "Flashdance", ect. etc.


Obi-Wan brought up the subject in the first place, Yoda was not telling him to speak for himself, he was simply saying that the Jedi, were to sure of themselves, including some of the older, and more experienced ones.

Yoda was not referring to Obi-Wan.

[justafan]

Now I am not Miss Cleo, and don't have special powers, but I think the traits of the master rub off on the apprentice. I think Dooku is incredibly arrogant and defiant (and I agree, Agent Bond, with your separate definitions). And, Qui Gon fits the bill, and although tempered with a lack of confidence, Obi Wan still has those traits, especially when dealing with Anakin.

I dont' think Obi was being arrogant or defiant during that discourse with Yoda and Mace, quite the opposite. But in virtually all his interactions with Anakin we see displays of those traits.

[Angel_Blue]

So, if Dooku is arrogant,and traits rub off on the padawan then that would make Yoda arrogant, I don't think so justafan,Yoda is definately not arrogant.

[Javen]

Originally posted by Agent Bond A.K.A. TK-007+Nov 18 2002, 07:46 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Agent Bond A.K.A. TK-007 @ Nov 18 2002, 07:46 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-Lonesabre@Nov 18 2002, 04:35 AM
Do you think it is possible that Yoda was refering to Mace particularly when he said about arrogance being a trait more and more common amongst jedi -even the older ones?
Not a chance. Mace has never seemed over confident of his own abilities.[/b][/quote]
To tell you the truth he has rarely shown his abilities, hopefully we will see more of Mace and his abilities in EP3.

The only thing that seems strange about Mace is how he really seems like nothing is going on, its like hes the most blinded one of the Jedi Council.

[Lonesabre]

Thats what I was kind've getting at Javen, he just doesnt seem to know or care what is going on!

[Master Cephus]

I have a question about Yoda and Dooku. Now was Dooku trained by Yoda like Obi-Wan was trained by Qui-Gon or was he just trained by Yoda like the other jedi children???

[Darth Whaler]

I'm not sure, but my vote would be that Dooku was trained by Yoda like Obi-Wan was trained by Qui-Gon. Yoda says something like "fought well you have, my old Padawan." That says to me that he was an actual apprentice, not just a student in a classroom. But that's just me.

[Angel_Blue]

Originally posted by Javen@Nov 26 2002, 10:16 PM
The only thing that seems strange about Mace is how he really seems like nothing is going on, its like hes the most blinded one of the Jedi Council.
Well,Mace loves the jedi order,he loves peace. He dosn't want to think about all the sith stuff and the clone wars and everything.To show you how Mace feels here's an example:you knew you were going to die in 3 days, you would deny it and go on living normal wouldn't you. I mean, you don't want to die or think about dying so you go into denial and don't believe you will die. Ya' get what I'm sayin'?

[Streen]

I think its safe to say that Count Dooku is the traitor.

-Streen

[maddog62]

I tend to think many Jedi will turn and then be back stabed by the Emperor/Vader

[echoseven]

I think that #1 Anakin will kill Dooku in front of Palpatine. Any other demise sucks. Luke passed the test in front of Palpatine, Anakin won't. #2, Mace will probably be the traitor and will end up dying by Yoda's hands on Dagobah. This will explain the Cave.
I base this one the following circumstantial evidance:
-Mace seems to by spying on Yoda at times in ATOC.
-Mace's lightsaber is purple, half way between blue and red
-Mace's player card in the card game says "this disturbance in the force is growing"

I think Mace gets betrayed by Palpatine. I bet that somehow, he is in league with him and erased Kamino from the Jedi Archives.

[Jango_Fett]

kinda agree wif echoseven on the anakin kill dooku part. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/satisfied.gif

If Darth sidious is indeed palpatine, anakin will then be seen as killing his apprentice to take his place.

In ROTJ, palpatine urged luke to kill his father and take his place.

[Haunted/Hated]

Originally posted by echoseven@Dec 2 2002, 11:36 AM
-Mace's lightsaber is purple, half way between blue and red
Uhh, this is no plot twist at all. Samuel Jackson nagged on GL that he wanted a purple light saber, and GL gave in.

Even if Mace is a traitor, I doubt Sam Jackson knows it, fact is I doubt anyone would know it except GL himself.

[spaceman2386]

Mace is no bad guy and that is the end of that. there are too many other people that have the potential to be bad.

[justafan]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>So, if Dooku is arrogant,and traits rub off on the padawan then that would make Yoda arrogant, I don't think so justafan,Yoda is definately not arrogant.
[/b][/quote]

I'm not implying that the padawan is a duplicate of the master, only that the traits any master usually show in the apprentice. Perhaps Yoda's attitude has been tempered with time. Maybe Dooku was always a little more flamboyant with his abilities.

Yoda doesn't have to be openly arrogant at the points we see him to not have had the trait. My experience has been that those who are truly meek have once been truly pious. Perhaps that is why he detests it so much now.

*

I've been giving the thought that Mace is a traitor much time lately. I would like to say that it would hurt me to see that he is, but I can see him as being involved unwittingly. Trickery and deceipt are the ways of the dark side, right? We know that politcal views play an important role in the current struggle. Perhaps Mace has fallen into a trap where he believes he is doing what is best, albeit underhanded, for the Republic. The Jedi are sworn to keep the peace, but if it were known that they were amassing an army, wouldn't that look bad? So Mace, and maybe others, feel that preparing an army to spring at the right time would quelsh any struggling Separatist movement, and maintain peace. Much like the USSR did--keeping peace by having the biggest army. So the real Syfo-Dyas orders the clones, Mace erases the archives, and Dooku, after a heated debate with Mace and Syfo as to how far their actions should reach, kills Syfo and leaves the order. Mace is the only one left, and keeps his mouth shut, hoping that noone will ever come across the Kaminoians or the clones.

Now fast forward to the end of the Clone Wars. Countless people have died, the Separatists have grown in popularity for whatever reason, they are now called rebels. What Mace has done in a hope for prevention has turned into the worst thing to ever happen. As Dooku is dying (at the hands of Mace?) he reveals the truth to Mace, in an attempt to turn the attention to Palpy. Mace realizes his error, and that he has become an unwitting traitor to the Jedi and to the Republic. In a valiant attempt at redemption, he sacrifices himself much in the way the Agent Bond has outlined in his thread.

I can see something similar to this playing out, where we can see how Mace's good intentions ( and beguilement by the Dark side) get turned around. We are now left feeling pity and sorrow for one of our favorite characters, and GL has given us another unexpected twist that will become popular icon fodder.

I am braced for your opinions! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/inlove.gif

[justafan]

This would also explain why Mace is determined to eradicate Jango. He can spill the beans at any minute!

[Jacen Solo]

Originally posted by justafan@Dec 3 2002, 12:28 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>So, if Dooku is arrogant,and traits rub off on the padawan then that would make Yoda arrogant, I don't think so justafan,Yoda is definately not arrogant.


I'm not implying that the padawan is a duplicate of the master, only that the traits any master usually show in the apprentice. Perhaps Yoda's attitude has been tempered with time. Maybe Dooku was always a little more flamboyant with his abilities.

Yoda doesn't have to be openly arrogant at the points we see him to not have had the trait. My experience has been that those who are truly meek have once been truly pious. Perhaps that is why he detests it so much now.

*

I've been giving the thought that Mace is a traitor much time lately. I would like to say that it would hurt me to see that he is, but I can see him as being involved unwittingly. Trickery and deceipt are the ways of the dark side, right? We know that politcal views play an important role in the current struggle. Perhaps Mace has fallen into a trap where he believes he is doing what is best, albeit underhanded, for the Republic. The Jedi are sworn to keep the peace, but if it were known that they were amassing an army, wouldn't that look bad? So Mace, and maybe others, feel that preparing an army to spring at the right time would quelsh any struggling Separatist movement, and maintain peace. Much like the USSR did--keeping peace by having the biggest army. So the real Syfo-Dyas orders the clones, Mace erases the archives, and Dooku, after a heated debate with Mace and Syfo as to how far their actions should reach, kills Syfo and leaves the order. Mace is the only one left, and keeps his mouth shut, hoping that noone will ever come across the Kaminoians or the clones.

Now fast forward to the end of the Clone Wars. Countless people have died, the Separatists have grown in popularity for whatever reason, they are now called rebels. What Mace has done in a hope for prevention has turned into the worst thing to ever happen. As Dooku is dying (at the hands of Mace?) he reveals the truth to Mace, in an attempt to turn the attention to Palpy. Mace realizes his error, and that he has become an unwitting traitor to the Jedi and to the Republic. In a valiant attempt at redemption, he sacrifices himself much in the way the Agent Bond has outlined in his thread.

I can see something similar to this playing out, where we can see how Mace's good intentions ( and beguilement by the Dark side) get turned around. We are now left feeling pity and sorrow for one of our favorite characters, and GL has given us another unexpected twist that will become popular icon fodder.

I am braced for your opinions! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/inlove.gif[/b][/quote]

I like your ideas.
Hey, who trained Mace Windu? Was it Yoda?

[echoseven]

Originally posted by Haunted/Hated+Dec 3 2002, 07:09 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Haunted/Hated @ Dec 3 2002, 07:09 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-echoseven@Dec 2 2002, 11:36 AM
-Mace's lightsaber is purple, half way between blue and red
Uhh, this is no plot twist at all. Samuel Jackson nagged on GL that he wanted a purple light saber, and GL gave in.

Even if Mace is a traitor, I doubt Sam Jackson knows it, fact is I doubt anyone would know it except GL himself.[/b][/quote]
That may be so, or it may just be a load of crap to cover the ovious difference.

[Haunted/Hated]

Originally posted by echoseven+Dec 3 2002, 01:38 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(echoseven @ Dec 3 2002, 01:38 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'>
Originally posted by Haunted/Hated@Dec 3 2002, 07:09 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-echoseven@Dec 2 2002, 11:36 AM
-Mace's lightsaber is purple, half way between blue and red
Uhh, this is no plot twist at all. Samuel Jackson nagged on GL that he wanted a purple light saber, and GL gave in.

Even if Mace is a traitor, I doubt Sam Jackson knows it, fact is I doubt anyone would know it except GL himself.
That may be so, or it may just be a load of crap to cover the ovious difference.[/b][/quote]
You can even see him talking to GL about it in the extras on the DVD. I think it has to do with his love for the Toronto Raptors style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif And it still looks more blue than red.

Plus, Jackson always talks alot in interviews on how he want to have a worthy death. Death as a traitor seems a bit distanced from that.

BTW, is there anyone else but me who is amazed that Sam L Jackson didn't say "mother****er" even once in the entire movie? Remember first time I saw it, and he said "this party's over" it just felt weird that he didn't adda "mother****er style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

[justafan]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Death as a traitor seems a bit distanced from that.
[/b][/quote]

Not as a true traitor. In my example he was doing what he thought was best for the universe, not what was an intentional defiant act. He can have a worthy death, sacrificing himself for the good of others. Anakin had the same type of death, was that not a worthy demise?

I would love, just absolutely love to see Mace with the Soul Glow curls and fu manchu, quoting the bible before he slices someone up. Even in an outtake for the DVD. That would be probably the most classic blend I have ever seen!

[echoseven]

Originally posted by justafan@Dec 4 2002, 08:56 AM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Death as a traitor seems a bit distanced from that.


Not as a true traitor. In my example he was doing what he thought was best for the universe, not what was an intentional defiant act. He can have a worthy death, sacrificing himself for the good of others. Anakin had the same type of death, was that not a worthy demise?

I would love, just absolutely love to see Mace with the Soul Glow curls and fu manchu, quoting the bible before he slices someone up. Even in an outtake for the DVD. That would be probably the most classic blend I have ever seen![/b][/quote]
Excellent point. George Washington was a traitor from the British Point of view. It all depends on how you look at it. In the American Civil war, the South (rebels) were traitors in the north's point of view, but hereos to the south.

That is something that everyone is forgetting. Anakin himself in AOTC views Palpatine as "the right person" to be a dictator. So basically, in EPIII, Anakin will come off as a bad guy in comparison to Yoda and Obi, but in his mind, he is doing the right thing by siding with Palpatine.

[Haunted/Hated]

Originally posted by justafan@Dec 4 2002, 08:56 AM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Death as a traitor seems a bit distanced from that.


Not as a true traitor. In my example he was doing what he thought was best for the universe, not what was an intentional defiant act. He can have a worthy death, sacrificing himself for the good of others. Anakin had the same type of death, was that not a worthy demise?
[/b][/quote]
Good and interesting point.

[Renekame_3rd]

One of the many rumours which seems to appear all over the place, is whether Boba will kill Mace Windu.

Now, i can't deny that this looks very likely, with the way Mace decapitated Boba's father and everything, but i can't get my head around the fact of boba killing mace. Here's my reasoning:

Boba will be approximately 13 years old in Episode III (correct me if im wrong). So, Mace Windu is one of few who survived a battle against a whole army of many types of droids. Do you really think he could be killed by a measly 13 yr old?

Also, didn't Samuel L Jackson ask that GL give him an honourable death? I've forgotten my source for this, but i'll look back into it. One of the most powerful Jedi who has ever lived getting killed by a small clone child seems hardly feasible.

Your thoughts?

[Darth Bigalow]

I think your right about Bobas age and I did read somewhere Sam L Jackson said he aint going out like "some punk" The only way I can see Boba killing Windu is if Mace cannot bring himself to kill a kid and Boba takes advantage of that. I doubt that, I think he is gonna sacrafice himself for someone or a have a long duel with Vader. That would kick ass if he fought to the death with Vader

[Mann]

I can see Boba killing Mace. Imagine if Boba can fight really well as a 13-year old kid? If He doesn't just shoot him, but it is a big fantastic battle that lasts about 15 minutes and Boba is this awesome fighter. I can see it happening if George Lucas does justice to the fight.

[Tyrannus]

Mace won't have a fifteen minute battle with Boba, frankly I don't think he'll have a fifteen minute battle with anybody. GL has always said Boba will have a much reduced role in Episode III and he already didn't have much a role in II. I think some grand fifteen minute battle (which is longer than you think) is a pretty long shot.

[Tyrannus]

Mace won't have a fifteen minute battle with Boba, frankly I don't think he'll have a fifteen minute battle with anybody. GL has always said Boba will have a much reduced role in Episode III and he already didn't have much a role in II. I think some grand fifteen minute battle (which is longer than you think) is a pretty long shot.

[Mann]

I know how long 15 mintues is, but the way they have battles in Star Wars now is intercut between eachother. I could see it happening. Boba could fly around and shoot at Mace. It would be cool.

[Darth Darthy]

If Boba Fart kills Mace it'll be very silly indeed. It's that simple.

[Rogue_0009]

<span style="color:silver">I doubt that Boba could even if he wanted to.</span>

[Tyrannus]

If Boba Fart

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[BartonX]

I highly doubt Boba would be in an open fight with Mace. In fact, I doubt Mace would even willingly enter an open fight with a 13 year old kid.

However, I do think Boba will have a hand in Mace's death. Possibly just by spying and passing information on to the right people (kinda like Garindan did in ANH).

[Mann]

Just wait, you'll all be saying it was cool when it happens in 2005

[Tyrannus]

Originally posted by Mann@Jan 1 2003, 02:29 PM
I know how long 15 mintues is, but the way they have battles in Star Wars now is intercut between eachother. I could see it happening. Boba could fly around and shoot at Mace. It would be cool.
I honestly don't think Mace is a that big enough a character to give him that much screen time, especially when we've got to have so many more battles already.

[Lord Laviathan]

There is no way Boba will kill Mace, no matter how good a punk 13 year old could get. He couldnt stand before a Jedi especially one of the greatest ever, this is a silly Topic Mace will have a glorious significant death, while Boba's screen time might be like five minutes.

[Mann]

um, Laviathon, how do you know how long Boba's Screentime will be. I remember in 2000 when Lucas said that Episode II will not be so much on CG. Well, from the look of Episode II, he spent more time on CG than on the love story.

I think Boba will be given about as much as he's gotten before. He need also will play a role in the death of the Jedi.

[Darth Darthy]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>I remember in 2000 when Lucas said that Episode II will not be so much on CG.[/b][/quote]

Yousa smoke to much Califorian Orange and getting confused mesa tinks.

[Mann]

No, I swear that's what he said. but someone who talks like Jar Jar just might have smoked something...

[Jedi Master Gandalf]

I actually think Vader will kill Mace. Just because we haven't seen Mace fight another Jedi and because a 13 year old could never kill an experienced Jedi.

[Darth Darthy]

No, but seriously - Boba actually KILL Mace? Maybe annoy and irritate in the same way a fly would but not kill him.

[Darth Darthy]

I doubt Vader will cause Lucas said he's in it for about 5 minutes. I can only hope Palpy finally does some violent act, perhaps with Maces head?

[Saranac]

Must I be the only one who belives in Boba Fett? Windu will probably be caught in a situation where Boba could just take advantage of Mace's predicament.

^If that makes sense

A.B.F.B.

[Darth Darthy]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Must I be the only one who belives in Boba Fett?[/b][/quote]

Yes.

[Saranac]

Darthy didn't you say YOU wrote all the Star Wars. Why don't you tell us what happens then ehhh?

A.B.F.B.

[Darth Darthy]

Sure.

At the beginning Boba Fett decides to change his gender and becomes Bobess Fett, Anakin makes a wish so that he can wish more wishes, Obi's beard gets bigger, Mace has a terrible head shaving incident, and most of the Jedi catch a strange and deadly disease called Saranacbreath. And thus die.

Good eh?

[truemaster]

Sup guys new guy here!! Anyways isn't it a known fact that Mace dies at the end of the Clone Wars? And the end of the War is at the beginning of the movie so that leaves me to think Dooko or a sacrafice death would be the cause, not some punk 13 year old kid.

[JediBendu]

is it a known fact?
I'd be pretty pissed if I was Sam - the final crowning moment in his Star Wars career and it ends at the very begining.

but ya - a sacrifice death seems the likely way to go - The way of the Jedi, nobility and honour are. As a true Jedi Master, become one with the Force Mace will , of that it is certain style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/y.gif

[StarWarsFan1]

I believe boba will help kill mace like as a distraction for ex, darth and mace are fighting and mace seems to be winning and then boba comes in and happens to help him kill mace. That could be somthing intresting, god i can't wait for ep3. Any one know when it starts taping?

[X-3PO]

I highly doubt Baby Boba will be in any serious fight scenes of any length, who the heck wants to see a 13 year old kid fighting a grown man? However I do think that I could buy seeing Mace in a heroic battle, saving others lives, etc etc. And Boba sneaks up, while Mace is busy, and drops a thermal detenator his way. This would lead to Vader saying in ESB "No disintegrations." If not Mace I want to see it done to someone.

[Renekame_3rd]

Wow, i created a topic which didn't get locked or deleted! Yays.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>this is a silly Topic Mace will have a glorious significant death[/b][/quote]

During my time on these boards i've heard many people discuss Boba and Mace in evolved 'other' topics, yet i've never seen a topic dedicated to it. So i created it.

I agree with what most of the guys here are saying. Boba will have, in some part, something to do with Mace's death, but only very little. Perhaps just passing on information as was mentioned earlier.

But Mace won't get killed by Boba, in my opinion. He's just simply, too, erm, different? Well, he's a Jedi, boba isn't, and boba's just a young teen.

As for the 'no disintegrations', i have my own view on this. -First let me set the record, im only 16 and became a Star Wars fan from watching Episode I, i've only seem the OT movies about twice each, so i may be wrong about something i say..-

When Vader says 'no disintegrations' to Boba (I think it was when Boba was trying to hunt down Han for bounty) i think he purely meant that he didn't want Han blown up, destroyed, decapitated or anything else, as then Han would be useless. I don't think the phrase has any repurcussion of the past and that too much is being read into it.

[Mann]

When people say Boba will help Vader kill Mace, that seems to be downplaying Vader's power. Vader doesn't need help killing Mace because he will become a powerful warrior that will be able to slaughter most of the Jedi. But, I still think that Boba will have a role in Mace's death. So this is why I think Boba will kill him.

[Tyrannus]

Boba is Jango's clone. Jango is experinced and trained an a real pro. Boba is an unexperienced, untrained, amateur boy. Mace killed Jango. Thats the way I see it.

[Mann]

Boba unexperienced?? Did you see what he did in the last movie? He almost blew Obi-Wan apart. pretty impressive for a ten year old. The Only boy we've seen who is that well trained at his age is Anakin.

[Javen]

Originally posted by Mann@Jan 2 2003, 01:29 PM
When people say Boba will help Vader kill Mace, that seems to be downplaying Vader's power. Vader doesn't need help killing Mace because he will become a powerful warrior that will be able to slaughter most of the Jedi. But, I still think that Boba will have a role in Mace's death. So this is why I think Boba will kill him.
Wrong, wrong, Vader does not himself wipe out most of the Jedi. There is no way, no matter how powerful he is he will need an army to do it. Vader is not omnipresent(everywhere at once)you know.

[Mann]

well, without Vader;s help, The Emperor couldn't have wiped out the JEdi. I think that Vader is key to hunting the Jedi. He will kill alot.

[Tyrannus]

Well yes he did very well against Kenobi, but he did have the ship's full aray of weapons at his disposal, and he still didn't kill kenobi. Unless Boba comes flying in with the Slave 1 and starts blasting Mace to pieces, I just don't think he has the experience or the training to take on a full fledged jedi master either A)by himself B)without having some huge advantage (like the Slave 1) or C) without cheating. Of course Lucas has set up a strong Boba/Mace rivalry so it's still definately in the realm of possabillity.

[Mann]

So, you just gave a premises to how it could possibly happen. Slave 1 v. Mace Windu.

[Tyrannus]

Yeah but you gotta admit, that battle would be awful. Boba just blastin away Mace. And beside Lucas said that Mace woul have a nice little death scne. Being blown to bits by a punk in a spaceship is not a good death scene.

[Mann]

How do you have a "nice" death scene?

[Rojo]

A nice death scene is like a COOL death scene. Mace getting shot is not cool, he has to go down fighting.

This should be against at least two oponents (suggestions please).

If Boba kills Mace that would be a mistake by Lucas.

[kopernikuz]

I waffled on my decision on what to do about this in my fan script. I've begun posting it on the Fan Fic thread and you can see how a 13 year old can kill a Jedi. Though you may be surprised at the results.

http://www.galacticsenate.com/index.php?ac...39ff40f3f42a3e0 (http://www.galacticsenate.com/index.php?act=ST&f=11&t=2964)

[Renekame_3rd]

I agree with Rojo. I think Windu will fight 2 opponents, or perhaps just Dooku. But it wouldn't be so bad going out to Dooku, obviously, as it would to Boba.

[Mann]

MAce vs. two people? that would mean he;d kill one person. And then that gives alot of attention to Mace (I'd like that) but Anakin is the major focus for battles. I can't see Anakin defeating Mace is too cool for that. I see Boba because it just makes sense, and Lucas is hinting at it so much with Boba holding the helmet.

[Renekame_3rd]

Maybe (like ususal), we're reading too much into it.

Perhaps Lucas isn't hinting that Boba will kill Mace. Just perhaps that Boba wants to be like his 'dad', or something.

[Tyrannus]

Originally posted by Mann@Jan 2 2003, 10:56 PM
How do you have a "nice" death scene?
I shouldn't have used the term nice. What I meant was a respectable or honorable death scene. You know the kind where the guy gets shot or stabbed or something and should be dead but isn't, because he needs to get his last few words in so as to make it more poignant, ala Qui-Gon in TPM.