Return of the Jedi

[James]

I don't know why I've never said this before...

Return of the Jedi sux!!!!

It's worse than Episode I and I thought that was pretty bad too.

Why?

1. So many deaths. So many prominent characters from Star Wars die: Jabba the Hutt, Boba Fett (I don't recognise the EU), Darth Vader, Emperor Palpatine and Yoda.

2. Yoda's scene. It's terrible. He goes on about the importance of not falling to the Dark Side. It's so long and tedious I switch off whenever I see it. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/y.gif

3. Obi-Wan's tale about Luke's family. That should've been kept in. It would have kept the PT and the OT more in sync with each other. It's as if Obi doesn't want Luke to know style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/censored.gif

4. The bit at the end with all that bit flying over Coruscant, Cloud City etc. I would rather have seen the bit with the Ewoks and the Rebels on Endor at their party :dunce:

5. At the end, when Anakin, Obi-Wan and Yoda turned up in ghost form, Anakin should have told Luke what to watch out for and told him about Amidala, Shmi and everyone else he knew while he was a Jedi.

6. The idea that Princess Leia is Luke's sister is silly. In ANH and TESB, we got the idea that Luke fancied Leia. Now all I think whenever I see them kiss is what Luke would be thinking afterwards: "Ewww!! I kissed me sister!" style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wacko.gif

7. The end gives us no idea as to what happens after to Luke, Leia, Lando, Han, 3PO and R2 and all the rest of 'em. Let me remind that I do not recognise the EU.

8. The starships pretty sux. Jabba's barge, that 2-legged walker thingee, the stolen shuttle Tydirium and the speeder bikes.

All these things make up a terrible movie! A waste of 2 1/2 hours!!

'nuff said style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tie.gif

[Saranac]

I pretty much agree with everything you said, except for that Boba Fett died, he didn't other than that what you speak is true.

[darthwicker]

ROTJ wasn't a waste of time. Reading this thread was.

[bodhisattva yoda]

dialogue and acting wise, i'd have to agree that return of the jedi is the worst film in the franchise. visually though, i think it's still amazing.

[JediBendu]

I think you should give Star Trek another go DarthJames.

[borgmatrix]

Originally posted by DarthJames@Aug. 30 2002 - 21:41
1. *So many deaths. So many prominent characters from Star Wars die: Jabba the Hutt, Boba Fett (I don't recognise the EU), Darth Vader, Emperor Palpatine and Yoda.
I don't have any problem with deaths. Especially at the end of a story/saga when some closure is needed. The ones you mentioned were handled well. Fett's death is my personal favorite, because it was so hilarious. But it was also great to see Anakin die saving his son's life and ending the reign of the Emperor.

[DblDwn]

OK I'll just respond to each thing here:

1) Exactly what Borg said. It was the end of the saga and in the end the bad guys die and some of the good guys have to die in order to achieve their ultimate goal. Keep in mind that originally after Wedge flew out of the Death Star, the Falcon was to perish along with the Death Star killing Lando and everyone on board, but Lucas changed his mind at the last minute because he felt too many fans would disagree. Seems that the man can't win for trying.

2) That scene was necessary because Yoda's warning to Luke about the lure of the Dark Side served as Luke's final lesson before having to face Vader and become a Jedi. It also gave Yoda a chance to confirm to Luke, and the audience, that Vader was telling the truth about being Luke's father.

3) In the book Obi-Wan tells Luke that he and Anakin had a duel and Anakin fell into a pit of lava to which he had to wear the suit in order to sustain his life. It is also revealed that Owen was Obi-Wan's brother and that is why Obi-Wan chose to take Luke to him. By not including either of those revelations in the movie Lucas is now able to alter the story in he wants to in regards to these matters. He has already changed the bit about Owen and he may even alter Anakin's fate as well.

4) That was a nice way to include Coruscant into the OT. Besides it's not like the Ewoks were doing keg stands on Endor and it was a wild party.

5) Just because Luke doesn't speak to Anakin at the VERY end of the movie to get the backstory on his family and all, it is quite simple to imagine that after the movie takes place they do have MANY father and son chats for years to come.

6) So Lucas was originally going to have Luke and Leia get together and then while working on the script for ESB he decided to make Han and Leia get together and inevitibly made Luke and Leia to be siblings. If it makes you feel better maybe they could have, after ROTJ, gone on some kind of Intergalactic Jerry Springer and worked it out.

7) It's called an imagination. If you lost yours somewhere down the road I suggest you re-trace your steps and retrieve it ASAP.

8) In 1982 when it was filmed you could only do so much with plastic models. It still looked better than the SFX in Mars Attacks and that was made 15 years, or so, after ROTJ.

A waste of 2 1/2 hours you say? Although you have probably seen it countless times, own it on VHS (both original and SE), and still find the time to obsess over it enough to justify starting this thread to yourself.

[Rinc]

Would've said it myself but Dbldwn got there first.

[Saranac]

Has anyone read the Star Wars Compendium?

It lists the 50 things wrong with ROTJ. Ill have to say I agreed with much of what they had to say. Also though they listed the 10 good things with ROTJ.

A.B.F.B.

[Rinc]

And they are IMO:

Vader taunting Luke about his sister, forcing Luke to go mad
Luke realising Leia's his sister
Yoda's death scene
Luke taking on the whole sail barge almost single handidly
Anakin's death scene
The space battle at the end
Luke telling Leia the truth
The emperor. Full stop.
Anakin killing the emperor
Luke realising he was turning into Vader

IMO they far outweigh the bad points.

[Mann]

I say that Return of the JEdi was the worst of the OT, but better than the Phantom Menace by far. Also, the dialouge between Luke and the Emperor is excellent.

[Saranac]

The OT are far better than the PT but still ROTJ has many faults.

I heard that GL didn't direct ROTJ he onlyproduced it?

A.B.F.B.

[Mann]

He wrote and produced it.

He didn't direct TESB either.

[MegoHulk]

As a kid ROTJ was my favorite...but as I grew up it became ESB. It's a kids movie..all of them are...somewhere along the line most of you forgot that and became to involved in your little fantasy worlds. Sure the Ewoks sucked and the whole thing at Jabbas palace could have been alot shorter but it's still a fun movie. I personally liked the Yub Yub song at the end but what do I know, I'm only a fan. It's pretty sad grown men come here and ***** about a movie made 20 years ago. What happened to your imagination? I just don't get how someone can say they are a fan but still rip apart the movies they supposedly love. Nothing is perfect but you take the good with the bad and you take it how it is. And if you still don't like the movie then don't ever watch it again. Write your own book or film your own movie...why waste your life moaning about something you can't change. I'm sure I'll get a bunch of "just wait till the Ultimate Edition comes out" posts...don't even get me started on that crap. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/banghead.gif

[JediBendu]

I saw roj 15 times when it came out - a pretty good accomplishment for a kid! *Too young to remember SW and esb is just fragmented memory. *It's still my favourite, always will be.
I started refuting the '50 reasons why Jedi sux' in Ewoks Rule (http://www.galacticsenate.com/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=7;t=1070;st=25) but no one seemed seemed interested.
I must start it up again in here.

[Blizzard]

ESB traumatized me as a kid. RotJ was and always will be my favorite. In fact, I am watching the SE right now. Lando just bumped his head on the doorway in Jabba's Palace. Ooo, look, here comes Leia dressed as Boushh. LOL, Jabba said bantha poodoo!

Oops, sorry, got caught up in commentation. Um, yeah, Jedi is the best. I am a fan of the Star Wars universe, I don't think there is anything I would complain about. (Except for that wussy scream by Luke added to ESB SE, but that's off topic here.)

[Seanakin]

Episode VI became really endearing to me several years ago through the end duel sequence. Namely, the son going berserk when the father threatens the sister, then the son realizes how dangerously close he came to becoming his father, then inspiring the father to exorcise the demon that made him the villain he was.

I understand a lot of the critiques of that movie, namely that it was just another big-budget summer flick void of the kind of substance found in the prior films. But for me, and presumably many other fans my age, the film came along when I was almost ready to make the jump from fun epic tales to the tyrannical teens, as I call it.

In other words, less than two years after it came out I was in secondary ed and felt like SW was a bunch of kids' stuff. All I really needed at age 11 was a reasonably well-made resolution of all the plot points that intrigued me a whole lot more when Episode V left me a really wide-eyed eight year-old.

And I can't really explain it better than that. ???

[Momin327]

I have no problems with ROTJ. I do agree it fails to compare with TESB, but it is better than TPM. That's how I feel about ROTJ.

[QuigonWindu]

Originally posted by darthwicker@Aug. 30 2002 - 23:13
ROTJ wasn't a waste of time. Reading this thread was.
seriously

[mtilden]

About the alleged 'sexual tension' between Luke and Leia in TESB.... where is it, I have seen TESB literally dozens of times, and I can't detect the slightest degree of sexual tension between Luke and Leia... hell, they aren't even together for 9/10 of the movie, they only see each other at the very beginning and the very end, all of the sexual tension in this movie is between Leia and Han. And don't even bring up the infamous 'kiss', there was nothing even remotely sexual about that, she did it as a joke, to taunt Han, even Luke didn't react to it as though there were something sexual about it. The historical evidence is absolutely overwhelming that Lucas had Luke and Leia's relationship as brother and sister worked out as early as January 1978. Let me summarize some of it for you (and this is only the tip of the iceberg) when he completed the first draft of the script for TESB in early 1978, the script ended with Luke telling Leia 'I think that you would be better off with Han'. This is the first bit of evidence that Lucas was moving in a different direction with their relationship. In late 1979, when Marvel Comics was working on its adaptation of TESB, and they were submitting ideas to Lucasfilm for post-TESB stories, Lucasfilm laid down the law that they were not to write stories that sexualized the relationship between Luke and Leia in any way. Gee, I wonder why? Also, there are several hints in TESB itself, including the famous 'there is another' line, and, much more importantly the end scene where Leia, without explanation, somehow 'knows' where Luke is in Cloud City. Leia's knowledge of Luke's location confused many people at the time the movie was released, but a friend of mine back in 1980 suggested to me that Leia found Luke through the force, and that therefore, she must be 'the other' that Yoda referred to. At the time, I thought that this was crazy, but in retrospect, it seems pretty obvious, all you really needed to do is put two and two together. If that plot twist in ROTJ truly suprised you, then all I can say is, that you weren't a very attentive viewer. Don't blame Lucas for your own failure to understand his very clear hints.

[Mann]

Read the deleted scenes fro TESB. In it Luke tells Leia that he is in love with her, and she says the same. Nasty!

[Seanakin]

She DID sense him through the Force. The full Force theme pops up at that exact moment in the score. JW's Leitmotif at its finest.

(Well, maybe, aside from Vader, errr, Anakin being hailed with the that theme as he gave the Emperor the shaft. It took me a while to notice because that scene usually kept me ensconced in father/son issues.)

[MegoHulk]

Mann....well now aren't we lucky he changed his mind?

[DblDwn]

Originally posted by mtilden@Sep. 01 2002 - 19:46
If that plot twist in ROTJ truly suprised you, then all I can say is, that you weren't a very attentive viewer. *Don't blame Lucas for your own failure to understand his very clear hints.
Personally I was 3 years old when ESB came out and 6 years old when ROTJ came out. I saw both in theaters. I apologize if my failed ability to preconceive of the notion that Luke and Leia were siblings at the age of 6 labels me as a non-attentive viewer.

[Krystalsaber]

Honestly I think ROTJ is the best.
But I complettly agree about #7.
I don't count EU ethier.

[RollaFett]

mtilden makes some good points. Points I have wanted to make in the past, but wasn't ablw to word it as well. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/eh.gif
That said, Mann also makes a good counter point. While mtilden uses Marvel comics as a way to help their argument, Wook and I have found Marvel comics examples that support Mann's point.
Overall, my opinion lies somewhere in between. I think that GL hadn't made up his mind yet, so you still see Leia and Luke kiss, but later you see Leia and Luke communicating via the force.

[RollaFett]

Earlier in this thread, someone mentioned the amount of deaths in ROTJ. Well there is a pretty good discussion on that very subject going on here. (http://www.galacticsenate.com/index.php?act=ST&t=1405)

[RollaFett]

Damn! That link didn't work. Oh well, back to the drawing board.

[JediBendu]

I think he had made up his mind - otherwise he wouldn't have had Yoda saying 'there is another' (he's not one to shy away from refilming eg Mos Eisley cantina scene). It was probably a method of stumping all those fans who went 'who's the other jedi?' and delved into any source material they could find (jeez that must have been limited before the net) to work out who it could be. No one would think of Leia 1. because she's already a character that isn't showing any force abilities [Luke could have contacted her as easily as he could Chewie but there was an emotional bond between them; and 2. the kiss on Hoth and on the Falcon would have negated any family relationship.
It's pretty a pretty good trick of audience manipulation on GL's part style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

[PadméAmidalaNaberrie]

I think I agree with you, Bendu.

What Mann says about Luke loving Leia in deleted scenes from TESB sounds completely crazy!!!!! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/inlove.gif

[Mann]

It's crazy but it's the truth!

[Saranac]

Ok one more time has anyone read the Star Wars Compendium?

It has the 50 things wrong with ROTJ.

Who directed ESB, im pretty sure it was GL, wasn't it?

A.B.F.B.

[DblDwn]

ESB was directed by Irvin Kershner. ANH was the only one of the OT that Lucas directed and now he is obviously directing all three of the PT.

I haven't seen the SWC that you speak of. Personally though I don't think that there are that many things wrong with ROTJ. It's a movie that is meant to be fictious and seemingly unrealistic.

Sure there are things in all five movies that we can all pick at and complain about but to say that there were as many as fifty things wrong with ROTJ is meaningless. If there was really that much wrong with it, why do we still watch it nearly twenty years later?

[Saranac]

WAIT

I mostly just watch ANH, ESB, and the PT. Once and while I'll switch ROTJ on for laugh since its so horrible.

Trust me when you read the 50 points, you will agree with most of them.

A.B.F.B.

[borgmatrix]

Originally posted by Saranac@Sep 7 2002, 11:56 PM
Trust me when you read the 50 points, you will agree with most of them.
I agreed with about 10 of them.

[Saranac]

AHHHHHHHHHHHH

Finally someone has read the Star Wars Compendium...........

That book is very good because it raised alot of questions about ROTJ.

WOW I keep asking people if they have read it and your the first who has.............that has told me.........

A.B.F.B.

[borgmatrix]

Originally posted by Saranac@Sep 9 2002, 12:31 AM
That book is very good because it raised alot of questions about ROTJ.
It's an interesting read, but I felt much of the criticism was too nitpicky and dealt with points that were ultimately not important or hardly an issue. ROTJ does have problems, though, and I agreed with some of the major points on the list, such as the ewok scenes and the Empire looking so incompetent.

[Mann]

Ewoks sucked. We needed wookies to fight! an Army of wookies!

[MegoHulk]

Well it's clear he didn't make ROTJ for the fanboys here. You shouldn't take the time to sit and point out 50 things wrong with any movie. It just seems GL has a hard balancing the story for kids and adults. Same thing in TPM, too much goofy stuff in what should have been a more serious movie. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif

[Darth Vegas]

Hey what do you want, the movies were made for 12 year olds, not grown adults.

[Saranac]

Correction the ROTJ was made for a very young audience.

ANH and ESB can be viewed by any age 12 and over.

Originally Lucas was going to have Wookies on Endor, BUT violent wookies are not marketable then cuddly Ewoks.
Lucas was a sellout, ROTJ is a subpar movie meant only to gain money in Kenner Toys.

Quote from Star Wars Compendium," Ewok is a household word, despite the fact that it's never once spoken in the film."

If you agree with this quote I STRONGLY suggest you read the Star Wars Compendium.

A.B.F.B.

[Mann]

I can see teddy wookies. I really could. Besides it would also fit in with giving Chembacca soemthing to do besides yell all the time.

I agree that if you point out 50 things wrong with a film, you have problems. Movies are always flawed, but still can be good. I like all the Star wars films, but RotJ is not my favorite.

[Saranac]

Your right every movie has flaws, but ROTJ has too many flaws.

A.B.F.B.

[Mann]

Not as many as Temple of Doom, or Howard the Duck.

[Darth Vegas]

Temple of Doom is flawless I must say. As far acting and story anyway , it's definately one of Spielberg's greatest, and the best Indy film by far.


It could use some work on effects, especially the raft sequence, that looks like crap, and at the the end of the film when the guy is supposed to be eaten by crocs', you can tell it's just is clothes.


Howard the Duck, that movie was a mistake.


I personnally don't have that many problems with ROTJ, except the fact that there are too many trees in the way during the battle of Endor, you could hardly see anything, and yeah, the Empire should not have lost so easily, just wasn't very realistic, not even for Star Wars. But overall it's a good movie.


I think you guys need to realize one thing, movies are not made for fans, they are made for everyone. The general audience is not going to view a film and then nit pick this and that.

[DblDwn]

I always felt that Temple of Doom, while still a good movie, was no where near as good as either Raiders or Last Crusade.

Who cares if ROTJ had flaws or not? Stop obsessing over it. All one has to do is not watch the movie and that is the end of it.

In reality what this thread is doing is giving everyone a chance to bad mouth ROTJ and then, when someone new comes along to the thread and reads all of the posts, they in turn go and watch the movie for the hundredth time so that they can consider everything that has been said.

So to all of you who don't like ROTJ, or think that it is by far the worst of the OT and/or saga thus far, just keep in mind that all you are doing is promoting the movie instead of tearing it down.

Bad publicity is better than no publicity after all.

[Seanakin]

yeah, the Empire should not have lost so easily,

Which reminds me of something GL was saying in the commentary to the Episode I DVD about how growing up "in the shadow of the Vietnam War" really influenced his well-traveled theme of technology vs. anti-technology in warfare.

Obviously, this was a major influence behind the forest battle. Nothing like seeing an advanced piece of Imperial machinery such as the AT-ST bite it because of a well-located cord of wood.

The fatal flaw there, IMHO, was portraying the Ewoks as simultaneously cute and furry, then bloodthirsty and deadly. Not impossible, just didn't happen.

[Saranac]

Originally posted by Agent Bond A.KA. TK-007@Sep 10 2002, 07:24 AM
it's definately one of Spielberg's greatest, and the best Indy film by far.






WHAT are you talking about. Raiders of the Lost Ark is one of the greatest movies ever.................

Raiders of the Lost Ark is a timeless classic. Personally I think the Last Crusade is better than Temple of Doom.

I still can't believe someone thinks Temple of Doom is better than Raiders of the Lost Ark..............

Saying that Temple of Doom is one of Spielbergs greatest is pushing it. Some of his movies if you forgot are Jaws, Close Encounter......, ET, Shindlers List, Saving Pivate Ryan, rarely seen "Duel." and of course Raiders of the Lost Ark.

A.B.F.B.

[RollaFett]

I still can't believe someone thinks Temple of Doom is better than Raiders of the Lost Ark..............

Damn straight!

Temple of Doom is flawless I must say. As far acting and story anyway , it's definately one of Spielberg's greatest, and the best Indy film by far.

WHAT?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? I dare say, one of his worst.



Quote from Star Wars Compendium," Ewok is a household word, despite the fact that it's never once spoken in the film."

Heh, heh...never really noticed that. Where does one acquire such a book?

[Javen]

I think it would have been better in ROTJ if it would have been Wookies instead of those Ewoks it would have been way more believable.

[borgmatrix]

Originally posted by Javen@Sep 14 2002, 09:17 PM
I think it would have been better in ROTJ if it would have been Wookies instead of those Ewoks it would have been way more believable.
yeah, far more believable. I'm still hoping they're replaced with something more menacing looking in the ultimate edition. Lucas seems to prefer cgi creatures, so there's a good possibility, right?

[Saranac]

Yea Lucas could do that, but I think he'll keep the damn Ewoks.

A.B.F.B.

[Winston_Sith]

Originally posted by DblDwn@Sep 10 2002, 03:48 PM
I always felt that Temple of Doom, while still a good movie, was no where near as good as either Raiders or Last Crusade.
Q: What do Raiders and Last Crusade have that Temple of Doom does not?

A: Nazis.

The next one better have Nazis!

[Darth Vegas]

It won't, because it takes place in the mid-fifties after WW2.

[Jedi Master Shaft]

How old is Indiana Jones in the mid-fifties ?


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[Darth Vegas]

As old as Harrison Ford is in real life.

[Jedi Master Shaft]

I think Harrison Ford's 60.


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[Darth Vegas]

He sure is. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbsup.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

[Jedi Master Shaft]

Is there a thread existing about the next Indiana Jones somewhere on this boards ? If there is, I'd like to see it, if there is not, well,... there should be one. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif


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[Darth Vegas]

Start one in "The Outlander Club".

[Winston_Sith]

Originally posted by Agent Bond A.KA. TK-007@Sep 15 2002, 09:30 AM
It won't, because it takes place in the mid-fifties after WW2.
(The sound of gratuitous cursing)

[Darth Vegas]

When were Nazis cool? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wacko.gif

[actionjack29]

Back to Star Wars(not that I don't love Indy). People, there're so many problems with ALL these SW movies, not just ROTJ.

1. Tell me how Luke and Han were able to wear Stormtrooper suits over the regular attire on the original Death Star? Couldn't possibly be done( over Han Solo's boots and All-C'mon)!!! End of argument!!!

2. Why couldn't the Millineum Falcon blast into Hyper-Space without facing the century ships(or simply out running them) after fleeing the orginal Death Star? Whoa, another Plot flaw( I'm gonna quit watching Star Wars movies from this point on..........NOT!!!!!!).

3. Leia kissing her bother(Luke) on the ESB. NO Big deal!!! Neither of them know the truth(nor do the viewers). The way I see it, Luke(and Leia) have strong feeling for each other and they're both at and age where that can be very confusing(23, tough call, but still young enough, remember, they don't know Sh*t at this point).

4. I agree, that the Ewoks are way too cuddley. But I also believe, that was never GL's intentions(that was the best they could do in 1983). They still look like Teddy Bears(and that does SUCK!!!). But hey, the theory that these little Teddy Bears makes such an impact on the over all story is where the meat of the story is really at!!! They are completely overlooked by the Empire and Darth Sidious(AKA Emperor Palpatine included). C'mon!!! Thats simply great Film Making. Again the Ewok outfits are lame(and I hope GL improves them in His Ultimate Edtion!!!, but if he don't I guess I'll just have to live with it!!!!)

5. First, let me say that Ep.I is everything I expected and wanted from the Star Wars Saga!!!(Did I lose some Respect from some of you???, **** YOU!!!).
Qui-Gon Ginn is one of the greatest charactors in the SW universe!!!(Watto and Maul are dear to me as well!!!) That being said, Jar-Jar was tough to accept, but I feel his role is simular to Mace Windu's Role. Though we may see limited Jar-Jar in Ep.III, his role may have a great impact on the OT!!!

There are plenty of other minor FLAWS in these movies, but hey, why are we discussing these Star Wars movies unless they are anything but what we need in our everyday lives?!?!?!

[MegoHulk]

Well if you have nothing better to do that watch movies and pick out flaws your missing the point of the movies themselves. Your susposed to suspend belief when watching a movie...it's obviuosly not real...especially Sci Fi. Sure these movies had flaws...and ALOT if ya actually look for them. How about the fact that the most of these ships aren't aerodynamically shaped for atmospheric flight? Or why is there sound in space? See...these things you just have to accept, just like there were Ewoks on Endor, and they kicked S Trooper butt. And how come no one eats or uses the potty? Lucas...you've really screwed up! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/hehe.gif

[Darth Vegas]

Yoda and Luke ate on Dagobah.

Padme and Anakin ate four times in AOTC, once on the freighter, twice on Naboo, and again at the Lar's homestead.

Luke, Owen and Beru shared a meal at the homested in ANH.

Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan had a drink on the Trade Federation flagship.

Obi-Wan had a drink at "The Outlander Club".

Luke and Obi-Wan both had a dink in the Cantina.

Jar Jar tried to eat the frog in the Mos Espa market.

The list goes on.......................................



We never see them use the bathhhroom, because that would be gross. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wacko.gif

[MegoHulk]

Ok...you know what I mean smarty pants. Hey I just realized...Bond...you average over 30 posts a day! thats alot...you must know something we don't huh? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

[Darth Vegas]

No I just like to discuss Star Wars. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

[RollaFett]

Winston Sith- I love your signature!

actionjack29 5. First, let me say that Ep.I is everything I expected and wanted from the Star Wars Saga!!!(Did I lose some Respect from some of you???, **** YOU!!!).

I think we all know what you were trying to say. Please try to cool it with that language, ok?

[Winston_Sith]

Originally posted by Agent Bond A.KA. TK-007@Sep 16 2002, 01:05 AM
When were Nazis cool? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wacko.gif
In Indiana Jones movies. They're the best villains, because they were onto using things like the Ark and the Grail for nefarious purposes.

[JediBendu]

Ewoks Rule!! (http://www.galacticsenate.com/index.php?act=ST&f=7&t=1070&hl=ewoks+rule)


GL has wanted to use them since 1974 - but had the wookies cast in the rol instead. They symbolise a theme which GL has been fascinated with (his words) - a technolically inferior, simple culture triumphing over the technologically superior power of the Empire.

[RollaFett]

While I understand what you are trying to say Jedibendu, i must say that I disagree. Ewoks suck, plain and simple. I would've preferred if GL had stuck to his original idea of using Wookiees instead of Ewoks. I know that he had already established the idea that Wookiees could be technologically advanced, but it still would've made more sense if the Stormtroopers were defeated by Wookiees rather than Ewoks, IMHO.

[Blizzard]

Originally posted by Agent Bond A.KA. TK-007@Sep 16 2002, 05:00 PM
Luke and Obi-Wan both had a dink in the Cantina.
A What??

LOL!

[Darth Vegas]

Hey!! My keys were sticking that day.

[JediBendu]

nothing like a good dink in a cantina :0

Golla
He couldn't use the wooks after already using Chewie as a high tech mechanic.
GL originally had wookies learning (from scratch)how to pilot y-wings (with turret gunner) to make the run against the Battle Station, as well as a ground assault.
To use the wooks again would mean explaining how Chewie was different from the rest of his race.

[Darth Vegas]

Wookies would have sucked so bad.

All that moaning and roaring?!?!?!?! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wacko.gif

That would be so iritating after a while.

[JediBendu]

true
but people are complaining about Ewoks just because the look like teddy bears - I think the moans and growls would have be acceptable style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

[Winston_Sith]

Originally posted by GollaFett@Sep 21 2002, 02:36 AM
Winston Sith- I love your signature!
Which one were you talking about - the Ewok one?

[RollaFett]

Yeah, I think that was the one.