MOVIES: Batman

[Justin]

So the new Batman film is titled Batman Begins, starring Christian Bale as Batman/Bruce Wayne, Michael Caine as Alfred, and the Japanese dude from Last Samurai as Ra's Al Ghul. It's also starring Liam Neeson, Morgan Freeman, and Katie Holmes in as-yet unrevealed roles.

It's directed by Christopher Nolan, who directed Memento, and produced by a chick who produced Insomnia (sorry, I don't remember her name), which were pretty cool movies.

There are shots of the new batmobile (which in my opinion looks pretty lame) on the official site (http://batmanbegins.warnerbros.com/index.html), which has absolutley nothing else on it, other than a nifty-looking Batman symbol.

Apparently it takes place in a completely different continuity from the other Batman films (as if there was any real continuity between them in the first place) and is about Batman's origins and first missions.

What are your thoughts?

[JediJaina]

Christopher Nolan directed both Insomnia and Memento. Wait and see I guess.

[brookie]

na na na naaa naa naa naan na na na na BATMAN!!! NA NAA NAA ANNNA naa naa BATMAN!

HOLY cool movie BATMAN!!!

[Darth Vegas]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>and the Japanese dude from Last Samurai as Ra's Al Ghul[/b][/quote]
Has it been confirmed? I thought this was only a rumor.

Plus I was under the impression that Liam Neeson was playing the character as he was signed on to play a major villian in the film, and I don't think they're going to balance two major baddies in this one.

I hear the script isn't all that brilliant, but without a doubt this will be a Batman film more in touch with the comics then any of the prievous attempts (which all basically sucked), and with a cast like that (and a director like Nolan) I don't see how they could go wrong, unless they decide to have Prince songs in it.... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/crazy.gif

BTW, you forgot to mention that Gary Oldman is playing the young Gordon before he was commissioner, weird chioce for the role as Gordon isn't all that complex of a guy, but interesting to say the least.

[Darth Vegas]

Looks like the script leaked...

http://chud.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&t...&threadid=61608 (http://chud.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=61608)

[Whisper]

Ten bucks sez Katie is Ra's daughter...

[Mann]

Originally posted by TK-007@Apr 6 2004, 03:35 AM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>and the Japanese dude from Last Samurai as Ra's Al Ghul
Has it been confirmed? I thought this was only a rumor.

Plus I was under the impression that Liam Neeson was playing the character as he was signed on to play a major villian in the film, and I don't think they're going to balance two major baddies in this one.

I hear the script isn't all that brilliant, but without a doubt this will be a Batman film more in touch with the comics then any of the prievous attempts (which all basically sucked), and with a cast like that (and a director like Nolan) I don't see how they could go wrong, unless they decide to have Prince songs in it.... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/crazy.gif

BTW, you forgot to mention that Gary Oldman is playing the young Gordon before he was commissioner, weird chioce for the role as Gordon isn't all that complex of a guy, but interesting to say the least. [/b][/quote]
nope, Ken Watanabe will play Ra

Liam I thought was cut from the role...

Freeman looks like a bad guy role I think.

Oldman sounds like he'll be walking through the role.

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by Mann@Apr 5 2004, 09:27 PM
nope, Ken Watanabe will play Ra
That doesn't answer my question, so I'll ask again. WAS THIS CONFIRMED? And if so where did the information come from?

The fact is that Liam Neeson was signed on to play a bad guy in this film, I couldn't see an actor of Liam's stature playing a secondary villian, so there seems to be some conflicting information.

[Mann]

It was confiremed. I heard it from Comingsoon.net

[Darth Vegas]

Ah so Liam Neeson is playing Ducard...that clears things up a bit.

http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/b/batman5.php

[Spacehunter24]

I've only seen MEMENTO (which I thought was great), so I hope Nolan delivers. I think Christian Bale will make an excellent Batman. Interesting choice to go with Ra's al Ghul as the main villain, as he's not the normal type of villain you associate with Batman, but I think that will be a nice change of pace. Also interesting choice to have Gary Oldman play James Gordon. I'm curious about that. All I have to say is that so far it seems the movie is on the right track. Just not too thrilled about the Batmobile or the casting of Katie Holmes, whom I really dislike. I hope she doesn't ruin the movie. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/huh.gif

[Mann]

Katie Holmes is hot.

[JediBendu]

christian bale will be a great batman - apart from having an amazing body (which none of the others had - making batman look like a wimp), he's got that pyshopathic mentality down pat (ie American Psycho, Equilibrium) which is perfect for the role.

[Darth Morder]

No I see a disaster in the brewing here. Not only is there a tottal shuffle of the cast <AGAIN> but Tim Burton's not even involved and that "Bat Mobile" looks like something out of an old Army Reject Bin.

[masterplan]

As long as the in-costume-bats gets a decent amount of screen time I think I'll be happy with this film. It should be very "Year One" -ish.

I predict that WB finally gets a superhero movie right.

By the way, if you're bashin' the new 'mobile, check this out.

http://www.geocities.com/spencerl984/miller.html

Designed for a comic that came out in '86 and revolutionized comics as we know them. Kinda similar, huh ?

[brookie]

Originally posted by Darth Morder@Apr 6 2004, 02:46 PM
No I see a disaster in the brewing here. Not only is there a tottal shuffle of the cast <AGAIN> but Tim Burton's not even involved and that "Bat Mobile" looks like something out of an old Army Reject Bin.
tim burton sux, he doesnt even read comics!! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/giveup.gif

[Spacehunter24]

Originally posted by masterplan@Apr 6 2004, 03:46 PM
By the way, if you're bashin' the new 'mobile, check this out.

http://www.geocities.com/spencerl984/miller.html

Designed for a comic that came out in '86 and revolutionized comics as we know them. Kinda similar, huh ?
I forgot about that Batmobile. Then again, I've only read THE DARK KNIGHT RETURNS once. Wasn't really a big fan of it.

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by brookie@Apr 6 2004, 01:12 PM
tim burton sux, he doesnt even read comics!! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/giveup.gif
Yeah Burton's Batman films might've been better then the last two (but not by much), and they weren't good films by any stretch of the imagination, and they're hardly anything like Batman was intended to be at all, they're more like the tv series.

[Mann]

Tim Burton does not SUCK!

He makes some of the greatest movies of all time! the Original Batman is a great motion picture, even though the Joker became a leading character over Batman, but its Jack style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

The sequel was wicked cool, with a perfect cast MICHELLE PFIEFER IS SO HOT IN THAT MOVIE!

The last two are not burton, they are Joel Schumacher. He doesn't grasp the concept of what Batman is.

[Momin327]

I'm glad they're completely ignoring the two fiascos those Schumacher movies were. They were just terrible! This should give the Batman series a fresh start. A second chance to redeem itself. Should they give Superman another try?

[Mann]

Originally posted by Momin327@Apr 6 2004, 11:49 PM
I'm glad they're completely ignoring the two fiascos those Schumacher movies were. They were just terrible! This should give the Batman series a fresh start. A second chance to redeem itself. Should they give Superman another try?
They want to, but they have no superman.

So Far, I heard that Johnny Depp is Lex Luther and Beyonce or Natalie POrtman will be Lois (PLEAAAASE NATALIE!)

[brookie]

tim burton sux, altough batman returns was my fav batman, it still sucked , it wasnt batman, and if one is going to make a batman movie, i think it would be important for him or her to read the comic

[Javen]

Originally posted by brookie@Apr 6 2004, 07:25 PM
tim burton sux, altough batman returns was my fav batman, it still sucked , it wasnt batman, and if one is going to make a batman movie, i think it would be important for him or her to read the comic
Too be honest the one person I would trust to make a comic into a movie would be Kevin Smith. He actually reads them and is a a huge fan of them.

[brookie]

amen, brother amen style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[Justin]

Actually I read his script to Superman Lives (I have it) and it sucked pretty bad.

[brookie]

really? is it real? where did you get it?

[Justin]

Yeah it's real, I got it at a script bazaar they had at the mall a few years ago. It's awful.

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by Javen@Apr 6 2004, 04:28 PM
Too be honest the one person I would trust to make a comic into a movie would be Kevin Smith. He actually reads them and is a a huge fan of them.
I'm afraid that he wouldn't be the best as far as the technical aspects of those sorta films go, but he is doing The Green Hornet, so we shall see...

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by Mann@Apr 6 2004, 03:35 PM
The last two are not burton, they are Joel Schumacher. He doesn't grasp the concept of what Batman is.
And neither did Burton.

[Marbleman]

I have to interject myself here and say to all those whining about the all terrain batmobile - count yourselves as lucky and think of what might have been. Mm?

[P-Ray]

Originally posted by Justin@Apr 6 2004, 09:49 PM
Actually I read his script to Superman Lives (I have it) and it sucked pretty bad.
Isn't that the one where Superman and Lex Luthor were brothers and fell to earth together (or something like that)?

That would have been awful.

[P-Ray]

Originally posted by TK-007+Apr 7 2004, 02:10 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TK-007 @ Apr 7 2004, 02:10 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-Mann@Apr 6 2004, 03:35 PM
The last two are not burton, they are Joel Schumacher. He doesn't grasp the concept of what Batman is.
And neither did Burton. [/b][/quote]
That's very true!

At least they were entertaining.

[8-Ball]

Jeez, does anyone really care about ANOTHER bad Batman movie? On HBO the other day, they were showing Batman Forever and that movie is just average. Only the first one was good and its cause of Jack Nichelson.

They really need to wait longer on this sequel (and it is a sequel no matter how you slice it) cause people still remember how bad the last Batman movie was with Arnold

[Javen]

Originally posted by 8-Ball@Apr 7 2004, 07:32 AM
They really need to wait longer on this sequel (and it is a sequel no matter how you slice it) cause people still remember how bad the last Batman movie was with Arnold
It's a prequel not a sequel. Hence, Batman Begins

[Justin]

It's not a prequel, it's a completely different Batman continutity. Think of it like the original Batman comics from the 40's (dark violent and gritty) compared to the 60's comics (goofy, not taking Batman seriously) compared to today's Batman comics (Batman is dark and gritty again, with some serious stories). They're completely different, and don't really take place in the same continuity.

[8-Ball]

yea but the avereage movie-watcher wont know that

[Javen]

Explores the origins of the Batman legend and the Dark Knight's emergence as a force for good in Gotham.

Sounds like a prequel to me...

[masterplan]

They're ignoring the other 4 films. This is a reboot. Joe Public will think it's a prequel and that's ok because it won't add or take anything away from the original 4 movies.

[Javen]

But I'm not Joe Public. I think the comics and the cartoon series was better than the the Batman movies after the first one.

[masterplan]

^ Too true, too true!

The animated movies were better than anything live action too.
Mask of the Phantasm is classic and the (uncut) Batman Beyond Joker movie was great. (Didn't see the Mr. Freeze one).

[Momin327]

Originally posted by masterplan@Apr 8 2004, 09:32 AM
^ Too true, too true!

The animated movies were better than anything live action too.
Mask of the Phantasm is classic and the (uncut) Batman Beyond Joker movie was great. (Didn't see the Mr. Freeze one).
Yeah. Mark Hamill was great in the Joker movie.

[brookie]

i liked the batman beyond movie with the joker , its great!

[RollaFett]

YES! Finally, some reliable, confirmed information on this subject!!!!
The cast looks promising, the story seems to be headed in the right direction, but the Batmobile....ugh. Oh well, I'm sure I can get over that.

[Justin]

Hopefully it won't be in the movie much.

[brookie]

dudes, whats with the batmobile? is it going to suck?

[brookie]

Originally posted by Marbleman@Apr 7 2004, 05:54 AM
I have to interject myself here and say to all those whining about the all terrain batmobile - count yourselves as lucky and think of what might have been. Mm?
lmao!!! that ruled!!!

[Justin]

Anybody know who Katie Holmes is playing in this movie?

Also, wouldn't it be great if Jude Law played the Joker in one of the sequels?

[RollaFett]

Wow, that sounds like a great idea, Justin! He would really look like the joker, and considering how solid an actor he is, he'd probably nail the part as well.
It's funny, I never thought that Nicholson was all that great a Joker to begin with. Before they ever made the first film, I always thought of Tom Hanks as the perfect Joker. Now, of course, I'm talking about mid-80's Hanks, not current day.

[Justin]

Tom Hanks? I don't know man, he's kind of goofy. The Joker has to be chilling.

[RollaFett]

At that time, I agree, he was goofy, but I think he has proven that he can act and always has been able to.

[Justin]

I don't know, he can act but I don't think he would be good as the Joker.

[brookie]

that batmobile is horrid! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/crazy.gif

[borgmatrix]

Originally posted by Justin@Apr 10 2004, 04:57 AM
Anybody know who Katie Holmes is playing in this movie?
An assistant district attorney and childhood friend of Wayne's.

[Mann]

Originally posted by borgmatrix+Apr 15 2004, 12:35 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(borgmatrix @ Apr 15 2004, 12:35 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-Justin@Apr 10 2004, 04:57 AM
Anybody know who Katie Holmes is playing in this movie?
An assistant district attorney and childhood friend of Wayne's. [/b][/quote]
in otherwords- Love Interest.

Money is on Christian Bale takes his shirt off in this movie.

[Lost-Jedi-Of-The-Republic]

they should have a batman Beyond movie instead, that would be so coool. Batman in the future, but Terry Miginnis is the new Batman and new villians now that would be cool

[Darth Darthy]

I think they noticed how crap the cartoon of Batman of the Future was and thought...no.

I got a bad feeling about this one though. Seems Batman is cursed - how can they improve on Tim Burton? Even the script review made it sound kind of boring. I'm not a fan of "The Dark Knight" but I enjoyed the first two movies. Eitherway, this will be a an improvement on a franchise killed by to terrible films. And the Batmobile DOES stink - they tried to be too different methinks. Just like the film.

[Handothrawn]

The Batmobile looks like crap.

I don't know how much faith I have left in Bat movies, the last two have really been terrible...There's just no way that they can live up to what Tim Burton made. Its impossible.

[masterplan]

If it's better than Batman 4, I'll get my enjoyment out of it. I think I mentioned before that as a fan of The Dark Knight Returns and Batman: The Cult, I'm fine w/ that Batmobile. It is definitly different. As far as not living up to Burton, Batman 1 was classic...no doubts there, but Batman 2 just wasn't all that good really. Also as a fan of Frank Miller's "Year One" I think this new Batman movie will appeal to me.

I will bet that the general audience could be a little put off by the way this movie seems to be shaping up. So they're making a movie just for me style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

yay me !

[cj790]

I thought the franchise would have been dead and buried by now - good to see that a decent line-up is actually follwing this through!
Christopher Nolan's previous films have been stunning. Can't wait to see what he does with Bats style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[masterplan]

Actually I'm probably looking more foward to the sequel to this movie. Better movie when all the introductions and Bruce's training is over.

[P-Ray]

Originally posted by Handothrawn@Apr 15 2004, 07:59 AM
The Batmobile looks like crap.

I don't know how much faith I have left in Bat movies, the last two have really been terrible...There's just no way that they can live up to what Tim Burton made. Its impossible.
I thought that Batman Forever was good. It wasn't too goofy and yet colorful like a comic.

[masterplan]

Originally posted by P-Ray+Apr 15 2004, 09:12 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(P-Ray @ Apr 15 2004, 09:12 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-Handothrawn@Apr 15 2004, 07:59 AM
The Batmobile looks like crap.

I don't know how much faith I have left in Bat movies, the last two have really been terrible...There's just no way that they can live up to what Tim Burton made.* Its impossible.
I thought that Batman Forever was good. It wasn't too goofy and yet colorful like a comic. [/b][/quote]
Yeah "Forever" actually wasn't bad. Tommy Lee Jones makes every movie he's in better, and Jim Carry's over-the-top Riddler was very funny. There were some good nods to the comics scattered here and there. I always appreciate that....

Hey look, Batman Begins casting news (possible spoiler):
Credit: defenderofgotham website





















Mark Strange, who has been practicing martial arts for 20 years, has spent the last few weeks working on the new Batman Begins film at Shepperton Studios in Middlesex, taking the role of a Shadow Fighter.

He said: "Working on the Batman film was a great experience and I made plenty of great contacts while I was working.

"I was in the role of a Shadow Warrior, part of an elite team sent to combat Batman, who is played by Christian Bale.

[Mann]

Originally posted by P-Ray+Apr 15 2004, 02:12 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(P-Ray @ Apr 15 2004, 02:12 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-Handothrawn@Apr 15 2004, 07:59 AM
The Batmobile looks like crap.

I don't know how much faith I have left in Bat movies, the last two have really been terrible...There's just no way that they can live up to what Tim Burton made. Its impossible.
I thought that Batman Forever was good. It wasn't too goofy and yet colorful like a comic. [/b][/quote]
lol, a little tooo colorful don't you think? Joel Schumacher loves neon...

but in all actuality, I love Batman forever. Jim Carrey and Tommy Lee Jones have too much fun, and its just not fair to the others, but who cares. Also, that movie was when I thought Nicole Kidman was hot stuff, so its a plus.

Burton rules though. He totally nailed the series.

[P-Ray]

Originally posted by Mann@Apr 15 2004, 09:40 AM
Burton rules though. He totally nailed the series.
I agree. I really like Batman Returns. It was even darker than the first one.

I don't even mind that they changed the Penguin character.

[Handothrawn]

Yeah...Burton made the changes seem okay. I probably wouldn't have minded Forever so much had they not already had Harvey Dent in the first movie, so they had to turn Two-Face into someone else.

Maybe I just wanted to see Billy Dee as Two-Face, I dunno.

[borgmatrix]

Originally posted by masterplan@Apr 15 2004, 02:24 PM
Yeah "Forever" actually wasn't bad. Tommy Lee Jones makes every movie he's in better, and Jim Carry's over-the-top Riddler was very funny. There were some good nods to the comics scattered here and there. I always appreciate that....
Yeah, it's always great to see stuff like that. But I had a hard time getting over the neon look and the lack of darkness. They had such a strong cast for that movie and squandered it.

[Mann]

Originally posted by Handothrawn@Apr 15 2004, 04:34 PM
Maybe I just wanted to see Billy Dee as Two-Face, I dunno.
Star Wars fan forever, huh?

Tommy Lee Jones could play the Two-face part well, with the right amount of psychotic laughs and such, but I can't see him playing Harvey Dent.

[RollaFett]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> Handothrawn Posted on Apr 15 2004, 07:59 AM
There's just no way that they can live up to what Tim Burton made. Its impossible. [/b][/quote]

Hmmm, now I don't hate what Burton did with the Batman films, but let's be a little real, ok? He changed so much and strayed quite a bit from the Batman 'vision, if there really is such a thing.
First off, did you count how many people Batman killed in the first movie? Ridiculous.
Secondly, why in the hell did the Joker have to be the guy who killed Bruce Wayne's parents?
Ridiculous.
Third, secret identity revealed to a chick?
Ugh.

Then, in the second film....
Catwoman, while portrayed magnificentally by Michelle Phiefer, suddenly has powers and really does have 9 lives?
Ridiculous.
Batman still kills a few goons.
Ridiculous.
Secret identity revealed to a chick, again?!
Ugh.

Ok, I vented. Other than the flaws I just mentioned, I suppose that Burton did a pretty decent job at capturing the dark tone and feel. Costume and production deisign was pretty damn good as well.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>
Handothrawn Posted on Apr 15 2004, 11:34 AM
Maybe I just wanted to see Billy Dee as Two-Face, I dunno.[/b][/quote]

Heh, heh, I always felt the same about that. I mean, let's not forget that Harvey Dent was supposed to be a real handsome guy, which makes his half-faced disfiguartion even more horrifying. Let's face it, Tommy Lee Jones, while a fine actor, has never been confused with a pretty boy, eh?

[Justin]

I think there was only one guy that Batman killed in the first Batman movie, the black dude he fights in the belfry and throws him down the stairwell. That's always bugged me, but whatever. And then he blows up the one guy in Batman Returns. But still, those two movies are awesome.

[RollaFett]

Don't forget about the countless amount of thugs who were in the factory that Batman blew to smitherens near the end.

[Justin]

LOL oh yeah.

Obviously the writers didn't do a lot of research. But it was still a kick-ass movie.

[RollaFett]

For several years, I considered it my all time favorite movie. Mostly while I was collecting comics. Now, I look upon it with a certain amount of fondness, but its ranking has dropped considerably.

[DarthAnakin]

^ I'll probably end up going to see it just because it's Batman.

[P-Ray]

Originally posted by DarthAnakin@Apr 15 2004, 11:02 PM
^ I'll probably end up going to see it just because it's Batman.
Me too and to see if they did a good job.

[masterplan]

I know it's a Warner Bros Movie, but have a little faith !

[P-Ray]

Originally posted by masterplan@Apr 16 2004, 01:30 PM
I know it's a Warner Bros Movie, but have a little faith !
It seems that at least they are trying. They've hired some good talent and good actors.

[Mann]

Originally posted by Justin@Apr 16 2004, 01:34 AM
I think there was only one guy that Batman killed in the first Batman movie, the black dude he fights in the belfry and throws him down the stairwell. That's always bugged me, but whatever. And then he blows up the one guy in Batman Returns. But still, those two movies are awesome.
Someone needs to educate me on the methods of Batman, cause I thought he did kill some of the people he fought...

[Mann]

Originally posted by P-Ray+Apr 16 2004, 08:11 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(P-Ray @ Apr 16 2004, 08:11 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-masterplan@Apr 16 2004, 01:30 PM
I know it's a Warner Bros Movie, but have a little faith !
It seems that at least they are trying. They've hired some good talent and good actors. [/b][/quote]
Ever since Dreamcather, I've always been more skeptical of films packed with good actors.

[masterplan]

Originally posted by Mann+Apr 16 2004, 03:13 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mann @ Apr 16 2004, 03:13 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-Justin@Apr 16 2004, 01:34 AM
I think there was only one guy that Batman killed in the first Batman movie, the black dude he fights in the belfry and throws him down the stairwell. That's always bugged me, but whatever. And then he blows up the one guy in Batman Returns. But still, those two movies are awesome.
Someone needs to educate me on the methods of Batman, cause I thought he did kill some of the people he fought... [/b][/quote]
Never on purpose. And not since probably the late 30's early 40's has it ever happened. Batman does not kill. Even the crooks know it.

[P-Ray]

Originally posted by Mann+Apr 16 2004, 03:13 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mann @ Apr 16 2004, 03:13 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-Justin@Apr 16 2004, 01:34 AM
I think there was only one guy that Batman killed in the first Batman movie, the black dude he fights in the belfry and throws him down the stairwell. That's always bugged me, but whatever. And then he blows up the one guy in Batman Returns. But still, those two movies are awesome.
Someone needs to educate me on the methods of Batman, cause I thought he did kill some of the people he fought... [/b][/quote]
He doesn't kill in comics but he has in the movies.

[masterplan]

Originally posted by Mann+Apr 16 2004, 03:14 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mann @ Apr 16 2004, 03:14 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'> Originally posted by P-Ray@Apr 16 2004, 08:11 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-masterplan@Apr 16 2004, 01:30 PM
I know it's a Warner Bros Movie, but have a little faith !
It seems that at least they are trying. They've hired some good talent and good actors.
Ever since Dreamcather, I've always been more skeptical of films packed with good actors. [/b][/quote]
Then I have more faith than before because I liked Dreamcatcher style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

Well, the ending was stupid, but the alternate ending was alot better.

[P-Ray]

Originally posted by Mann+Apr 16 2004, 03:14 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mann @ Apr 16 2004, 03:14 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'> Originally posted by P-Ray@Apr 16 2004, 08:11 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-masterplan@Apr 16 2004, 01:30 PM
I know it's a Warner Bros Movie, but have a little faith !
It seems that at least they are trying. They've hired some good talent and good actors.
Ever since Dreamcather, I've always been more skeptical of films packed with good actors. [/b][/quote]
Yeah...it's not a guarantee. It just seems like maybe the Studio has good intentions of at least attempting to put some quality into it and reenergizing the franchise.

[kopernikuz]

Originally posted by masterplan+Apr 16 2004, 03:28 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(masterplan @ Apr 16 2004, 03:28 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'> Originally posted by Mann@Apr 16 2004, 03:14 PM
Originally posted by P-Ray@Apr 16 2004, 08:11 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-masterplan@Apr 16 2004, 01:30 PM
I know it's a Warner Bros Movie, but have a little faith !
It seems that at least they are trying. They've hired some good talent and good actors.
Ever since Dreamcather, I've always been more skeptical of films packed with good actors.
Then I have more faith than before because I liked Dreamcatcher style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

Well, the ending was stupid, but the alternate ending was alot better. [/b][/quote]
Wait... alternate ending? I hated the movie because I liked the book and the movie ending was so stupid compared to the book... what happens in the alternate ending? I'm curious if it's closer to the book.

[Justin]

Originally posted by Mann+Apr 16 2004, 08:13 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mann @ Apr 16 2004, 08:13 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-Justin@Apr 16 2004, 01:34 AM
I think there was only one guy that Batman killed in the first Batman movie, the black dude he fights in the belfry and throws him down the stairwell. That's always bugged me, but whatever. And then he blows up the one guy in Batman Returns. But still, those two movies are awesome.
Someone needs to educate me on the methods of Batman, cause I thought he did kill some of the people he fought... [/b][/quote]
No, Batman NEVER kills.

[Mann]

well alot of the time in the first couple he doesn't mean to kill some people. I mean he tried to save The Joker before he got all white, and even in the end he tries to save him.

[RollaFett]

Go back a page and I use pretty specific examples of Batman killing foes in the first movie.

[Justin]

Originally posted by Mann@Apr 16 2004, 10:23 PM
well alot of the time in the first couple he doesn't mean to kill some people. I mean he tried to save The Joker before he got all white, and even in the end he tries to save him.
No I don't think he was trying to save him at the end, I think he wanted to kill him. But he was sort of a different character than he is in the comics.

[Mann]

Originally posted by GollaFett@Apr 17 2004, 04:03 AM
Go back a page and I use pretty specific examples of Batman killing foes in the first movie.
actually...you didn't. But you did for the second.

[Mann]

Originally posted by Justin+Apr 17 2004, 04:17 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Justin @ Apr 17 2004, 04:17 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-Mann@Apr 16 2004, 10:23 PM
well alot of the time in the first couple he doesn't mean to kill some people. I mean he tried to save The Joker before he got all white, and even in the end he tries to save him.
No I don't think he was trying to save him at the end, I think he wanted to kill him. But he was sort of a different character than he is in the comics. [/b][/quote]
He wanted to but I think he did actually try to save him.

[RollaFett]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Mann Posted on Apr 16 2004, 11:53 PM
QUOTE (GollaFett @ Apr 17 2004, 04:03 AM)
Go back a page and I use pretty specific examples of Batman killing foes in the first movie.


actually...you didn't. But you did for the second. [/b][/quote]

'Tis right. Ok, how about when he encounters the circus crime group and attatches a bomb that he's attempting to prevent from detonating. As he's doing this, a really huge thug confronts him and Batman simply stuffs the bomb in the waist band of the tugs pants, slugs him in the face and throws him dowm some steps. A second later, as Batman is walking away, KA-BOOM! I'm assuming a death occurred, however, that is the only one I can recall from Batman Returns.

[Justin]

There was also when he set the dude on fire using the Batmobile's afterburner, lol.

[Mann]

Originally posted by Justin@Apr 18 2004, 11:41 PM
There was also when he set the dude on fire using the Batmobile's afterburner, lol.
But he doesn't die, he's just badly burnt.

Honestly, Batman doesn't intentionally kill people in the first two batman movies. In Forever and B&R he killed tham by the car load.

[RollaFett]

C'mon now, blowing up a factory full of the Joker's goons wasn't intentional?! What was he hoping for, that they would escape with singed eyebrows?!

[Justin]

No, I think that dude ends up dead. I mean, unless he found a swimming pool to fall in.

[masterplan]

Originally posted by kopernikuz+Apr 16 2004, 05:06 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(kopernikuz @ Apr 16 2004, 05:06 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'> Originally posted by masterplan@Apr 16 2004, 03:28 PM
Originally posted by Mann@Apr 16 2004, 03:14 PM
Originally posted by P-Ray@Apr 16 2004, 08:11 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-masterplan@Apr 16 2004, 01:30 PM
I know it's a Warner Bros Movie, but have a little faith !
It seems that at least they are trying. They've hired some good talent and good actors.
Ever since Dreamcather, I've always been more skeptical of films packed with good actors.
Then I have more faith than before because I liked Dreamcatcher style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

Well, the ending was stupid, but the alternate ending was alot better.
Wait... alternate ending? I hated the movie because I liked the book and the movie ending was so stupid compared to the book... what happens in the alternate ending? I'm curious if it's closer to the book. [/b][/quote]
Closer to the book definitly. I can't remember for sure if Duds goes all alien in the alternate ending or not, but the action is much closer to the book.

I wouldn't buy the dvd just to see the alt ending, but it's worth your time to track down a friend who has it, or rent it.

I thought the original ending was horrible too.

*off topic part ends* *apology begins* *ends*

Back to Batman...anyone hear anything new about the new bat-suit? I saw a fan made version based on rumors over at defenderofgotham.com, but no real pics yet.

[Mann]

if its anything like the batmobile...ugh.

The cast is superb, the design looks odd.

[masterplan]

Originally posted by Mann@Apr 19 2004, 03:00 PM
if its anything like the batmobile...ugh.

The cast is superb, the design looks odd.
The new bat-symbol design you mean ?

It's passable.

[Mann]

Originally posted by masterplan+Apr 19 2004, 08:03 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(masterplan @ Apr 19 2004, 08:03 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-Mann@Apr 19 2004, 03:00 PM
if its anything like the batmobile...ugh.

The cast is superb, the design looks odd.
The new bat-symbol design you mean ?

It's passable. [/b][/quote]
no, the batmobile, have you not seen the pics?

[borgmatrix]

Originally posted by masterplan@Apr 19 2004, 06:51 PM
Back to Batman...anyone hear anything new about the new bat-suit?* I saw a fan made version based on rumors over at defenderofgotham.com, but no real pics yet.
There's this pic, but its apparantly fake. Maybe the suit will look something like it, though.

http://www.aintitcool.com/image/spyshot-batman.jpg

[Justin]

What is that picture from?

[masterplan]

Originally posted by borgmatrix+Apr 19 2004, 05:58 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(borgmatrix @ Apr 19 2004, 05:58 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-masterplan@Apr 19 2004, 06:51 PM
Back to Batman...anyone hear anything new about the new bat-suit?* I saw a fan made version based on rumors over at defenderofgotham.com, but no real pics yet.
There's this pic, but its apparantly fake. Maybe the suit will look something like it, though.

http://www.aintitcool.com/image/spyshot-batman.jpg [/b][/quote]
Fits the description. Like the grey instead of all black. Bat symbol looks right too!

[masterplan]

Originally posted by Mann+Apr 19 2004, 04:36 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mann @ Apr 19 2004, 04:36 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'> Originally posted by masterplan@Apr 19 2004, 08:03 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Mann@Apr 19 2004, 03:00 PM
if its anything like the batmobile...ugh.

The cast is superb, the design looks odd.
The new bat-symbol design you mean ?

It's passable.
no, the batmobile, have you not seen the pics? [/b][/quote]
Sorry, figured you saw my earlier posts about the batmobile. Figured you had to mean the new bat symbol.

But anyway, being a fan of TDKR and The Cult, I like the new batmobile.

[borgmatrix]

Originally posted by Justin@Apr 20 2004, 04:35 AM
What is that picture from?
I think it was from aintitcool.com, but don't really know anything more. I'm not sure if they still have anything up about it. I saw the picture on another message board.

[masterplan]

Good find. I missed it on AICN, and I check that near every day.

[masterplan]

Fan rendering based on descriptions so far.
Source: batman-on-film

[Darth Vegas]

Ok I've got the script, if you want it, pm me.

[Justin]

No spoilers, please.

[Darth Vegas]

WTF? If there's a SPOILER WARNING there should be no problem with SPOILERS being posted.

Geez man, your job isn't to edit posts just because they annoy you or whatever. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif

[Justin]

I made the thread, if I don't want spoilers in my thread then you can't post them. I saw it at the bottom of your post when I went to add a reply, so your "warning" didn't work. Please don't do it again in this thread, thank you.

[Vibroblade]

If you want to discuss spoilers make a thread for it. Everybody wins then.

Peace.

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by Vibroblade@Apr 22 2004, 06:05 PM
If you want to discuss spoilers make a thread for it. Everybody wins then.

Peace.
Yeah that's fine with me, still don't see what the big deal was as there was just no way anyone could've missed that warning I gave, but sure I'll do that, or ask someone else to.

[Mann]

Originally posted by TK-007+Apr 23 2004, 02:26 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TK-007 @ Apr 23 2004, 02:26 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-Vibroblade@Apr 22 2004, 06:05 PM
If you want to discuss spoilers make a thread for it. Everybody wins then.

Peace.
Yeah that's fine with me, still don't see what the big deal was as there was just no way anyone could've missed that warning I gave, but sure I'll do that, or ask someone else to. [/b][/quote]
I frankly don't want real spoilers from the script. I mean pics are cool, but other stuff, not.

[Justin]

Originally posted by masterplan+Apr 20 2004, 10:42 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(masterplan @ Apr 20 2004, 10:42 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'> Originally posted by borgmatrix@Apr 19 2004, 05:58 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-masterplan@Apr 19 2004, 06:51 PM
Back to Batman...anyone hear anything new about the new bat-suit?* I saw a fan made version based on rumors over at defenderofgotham.com, but no real pics yet.
There's this pic, but its apparantly fake. Maybe the suit will look something like it, though.

http://www.aintitcool.com/image/spyshot-batman.jpg
Fits the description. Like the grey instead of all black. Bat symbol looks right too! [/b][/quote]
What is that pic of, if it's not an official picture? Somebody went to great lengths to create a phony Batman suit if it is fake.

[Mann]

Originally posted by Justin+Apr 23 2004, 04:25 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Justin @ Apr 23 2004, 04:25 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'> Originally posted by masterplan@Apr 20 2004, 10:42 AM
Originally posted by borgmatrix@Apr 19 2004, 05:58 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-masterplan@Apr 19 2004, 06:51 PM
Back to Batman...anyone hear anything new about the new bat-suit?* I saw a fan made version based on rumors over at defenderofgotham.com, but no real pics yet.
There's this pic, but its apparantly fake. Maybe the suit will look something like it, though.

http://www.aintitcool.com/image/spyshot-batman.jpg
Fits the description. Like the grey instead of all black. Bat symbol looks right too!
What is that pic of, if it's not an official picture? Somebody went to great lengths to create a phony Batman suit if it is fake. [/b][/quote]
If you ask me, it looks like the statue from Six Flags.

[masterplan]

It's fake. batman-on-film.com confirmed it's fakeness.
Still pretty close tho.

I'm avoiding script spoilers like the plague. I've seen a couple of different places that did script reviews with spoilers. I'm just not looking.

I also heard that there was supposed to be an offical pic of Bale in the bat suit released by now, but it was postponed due to the script leak.

[RollaFett]

The fake pic looks good to me, pretty damn close to how it should look. Even the bat symbol looks good, extremely close to how it looked in the early days. More Batman-Year One-ish than 1930's Batman but you know what I mean.

[Obi-Wan]

For all you spoiler junkies, here is the first pic of Christain Bale as Bruce Wayne/Batman!!!!! It's an amazing pic that will appear in EW tomorrow!! Batman Begins will sure kickass come June 2005!!!! And this pic only makes it seem kewler! Since the title of the thread says no spoliers I'll just post a link of it:

Batman Revealed!!! (http://superherohype.com/cgi-bin/imageFolio.cgi?action=view&link=Batman/The_Movie/Movie_Stills&image=batmanew.jpg&img=&tt=)

Hope you guys enjoy! I think it's f style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/censored.gif sweet!! YAY!!!!!!!!!

[Marbleman]

Indeed, and there's a black and white version of that at CHUD.


style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ph34r.gif

[Miasmo]

Hm... can't say much about the suit yet.

Batman Begins... to unsuckify itself? Maybe.

Tune in tomorrow. Same bat time. Same bat channel.

[pudooku]

If this films absorbs 1 molecule of the coolness that the Batman: Year One stories had, it'll kick Batman and Robin's arse...

Bale will be a great Batman - cooler than Keaton, but still slightly unhinged.

Pudooku

[P-Ray]

Now that I,ve seen the costume, I'm looking forward to the movie more.

The costume looks somewhat the same as the other movies. Only the symbol looks different. I'm happy about that. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[Obi-Wan]

Yeah, the grey and black is more like the original Batman costume. I can't wait till we get a complete brightened version. Curious to see how the bat looks and the rest of the costume. So far so good though.

[masterplan]

Have I mentioned that I SO can't wait for this film !

[borgmatrix]

Originally posted by Miasma@Apr 30 2004, 07:09 AM
Batman Begins... to unsuckify itself? Maybe.
What needs to be "unsuckified"?

[Miasmo]

I don't think I need to go into the details. I'm pretty sure they have already been made in this thread.

Of the Batman Movies out there, I'm a Burton Fan. Now, I don't need a return to Burton form, but I would like to push the scale back in that direction while maintaining a fresh, original feel.

I know plenty of people say Burton's versions suck though.

I know plenty of people say I suck.

[Obi-Wan]

Actually I think the first two Batman's were the best, and at least a closer version to how the Dark Knight should be portrayed. Unlike that Joel freak! *shudder* He made Batman terrible! Turned it into a laughing matter! They were horrible versions of Bats! The first Batman is my fave with Batman Returns an equally awesome movie! Both were greats, but I feel Batman Begins may top them at #1. It just seems to have that more Batman feel, must be the costume!

[borgmatrix]

There are some more pics up <span style="color:red">here</span> (http://batmanbegins.warnerbros.com/batphoto.html) at the official site. Have you guys seen them?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Of the Batman Movies out there, I'm a Burton Fan.* Now, I don't need a return to Burton form, but I would like to push the scale back in that direction while maintaining a fresh, original feel.[/b][/quote]
I liked the Burton films too. But just because "Begins" isn't directed by Burton doesn't mean it can't be good, right? Nolan seems to be influenced by Frank Miller, not Joel Schumacher, which is great. That being the case, I think the atmosphere and tone will be what it should be. And I'm expecting the story to be better. To me, that was the weakest aspect of Burton's Batman movies.

I know we can't truly know until the film's out, but everything I'm seeing and hearing seems to indicate "Begins" will be a far cry from Schumacher's movies. If he was directing, then we'd need to see some "unsuckifying".

[Darth Vegas]

Yeah, not quite used to the look yet, I'm sure I'll get used to it though, instead of going with something more like the comic they went even further away with something that's more like a suit of armor.

I saw the EW pic first though, that pic was terrible.

[Obi-Wan]

OMG borg! Those pics are totall sweetness! I should check the OS more!!!!!!! He looks so bad!!!!!!!! I can't wait for this movie!!!!1

[Mann]

Originally posted by TK-007@May 1 2004, 12:44 AM
Yeah, not quite used to the look yet, I'm sure I'll get used to it though, instead of going with something more like the comic they went even further away with something that's more like a suit of armor.

I saw the EW pic first though, that pic was terrible.
style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blink.gif so, you think that this isn't the look Batman should go for? I Think Bale is an amazing choice and look for Batman, and he's friggin built!

[Darth Vegas]

Nah it ain't Bale that seems to be the problem, it's just the suit.

Might look better when we see a trailer or something, but it just doesn't look very good in those pics, it looks way to big, like a big puffy winter jacket.

[Mann]

Originally posted by TK-007@May 1 2004, 06:41 AM
Nah it ain't Bale that seems to be the problem, it's just the suit.

Might look better when we see a trailer or something, but it just doesn't look very good in those pics, it looks way to big, like a big puffy winter jacket.
well, have you seen Bale when he was buffed out? he's big!

[kopernikuz]

I saw it in the EW yesterday, and I think it looks pretty good. The best part of all? His neck can turn! No more stiff ass movement, lol... supposedly this suit will allow much more mobility... if true, it'll make it more realistic for Batman than any of the previous incarnations, even Burton's. So I'm looking forward to seeing him working in it...

And yeah... he's pretty built... He's gonna be a perfect Bruce Wayne.

[Miasmo]

Originally posted by Mann+May 1 2004, 01:49 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mann @ May 1 2004, 01:49 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-TK-007@May 1 2004, 06:41 AM
Nah it ain't Bale that seems to be the problem, it's just the suit.

Might look better when we see a trailer or something, but it just doesn't look very good in those pics, it looks way to big, like a big puffy winter jacket.
well, have you seen Bale when he was buffed out? he's big! [/b][/quote]
Which leads me to believe that with the right actor, like Bale, you shouldn't have to depend on molded rubber to look buff. They could've, and possibly should've, gone with a close fitting costume.

I'll wait to see it in action I guess.

[brookie]

http://www.moviepoopshoot.com/onehand/index.html

[Justin]

The costume looks pretty bad in that one shot of him crouching. The one I have as my avatar is pretty cool, but then again you can't really see it.

[JKRich]

Originally posted by Justin@May 5 2004, 10:17 PM
The costume looks pretty bad in that one shot of him crouching.
I agree with you it does look bad in that pic.I do however think Bale is a great choice for Bats though.I hope we see a better pic to judge from.Until then ill reserve my judgement and give them the benefit of the doubt.

[RollaFett]

Yeah, it's a bit too early to slam the costume, IMO. We haven't seen near enough of it yet.

[Justin]

I'm not slamming the costume, just saying that it looks bad in that picture. It looks too poofy. Bale is already buffed out, why encase him in layers of latex "muscles"? I was hoping they'd use a different material for the suit, as many others were as well.

[RollaFett]

You have a valid point, that pic doesn't look so good, but it's not revealing enough for me to have an opinion one way or the other about it.

[RollaFett]

This weeks 'Entertainment Weekly' cover boy is none other than Christian Bale, aka, BATMAN!

[Virus]

Anyone see the teaser trailer on the official website? I think it looked TERRIBLE!!! Like I was saying before, no one wants to see another bad Batman movie and this is it, just a new look. The problem is that it hasnt been long enough for people to forget about the crappy Batman movies of the 90s

[brookie]

i havent seen it yet, i liked batman returns, nice and dark

i would really enjoy another dark batman, this one looks like it wont let me down!

[P-Ray]

Originally posted by Virus@Jul 28 2004, 09:19 PM
Anyone see the teaser trailer on the official website? I think it looked TERRIBLE!!! Like I was saying before, no one wants to see another bad Batman movie and this is it, just a new look. The problem is that it hasnt been long enough for people to forget about the crappy Batman movies of the 90s
I saw it. It was o.k. We only get to see Batman for a second. I think this Batman has a lot of potential.

[Red]

the trailer looked interesting. hopefully, nolan will deliver.

[RollaFett]

Haven't seen it yet, but will now!

[K-Man]

<span style="color:green">Thank god the "Dark" Batman has returned.

Ever since Batman & Robin, and Batman Forever....God.

K-Man's Believe it or Not : Warner Bros. did not resign Tim Burton on for Batman 3, due to the overall dislike with his finished product. They felt he made Batman "too dark." After Batman Forever / Batman & Robin, you can understand why WB put they're feet in they're mouths.</span>

[RollaFett]

Okay, I have seen it, and I'm not quite sure what to think. But teaser trailers are like that sometimes. I'm still extremely excited about this film!

[P-Ray]

Originally posted by K-Man@Jul 29 2004, 08:25 PM
<span style="color:green">Thank god the "Dark" Batman has returned.

Ever since Batman & Robin, and Batman Forever....God.

K-Man's Believe it or Not : Warner Bros. did not resign Tim Burton on for Batman 3, due to the overall dislike with his finished product. They felt he made Batman "too dark." After Batman Forever / Batman & Robin, you can understand why WB put they're feet in they're mouths.</span>
I actually really like Batman forever because it was colorful like a comicbook but still a little "dark" and serious.

[P-Ray]

Originally posted by GollaFett@Jul 29 2004, 08:25 PM
Okay, I have seen it, and I'm not quite sure what to think. But teaser trailers are like that sometimes. I'm still extremely excited about this film!
I think this will redeem the Batman name after the "Batman & Robin" fan reaction style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blush.gif

[Justin]

I thought the trailer was pretty cool, but they should have used a slightly longer shot of Batman, maybe in a more dramatic moment, or not shown him at all. That little blip was kind of lame.

[JediBendu]

the trailer was pumped!
points to a darker, more pyscholigically f*cked up batman whinc Burton touched upon on the first film.
*big sigh of relief*

[P-Ray]

Originally posted by Justin@Jul 30 2004, 01:54 AM
I thought the trailer was pretty cool, but they should have used a slightly longer shot of Batman, maybe in a more dramatic moment, or not shown him at all. That little blip was kind of lame.
Yes, I would have liked to see a little more of Batman in that trailer.

[Dark Skywalker 9]

Great teaser trailer. Very dark looking...hope the movie rocks!

[P-Ray]

Originally posted by Dark Skywalker 9@Aug 1 2004, 10:49 AM
Great teaser trailer. Very dark looking...hope the movie rocks!
I agree! This movie has huge potential.

[RollaFett]

The new Batsuit:
http://www.comics2film.com/FanFrame.php?f_id=8932

Not too crazy about this, but hey, it could be worse.

[P-Ray]

Originally posted by GollaFett@Aug 2 2004, 07:34 AM
The new Batsuit:
http://www.comics2film.com/FanFrame.php?f_id=8932

Not too crazy about this, but hey, it could be worse.
Why don't you like it?

It's similiar to the other Bat suits with some minor changes and like you said, it could be a lot worse.

[Horse_Head]

Uh... Batman is Bruce Wayne... I hope that doesn't spoil it for anyone style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/huh.gif

[brookie]

Originally posted by GollaFett@Aug 2 2004, 07:34 AM
The new Batsuit:
http://www.comics2film.com/FanFrame.php?f_id=8932

Not too crazy about this, but hey, it could be worse.
ohhhh me likey!!! kind of like the cartoon!

[P-Ray]

Originally posted by brookie+Aug 2 2004, 03:14 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(brookie @ Aug 2 2004, 03:14 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-GollaFett@Aug 2 2004, 07:34 AM
The new Batsuit:
http://www.comics2film.com/FanFrame.php?f_id=8932

Not too crazy about this, but hey, it could be worse.
ohhhh me likey!!! kind of like the cartoon! [/b][/quote]
Me too! I think it looks good. It is very much like the early versions of the Batman costume from the comics.

[Justin]

Why is his head so fat? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/huh.gif

I don't really like it, because it's virtually the same kind of thing we saw in the last movies, and the sculpted rubber thing sucks.

And seriously, the mask looks dumb.

[P-Ray]

BTW...there is a picture of Ra's Al Ghul on moviespoilers.net for those interested.

[JKRich]

^ thanks nice find.Do you like what you have heard so far of this project?

[Justin]

I do, except for Batman's helmet, lol.

[RollaFett]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>P-Ray Posted on Aug 2 2004, 08:57 AM
QUOTE (GollaFett @ Aug 2 2004, 07:34 AM)
The new Batsuit:
http://www.comics2film.com/FanFrame.php?f_id=8932

Not too crazy about this, but hey, it could be worse.


Why don't you like it?[/b][/quote]

Well, as already said, it looks too much like what we've seen in the earlier movies. I was hoping for something less 'sculpted'.

[P-Ray]

Originally posted by JKRich@Aug 8 2004, 10:43 PM
^ thanks nice find.Do you like what you have heard so far of this project?
Thanx!

Yeah, I'm looking forward to it. I think they have gotten a talented cast and have put some time,$ and effort into it. I also like what I have heard about the storyline. Hopefully it will breath new life. I think it has that potential.

[RollaFett]

The villian choice is definately interesting. I have only read about Rah's Al Guhl just once in a hardcover comic that cmae out in the early 90's. I don't remember much about it, except that Batman apparantly married his daughter? I dunno, I may have that twisted somehow. Anyway, it was a nice pick as the main baddie.
I wonder how big a role Scarecrow will have. I'm a little paranoid about multiple villians in comic book films, it certainly didn't work too well in the last two Batman flicks.

[P-Ray]

Originally posted by GollaFett@Aug 14 2004, 05:22 PM
I wonder how big a role Scarecrow will have. I'm a little paranoid about multiple villians in comic book films, it certainly didn't work too well in the last two Batman flicks.
I heard that he doesn't have a huge role but just in the beginning.

[RollaFett]

Hmm...that sounds good.

[P-Ray]

http://inlandempirestrikesback.net/v-web/g...anBegins/poster (http://inlandempirestrikesback.net/v-web/gallery/BatmanBegins/poster)

poster!

[Virus]

^meh

Too soon since the last Batman movie. Might as well make a new version of Spawn while we're at it

[JKRich]

Originally posted by P-Ray@Dec 4 2004, 09:46 AM
http://inlandempirestrikesback.net/v-web/g...anBegins/poster (http://inlandempirestrikesback.net/v-web/gallery/BatmanBegins/poster)

poster!
<div align="right">Quoted post</div>



I like how they kept the poster simple. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif I agree with you virus they need to make a(new) better version of Spawn. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[Virus]

If anyone didn't notice, I was being sarcastic about Spawn. You see, Spawn came out only a few years ago and so did the last Batman, therefore they shouldn't be doing anyother Batman movie for a while. Wait another 5 or 10 years.... maybe

[JKRich]

Spawn definitely needs to be redone and as for the last couple of Batman movies,well they are best forgotten my sarcastic friend. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

[Ripley the Warmaster]

Originally posted by JKRich@Dec 5 2004, 12:26 AM
Spawn definitely needs to be redone and as for the last couple of Batman movies,well they are best forgotten my sarcastic friend. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif
<div align="right">Quoted post</div>

<span style="color:red">Agreed. Forever is bareable, but Batman and Robin= style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/barf.gif </span>

[P-Ray]

Originally posted by Ripley the Warmaster+Dec 6 2004, 08:16 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Ripley the Warmaster @ Dec 6 2004, 08:16 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-JKRich@Dec 5 2004, 12:26 AM
Spawn definitely needs to be redone and as for the last couple of Batman movies,well they are best forgotten my sarcastic friend. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif
<div align="right">Quoted post</div>

<span style="color:red">Agreed. Forever is bareable, but Batman and Robin= style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/barf.gif </span>
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[/b][/quote]
It's a shame too because Batman & Robin could have been a decent film if it wasn't for all the goofiness(especially from Batman). Plus the addition of Batgirl was a mess.

I actually really like Batman Forever. It still has a serious Batman (and tone) but adds the comic book colors.

[Ripley the Warmaster]

Originally posted by P-Ray+Dec 6 2004, 08:28 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(P-Ray @ Dec 6 2004, 08:28 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'>Originally posted by Ripley the Warmaster@Dec 6 2004, 08:16 PM
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Spawn definitely needs to be redone and as for the last couple of Batman movies,well they are best forgotten my sarcastic friend. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif
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<span style="color:red">Agreed. Forever is bareable, but Batman and Robin= style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/barf.gif </span>
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It's a shame too because Batman & Robin could have been a decent film if it wasn't for all the goofiness(especially from Batman). Plus the addition of Batgirl was a mess.

I actually really like Batman Forever. It still has a serious Batman (and tone) but adds the comic book colors.
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<span style="color:red">The biggest complaint I have is the difference between Gotham in the Burton films and the Schmucher films. Burton has a very gothic world when Schmucher's a more future-esque and bright world. I don't see how the films can be in the same timeline with such a difference in the way Gotham is shown.</span>

[P-Ray]

http://www2.cinescape.com/0/editorial.asp?...38&obj_id=43126 (http://www2.cinescape.com/0/editorial.asp?aff_id=0&this_cat=Movies&action=page&type_id=&cat_id=270338&obj_id=43126)

another poster!

[Crazydude]

The Trailer is attached to Ocean's Twelve.

[Rojo]

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[cj790]

I like the poster.
It looks like it'll be a good film - I have faith in Christopher Nolan.

[RollaFett]

The posters do look pretty good. And you say that there is a trailer with Ocean's Twelve? Hmmm.....

[Darth Darthy]

Trailer (http://homepage.mac.com/capeandcowl/.Movies/bb.mpg)

[Virus]

yea i just saw that.............meh

Talk about trying to dig up any ideas for a Batman movie.

Whose the villain?

[borgmatrix]

Originally posted by Virus@Dec 14 2004, 12:27 AM
Whose the villain?
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Ra's Al Ghul, The Demon's Head.

The movie's gonna rock. Can't wait.

[Virus]

Originally posted by borgmatrix+Dec 13 2004, 08:19 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(borgmatrix @ Dec 13 2004, 08:19 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-Virus@Dec 14 2004, 12:27 AM
Whose the villain?
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Ra's Al Ghul, The Demon's Head.
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yeaaaaaaaa, no one knows who that is

[borgmatrix]

Originally posted by Virus@Dec 14 2004, 02:58 AM
yeaaaaaaaa, no one knows who that is
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style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/huh.gif Ok....and your point is what?

[LegendoftheJedi]

I heard at one point scarecrow was going to be the villian. Was that shut down?

[Justin]

The Scarecrow is in it.

[Kapit]

i'm actually looking forward to this

i'm not a big fan of comic books, but i've always loved batman for some reason, and the first movie was pretty cool, but the others......

anywho, i think christian bale's a good guy, he can definitely pull off a superhero of some sort, but he needs to work on not looking funny when he runs

anyone else see "equilibrium"? i thought he died an awesome job in that movie, hope he does as well with this

[DarthAnakin]

Originally posted by Justin@Dec 13 2004, 11:32 PM
The Scarecrow is in it.
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SWEET!

[Virus]

Originally posted by DarthAnakin+Dec 14 2004, 12:00 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(DarthAnakin @ Dec 14 2004, 12:00 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-Justin@Dec 13 2004, 11:32 PM
The Scarecrow is in it.
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SWEET!
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wait wait, so how many villians are in it?

I was saying earlier that people want to see a villian they know

[Justin]

And by "people" you mean you. I don't think it matters to people if they do or don't know the villain from something else. If the story is good then it doesn't matter who the villain is.

Besides, Ra's Al Ghul is a cool villain. He's one of Batman's greatest enemies. I've been saying for a long time that they should make him the villain in a Batman film, so this is a good thing.

[cj790]

Just saw the trailer - this looks like this will be the best Batman film IMHO! Can't wait style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif


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Totally agree with you Justin. Virus, are you really that confused by 2 villains being in the same film? Maybe you shouldn't watch films like Star Wars...
I personally would be very tired of seeing Batman facing off against the Joker (for instance) again and again and again - it works in comic form, but I don't think it would translate onto the big screen. It would quickly become tiresome and predictable (look at the jokes about Bond foes).

[mazzy]

Can't wait to see this - it looks fab!

[borgmatrix]

Originally posted by cj790@Dec 14 2004, 11:34 AM
I personally would be very tired of seeing Batman facing off against the Joker (for instance) again and again and again - it works in comic form, but I don't think it would translate onto the big screen. It would quickly become tiresome and predictable (look at the jokes about Bond foes).
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I agree. I'd say we'll definitely see Joker again, but at this point I think the right move is to utilize villains we haven't seen on the big screen before. Memories of "Batman and Robin" need to be wiped away and the way to do that is by moving in another direction. And that's what we're seeing.

Ra's is a great choice for villain. Like Justin said, he's one of Batman's greatest enemies. And since he's the head of a worldwide criminal organization, his presence should bring an epic touch to the film, a sense of something bigger than we're used to seeing in a superhero film. Wayne's travels around the world for training should also contribute nicely to that aspect. It'll be great to see things going beyond the scope of Gotham.

[Virus]

Originally posted by cj790@Dec 14 2004, 06:34 AM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>And by "people" you mean you.

Totally agree with you Justin. Virus, are you really that confused by 2 villains being in the same film? Maybe you shouldn't watch films like Star Wars...
I personally would be very tired of seeing Batman facing off against the Joker (for instance) again and again and again - it works in comic form, but I don't think it would translate onto the big screen. It would quickly become tiresome and predictable (look at the jokes about Bond foes).
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Are you really THAT confused? No I am not. So why not leave the baby talk at the door and lets talk like adults, although you might not be one. As you can tell, I wasn't happy with your childish comment.

With that aside, the number of villians in a movie is usually a bad thing. And for the record, the OT (the good star wars movies) really only had one bad guy (until ROTJ). Anyway, Batman and other movies use more than one villian because it makes the story writing easier. Look at how bad each Batman movie got in the 90s when they kept adding more and more villians and heroes. It becomes diluted and dull.

[Virus]

Originally posted by Justin@Dec 14 2004, 01:13 AM
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No, not just me. Many others. Ask a normal person on the streets if they know who this villian is. They will have no clue (and I'm not ruling out that as a bad thing, but when it comes to a comic book movie, it is). Most people barely knew who Dr Freeze was

[mazzy]

Originally posted by Virus+Dec 14 2004, 11:25 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Virus @ Dec 14 2004, 11:25 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-cj790@Dec 14 2004, 06:34 AM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>And by "people" you mean you.

Totally agree with you Justin. Virus, are you really that confused by 2 villains being in the same film? Maybe you shouldn't watch films like Star Wars...
I personally would be very tired of seeing Batman facing off against the Joker (for instance) again and again and again - it works in comic form, but I don't think it would translate onto the big screen. It would quickly become tiresome and predictable (look at the jokes about Bond foes).
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Are you really THAT confused? No I am not. So why not leave the baby talk at the door and lets talk like adults, although you might not be one. As you can tell, I wasn't happy with your childish comment.

With that aside, the number of villians in a movie is usually a bad thing. And for the record, the OT (the good star wars movies) really only had one bad guy (until ROTJ). Anyway, Batman and other movies use more than one villian because it makes the story writing easier. Look at how bad each Batman movie got in the 90s when they kept adding more and more villians and heroes. It becomes diluted and dull.
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As you are nearly flaming people, and I've noticed in other threads people getting fed up with you I'd watch how you are coming across. Very negative.

[Justin]

Virus, I think you make too many assumptions about what "people" like, or what "the average person" wants.

I don't think anyone would particularly care if they made a Batman movie with a completely original villain.

Most people probably don't know who The Scarecrow is because he only ever appeared in the comics, and in a couple episodes of the animated series. But even then, not everyone watched the animated series.

Or do you think they should use villains like Egghead or King Tut from the TV show, since perhaps more people will recognize them?

[Kapit]

they need to being back "the batusi"!

[borgmatrix]

Originally posted by Virus@Dec 14 2004, 11:26 PM
No, not just me. Many others. Ask a normal person on the streets if they know who this villian is. They will have no clue (and I'm not ruling out that as a bad thing, but when it comes to a comic book movie, it is). Most people barely knew who Dr Freeze was
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It doesn't matter whether people know Ra's or not. He's a great character, has a lot of history, and is one of Batman's greatest villains. And he's being played in "Begins" by Ken Watanabe, who's a hell of an actor. Ra's is going to come across very, very well. Particularly after Freeze and Ivy in B&R.

And as for the two villain thing. Be aware that this is not a super-villain teamup like the last 3 Batman movies. Ra's is the main villain. Scarecrow has a smaller role.

[Virus]

Originally posted by mazzy+Dec 14 2004, 06:47 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(mazzy @ Dec 14 2004, 06:47 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'>Originally posted by Virus@Dec 14 2004, 11:25 PM
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>And by "people" you mean you.

Totally agree with you Justin. Virus, are you really that confused by 2 villains being in the same film? Maybe you shouldn't watch films like Star Wars...
I personally would be very tired of seeing Batman facing off against the Joker (for instance) again and again and again - it works in comic form, but I don't think it would translate onto the big screen. It would quickly become tiresome and predictable (look at the jokes about Bond foes).
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Are you really THAT confused? No I am not. So why not leave the baby talk at the door and lets talk like adults, although you might not be one. As you can tell, I wasn't happy with your childish comment.

With that aside, the number of villians in a movie is usually a bad thing. And for the record, the OT (the good star wars movies) really only had one bad guy (until ROTJ). Anyway, Batman and other movies use more than one villian because it makes the story writing easier. Look at how bad each Batman movie got in the 90s when they kept adding more and more villians and heroes. It becomes diluted and dull.
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As you are nearly flaming people, and I've noticed in other threads people getting fed up with you I'd watch how you are coming across. Very negative.
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I am sorry to be negative, but you were flaming me as well. Well I wouldn't call either of us flaming, I hate that word anyway. We both just seem to have different ideas, thats all. Sorry if I came off the wrong way

[Virus]

Originally posted by borgmatrix+Dec 14 2004, 09:58 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(borgmatrix @ Dec 14 2004, 09:58 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-Virus@Dec 14 2004, 11:26 PM
No, not just me.* Many others.* Ask a normal person on the streets if they know who this villian is.* They will have no clue (and I'm not ruling out that as a bad thing, but when it comes to a comic book movie, it is).* Most people barely knew who Dr Freeze was
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It doesn't matter whether people know Ra's or not. He's a great character, has a lot of history, and is one of Batman's greatest villains. And he's being played in "Begins" by Ken Watanabe, who's a hell of an actor. Ra's is going to come across very, very well. Particularly after Freeze and Ivy in B&R.

And as for the two villain thing. Be aware that this is not a super-villain teamup like the last 3 Batman movies. Ra's is the main villain. Scarecrow has a smaller role.
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I agree, Watanabe is a great actor and will draw people to his villian character.

I hope your right that Scarecrow won't be a major role in this movie. I'm glad you see what I mean by too many villians is a bad thing. Thats why Spiderman 2 succeeded in my opinion (one of the reasons).

[BobPalpatine]

I was pissed that that didn't attach the trailer to Ocean's Twelve but I downloaded it today. All I can say is WOW! I have faith in this movie I really hope it doesn't let me down. The trailer looks very good though.

Two villans isn't much and from what I hear the Scarecrow doesn't even play a huge role. Plus like other said Ra's Al Ghul is one of the coolest villians that the Bat faces. I'm sure he will translate to film pretty well.

[cj790]

Virus - you seem to be confusing me with Mazzy now.

Besides, I did not flame you, whereas you made a personal attack on me.

And another thing:you are completely wrong about Vader being the only bad guy in the OT until ROTJ - what about Grand Moff Tarkin? The Emperor is also mentioned as the larger threat in ANH, and appears in TESB too.

[borgmatrix]

Originally posted by cj790@Dec 15 2004, 11:00 AM
And another thing:you are completely wrong about Vader being the only bad guy in the OT until ROTJ - what about Grand Moff Tarkin? The Emperor is also mentioned as the larger threat in ANH, and appears in TESB too.
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Right. But Tarkin and the Emperor played more supporting roles. It depends on how its handled. Virus is right about too many villains possibly overcrowding things and leading to poor development by taking time away from each other and other characters. In the last two Batman movies, having two villains was a problem. And that was compounded by also having multiple heroes (Batman, Robin, and Batgirl). It just wasn't necessary. And that's a valid concern for the new movie.

But like you point out cj790, multiple bad buys isn't always going to be bad. In this case with "Begins", I think everything will be fine. Consider "Spiderman 2". In essence, we had two villains: Doc Ock and Osborne. But there wasn't an attempt to force both into the spotlight. Ock took center stage, while Osborne stayed more in the background. Which is similar to how things have been handled in SW. And that works well. I think we'll be seeing something like that in "Begins". We won't see both Scarecrow and Ra's Al Ghul sharing the main villain spotlight. Meanwhile, on the hero side, there's just Wayne/Batman. No Robin or Batgirl, which for now is good.

[cj790]

Agreed.
And also agreed that Ken Watanabe is a fantatstic actor - I'm sure he'll deliver in this film too.

[T-bone]

I dunno - I was told by a little birdie that I should take a look at this thread because it was getting a little out of hand. Prove me wrong. Please.

[borgmatrix]

Originally posted by T'bone@Dec 15 2004, 05:07 PM
I dunno - I was told by a little birdie that I should take a look at this thread because it was getting a little out of hand. Prove me wrong. Please.
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Sure thing, Boss. I think it was just a misunderstanding. I don't think anybody intended anything negative. We seem to be getting the discussion back on track with good points all around.

[P-Ray]

Originally posted by BobPalpatine@Dec 15 2004, 12:10 AM
I was pissed that that didn't attach the trailer to Ocean's Twelve but I downloaded it today. All I can say is WOW! I have faith in this movie I really hope it doesn't let me down. The trailer looks very good though.

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Yeah, luckily I saw the trailer on Access Hollywood. I saw Blade:trinity last night and the trailer wasn't in front of it. I though it was supposed to be.

[borgmatrix]

Originally posted by P-Ray@Dec 15 2004, 08:44 PM
Yeah, luckily I saw the trailer on Access Hollywood. I saw Blade:trinity last night and the trailer wasn't in front of it. I though it was supposed to be.
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I'm loving what I'm hearing about reaction to the trailer in the theater: the audience not realizing they're watching a preview for a Batman movie, then being stunned when they see the cowl halfway through. Same thing with the teaser with a glimpse of Bats only appearing at the end. It's a great approach, definitely sending the message this is going to a very different Batman movie.

And as far as casting, I'm guessing the general public will only know what they've seen in the trailers thus far: that Christian Bale, Michael Caine, and Liam Neeson are in it. Possibly, they might have caught sight of Watanabe in the trailer. But most probably don't realize Gary Oldman and Morgan Freeman in are in it, too. I think when everyone discovers just who's in the movie and that Christopher Nolan is directing, there'll be a lot of positive buzz about "Begins".

[Virus]

Now that this movie doesn't have to compete against Indy 4, is its only competition Fantastic Four?

[borgmatrix]

Originally posted by Virus@Dec 15 2004, 10:45 PM
Now that this movie doesn't have to compete against Indy 4, is its only competition Fantastic Four?
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No idea. Is FF opening the same day as BB?

[Virus]

I was close. Here's how it goes down:

June 17th - Batman Begins
June 29th - War of the Worlds
July 1st - Fantastic Four

Not many big movies coming out on the 24th but "Fun With Dick and Jane"

[RollaFett]

Wasn't blown away by the most recent trailer, but I'm not going to let that dampen my enthusiasm for this film.

[cj790]

I didn't realise it was a Batman trailer when I saw it either (shown in the uk on Film 2004 with Jonathon Ross this week); I was getting really interested and then the suit came into view...


I didn't know about Gary Oldman and Morgan Freeman - it really does have an excellent cast!

Hopefully it will live up to the hype style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[DarthAnakin]

Anybody want to see pics of The Scarecrow?

[borgmatrix]

Originally posted by DarthAnakin@Mar 8 2005, 07:42 AM
Anybody want to see pics of The Scarecrow?
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I've seen pictures at the Toonzone forums in the Batman Begins thread (http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?t=133579&page=8). Check them out, I think they're pretty cool. A lot of new pictures of Batman are there, too. The link is to what's currently the last page of the thread, but check out the previous pages for more pics. Scarecrow's on page 7.

[RollaFett]

I saw the new pics today, and the more I see the Bat-suit, the more I dislike it. Why does it have to have such an 'armor'-type look to it? They were able to successfully pull off Spider-Man's and remain fairly faithful to the source material, but with Batman, they can't seem to get away from that armor look.

[Talcy]

In the comics, Batman is a huge man. Bruce Wayne is a huge man. I think the chances of getting an actor that big who is suitable for the role are slim. The whole point is that he is supposed to strike fear into criminals - they can't see the armoured bits as he's in the dark most of the time.

Still, I'd prefer the comic look myself. At least it looks as though they're staying true to the characters this time, huge actor or not, armour or not.

[RollaFett]

You make a good point about the sheer size of Bruce Wayne/Batman. That said, I remember costume used in the TV series 'The Flash' back in the early 90's and he was made to look pretty damn big as well and the costume didn't look like battle armor. I'm just surprised that in 2005 that they haven't been able to come up with a costume that can add bulk to a character, but still look somewhat natural.

[Talcy]

I know what you mean - but, when comparing the Spider-Man costume, which is great and quite subtle, I think to do the same to Batman would mean exaggertaing the actor's build a bit much. I always thought the costume from The Flash was a bit thick and rubbery looking, although the actor looked like quite a fairly big guy.

[borgmatrix]

Originally posted by GollaFett@Mar 8 2005, 07:52 PM
I'm just surprised that in 2005 that they haven't been able to come up with a costume that can add bulk to a character, but still look somewhat natural.
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I'll admit I don't care for the armored look, either. I think the biggest problem, though, isn't the material the suit is made of, but that sculpted look of the chest/torso. Change that, and I think the suit overall would look fine.

But ultimately it might be good they've gone this route with the suit because of the performance it will likely bring out in Christian Bale. He said in an interview that when he first put the costume on, he felt like jumping at people and beating the crap out of them. That when he wears it, he doesn't feel human, but like a creature or beast. And when it comes to some of the discomfort the suit causes, Bale has said he channels that into the aggression and rage of the character. It's been exciting for me to see the impact the suit has had on him. If he had been put in a costume more like the comics, he might not have had that same passion evoked.

[James T. Skywalker]

Batman's costume has always been armored; it's fitted with heavy kevlar to protect from bullets. Why shouldn't he be armored? He's always being shot at, and it's risky to go at it without armor, especially since he's just beginning his journey as the Batman in this film.

Perhaps in the future, we'll see just the shirt and the cape and the mask, without the heavy armor look. But he's gotta start somewhere. Once he's more confident, once he's been doing it for a while, he could take a few more risks...

~JTS

[RollaFett]

I realize that Batman wears armor, I just wish they were able to not make it as obvious looking, that's all.

[Justin]

I can't stand the costume. The cowl looks dumb, and the way the rubber bunches around his armpits looks awful. Even the nipply suit looked better.

[James T. Skywalker]

But at least they explain how he came to the suit and armor in this film! He won't just say "hey, let's try and look all studly, and oh, look at my nipples!" style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

~JTS

[Justin]

Also, Batman's uniform wouldn't be something that takes three hours to get on and off.

When I read that that's how long it takes them to put the suit on Christian Bale it was the final nail in the coffin. The suit in this movie sucks.

[Master Magnus]

Originally posted by James T. Skywalker@Mar 13 2005, 02:41 AM
But at least they explain how he came to the suit and armor in this film! He won't just say "hey, let's try and look all studly, and oh, look at my nipples!" style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

~JTS
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It's good to see you back, JTS!

I don't have any complaints about the new suit, but the new Batmobile looks more like an armored vehicle than the slimmer Batmobiles.

[borgmatrix]

Originally posted by Master Magnus@Mar 13 2005, 10:36 AM
I don't have any complaints about the new suit, but the new Batmobile looks more like an armored vehicle than the slimmer Batmobiles.
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Yeah, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. I think it looks great and, f