MOVIES: Batman [Archive] - Page 7

Justin

11-16-2007, 12:15 AM

It's relative, Justin. It's an issue of degrees. The Joker of the '89 film is tame compared to what he's been shown to be capable of at other times in the comics. There's potential to go farther with the character, and many of us believe that potential will be better realized with the Nolan/Ledger Joker.
When was the last time you watched that movie?

The Joker casually shoots people, electrocutes a dude with a joy buzzer until he's a smoldering corpse, stabs a guy in the neck with a pen, disfigures his girlfriend with acid and then attempts to do it again to Vicky Vale, murders however many people (it's not made clear) by poisoning household chemical products (which most assuredly included children, although it isn't implicitly mentioned in the film) shoots his right-hand man, and then attempts to murder the entire city with poison gas. Did I leave anything out?

How is that not murderous? I get a little irritated by all these people saying Jack Nicholson's Joker was was somehow not an accurate portrayal of the character, or that he wasn't threatening or was too cartoony, etc.

Personally, I think The Joker as portrayed in the 1989 Batman film perfectly captured the character.

That WAS the Joker, not an "interpretation," which Heath Ledger's version will no doubt be.

borgmatrix

11-16-2007, 01:03 AM

How is that not murderous? I get a little irritated by all these people saying Jack Nicholson's Joker was was somehow not an accurate portrayal of the character, or that he wasn't threatening or was too cartoony, etc.
Now wait a minute. I never said that he wasn't murderous. Not once. All I said was that the full potential of the character wasn't mined.

It's not about the death toll. It's not about the pure number of deaths. It's more about the type of plot they give Joker. It's about the tone of what's happening. Look, for example, let's say Schumacher had Freeze kill 300 people. It wouldn't matter. The tone and atmosphere of the movie was so goofy, that even with that much of a death toll, I'd be saying that they didn't do Freeze justice.

Now, obviously, Batman was nothing like that. But for a villain who's arguably Batman's greatest foe, there are far better schemes they could have used than tampering with household products. By the standards of the greatest comic Joker stories, that is lame. Quite lame. Nicholson was good. My issues more with the writing than with him. But even Nicholson didn't visibly bring the menace that I've seen depicted in Joker before. Many stories out of the comics have created a more disturbing character. A more twisted one. That's what I'd like to see.

That WAS the Joker, not an "interpretation," which Heath Ledger's version will no doubt be.
No, Justin. I don't think there's anything that can be called THE Joker. There are a lot of takes on the character and variations. They're all interpretations. But the stories that have really seemed to define Joker as he exists today, such as "Death in the Family," "The Killing Joke," or even "Mad Love" are probably the closest to a definitive take, based on fan response and their inspiration for a lot of what's been done with Joker since. That's the kind of Joker I think many would like to see.

My opinion has always been that there's greater potential for the character. I'd just like to see that realized. I'm not criticizing Nicholson, who I enjoyed watching in the role, or Burton, who's probably my favorite director. But the character can be pushed forward more, and I feel we'll see that with the next movie.

JSunday

11-16-2007, 06:54 PM

Justin

11-18-2007, 11:46 PM

I think you haven't seen that movie in a long time if you think the Joker wasn't menacing enough.

BTW, A Death in the Family is one of the most poorly written Batman stories I've ever read and one of the cheesiest depictions of the Joker printed in the last 30 years. The only thing that comic has going for it was the death of Robin, but aside from that it's extremely weak.

And I love how you talk to me like I don't know the comics, Borgmatrix. I've been reading Batman comics on a regular basis since I was 8 years old, so I think I have a pretty good grasp on the characters as they appear in comics today and throughout history.

The people who think like you do about The Joker in the 1989 Batman not being menacing enough "visually" or otherwise need to rewatch that film.

I don't understand why everyone thinks we're going to get the "definitive" Joker in The Dark Knight, when it's pretty clear that this series is not the "definitive" take on Batman, but rather a particular filmmaker's interpretation.

borgmatrix

11-19-2007, 12:57 AM

I think you haven't seen that movie in a long time if you think the Joker wasn't menacing enough.
He can be more menacing.

BTW, A Death in the Family is one of the most poorly written Batman stories I've ever read and one of the cheesiest depictions of the Joker printed in the last 30 years. The only thing that comic has going for it was the death of Robin, but aside from that it's extremely weak.
Justin, the discussion is about Joker. I wasn't reference Death for its writing quality. With that story, I was looking to the killing of Jason and his mother, and the emotional toll on Batman, as representing far more dramatic material for a Joker storyline and the kind of horror that he can commit. It stands in stark contrast to something as comparatively mundane as tampering with chemicals.

And I love how you talk to me like I don't know the comics, Borgmatrix. I've been reading Batman comics on a regular basis since I was 8 years old, so I think I have a pretty good grasp on the characters as they appear in comics today and throughout history.
Really? You did say the following, didn't you?
I don't understand why everyone thinks we're going to get the "definitive" Joker in The Dark Knight, when it's pretty clear that this series is not the "definitive" take on Batman, but rather a particular filmmaker's interpretation.
You're joking, right? How can you say you have a good grasp on comic book history when you can't recognize how heavily dependent Nolan's movie is on the comic books. The "real" Batman is that of the regular continuity comic books and Nolan's movie is largely derived from that and far, far closer to official continuity than the Burton movies. Nolan's movie mostly involves other individuals interpretations (those of the comics). And so comic book fans are expecting character portrayals that are closer to the comics. And that includes Joker.

There's very little in Begins that represents a unique vision on Nolan's part. This is the Batman of the comics that fans have been wanting to see for so long. If you want to talk about a filmmaker's interpretation (vs being "definitive"), look to Burton's movies, particularly Returns. Now there was a unique, different, and IMO very special take on Batman and Gotham. And I don't mean that as a criticism of Nolan. I loved Begins. But its nothing new, as far as the comics go. In some ways, it's almost like going through the motions. For comic fans, we've seen it all before. But I guess that's what fans want. It was filmed well, so I'm not complaining much. But it's nice (IMO) when we can get something surprising and unexpected, like we did from Burton.

Getting back to Joker, yes, he can be portrayed in a more twisted and disturbing manner. I'm not saying it's going to happen. I want it to. And I expect it to. But I could be wrong. Maybe Nicholson will end up being better. Can the character be pushed farther? Yes. Is it a necessity? No. But I, personally, would like to see that. I'm entitled to that opinion. I don't know why you seem to be taking it so personally. Its not like I'm insulting Nicholson.

And I have nothing against the Burton movies. I love them. Particularly Returns. Where most comic fans criticize the Burton movies from being too different from the comics, I tend to defend his approach and style.

Talcy

11-19-2007, 06:47 AM

I think even back in 1989 most audiences weren't aware just how murderous Nicholson's Joker was going to be, even compared to how he was in the comics back then. Why? Because most audiences don't read comics, that's why. Most folks I knew were expecting the Clown Prince of Crime, along the lines of Cesar Romero. Some folks actually thought that Adam West was going to be Batman. So, for an introduction to the Dark Knight and to a twisted Joker, I think it did pretty well. Times have changed and so have audiences' awareness of how the characters are in the modern comics, and so in that context (and to me, because I liked him) Nicholson's Joker stands up very well in cinematic terms. To me, without Nicholson's Joker, with all his poison gas, epoxy poisons, electric hand buzzers and bullets, we could have had something far more saccharin and diluted. Ergo, without Nicholson's Joker we might not have an audience who are ready for Ledger's Joker.

So, to me, the conversation is daft.

borgmatrix

11-19-2007, 12:08 PM

So, to me, the conversation is daft.
I'll agree with that. I don't quite understand it myself. And, again, I don't have a problem with Nicholson's performance, or any feeling that it hasn't aged well. And your completely right. Burton's movie had impact because so many before that thought of the Adam West Batman. Burton changed that and a lot of people discovered that comic book properties could be serious. I've never denied that impact. I like those movies.

As I've said, I'm just of the opinion that more can be done with the character and I'd like to see that. That's all. It's more an issue of the writing and the type of scheme/plot they give Joker. That's my primary issue with Batman. And then secondary to that, I think there are aspects of the performance that Ledger can bring and do differently that could be great.

Talcy

11-19-2007, 12:54 PM

Absatively posalutely! Now, where's my Smilex? :wink:

Justin

11-22-2007, 01:01 AM

How can you say you have a good grasp on comic book history when you can't recognize how heavily dependent Nolan's movie is on the comic books. The "real" Batman is that of the regular continuity comic books and Nolan's movie is largely derived from that and far, far closer to official continuity than the Burton movies. Nolan's movie mostly involves other individuals interpretations (those of the comics). And so comic book fans are expecting character portrayals that are closer to the comics. And that includes Joker.

There's very little in Begins that represents a unique vision on Nolan's part. This is the Batman of the comics that fans have been wanting to see for so long.
Batman Begins isn't Batman from the comics, it's "what if Batman existed in the real world?"

Christopher Nolan made the decision to eschew any sense of the fantastic from the series, which is a personal interpretation he made as a filmmaker.

Is that wrong? No, it works in and of itself for his films, but it's a big departure from the source material.

Batman Begins was definitley not the Batman of the current comics continuity (it's clear you aren't reading them) because current comics still retain that element of the fantastic which is missing from this series.

For example, in the comics right now they are bringing back Ra's al Ghul, and his resurrection is being done through mysticism. Would anything like that happen in the Christopher Nolan Batman films? No.

Disregarding for a moment the storytelling style of the series, a lot of the little details are significantly different.

I loved Batman Begins, I think a "real world" interpretation of Batman is interesting (especially compared to the neon pink ridiculousness of Batman & Robin) but it's not the "definitive" version of Batman, and it has some drawbacks in my opinion.

I think this will all become starkly apparent when The Dark Knight is released next summer.

I'm looking forward to it, I think it will be an awesome movie and I'm looking forward to seeing Heath Ledger's performance as The Joker (as well as Aaron Eckhardt as Harvey Dent), but it's clearly Christopher Nolan's Batman.

BTW, I wasn't talking about Batman Returns, that is an awesome movie but it isn't a very good adaptation of the comics at all. Still a far superior film to Forever or & Robin (haha) and I think it's great in and of itself.

The 1989 Batman film however really captured the tone and feel of the Batman comics, and is in my opinion the second best comics-to-film adaptation of all time.

I'm not saying Batman Begins isn't an excellent film though, I would definitely put it somewhere in the top five greatest superhero films.

Mark Skywalker

11-22-2007, 10:35 AM

Mark Skywalker

11-22-2007, 10:43 AM

UPDATE #6: And the mail has arrived! Fans have started posting on the SHH! Boards (http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=289216&page=28) that their special package has come which includes 25 copies of "The Gotham Times" newspaper (4 pages long), including about 20 articles "ranging from Bruce Wayne's partying ways, to Batman saving the day, to Harvey Dent tip lines bringing in corrupt cops." You can view pics

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c63/sufiseant/DSCN0106.jpg
http://app4.websitetonight.com/projects/5/2/3/4/523431/_mygallery/tgt2.jpg

Raganork8

11-22-2007, 10:44 AM

That was very cool thank you M.S.

Mark Skywalker

11-22-2007, 10:45 AM

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c63/sufiseant/DSCN0107.jpg
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c63/sufiseant/DSCN0108.jpg
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c63/sufiseant/DSCN0109.jpg

Mark Skywalker

11-22-2007, 10:46 AM

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c63/sufiseant/DSCN0117.jpg
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c63/sufiseant/DSCN0118.jpg
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c63/sufiseant/DSCN0120.jpg

Mark Skywalker

11-22-2007, 10:49 AM

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c63/sufiseant/DSCN0119.jpg
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c63/sufiseant/DSCN0121.jpg
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c63/sufiseant/DSCN0116.jpg

Mark Skywalker

11-22-2007, 10:50 AM

http://app4.websitetonight.com/projects/5/2/3/4/523431/_mygallery/tgt3.jpg
http://app4.websitetonight.com/projects/5/2/3/4/523431/_mygallery/tgt4.jpg

Mark Skywalker

11-22-2007, 10:52 AM

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c63/sufiseant/DSCN0105.jpg
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c63/sufiseant/DSCN0103.jpg

Kapit

11-23-2007, 03:25 AM

Badass pics! Thanks Mark!

I sent an email out to "humanresources@whysoserious.com" and got back this message:

See you found my little message. So, do you think you have what it takes to be a part of my circle of friends? Are you a backstabbing, self-promoting, ambitious clown who will do anything to prove yourself to me? If so, the first step of your application process awaits...if you know where to look.

Raganork8

11-23-2007, 09:03 AM

you should have received and Email shortly after telling you if the picture you sent was accepted.

None of mine were.

If you sent a picture.

Mark Skywalker

11-23-2007, 03:16 PM

The Official Newspaper of Gotham City
The Gotham Time (http://www.thegothamtimes.com/page1.htm)

The Joker's version
The Ha Ha Ha Time (http://www.thehahahatimes.com/default.htm)

:happydance:

Mark Skywalker

11-23-2007, 03:19 PM

Clues found so far in The Joker's re-vamped Newspaper

Gotham streets turned into
killed in
after midnight, attempting to
Late last night, police
press conference
continue to take every
crime
Mob watchers said the
alignment
his own political
protect Gotham citizens
the soaring crime rate
His
pater families (?)
I lived through
to even acknowledge that
up they were by
a
Your email address
material
to get in front of as
it's the space between (scribbled around, must be important)
busted imported
killed
exploited
cameras on him (again scribbled around)
crime

Mark Skywalker

11-23-2007, 03:56 PM

UPDATE

Gotham Streets turned into
Killed in
after midnight attempting to
late last night police
press confrence
contunie to take every
crime
mob watchers said the
alignment
his own political
protect gotham citizens
the soaring crime rate
his
pater familas as
I lived through
even aknowledge that
up they were by
a
your email address and
material
of child hood never
young
young pretty and full
their time selling the
home to these days
by walking hours
their parents
look ahead
day that broke all or our
but now after the thefts, I look
to get in front of
its the space between
busted imported
killed
exploited
cameras on him
time

Mark Skywalker

11-23-2007, 03:58 PM

Their are more clues to be found at these sites

http://www.wearetheanswer.org (http://www.wearetheanswer.org/)
http://www.gothampolice.com (http://www.gothampolice.com/)
http://www.rememberinggina.org/
http://gothamnationalbank.com/default.htm

Mark Skywalker

11-23-2007, 04:53 PM

Update more sites

http://www.gothamcityrail.com/
http://www.arkhamasylum.com/
http://www.gothamcityhall.com/ (http://www.arkhamasylum.com/)

Mark Skywalker

11-23-2007, 06:41 PM

Update

http://www.whysoserious.com/personalityprofile/

Kapit

11-24-2007, 04:12 AM

That was fun, but I sucked and got a lame middle of the road

darthimmus

11-24-2007, 11:54 AM

I got "Belly Buster"

Mark Skywalker

11-24-2007, 10:24 PM

I got "Hilarious"

kopernikuz

11-24-2007, 11:06 PM

Hilarious here too :)

Morridini

11-25-2007, 06:29 AM

I don't know what I got, the lights didn't stop on one thing, but on a lot of things...

Justin

11-25-2007, 11:24 PM

I got laugh riot

Raganork8

11-26-2007, 08:57 AM

I don't know what I got, the lights didn't stop on one thing, but on a lot of things...

Yea, how do you know which one you got?

kopernikuz

11-26-2007, 10:06 AM

The lights indicate the level you achieved. So how far up the lights light is the one you got.

For example, if the "**" are the lit up ones

.... A Scream ....
... Top Banana ...
..... Hilarious .....
** BellyBuster **
** Laugh Riot ***
** Class Clown **
** Wisecracker **
**** Punster ****
***** Mime *****

The level in this would be "Belly Buster"... make sense?

Morridini

11-26-2007, 01:25 PM

Aaaaaaahhhaaaaaaaaa......

Then I got Laugh Riot.

Talcy

11-26-2007, 02:19 PM

http://www.empireonline.com/heiscoming/

He is coming.

Morridini

11-26-2007, 03:01 PM

Ooh, soon first good look at the Joker?

kopernikuz

11-26-2007, 03:01 PM

I wish I could subscribe to that darn magazine here in the U.S.

empire21

11-26-2007, 06:00 PM

http://www.empireonline.com/heiscoming/

He is coming.

Nice socks. :P

darthimmus

11-26-2007, 06:50 PM

I wonder if that ties in to the old "See you in December" line?

Raganork8

11-26-2007, 07:32 PM

<tt>Service Note: Due to ongoing repair work on the system between Wayne
Central Station and The Narrows Station, shuttle service will be running
between Wayne Central Station and the Prosper Street Station where
customers can use their transfer for service across the Rootsville Bridge.

Thank you for contacting Gotham City Rail feedback. We take all
comments seriously. Your comment will be screened and passed on for review
to the relevant supervisor. Your comments help us improve.

Customer Service
Gotham City Rail
Gotham On the Move!

This is what i got when i sent gotham city rail an email
</tt></pre>

Kapit

11-27-2007, 01:55 AM

Joker in a chair! OMFG!

Mark Skywalker

11-27-2007, 11:07 AM

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b169/Kartoffelkopf/SHFFRPZ1293129-1.jpg
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b304/JackBauer24/tfjoker.jpg
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b304/JackBauer24/tfbatman.jpg

P-Ray

11-27-2007, 01:34 PM

Oh that Joker Empire cover is awesome!:yeah:

Raganork8

11-27-2007, 02:08 PM

Now that...is awesome.

RollaFett

11-27-2007, 05:03 PM

I can't complain, but I will anyway. I wish his hair was just a a bit more green.

P-Ray

11-27-2007, 05:13 PM

I can't complain, but I will anyway. I wish his hair was just a a bit more green.
I was just noticing that myself right before I read your post!

His face makeup is all smeared as well. Maybe this pic took place after a fight scene or something?

RollaFett

11-27-2007, 05:23 PM

P-Ray

11-27-2007, 05:32 PM

Well, i have the impression that we're not going to get the 'cleanest' looking Joker in this film. Probably a bit dissheveled, y'know? So the makeup not being pristine doesn't surprise me. Nor does the hair really, it's just that I wish it was greener anyway.
I tell you what though...with that pic, I am so ready for this movie!:wink:

RollaFett

11-27-2007, 08:47 PM

Yes. Me too. I shouldn't have forgotten to mention that. Green hair be damned, I'm definately even more excited now after finally seeing the Joker.

empire21

11-27-2007, 08:50 PM

I just really like the fact that he looks like a nut case in that pic. :lol:

Raganork8

11-27-2007, 09:00 PM

<tt><tt>If you've finished my quiz, then it's time for the next step in the
interview process, something to test your aptitude. Spaces count:

* Eighth
* Sixth
* Eighth
* Ninth
* Ninth
* Second
* Fourth
* Second
* Third

New message from you know who
</tt></tt></pre>

Mark Skywalker

11-27-2007, 09:03 PM

Well, i have the impression that we're not going to get the 'cleanest' looking Joker in this film. Probably a bit dissheveled, y'know? So the makeup not being pristine doesn't surprise me. Nor does the hair really, it's just that I wish it was greener anyway.

I have a feeling that by the end of the movie (Just like in the first movie with The Scarecrow wearing the trenchcoat) The Joker's make up will become
permanent .

Mark Skywalker

11-27-2007, 09:08 PM

P-Ray

11-27-2007, 09:36 PM

I just really like the fact that he looks like a nut case in that pic. :lol:
That's what I liked as well!:)

Raganork8

11-27-2007, 09:38 PM

http://www.whysoserious.com/mausoleum/

OMG i must be stupid!!!

I can't get it

kopernikuz

11-27-2007, 10:04 PM

Try to open it in the morning at exactly 7:38 AM

Or just reset your computer clock to 7:38 AM and do it now, lol :P

Raganork8

11-27-2007, 10:18 PM

WTF?

Kapit

11-27-2007, 11:20 PM

I don't feel like solving the puzzle, so I'll let someone else get it :lol:

As for the Joker pic...Muy Excelente!

P-Ray

11-28-2007, 08:13 AM

The Dark Knight (http://movies.go.com/dark-knight/d894902/action)
Fashion Victim While this page (http://www.empireonline.com/heiscoming/) is slowly revealing a new photo of Heath Ledger (http://movies.go.com/moviesproxy/buzzbin?columnid=928393&CMP=ILC-Flash1#) as the Joker, over here (http://www.joblo.com/meet-the-joker) you can actually see the finished, full picture of the villain wearing a crazy green vest and multicolored socks. Heck, he doesn't look so scary. My nutty Uncle Bill wears the exact same outfit every Christmas.

movies.com

JSunday

11-28-2007, 08:43 AM

He's not supposed to look scary. The monster from The THING is scary. He's supposed to look psychotic. So I worry for your family at Christmas then. Did anyone ever look LESS scary than Nicholson??

kopernikuz

11-28-2007, 11:12 AM

I can't take full credit for figuring it out... my buddy figured out that it was a time lock, not a combo... but here's what I did:

The Joker's note has blood stains. Check out the letters that the blood stains touch. They form an anagram... after rearranging the letters it spells out: "Time For Taffy".

Next... read the Gotham Times. The main article is about a huge mob war that lasted like all day. If you read it, the war started with the assassination of Johnny "Taffyface" Linata at exactly at 7:38 AM. 7:38 AM was the "time for Taffy" ;)

I tried the time in various turnings of the combo, but was sure it had to be right. I started getting pretty frustrated. My buddy said... what if it's a time lock, like at a bank? So we changed the computer time, and then clicked it... Bingo.

Mark Skywalker

11-28-2007, 11:36 AM

http://www.empireonline.com/news/feed.asp?NID=21560

Raganork8

11-28-2007, 01:16 PM

You may also notice that I.D. Card on the table has a serial number that matches the differences in the numbers emailed to some of us folks.

If i remember correctly it was 3 2 4 2 9

that would equal 1 2 2 2 7; but when we add the original numbers in we get

1 2 4 2 7

the sequence is difference, actual number, actual number, difference, difference.

I think.

Raganork8

11-28-2007, 06:26 PM

<tt><tt>As part of the ongoing investigation into corruption in the Gotham City
Police Department, the officer(s) you have reported have already been
suspended from duty and charged. We anticipate that these officers
will be brought to trial within the next few months. Your information
will certainly be considered as part of that process.

Thank you for doing your part in making Gotham City better, safer,
stronger. Together, We Are The Answer.

Looks like I got someone fired.
</tt></tt></pre>

Raganork8

11-28-2007, 06:45 PM

I sent a tip to the GCPD about the commissioner as well and got this back.

<tt><tt>Please be assured that no one is above the law, and so as part of the
ongoing investigation into department corruption, Commissioner Loeb has
opened his office to investigators. There is no evidence at this time
of wrongdoing on the part of the Commissioner.

Please be assured that the Gotham City DA takes all information
seriously and confidentially. Your information will be reviewed as part of
this investigation.

Thank you for doing your part in making Gotham City better, safer,
stronger. Together, We Are The Answer</tt></tt></pre>

Mark Skywalker

11-28-2007, 08:56 PM

http://i5.tinypic.com/8flp6y9.jpg

Raganork8

11-28-2007, 09:57 PM

www.gothamcityhall.com

it's not up yet; but, it's under construction so keep an eye out

Mark Skywalker

11-29-2007, 08:35 PM

New Joker picture from"Wizard"

http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc131/Jokerfan1980/195c.jpg

http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc131/Jokerfan1980/joke2sl5.png

Kapit

11-30-2007, 03:12 AM

I say...perfect.

Orandhite

11-30-2007, 07:18 AM

Agreed, a much more messed up psychopathic looking Joker than the previous portrayal. He really looks sinister and intimidating.

Mark Skywalker

11-30-2007, 01:10 PM

Behind The scenes of THE DARK KNIGHT on The Today show .

YouTube - The Dark Knight - The Today Show (Nov.30th)

Kapit

11-30-2007, 01:26 PM

They used one of the fake Joker pics....great job, Today Show...

As far as the suit goes, it looks very, very slimmed down from the usual bulky armor look. I like it.

Morridini

11-30-2007, 01:39 PM

Haha, couldn't help but laughing when they showed the "leaked" fake Joker shot.

Suit looks nice yeah, can't wait to see my favorite Batman character Harvey Dent!!!

Raganork8

11-30-2007, 02:06 PM

Thanks Mark Skywalker!

RollaFett

11-30-2007, 03:24 PM

Yeah, that was cool. LOL about the wrong Joker photo! When was that report anyway? There's been a enough time to have at least the closeup of the face that came out a couple of months ago. Jeez.

As far as the suit goes, yes, it does look very streamlined and not very bulky at all. looking forward to 'really' seeing it in a trailer.

Kapit

11-30-2007, 03:29 PM

For all those that are curious...it was today's (November 30) Today show, so there's no excuse for them having the wrong Joker pic

RollaFett

11-30-2007, 03:32 PM

Geez, that is really pathetic. Not only was there the old closeup pic from a couple of months ago, but they could've had the brand new pics that are floating around this week. What a bunch of hacks.

borgmatrix

11-30-2007, 04:17 PM

As far as the suit goes, yes, it does look very streamlined and not very bulky at all. looking forward to 'really' seeing it in a trailer.
The cowl looks horrible, though. It's kind of thin in the lower half of his face, and then really bulky and kind of out of proportion in the forehead area. Look at that last view of him in the video segment above. Not good, IMO.

Like you said, the real test is how it looks in motion when we actually get to see the movie. Hard to really assess things from brief clips. But I'm still more than disappointed that they couldn't do what other superhero franchises are doing, and adapt something that looks more like the comics and more natural for the character.

RollaFett

11-30-2007, 04:25 PM

Heh, heh...yeah, I noticed that about the cowl as well. Made his head look a little like Charlie Brown. Y'know, very top heavy with pencil thin neck.

Orandhite

11-30-2007, 04:30 PM

Agreed - not the best Batman suit...

borgmatrix

11-30-2007, 04:30 PM

Heh, heh...yeah, I noticed that about the cowl as well. Made his head look a little like Charlie Brown. Y'know, very top heavy with pencil thin neck.
:grin: And Batman should not be conjuring up images of good ol' Charlie Brown.

RollaFett

11-30-2007, 04:33 PM

Right. That said, I do like the streamlined look. Hopefully, it'll help take away from the armored look a little. The fact that he'll FINALLY be able to swivel his head is definately a good thing.

Raganork8

11-30-2007, 05:40 PM

Falcone Just called my cell phone

and left me a pretty foul message now i gotta know where to look.

P-Ray

11-30-2007, 06:04 PM

The cowl looks horrible, though. It's kind of thin in the lower half of his face, and then really bulky and kind of out of proportion in the forehead area. Look at that last view of him in the video segment above. Not good, IMO.
Yes, that looks wierd!

Neck looks too skinny!

Orandhite

11-30-2007, 06:09 PM

Looks like the Bale from The Machinist in a Batman costume!

P-Ray

11-30-2007, 06:11 PM

Yeah, he looked so much bulkier in Begins!

Orandhite

11-30-2007, 06:17 PM

Amazing to believe he went from The Machinist to Begins. The scene where he falls forward to do press-ups - man if I tried that, I'd break my wrists, crumple my forearms and pop my shoulders!

empire21

11-30-2007, 06:20 PM

The scene where he falls forward to do press-ups - man if I tried that, I'd break my wrists, crumple my forearms and pop my shoulders!

I actually did try that and let me tell you that it didn't work the way I hoped it would. :P

Orandhite

11-30-2007, 06:23 PM

You crazy young fool! :D

Raganork8

11-30-2007, 07:40 PM

I can get top banana on the personality quiz.'

AndI wish someone could let me know, what to do now that some "thug" called me about my tip to www.wearetheanswer.org

Kapit

11-30-2007, 07:45 PM

I dunno, maybe look for the name of some police officer in the newspapers and try submitting that name as a tip?

Raganork8

11-30-2007, 07:54 PM

I dunno, maybe look for the name of some police officer in the newspapers and try submitting that name as a tip?

I did that that;s how they called me and he gave me a code and told me to use it if i knew where to look

Kapit

11-30-2007, 08:12 PM

is there some other site that needs a code? yet another of the various Gotham City sites? caue I'm not seeing anything with on the We Are The Answer that has to do w/ entering a code

Raganork8

11-30-2007, 08:20 PM

me either thats why i'm so damned confused. if anyone needs the code i'll let you know; but, we have to figure out where to put it first.

I'm still trying to get "A scream" out of the personality quiz.

borgmatrix

12-01-2007, 12:07 AM

Amazing to believe he went from The Machinist to Begins.
And the way in which he did it! According to Bale, he took a very unhealthy approach. When they told him he needed to be bigger, his approach to was to eat as much as he could. When he showed up, they weren't too happy as he was more "fatman" than batman. As he's said, not the healthiest thing to go from one extreme to the other over such a short period of time.

The scene where he falls forward to do press-ups - man if I tried that, I'd break my wrists, crumple my forearms and pop my shoulders!
I can't remember, did he fall onto his knuckles or his palms? My Shihan could do that, falling from a standing position into push-up position on his knuckles. Definitely impressive. Yeah, I won't be trying that anytime soon.

Kapit

12-01-2007, 12:22 AM

I can't remember, did he fall onto his knuckles or his palms? My Shihan could do that, falling from a standing position into push-up position on his knuckles. Definitely impressive. Yeah, I won't be trying that anytime soon.

We couldn't see, he just fell outta frame.

So for all we know he might've landed on a mat :lol:

Orandhite

12-01-2007, 06:44 AM

^ :rofl: Good point!

When it cuts to him on the floor he is palms down.

Mark Skywalker

12-01-2007, 10:02 AM

MORE viral sites (More clues to be found .)

- GothamUSD.net (http://www.gothamusd.net/)
- GothamCab.com (http://www.gothamcab.com/)
- ACMESecuritySystems.com (http://www.acmesecuritysystems.com/)
- GVAFoundation.org (http://www.gvafoundation.org/)
- GPDIAD.com (http://www.gpdiad.com/).

Raganork8

12-01-2007, 12:07 PM

thanks Mark skywalker

and you're one away!

RollaFett

12-01-2007, 12:33 PM

I do pushups quite a bit, and I'm always tempted to try that falling straight down thing, but never have the balls to do so.

empire21

12-01-2007, 01:35 PM

I do pushups quite a bit, and I'm always tempted to try that falling straight down thing, but never have the balls to do so.

Well, when I did it one part of my body that got hurt when I fell is in that sentence of yours.

Orandhite

12-01-2007, 01:38 PM

Are you particularly "dangly" then, or something?

empire21

12-01-2007, 01:40 PM

Are you particularly "dangly" then, or something?

LOL!

Try it and when you fall flat on your front you'll see what I mean.

Orandhite

12-01-2007, 01:41 PM

I'm scared! I'll take your word for it. ;)

Tovor

12-01-2007, 01:42 PM

Well, when I did it one part of my body that got hurt when I fell is in that sentence of yours.
Are you particularly "dangly" then, or something?

Perhaps you need the Nut Bra for your dilemna?

http://www.dailyhaha.com/_vids/nut_bra.htm

JSunday

12-02-2007, 02:47 PM

Not sure if you all have seen these promos:

http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/5761/batmanjokerdd3.jpg

http://www.aintitcool.com/images2007/TwoJokersClose.jpg

http://www.aintitcool.com/images2007/TwoJokersFull.jpg

Mark Skywalker

12-02-2007, 04:39 PM

New pics

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v83/Geijutsuka/SHH%20stuff/promo1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v83/Geijutsuka/SHH%20stuff/promo2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v83/Geijutsuka/SHH%20stuff/promo3.jpg

Uruloki.org (http://www.uruloki.org/felipeblog/cine-de-ciencia-ficcin/exclusiva-mundial-seis-fotos-promocionales-de-the-dark-knight-nunca-vistas-y-otras-noticias-de-domingo)

Kapit

12-02-2007, 07:28 PM

Ya know, that new Batsuit...something just seems kinda off...

Joker looks badass, though

P-Ray

12-02-2007, 07:31 PM

Absolutely love the pics!

Have I mentioned how I can't wait to see this movie!:w00t:

P-Ray

12-02-2007, 07:34 PM

Trailer update!

http://www.comingsoon.net/news/startreknews.php?id=39869

Mark Skywalker

12-02-2007, 07:35 PM

In just two weeks, on December 14, Warner Bros. will release the teaser trailer for Batman Begins sequel The Dark Knight in standard theaters with I Am Legend. As was previously announced, the studio will be showing the 7-minute opening scene of "Dark Knight" before the screenings of "Legend" in IMAX.

http://www.comingsoon.net/news/startreknews.php?id=39869

Tovor

12-02-2007, 07:47 PM

I dig the new armored suit. :ok:

Kapit

12-02-2007, 07:53 PM

Well I guess I gotta go catch I Am Legend on IMAX then :D

Mark Skywalker

12-02-2007, 10:09 PM

Look's Like BATMAN BEYOND's Terry McGinnis Wayne is now official apart of The DCU .

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/Countdown/Marts/22/CTDWN21-10.jpg

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthrea...=1#post4800627 (http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?p=4800627&posted=1#post4800627)

Kapit

12-02-2007, 10:14 PM

^ so maybe that there explains what's going to happen once Bruce Wayne transcends life and becomes a God...or whatever that article I read was

P-Ray

12-02-2007, 10:23 PM

Is that from Countdown?

JSunday

12-03-2007, 09:08 AM

RollaFett

12-03-2007, 04:57 PM

Damn, I want greener hair. Don't look like I'm gonna get that, though.

Justin

12-03-2007, 09:22 PM

I don't know man, I'm really not feeling the whole crack-***** look. The Joker is supposed to look classy. But like I said, this is Christopher Nolan's interpretation of the Batman Mythos, so we're going to see different stuff.

Raganork8

12-03-2007, 09:46 PM

New message from the joker

<tt>Heads up, clown! Tomorrow means that there's one last shifty step left
in the interview process:

Arwoeufgryo</tt></pre>

kopernikuz

12-04-2007, 12:05 AM

The Joker is supposed to look classy.
Not always. He's been bedraggled and psychotic at other times... in fact I've liked that Joker. I like most incarnations actually, so I find it difficult to be disappointed by Ledger's so far, there are elements we've seen before. Besides, I really haven't been expecting the comic book visage, because with Begins you could really imagine it as real... I think it was careful to make it look like this could be a real story (to a certain extent) and there was little cartoonish about it. This Joker is no cartoon. This guy looks like someone who went apeS&*t and psychotic.

For me though, the Joker will need to come through in the performance more than the look. That's just me.

Mark Skywalker

12-04-2007, 12:10 AM

Full JOKER Image from Wizard magazine
http://wizarduniverse.com/_images_/006550/Dark%20Knight%20Opener.JPG

http://www.wizarduniverse.com/movies/batmanbegins2/006550689.cfm

Kapit

12-04-2007, 02:35 AM

See Rolla, his hair is green...just not DayGlo green

Mark Skywalker

12-04-2007, 02:41 AM

new site

http://whysoserious.com/steprightup/

You Can see THE JOKER's relfection in the monkey's eyes.

Mark Skywalker

12-04-2007, 03:01 AM

New message from the joker

<tt>Heads up, clown! Tomorrow means that there's one last shifty step left
in the interview process:

Arwoeufgryo</tt>

ARWOEUFGRYO spells out step right up if you move your fingers to the right of the keyboard one key.

Kapit

12-04-2007, 03:06 AM

9 hours and 50 minutes till what?

Since TDK's trailer is being released with I Am Legend this week, I'm guessing they're gonna premiere it online at Noon EST.

Mark Skywalker

12-04-2007, 01:36 PM

http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/8774/25192170pb2.jpg

http://whysoserious.com/steprightup/

Morridini

12-04-2007, 01:45 PM

Quit favoring the US silly Nolan....

Mark Skywalker

12-04-2007, 03:34 PM

*UPDATE*
> The addresses on the stuffed animals are Bakerys (DONT CALL)
> They are holding cakes with aparently phone numbers on them

>Pic of cake and prize

The cake:
http://bp2.blogger.com/_EQ2-xqECTwY/R1WZROWjRvI/AAAAAAAAAFk/n6526RCzHHI/s320/cake.jpg

The package:
http://bp3.blogger.com/_EQ2-xqECTwY/R1WZReWjRwI/AAAAAAAAAFs/l_aAKXwrwKA/s320/insides.jpg

The contents: http://bp0.blogger.com/_EQ2-xqECTwY/R1WZRuWjRxI/AAAAAAAAAF0/VLkJ1yHgamA/s320/package.jpg

The note says "Wow, you really took the cake! Now, put the icing on it: call (phone number) immediately from this phone and THIS PHONE ONLY. Do NOT give this phone number to anyone else.

Let's hope your fellow goons come through as well as you. Once all the layers are in place, you'll all get your just desserts. I'm a man of my word"

Upon calling the number you get a voicemail that says "Thank you for calling clowns for hire! Now we know who you are!"

You then get a text message from human resources saying "Good work, clown! Keep this phone charged and with you at all times. Don't call me, I'll call you...eventually."

http://slaughteristhebestmedicine.blogspot.com/2007/12/joker-needs-you.html

kopernikuz

12-04-2007, 05:52 PM

9 hours and 50 minutes till what?

Since TDK's trailer is being released with I Am Legend this week, I'm guessing they're gonna premiere it online at Noon EST.
I wasn't aware I Am Legend is coming out this week... I thought it was 12/14?

P-Ray

12-04-2007, 06:45 PM

Description of the first 6 mins of The dark Knight!

http://www.aintitcoolnews.com/node/34961

Mark Skywalker

12-04-2007, 06:56 PM

http://whysoserious.com/steprightup/pairofjokers.htm
http://whysoserious.com/steprightup/register.aspx

At Last The First poster (A Teaser Poster)

http://whysoserious.com/steprightup/imgs/postersmall.jpg
:yes It's Official

kopernikuz

12-04-2007, 06:59 PM

Nice... looking forward to it.

empire21

12-04-2007, 08:47 PM

Oh that's just awesome!

Mark Skywalker

12-04-2007, 09:04 PM

Pure GENIUS , that poster is so like the sort of thing The JOKER would do to a wall for fun .

Mark Skywalker

12-04-2007, 09:49 PM

http://slaughteristhebestmedicine.blogspot.com/2007_12_01_archive.html

http://batman.wikibruce.com/Home

P-Ray

12-04-2007, 10:38 PM

The Dark Knight (http://movies.go.com/dark-knight/d894902/action)
The Joker's On Us There's a new teaser poster (http://www.cinematical.com/2007/12/04/the-dark-knight-teaser-poster/) out and reports now say Batman doesn't even appear in the film's first six minutes, which will be shown before I Am Legend IMAX screenings. Instead, the Joker pulls off a bank robbery then kills his henchmen, who are all dressed like clowns. I ask you, is that something Jack Nicholson (http://movies.go.com/moviesproxy/buzzbin?columnid=929509&CMP=ILC-Flash1#) would have done?

movies.com

Kapit

12-05-2007, 03:06 PM

I wasn't aware I Am Legend is coming out this week... I thought it was 12/14?

:D guess who got that wrong?

Anywho...the poster is awesome. I got myself a new desktop, and guess what else? There's a high possibility that I'm getting that poster!

kopernikuz

12-05-2007, 03:32 PM

:D guess who got that wrong?
You? :P

Kapit

12-05-2007, 03:37 PM

No, it was Emp. He fed me wrong info, and like an idiot, I thought it was reliable info coming from a normally reliable Canadian.

Guess I'll never trust one of them again.

empire21

12-05-2007, 08:06 PM

No, it was Emp. He fed me wrong info, and like an idiot, I thought it was reliable info coming from a normally reliable Canadian.

Guess I'll never trust one of them again.

I smell some bull:censored:. :glare:

Mark Skywalker

12-05-2007, 10:46 PM

Imprisoned mob boss Carmine Falcone (Tom Wilkinson) disappeared during the chaos in the Narrows that followed the mass Arkham Asylum escape at the end of "Batman Begins". Without that central figurehead, the city's organized crime families have begun a turf war of open assassinations, revenge killings and drive-by shootings with each thinking they've the upper hand and none willing to back down.

The fight is now taking place between three key players - the remnants of the Falcone empire led by Sal Maroni (Eric Roberts), a ruthless organization of Russian mercenaries led by a figurehead named 'The Chechen' (Ritchie Coster), and a gang of street thugs led by Gambol (Michael Jai White). Several dozen mobsters were killed, with dozens of innocents either hurt or killed in the crossfire on Thanksgiving when negotiations between the groups failed to yield a satisfactory response.

Harvey Dent (Aaron Eckhart) is a prosecutor for Acting District Attorney Roger Garcetti's office and a very ambitious and media savvy one who is using the gang warfare and the issue of police corruption to further his career and is looking likely to challenge Garcetti for the top job of DA.

The press portrays Batman as heroic, saving a family from the turf war and stopping fights where he can. He's appeared nearly two dozen times, in the process stopping a bank robbery and a post office bombing. DA Garcetti calls him a "dangerous vigilante" and at least one person he saved is suing him for reckless destruction of property.

Politicians are undecided, worried that endorsing Batman will unleash more vigilantes, but happy that his efforts are quelling crime. Mayor Anthony Garcia (Nestor Carbonell) is opposed to him, but the public vote is almost unanimously pro-Batman and so won't publicly speak out against him.

Bruce Wayne is keeping up his playboy reputation, and Wayne Enterprises is rebuilding the monorail system devastated in the attacks. Wayne himself isn't particularly enamoring himself to the public, and delays on the repairs to the monorail system is angering residents. Also, Lt. Jim Gordon (Gary Oldman) has been promoted to head up the newly formed Major Crimes Unit (MCU), and a coalition of citizen-activist groups is also at large, fed up with the corruption and ineffectiveness of the Gotham City Police Department.

The city itself is suffering from a exodus of residents fleeing in fear, an economic shortfall, and overcrowded mental hospitals due to the fear toxin attack still having some long-lasting effects thanks to remnants of it remaining in the water supply. Also many of the corrupt cops that worked for Falcone have been implicated, but have not yet gone to trial.

http://www.darkhorizons.com/news07/071205a.php

Kapit

12-06-2007, 12:27 AM

I smell some bull:censored:. :glare:

Then stop standing in the cow field

Orandhite

12-06-2007, 08:05 AM

Great post Mark - I cannot WAIT for this movie! There seems to be loads going into this movie, and I just hope it lives up to the hype it is creating for itself. :yeah:

P-Ray

12-06-2007, 08:20 AM

Great post Mark - I cannot WAIT for this movie! There seems to be loads going into this movie, and I just hope it lives up to the hype it is creating for itself. :yeah:
Well if it's even close to Begins, it will be excellent!:wink:

Orandhite

12-06-2007, 08:23 AM

Definitely!

Is it out yet? What about now? Now? No? Maybe now?

Yes, I am being very impatient! :D

Raganork8

12-06-2007, 08:55 AM

I don't know if this was said, but whysoserious was giving out free tickets to the I am Legend screening.

I didn't get one; but, one of the people i met during the whole Cake thing might be letting me use her extra one.

The cake adventure was fun remind me to tell you how it went and how WB screwed it up for a few people.

see you later, wish me luck on the extra ticket.

Orandhite

12-06-2007, 10:24 AM

Dude, good luck! I am jealous!

Mark Skywalker

12-06-2007, 12:50 PM

New Christopher Nolan Interview from (IGN)

http://movies.ign.com/articles/839/839933p1.html

RollaFett

12-06-2007, 04:56 PM

Hmmm...I'm a little confused. Does it mean that certain parts of the film itself was shot in IMAX, or that they shot extra footage in IMAX for things like this segment that'll be included with "I Am Legend"?

kopernikuz

12-06-2007, 05:28 PM

My understanding is that it is regular footage from the film, not additional scenes, that are just filmed in IMAX with the IMAX camera... I think IMAX viewers will see the same film everyone else sees.... just bigger and better looking.

RollaFett

12-06-2007, 05:58 PM

Ahhh...that sounds better. Cool beans, because there's an IMAX near me.

Raganork8

12-06-2007, 08:41 PM

Here we go; If you don't know, I saw the footage.

If you don't want to read it don't highlight it, as I cannot remember the spoiler tag thing.

So, the theater turned out to be packed when the show began. I in my clown make up sat top center row.

The thing begins with a close shot of a building and it comes in, until a window is shattered. Inside are two men in clown mask, fiddling with some grappling equipment; they shoot it to the next building and swing across.

Next shot shows a man holding a clown mask waiting on the curb, a truck comes in and he gets in. The men in the truck talk about "the joker" some. explaining he wears makeup and is crazy. They entire a bank and starting shooting and telling people to put their hands down. The men on the roof are disabling the silent alarm and after all that is set, the second man shoots the first after he disables it. Two more men go into the safe and start putting large equipment on it to open it.

Back to the people, The bank director is watching calmly as people are being handed grenades to hold as to keep them from moving around. It's at that point the bank director comes out with a shot gun and shoots a clown in the back (leaving two) and then shoots keeping the other two at bay behind a counter.

In the safe room the guy gets the safe open and says something to the effect of "I had to get rid of the other guy, under joker's orders so we can have a larger share"

The second guy says "Funny he told me something similar" and shoots the guy opening the safe.

Back to the main room, the director has the two remaining clowns hiding, one guy ask if he's out of ammo, the other answers that he is. The first guy stands and and is shot; by the director, the other clown then stands and shoots the director in the arm.

It's now that the safe clown comes back in with the money and observes the other uninjured clown shoot the other.

"I suppose the joker's ordered you to kill me too" the safe clown ask witha gun pointed to the other clown

"No I kill the bus driver"

"bus driver?"

A bus crashes into the bank and kills that man, the driver comes out and ask:

"what happened to the other guys-" he's shot by the clown. The director then goes off yelling how criminals are silly to believe that there's any honor in crime, that this clown's boss will kill him once he brings him the money and yelling:

"What do you believe in!?"

The clown goes to the director and takes off his mask(revealing himself as being the joker) and says

"I believe that anything that doesn't kill you makes you stranger" he then puts something that looks like a grenade in his mouth, the wire is in his pocket and Joker goes into the bus and drives off, the wire breaks off and the director braces for explosion; but, only gas comes out.

The scene ends with a long line of school buses driving off, one of them with the joker in it.

from there we get clips of Batman and his Batpod as well as a clip with the joker shooting people with a Tommy gun down the streets of Gotham at night.

It was so amazing, I'll have pics up tonight hopefully of the crowd

Raganork8

12-06-2007, 09:18 PM

some pics
25422

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25423

25424

25425

25426

25427

25428

empire21

12-06-2007, 09:35 PM

Wow. Thanks for all that, raganork! :yeah:

Raganork8

12-06-2007, 09:46 PM

Your Welcome, I wish there was someway i could project this feeling to you.

But the 6 minutes was

AMAZING.

this movie will far surpass Begins.

Mark Skywalker

12-06-2007, 10:47 PM

I just got back from the NYC showing. All I have to say is;

Freaking Badass

First off, seeing it on IMAX really was an amazing sight to behold. It starts off with this wonderful wide tracking shot over Gotham City going into a skyscraper when suddendly BOOM, the window blows out, revealing two of Mr. J's Clown goons. They slide down using (something of a grapling gun), and while doing so, we get to see how high they are (Which is real cool.). After we meet the other goons in the Bus, we get our first shot of Ledger, a Medium, tracking shot with his back to the camera and his mask dangling from his hand facing the camera. It spoke volumes. The cinematography is fantastic, helping keep the fast pace of the prologue. Fitchner is awesome in his role as the bank manager. When we get to the Jokers big reveal, any misgiven, reservation or doubt that I may once of had of Ledger as The Joker, are GONE. That brief moment completely proved that he is Prefect. (It's like he came straight off the pages of the comic books and onto the big screen .)

Afterwards, we get a brief shots of the rest of the film (of Bats, The Batmobile,The new Bat-Cycle, Gordon Smaching The bat-signal etc...). Alot of people afterwards wated to see the clip again. Sadly that was ot the case . However When I left the theater with a couple of friends of mine, we each got our very own copies of the Gotham Times. So it was all good .

This Movie is so going to surpass BEGINS . NOLAN's A DAMN GENIUS !!!!!!!!

I can't wait to see this movie on IMAX July 18

Raganork8

12-06-2007, 10:50 PM

mark where were you?

I was there...

pm me or something

Mark Skywalker

12-06-2007, 10:57 PM

mark where were you?

I was there...

pm me or something

:w00t: I was with my girlfriend (who was kind of dress up like Harley Quinn )

Raganork8

12-06-2007, 11:00 PM

omg ruby?

i was the guy with the mohawk in the front!

where were you at on the line?

Mark Skywalker

12-06-2007, 11:03 PM

omg ruby?

i was the guy with the mohawk in the front!

where were you at on the line?

That was you lol :w00t:

Close to the front

Raganork8

12-06-2007, 11:04 PM

yes, that was me!

all that time and it was you?

Gosh Darnit!

I should have said something while we were singing "Jabber Jaw"

Mark Skywalker

12-06-2007, 11:17 PM

yes, that was me!

all that time and it was you?

Gosh Darnit!

I should have said something while we were singing "Jabber Jaw"

lol that's funny :rofl:

Well maybe next time . :wink:

Kapit

12-07-2007, 12:31 AM

Mark Skywalker

12-07-2007, 12:43 AM

I thought this would be the prefect way to end this night of with a bang on my end .
http://www.dccomics.com/media/heroes_and_villains/origin_stories/batman/01.jpg
http://www.dccomics.com/media/heroes_and_villains/origin_stories/batman/02.jpg

http://www.dccomics.com/media/heroes_and_villains/origin_stories/joker/01.jpg
http://www.dccomics.com/media/heroes_and_villains/origin_stories/joker/02.jpg

Orandhite

12-07-2007, 07:11 AM

That's a point - will TDK include the Joker falling into the chemicals to get his "looovely" smile and Joker face?

borgmatrix

12-07-2007, 09:14 AM

I just got back from the NYC showing. All I have to say is;

Freaking Badass
Sounds awesome. I don't think there's an IMAX near me, unfortunately. I've been thinking this would probably surpass Begins, so its good to hear some feedback pointing in that direction from you lucky *******s.

So, Mark, you're Spiderman at TZ forums? I post over there too (DarkAngel).

Raganork8

12-07-2007, 10:57 AM

That's a point - will TDK include the Joker falling into the chemicals to get his "looovely" smile and Joker face?

No in the 6 minutes, they state he "wears make up" like "war paint" to "scare people"

Orandhite

12-07-2007, 11:29 AM

kopernikuz

12-07-2007, 11:38 AM

While I don't necessarily like the idea of dropping the chemical storyline... I guess it does kind of roll in line with Nolan's apparent desire in making these more "real-life" possible... because let's be frank... what happened to the comic book Joker would probably have killed him in "real life", lol.

Orandhite

12-07-2007, 11:40 AM

Very true! Either that, or there would have been two Paris Hiltons running around.

I agree as well, it is shame but does tie in with the feel Nolan is going for.

Raganork8

12-07-2007, 11:44 AM

That's a shame - although it has already been done.

I think I prefer the look of this Joker to the Nicholson Joker - it just seems more realistic and more psychotic (even though the Nicholson incarnation was seriously screwed up!).

also, if you think about it. Falling into a chemical can be used as an explanation for the joker's psychoticness in theory. This way we know it's deliberate. He did this to himself, he wears the make-up purposely and he's to blame.

There's no slight mention of a reason "why" (thus far) and that makes him all the more scarier.

Honestly I was scared of the Joker last night when i saw him on screen.

Orandhite

12-07-2007, 12:21 PM

That's a really good point - I hadn't thought of it like that - nice one! :thumbs-up:

Raganork8

12-07-2007, 12:36 PM

Thank you.

:)

Orandhite

12-07-2007, 12:38 PM

You are most welcome. :) I wanted to rep that idea but I need to spread the love a little bit first.

Oh, I absolutely loved your clown get-up for the screening BTW! :yes:

Raganork8

12-07-2007, 12:47 PM

Thanks to Mark Skywalker's Girlfriend I was able to do it. I used her makeup!

It was insanely fun, I never really did anything like that before, and It was fun to be around people just as excited as I was.

Plus I got a copy of the Gotham Times!

Hopefully this isn't the "last laugh" so to speak, I think we'll be seeing more from and of the Joker Via Whysoserious in the next six months.

Orandhite

12-07-2007, 12:50 PM

I hope so. This is such an anticipated movie for me now. I just can't wait! Six months? Dammit! :)

Raganork8

12-07-2007, 01:06 PM

Yeah, This has also been the best marketing I've seen in a very long time. the theater was packed and the line went from the third floor to the ground floor easily.

And this is for something that we look at online, no outside advertisement, imagine whats going to happen when the film comes out?

Six months is entirely too long.

The strange thing is that Batman appeared in the six minutes very little, This movie is kind of marketing itself just to the joker, it was almost a bit odd to see him in the trailer as well as Gordon. As one of my fellow clown friends said last night. It played like a crime film not like Batman, which I think is a good thing, they're going to be able to hit a couple audiences with the way these 6 minutes was crafted. In the six minutes I was ENGULFED in the story and just like that I was snatched back out of it. It was bitter/sweet.

There is no doubt in my mind that this film will make a HUGE impact on the film industry and shake the Comic book film industry to it's core.

Orandhite

12-07-2007, 01:22 PM

Yeah, This has also been the best marketing I've seen in a very long time.

Marketing - for sure - they have put SO much effort into this, it's like they are creating an environment, not just a movie, what with all the interaction they are getting from the audience even before we have anything about the movie!
I gotta say - reading that post gave me goose bumps. :yeah: :cheers:

I think this movie is going to be something special indeed. :cool:

Mark Skywalker

12-07-2007, 01:28 PM

He's back

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n182/camexam1/T3104H.jpg

Raganork8

12-07-2007, 01:29 PM

Yup, It's like I live in Gotham!

I feel apart of the film!

Mark Skywalker

12-07-2007, 01:29 PM

So, Mark, you're Spiderman at TZ forums? I post over there too (DarkAngel).

BINGO (The secrets out)

Kapit

12-07-2007, 02:03 PM

He's back

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n182/camexam1/T3104H.jpg

Now see, in this picture the suit looks a lot better than that publicity photo that came out last week.

Mark Skywalker

12-07-2007, 02:04 PM

High-res
http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/9139/scan0001ee0.jpg

borgmatrix

12-07-2007, 02:35 PM

Now see, in this picture the suit looks a lot better than that publicity photo that came out last week.
If he's got flexibility in the suit and can maintain good mobility, I'll probably be fine with the body. But the cowl is still an issue. The mouth opening is too small relative to the bulkiness of the rest of it. Look at that hi-res pic in Mark's post. If the cowl was flatter and tighter to his face, it might not be an issue. But look at that bulge on the left side of the pic (Batman's right) by the mouth area. What is that, an airpocket? There's this small area open for the mouth, and then a huge melon above that making up the rest of his head/face. It might be a good thing that he sticks to the shadows so much, because in daylight, he'll look like a clown.

Meanwhile, Joker is actually going to look downright scary, especially in comparison.

Kapit

12-07-2007, 02:52 PM

LMAO, airpocket.

I just watched Begins last night, and the mouth opening on that suit is small too. Could just be the way Bale's head is shaped :lol:

Orandhite

12-07-2007, 03:16 PM

The suit itself looks awesome. Can you buy them in the shops yet? :D

The cowl does look a little unusual. Although I have to point out from Kapit's post that Bale does have an unusual jawline and does have have quite large muscles at the side of his mouth. So maybe it is the shape of his head!

That said, I'm still not sure about the cowl...

RollaFett

12-07-2007, 03:46 PM

Rolla, from what I understand, the IMAX footage attached to I Am Legend is exclusive to IAL.

But, there are other parts of TDK that were filmed in IMAX, and they will be part of the movie in the summer.

Again, my understanding is that the footage on I Am Legend is exclusive to the IMAX I Am Legend

Hmmm...well, I'm not so sure I'll see IAL. Damn. I hope it's also on the dvd.

As far as the costume goes, I still can't shake the Charlie Brown image. He's so steamlined from the neck down, but that head is enormous! And the armor, well, I've said it before, and I'll say it again, he looks more like the Green Goblin from the films, or a Stormtrooper more that Batman.

Kapit

12-07-2007, 03:55 PM

Hmmm...well, I'm not so sure I'll see IAL. Damn. I hope it's also on the dvd.

From what I've read, IAL isn't as terrible as you might hope. There are a couple things that people aren't happy about, but overall it's apparently a pretty good movie. And besides, wouldn't the TDK preview be worth it?

RollaFett

12-07-2007, 03:56 PM

Yeah, you're probably right. I really have no feeling towards IAL, one way or another, but TDK should be the real selling point to a geek like me anyway.

Plus, Mrs. Rollafett and I have no plans whatsoever tonight.....nah. Not tonight, the IMAX will be a madhouse on a Friday night.

borgmatrix

12-07-2007, 04:17 PM

So maybe it is the shape of his head!
Bale's head is fine. Whoever designed the cowl is a bonehead. Or, perhaps in the employ of Darth Sidious or OsCorp, as Rolla suggests. Wayne does look like he should be battling Spider-man or the Jedi. Though if he does the latter, I'd advise borrowing a stormtrooper helmet, so that the Jedi don't die of laughter. :trooper:

I'll say this: If Batman and Joker end up duking it out mano y mano, all drama and suspense will be go out the window. There's no possible way audience members can buy into anyone being able to hurt Bats when he's dressed like that. Can you imagine putting someone in a ring against a boxer decked out in an armored suit? There'd be no point in showing up to watch it. I don't want to be shelling out money for TDK and seeing non-suspenseful fights in which the outcome is completely fixed. There should be some sense that the other guys got a chance.

I hate this costume.

Orandhite

12-07-2007, 04:22 PM

I agree with that - which is one reason why I still haven't seen Superman Returns as from what I saw, he never seems to be in trouble in the movie.

That was one thing that was weird about the end of Batman Begins with the final fight on the train. Bats is all kevlar and graphited up and Ra's is just in a suit but he still kicks some butt...

The costume looks cool and would do well when he is in the middle of a gunfight, but fisticuffs with the Joker? Agreed, he could just stand there, let the Joker get knackered from hitting him, and then just flick the Joker between the eyes!

RollaFett

12-07-2007, 04:35 PM

Yup and yup. The armored look is waayyy out of control with this costume.
And before anyone rushes to say that the armor is realistic for the character...I know that. I have no problem with him wearing armor, just try and disguise it more, PLEASE!

Kapit

12-07-2007, 04:41 PM

I'll say this: If Batman and Joker end up duking it out mano y mano, all drama and suspense will be go out the window. There's no possible way audience members can buy into anyone being able to hurt Bats when he's dressed like that.

There are holes in the armor. That's one of the great things, IMO, about the piecemeal armor: It doesn't protect everywhere. There are plenty of places there where he can be stabbed or shot at. Hell, if you look at the neck, there's a spot right in the middle, where his adam's apple should be. His arms are the most exposed, and Batman without arms just doesn't work.

I'm sure you've mentioned it before BM (:lol:) but what would you rather he be wearing?

Orandhite

12-07-2007, 04:49 PM

Jack has so ruined that abbreviation for me.

RollaFett

12-07-2007, 05:05 PM

There are holes in the armor. That's one of the great things, IMO, about the piecemeal armor: It doesn't protect everywhere. There are plenty of places there where he can be stabbed or shot at. Hell, if you look at the neck, there's a spot right in the middle, where his adam's apple should be. His arms are the most exposed, and Batman without arms just doesn't work.

I'm sure you've mentioned it before BM (:lol:) but what would you rather he be wearing?

And that's the biggest problem. It looks ridiculous because you see every single piece of armor all over the friggin' place.

Jedi Master Harrison

12-07-2007, 05:07 PM

:blink: It looks like Batman to me! Maybe I am only a geek in SW terms, but I really don't see an issues with the armour, as opposed to the armour in any other Batman films.

Orandhite

12-07-2007, 05:08 PM

Does anyone know why they chose gold for the utility belt? That was the colour of the belt from the Burton Batman movie wasn't it?

Kapit

12-07-2007, 05:09 PM

And that's the biggest problem. It looks ridiculous because you see every single piece of armor all over the friggin' place.

You think it looks worse than the bulky, thick armor of before? I'd rather have it in pieces than to look like the bulk of suits past. I agree that Batman shouldn't have super-bulky armor, but to fight crime like he does without any sort of armor is a stupid idea.

The cloth works in the comics cause it's a comic, but in reality it's just not feasible

RollaFett

12-07-2007, 05:13 PM

You think it looks worse than the bulky, thick armor of before? I'd rather have it in pieces than to look like the bulk that is has been before. I agree that Batman shouldn't have super-bulky armor, but to fight crime like he does without any sort of armor is a stupid idea.

Yes, I think it looks worse than that suit because he looks like the friggin' Green Goblin now! Have I not been clear on this?

The cloth works in the comics cause it's a comic, but in reality it's just not feasible

Ahem! I just typed not more than 30 minutes ago.

Yup and yup. The armored look is waayyy out of control with this costume.
And before anyone rushes to say that the armor is realistic for the character...I know that. I have no problem with him wearing armor, just try and disguise it more, PLEASE!

Why does this seem to be turing into the Spider-Man mask issue all over again? ;)

Kapit

12-07-2007, 05:17 PM

Why does this seem to be turing into the Spider-Man mask issue all over again? ;)

Cause I've been completely ignoring your posts up until now :lol: :cheers:

RollaFett

12-07-2007, 05:22 PM

ROTFLMAO!!!!!! nice comeback.

Kapit

12-07-2007, 05:28 PM

Haha, seriously though, I was basically skimming your posts looking for the parts where you badmouthed the suit. Any other words were ignored.

:D

RollaFett

12-07-2007, 05:39 PM

That's just wrong. Funny, but wrong.

borgmatrix

12-07-2007, 06:00 PM

:blink: It looks like Batman to me! Maybe I am only a geek in SW terms, but I really don't see an issues with the armour, as opposed to the armour in any other Batman films.
It's been a problem in all the Batman movies. But at least the suit looked good visually in the Burton movies. I can't say I'm too pleased with the look of either the Begins suit or the new one for TDK.

Does anyone know why they chose gold for the utility belt? That was the colour of the belt from the Burton Batman movie wasn't it?
Interesting that you bring that up. Not sure if you frequent the ToonZone forums, but that issue came up there as well. Here's one post from there that I enjoyed:
Yeah, SERIOUSLY. I mean, in DKR Frank Miller manufactured a "practical" (albeit purely after the fact) justification for the yellow oval around the Bat symbol on Bruce's chest, which was that it served as a target, deliberately designed to draw any gunfire Batman might take to the one area of his body that he could actually armor without impeding his movement and agility, his torso. Alright, fine. So if the logic of the yellow oval is to draw gunfire to the chest, then what's the logic of the yellow utility belt --- to draw gunfire to the GROIN??!? NOT the plan I'd go with.
So yeah. I'm not sure I like the belt color either. But its relatively minor compared to all the other problems I have with the suit.

The cloth works in the comics cause it's a comic, but in reality it's just not feasible
Are you serious? You think the Begins costume looks feasible for a fight? It wasn't even practical for Bale to stand around in. It sounded extremely uncomfortable, hot, and heachache-inducing. I'm not sure what kind of martial artist would want to wear something like this. It's impractical in real life, yet we're supposed to buy into it on film? The new one is supposed to be more comfortable, but its still a long way from what I'd like to see.

What gets me is that they took the time to show us Wayne's training, yet don't seem to understand exactly what it means. What's the purpose of dressing like its medieval times when you've got skills like Wayne's. I mean, what ninja is going to dress like that? How can you be stealthy in that thing? How can you fight effectively when you have seriously limited range of motion?

This isn't Keaton's Batman who just stood out in the open begging to be shot a couple times so he could lapse into transient unconsciousness and then get back up to finish off the baddies. Bale's Batman is in and out of the shadows. He's finishing fights before his opponents even knew he was there. He has a skill set that allows him to quickly and effectively disarm and take down opponents.

What I want is a suit that resembles the comics. Visually, it can be done. Look at the Spider-man movies. Look at Superman Returns. Look at Daredevil. From a practical standpoint, establish the use of something like a bullet-proof vest. We see shows like L&O all the time where a detective is shot, we think they're seriously hurt, and then their shirt is opened to reveal a protective vest. We didn't even know it was there until we saw it. I want something like that. Bats skills will take care of the rest. That's the entire point of having them.

Seriously, if this is what they want, why don't they just make Iron Man? That suit actually looks good and in terms of protection, and other features, does a heck of a lot more. Otherwise, let Jon Favreau make that movie. Allow Batman to be Batman. Put him in his own costume, rather than that of a Marvel character (whether it be Goblin or Iron Man), and let him do his thing.

RollaFett

12-07-2007, 06:08 PM

^Well said.
However, as I said earlier, I really don't mind armor. If they're going for realism, then fine, because it makes sense that he'd want to protect himslef, regardless of his training. But dammit, don't make it so visually obvious.

Raganork8

12-07-2007, 06:36 PM

I think there are a few things we need to take into account.

The firstis that, The suits are no longer being made in the batcave and probably have a biiger input from Fox, simply because it seems (as of now) that Batman's base of operations is in the same spot that he was introduce to the Batmobile (tumbler).

The other thing is that, at night and in low light, this suit can't be distinguished from the one in Begins. If you remember some of the older pictures of Batman (like the one of him on the police car) you can't even tell that the suit has been changed and it looks nice.

The clips from the movie I saw yesterday also (even though they weren't too forthcoming) seemed to do less damage than these very brightly taken photos.

There's a few kinks that I think will work in the film. Like Batman's cape and the big open wheel of the Batpod. As well as the very apparent "NEED" for Batman to have this Batpod.

We'll have to see how it looks on screen before we really make a judgment.

Kapit

12-07-2007, 07:06 PM

Are you serious? You think the Begins costume looks feasible for a fight?

It's like the joke Rolla's been making: Batman could just stand there and let someone punch him for a while. Then when the guy gets tired, Batman can just push em over. How is that not the coolest way to fight ever? It's from the Homer School of Fighting.

It wasn't even practical for Bale to stand around in. It sounded extremely uncomfortable, hot, and heachache-inducing. I'm not sure what kind of martial artist would want to wear something like this. It's impractical in real life, yet we're supposed to buy into it on film? The new one is supposed to be more comfortable, but its still a long way from what I'd like to see. Movies are, first and foremost, a visual medium. This stuff has to look good, no matter what. Anthony Daniels has always hated the way the Threepio suit fits, but it looks amazing, doesn't it? Most of the Batman suits look pretty damn cool, and that's what matters most. Yeah, you do what you can to make the actor comfortable, but the look is more important in the end.

What gets me is that they took the time to show us Wayne's training, yet don't seem to understand exactly what it means. What's the purpose of dressing like its medieval times when you've got skills like Wayne's. I mean, what ninja is going to dress like that? How can you be stealthy in that thing? How can you fight effectively when you have seriously limited range of motion? All I have to say to that is: Suspension of disbelief, the cornerstone of the cinema. I understand they're going for a realistic tone to these movies, but in the end, how realistic is it to have a man walk around and attempt to solve crime against larger-than-life villains. We accept the fact that the Joker is this mass-murdering psychopath who is able to create all sorts of toxins and gases in an attempt to take over Gotham, but do we question the realism of that at all?

Seriously, if this is what they want, why don't they just make Iron Man? That suit actually looks good and in terms of protection, and other features, does a heck of a lot more. Otherwise, let Jon Favreau make that movie. Allow Batman to be Batman. Put him in his own costume, rather than that of a Marvel character (whether it be Goblin or Iron Man), and let him do his thing.After reading/thinking through all of this, I have an idea on why modern Batman movies have armor:

The 60s show used the cloth outfit. How often has it been said that any of these movies are nothing like that show? Perhaps they're afraid that audiences will see the cloth suit and immediately make a connection back to that show, and thus the seriousness of the movies is shattered?

Raganork8

12-07-2007, 07:18 PM

I knew it wasn't over

anyone seen this?

www.whysoserious.com/theperfectgetaway

borgmatrix

12-07-2007, 07:20 PM

Yeah, you do what you can to make the actor comfortable, but the look is more important in the end.
And like Rolla and I (and some others) have said, it doesn't look good. The cowl looks silly. The suit doesn't look all that impressive. Other superheroes costumes in other movies look good AND resemble the comic book versions. Why is that so hard for the Batman filmmakers?

All I have to say to that is: Suspension of disbelief, the cornerstone of the cinema.
And in saying that, you're proving my point. We don't need an armored suit. We see countless action movies every year. How many of the protagonists are wearing armor? And when does the absence of said armor get any criticism, whether from viewers or critics? The Jedi aren't wearing armor. Other superheroes (including the X-men, who are battling a lot more dangerous stuff than bullets) aren't wearing armor. Nor did Steven Segal. Or Jean-Claude. Or Jet Lee. Or Bruce Lee. Or Jackie Chan. Or John Connor in the Terminator movies. Rambo doesn't wear armor. Do I need to keep going?

Why is it that for just about all other action-oriented movies, armor doesn't even come to mind. But for some damned reason, we need armor for Batman. I mean the guy is actually more skilled than most of those others I mentioned above. He's supposed to be one of the very best martial artists in the entire world. Yet he needs armor and no other action protagonist does? Please.

This realism nonsense is being taken to ridiculous proportions. Like you said, suspension of disbelief. It works for all other film series. Why the hell should Batman be different? Put him in something that looks good, and then let him do his thing. There should be countless ways to do that without whatever rubber looking material they're using.

Kapit

12-07-2007, 07:21 PM

so how longs it gonna take before someone figures out what city all of those intersections are in? :lol:

Jedi Master Harrison

12-07-2007, 07:25 PM

After reading all these posts, I have decided that I really don't care what he is wearing, I just hope the film is as good as Batman Begins! :wink:

Kapit

12-07-2007, 07:26 PM

And like Rolla and I (and some others) have said, it doesn't look good. The cowl looks silly. The suit doesn't look all that impressive. Other superheroes costumes in other movies look good AND resemble the comic book versions. Why is that so hard for the Batman filmmakers?

It's what the filmmakers believe looks good, and what they believe the majority of people think will look good. They're not gonna please everyone, as that is impossible.

This realism nonsense is being taken to ridiculous proportions. Like you said, suspension of disbelief. It works for all other film series. Why the hell should Batman be different? Put him in something that looks good, and then let him do his thing. There should be countless ways to do that without whatever rubber looking material they're using.You got me on the suspension of disbelief thing.

But Batman should be different cause these movies are good, unlike Daredevil, unlike Steven Seagal, unlike Jean-Claude, and unlike Spider-man.

EDIT: I'd also like to add that every time we have this debate, it's fun :cheers:

Morridini

12-07-2007, 07:27 PM

And now for something completely different.

Are anyone up to date with the current Batman stories?
After Infinite Crisis I haven't read much DC; only the Red Hood Part 1 and 2 (Jason Todds resurrection), which had perhaps the worst possible ending in a comic ever. And then Face the Face where Two-Face returned. But what about the rest, any of it good? Or has they followed DCs general decline?

P-Ray

12-08-2007, 12:09 AM

Morridini

12-08-2007, 07:12 AM

And that is a new one?
I haven't been able to keep in touch enough to find out that he dissapeared...again....

borgmatrix

12-08-2007, 09:32 AM

And that is a new one?
I haven't been able to keep in touch enough to find out that he dissapeared...again....
Well, Ra's died a few years ago, right? And then his daughter took over. Not Talia, but another daughter. That was one of the last storylines I read. I also caught some of Hush.

A little disappointing that they're bringing Ra's back, but expected. No one can ever die in comics. There have been rumors of Bruce being killed next year, and we all know all that would turn out. He'd return. Eventually. Just don't do it. Don't kill a character if you're going to bring him back.

One thing cool that I've heard: Terry McGinnis is now a part of official continuity. He's apparently been established on Earth-12. This must have been during Infinite Crisis, I'm guessing? I thought the multiverse idea had been abandoned during the original Crisis to simplify things, but it seems its back. But, regardless of what Earth he's on, I'm excited about the possibility of McGinnis getting his own book within the DC universe. That would be very, very sweet.

Morridini

12-08-2007, 10:12 AM

Who's Terry McGinnis? You mean the Batman Beyond dude who took over for Batty?

And yes, everything points to Bruce dying in the Final Crisis, or so I heard, but ever since Superboy punched reality I have stayed clear of DC, that was the last drop of terrible DC writing for me, however I am considering returning to DC, because I love Batty.

So, Ra's died, an dhe had a non-Talia daughter, and Bruce and Talia have a son? Or is that still out of continuty?

borgmatrix

12-08-2007, 10:38 AM

Who's Terry McGinnis? You mean the Batman Beyond dude who took over for Batty?
Yep.

And yes, everything points to Bruce dying in the Final Crisis, or so I heard, but ever since Superboy punched reality I have stayed clear of DC, that was the last drop of terrible DC writing for me, however I am considering returning to DC, because I love Batty.
Haven't been reading in a while, so I can't comment on the quality of writing. I have no issue with killing Bruce, but I'd want it to be for real and not a cheap gimmick ending with his return. If he evolves to a new state of being, a New God, or whatever, maybe even better as far as the character still being around. My excitement would be over the possibility of Grayson taking over the mantle. That, if permanent, I'd love. Of course, that'll never happen. But I wouldn't mind seeing it at some point. Dick would be a worthy Batman.

So, Ra's died, an dhe had a non-Talia daughter, and Bruce and Talia have a son? Or is that still out of continuty?
Don't know much about a child. When did that happen?

EDIT: Just checked wikipedia. It says Nyssa (the other daughter) is "apparantly" dead at the hands of Cassandra Cain. That Talia became the new Demon's Head, but I was unclear over whether she was running her father's League or Cassandra. And Bruce and Talia's son, Damien, was going to be the vessel for Ra's return, but that failed. P-Ray will probably be able to fill us in on how all that turned out in the "Return" story which I guess picks up after the "White Ghost"'s failed attempt to return through Damien.

P-Ray

12-08-2007, 10:56 AM

^ I stopped collecting the Batman titles a while ago except for picking up a couple with Batman's son.

I'm looking forward to the Return of Ra's story and I will keep you updates if you want.:wink:

Morridini

12-08-2007, 11:27 AM

The Batmans son stuff is kinda nnoying, it happened in a "what if"/out of continuty story, and just recently some writer (Morrison or something) suddenly pulled him back in.

As for Dick taking over Batman etc, I would never mind that, if things could go on like they did in Generations I would like that.

Haven't been reading in a while, so I can't comment on the quality of writing.

As for that, the overall DC quality might not have gone down, even tho Infinite Crisis was boring and anticlimatic. But it's just the whole Superboy Punching reality that really sucks so much.

Here I was reading Red Hood, anxiously waiting for them to reveal how Jason Todd un-killed himself, and then they throw this nonsense out of their asses about Superboy Prime punching reality so that some dead characters suddenly were alive again, it was just so darned stupid, silly and cheap.