MOVIES: Batman

[RollaFett]

Daredevil is also far more flexible in terms of superheroes. His suit is meant to allow him to jump around on rooftops Spider-man like, without the need of a vehicle. Batman has a car.

Batman needs the armor on his suit.

Heh, heh...I had to read this twice to make sure I wasn't seeing things. Do you even know who Batman is? Yes, he has his car, but I seem to remember seeing him swinging and jumping all over rooftops & skyscrapers, etc. And not just in the comics, but in the films as well. Nevermind the fact that he doesn't fight his opponents with the friggin' Batmobile! Honestly, I don't even know what your point is with this.



The problem with this "writing" perspective is that it can work on paper, but when you go into production and see it for yourself, Batman looks rather ridiculous with his cloth uniform. It can't work on screen without getting laughed off by the public. And while Batman is not unstoppable in his armor, he does need to have a leg up when he is the one guy against a ton of villians at times.

Like Borg said, they managed to pull it off quite well with Spidey, Supes, the X-Men, Daredevil, and the Fantastic Four, no? And correct me if I'm wrong, but despite Spidey's powers, can a bullet still kill him? That's what I thought.

[Kapit]

So, pics from the Licensing Show in New York have surfaced...

Batman was included, and it appears that his costume isn't one big shell of armor anymore, it seems to be a jumpsuit with armor pieces attached...

http://www.wizarduniverse.com/magazine/toyfare/004902727.cfm

for all the pics, including the first poster for The Incredible Hulk

[TAGLINE]

Yeah, Batman has a car. But he also has a grappler, and swings around with it like Spider-man. When he fights, Batman "jumps around" as well. There's a lot of motion to the character when in action.

He's not nearly as limber as Spider-Man. Come on, comparing Batman to Spider-Man in terms of how they move is ridiculous. Spider-Man powers are what allow him to jump around like he does. Batman is a real guy, who can't jump around that way.

And Batman doesn't jump around much in ANY movie.

With any superhero movie, there will be disbelief. Batman, no matter how realistic the approach, is no different. So putting him in a non-armored costume is hardly an issue when it comes to believability, especially given his use of darkness, martial arts, stealth, gadgets, and mind.

It does on film. As the short film and the original Batman film shows...Batman in non armored suits just doesn't work on film.

All I was pointing out is that it was more sensible in comparison. His batsuit was ridiculous.

The Batsuit in all incarnations is ridiculous...he's a friggin guy dressing up like a BAT. But he looks much more menacing with the armored suit.

This is exactly why I mentioned the costumes from Superman Returns and the Spider-man movies earlier. Bats comic book costume resembles Supermans, which didn't look ridiculous at all in SR. It can easily be done. And as I've said before, I'm not even looking for an exact replica of the comics costume. I just want to see something not unlike SR, or Spider-man, or the X-men movies, or Daredevil. A costume can easily be created that's aesthetically pleasing and allows the character to presented as in the comics. An armored costume is not a requirement.

Superman and Spider-Man work better given that they have superpowers. They don't need to be huge to pull off the look and feel of their characters. How Batman can stay in his suit inthe comics is that he is a massive body builder. He's huge. Christian Bale is not that big. The Armor makes him more menacing and imposing on his foes.

And it'll be good to see things progress and change. But the new costume doesn't show enough of a change. It still doesn't appear to fit the character.

When I hear the term "the Dark Knight"...Knight brings to mind an armored man on horseback. Granted, Batman doesn't need a horse...but the armor suits the name.

[TAGLINE]

Heh, heh...I had to read this twice to make sure I wasn't seeing things. Do you even know who Batman is? Yes, he has his car, but I seem to remember seeing him swinging and jumping all over rooftops & skyscrapers, etc. And not just in the comics, but in the films as well. Nevermind the fact that he doesn't fight his opponents with the friggin' Batmobile! Honestly, I don't even know what your point is with this.

In Batman Begins he was hardly JUMPING across rooftops. The first jump the guy makes is almost unsuccessful...and he's physically injured. The way he gets around is gliding across the city or shooting his hook upwards and pulling himself upwards.

I was more referring to how he gets around. He starts at the Batcave...not really near the city...and he uses a vehicle. Imagine is the guy decided to huff it all the way from Wayne Manor...the fight would be over by the time he got there. Daredevil, Spider-Man, Superman all have means in which to get places quicker than Batman and move easier.



Like Borg said, they managed to pull it off quite well with Spidey, Supes, the X-Men, Daredevil, and the Fantastic Four, no? And correct me if I'm wrong, but despite Spidey's powers, can a bullet still kill him? That's what I thought.

you are refering to people with abilities, and Spider-Man can dodge bullets...ever seen Batman dodge a bullet like Spidey?

[borgmatrix]

He's not nearly as limber as Spider-Man. Come on, comparing Batman to Spider-Man in terms of how they move is ridiculous. Spider-Man powers are what allow him to jump around like he does. Batman is a real guy, who can't jump around that way.
I never said he moves to the same extent as Spider-man. But he can move. Very well. Martial artists, gymanists, acrobats...they're capable of incredible movement and motion. Batman is capable of this movement, but cannot possibly pull it off in an armored suit such as the one seen in "Begins."

And Batman doesn't jump around much in ANY movie.
Because he's burdened by the armor. He has been in all the Batman movies since '89. Hence my desire to see it disappear.

The Batsuit in all incarnations is ridiculous...he's a friggin guy dressing up like a BAT. But he looks much more menacing with the armored suit.
Standing in light, such as inside the elevated train when facing Ra's, he looks like a clown. Heck, even in darkness, the cowl looked stupid. (As an aside, Keaton's costume was far better looking.) In darkness, where Batman's more in his element, a non-armored suit would have just as much effect as an armored suit, because it features the same elements, elements which create that menace: the dark colors, bat-shaped cowl, and cape. And, of course, most importantly, that which the man himself brings: aggression and channeled rage.

Superman and Spider-Man work better given that they have superpowers.
You continue to miss the point of why I mention those heroes and their costumes. Forget the powers. I'm talking about the aesthetics. You stated that the original Batman film indicated a non-armored suit doesn't work. Complete nonsense. As I've already pointed out, the "Superman Returns" costume looked fine, and it greatly resembles the style of Batman's comic book costume. Bale was in remarkable shape for "Begins", not unlike Routh for SR. He can wear a non-armored suit and would look perfectly fine.

Look at so many of the other superhero movies to see actors who were in comparable shape, or not nearly as well built as Bale in "Begins", but looked perfectly fine in their non-armored costumes. If Routh and McGuire in costume could do such great justice to the look of their comic book counterparts, there's absolutely no reason visually why the same couldn't be accomplished for Batman.

[Kapit]

a few pointless pics of Maggie and Aaron getting into and out of a cab...

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/33112

[RollaFett]

In Batman Begins he was hardly JUMPING across rooftops. The first jump the guy makes is almost unsuccessful...and he's physically injured. The way he gets around is gliding across the city or shooting his hook upwards and pulling himself upwards.

Okay, fine. Jumping wasn't exactly what he was doing, but the grappling up and down and across spaces is pretty damn close and requires great agility as well. Nevermind the gliding that you mentioned.

I was more referring to how he gets around. He starts at the Batcave...not really near the city...and he uses a vehicle. Imagine is the guy decided to huff it all the way from Wayne Manor...the fight would be over by the time he got there. Daredevil, Spider-Man, Superman all have means in which to get places quicker than Batman and move easier.

My point was that the Batmobile is merely a means to get places. Once he's where he needs to be, he gets around and fights his foes in person. And if BB showed us anything, it showed that he certainly gets around the city quite well without the Batmobile when he's gliding. And Batman is hardly the only comic book character to use a vehicle, powers or not.


you are refering to people with abilities, and Spider-Man can dodge bullets...ever seen Batman dodge a bullet like Spidey?

Not my point, but yes I have, in the comics. My point is that if Spidey were to be hit by a bullet, it wouldn't bounce off like it does with Supes. And again, not all superheroes have the agility that Spidey does and are just as much at risk of being injured by a gunshot or a blade as Batman would be without armor.


In the end, as i've stated before, I don't mind the armor, as a concept. It's obvious that Nolan is striving for great realism in the Batman universe, so an armored costume makes sense. However, I fail to see why it cannot be presented better. Someone else said it elsewhere, and I thought this too when I first saw the costume...it looks like one of those stupid specialty Batman action figures like 'Night-vision-aqua-jungletrooper-Batman'. Take a look at some of the ridiculous outfits for some of these:
http://www.legionsofgotham.org/TNBAtoys.html

[kopernikuz]

Yeah, Rolla... those outfits are pretty goofy... my faves:

Undercover Bruce Wayne
First off, Wayne could't get much more undercover than he is as Batman, lol... but I'm assuming this is for when Bruce wants to appear to not be Bruce but still be a normal guy and be inconspicuous when investigating stuff... yeah, okay... nothing conspicuous about a guy in a BRIGHT RED TRENCHCOAT.

Street Strike Batman
When Batman wants to "strike the street"... why bother wearing the traditional grey and black? Or even all black for that matter... put on the SCHOOL BUS YELLOW... and get in a scooter type vehicle that based on the colors he must've borrowed from Superman in all its red and blue glory, lol.

At least the movies haven't messed with the colors too badly, lol.

[RollaFett]

Yes, at least the colors haven't gotten out of hand. Although they came close in Batman Forever with that metallic silver/blue crap he wore at the end.

[P-Ray]

Bale on Dark Knight progress!

http://www.superherohype.com/news/topnews.php?id=5925

[P-Ray]

Spawn's in The Dark Knight!

http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=21741

[Kapit]

The actor who played Spawn in the movie was cast as a mob boss fighting over the remnants of Falcone's empire

[P-Ray]

that link only takes me to the news section... I hope Spawn isn't in it.

They pulled the article from the sites for some reason.

Anyhow...yea, Michael Jai White was cast as some type of crime boss

[Raganork8]

cool...

[Justin]

that link only takes me to the news section... I hope Spawn isn't in it.


also can i shamelessly plug my Batman fanfiction at www.Fanfiction.net (http://www.Fanfiction.net) my pen name is Covington
No.

[Raganork8]

then i won't lol

[TAGLINE]

Michael Jae White is a horrible actor...

[Justin]

Spawn is possibly the worst movie I've ever seen. Although Mortal Kombat 2 was pretty bad.

[P-Ray]

Spawn is possibly the worst movie I've ever seen.
Yes, that did suck badly!

[Tovor]

The new movies are lacking something, even despite how good Batman Begins was. They have to go back in script and style and make them more like the classic Batman. I don't know, you just can't get any better than this:

<embed src="http://www.collegehumor.com/moogaloop/moogaloop.swf?clip_id=1765962" quality="best" width="400" height="300" type="application/x-shockwave-flash"></embed>

[empire21]

Shark Repellent, huh! :lol:

God that show was horrible, yet I watched that whole clip for some reason.

[Tovor]

Nostalgia, m'boy!

[Raganork8]

I smell an oscar...

[P-Ray]

Shark Repellent, huh! :lol:

God that show was horrible, yet I watched that whole clip for some reason.
It's like a car wreck that you can't look away from!:w00t:

Many of us loved that old campy show!

For some reason, that would never fly nowadays. People now seem to hate campy. Just look at Batman & Robin!

[empire21]

I use to love that show when I was a kid, hell, I even got Adam Wests' autograph when I was a kid, but when I watch it today. :ugh:

[P-Ray]

I use to love that show when I was a kid, hell, I even got Adam Wests' autograph when I was a kid, but when I watch it today. :ugh:
Me too!

I actually got Adam West's autogragh in his book!

[RollaFett]

Gawd, that was awful.

[P-Ray]

Dark Knight teaser in 2 weeks!

http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=22025

[empire21]

YES!!! :yeah:

[P-Ray]

Eckhart mum on Two face!

http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=22024

[Morridini]

Teaser Juy 27? Hell yeah.

Nice that Eckhart won't do the silly thing that Tommy Lee did, as Tommy never really had any Dent persona left in him after acid attack.

[Virus]

Hope the teaser will give us something good (I'm sure it will though from the spy pics that we've seen).

I'm still nervous that this film will be introducing too many villians. I just want one main bad guy and I have no beef with them introducing a new one right at the end for a 3rd movie. But it seems that this third movie will have the exact same ones as the last 3rd movie (Riddler and Two-face) so thats kind of a let down.

[P-Ray]

Hope the teaser will give us something good (I'm sure it will though from the spy pics that we've seen).

I'm still nervous that this film will be introducing too many villians. I just want one main bad guy and I have no beef with them introducing a new one right at the end for a 3rd movie. But it seems that this third movie will have the exact same ones as the last 3rd movie (Riddler and Two-face) so thats kind of a let down.
Yeah, but many people complained that let's say Grievous or Dooku each respectively weren't introduced as characters in their previous movies.

I think it would be excellent if Harvey Dent was introduced in this movie and shown as a main character and then in the 3rd Batman movie, we were shown his change into Two Face. That way we would be much more attached to the character and wold be more emotional about his change

[Kapit]

Pics and videos of Ledger as Joker!

http://www.filmwad.com/-i-the-joker-i-surfaces--3339-p.html

[RollaFett]

I like the look. I like it a lot.

[Rob]

Looks sloppy to me. Kinda like it.

[Virus]

weak. I don't like the look so far but hopefully Nolan can shoot it well.

yawnnnnnnnn

[TAGLINE]

Crazy Joker...I love it.

[Raganork8]

weak. I don't like the look so far but hopefully Nolan can shoot it well.

yawnnnnnnnn


I completely agree, he looks very odd as the joker, i don't know something about it is not grabbing me.

But Nolan probably will make it work.

[borgmatrix]

I completely agree, he looks very odd as the joker, i don't know something about it is not grabbing me.
What is going to look good? Especially in unofficial pics like these? Its the final movie that counts, and Joker will look great when its all done.

Its hard for me to assess exactly what people are looking for at this stage. We've got the Joker with those elements that are essential to his look. There's not much more we can ask for. Now its just a case of letting them finish filming and putting everything together.

Despite the criticisms I've voiced of the batsuit in BB, I don't see much of anything that has me worried about this movie at all.

[Raganork8]

What is going to look good? Especially in unofficial pics like these? Its the final movie that counts, and Joker will look great when its all done.

Its hard for me to assess exactly what people are looking for at this stage. We've got the Joker with those elements that are essential to his look. There's not much more we can ask for. Now its just a case of letting them finish filming and putting everything together.

Despite the criticisms I've voiced of the batsuit in BB, I don't see much of anything that has me worried about this movie at all.


It just doesn't look good, it looks sloppy.

But i still think the movie will be good don't get me wrong, just voicing my opinion about thelook of the joker.

Now, i dont think joker should be in it in the first place but...

[Raganork8]

YouTube - Leaked Dark Knight Teaser Trailer - FINAL

Thats the teaser trailer, the quality is not amazing; but, there it is.:)

[borgmatrix]

Now, i dont think joker should be in it in the first place but...
Why is that?

[Kapit]

YouTube - Leaked Dark Knight Teaser Trailer - FINAL (http://youtube.com/watch?v=0OEtbNxAGaw)

Thats the teaser trailer, the quality is not amazing; but, there it is.:)



That looks a lot like a fake one I saw a couple months ago. Wish I could understand what was being said....

[Raganork8]

Oh, it might be fake it looked alright to me.

And, I like the Joker but it's a done thing, we've seen it before, I'd like to see something new, maybe a better Two face sotry or killer croc

[borgmatrix]

And, I like the Joker but it's a done thing, we've seen it before, I'd like to see something new, maybe a better Two face sotry or killer croc
With Joker being a "done thing", I assume you're referencing the '89 Batman. I liked that movie, and Nicholson, but I think they really wasted the potential of the character. His tampering with products scheme was lame, and the character wasn't nearly as frightening as he could have been.

I think Nolan and Goyer made a great move in not doing Joker first. Now, when the movie arrives, it'll be almost 20 years since the last time we saw the Clown Prince on the big screen. And this will be, I think, quite a different interpretation.

And we will be getting a Two-Face story down the road. So it should all work out.

[Morridini]

Unless they end up using Harvey Dent like they used Curt Conners in Spider-man...

[Raganork8]

Unless they end up using Harvey Dent like they used Curt Conners in Spider-man...


THAT'S what I'm afriad of. i'm glad everyone wants to see the Joker, but I don't know why...I don't. I love him but i don't want to see him.

[borgmatrix]

THAT'S what I'm afriad of. i'm glad everyone wants to see the Joker, but I don't know why...I don't. I love him but i don't want to see him.
When Joker's done right, he's hard to top. Obviously, if Ledger's Joker is identical to Jack's from Batman, I won't be pleased. But I'm expecting a much more intense presentation of the villain, so I'm greatly anticipating seeing Joker.

And if this were a 1 movie series, I might be bothered by the choice and prefer another villain. But its not. We got different villains in Begins. We'll have different villains in the movies after The Dark Knight. So I see no reason to be upset about Joker inclusion.

If I could choose any of Batman's enemies for the movies, I'd love to see Bane and some kind of adaptation of Knightfall. I'd also love to see Two-Face done right, which we should be seeing in the third movie. But for now, if they give us the Joker I'm expecting, I'll be thrilled.

[Virus]

With Joker being a "done thing", I assume you're referencing the '89 Batman. I liked that movie, and Nicholson, but I think they really wasted the potential of the character. His tampering with products scheme was lame, and the character wasn't nearly as frightening as he could have been.

I think Nolan and Goyer made a great move in not doing Joker first. Now, when the movie arrives, it'll be almost 20 years since the last time we saw the Clown Prince on the big screen. And this will be, I think, quite a different interpretation.

And we will be getting a Two-Face story down the road. So it should all work out.

Jack Nicholson was perfect as the Joker. He took the character to a new level and his amazing acting showed throughout the film. Personally, I'd like to see a new Batman film that focused on the full story of 2-face since I thought he was barely touched in the movie in 1995 by Tommy Lee Jones.

[P-Ray]

Jack Nicholson was perfect as the Joker. He took the character to a new level and his amazing acting showed throughout the film. Personally, I'd like to see a new Batman film that focused on the full story of 2-face since I thought he was barely touched in the movie in 1995 by Tommy Lee Jones.
Sounds like we'll see Two face soon enough!

I'm curious for Nolan's version of Joker though!:wink:

[P-Ray]

Teaser description!

http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=22417

[Raganork8]

Interesting.

[Kapit]

guess that one you posted was a fake, Rag. Wasn't a terrible trailer, though

and that description sounds pretty damn sweet

[borgmatrix]

Jack Nicholson was perfect as the Joker. He took the character to a new level and his amazing acting showed throughout the film.
:D Nicholson's a great actor, and he did well in Batman, but his Joker most definitely did not take the character to a new level. Not even close. And if there's ever been a perfect Joker, more Batman fans would look to the BTAS Hamill-voiced Joker than Nicholson's.

With Batman, my issue isn't with Nicholson, but with the writers. Far more could have been done with the Joker than what we got. I liked it. I'm not saying it was a bad presentation or portrayal. But I would have liked to have seen more edge, something more twisted, and certainly a plot more worthy of, arguably, Batman's greatest opposition.

Like I said before, I expect the Nolan/Ledger Joker to be a better realization of Joker at his most frightening.

[Raganork8]

guess that one you posted was a fake, Rag. Wasn't a terrible trailer, though

and that description sounds pretty damn sweet
yeah...

[RollaFett]

Jack Nicholson was perfect as the Joker. He took the character to a new level and his amazing acting showed throughout the film.

"New level"? "Amazing acting"? Hey, I like Nicholson as much as the next guy, but what "new level" did he bring the character to? Better than Caesar Romero? That shouldn't have been too difficult.
And as far "amazing acting" goes, well, Jack was being Jack. He's good at playing crazy madmen, and he did a fine job with that type of role again.
In the end, I chalk it up to a very obvious casting choice that worked as well as everyone expected.
I'm much more interested to see how Ledger handles the role, becasue that was not an obvious nor popular choice.

[Raganork8]

I heard heath was picked to bring an homosexual aspect to it. Because in the Dark Knight Series Joker actually has a huge crush on Batman and Heath's role in Brokeback will subconciously bring that to viewers minds. anyone thing that's <part> of the reason too...?

[RollaFett]

I don't buy that for a second. Where'd you hear that anyway?

Sure, Heath was great in Brokeback, but I highly doubt he was cast to give the Joker a homosexual undercurrent. Besides, I'm sure Ledger himself wouldn't want to suddenly be typecast for homosexual characters.
Cue Sienfeld: "Not that there's anything wrong with that." :wink:

[Kapit]

whenever he was asked about the kissing btwn himself and Gyllenhall, Heath would always clam up and be vague, like he didn't wanna talk about it

I doubt he'd want to bring a homosexual aspect to the Joker

[Justin]

I heard heath was picked to bring an homosexual aspect to it. Because in the Dark Knight Series Joker actually has a huge crush on Batman and Heath's role in Brokeback will subconciously bring that to viewers minds. anyone thing that's
of the reason too...?</P>"A huge crushon Batman"? You must have read a different version of Dark Knight Returns than I did.

[Morridini]

Indeed, when exactly was this supposed to have happened?

[Kapit]

The Dark Knight series by Frank Miller takes place way in the future, when Batman is an old man who hasn't fought for a long time, then decides that it's time to return...

Now, I don't read a lot of comics, but The Dark Knight Returns and The Dark Knight Strikes Again are two of my favorite books, after The Watchmen and V for Vendetta

[Morridini]

Yes we know that, but when in the story did that happen? When did they ever imply that the Joker had a crush on Batty?

[Kapit]

Yes we know that, but when in the story did that happen? When did they ever imply that the Joker had a crush on Batty?


I sat here and thought about it....and yeah, I guess I could MAYBE see where the homosexual angle is coming from because Joker in the Dark Knight isn't the same Joker as all the previous books...he's someone Bruce knew long ago

[Morridini]

Well I wan't to check it myself. I have both Dark Knights TPBs within 10 feet of me, so I can easily check and verify what raganork8 said. Until someone can say where it was implied, I refuse to believe it.

[Virus]

teaser trailer was available on youtube earlier today but its gone now. If you didnt see it, you ain't missing much. It looks (errr sounds) horrible

[P-Ray]

http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=22827

[empire21]

Hmmm, I wonder what we're going to see :scratchchin:

[Kapit]

honestly Emp, you're not gonna see a lot, but you'll be hearing many interesting things. Just pay attention and tell everyone around you to shut up because the lines are quiet and fast....

[Raganork8]

I could be wrong about it being the Dark Knight Series I'll have to do a little research about the series; but, I'm positive that it was in something. It could have been implied...sorry about the premature post, I got a lot of crap going on on this end.

[kopernikuz]

Frank Miller implies a homoerotic significance to the Joker's obsession with Batman... but most consider TDKR as non-canonical anyway. Mostly this implication is just in terms of endearment he uses "Darling" "My sweet" when referring to Batman... but this could also be read as the Joker's feeling that the two are sort of these cosmic soul-mates locked in battle... not lovers... but who knows. Grant Morrison has also written the Joker with homosexual overtones... in fact in Arkham Asylum, he'd intended McKean to illustrate the Joker with a Madonna cone-shaped brasierre on, lol. If nothing... he's just flamboyant... which people sometimes just associate with being gay, but doesn't make it so.

[RollaFett]

Yeah, now that I think of it, I do recall the "My sweet" and "Darling" references in TDKR, but I didn't get homosexual out of it. Who knows, maybe Frank Miller was going for that, but also as already said, that's not exactly a canonical reference anyway.

[kopernikuz]

I think he grabs Batman's butt in Arkham Asylum too... Grant Morrison, like I said.

[empire21]

New Dark Knight pic!

http://www.superherohype.com/news/topnews.php?id=6082

And teaser trailer, just click that distorted little box towards the end of the page.

http://www.whysoserious.com/

[Morridini]

Nice, can't wait for the movie.

[borgmatrix]

And teaser trailer, just click that distorted little box towards the end of the page.
Nice. I liked the dialogue selection. Do you know if the trailers already in theaters and which movies it is (or will be) attached to?

[Morridini]

Attached to The Simpsons.

[Justin]

New Dark Knight pic!

http://www.superherohype.com/news/topnews.php?id=6082

And teaser trailer, just click that distorted little box towards the end of the page.

http://www.whysoserious.com/
It would have been nice if there was just a little bit more to it than the logo and a voice over.

[RollaFett]

Yeah, but with damn near a year to go, I'm not totally surprised at that.

[borgmatrix]

It would have been nice if there was just a little bit more to it than the logo and a voice over.
I like the teaser a lot. By not showing any footage from the movie, and featuring little color and light until the end, all our focus is placed on the dialogue, which was well chosen. Less is more sometimes, and I loved it.

I'm almost not looking forward to the later trailers, because there seems to be a trend toward showing too much. They give too much away, and often when the actual scenes arrive in the films, I experience less impact than when I saw them in the trailers.

This, for me, was the perfect tease. I want some substance, and I got that with the dialogue. I liked the atmosphere created, and the mystique remains.

Solid work.

[P-Ray]

I like the teaser a lot. By not showing any footage from the movie, and featuring little color and light until the end, all our focus is placed on the dialogue, which was well chosen. Less is more sometimes, and I loved it.

I'm almost not looking forward to the later trailers, because there seems to be a trend toward showing too much. They give too much away, and often when the actual scenes arrive in the films, I experience less impact than when I saw them in the trailers.

This, for me, was the perfect tease. I want some substance, and I got that with the dialogue. I liked the atmosphere created, and the mystique remains.

Solid work.
Is the teaser online yet?

[empire21]

Is the teaser online yet?

Sure is, here's the link!

And teaser trailer!

http://www.whysoserious.com/

[Rob]

Weak teaser. They should have showed some action.

[TAGLINE]

Weak teaser. They should have showed some action.

There is a reason it is called a teaser.

[P-Ray]

Sure is, here's the link!
Thanx Dude!

I couldn't get that to work before for some reason!

[Morridini]

Click the small blinking square next to the text "Nobody leaves empty handed!"

[P-Ray]

Click the small blinking square next to the text "Nobody leaves empty handed!"
I actually got to see it this time!

It definitely teased me:wink::)

[RollaFett]

Y'know, I don't mind the lack of footage one bit. In fact, I preferred it. That was a true teaser trailer if I ever saw one, and quite refreshing.
I sure as hell saw waaayyyy too much footage for Spider-Man 3 before I ever saw the film, so I like this route.

[borgmatrix]

Y'know, I don't mind the lack of footage one bit. In fact, I preferred it. That was a true teaser trailer if I ever saw one, and quite refreshing.
I sure as hell saw waaayyyy too much footage for Spider-Man 3 before I ever saw the film, so I like this route.
Exactly how I feel. The S3 trailer was pretty much the whole movie. And like I said above, I'm afraid the subsequent DK trailers will show too much. I might err on the side of caution and attempt to avoid them.

[RollaFett]

Well, I probably won't avoid them, but I very well may just watch them once. Hopefully, I can be so strong.

[Tovor]

Well, I probably won't avoid them, but I very well may just watch them once. Hopefully, I can be so strong.
He types that as he pours himself another drink, and complains to me on AIM about gaining weight from eating too much. :lol:

[RollaFett]

Uncool. So close to negative rep points.

[empire21]

^ Do it. Giving Tov neg rep is oddly satisfying.

I'm afraid the subsequent DK trailers will show too much. I might err on the side of caution and attempt to avoid them.

I'd like to avoid all DK trailers myself for the same reasons but I know that I'm way too weak to resist.

[Tovor]

:lol:

[Justin]

The pictures from Comic-Con on that site are pretty cool. I wonder if the marketing people were there putting the make-up on the attendees or if they showed up like that on their own?

[Rob]

Goodies...

And more that were too big to attach:

http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/3193/batmannewsuithp2.jpg

http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/3706/batpodoe5.jpg

http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/9966/gcpdzi4.jpg

http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/5971/gcpd2sg5.jpg

[Mark Skywalker]

so What did you guys think of the teaser Trailer ?

YouTube - The official Dark Knight Teaser Trailer

[Morridini]

Well I think most of us said what we thought of it in the last few pages of this thread. And if I remember correctly most people liked it.

[James T. Skywalker]

Love the teaser.

Has anyone seen what happened to the site it originally was posted at? They really are having fun with this viral marketing campaign.

~JTS

[RollaFett]

LOL! That is pretty funny.

www.whysoserious.com (http://www.whysoserious.com)

[P-Ray]

Michael Caine on Dark Knight!

http://www.superherohype.com/news/topnews.php?id=6130

[Raganork8]

Some interesting news. A friend of mine has been working on the Set of The Dark Knight and Swore himself to secrecey. But this morning he seemingly couldn't do it anymore.


I'm not saying to take this for fact; but, there's probably a grain of truth in this somewhere...

He claims the last line from Heath Ledger is "I Always Get the last laugh" and then there's a some sort of action that causes a large commotion and hysterics.


I think, if any of this is true, that this will be the scene wher Harvey is wounded in the coutroom and subsequently loses half of his face. We know Harvey is in the movie but do we think Two Face will be in it?

[Kapit]

Eckhart said in an interview that Two-Face would be in it, but I hope that he doesn't show up until the end, so it doesn't turn into another villain tag-team

[Morridini]

Hmm, I wonder if we are starting to get to the part where spoilers start flying wildly about and I should stop reading this thread. Really don't want to spoil it too much.

[P-Ray]

Hmm, I wonder if we are starting to get to the part where spoilers start flying wildly about and I should stop reading this thread. Really don't want to spoil it too much.
Yeah, but alot of this stuff is just rumor now!

[empire21]

When the spoilers start I guess we'll all have to start typing with white fonts. :P

[Morridini]

Yeah, but alot of this stuff is just rumor now!

Yes at the moment they are just rumors but who knows when all of a sudden spoilers will fly.

When the spoilers start I guess we'll all have to start typing with white fonts. :P

That would be preferable, but it will eventualy be neglected.

[empire21]

That would be preferable, but it will eventualy be neglected.

I just found an add-on for vBulletin for hiding spoilers, I'm going to email it to T-Bone. :)

EDIT: Here it is.

Type your post and add big bad spoiler here with a /spoiler tag at the end inside []

It will look like this. Highlight to read.

[spoiler]big bad spoiler here

[Raganork8]

Thanks.

[Morridini]

Holy ****, talk about intimidating Spoiler tags....


Anyway, would anyone else be interested in seeing Selina Kyle introduced in any of the movies instead of this Rachel bimbo? Has Nolan ever talked about her?

EDIT: They censor the word **** now? What about everytime someone misspell Sith?

[P-Ray]

Anyway, would anyone else be interested in seeing Selina Kyle introduced in any of the movies instead of this Rachel bimbo? Has Nolan ever talked about her?

I would!

It's my guess that The Joker will kill Rachel Dawes in the next movie to finish the character since she is not in regular continuity.

[Raganork8]

I would love to see Selena but I don't know, It feels almost too late to put her in, plus they don't work out in the end so it would need to be some kind of attatchment that I don't know could occur if Rachel doesnt' die within 2 minutes of the next Film.

However seeing her would be very fun...Catwoman would be an interesting thing to seem them reintroduce into this newer, realer Batman.


hahaha Realer...

[Morridini]

Speaking of which, how did the relationship between Selina and Batty evolve after the events of Hush? Did her memory get deleted at a time to protect his secret identity?

[Justin]

I would love to see Selena but I don't know, It feels almost too late to put her in, plus they don't work out in the end so it would need to be some kind of attatchment that I don't know could occur if Rachel doesnt' die within 2 minutes of the next Film.

However seeing her would be very fun...Catwoman would be an interesting thing to seem them reintroduce into this newer, realer Batman.


hahaha Realer...
Too late?? Why?

[borgmatrix]

Speaking of which, how did the relationship between Selina and Batty evolve after the events of Hush? Did her memory get deleted at a time to protect his secret identity?
I'm guessing she no longer remembers that, since according to wikipedia, she underwent a "mindwipe" by Zatanna. It didn't spell out what she remembers and what she doesn't, but I'd image she no longer knows Bruce is Bats, since I can't think of any other reason for the writers to mindwipe her.

[Morridini]

God I hate all the deleting of memory.
Would think Zatana would have stopped doing it after what happened in Identity Crisis.

[Raganork8]

assuming we're doing three movies I think Selena might be too late to bring in...but that's just for me

[borgmatrix]

God I hate all the deleting of memory.
Would think Zatana would have stopped doing it after what happened in Identity Crisis.
Apparantly, she had the permission of 5 Justice League members when she mindwiped Selina. I haven't been reading, so I have no idea when that occurred relative to IC. At wikipedia, there was reference to her mindwiping Batman as well, which I hadn't known about either.

[Morridini]

Mindwiping Batty happened in Identity Crisis, which is what I thought would make her never do it again. Because Batty found out!!! I might have some scans available, will see....

EDIT: ops, wrong story-arc. I meant "Crisis of Conscience"
EDIT2: ok, now I found out how it worked, in "Crisis of Conscience" Batty confronted the mindwipe with the JLA, while in "Identity Crisis" the wiping actually occurred.

Ok got some scans for those who wanna see some of these events (some things might not make sense because I have only taken selected scans that show the Batty things), also it might be better to save files so you can zoom further in if the text is too small:
The actual mind-wipe being revealed to the readers and Flash:
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p57/Morridini/Untitled-Scanned-17.jpg
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p57/Morridini/Untitled-Scanned-18.jpg
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p57/Morridini/Untitled-Scanned-19.jpg
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p57/Morridini/Untitled-Scanned-20.jpg
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p57/Morridini/Untitled-Scanned-21-22.jpg

Batman's suspicion and hints that he will find out:
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p57/Morridini/Untitled-Scanned-25.jpg
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p57/Morridini/IC07-page21.jpg
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p57/Morridini/IC07-page22.jpg
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p57/Morridini/IC07-page25.jpg
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p57/Morridini/IC07-page26.jpg

Confrontation with the Justice League:
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p57/Morridini/Untitled-Scanned-16.jpg
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p57/Morridini/Untitled-Scanned-172.jpg
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p57/Morridini/Untitled-Scanned-182.jpg
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p57/Morridini/Untitled-Scanned-192.jpg
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p57/Morridini/Untitled-Scanned-202.jpg

And the reason why I didn't think Zattana would mindwipe Selina:
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p57/Morridini/Untitled-Scanned-10.jpg

[borgmatrix]

And the reason why I didn't think Zattana would mindwipe Selina:
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p57/Morridini/Untitled-Scanned-10.jpg
I didn't look at the other scans yet, but is it possible the mindwipe of Selina was before the mindwipe on Bats?

[Morridini]

Identity Crisis - 2004
Hush - 2005

[P-Ray]

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/33653

Some scene descriptions from a surprise panel!

Sounds awesome!

[P-Ray]

^Another link from Wizard World!
http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=36249

[empire21]

Awesome indeed! :w00t:

[Raganork8]

I rarely say this about a movie that hasn't come out or hasn't shown me anything concrete in video...

But I'm willing to bank that this will be the greatest Superhero movie to date.

I don't know, I'm sensing the Joker and Two Face rocking my world.

[P-Ray]

I rarely say this about a movie that hasn't come out or hasn't shown me anything concrete in video...

But I'm willing to bank that this will be the greatest Superhero movie to date.

I don't know, I'm sensing the Joker and Two Face rocking my world.
Well, I'm sure if it's anything like Begins, we are in for a big treat.

Batman Begins is one of my favorite all time movies:wink:

[empire21]

But I'm willing to bank that this will be the greatest Superhero movie to date.

I'll agree with that, everything we've seen or heard so far has been great.

Can't flippin' wait!

[P-Ray]

I'll agree with that, everything we've seen or heard so far has been great.

Can't flippin' wait!
Me either!:happydance:

[RollaFett]

Oh boy, I agree. This is sounding pretty damned good.

[Morridini]

To read or not to read spoilers.
That is the question.

[RollaFett]

Yeah. There comes a time, with all the flicks I'm anxious to see where I have to avoid threads entirely.

[James T. Skywalker]

More WizardWorld Chicago coverage:

http://movies.ign.com/articles/812/812404p1.html

~JTS

[James T. Skywalker]

Identity Crisis - 2004
Hush - 2005

Dude, the original Hush story was in 2003 (Jeph Loeb and Jim Lee).

Identity Crisis is where we first learn that the Justice League was erasing the memories of villains who learned information about them; Crisis of Conscience revealed that Catwoman's mind had been altered at some point by Zatanna, or at least Bruce was suspicious of that, since Selena had briefly been a part of the Secret Society of Super Villains. Zatanna confirmed this fact to Selena in the Catwoman series shortly before Infinite Crisis.

~JTS

[Morridini]

Hmm, I thought Hush was newer. Ah well.

[James T. Skywalker]

Hmm, I thought Hush was newer. Ah well.

Hush Returns, which was in Batman: Gotham Knights and written by A.J. Lieberman, was pretty recent; that storyline took place in 2005.

~JTS

[Morridini]

Hmm, well I am always a bit behind on DC reading so I read Hush and Hush Returns all in one. Probably there I mixed up.

[Tovor]

Wow...I saw watched (the 2nd half of) Batman Begins again, and I'll say it again, even though the first Superman is at the top of my list, that BB is probably my favorite superhero movie of all. I'm eager for the sequel, but there are 3 co-stars/characters who I am hoping for, seriously hoping for, not to be changed, replaced, or left out in the next movie:
Morgan Freeman (especially),
Gary Oldman (especially x2),
Micheal Cain.

[empire21]

^ They're definitely all in it. :)

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0468569/

[P-Ray]

Wow...I saw watched (the 2nd half of) Batman Begins again, and I'll say it again, even though the first Superman is at the top of my list, that BB is probably my favorite superhero movie of all. I'm eager for the sequel, but there are 3 co-stars/characters who I am hoping for, seriously hoping for, not to be changed, replaced, or left out in the next movie:
Morgan Freeman (especially),
Gary Oldman (especially x2),
Micheal Cain.
It is my favorite as well! Besides Indiana Jones, I that's my most anticipated movie for next summer:wink:

[Tovor]

^ They're definitely all in it. :)

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0468569/
Excellent. Thanks for the confirm. :ok:

[Tovor]

It is my favorite as well! Besides Indiana Jones, I that's my most anticipated movie for next summer:wink:
I would say so, too. :yes:

[borgmatrix]

Wow...I saw watched (the 2nd half of) Batman Begins again, and I'll say it again, even though the first Superman is at the top of my list, that BB is probably my favorite superhero movie of all.
I've seen Begins several times, and my appreciation for it hasn't diminished at all. It's not perfect, but any problems are minor. It's excellent. I have it at the very top of the my list of favorite superhero movies, with probably Superman Returns just behind it.

I'm eager for the sequel, but there are 3 co-stars/characters who I am hoping for, seriously hoping for, not to be changed, replaced, or left out in the next movie:
Morgan Freeman (especially),
Gary Oldman (especially x2),
Micheal Cain.
Oldman has quickly leapt up within my favorite actors. He's so good, and seems to just disappear into whatever role he plays. I rarely see "Oldman" when watching him, but rather whatever character he's playing.

But moreso than him or Bale or any of the others, I'm eagerly anticipating Ledger's performance as Joker. I have a feeling he's going to do something really special with the part. Can't wait to see it.

[empire21]

Bunch of new Dark Knight pics!

http://www.darkhorizons.com/news07/070816l.php

[Morridini]

Hmm, the whole "permanent grin" thing doesn't look so overdone now after all. Was kinda afraid it would hurt the movie as it isn't anything like that in the comics.

Oh btw, WB are hunting down sites that host those pictures so don't post any directly on this forum.

[empire21]

I've already saved them all, so if they get removed i'll email them to anyone who wants to see them. :wink:

[Virus]

I'm still not digging the Joker. I'll have to wait to see him in action

[Raganork8]

I can understand why you say that Virus, but I'm already sold on him soley by the sheer...abscence of Ledger in the news or anywhere else. They must be saving him for something because he's gonna blow us away.

I like the way he looks he's more grounded, he looks insane like a person who did this to himself.

This is going to be good i can't wait.

[RollaFett]

I'm not crazy about the appearance of the Joker, but I'll definately wait to see the flick before I rip it. That said, I really hope that the green hair shows up at some point.
Also, Batman's new costume still isn't jiving with me too well either. Still has that heavy armr look to it that I don't like.
All of that said, I still cannot friggin' wait to see this!

[kopernikuz]

His hair appears to be tinged green in these, just not day-glo... particularly in the one where he's kicking Bats.

[RollaFett]

Yeah, you're right. It seems very, very light to me, though. I'm not saying I need the day-glo look, but just a little more.

[Raganork8]

one could even argue that his hair is more yellow than green

[kopernikuz]

Well, it looks to me to be blond with green in it and then got wet... don't ask me how I know what that actually looks like, but I do, lol.

[RollaFett]

Y'know, that actually sounds pretty accurate.

[Justin]

The Joker's hair isn't "day-glo" green, it's dark green.

[kopernikuz]

Depends on the incarnation, but must you nit-pick, lol? "Dayglo" was simply used as a contrast to the very little green seen in the pics... not to suggest it actually be day-glo, just that it didn't seem very green at all... :rolleyes:

[Kapit]

If you look at this picture, you can see that his hair is pretty green....

[Justin]

Depends on the incarnation, but must you nit-pick, lol? "Dayglo" was simply used as a contrast to the very little green seen in the pics... not to suggest it actually be day-glo, just that it didn't seem very green at all... :rolleyes:
Sorry for sounding nit-picky, but day-glo is actually a yellow color. The Joker's hair was never that color.

[kopernikuz]

Actually, Day-glo is not a color itself... it is the trade name of flourescent even neon shades of certain colors, commonly used for even greater effect under blacklight. Day-glo can be yellow, green, blue, pink, or many others. Check it out:

http://www.dayglo.com/ :)

[RollaFett]

Oh, for chrissakes! Enough of the friggin' dayglo!

[kopernikuz]

If the Joker had made it into Schumacher's Batman... I guarantee it'd have been day-glo, lol

Just messin, Rolla... you couldn't see that?

[RollaFett]

^ yup.
Hell, Nicholson's hair was close to that as well.

And with that, can we close the book on day glo? Pretty please?

[DblDwn]

I remember one DAY, when I was a kid, I was watching GLOW.

Anyone remember that $hit?

Gorgeous
Ladies
Of
Wrestling

Those broads were anything but gorgeous.

[RollaFett]

:rofl:

I do remember that! ugh.

[Raganork8]

More WizardWorld Chicago coverage:

http://movies.ign.com/articles/812/812404p1.html

~JTS


Borgmatrix
This is why I think your comment in the Superman Thread might be wrong.

[borgmatrix]

Borgmatrix
This is why I think your comment in the Superman Thread might be wrong.
Ok, but it looks like we're just talking about the timetable changing. What Goyer initially envisioned happening in 3, now actually appearing in 2. But the overall arc featuring Joker and Dent is still happening over movies 2 and 3.

[Raganork8]

oh i agree i was really just stating that Harvey Being Scared would happen in 2

I also don't think they'll tie Joker over, he' s a one shot kinda guy, much like my fan fiction i think Harvey will be the villian in 3 and if there is a 4 E. Nigma

[kopernikuz]

It seems likely that the scene described in the article occurs at the end of the film... it'd be a nice teaser for the next one, just like the "Joker" card Gordon presents Bats at the end of Begins.

[Raganork8]

It could be; but, it would be interesting to see Harvey actaully elected after the "accident" and then turning on Gotham; it's more dramatic and more tragic.

[borgmatrix]

It could be; but, it would be interesting to see Harvey actaully elected after the "accident" and then turning on Gotham; it's more dramatic and more tragic.
:confused: You want to see him scarred, continue serving as DA, and then go bad?

[Morridini]

Imo, they should do as Long Halloween did.

He gets elected early on, the trio Batman, Gordon and Dent is at work (Batman hunts down and stops the bad guys, Gordon arrests, and Dent convicts). Near the end there is a big trial, possibly for the Joker. Scarring happens, later at the hospital he suddenly disappears after killing (or at least wounding) his doctor. Cliffhanger.


Btw has this been posted here before?
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/showbiz/2007/08/30/vo.il.batman.explosion.cnn
http://www.myfoxchicago.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail;jsessionid=1ABBE1664C12578EBB6FC68CD5A90C76 ?contentId=4207595&version=14&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1&sflg=1

[P-Ray]

Imo, they should do as Long Halloween did.

He gets elected early on, the trio Batman, Gordon and Dent is at work (Batman hunts down and stops the bad guys, Gordon arrests, and Dent convicts). Near the end there is a big trial, possibly for the Joker. Scarring happens, later at the hospital he suddenly disappears after killing (or at least wounding) his doctor. Cliffhanger.


Btw has this been posted here before?
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/showbiz/2007/08/30/vo.il.batman.explosion.cnn
http://www.myfoxchicago.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail;jsessionid=1ABBE1664C12578EBB6FC68CD5A90C76 ?contentId=4207595&version=14&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1&sflg=1
That's the best way to do it, IMO as well!

[Raganork8]

Yers, realistically, having a mental breakdown takes some time, while he's convicting a really dangerous criminal he has the end of his breakdown and goes bad.

That then lets the criminal loose AND has Harvey as a villian at the same time.

Just what I would like to see, i know it's noty going to happen like that, so...

Don't hate me :(

[Talcy]

Imo, they should do as Long Halloween did.

He gets elected early on, the trio Batman, Gordon and Dent is at work (Batman hunts down and stops the bad guys, Gordon arrests, and Dent convicts). Near the end there is a big trial, possibly for the Joker. Scarring happens, later at the hospital he suddenly disappears after killing (or at least wounding) his doctor. Cliffhanger.

Yep, sounds good. The Long Halloween is my fave BatBook. But, since Nolan's doing this, I'd take those events and shuffle them around in time.

Perhaps the film starts with the "Dent! I thought you were dead!" line?

[Raganork8]

I don't know, if that's even Harvey's M.O.

Sounds like something Joker would do.

Remember we'll dealing with realer characters, Whatever Harvey does he'll probably have a reason for doing it.

I think he's going to resent Batman at the end of this film, or at least that's how I would like it.

senseless killing of a Doctor doesn't seem like something he would go for.
I think the end of he movie will be nothing we've heard of already, probably very positive.

Joker is <killed> put away and Gotham is starting to come along as a city; but, we as the audience know that Harvey is out there and that a third movie is in order.


IMO

[Morridini]

It wouldn't be senseless killing.

He would go unconscious after scarring, when he wakes up there is a Doctor standing over with a scalpel/knife, he doesn't know wtf's going on (after all now he is groggy from being sedated, plus he has a whole new personality in his head), he feels like he has been cornered, lashes out at the Doctor and runs off. That's at least how I thought things went like off-panel in Long Halloween.

[Raganork8]

It wouldn't be senseless killing.

He would go unconscious after scarring, when he wakes up there is a Doctor standing over with a scalpel/knife, he doesn't know wtf's going on (after all now he is groggy from being sedated, plus he has a whole new personality in his head), he feels like he has been cornered, lashes out at the Doctor and runs off. That's at least how I thought things went like off-panel in Long Halloween.


That makes sense; but, if Harvey was being worked on he'd be sedated and unable to fight back and least of all kill someone.

And the "Two-Face" personality isn't very new, it was always there, he was just able to shut it out. I still think Harvey should have time to ruminate about what has happened and figure out why he hates Batman so much...he shouldn't just become a criminal for no reason.

Let's remember he's the D.A. his fall has to be one of the worst we've ever seen, again, he's not the Joker, his evilness, IMO, must have meaning and a sad turn.

So I think Harvey Dent will be a villian yes; but, not as soon as the end of The Dark Knight.

[borgmatrix]

And the "Two-Face" personality isn't very new, it was always there, he was just able to shut it out. I still think Harvey should have time to ruminate about what has happened and figure out why he hates Batman so much...he shouldn't just become a criminal for no reason.
It wouldn't be for no reason. It'd be because that second personality (Big Bad Harv, as it was called in BTAS) has come to the surface and the only mechanism he can see/identify to sort out which personality dominates is through the coin.

So I don't think having time to ruminate is really an issue. Dent, after the scarring, would now have two dominant personalities fighting for prominence, and the flip of his coin is the only outlet for deciding which side "wins".

[Mark Skywalker]

Sept 5 was a very special day for all Bat-fans .

http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/WF/batman/btas/media/introcredits/btas/33.jpg
Happy 15th Anniversary, "Batman: The Animated Series"
by James Harvey

Fifteen years ago today, millions of children watched Batman go up against a devious terrorist named Red Claw and tangle with Catwoman. This has been a show that countless people were looking forward to. A new Batman cartoon. And one that looked pretty amazing. At least based on the commercials and the odd article that popped up in magazines here and there. Plus . . . the name. Batman: The Animated Series. What is it about that name that seems so . . . iconic? So definitive? I think that alone made the attraction to the series even stronger. And, like I said, millions of children, and adults, were sitting down to watch this show. It was Saturday morning, and I wasn’t watching.

In fact, I missed the Saturday premiere, “The Cat & The Claw, Part One,” and the special Sunday-premiered episode “On Leather Wings,” too. It wasn’t until Monday, September 7th, 1992, when “Heart of Ice” played. And I barely caught it, too. I can remember leaping over furniture as the time ticked down to the 4pm start time. But I managed to set up the VCR and flip it to Fox just in time and . . . wow. I was hooked. No one could move me. As “Heart of Ice” unfolded, I couldn’t be budged from the spot at all. And that was the beginning of a love affair that has lasted the better part of fifteen years.

Sure, other cartoons have come and gone, but Batman: The Animated Series has reigned supreme. X-Men: The Animated Series? Fun, but doesn’t have that rewatchability factor. Spider-Man: The Animated Series? Not bad, but the holes become very apparent very quickly. But Batman: The Animated Series . . . this show was different. I always returned to this show. I knew something was coming from this show . . . that even when the series initially ended after 85 episodes, that this would not be the end. And, thankfully, I was correct. 24 more episodes came down the hatch when the show moved over to Kids’WB!, and, from there, things . . . changed.

But, I’m getting ahead of myself. I’ll get to all of that shortly. I just want to say a few words on Batman: The Animated Series itself, a series that had such a big impact on my life. It inspired my writing, my art, my taste in music and appreciation of movies. All of that I got from Batman: The Animated Series. The simple, yet complex, designs of each character. The dialogue that never spoke down to the viewer. The amazing score, a score that I would love to own some day. And the cinematic direction of each episode, each episode itself having a film noir serial feel. I could go one and one about this series, but many have before me, and better, I might add. I don’t claim to be the most skilled writer ever, but this series is one that will remain.

I can remember watching an episode as it premiered, usually at 4pm on Fox, and then watching it later that night, taped on my VCR. I can remember going through so many tapes. I never really taped shows before Batman: The Animated Series, and this was pretty much my crash-course. I had to learn about different tape speed and quality, trying to decide whether to sacrifice the space on a tape or the quality of the image. But this show started it all for me. Next thing I knew, I was reading the comics, the toys, and finding anything I could related to the show. But, of course, with time that sort of withered. I stopped buying toys, but stuck with the comics and the odd book (mostly depending on the art and story), but my interest in Batman: The Animated Series didn’t end there.

In fact, it’s basically the whole reason for this site. True, this site did start as a Superman: The Animated Series message board, but that was only because . . . well, at the time, there were a couple great Batman: The Animated Series sites up, namely Batman: The Animated Homepage and the original The Animated Bat website. The Animated Bat, home to the Bat-Toon Board, surged when The New Batman Adventures hit Kids’WB!, but slowly disappeared after that. Batman: The Animated Homepage, to make it really simple, merged with my Superman: The Animated Message Board (along with my Batman Beyond: The Animated Message Board and Batman: The Animated Message Board), and became this site. Now, it’s much more complicated than that, and I think I may be doing a massive injustice to the people whom I worked with over the years, but this post isn’t about that (sorry guys!). I’m sure a lot of them even remember posting here, and I’m sure some of them still view the board. I wouldn’t be surprised if some of the notorious banned folks aren’t also peaking in. But, like I said, that’s a whole different topic!

Now where was I? Ah yes! Batman: The Animated Series. It’s hard to believe that fifteen years ago, so many of us where sitting down to watch this show. Fifteen years! That’s incredible! Of course, it’s incredible for a show, any show, to still have such an impact on the fan base, and the industry, as a whole. Who knew that, when we all sat down to watch this show, a whole universe would spawn from this series? That after it, Superman: The Animated Series would begin. That the creators behind the series would look into the future with the definitive Batman Beyond. Of course, there’s also Justice League, as well, which would bring everything together in the end. Quite amazing, yes?

And it was the creators behind this show that made it so absolutely amazing. We had the likes of Bruce Timm, Alan Burnett, Paul Dini, Stan Berkowtiz, Dwayne McDuffie, Boyd Kirkland, Dan Riba, Michael Reaves, Hilary Bader, among many others, who contributed. Even comic greats like Dennis O’Neil and Len Wein stepped in. And I know I’m missing awhile lot of people here, but there are just so many people that deserve thanking. What I like is that everyone had a role to play in the show, and there role was always crucial. And that, to me, made the episodes work. Yes, sometimes the results weren’t all that good, I’ll admit, but you could always count on something memorable, even from the worst episodes (like that ridiculous screwdriver/sword duel in “I’ve Got A Batman In My Basement”).

But everything came together in this series. Driven by powerful scores, thanks to the late (and missed) Shirley Walker, this show was something to behold. Kristopher Carter, Michael McCuistion, Lolita Ritmanis also contributed, among many others, some memorable and unforgettable music. Music that deserves to be released commercially someday.

And who could forget Kevin Conroy as Batman? Or Mark Hammill as The Joker. And the list goes on, people. This series was casted perfectly. Every last role.

There’s so much that can be touched upon here that I don’t think I could do it justice. And there's so many people, countless people, who deserve thanking. I mean, besides, this posting is pretty much scribblings on a napkin to Batman: The Animated Series when it comes to the likes of Batman: Animated, which has covered this show in so much detail. But I wanted to mark today, this day, as an important day for us animation fans. I’m not sure if this makes me incredibly dorky or anything, but no matter what I go through or grasp an interest in, it will always be Batman: The Animated Series that will remain untouched. It had that quality about it that no other show had. A quality that even though the majority of the audience, at the time, were children, they weren’t being spoken down to as such.

Even though some of the situations were quite fantastic, there was always a down to earth quality about them. Whether it was the Joker, Two-Face, or even Ra’s Al Ghul, every character seemed seeped in believability. Sure, there were elements that sometimes strained our beliefs in what could be done, but everything worked in Batman’s world. Every impossible jump, every convoluted plan, everything. It all worked. And it was something to behold.

I guess, in the end, what kept me, and many others, going back to Batman: The Animated Series for years to come was how the show respected the characters. I think that has to do with the love the creators had for these amazing fictional creations, and it was a practice that continues on for many other related shows down the line. Timm not only created, arguably, the definitive version of Batman, but of Superman and the Justice League, as well. He stripped away the ridiculous and unnecessary aspects of the comic book lore and presented us with the best. They even created a few new things along the way, too, be it characters or status quo alterations, which, in effect, brought out the best in the character, be it Batman, Superman, or whoever. They knew what worked, what didn’t, and what needed to be changed. What had a more dramatic impact? What was more important to the core of their character? What mattered most to them? They brought all these questions to the table and, from that, they created an amazing world.

And to think. That all started with Batman: The Animated Series. Fifteen years ago to the day. Who knew that, as we watched Batman chase down Red Claw and tangle with Catwoman, we’d be watching some of the most iconic and important animation we’d ever bear witness to? Quite an amazing legacy.

Happy 15th Anniversary, Batman.

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Comments?

[P-Ray]

^That's cool! I did not know that!

I was actually watching some eps. on season 3 of the new Batman series.

[RollaFett]

Hmmm...I seem to recall the premiere episode being on during primetime on Fox, but can't remember which day. Also, I thought the premiere episode had Man-Bat in it. Then again, perhaps that's the "On Leather Wings" episode was about.

[Mark Skywalker]

http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/WF/thebatman/media/gallery/bsstory01.jpg

"The Batman" premieres September 22 at 11:30 a.m. ET/PT as part of the Kids' WB! Lineup on The CW Network.

"The Batman/Superman Story,"

When we last left Batman, the Martian Manhunter had just proposed The Dark Knight join the ranks of the Justice League. It doesn't take long to learn Batman's answer as Superman sparks a "World's Finest" tale in the thrilling, two-part season opener.



http://supermanhomepage.com/news.php?readmore=3914

[P-Ray]

^Just got done watching season 3 on DVD with my son! Great show!

[Mark Skywalker]

IMO this series didn't start to really become The Comic book Mythology Iconic BATMAN until Season 4 with the intro of Robin into The series .


Then it pick up . IMo the first 3 seasons sucked badly.

[P-Ray]

IMO this series didn't start to really become The Comic book Mythology Iconic BATMAN until Season 4 with the intro of Robin into The series .


Then it pick up . IMo the first 3 seasons sucked badly.
I actually thought the 3rd season was excellent. I liked how they introduced Barbara Gordon/Batgirl and Commish Gordon.

But the first 2 seasons were very lacking IMO!

Still can't stand the new design of The Riddler who is my favorite villian.

[Mark Skywalker]

I actually thought the 3rd season was excellent. I liked how they introduced Barbara Gordon/Batgirl and Commish Gordon.

But the first 2 seasons were very lacking IMO!

Still can't stand the new design of The Riddler who is my favorite villian.

I Guess it the Fanboy in me, (Because I just couldn't stand this version of Babs as Bratgirl ) She ruined the 3rd season for me BIG TIME .

However she's vastly improved in season 4 with the intro of Robin . I love the three team-up episode with Batgirl & Robin in season 4 .

I hate all of the villain designs .

[P-Ray]

I hate all of the villain designs .
Yeah, it has taken me the 3 seasons just to get used to the new villian designs.

But like I said, The Riddler is the biggest distraction for me.

[P-Ray]

The Batman season 5!

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/34117

[Mark Skywalker]

The Season 5 Premiere Today was awesome . Season 5 started off with a huge BANG !!!!!

Full review coming soon

[P-Ray]

The Season 5 Premiere Today was awesome . Season 5 started off with a huge BANG !!!!!

Full review coming soon
Can't wait! I DVRed it!

[Master Magnus]

CNN: Special Effects technician killed on set (http://www.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/Movies/09/25/film.setdeath.ap/index.html?eref=rss_topstories)

[Morridini]

Ouch, at least it didn't happen during filming. This way it will hardly bother the production at all.

[empire21]

CNN: Special Effects technician killed on set (http://www.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/Movies/09/25/film.setdeath.ap/index.html?eref=rss_topstories)

That's a shame.

[P-Ray]

The Dark Knight (http://movies.go.com/dark-knight/d894902/action)
Slip of the Tongue Michael Caine dropped a semi-spoiler in an interview discussing an intense scene in which Heath Ledger as the Joker "had to come up in a lift and raid our place," which presumably means Wayne Manor. Darn it, now they're going to have to can Caine just like that extra who leaked Indy 4 secrets.

movies.com

[Raganork8]

Interesting.


Hype for this movie has sort of died down, which is good, it only means we're getting closer...

It'll return with much more force.

[Mark Skywalker]

See I knew The BAT would be prepared for THE MAN OF STEEL . (I can't wait to see part 2 of The Season Premeire episode Tomorrow morning .)

http://supermanhomepage.com/images/cartoons/Bat_Kryptonite.jpg

[Mark Skywalker]

THE BATMAN - The Joining part 1.

Synopsis
John Jones, a new detective in Gotham, hints that he may know Batman’s secret. Batman must uncover this mysterious figure’s true identity and whether he is a friend or a foe. The answers prove shocking.

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[Mark Skywalker]

The Batman - The Joining part 2.

Synopsis
Gotham faces its biggest threat ever – an alien invasion. Determined to save his city on his own, Batman learns even the greatest heroes must sometimes rely on a team.

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[Mark Skywalker]

The Batman superman story part 1

Synopsis
When Superman presents a check from Metropolis to Gotham in it's rebuilding after the alien invasion, he meets with Batman but isn't interested with the new Justice League. But when Lois is kidnapped, Superman & Batman must come to the rescue in the team-up of the well-known World's Finest.

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The Batman superman story part 2

Synopsis

Part 2 of “The Batman/Superman Story” finds Superman under the control of Lex Luthor, courtesy of Poison Ivy's hypnotic spores. Batman and Robin must free Superman from his trance and halt Luthor's diabolical plans.

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[Mark Skywalker]

The Batman - Vertigo

"The Batman" welcomes another member of The Justice League to Gotham with an episode entitled "Vertigo" In the episode, Green Arrow teams up with Batman when Count Vertigo, a villain who can affect people's sense of balance, arrives in Gotham with a diabolical plan.

Chris Hardwick (MTV¹s "Singled Out") and Greg Ellis ("Beowulf," "Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End") provide the voices of Green Arrow and Vertigo, respectively.
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[P-Ray]

The Dark Knight (http://movies.go.com/dark-knight/d894902/action)
The Final Countdown While there's no official word on when a full trailer will be ready, a candle burning down in a jack-o-lantern here (http://www.whysoserious.com/) has led to speculation that one may drop on Halloween. Or the candle is just a subtle message from producers to director Christopher Nolan about how much money is left in his budget.

movies.com

[Raganork8]

why so serious has been the best "motion picture" website in a while.

[Mark Skywalker]

Nolan and Roven on The Dark Knight
Source: Batman Movie News and Updates (http://www.batmovienews.com/tdk/batman-will-have-scary-white-lenses/)
October 23, 2007


Batman Movies News and Updates (http://www.batmovienews.com/tdk/batman-will-have-scary-white-lenses/) has translated an interview with The Dark Knight (http://www.comingsoon.net/films.php?id=15813) director Christopher Nolan and producer Charles Roven from Kino.de (http://www.kino.de/news/batman-flattert-nach-hongkong/242400/nr-242400,channel-kino,ref-rssfeed.html) which included these bits (minor spoilers):

- Batman (http://www.superherohype.com/news/topnews.php?id=6436#) will go to Hong Kong for some kind of "gangster hunting", but Roven doesn't say why Batman travels to Hong Kong.
- The IMAX (http://www.superherohype.com/news/topnews.php?id=6436#) preview with I Am Legend is the first five minutes of the film.
- "The whole thing is not 'Joker Begins', because we did not tell how the Joker became what he is," says Nolan. "During these five minutes it is shown how the the small crook becomes the most-dreaded gangster of the city - it is more like "The Rise of the Joker."
- Batman's new mask will have white lenses on the eyes when he turns on the Bat-sonar detection.

The Dark Knight (http://www.comingsoon.net/films.php?id=15813) hits theaters on July 18, 2008.

http://www.superherohype.com/news/topnews.php?id=6436

[RollaFett]

Ok, so a trailer looks to be coming in a week. With a film, I wonder? Or is it just going to be online?

[Kapit]

Well, judging by whysoserious.com, we're looking at something to come out right before Halloween, so perhaps this weekend with either "Saw IV" or "Dan in Real Life"?

Only other option is "American Gangster" or "Bee Movie" on Nov. 2

[Morridini]

Anyone know when Halloween is?

[RollaFett]

Next Wednesday, October 31st.

[Morridini]

Aha, should have remembered that.....

[Raganork8]

My Vote will go to Saw IV...

[Talcy]

I was under the impression that there was a trailer, in the form of the first 5 minutes of the film, debuting with I Am Legend.

[Raganork8]

^ No What they were saying was there will be an interesting fiver minute preview of the movie that explains how the Joker has become the most notorious criminal in gotham. This will probably have to do with the way the "first" joker was killed and the riot that ensued.


If you remember a little while back there was a police report on whysoserious.com that explained that the joker was lead out from the riot by some thugs and taken to a car where loud screamig could be heard and he presumed to be dead, i assume this little movie short will center around that, the actual trailer i think will be with Saw IV

[Kapit]

Nope, no trailer on Saw IV. The pumpkin is still burning down, and no word of it tonight when I was working. Guess we really do have to wait for Halloween

[P-Ray]

I hope it is! I can't wait!:happydance:

[Raganork8]

The suspense is killing me!:banghead:

[Raganork8]

also have you noticed the pumpkin is falling apart on only HALF of it's face...

[Morridini]

So, it seems to be melting?
Like wax or plastic....
Any movies coming now about Wax or Plastic...?

[mattypo]

i wouldn't say its melting, it looks to me like is rotting or decaying.

for me

the half pumpkin rotting signifies two face

the candle melting and the pumpkin tell us something is coming on halloween

but also the halloween theme strengthens the links the dark night will have with the story the long halloween

[empire21]

^ That's pretty clever thinking. :yes:

[Raganork8]

i wouldn't say its melting, it looks to me like is rotting or decaying.

for me

the half pumpkin rotting signifies two face

the candle melting and the pumpkin tell us something is coming on halloween

but also the halloween theme strengthens the links the dark night will have with the story the long halloween


That's what i thought, but i also think it's counting down to something...we'll see...

[Raganork8]

LOL,


If you look at just the nose and mouth of the pumpkin you'll notice that it's the Bat Symbol...

[empire21]

Yep, I noticed that myself.

[Kapit]

i wouldn't say its melting, it looks to me like is rotting or decaying.

for me

the half pumpkin rotting signifies two face

the candle melting and the pumpkin tell us something is coming on halloween

but also the halloween theme strengthens the links the dark night will have with the story the long halloween

That's what I got out of it too...

Maybe an official pic of Two Face? or a Two Face-centric trailer?

[Raganork8]

It's def something about Two Face, I think there will be a trailer featuring Harvey's Campaign ad and then something will happen in there


Also "See you In December" Must be related only to the Joker, now tat I think of it...

Since we now know that "I Am Legend" will have the first five minutes of the film and the first five minutes of the film deal solely on The Joker I think we can now expect Whysoserious to deal in two halves.

Joker and Two Face


This could also be a clue to our less Dark Knight cultured friends that Harvey WILL be the villain after Joker. Notice how when the pumpkin dies off that'll be when the face is completely consumed Maybe this means when Joker is gone from the movies Two-Face Will take his place (in terms of a new villain)

[Morridini]

Is something starting to show on the other side?

[Kapit]

All this viral marketing got me to thinking, and seeing as how it's Halloween time, it's time for someone to make this pumpkin...

And yes, this is my pumpkin!

[Raganork8]

Is something starting to show on the other side?


I don't see anything

[Mark Skywalker]

Well The Halloween two-Face pumpkin is gone and now replaced by a real life Scavenger Hunt game .

http://www.whysoserious.com/

Check it out .

[Morridini]

Wish they could make some international ones...

[Orandhite]

Yeah, that's a bummer. :(

[P-Ray]

So then are we getting the trailer today?

[Raganork8]

Doesn't look like it, but i'm going to 57th and lexington today

[kopernikuz]

Dang, the two Cleveland ones are already found... :(

[Mark Skywalker]

UPDATE

The secret Message reads - "The only sensible way to live in this world is without rules."

[Mark Skywalker]

Update The PRIZE

http://img02.picoodle.com/img/img02/6/10/31/f_Untitled1m_6ae7ef6.jpg

http://www.whysoserious.com/
(Click the link and the pic under the secret message for a voice clip )

The Joker : Tonight your going break your One rule .

[Mark Skywalker]

NEW GAME Challenge

http://www.rorysdeathkiss.com/

[Raganork8]

I wish I could do it...; but i spent on my money on my Clone trooper outfit.

[RollaFett]

Sooo...does that mean there was no trailer?

[Kapit]

Sooo...does that mean there was no trailer?


In a word. No, there's no trailer, they are instead giving us a picture that has a little voice bite...and there's no new trailer.

[P-Ray]

Heath Ledger on playing Joker!

http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=39038

[Raganork8]

http://green.yahoo.com/news/afp/entertainmentfilmenvironmentbatmanhongkong.html


Batman defeated by water!


*minor spoilers*

[James T. Skywalker]

God I hate that the Batman series from the 60's is always used when talking about the character, even in the new movies that clearly have drawn NOTHING from them. "Zap! Pow!" C'mon, Yahoo. That's totally lame.

~JTS

[P-Ray]

Big spoiler on the Joker's introduction!

http://www.superherohype.com/news/topnews.php?id=6496

[Raganork8]

Hm.. I thought it be a little more Bloody than that.

[Raganork8]

Has anyone else submitted a pic for whysoserious?

I just did I'll let you know what happens...

[Mark Skywalker]

THE BATMAN - A Mirror Darkly

Synopsis : The Flash (Wally West) comes to Gotham when the Mirror Master has some plans of his own that leads to a team between The Dark Knight and The Scarlet Speeder.

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[P-Ray]

^I thought that was a decent episode, BTW!