MOVIES: Batman

[Soontir Solo]

I can't wait for the sequel, it sounds like it will be good.

[Justin]

Originally posted by DonSwoosh@Oct 18 2005, 07:25 PM
For the sequel, their building a mob war storyline with the Joker as the Wild Card and with Dent turning into Two Face at the end that carries over into the 3rd film.

Look for a British arms dealer to make a cameo appearance in the 2nd film; Oswald "The Penguin" Cobblepot.
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That's all speculation by some guy who has no connection to the Batman films on what he would like to see in a sequel, not what will actually be in the film.

[DonSwoosh]

It's speculation but given the site, which has a track record of being fairly accurate when it came to Begins info in the past, I'd think it could be a possiblity that it could be accurate.

Essentially, from what I've gathered, they're basically doing the Long Halloween, with some tweaking here and there to the storyline.

[Mark Skywalker]

Originally posted by DonSwoosh@Oct 18 2005, 08:18 PM
Essentially, from what I've gathered, they're basically doing the Long Halloween, with some tweaking here and there to the storyline.
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Sweet. that was an awesome storyline style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/yeah.gif

[James T. Skywalker]

Agreed, if they did something akin to The Long Halloween, I'd be very, very happy. Especially if we saw Bruce do some detective work along the way.

~JTS

[DonSwoosh]

Again, all speculation at this point, but the webmaster at the site seems to think that this story arc could be legit from sources he's heard back from who did reporting on Begins when it was in production and came back to be accurate.

I ordered Year One, The Long Halloween, and Dark Victory yesterday to specifically see how all of this plays out. I'm very curious.

[James T. Skywalker]

I went and got the deluxe edition DVD yesterday as well. So far, very pleased. I love the fact that they included the MTV "Tankman" skit from the MTV Movie Awards, that was great. I'd seen it before, but it's still funny. It could've used the laughs from the awards show behind it, though. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

~JTS

[Mark Skywalker]

here are some Easter eggs

Disc 2
- Use the bat symbol to navigate your way through the scenes of a comic book

- Go to the second screen
- Press the down arrow key on your remote and part of a wall will be highlighted
- Press "enter" and you will hear how David S. Goyer (Co-Writer) began writing the script for the movie

- Go to the scrren where the Scarecrow is holding a lighter
- Press the down arrow key and the eyes of the Scarecrow will be highlighted
- Press "enter" and you will hear Paul Franklin (Visual Effects Supervisor) talk about the concept shots using Christian Bale and a digital Batman

- Another hidden feature can be revealed by pressing the down arrow key
- Press the left arrow key to highlight Batman's reflection in the water
- Press "enter" and you will see "Wayne Enterprises Applied Sciences Division Testing Labs" where they test out the new Batmoblie (The Tumbler) and see the stunt rehearsals for the film.

[P-Ray]

I just got finished watching all the extras. Good stuff!

I seem to have found all the Easter Eggs.

[P-Ray]

Just watched the movie for the second time! It's absolutely incredible! Definitely one of my favorites.

[P-Ray]

Originally posted by James T. Skywalker@Oct 19 2005, 11:57 AM
I went and got the deluxe edition DVD yesterday as well. So far, very pleased. I love the fact that they included the MTV "Tankman" skit from the MTV Movie Awards, that was great. I'd seen it before, but it's still funny. It could've used the laughs from the awards show behind it, though. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

~JTS
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I just watched Tankman for the first time. That was hilarious!

[James T. Skywalker]

I watched everything on disc two today. Awesome stuff, especially how you were able to access it. This is definitely how a comic book movie's DVD features should be set up.

~JTS

[P-Ray]

I can't rant enough of what a fantastic movie that is!

[empire21]

I just watched it for the first time the other day, I can't believe I missed this at the show style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/banghead.gif

[P-Ray]

This is definitely on one of my favorte movies ever list! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/happydance.gif

[borgmatrix]

Originally posted by P-Ray@Oct 22 2005, 02:12 PM
This is definitely on one of my favorte movies ever list! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/happydance.gif
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That's cool. It's definitely a great movie. Are you a batman fan in general and a reader of the comics?

[James T. Skywalker]

Originally posted by borgmatrix+Oct 22 2005, 07:58 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(borgmatrix @ Oct 22 2005, 07:58 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-P-Ray@Oct 22 2005, 02:12 PM
This is definitely on one of my favorte movies ever list! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/happydance.gif
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That's cool. It's definitely a great movie. Are you a batman fan in general and a reader of the comics?
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Check and check here. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

And yeah, it's gonna be on my "Movies I Can Watch More Than Once a Week" list, along with Empire Strikes Back, GoldenEye, The Phantom of the Opera and A Few Good Men. (I've got interesting tastes, I know. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif )

~JTS

[borgmatrix]

Originally posted by James T. Skywalker+Oct 22 2005, 05:05 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(James T. Skywalker @ Oct 22 2005, 05:05 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'>Originally posted by borgmatrix@Oct 22 2005, 07:58 AM
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This is definitely on one of my favorte movies ever list! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/happydance.gif
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That's cool. It's definitely a great movie. Are you a batman fan in general and a reader of the comics?
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Check and check here. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif~JTS
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I was asking because on another forum, there are some saying that BB was unoriginal (simply showing stuff that's been seen and done in the comics) and offers nothing new or with as much depth as the Burton movies. They say the only reason so many fans love it is because they had a checklist of things they wanted to see from the Batman comics and that it's that aspect (rather than BB being a great movie) that so many like. They seem convinced that there's so much more going on in the Burton Batman movies.

So I'm keeping my eyes peeled for those who love the movie but aren't diehard batman fans, since that would indicate that it's not simply details from the comic book that make BB great but the fact that it's a great movie period. And actually, it does seem that's the case. Most reviews were very positive and I can't imagine they are all Batman fans who were approaching the movie with a checklist mentality. Same for the general population. So many seem to love the movie and I highly doubt they all knew the details of the comics.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>And yeah, it's gonna be on my "Movies I Can Watch More Than Once a Week" list, along with Empire Strikes Back, GoldenEye, The Phantom of the Opera and A Few Good Men. (I've got interesting tastes, I know. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif )
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I think most might find my tastes stranger since ROTS is my favorite of the SW trilogy. I love Goldeneye, as well. It might be my favorite of the Bond movies. And I'd put both Batman Returns and Begins among my favorite movies. I just can't choose between them, so I'm putting them right alongside one another.

[P-Ray]

Originally posted by James T. Skywalker+Oct 22 2005, 12:05 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(James T. Skywalker @ Oct 22 2005, 12:05 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'>Originally posted by borgmatrix@Oct 22 2005, 07:58 AM
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This is definitely on one of my favorte movies ever list! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/happydance.gif
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That's cool. It's definitely a great movie. Are you a batman fan in general and a reader of the comics?
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Check and check here. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

And yeah, it's gonna be on my "Movies I Can Watch More Than Once a Week" list, along with Empire Strikes Back, GoldenEye, The Phantom of the Opera and A Few Good Men. (I've got interesting tastes, I know. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif )

~JTS
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Actually my list would be very similar! I can watch all of the SW movies but I have never seen Phantom of the Opera. (I have seen the play though style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif ).

Plus, I'm a major Bond fan and A Few Good Men is a masterpeice, IMO that I watch all the time.

[P-Ray]

Originally posted by borgmatrix+Oct 22 2005, 10:58 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(borgmatrix @ Oct 22 2005, 10:58 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-P-Ray@Oct 22 2005, 02:12 PM
This is definitely on one of my favorte movies ever list! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/happydance.gif
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That's cool. It's definitely a great movie. Are you a batman fan in general and a reader of the comics?
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I used to read the comics but I really don't anymore. I lost it for the comics.

I actually started loving Batman when Burton's film came out. I still love those movies, but Begins is the way Batman is truly potrayed, I know.

But I like it because of the writing and the performances and the accurate portrayal of Batman. like the developement of the character and just love everything about the movie. I know Begins was based from Batman year one and the long Halloween(along with 2 other books) but I read them so long ago that I really don't remember them.

[Mark Skywalker]

Originally posted by James T. Skywalker@Oct 20 2005, 09:04 PM
I watched everything on disc two today. Awesome stuff, especially how you were able to access it. This is definitely how a comic book movie's DVD features should be set up.

~JTS
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I agree . style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/yeah.gif

[RollaFett]

I got the DVD last week, and finally watched the film the other day. It was even better than I remember it being when I saw it the theater. Next up, the extras! Probably this weekend.

On a related note, I also purchased the Original Batman film (1989), and watched all of the extras for that. I must say, pretty damn good. The amount of time that Nicholson is giving his insights on so many different aspects of the film was surprising. You can really tell how much fun he had with that movie and how much it still means to him. Hell, he was wearing a Batman pin on his shirt during his interview! Pretty cool. I still haven't watched the director's commentary, but I look forward to it.

[borgmatrix]

Originally posted by P-Ray@Oct 22 2005, 07:21 PM
I actually started loving Batman when Burton's film came out. I still love those movies, but Begins is the way Batman is truly potrayed, I know.
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Well, I don't think either can be called the true portrayal. Both are valid and there really isn't a correct version of Batman.

So do you prefer the Burton movies or Begins? Of the live action movies, I'd put "Returns" and "Begins" at a tie for #1 and "Batman" at 2.

[P-Ray]

Originally posted by borgmatrix@Oct 26 2005, 11:30 PM
Well, I don't think either can be called the true portrayal. Both are valid and there really isn't a correct version of Batman.
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I actually meant that it was more like current comics.

Originally posted by borgmatrix@Oct 26 2005, 11:30 PM
So do you prefer the Burton movies or Begins? Of the live action movies, I'd put "Returns" and "Begins" at a tie for #1 and "Batman" at 2.
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I think that I would have to agree with you but Begins may edge Returns slightly

[Filoviridae]

This Batman was missing the element of "cheese" that Burton's were full of (especially the last few).

I've never really gotten into the comics...I just liked this one because it was believable. I know tons of people hated Unbreakable (not me style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif ) but the way it was portrayed realistically is what appealed to me and sort of reminded me of it.

[borgmatrix]

Originally posted by Filoviridae@Oct 27 2005, 10:44 PM
This Batman was missing the element of "cheese" that Burton's were full of (especially the last few).

I assume you're talking about "Batman Forever" and "Batman & Robin" which were directed by Joel Schumacher, not Tim Burton.

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I liked the realistic approach of "Begins", but I also loved the dark fairy tale quality of Burton's (particularly "Batman Returns").

[Dark Helmet]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>And yeah, it's gonna be on my "Movies I Can Watch More Than Once a Week" list, along with Empire Strikes Back, GoldenEye, The Phantom of the Opera and A Few Good Men. (I've got interesting tastes, I know. )

~JTS [/b][/quote]

Goldeneye is my personal favorite Bond movie.

[Dutch]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>So I'm keeping my eyes peeled for those who love the movie but aren't diehard batman fans, since that would indicate that it's not simply details from the comic book that make BB great but the fact that it's a great movie period. And actually, it does seem that's the case. Most reviews were very positive and I can't imagine they are all Batman fans who were approaching the movie with a checklist mentality. Same for the general population. So many seem to love the movie and I highly doubt they all knew the details of the comics.[/b][/quote]

Count me in this group. I didn't know dick about Batman's origins because I have never read a comic book in my life. I have actually been pretty staunch in my belief that Batman is one of my least favorite comic book heroes(as far as comic book to movie translations go). After seeing BB, I have changed my mind. It was a really good movie.

What I can't understand is how Spiderman and it's sequels have made so much at the box office. Both of those movies IMO are not even in the same league as BB.

Makes me really excited for Superman Returns next year. If Singer and crew can do as well as Nolan did, SR will probably be my favorite superhero movie of all time.

[Dutch]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>I've never really gotten into the comics...I just liked this one because it was believable. I know tons of people hated Unbreakable (not me ) but the way it was portrayed realistically is what appealed to me and sort of reminded me of it. [/b][/quote]

I loved that movie also. I think it was ,by far, Shalyman's best movie.

Very Underrated.

[P-Ray]

Originally posted by Dutch@Oct 29 2005, 11:06 AM
What I can't understand is how Spiderman and it's sequels have made so much at the box office. Both of those movies IMO are not even in the same league as BB.
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I personally thought that Spidey 2 was close to the same level!

Originally posted by Dutch@Oct 29 2005, 11:06 AM
Makes me really excited for Superman Returns next year. If Singer and crew can do as well as Nolan did, SR will probably be my favorite superhero movie of all time.
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Me too!

The original Superman movie was my first Super Hwero movie when growing up! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

I am really anticipating that movie!

[borgmatrix]

Originally posted by Dutch@Oct 29 2005, 04:06 PM
What I can't understand is how Spiderman and it's sequels have made so much at the box office. Both of those movies IMO are not even in the same league as BB.
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I think the Spider-man movies have been more viewer-friendly and accessible because they've been lighter and the stories a bit more straight-forward. With "Begins" being darker, more realistic, and less funny, I can understand less people being interested in seeing it.

Also, keep in mind that Spidey is relatively new to the big screen, which undoubtedly played a role in how successful those movies were. With Batman, we had the Adam West movie way back and it's already been 16 years (5 movies) since the '89 Burton film. So Batman may not seem quite as new or fresh to the general audience.

[Justin]

Also the Spider-Man movies were heavily marketed toward the elementary school crowd, who had their parents take them along.

Actually, the Spider-Man movies were just heavily marketed period. There wasn't much marketing for Batman Begins. Almost no product tie-ins either.

[Virus]

True and the fact that the Spiderman movies had never been done before whereas this was the 5th Batman movie in the past 16 years. Check out movie grosses adjusted for inflation: http://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/adjusted.htm Batman falls in-between both Spiderman movies. So basically a movie will hit the biggest when it has never had a big screen treatment.

[Siamese Sith]

Any word on the next BB?
Will it be titled BB2 style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/huh.gif

[P-Ray]

Originally posted by Siamese Sith@Oct 30 2005, 04:33 PM
Any word on the next BB?
Will it be titled BB2 style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/huh.gif
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No! I actually think it's titled BBQ! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif

[Justin]

Originally posted by Virus@Oct 30 2005, 01:44 AM
True and the fact that the Spiderman movies had never been done before whereas this was the 5th Batman movie in the past 16 years. Check out movie grosses adjusted for inflation: http://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/adjusted.htm Batman falls in-between both Spiderman movies. So basically a movie will hit the biggest when it has never had a big screen treatment.
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Actually there have been Spider-Man movies before. In the 70s, I believe.

[Virus]

^I'm trying to find previous Spiderman movies from earlier on IMDB.com and I can't find any. Where did you find these Justin?

[RollaFett]

If I recall, they were a couple of made for TV movies in the 70's. Still, I'm surprised that they wouldn't show up on IMDB.

[RollaFett]

I found this, which talks about a TV series in the 70's.
Spider-Man (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Amazing_Spider-Man_(TV_series))

[Justin]

Actually I think there were a couple Japanese Spider-Man movies too.

EDIT: I did some research and yeah, it looks like it was a TV movie/TV show, and there was also a Japanese Spider-Man TV show that was completely different from the Spider-Man we know, with the exception of the costume and the web-shooting.

But you hav a valid point, Virus. There have been no big-budget Hollywood Spider-Man films. I think the bad taste Batman & Robin left in the collective mouth of filmgoers kept some people away from Batman Begins. It is making a killing on DVD now though, which I expected.

[Virus]

Everyone expected that because this movie just was in the theaters. Its so pathetic how fast movies go from theater to dvd.

Here is the tv show Amazing Spider-man at IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0076975/

Someone mentioned above that Spiderman has a softer and more family feel than Batman which is why it did better. I would have to agree and also with the fact that it never had a movie before whereas Batman was coming off a cheesy 60s tv show and movie and the latest Batman was coming off another cheesy movie. Spiderman had zero negativity towards it and a huge fanbase. Nuff said.

So what did we learn today kiddies: Original ideas are the best style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[James T. Skywalker]

Batman Begins is faaaaaaar better than either of the recent Spider-Man movies.

~JTS

PS: FAAAAAAAAAAR better.

[Justin]

Actually Virus, it isn't pathetic how fast movies are released on DVD. In fact, it's good business sense for the studios.

You see, very few films are profitable during their release in theaters. Because the studios have to pay millions of dollars for marketing on top of the budgets for their films, plus the VERY high prices they have to pay to distribute their films into theaters (which would be significantly reduced by converting to digital projection instead of making film prints), films rarely make their money back from their theatrical release.

The actual profit (other than overseas box office) comes from what are called "ancillary markets," or secondary releases on TV, cable, and most effectively on home video (especially with the advent of DVD).

A problem with the long windows between theatrical release and DVD release is that studios have to spend a lot more money to market the film a second time. By tightening the window they have to spend less on marketing, because the marketing for the initial release is still fresh in people's minds.

To use a marketing term, "brand awareness" is still fairly high and doesn't need as much reinforcement.

Bob Iger, recently made CEO of Disney, stated a month or so ago that studios should consider eliminating the window entirely, releasing their films in the theater and on DVD simultaneously.

Now, this is bad news for movie theater owners because it means that even less people will go to see films in the theater.

However, it is good news for the studios (and movie rental/retailers who would see increased business) because it costs them much less to release films onto DVD, and the margin for profit from the purchase or rental of a DVD is also larger vs. the margin of profit for a movie ticket.

So by releasing films onto DVD instead of in the theaters, movie studios would be reducing (in fact eliminating) the cost of secondary marketing, vastly reducing the cost of distribution, and increasing the profit margin.

I like going to see films in the movie theater more than I like watching them at home (at least concerning event films- I'm interested in seeing smaller films but would not pay to see them in the theater) so I don't want movie theaters to become a thing of the past, but I understand how eliminating the release window means good business for the studios.

[T-bone]

Hey - I finally saw this the other day. It wasn't bad, actually. It had its moments. I did like it better than both Spider Man films though.

However - it was a LOT of setup. Liam Neeson was great but they reduced him to a typical bad guy at the end there. He was much more interesting in the first half. Oldman was awesome. Freeman and Hauer were great! Holmes is just bloody awful though.

Now that I think about it, we really didn't see him in the suit all that much.

Anyhow - here's to the second one which will be MUCH better. Anyhow - decent flick!

[P-Ray]

I'm definitely ready for the sequel!

[empire21]

Originally posted by T'bone@Nov 23 2005, 12:03 PM
it was a LOT of setup. Liam Neeson was great but they reduced him to a typical bad guy at the end there. He was much more interesting in the first half. Oldman was awesome. Freeman and Hauer were great! Holmes is just bloody awful though

I actually enjoyed the whole setup more than the scenes with Bruce in the cape, and as far as Liam Neeson goes I thought the same his character was amazing but in the end it was a bit of a let down. But for Rutger Hauer, too me he would be awesome if he was in The Bridges of Madison County based on on the fact that he was in Blade Runner, which is the greatest movie ever behind ESB.

[JMAS]

I just saw it the first time this week. Definitely the best batman movie to date. Can't say if I liked it better than the Spiderman movies though, but it's close.

I agree about Katie Holmes. I think she was poorly cast. For one, she's 26. She doesn't look old enough to be an Assistant DA.

Definitely looking forward to the sequel.

Originally posted by empire21@Nov 23 2005, 05:04 PM
But for Rutger Hauer, too me he would be awesome if he was in The Bridges of Madison County based on on the fact that he was in Blade Runner, which is the greatest movie ever behind ESB.
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Bladerunner is definitely an awesome flick. But don't forget him in Ladyhawke. That is one of the greatest movies of all time, and also starred Hauer. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[Ripley]

<span style="color:blue">Just watched it. Entertaining film except Kaitie Holmes annoyed me.</span>

[P-Ray]

Originally posted by Ripley@Dec 2 2005, 11:35 PM
<span style="color:blue">Just watched it. Entertaining film except Kaitie Holmes annoyed me.</span>
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Yeah, but she's about the only thing you can really complain about in that movie.

[borgmatrix]

Originally posted by T'bone+Nov 23 2005, 05:03 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(T'bone @ Nov 23 2005, 05:03 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'>However - it was a LOT of setup. [/b]
Except that it never felt like setup. A lot of great stuff during the first half and handled well.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Liam Neeson was great but they reduced him to a typical bad guy at the end there. [/b][/quote]
Not really. The motivations of the League of Shadows were outlined at the beginning, as was their plan for Gotham, so nothing that happened at the end was really a surprise. And Ra's wasn't a typical villain in that he's ultimately fighting evil. He wasn't looking to hold the city ransom, rule, kill people for no reason, or just kill Batman. His answer to the overwhelming corruption of Gotham was extreme, but his goal ultimately was restoring balance by wiping out evil/corruption. And that's also what he's after with the world as a whole. That fits very well with the Ra's of the comics, who's seeks to destroy most of humanity in order to purge much of the evil he believes is inherent in people.

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I didn't find anything to complain about regarding Holmes and very little to criticise with the film as a whole. Excellent movie.

[P-Ray]

Originally posted by borgmatrix+Dec 2 2005, 11:51 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(borgmatrix @ Dec 2 2005, 11:51 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-P-Ray@Dec 3 2005, 04:39 AM
Yeah, but she's about the only thing you can really complain about in that movie.
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I didn't find anything to complain about regarding Holmes and very little to criticise with the film as a whole. Excellent movie.
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She really didn't bother me either! I just meant that the complaint that she was so young for a DA could really be the only legitimate "beef" with the whole movie.

It is now one of my favorite all time movies and to me considered a masterpiece.

[T-bone]

Originally posted by borgmatrix+Dec 3 2005, 12:51 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(borgmatrix @ Dec 3 2005, 12:51 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'>Originally posted by T'bone@Nov 23 2005, 05:03 PM
However - it was a LOT of setup.
Except that it never felt like setup. A lot of great stuff during the first half and handled well.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Liam Neeson was great but they reduced him to a typical bad guy at the end there. [/b]
Not really. The motivations of the League of Shadows were outlined at the beginning, as was their plan for Gotham, so nothing that happened at the end was really a surprise. And Ra's wasn't a typical villain in that he's ultimately fighting evil. He wasn't looking to hold the city ransom, rule, kill people for no reason, or just kill Batman. His answer to the overwhelming corruption of Gotham was extreme, but his goal ultimately was restoring balance by wiping out evil/corruption. And that's also what he's after with the world as a whole. That fits very well with the Ra's of the comics, who's seeks to destroy most of humanity in order to purge much of the evil he believes is inherent in people.

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Felt like set up to me, actually. Go figure. Can't say I didn't like it, just felt like a lot of setup. I never read the originals - how much of that is in the original story?

[borgmatrix]

Originally posted by T'bone@Dec 3 2005, 03:40 PM
Felt like set up to me, actually. Go figure. Can't say I didn't like it, just felt like a lot of setup.
Well, that could be an issue of knowing this is a Batman movie and that this is all leading to him eventually being in the suit. From that sense, if one is waiting for the "Batman" or "costume" part, then I can understand it feeling like a long setup. But forgetting the superhero part and just looking at it as a movie, I thought the beginning stuff was interesting in its own right, moreso than what's seen in a lot of other action or adventure movies.

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The death of his parents being the catalyst for becoming Batman is a familiar element that's existed in the comics from the very beginning, but Nolan and Goyer made one notable addition which was Bruce being responsible for them leaving the performance early, and therefore carrying guilt and some responsibility for their death.

Bruce travelling the world and training for his eventual role as Batman has also been referred to in the comics, though not in a lot of detail. I don't believe there's a definitive account of where he went and who he trained under. Nolan and Goyer chose to link his training to Ra's al Ghul and the League of Shadows, which is completely new. Though, as I said earlier, the League's goals are pretty much the same as the comic.

In the comics, Ra's wanted Bruce to marry his daughter, Talia, and succeed him as leader of the League. Bruce refused, making him an enemy of Ra's. We saw that to a degree in "Begins" with Ra's expecting Bruce, his greatest student, to be an integral part of the League and feeling spurned when Bruce rejected the League's methods.

[P-Ray]

Originally posted by borgmatrix+Dec 3 2005, 12:52 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(borgmatrix @ Dec 3 2005, 12:52 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-T'bone@Dec 3 2005, 03:40 PM
Felt like set up to me, actually. Go figure. Can't say I didn't like it, just felt like a lot of setup.
Well, that could be an issue of knowing this is a Batman movie and that this is all leading to him eventually being in the suit. From that sense, if one is waiting for the "Batman" or "costume" part, then I can understand it feeling like a long setup. But forgetting the superhero part and just looking at it as a movie, I thought the beginning stuff was interesting in its own right, moreso than what's seen in a lot of other action or adventure movies.

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The death of his parents being the catalyst for becoming Batman is a familiar element that's existed in the comics from the very beginning, but Nolan and Goyer made one notable addition which was Bruce being responsible for them leaving the performance early, and therefore carrying guilt and some responsibility for their death.

Bruce travelling the world and training for his eventual role as Batman has also been referred to in the comics, though not in a lot of detail. I don't believe there's a definitive account of where he went and who he trained under. Nolan and Goyer chose to link his training to Ra's al Ghul and the League of Shadows, which is completely new. Though, as I said earlier, the League's goals are pretty much the same as the comic.

In the comics, Ra's wanted Bruce to marry his daughter, Talia, and succeed him as leader of the League. Bruce refused, making him an enemy of Ra's. We saw that to a degree in "Begins" with Ra's expecting Bruce, his greatest student, to be an integral part of the League and feeling spurned when Bruce rejected the League's methods.
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Also. Joe Chill killing Bruce's parents is true to the comics.

[T-bone]

well i knew about the parents thing - i meant all the training, etc.
the "how he became the bat" stuff.

i had no idea that Ra's actually "created" batman like that.
i mean, he pretty much trained him.

[borgmatrix]

Originally posted by T'bone@Dec 3 2005, 07:23 PM
well i knew about the parents thing - i meant all the training, etc.
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I mentioned the parent part only to bring up the one new element they added: Bruce being the reason they left the performance early.

In terms of how he became Batman, much of that was new, at least as far as the detail: how he put the costume together, where the car came from, how the batsignal came to be, etc.

Ra's training Batmant was also something new for the movie. In the comics he had trained overseas also, just not under Ra's. They encountered one another at some point after Bruce became Batman when Ra's showed up in Gotham to recruit Bruce as his successor.

[James T. Skywalker]

And a little futher background on Bruce Wayne's early training:

Bruce did train with a man named Henri Ducard, a French assassin who was one of the most accomplished trackers and detectives in the world. Bruce trained with him for weeks until Ducard killed a subject they were tracking one night, which went against Bruce's code of beliefs, and led to their falling out. This, and several other events surrounding Bruce's training, are detailed in "The Man Who Falls", a story from DC's Secret Origins of the World's Greatest Superheroes in 1989, written by Dennis O'Neil. It can also be found in the recently published Batman: The Greatest Stories Ever Told trade paperback.

~JTS

[Justin]

Well T, I think really that the whole movie essentially WAS the set-up. That's what it was about, what they set out to do, to tell that story.

I can see how people are thinking - it's a new Batman movie so why aren't we seeing more of Batman fighting crime? The answer is that the movie is about how Bruce Wayne got to that point, and that was the point all along.

My biggest complaint of how they handled his training compared to how it was referenced in the comics is that in the movie it was sort of like he just went to this one place and learned how to be like a ninja, where in the comics he went all over the world and learned MANY different skills.

Most conspicuously lacking was how Bruce learned to become "the world's greatest detective" which Batman supposedly is.

[borgmatrix]

Originally posted by Justin@Dec 4 2005, 09:49 AM
Well T, I think really that the whole movie essentially WAS the set-up. That's what it was about, what they set out to do, to tell that story.
It's true that this was the story they set out to tell. But I don't like using the word set-up, because that suggests something obligatory that exists solely to help future installments. Certainly, this is strong groundwork for future movies. But, like I said before, BB was interesting in its own right, as a stand-alone movie. They wanted to tell this story because it was interesting, not because it had to be told.

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It's not necessary to have Bruce travel all over when the same thing can be accomplished in one location. What we did see was done well, so there aren't any serious issues. He was travelling around to experience, and immerse himself in, the criminal mind, so that aspect was there in some sense. But as far as his physical prowess, we saw him develop that and in a reasonable fashion. Nolan and Goyer weren't looking to exactly copy every detail of the comics, but to draw on them and adapt certain elements to their vision.

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Every story needn't be a detective story. There are more movies coming and I'm certain we will see his detective skills. There was no reason to force that aspect in here when it didn't fit naturally into the story they wanted to tell. There are, I believe, at least two more movies coming, so there's plenty of time to establish Wayne's keen mind.

[Justin]

How could it not fit naturally?? That's a major part of the original story. He learned to be a great detective. In the new movie he just suddenly is one after the only training he had was to become a ninja. A missed opportunity in my opinion.

BTW it can be shown/told that he was studying to become a detective without devoting more than a few minutes of the movie to it. They even could have said that's what he was studying in college or something, since he did go to college in the movie.

[James T. Skywalker]

Or even in the quick montage where he's relating to Ducard what happened after he left Gotham before coming to the League. It would have been very simple to slip that in there.

~JTS

[borgmatrix]

Originally posted by Justin+Dec 5 2005, 09:58 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Justin @ Dec 5 2005, 09:58 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'>How could it not fit naturally?? That's a major part of the original story.* He learned to be a great detective.* In the new movie he just suddenly is one after the only training he had was to become a ninja.* A missed opportunity in my opinion.
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I'm not saying that it would have been difficult, just that it's clearly not necessary. The movie works fine without it. Again, the point wasn't to copy every detail of the "original story". For general audiences, it's not going to matter whether Bruce is brilliant in one form or several. And really, it doesn't really matter for the story/movie either. The guy can fight, and pretty damn well, and that's really all that's important in the end.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>BTW it can be shown/told that he was studying to become a detective without devoting more than a few minutes of the movie to it.* They even could have said that's what he was studying in college or something, since he did go to college in the movie.
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Studying to be a detective seems a little silly. It's just not necessary. Bruce Wayne is a highly intelligent individual and I'm sure we'll be seeing that. Again, he doesn't have to be a detective in every single story. As long as we see that aspect down the road, which I'm sure we will, there isn't a problem.

[Justin]

See, Batman being able to fight really well is not what's "really all important in the end" and if that's all the movies focus on then they are doing a disservice to the character. Batman's detective skills are just as if not more important as his ability to kick someone's ass.

How is studying to be a dective silly and unnecessary??? It's extremely necessary to Batman unless all you are caring about is watching him punch people which is too bad. Clearly the Spider-man films are more up your alley.

[P-Ray]

Originally posted by Justin@Dec 6 2005, 05:33 PM
See, Batman being able to fight really well is not what's "really all important in the end" and if that's all the movies focus on then they are doing a disservice to the character. Batman's detective skills are just as if not more important as his ability to kick someone's ass.

How is studying to be a dective silly and unnecessary??? It's extremely necessary to Batman unless all you are caring about is watching him punch people which is too bad. Clearly the Spider-man films are more up your alley.
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True...specially considering that one of Batman's comics is simply caled Detective style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

[borgmatrix]

Originally posted by Justin@Dec 6 2005, 10:33 PM
See, Batman being able to fight really well is not what's "really all important in the end" and if that's all the movies focus on then they are doing a disservice to the character.* Batman's detective skills are just as if not more important as his ability to kick someone's ass.

Justin, you're taking my words completely out of context. If you look back up at the post in which I made that statement, I was addressing whether or not a montage showing additional martial arts training was needed. When I said that fighting well was all that was important in the end, I was not talking about the movie as a whole or his detective skills, but rather about the end result of the physical training scenes only. In other words, having seen him train under Ra's and the league, what was important in the end (as far as his martial arts training) was that he'd picked up those skills and not how many masters he'd trained under. All right? I wasn't downplaying his need for reasoning ability or saying he only needs to beat people up. I was only talking about the montage issue you brought up.

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I never said having detective skills was unnecessary. In fact, I've explicitly stated that I'm damn near positive we will see his abilities as a detective in subsequent films. And I'm all for that since it is an important part of his character. What I did say was that showing him studying to be a detective is silly. You don't become the world's greatest detective by sitting in a classroom. You can't just go to a library and pick up books showing you how to be a detective. We know he's educated, even if he didn't finish at Princeton. We know he has knowledge. We know he's smart. What we, the viewers, need and want to see is his reasoning in an actual situation. We want to see him apply his reasoning. That's where Nolan, Goyer, and Bale will develop the detective part of his persona: in actual practice as pertaining to a particular story.

[Justin]

Well you have to get the skills from somewhere, and showing Bruce studying detective skills would not have been difficult at all.

[Mark Skywalker]

Bruce is The Master at being a great Detective .

[Mark Skywalker]

Check this out .
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[borgmatrix]

Originally posted by Justin@Dec 7 2005, 06:55 AM
Well you have to get the skills from somewhere, and showing Bruce studying detective skills would not have been difficult at all.
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Looking at that pdf Mark Skywalker had linked in his post (which is very cool, thanks, Mark), I realize now what you meant when you talked about studying to be a detective. You're talking about classes like criminology, forensics, criminal psychology, and that sort of thing. Yeah, a reference to Bruce taking something like that wouldn't have been bad. And for all we know, he did take courses like that before leaving Princeton. It wouldn't be necessary to actually see him in class. I don't think anyone wants that. But as long as we eventually see him utilize his mind in solving cases, it'll be fine. As long as we see those skills, I think it'll be great.

Also, getting back to what you were talking about before regarding Bruce training in various styles: While we didn't see a montage of him training under different masters, we did get a great reference to the fact that he had. When he approached the League initially with the blue flower and Ra's/Ducard attacked him, we saw recognition from Ra's of the styles Bruce was using (Tiger, Jujitsu, Panther) and acknowledgement of Bruce's skill. It was a great scene, and we came away knowing Bruce knew at least those three styles. Quite possibly he knew more. But now, in Ra's, he had met his final instructor. The one who would take him to the final level as a fighter.

[James T. Skywalker]

Well, in the comics his studying didn't stop at Princeton. He attended dozens of schools, leaving after only a few months and studying dozens of different fields, some of which were referenced in that scan from the Encyclopedia of the DC Universe. In addition, he also spent time at the FBI academy, and trained with at least a few different martial art masters, the longest one for a little under a year.

~JTS

[borgmatrix]

Originally posted by James T. Skywalker@Dec 10 2005, 12:31 AM
Well, in the comics his studying didn't stop at Princeton. He attended dozens of schools, leaving after only a few months and studying dozens of different fields, some of which were referenced in that scan from the Encyclopedia of the DC Universe. In addition, he also spent time at the FBI academy, and trained with at least a few different martial art masters, the longest one for a little under a year.<div align="right">Quoted post</div>

Yeah, it was definitely a shorter take we got in the movie. So he did study at Princeton in the comics as well? I wasn't sure if they'd made that up for the movie or not.

[James T. Skywalker]

Originally posted by borgmatrix+Dec 9 2005, 05:23 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(borgmatrix @ Dec 9 2005, 05:23 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-James T. Skywalker@Dec 10 2005, 12:31 AM
Well, in the comics his studying didn't stop at Princeton. He attended dozens of schools, leaving after only a few months and studying dozens of different fields, some of which were referenced in that scan from the Encyclopedia of the DC Universe. In addition, he also spent time at the FBI academy, and trained with at least a few different martial art masters, the longest one for a little under a year.<div align="right">Quoted post</div>

Yeah, it was definitely a shorter take we got in the movie. So he did study at Princeton in the comics as well? I wasn't sure if they'd made that up for the movie or not.
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I don't know if he studied at Princeton or not. But it's implied that he studied at many schools, and Princeton certainly is an elite school and could have been one of them.

~JTS

[SuperPalpy]

Hello, everybody. My name is Matt Loewen, co-host of STAR WARS FM, a fan review show. I have been recently bringing together an idea of doing a special edition on the five Batman movies, and I would very much like someone to be a guest to review one of the films with me. I already have Brandon Harbeke reviewing BATMAN FOREVER with me: that leaves four films. So anyone out there with a microphone, a program that can record audio in an mp3 or wav format, and an interest in doing this contact me on this board or at manjiggle@hotmail.com. Once again, your help would be greatly appreciated.

[borgmatrix]

During the scene when Batman's taking out Falcone's men, we see Falcone get out of his car to see what's going on. When he rushes back to his car a moment later, his driver's unconscious, right? When would Batman have had a chance to do that?

[James T. Skywalker]

Originally posted by borgmatrix@Dec 11 2005, 06:56 PM
During the scene when Batman's taking out Falcone's men, we see Falcone get out of his car to see what's going on. When he rushes back to his car a moment later, his driver's unconscious, right? When would Batman have had a chance to do that?
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Falcone got out of the car before Batman jumped on his guys. So the action goes:

Falcone gets out of the car to find his men.
Batman subdues the driver.
Batman jumps in on Falcone's men.
Falcone sees the fight, and high-tails it.
Batman finishes up the mob.
Falcone finds the driver unconscious.
Batman drags Falcone through the car's moonroof.

~JTS

[borgmatrix]

Originally posted by James T. Skywalker@Dec 12 2005, 08:39 AM
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That makes sense. I had thought Falcone left the car after Batman jumped his guys.

[James T. Skywalker]

It goes kinda quick. He says "wait here" to his driver, then we see Batman jump into the fray against his thugs. So while it would seem like it would be instantaneous, there may have been a few moments we don't see where Batman tranqs his driver, uses his jumpline to hop over a few cargo containers, and ambushes the thugs before Falcone has the time to get to them.

~JTS

[borgmatrix]

Originally posted by James T. Skywalker@Dec 12 2005, 09:25 PM
It goes kinda quick. He says "wait here" to his driver, then we see Batman jump into the fray against his thugs. So while it would seem like it would be instantaneous, there may have been a few moments we don't see where Batman tranqs his driver, uses his jumpline to hop over a few cargo containers, and ambushes the thugs before Falcone has the time to get to them.
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I watched that part again and yeah, I see it now. I don't like the way that's edited, though. You're right that a few moments had to have passed, but as filmed it does look instantaneous. Oh, well. That's minor.

[P-Ray]

Batman Begins 2
Timing Is Everything The latest rumors: Philip Seymour Hoffman as the Penguin and Sam Rockwell as the Joker. They would both be perfect, but if they're gonna get Hoffman, they'd better get him signed before the Oscar noms are announced.

source: movies.com

[Virus]

Originally posted by P-Ray@Dec 14 2005, 09:57 PM
Batman Begins 2
Timing Is Everything The latest rumors: Philip Seymour Hoffman as the Penguin and Sam Rockwell as the Joker. They would both be perfect, but if they're gonna get Hoffman, they'd better get him signed before the Oscar noms are announced.

source: movies.com
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Not true. Jack Nicholson was a huge actor with Oscars under his belt when Batman 1989 came out. Makes you think about the reputation of these movies today.....hmmm

[Justin]

I hated when Batman said "I'm Batman" in this. That scene was so awesome in the first Batman movie and it really left an impression of that film, so I think it was a mistake to repeat it in this one because it made it just seem trite.

[P-Ray]

Originally posted by Justin@Dec 15 2005, 02:25 AM
I hated when Batman said "I'm Batman" in this. That scene was so awesome in the first Batman movie and it really left an impression of that film, so I think it was a mistake to repeat it in this one because it made it just seem trite.
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But this is a new start and his identity for the characters had to be established.

It was pertinent because it assisted in placing fear into the villians.

[Mark Skywalker]

Originally posted by Justin@Dec 14 2005, 11:25 PM
I hated when Batman said "I'm Batman" in this. That scene was so awesome in the first Batman movie and it really left an impression of that film, so I think it was a mistake to repeat it in this one because it made it just seem trite.
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I loved BEGINS "I'm BATMAN"!!! ten times better than BATS 89.

[Justin]

Originally posted by P-Ray+Dec 15 2005, 10:27 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(P-Ray @ Dec 15 2005, 10:27 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-Justin@Dec 15 2005, 02:25 AM
I hated when Batman said "I'm Batman" in this.* That scene was so awesome in the first Batman movie and it really left an impression of that film, so I think it was a mistake to repeat it in this one because it made it just seem trite.
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But this is a new start and his identity for the characters had to be established.

It was pertinent because it assisted in placing fear into the villians.
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Yeah but it was clearly meant to harken back to that moment from the original film. It was a little too much in my opinion.

[Mark Skywalker]

IGN.com declares Batman Begins is the best movie of the year 2005 !

http://bestof.ign.com/2005/movies/20.html

Congratulations To BATMAN BEGINS!!!! Byfar BEGINS is The Best movie of 2005 . It also got an award for The BEST SUPERHERO Movie too.

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[borgmatrix]

Originally posted by Justin@Dec 16 2005, 08:40 AM
Yeah but it was clearly meant to harken back to that moment from the original film. It was a little too much in my opinion.
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I think they were just paying homage, Justin. Nothing more than that.

[P-Ray]

Originally posted by borgmatrix+Dec 22 2005, 06:58 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(borgmatrix @ Dec 22 2005, 06:58 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-Justin@Dec 16 2005, 08:40 AM
Yeah but it was clearly meant to harken back to that moment from the original film.* It was a little too much in my opinion.
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I think they were just paying homage, Justin. Nothing more than that.
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I tend to agree!

[P-Ray]

Originally posted by Mark Skywalker@Dec 22 2005, 03:44 PM
IGN.com declares Batman Begins is the best movie of the year 2005 !

http://bestof.ign.com/2005/movies/20.html

Congratulations To BATMAN BEGINS!!!! Byfar BEGINS is The Best movie of 2005 . It also got an award for The BEST SUPERHERO Movie too.

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It deserves it! Now one of my favorite movies!

[Justin]

Originally posted by borgmatrix+Dec 22 2005, 07:58 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(borgmatrix @ Dec 22 2005, 07:58 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-Justin@Dec 16 2005, 08:40 AM
Yeah but it was clearly meant to harken back to that moment from the original film.* It was a little too much in my opinion.
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I think they were just paying homage, Justin. Nothing more than that.
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Oh definitely. That is what I was saying. And I thought it was irritating.

[P-Ray]

Batman Begins and Batman Begins 2
Rebooting a Franchise As soon as Begins ended, casting rumors for the follow-up began. That's what happens when you make a kickass prequel. At the end of the year, Philip Seymour Hoffman stood as the frontrunner to play the Penguin. The Joker is still up in the air, but I'm pulling for Sam Rockwell over Sean Penn. Because the Joker should have, well, a sense of a humor, ya know?

source: movies.com

[RollaFett]

I like Rockwell, but I'm having trouble seeing him as the Joker. As for Hoffman, well, I can see that, but I hope they don't clutter things with too many villians. , for one, believe that if you have the Joker as a villian, he should stand alone.

[Justin]

I do too, but I don't see why they can't include the Penguin as he appears in current comic book continuity. He's basically a mob boss without a lot of flair, so unless they have some ridiculous team-up situation and he only appears in a limited peripheral capacity, then it should work fine.

But they shouldn't take the focus away from Batman and The Joker.

[P-Ray]

Harvey Dent casting rumor!



http://movies.go.com/tipster?id=752023

[Justin]

He would be perfect, but I doubt he would do it after playing a bad guy in Hulk. But he would be great, hopefully he is it.

[James T. Skywalker]

Originally posted by Justin@Jan 5 2006, 12:01 AM
He would be perfect, but I doubt he would do it after playing a bad guy in Hulk. But he would be great, hopefully he is it.
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Agreed. I've always liked Josh Lucas as an actor; it's unfortunate some of the roles he's had to play (especially in stuff like Stealth... ick), but he's got some chops, and he'd be a very interesting Harvey Dent, especially when coupled with other talented guys like Christian Bale and Gary Oldman, who would be the two guys he'd interact with most as DA Dent.

~JTS

[RollaFett]

While I wouldn't mind seeing Lucas as Dent, I must say that seeing Liev Schreiber's name really peeked my interest.

[borgmatrix]

Originally posted by GollaFett@Jan 6 2006, 05:34 PM
While I wouldn't mind seeing Lucas as Dent, I must say that seeing Liev Schreiber's name really peeked my interest.
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Piqued, you mean. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

I'd much prefer Lucas. I can't really see Liev as Harvey/Two-Face. He's a fine actor, but I'd be disappointed if he was cast.

[RollaFett]

Heh, heh...yeah, I suppose I do mean, "piqued". Thanks for the correction.

Y'know, the more I think about Shreiber, the more I'm not crazy about it either. If you put Bale and Shreiber next to each other, while they're not twins, there is a certain similarity, appearance-wise.

[Justin]

Originally posted by borgmatrix+Jan 6 2006, 08:19 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(borgmatrix @ Jan 6 2006, 08:19 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-GollaFett@Jan 6 2006, 05:34 PM
While I wouldn't mind seeing Lucas as Dent, I must say that seeing Liev Schreiber's name really peeked my interest.
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Piqued, you mean. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

I'd much prefer Lucas. I can't really see Liev as Harvey/Two-Face. He's a fine actor, but I'd be disappointed if he was cast.
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So would I. I can't stand Liev Schrieber, and his whiny way of speaking would ruin it.

[Justin]

Originally posted by GollaFett@Jan 7 2006, 02:18 AM
Heh, heh...yeah, I suppose I do mean, "piqued". Thanks for the correction.

Y'know, the more I think about Shreiber, the more I'm not crazy about it either. If you put Bale and Shreiber next to each other, while they're not twins, there is a certain similarity, appearance-wise.
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Actually to be honest I can't see that at all, beyond the hair color.

[Virus]

Originally posted by Justin+Jan 7 2006, 02:13 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Justin @ Jan 7 2006, 02:13 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'>Originally posted by borgmatrix@Jan 6 2006, 08:19 PM
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While I wouldn't mind seeing Lucas as Dent, I must say that seeing Liev Schreiber's name really peeked my interest.
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Piqued, you mean. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

I'd much prefer Lucas. I can't really see Liev as Harvey/Two-Face. He's a fine actor, but I'd be disappointed if he was cast.
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So would I. I can't stand Liev Schrieber, and his whiny way of speaking would ruin it.
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Whiny? Really? He has the exact same voice as Dustin Hoffman. I love listening to both of them

[P-Ray]

Batman Begins 2
Batman Begins Sucking? The original trilogy was ruined by cramming in too many villains. With the Joker (latest casting rumor: Adrien Brody) and Two-Face (Josh Lucas, perhaps) virtually a lock for this sequel and rumors of the Black Mask and mobster Salvatore Maroni joining the club, it looks as though history might repeat itself.


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[RollaFett]

I have a hard time thinking that there will be too many villians, and that's based solely on what I saw in Batman Begins. Chrisopher Nolen managed to tell a tale that was very heavy with Batman's origin, and still managed to have 4 bad guys in it in the end. Scarecrow, Rahl's Guhl, Carmine Falcone, and the crooked cop (I think his name was Echhart).
Now, I don't want to see the sequel have too many villians, especially if the Joker is the main baddie, but in the end, when I really think about it, I feel as though that Nolen can pull it off.

[P-Ray]

Originally posted by GollaFett@Jan 14 2006, 03:14 AM
I have a hard time thinking that there will be too many villians, and that's based solely on what I saw in Batman Begins. Chrisopher Nolen managed to tell a tale that was very heavy with Batman's origin, and still managed to have 4 bad guys in it in the end. Scarecrow, Rahl's Guhl, Carmine Falcone, and the crooked cop (I think his name was Echhart).
Now, I don't want to see the sequel have too many villians, especially if the Joker is the main baddie, but in the end, when I really think about it, I feel as though that Nolen can pull it off.
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The bad Cop is named Flass, BTW. Eckhart was the bad cop in the original with Michael Keaton.

I too think it could be pulled off if done right. Especially if only one is centered.

[James T. Skywalker]

Don't forget that he was also able to include Mr. Zsasz in there, too. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

~JTS

[Virus]

Originally posted by GollaFett@Jan 14 2006, 03:14 AM
I have a hard time thinking that there will be too many villians, and that's based solely on what I saw in Batman Begins. Chrisopher Nolen managed to tell a tale that was very heavy with Batman's origin, and still managed to have 4 bad guys in it in the end. Scarecrow, Rahl's Guhl, Carmine Falcone, and the crooked cop (I think his name was Echhart).
Now, I don't want to see the sequel have too many villians, especially if the Joker is the main baddie, but in the end, when I really think about it, I feel as though that Nolen can pull it off.
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Did Nolen commit to directing a sequel for this?

I can see them doing the same mistake as the other series by putting in too many villians. I shows there's a lack of an in-depth script. I like it when they have villian.

[James T. Skywalker]

Originally posted by Virus@Jan 15 2006, 06:10 PM
Did Nolen commit to directing a sequel for this?


Officially, he has not signed an offer to direct another installment, nor has David Goyer signed on as writer. Unofficially, it's reported that they already have a script and that it is scheduled on Warner Brothers' production calendar.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>I can see them doing the same mistake as the other series by putting in too many villians. I shows there's a lack of an in-depth script. I like it when they have villian.
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I like it when they have villain, too. They had villain in the most recent one. In fact, they had several. All totaled, there were five (count 'em five) high profile "villains" from the comics on display in Batman Begins. Commissioner Loeb, in the comics, was a scumbag. Flass was a dirty cop bad guy, same as in this film. Mr. Zsasz, who only showed up briefly here, was present and is even more psycho in the comics. And then there's the Scarecrow and Ra's al Ghul.

That's more villains than the other films, really.

Batman: Eckhart, Grissom, Joker (only one of which was a villain in the comics)
Batman Returns: Max Schreck, The Penguin, Catwoman
Batman Forever: Boss Moroni, Two-Face, Riddler
Batman & Robin: Mr. Freeze, Poison Ivy, Bane

Each of those films had three villains, and only the last two had all three central to Batman comic stories (Moroni was the guy who turned Harvey Dent into Two-Face, and was also partially responsible for the murder of Dick Grayson's parents).

Obviously those villains are more high profile than some of the guys in Begins, but Zsasz, Scarecrow and Ra's are major, major villains in Batman's rogues gallery.

I'd expect at least three villains in the next film, and two others to be subtlely introduced. Nolan was very good about keeping the villains from crowding the story in his first time out of the box here.

~JTS

[P-Ray]

Originally posted by James T. Skywalker@Jan 16 2006, 02:32 AM
I like it when they have villain, too. They had villain in the most recent one. In fact, they had several. All totaled, there were five (count 'em five) high profile "villains" from the comics on display in Batman Begins. Commissioner Loeb, in the comics, was a scumbag. Flass was a dirty cop bad guy, same as in this film. Mr. Zsasz, who only showed up briefly here, was present and is even more psycho in the comics. And then there's the Scarecrow and Ra's al Ghul.

That's more villains than the other films, really.

Batman: Eckhart, Grissom, Joker (only one of which was a villain in the comics)
Batman Returns: Max Schreck, The Penguin, Catwoman
Batman Forever: Boss Moroni, Two-Face, Riddler
Batman & Robin: Mr. Freeze, Poison Ivy, Bane

Each of those films had three villains, and only the last two had all three central to Batman comic stories (Moroni was the guy who turned Harvey Dent into Two-Face, and was also partially responsible for the murder of Dick Grayson's parents).

Obviously those villains are more high profile than some of the guys in Begins, but Zsasz, Scarecrow and Ra's are major, major villains in Batman's rogues gallery.
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Good point!
Originally posted by James T. Skywalker@Jan 16 2006, 02:32 AM
I'd expect at least three villains in the next film, and two others to be subtlely introduced. Nolan was very good about keeping the villains from crowding the story in his first time out of the box here.

~JTS
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Very true!

[Virus]

Originally posted by James T. Skywalker+Jan 16 2006, 02:32 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(James T. Skywalker @ Jan 16 2006, 02:32 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-Virus@Jan 15 2006, 06:10 PM
Did Nolen commit to directing a sequel for this?


Officially, he has not signed an offer to direct another installment, nor has David Goyer signed on as writer. Unofficially, it's reported that they already have a script and that it is scheduled on Warner Brothers' production calendar.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>I can see them doing the same mistake as the other series by putting in too many villians. I shows there's a lack of an in-depth script. I like it when they have villian.
[/b][/quote]

I like it when they have villain, too. They had villain in the most recent one. In fact, they had several. All totaled, there were five (count 'em five) high profile "villains" from the comics on display in Batman Begins. Commissioner Loeb, in the comics, was a scumbag. Flass was a dirty cop bad guy, same as in this film. Mr. Zsasz, who only showed up briefly here, was present and is even more psycho in the comics. And then there's the Scarecrow and Ra's al Ghul.

That's more villains than the other films, really.

Batman: Eckhart, Grissom, Joker (only one of which was a villain in the comics)
Batman Returns: Max Schreck, The Penguin, Catwoman
Batman Forever: Boss Moroni, Two-Face, Riddler
Batman & Robin: Mr. Freeze, Poison Ivy, Bane

Each of those films had three villains, and only the last two had all three central to Batman comic stories (Moroni was the guy who turned Harvey Dent into Two-Face, and was also partially responsible for the murder of Dick Grayson's parents).

Obviously those villains are more high profile than some of the guys in Begins, but Zsasz, Scarecrow and Ra's are major, major villains in Batman's rogues gallery.

I'd expect at least three villains in the next film, and two others to be subtlely introduced. Nolan was very good about keeping the villains from crowding the story in his first time out of the box here.

~JTS
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Ok, I meant to say one villian. Not just villian. How old are we again to be picking apart little things like this?

As for your breakdown of each Batman movie, its obvious that the first one in 1989 didn't have 3 villians. Sure there were other "bad" people but they are not villians. Heck, you might as well count every goon that worked for the Joker as well. Right? Batman 1989 has 1 villian and Batman Returns basically had 2 and Batman Forever had 2 and Batman vs Robin had....too many.

This new movie should stick to just one villian. ONE. Happy

[P-Ray]

Originally posted by Virus+Jan 16 2006, 07:57 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Virus @ Jan 16 2006, 07:57 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'>Originally posted by James T. Skywalker@Jan 16 2006, 02:32 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Virus@Jan 15 2006, 06:10 PM
Did Nolen commit to directing a sequel for this?


Officially, he has not signed an offer to direct another installment, nor has David Goyer signed on as writer. Unofficially, it's reported that they already have a script and that it is scheduled on Warner Brothers' production calendar.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>I can see them doing the same mistake as the other series by putting in too many villians.* I shows there's a lack of an in-depth script.* I like it when they have villian.


I like it when they have villain, too. They had villain in the most recent one. In fact, they had several. All totaled, there were five (count 'em five) high profile "villains" from the comics on display in Batman Begins. Commissioner Loeb, in the comics, was a scumbag. Flass was a dirty cop bad guy, same as in this film. Mr. Zsasz, who only showed up briefly here, was present and is even more psycho in the comics. And then there's the Scarecrow and Ra's al Ghul.

That's more villains than the other films, really.

Batman: Eckhart, Grissom, Joker (only one of which was a villain in the comics)
Batman Returns: Max Schreck, The Penguin, Catwoman
Batman Forever: Boss Moroni, Two-Face, Riddler
Batman & Robin: Mr. Freeze, Poison Ivy, Bane

Each of those films had three villains, and only the last two had all three central to Batman comic stories (Moroni was the guy who turned Harvey Dent into Two-Face, and was also partially responsible for the murder of Dick Grayson's parents).

Obviously those villains are more high profile than some of the guys in Begins, but Zsasz, Scarecrow and Ra's are major, major villains in Batman's rogues gallery.

I'd expect at least three villains in the next film, and two others to be subtlely introduced. Nolan was very good about keeping the villains from crowding the story in his first time out of the box here.

~JTS
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Ok, I meant to say one villian. Not just villian. How old are we again to be picking apart little things like this?

As for your breakdown of each Batman movie, its obvious that the first one in 1989 didn't have 3 villians. Sure there were other "bad" people but they are not villians. Heck, you might as well count every goon that worked for the Joker as well. Right? Batman 1989 has 1 villian and Batman Returns basically had 2 and Batman Forever had 2 and Batman vs Robin had....too many.

This new movie should stick to just one villian. ONE. Happy
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[/b][/quote]
Dude! lighten up! I believe he was just messin' with ya!

[Justin]

Well it seems to me that any "villains" other than the Joker will just be sort of peripheral characters, or won't actually be "villains" in teh sense that they team up and scheme like they did in the other Batman movies.

And according to Goyer, Harvey Dent (the DA who becomes Two-Face) would actually be a good guy but then become Two-Face in the third movie. That sounds good, because I like seeing Harvey as a good guy and it will make the dynamic between him and Bruce have more depth.

Also Virus, I don't think having multiple characters necessarily means a worse script. In fact, they can make a film richer. The trick is balancing the characters according to their function in the story so that the main guys aren't overshadowed.

Look at how many characters are in the Star Wars movies. The number of characters don't hurt the story of those films.

[P-Ray]

Originally posted by Justin@Jan 17 2006, 01:44 AM
Well it seems to me that any "villains" other than the Joker will just be sort of peripheral characters, or won't actually be "villains" in teh sense that they team up and scheme like they did in the other Batman movies.

And according to Goyer, Harvey Dent (the DA who becomes Two-Face) would actually be a good guy but then become Two-Face in the third movie. That sounds good, because I like seeing Harvey as a good guy and it will make the dynamic between him and Bruce have more depth.

Also Virus, I don't think having multiple characters necessarily means a worse script. In fact, they can make a film richer. The trick is balancing the characters according to their function in the story so that the main guys aren't overshadowed.

Look at how many characters are in the Star Wars movies. The number of characters don't hurt the story of those films.
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Agreed!

[P-Ray]

Rachel Weisz up for role in BB 2!



http://www.moviespoilers.net/batman2.html

[Virus]

Originally posted by Justin@Jan 17 2006, 01:44 AM
Also Virus, I don't think having multiple characters necessarily means a worse script. In fact, they can make a film richer. The trick is balancing the characters according to their function in the story so that the main guys aren't overshadowed.

Look at how many characters are in the Star Wars movies. The number of characters don't hurt the story of those films.
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I'm just saying that usually when a film has numerous characters, its due to a weak script. There have been hundreds of great films with plenty of characters. Look at how many movies get multiple nods at the Oscars for acting. However, usually a movie with a low amount of characters has more character development and tends to be a better film. Bring on just one villian

[Mark Skywalker]

Originally posted by P-Ray@Jan 17 2006, 09:57 AM
Rachel Weisz up for role in BB 2!



http://www.moviespoilers.net/batman2.html
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Rachel Weisz is rumoured to be up for the role of Ra's Al Ghul's daughter Talia. She wants revenge against Batman for the death of her father.
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Interesting very , Interesting .

[RollaFett]

Hmmm...ineteresting.
I like the idea of Paul Bettany as the Joker.

[James T. Skywalker]

Originally posted by GollaFett@Jan 18 2006, 11:29 AM
Hmmm...ineteresting.
I like the idea of Paul Bettany as the Joker.
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There are a lot of interesting candidates for the Joker.

My idea: cast them all, and film them all in the same scenes. Then we can choose which one we, as fans, prefer. That way there won't be any of that senseless fanboy *****ing. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/bop.gif

~JTS

[P-Ray]

Batman Begins 2
Please, Please, Please Let This Be for Real Rachel Weisz might play conflicted Batman love interest and villainess Talia al Ghul. Even better: The Johnny Depp–as–the–Joker rumors are back! I want this to happen even more than the long-talked-about Keith Richards Pirates 2 cameo.

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[Mark Skywalker]

Originally posted by P-Ray@Jan 18 2006, 08:05 PM
Batman Begins 2
Please, Please, Please Let This Be for Real Rachel Weisz might play conflicted Batman love interest and villainess Talia al Ghul. Even better: The Johnny Depp–as–the–Joker rumors are back! I want this to happen even more than the long-talked-about Keith Richards Pirates 2 cameo.

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Depp as The Joker style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/w00t.gif He would be prefect.

[P-Ray]

Originally posted by Mark Skywalker+Jan 19 2006, 02:21 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mark Skywalker @ Jan 19 2006, 02:21 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-P-Ray@Jan 18 2006, 08:05 PM
Batman Begins 2
Please, Please, Please Let This Be for Real Rachel Weisz might play conflicted Batman love interest and villainess Talia al Ghul. Even better: The Johnny Depp–as–the–Joker rumors are back! I want this to happen even more than the long-talked-about Keith Richards Pirates 2 cameo.

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Depp as The Joker style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/w00t.gif He would be prefect.
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I have to agree!

[borgmatrix]

Originally posted by P-Ray@Jan 19 2006, 04:05 AM
Batman Begins 2
Please, Please, Please Let This Be for Real Rachel Weisz might play conflicted Batman love interest and villainess Talia al Ghul. Even better: The Johnny Depp–as–the–Joker rumors are back! I want this to happen even more than the long-talked-about Keith Richards Pirates 2 cameo.

movies.com
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Depp would be great in just about anything, so I definitely wouldn't mind that. But I'm especially hoping we do see Rachel Weisz. I was disappointed we didn't see Talia in "Begins" and I'm quickly becoming a huge fan of Weisz, so this would be great if true.

[Mark Skywalker]

Originally posted by borgmatrix+Jan 19 2006, 01:54 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(borgmatrix @ Jan 19 2006, 01:54 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-P-Ray@Jan 19 2006, 04:05 AM
Batman Begins 2
Please, Please, Please Let This Be for Real Rachel Weisz might play conflicted Batman love interest and villainess Talia al Ghul. Even better: The Johnny Depp–as–the–Joker rumors are back! I want this to happen even more than the long-talked-about Keith Richards Pirates 2 cameo.

movies.com
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Depp would be great in just about anything, so I definitely wouldn't mind that. But I'm especially hoping we do see Rachel Weisz. I was disappointed we didn't see Talia in "Begins" and I'm quickly becoming a huge fan of Weisz, so this would be great if true.
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I agree 100 %

[Virus]

Originally posted by Mark Skywalker+Jan 19 2006, 02:21 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mark Skywalker @ Jan 19 2006, 02:21 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-P-Ray@Jan 18 2006, 08:05 PM
Batman Begins 2
Please, Please, Please Let This Be for Real Rachel Weisz might play conflicted Batman love interest and villainess Talia al Ghul. Even better: The Johnny Depp–as–the–Joker rumors are back! I want this to happen even more than the long-talked-about Keith Richards Pirates 2 cameo.

movies.com
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Depp as The Joker style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/w00t.gif He would be prefect.
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I don't see him doing a movie like this. Too mainstream and he's good friends with Burton so I don't see him doing that to his friend.

Jack will always be the best Joker in my book.

[James T. Skywalker]

Originally posted by Virus@Jan 19 2006, 09:35 PM
Jack will always be the best Joker in my book.


Mark Hamill is, by far, the best Joker. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

~JTS

[borgmatrix]

Originally posted by Virus@Jan 20 2006, 05:35 AM
I don't see him doing a movie like this. Too mainstream and he's good friends with Burton so I don't see him doing that to his friend.

I recall reading that Nolan wants a well-known, recognizable name. If true, being mainstream wouldn't be an issue at all, especially since that has no bearing on his talent, which is considerable.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Jack will always be the best Joker in my book.
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Jack was good, but from everything I've seen and read, I imagine the Joker as someone far more frightening and dangerous. I think there's potential here for a version of the Joker far beyond what we saw in "Batman."

Originally posted by James T. Skywalker@Jan 20 2006, 08:13 AM
Mark Hamill is, by far, the best Joker. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif
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I definitely agree with that. He completely captured the character, particularly in ROTJ, in which he took his performance to another level. The animated version sets a high standard for how the character should be portrayed.

[Justin]

Originally posted by Virus@Jan 20 2006, 01:35 AM
I don't see him doing a movie like this. Too mainstream and he's good friends with Burton so I don't see him doing that to his friend.

Jack will always be the best Joker in my book.
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More mainstream than, say, Charlie and the Chocolate Factory or the Pirates of the Carribean trilogy?

BTW, how would appearing as the Joker be a slight to Tim Burton?

[Virus]

Originally posted by Justin+Jan 21 2006, 02:02 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Justin @ Jan 21 2006, 02:02 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-Virus@Jan 20 2006, 01:35 AM
I don't see him doing a movie like this. Too mainstream and he's good friends with Burton so I don't see him doing that to his friend.

Jack will always be the best Joker in my book.
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More mainstream than, say, Charlie and the Chocolate Factory or the Pirates of the Carribean trilogy?

BTW, how would appearing as the Joker be a slight to Tim Burton?
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Pirates was an odd one for Depp and I think it was just a big paycheck for him. As for Charlies and the Chocolate Factory, he wanted to do it cause of Burton.

Because Burton has his own vision of the Joker in his 1989 movie. Depp doing his own version would be a slap in the fact. hmmmm, kinda like how Depps version of Wonka was a slap in the fact to Wilder

[RollaFett]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Pirates was an odd one for Depp and I think it was just a big paycheck for him. As for Charlies and the Chocolate Factory, he wanted to do it cause of Burton.[/b][/quote]

Hmmm...that's why he's doing not just one, but two sequels for 'Pirates', eh? I'm sure he was contractually obligated to do so, but let's not assume he's beyond a big paycheck.
As far as your Burton point goes, though, I sort of agree. Depp might not want to have a hand in discounting Burton's Batman films.

[borgmatrix]

Originally posted by Virus@Jan 22 2006, 06:47 PM
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Nope. Depp's always liked challenging roles, ones which allow him to do something different and take chances. That's the big reason he wasn't that well known (as far as being "mainstream") before "Pirates". He wasn't going to take roles just to go through the motions and studios didn't want to take a chance on him since he'd do something unusual that might not go over well with audiences.

With "Pirates", Depp's interests/desires intersected with what the filmmakes/writers wanted. When they approached him about the part, Depp said "this is how I'm going to play it and if you have a problem with that, you'd better find someone else." He expected that, as was typical, they wouldn't want to take a chance on him. Surprisingly, they had him in mind of the part all along and had no problems with his unusual take on the character. So, finally, he ended up in a more mainstream movie that gave most of the world a glimpse at his incredible talent. And because of his success with "Pirates" and the way the audiences accepted it, he's become a lot more visible and is finally getting the recognition he's deserved for years.

[P-Ray]

Sequel talk from stars!
http://www.superherohype.com/news.php?id=3825

[RollaFett]

As I said before, I can really get used to the idea of Bettany as the Joker. As for Gyllenhall, well, perhaps. he does seem as though he might be a tad young-looking, though.

[Lord LeHack]

I hate Bettany, Ok he will be good in the Da vinci code but thats because they need a guy who looks like he has lukemia for that.

THe Joker needs to be much cooler. and not a ****.

[Filoviridae]

Originally posted by GollaFett@Feb 7 2006, 12:34 PM
As I said before, I can really get used to the idea of Bettany as the Joker. As for Gyllenhall, well, perhaps. he does seem as though he might be a tad young-looking, though.
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style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/barf.gif If they're going to cast Gyllenhall then why not just get Afleck and Hartnett too?

[P-Ray]

Casting rumors!

http://www.moviespoilers.net/batman2.html

[James T. Skywalker]

That all seems like a lot of fanboy speculation. I mean, look at the cast of characters: The Joker, Harvey Dent, Talia al Ghul, Harleen Quinzel, Dr. Amadeus Arkham, the Black Mask--that's a MASSIVE change from what we saw in the previous film, where it was contained to three "major" villains who all played specific roles.

I dunno, that rumor just strikes me as fanboy wishes and comic book dreams.

~JTS

[P-Ray]

Originally posted by James T. Skywalker@Feb 14 2006, 12:14 PM
That all seems like a lot of fanboy speculation. I mean, look at the cast of characters: The Joker, Harvey Dent, Talia al Ghul, Harleen Quinzel, Dr. Amadeus Arkham, the Black Mask--that's a MASSIVE change from what we saw in the previous film, where it was contained to three "major" villains who all played specific roles.

I dunno, that rumor just strikes me as fanboy wishes and comic book dreams.

~JTS
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You may be right! That would be an awful lot of characters to try and fit in. I don't mind that especially if characters are just introduced in order to be used more in a follow up.


I thought that I would post it anyhow.

[RollaFett]

Before "Batman Begins" came out, I was extremely worried that it would be over-populated with signifigant characters, and it definately was not. I refuse to jump to conclusions about the sequel.

[P-Ray]

Originally posted by GollaFett@Feb 18 2006, 02:10 AM
Before "Batman Begins" came out, I was extremely worried that it would be over-populated with signifigant characters, and it definately was not. I refuse to jump to conclusions about the sequel.
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Agreed!

And I'm looking forward to it!

It bugs me, because people are already doing that with X3 too!

[Mark Skywalker]

Most of these Rumors sound like Fanboy Rumor, So until I hear Official words from Nolan , Goyer about who's in BB 2. I won't take these Rumors seriously .

[P-Ray]

Originally posted by Mark Skywalker@Feb 18 2006, 09:46 PM
Most of these Rumors sound like Fanboy Rumor, So until I hear Official words from Nolan , Goyer about who's in BB 2. I won't take these Rumors seriously .
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Good point!

[Mark Skywalker]

Originally posted by P-Ray@Feb 18 2006, 07:00 PM

Good point!
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Thanks .

[RollaFett]

Besides, isn't Nolan committed to making an entirely diffrent film before BB2?

[P-Ray]

Batman Begins 2
Batman Reloaded Now that the Bond stuff is out of the way, we can go back to obsessing about a much worthier franchise. The latest word has Hugo Weaving playing the Joker and Hugh Jackman as Harvey Dent. I'm not sold on Jackman in anything that doesn't involve mutants, but Weaving is the only actor named so far who could hold a candle to Nicholson.

movies.com

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Originally posted by GollaFett@Feb 23 2006, 03:10 AM
Besides, isn't Nolan committed to making an entirely diffrent film before BB2?
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http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=13315

[Mark Skywalker]

Originally posted by P-Ray@Feb 23 2006, 07:50 AM
Batman Begins 2
Batman Reloaded Now that the Bond stuff is out of the way, we can go back to obsessing about a much worthier franchise. The latest word has Hugo Weaving playing the Joker and Hugh Jackman as Harvey Dent. I'm not sold on Jackman in anything that doesn't involve mutants, but Weaving is the only actor named so far who could hold a candle to Nicholson.

movies.com
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:bop: ;) :rolleyes: I don't believe a word of any of this .

[RollaFett]

Yeah, the casting rumors are getting tiring. Just get that over with, please!

[P-Ray]

From AICN.com:


Scooper-at-small "Shan" passed on a scoop from Batman-On-Film, claiming that Hugo Weaving and Hugh Jackman are up for the Joker and Harvey Dent, respectively. This fits in with what I've been hearing, which is that BATMAN BE2INS will feature every character ever, and that Warners is currently in contact with every living actor. Unfortunately for LA CONFIDENTIAL fans who like it when Australians invade Hollywood films, Clint over at Moviehole is fairly sure these rumours are bogus. Still, if it comes to pass, you heard here twelfth.

If true, I think Hugo Weaving would be a great Joker!

[P-Ray]

Batman Begins priority fo 2008!

http://www.superherohype.com/news.php?id=3993

[empire21]

Damn, thats such a long time from now

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Originally posted by empire21@Mar 17 2006, 07:32 AM
Damn, thats such a long time from now
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I know...I'm ready for it now!

[Justin]

Originally posted by P-Ray@Mar 5 2006, 09:40 AM
I think Hugo Weaving would be a great Joker!
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He can't be the Joker because he has to be Sinestro in a Green Lantern movie.

[exarkun]

I have seen the movie, but the plot seen to be a bit mixed up.(at least for me) They keep getting flashback, and in a moments time, came back to reality. Haha , I have to really keep my eyes wide to follow up closely on whatever happen next, it is a wonder I didn't fall asleep halfway through the show.

[borgmatrix]

Originally posted by exarkun@Mar 18 2006, 08:48 AM
I have seen the movie, but the plot seen to be a bit mixed up.(at least for me) They keep getting flashback, and in a moments time, came back to reality. Haha , I have to really keep my eyes wide to follow up closely on whatever happen next, it is a wonder I didn't fall asleep halfway through the show.
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I really admire what Nolan did in the first half of the movie. The flashbacks within flashbacks were pulled off so smoothly and were beautiful to watch. I didn't experience any confusion, and the material and scenes moved quickly. The editing was pretty tight, so there wasn't much (if anything) that came across as extraneous.

But given that no time was wasted, I can understand getting confused if you missed even one line. But the story as a whole comes across very well, such that even if you're confused about some