MOVIES: Batman [Archive] - Page 11

Mark Skywalker

05-03-2008, 08:33 AM

The New image of Harvey Dent is straight out of the pages of Batman: The Long Halloween

MOVIE SNEAKS | SUMMER 2008
Aaron Eckhart: Not just another pretty face in 'The Dark Knight' (http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/la-ca-echkart-2008may04,0,932553.story)

PLAYING A VILLAIN: Eckhart says director Christopher Nolan “is going way farther than people think” with Two-Face.

His appearance as Two-Face has been overshadowed. That should end once the movie's out.

By Geoff Boucher, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
May 4, 2008

THE trailers for "The Dark Knight" have shown quite a bit of Heath Ledger's scabbier, surlier reinvention of the Joker (think of Malcolm McDowell's thug from "A Clockwork Orange" but with kelp-colored hair, scars and a hyena laugh), but the producers have been keeping the film's other Batman bad guy, Two-Face, under wraps. ¶ "That's right, people don't really know yet," actor Aaron Eckhart said with grin. "I can tell you that, basically, when you look at Two-Face, you should get sick to your stomach. Being the guy under all that, well, that was a lot of fun for me. It's like you would feel if you met someone whose face had pretty much been ripped off or burned off with acid. I can't talk about it beyond that because I don't want to give away too much of the plans by Chris." ¶ Chris is Christopher Nolan, the director of "Batman Begins," the acclaimed 2005 franchise reboot, and of "The Dark Knight," the sequel that hits theaters July 18 with a tale that looks far darker and more psychological than the other, sunnier superhero fare this summer. The darkness goes beyond the screen as well; 28-year-old Ledger died in January in New York after an accidental overdose of sleeping pills.

The death of Ledger and the word of his incendiary performance in this film have made him the natural focus of early media coverage of "The Dark Knight." But Nolan told The Times this year that the foundation of the film is the tale and transformation of Eckhart's character, Harvey Dent, from a crusading Gotham City prosecutor to Harvey Two-Face, a maniac whose face is ravaged on one side by a horrible injury.

On the campy 1960s "Batman" television series, the writers imported pretty much every major villain from the namesake comic book -- the Joker, the Riddler, the Penguin and Catwoman, etc. -- but not Two-Face. He was simply too gross. In the comic books, the wounds come from a splash of acid thrown at the attorney by a gangster on the witness stand, but there are hints that in this film it might be the Joker who is responsible for the scars.

Eckhart won't discuss that, but he did say that the wounds are structurally deeper than in the comics: "There are fans on the Internet who have done artist's versions of what they think it will look like, and I can tell you this: They're thinking small; Chris is going way farther than people think."

There were plenty of name actors lined up hoping to get the role of Two-Face, but in the end Nolan went with Eckhart because of his "complexity and this aura he has of a good man pushed too far," Nolan said. Two-Face in the film is more of a vigilante hunting down the Joker than he is a criminal, as he has most often been portrayed in the comics. His trademark is flipping a two-headed coin, one side defaced, the other pristine, and letting its landing determine his actions, often in situations where he has a gun to someone's head.

"The difference between Batman and Two-Face is how far they are willing to go and how they make their point," Eckhart said. "Otherwise, we're talking about vigilante crime-fighting. That's what Batman is all about. He has a strong sense of justice. And Harvey Dent has an extremely strong sense of justice. His fiancée is killed. He's horribly injured. But he is still true to himself. He's a crime fighter, he's not killing good people. He's not a bad guy, not purely."

The 40-year-old, square-jawed Eckhart has a history of playing authority figures pulled away from the bright path. He was a cop on a path to destruction in "The Black Dahlia," the slick tobacco lobbyist in "Thank You for Smoking," the junior executive looking to punish women in Neil LaBute's "In the Company of Men," all of them roles in which bad deeds are simple to see but bad men are hard to recognize.

"You look at a good guy too long and it's not that exciting, it's the Boy Scout always doing the right thing," Eckhart said. "I'm interested in good guys gone wrong. They're not the bad guy, they're the good guy doing bad things."

He joins a franchise with a deep roster of serious actors onboard: "The Dark Knight" has career-surging Christian Bale back in the cape and Gary Oldman as Gotham's only honest cop, Jim Gordon, as well as Oscar winners Michael Caine and Morgan Freeman. Maggie Gyllenhaal steps in for Katie Holmes as prosecutor Rachel Dawes, the romantic interest of Bruce Wayne.

"My guy identifies with everybody in the movie," Eckhart said. "Really, all of it is more than an adventure tale, it's somewhat of a mirror of our times. It deals with some fundamental questions of what's going on in society. To me, this film is about how Batman feels about justice, how he takes care of the city, how he feels about the Joker when he meets him and sees what he is capable of doing. How he feels when Harvey Two-Face takes matters into his own hands. It's not simple, and it gets ugly. I think people will be surprised."

LATimes (http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/movies/la-ca-echkart-2008may04,0,3210342.story)

Doze

05-03-2008, 09:03 AM

Nice find... but it is dated for 'May 4, 2008'... so I can't read it until tomorrow. :laughing:

Raganork8

05-03-2008, 09:18 AM

Thanks Mark.

Mark Skywalker

05-03-2008, 10:30 PM

Check this out
First up, I've been told that the blurry toy picture that we all saw a while back, is way off. Dent's eye won't be red, and his skin won't be purple. His face isn't just scarred, the acid has eaten away it his face, and it is pretty grotesque. I'm told it has a "very organic decay", almost like THE MUMMY. The flesh around the mouth is gone, and it allegedly "matches pretty well with how he looks in The Long Halloween". If you read the comic, you know that means the bad-ass smirk. Totally money.

The best part of what I've been told though? That the reason we haven't seen him yet is that it is so hardcore that it can't really be softened up for publicity.

Of course, no confirmation on any of this yet, but I'll vouch for it. Many thanks to Buddy Magee for the tips.

joblo.com (http://joblo.com/two-face-information)

Raganork8

05-03-2008, 11:06 PM

Thats the best news I've read all day!

Mark Skywalker

05-04-2008, 10:25 AM

Here you Go for those who haven't seen it yet .

I present to you THE BRAND NEW DARK KNIGHT TRAILER .

http://www.whysoserious.com/happytrails/trailer.htm

Raganork8

05-04-2008, 10:52 AM

That was just as nice now as it was then..

what a great trailer.

P-Ray

05-04-2008, 12:34 PM

That was just as nice now as it was then..

what a great trailer.
I agree!

I actually liked it better this time for some reason!

Raganork8

05-04-2008, 12:45 PM

http://host.trivialbeing.org/galleries/tdk-may4-second-dark-knight-trailer-screenshots/joker-snapshot20080504111512.jpg

Can you spot whats wrong in this picture?

Mark Skywalker

05-04-2008, 01:23 PM

http://host.trivialbeing.org/galleries/tdk-may4-second-dark-knight-trailer-screenshots/joker-snapshot20080504111512.jpg

Can you spot whats wrong in this picture?

The Chicago sgin , Instead of Gotham .

Raganork8

05-04-2008, 02:11 PM

:laughing:

Indeed

Kapit

05-05-2008, 01:53 PM

By the way, Two-Face is in the trailer...

Raganork8

05-05-2008, 01:57 PM

Yes he is http://host.trivialbeing.org/galleries/tdk-may4-second-dark-knight-trailer-screenshots/two-face-harvey-dent-in-car-snapshot20080504112013.jpg

Kapit

05-05-2008, 02:02 PM

I wonder though,

could he just be burned at that point, and not yet "Two-Face." Like, maybe something else happens that sets him over the edge? Cause remember, all we've heard from rumors is that Two-Face appears right at the end, and that's it.

Raganork8

05-05-2008, 02:21 PM

that shot is taken right before he kills Maroni; Maroni is sitting next to him and Harvey has just shot the driver. The trailer seems to suggest a different method to getting Two-Face; but, I doubt they'll be two burning incidents. also( major spoiler coming) Eckhart said that Two Face would be hunting JOKER at some point; which would lead me to the assumption that Two-Face doesn't appear as near to the end as we thought

RollaFett

05-05-2008, 02:36 PM

Oh man, that was an awesome trailer! So good, in fact, I don't even know what to write about!
I absolutey loved seeing Harvey, seeing the acid, and a teeny glimpse of what he becomes! Awesome, awesome, awesome!!!

Raganork8

05-05-2008, 02:38 PM

Where is this Acid everyone keeps referring to?

Kapit

05-05-2008, 02:41 PM

Raganork8

05-05-2008, 02:45 PM

Well damn.

I'm sorry was that too much? >.<

RollaFett

05-05-2008, 02:46 PM

Where is this Acid everyone keeps referring to?

There's a quick scene of a bottle of something (I assume acid) that spills, and the next shot is of Dent facedown on a floor screaming, "NOOOO!!!", as I assume the acid is headed his way.

Raganork8

05-05-2008, 02:50 PM

http://host.trivialbeing.org/galleries/tdk-may4-second-dark-knight-trailer-screenshots/harvey-dent-acid-two-face-snapshot20080504111728.jpg

You mean this?

I think it's Gasoline or something; his face is on the ground and then yells "nooo" he was fine until something prompts him to scream and it doesn't look like whatever is on the ground is eating his face off cause he's yelling "Noo" at something.

apparently they tie Harvey down and fill the floor with gasoline and set it ablaze so it burns that side of Harvey's face. However even Eckhart says he's burned by Acid; HOWEVER it's Eric Roberts who kind of gives a clue that it's not acid . When asked if he throws Acid on Harvey's face he says "Let's say we stick close to the comic; because after that He comes after me looking for revenge" Kinda breezing by the question there...

RollaFett

05-05-2008, 02:53 PM

Yeah, that's what I'm talking about.

Dammit, I absolutely cannot wait until July 18th! This isn't fair!

Raganork8

05-05-2008, 02:55 PM

It seriously is taking far too long for this movie to come out.

But look at the hype it's generating without any real promotion aside from the online stuff.

It's going to do great and be great; Imagine the way we'll feel when they show T.V. spots!

RollaFett

05-05-2008, 03:09 PM

Raganork8

05-05-2008, 03:12 PM

I haven't really gotten involved in the online marketing stuff. Dunno why, exactly, but it just hasn't appealed to me for whatever reason. That said, you're right, this film really has the looks of being THE film of the summer.

that makes it greater; look how excited you are and you don't participate!

Imagine how I feel; running around 40th street in Manhattan with 300 other people counting random things

RollaFett

05-05-2008, 03:15 PM

Man, that must've been absolutely nuts!

Hmmm...I wonder if I'm gonna have to do a midnight screening for this. I've only ever done that for TPM and ROTS.

Raganork8

05-05-2008, 03:35 PM

I rarely do a midnight show.

but I've decided The Dark Knight is going to get it. I'm not unconvinced that the Viral Campaign won't offer that to us at some point.

Even If It doesn't though; I'll be there; I have dreams about this movie

borgmatrix

05-05-2008, 03:37 PM

Even If It doesn't though; I'll be there; I have dreams about this movie
:laughing: It's gonna be good. I think I want to watch BB, Gotham Knight, and TDK on consecutive (k)nights. :wink: That would be the ideal.

Yeah, its too far off.

And Rolla, you seen Iron Man yet? I'll be interested in seeing what you think and how you compare it to BB.

Raganork8

05-05-2008, 03:49 PM

And Rolla, you seen Iron Man yet? I'll be interested in seeing what you think and how you compare it to BB.

OHH Borgmatrix stop stealing my thoughts!!!

Yeah; July 17th is going to be a strange day for me; I knida wanna go to Six Flags; ride the Dark Knight coaster; come back Watch Batman Begins and Gotham Knight...*wait* and then see The Dark Knight at midnight; Hopefully I won't have a heart attack.

RollaFett

05-05-2008, 03:52 PM

:laughing: It's gonna be good. I think I want to watch BB, Gotham Knight, and TDK on consecutive (k)nights. :wink: That would be the ideal.

Yeah, its too far off.

And Rolla, you seen Iron Man yet? I'll be interested in seeing what you think and how you compare it to BB.

That's a great idea for viewing going into the premiere! I'm gonna steal that.

And no, I haven't caught Iron Man yet, and am dying to see it, dammit. Can't tonigh, though, due to already confirmed plans. Balls.

Raganork8

05-05-2008, 03:53 PM

Well hopefully this won't sway you; but, it's not even close to BB

RollaFett

05-05-2008, 03:55 PM

Okay, okay. Enough, the both of you! Stop throwing other films out there that may subconciously interfere with my viewing ahead of time, dammit! :P

Raganork8

05-05-2008, 04:00 PM

True; I did the est I could to watch Iron Man without thinking:

"Is this better than Batman Begins...? No"

I like to think that I was fair in my review of the movie.

Question is; Will Dark Knight be better than Batman Begins

*Cough yes Cough*

kopernikuz

05-05-2008, 04:04 PM

I really don't see the need to constantly compare the two films (IM & BB) anyway... they are drastically different in tone, style, and storytelling in both film and comic versions anyway. I think they both stand on their own merits. And I like them both for different reasons. When can we drop the "it's better or worse than BB" argument from the table?

Your final question there Rags is far more relevant a comparison in my book.

Raganork8

05-05-2008, 04:13 PM

I only mentioned it because I read a review comparing the two.

I think it's a friendly comparison; I would have loved to see a Marvel movie at that caliber; you are right they are two different tones.

I think it's fair to compare any comic book movie to any other comic book movie. And I think the comparison of Iron Man to Batman Begins is VERY fair considering their similarities.

I personally think Iron Man was supposed to be Marvel's answer to Batman; which has been getting an unnatural amount of attention for a comic book movie.

Who wouldn't want to make a movie like BB?

But I think maybe this discussion can be moved to Wolverine's movie since Hugh Jackman thinks that it's more on a BB level...

I'm just going by what i read in which one reviewer claimed Batman Begins was more fantasy than Iron Man.

borgmatrix

05-05-2008, 04:19 PM

I really don't see the need to constantly compare the two films (IM & BB) anyway...
Well, actually, the only reason I brought up IM vs BB was so I'd have a legit reason for asking Rolla about seeing IM in a Batman thread. :laughing:

But from a more serious perspective, I think there's definitely a solid reason for comparing the two given that both are considered by many to be the best from their respective comic companies. Or at least very near the top of the list of best.

And more than that, both deal with heroes with no powers and backed by the wealth/resources of major corporations.

Then add the fact that both have movies out this year and its of course inevitable that comparisons are made.

I appreciate both and wouldn't be looking to build one up at the expense of the other, so I think with that mindset there's no issue. As long as debate/discussion is on a somewhat intelligent level and not something like "Batman sucks, Iron Man's way cooler."

In the end, a lot of this stuff is relative. We inevitably have some marker of excellence against which we measure others. It's natural, I think.

EDIT: Oh, and I forgot another reason for comparison. Bats is in that damned stupid armored outfit, sometimes seeming like a second-rate Iron Man wannabe. Trojan Man (props to Rolla, I believe for that) vs Iron Man seems like a fitting comparison.

Raganork8

05-05-2008, 04:22 PM

"Iron Man sucks Batman is Cooler" :nahnah:

RollaFett

05-05-2008, 04:35 PM

Well, actually, the only reason I brought up IM vs BB was so I'd have a legit reason for asking Rolla about seeing IM in a Batman thread. :laughing:
LOL! And trust me, had I seen Iron Man, you'd have already seen me in the Iron Man thread and not had to ask me anyway. :P

EDIT: Oh, and I forgot another reason for comparison. Bats is in that damned stupid armored outfit, sometimes seeming like a second-rate Iron Man wannabe. Trojan Man (props to Rolla, I believe for that) vs Iron Man seems like a fitting comparison.
Hee hee. Trojan Man. I made a funny.

Doze

05-05-2008, 11:11 PM

Pic of Two Face I think:

(http://img404.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dentburnid4.jpg)

Raganork8

05-06-2008, 08:21 AM

hm...

Doze

05-06-2008, 09:15 AM

hm...Sorry,:doh: can I do it this way?
http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/9923/twoinonepk0.jpg

RollaFett

05-06-2008, 02:07 PM

Sure. And damn! That is one nasty looking dude.

borgmatrix

05-06-2008, 03:39 PM

Sure. And damn! That is one nasty looking dude.
Fortunately, those initial images Doze had up were small. I tore my gaze away before I could really get any detail. I'd rather wait and be surprised.

I saw in a recent interview, maybe one linked in this thread somewhere, that Eckhart said most people are thinking small when imagining what Two-Face might look like. Sounds like he's right?

RollaFett

05-06-2008, 05:05 PM

I didn't want to look either, but I knew I wouldn't be able to wait until July. It would simply drive me crazy.
As far as what Eckhart said, well, I'm not sure how to intrepret that. I will say that it cetainly is not what I was expecting to see. Then again, neither was the Joker.

Raganork8

05-06-2008, 05:05 PM

I wasn't thinking like the photo i just saw; that's some repugnant :censored:

borgmatrix

05-06-2008, 05:32 PM

As far as what Eckhart said, well, I'm not sure how to intrepret that. I will say that it cetainly is not what I was expecting to see. Then again, neither was the Joker.
Well, in case the article (http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/movies/la-ca-echkart-2008may04,0,3210342.story) wasn't linked in previous pages, Eckhart said:
I can tell you that, basically, when you look at Two-Face, you should get sick to your stomach. Being the guy under all that, well, that was a lot of fun for me. It's like you would feel if you met someone whose face had pretty much been ripped off or burned off with acid. I can't talk about it beyond that because I don't want to give away too much of the plans by Chris.
and
There are fans on the Internet who have done artist's versions of what they think it will look like, and I can tell you this: They're thinking small; Chris is going way farther than people think.

RollaFett

05-06-2008, 05:56 PM

Ahhh...I see. Well, not having seen what some of that srt looked like, I can't really say. However, like I already said, it definately caught me by surprise. So perhaps, in the back of my mind, I was thinking a little small myself.

empire21

05-06-2008, 06:23 PM

Sorry,:doh: can I do it this way?
http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/9923/twoinonepk0.jpg

That is just freaking awesome.

RollaFett

05-06-2008, 06:27 PM

Okay, so let's see...today is May 6th...the movie opens on July 18th...AARRRGGGHHHHHHRRRGHHHRRGHHRGRHRGRHGRRGRHGRH RGR!!!!!!!!!!! TOO FRIGGIN' LONG A WAIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Raganork8

05-06-2008, 07:06 PM

the damage to his face looks consistent with a burn from fire; not as if it was eaten away.

Mark Skywalker

05-06-2008, 10:40 PM

THE MAN WHO LAUGHS Mark Hamill as THE JOKER (IMO the best version of The Joker, Let's see how Ledger does .)

<object width="425" height="355"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/lb8fWUUXeKM&hl=en"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/lb8fWUUXeKM&hl=en" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="355"></embed></object>

Mark Skywalker

05-06-2008, 10:45 PM

http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/9923/twoinonepk0.jpg

HOLY .... :w00t:

It looks like a mix of BATMAN: TLH & BATMAN : TAS Two-Face

Raganork8

05-06-2008, 10:53 PM

THE MAN WHO LAUGHS Mark Hamill as THE JOKER (IMO the best version of The Joker, Let's see how Ledger does .)

<object height="355" width="425">

<embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/lb8fWUUXeKM&hl=en" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" height="355" width="425"></object>

I think i lost some brain cells watching that...but what the heck i'll laugh anyway :laughing::laughing::laughing::laughing:

P-Ray

05-06-2008, 11:46 PM

The Dark Knight (http://movies.com/dark-knight/d894902/action)
Flame Broiled There's a great new trailer (http://www.whysoserious.com/happytrails/trailer.htm) out there, but the real thing to check out is this hideously gruesome picture (http://bp2.blogger.com/_2kjisMm3M9Y/SCCMzVcfdTI/AAAAAAAADj0/AL7-h7OsRLY/s1600-h/harvey-dent-aaron-eckhart.jpg) of Aaron Eckhart as Two-Face with half of his handsome mug burned to a crisp. Ugh. That thing reminds me of the steaks my dad used to barbecue when I was a kid — and why I became a vegetarian.

movies.com

Talcy

05-07-2008, 06:41 AM

P-Ray, not wanting to have a go at you, but do you run movies.com or something? You keep posting links from movies.com to items which have already been drawn attention to and discussed?

Raganork8

05-07-2008, 07:45 AM

P-Ray, not wanting to have a go at you, but do you run movies.com or something? You keep posting links from movies.com to items which have already been drawn attention to and discussed?

:laughing:

Of course he runs it; he's the King of all movie info!

Talcy

05-07-2008, 02:03 PM

Just makes me wonder if it's worth posting things which are going to get posted again, as though I never posted anything.

RollaFett

05-07-2008, 02:53 PM

I wouldn't worry too much about it. Things being posted more than once isn't the end of the world.
That said, P-Ray, perhaps you should do a quick glimpse beforehand to see if it is avoidable.

P-Ray

05-07-2008, 05:52 PM

I wouldn't worry too much about it. Things being posted more than once isn't the end of the world.
That said, P-Ray, perhaps you should do a quick glimpse beforehand to see if it is avoidable.
I do!

But I'm not re-posting stuff to frustrate Talcy!

I'm just posting other movie site listings that I think are humorous.

I didn't realize that it would get peoples panties in such a wad!:wink::nahnah:

Doze

05-07-2008, 06:03 PM

I do!

But I'm not re posting stuff you frustrate Talcy!

I'm just posting other movie site listing that I think are humorous.

I didn't realize that it would get peoples panties in such a wad!:wink::nahnah:
Amen!

Talcy

05-07-2008, 06:52 PM

No probs.

Raganork8

05-07-2008, 08:45 PM

On Batman Begins:

i saw it today...it sucked. i hated it. i am a major batman fan but that wasn't batman. that was some retarded ninja in a black suit. batman has lots more gadgets. :rofl:

I just had to quote this cause i found it very funny.

Raganork8

05-07-2008, 08:54 PM

I have a strong feeling that The Dark Knight will suck.

:rofl:

Justin

05-07-2008, 09:44 PM

Wow, you know I can respond to a post from a year or so ago WITHOUT being rude about it (not my original choice of words, by the way).

You can laugh all you want but I think my opinion at the time based on what information we had was valid.

I think the movie looks like it will be excellent, but I haven't made up my mind that it's the greatest film of all time without having seen it yet.

Raganork8

05-07-2008, 09:47 PM

RollaFett

05-08-2008, 11:33 AM

I do!

But I'm not re-posting stuff to frustrate Talcy!

I'm just posting other movie site listings that I think are humorous.

I didn't realize that it would get peoples panties in such a wad!:wink::nahnah:

No probs.

Yeah, I was actually gonna bring up that point, P-Ray, but stupidly did not. Seems as though everybody is cool now, so that's good.

P-Ray

05-08-2008, 12:32 PM

Yeah, I was actually gonna bring up that point, P-Ray, but stupidly did not. Seems as though everybody is cool now, so that's good.
It's all good Boss!:wink::rockon:

Mark Skywalker

05-10-2008, 12:18 PM

HQ pictures
Click Here (http://forums.toonzone.net/showpost.php?p=2863071&postcount=477)

Raganork8

05-10-2008, 01:02 PM

Very Nice

RollaFett

05-10-2008, 07:02 PM

Dammit, no Dark Knight trailer with Iron Man. Balls.

Morridini

05-10-2008, 07:50 PM

A friend of mine sent me this on MSN, has it been posted here before?

<object type="application/x-shockwave-flash" data="http://www.collegehumor.com/moogaloop/moogaloop.swf?clip_id=1813453&fullscreen=1" height="360" width="480">

</object>
A comparison of The Dark Knight trailer and Tim Burtons Batman trailer

empire21

05-10-2008, 10:47 PM

I don't think it's been posted but I've seen it at gametrailers.com.

Pretty damn cool I think.

Doze

05-10-2008, 11:06 PM

Dammit, no Dark Knight trailer with Iron Man. Balls.It was when I went. The trailers are so much better in the theater. Sorry but I'd buy you a beer if it would help. :beer:

Raganork8

05-12-2008, 08:29 AM

Two Dark Knight Television Spots!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:
http://www.slashfilm.com/2008/05/12/two-dark-knight-television-spots/

Notice the difference in the "Good evening ladies and gentlemen; we're tonights entertainment"

Mark Skywalker

05-12-2008, 04:10 PM

YouTube - The Dark Knight - TV Spot #1

YouTube - The Dark Knight - TV Spot #2

Mark Skywalker

05-12-2008, 04:15 PM

http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/9803/batsegnalewi1.jpg
I love this comparison shot from Batman : TLH .

Talcy

05-12-2008, 04:30 PM

I cannot wait for this film. It looks like they're basing a lot of it on moments and themes from two of my most favouritest BatBooks ever. :superhappy:

Mark Skywalker

05-12-2008, 08:15 PM

I like the tagline used for the tv spot

This Summer Out of The Darkness Comes The KNIGHT

Raganork8

05-12-2008, 08:55 PM

I literally laughed out loud when I heard Gordon said "He does that" Recognized it Instantly.

I agree with you Talcy; looks like a lot is coming from a good place.

Jjm3233

05-13-2008, 07:57 PM

Well the TV trailers have me even more excited! And as long as they are borrowing, why not from the best?

Raganork8

05-14-2008, 07:19 PM

Here's your chance to go to the Premiere:

http://batman-dark-knight.moviechronicles.com/2008-05/chance-to-attend-dark-knight-premiere-and-after-party/

empire21

05-14-2008, 09:16 PM

Here's your chance to go to the Premiere:

http://batman-dark-knight.moviechronicles.com/2008-05/chance-to-attend-dark-knight-premiere-and-after-party/

Wouldn't that be nice to win.

Raganork8

05-14-2008, 09:22 PM

If I had the starting bid money I could see the movie 35 times...

RollaFett

05-14-2008, 09:44 PM

Heh, heh...me too, buddy, me too.
Oh well, just have to settle for good old fashioned opening day viewing at the local theater. Or midnight showing, if mine has it, and I can convince Mrs. Rollafett to join me. She, surprisingly, was a big fan of Batman Begins. In fact, she actually insisted on seeing it. Y'know, rather than I forcing it on her.

Raganork8

05-14-2008, 09:49 PM

Yeah; it's funny to think that on July 18th that a lot of us will be doing the same thing...

over and over.

Raganork8

05-15-2008, 03:27 PM

Dark Knight Coaster....looks lame:
http://batman-dark-knight.moviechronicles.com/2008-05/dark-knight-six-flags-rollercoaster/

borgmatrix

05-15-2008, 06:03 PM

Yeah; it's funny to think that on July 18th that a lot of us will be doing the same thing...

over and over.
Now if I can just make it to the 18th, which will be easier said than done.

Raganork8

05-15-2008, 06:05 PM

That's always the challenge; I've made peace with all my mortal enemies, so that no one snuffs me out before the 18th.

borgmatrix

05-15-2008, 06:56 PM

That's always the challenge; I've made peace with all my mortal enemies, so that no one snuffs me out before the 18th.
:laughing: See, I don't even know who my mortal enemies are. I'm gonna have to be looking over my shoulder.

I'm being pulled in two directions here. I really, really want July 18th to get here so I can see TDK. BUT, I've gotta HUGE test on June 31 which is gonna make this next month hell. So as far as that's concerned, I'd actually like time to slow down a lot. I don't quite want the 31st to arrive.

But I suppose it'll be all the more sweeter when July 18 does swing around. Test'll be done. Of course, that'll also mean my two weeks off (1st two of July) will be over and I'll be back to work. ARGHHH!

Raganork8

05-15-2008, 06:59 PM

See you'll do amazing on the test; and then be rewarded with TDK and then work will be fun because you'll only be thinking of TDK.

borgmatrix

05-15-2008, 07:44 PM

See you'll do amazing on the test; and then be rewarded with TDK and then work will be fun because you'll only be thinking of TDK.
And that's what I look to rags for. Some nice positive thinking. :) Thanks, man. Yeah, that's the attitude I need to carry.

TDK (and Gotham Knight) will definitely be a nice reward. Yeah, cannot wait.

Raganork8

05-15-2008, 07:51 PM

It's not too far off; I'm trying to use other movies to tie me over; So Indy is in 6 days; and I'll have a whole week to revel in that; The Hulk looks good so i'll have that; then a long month...

Tovor

05-16-2008, 12:13 AM

RollaFett

05-16-2008, 01:29 AM

^ Perhaps. Although when I've told others that story, the first response is usually something along the lines of, "Ahhhh...Christian Bale, right?"

Raganork8

05-16-2008, 10:06 AM

:laughing:

Doze

05-16-2008, 09:22 PM

I think this is new.

Raganork8

05-16-2008, 09:33 PM

Very cool

Here's another CHEAPER chance to see the Dark Knight with Christopher Nolan:
http://batman-dark-knight.moviechronicles.com/2008-05/dark-knight-gala-in-chicago/

Third T.V. Spot!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HE8dF0phRYc&eurl=http://batman-dark-knight.moviechronicles.com/

empire21

05-17-2008, 08:12 AM

I think this is new.

Now that I'd hang in my movie room.

Doze

05-17-2008, 10:36 PM

Now that I'd hang in my movie room.
The only thing wrong is it should say 'The Dork Knight'. :laughing:

Justin

05-17-2008, 11:56 PM

I think this is new.
The marketing for this one is way better than Batman Begins.

Raganork8

05-22-2008, 08:57 AM

http://www.hersheys.com/reeses/darkknight/

Mark Skywalker

05-22-2008, 01:40 PM

Kapit

05-22-2008, 02:16 PM

That's for the Dark Knight ride, correct?

Mark Skywalker

05-22-2008, 02:22 PM

That's for the Dark Knight ride, correct?
Yes

Mark Skywalker

05-22-2008, 02:25 PM

*WARNING MAJOR SPOLER AHEAD* from Gary Oldman about James Gordon in TDK

this interview (http://www.wizarduniverse.com/051708oldmaninterview.html)

Raganork8

05-22-2008, 02:38 PM

Gordon is my Favorite Character.

Mark Skywalker

05-22-2008, 02:41 PM

Gordon is my Favorite Character.

I like that Gordon in Nolan's movies is much more active than Gordon in the previous batman movie series .

Oldman's Gordon is like Batman : The animated series Jim Gordon .

Raganork8

05-22-2008, 02:57 PM

I agree; I was only slightly disappointed he didn't do anything in the first film; but, I have a feeling Nolan views Gordon similar to how I view him; I can smell the relationship between Gordon/Dent and Batman is going to the stuff dreams are made out of.

Mark Skywalker

05-23-2008, 03:14 PM

BATMAN : Through the Ages

Their have been 3 era's of The DARK KNIGHT through out the ages in the comic book continuity . Comic book artist Fred Benes captures this beautifully in his art piece entitled Batman's Family.

all 3 era's of BATMAN : The Golden Age, The Silver Age, & The Modern

The only one missing is Alfred .

Kapit

05-25-2008, 07:31 PM

That's an awesome piece of work!

Raganork8

05-27-2008, 09:40 PM

Bale Briefly Talks Ledger:
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20202566,00.html?xid=rss-topheadlines-yahoobuzz

Raganork8

05-27-2008, 10:37 PM

The Dark Knight Wins An Award!:
http://batman-dark-knight.moviechronicles.com/2008-05/dark-knight-wins-golden-trailer-award/

P-Ray

05-28-2008, 04:33 PM

New Dark Knight banner!

http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=45479

Mark Skywalker

05-28-2008, 05:13 PM

A trip back down memory Lane (Got Milk ads)
http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/yhst-90077103850756_1999_54353275
Comic book BATMAN

http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/8205/gotmilk01rp3.jpg
BATMAN BEGINS
http://www.bodybymilk.com/batman/downloads/batman_ad.jpg
THE DARK KNIGHT

Mark Skywalker

05-28-2008, 05:15 PM

The Official novel of The Dark Knight

http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/5653/518120yuolss500zv3.jpg
The Official Description

Based on the blockbuster Warner Bros. Pictures film starring Christian Bale and Heath Ledger.

Allied with both the police department and the district attorney’s office, the vigilante known as Batman continues to bring justice and hope to Gotham City. But one man dares to mock Batman’s mission. A man with a twisted sense of humor. A man whose grotesque smile is reflected on the calling card he leaves at the scene of his crimes: The Joker.

RollaFett

05-28-2008, 05:26 PM

Whoa! You can really see the difference in the costumes with those 'got milk' ads. The first one looks soooooo much better.

Justin

05-28-2008, 05:58 PM

Whoa! You can really see the difference in the costumes with those 'got milk' ads. The first one looks soooooo much better.
I completely disagree. I think the first one looks stupid, so much so that I much preferred the scenes in Batman Begins where he WASN'T in costume.

borgmatrix

05-28-2008, 05:59 PM

Whoa! You can really see the difference in the costumes with those 'got milk' ads. The first one looks soooooo much better.
And I didn't think that was possible. How can you get worse than the BB costume? Well, here's the answer. I'd really love to know who the "genius" was behind the updated version.

Oh, man. So Batman's got a watermelon for a head. And it looks like he's all set for a nip-slip with whatever the hell's going on with his upper chest. Maybe he's trying to immobilize his foes by inducing uncontrollable laughter?

What the hell.

I have to applaud them, though. You're right, Rolla, they actually have made the first costume look friggin brilliant in comparison. Maybe they'll do us the same favor with this one by going even further off the deep end with a further updated costume for the third. They'll deserve some kind of prize if they could pull that off. Of course, then they'd need a 4th movie with yet another atrocity to put the third in new light. And so on.

Yeah, on second thought, no prizes for them.

empire21

05-28-2008, 06:02 PM

The first one looks soooooo much better.

Agreed!

Raganork8

05-28-2008, 07:40 PM

I just thing the mask looks kinda odd; everything else is fine. IMO

Justin

05-28-2008, 11:43 PM

I think it looks cool. I'm sure they were tying in the armor to the title of the film. I would prefer that he have a cloth or at least partial cloth costume, I think they could pull it off, but this costume is pretty cool.

Mark Skywalker

05-29-2008, 02:03 PM

The Dark Knight Score Coming July 15
Source: Warner Bros. Records
May 29, 2008

"The Dark Knight Original Motion Picture Soundtrack" -- the haunting score to the hotly anticipated feature film The Dark Knight (http://www.comingsoon.net/films.php?id=15813) -- will be released by Warner Bros. Records on July 15, 2008, three days before the movie opens nationwide on July 18th.

Composers Hans Zimmer and James Newton Howard, who collaborated on the score for the 2005 blockbuster Batman Begins, were asked by director Christopher Nolan to work together again, scoring its follow-up, The Dark Knight (http://www.comingsoon.net/films.php?id=15813). The duo recorded the orchestral soundtrack for the film in London this April.

Warner Bros. Records will release four different configurations of "The Dark Knight (http://www.comingsoon.net/films.php?id=15813) soundtrack: a standard jewel case CD, a 2 LP set of heavy-weight 180 gram vinyl version, a special edition digipack, and a collector's edition with special artwork to come after release.

http://www.superherohype.com/news/batmannews.php?id=7273

Mark Skywalker

05-29-2008, 03:32 PM

http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/dvd/warner/batmanbegins-900.jpg

Exclusive Bonus: THE DARK KNIGHT Prologue - The First 6 minutes of the Film!
An Exclusive 32-page Booklet featuring Script Pages, Storyboards and Film Stills from THE DARK KNIGHT Prologue
16-page DC Comic Book Adaption of THE DARK KNIGHT Prologue
Movie Cash Ticket to see THE DARK KNIGHT in theatres!
5 Collectible BATMAN BEGINS postcards!
BATMAN BEGINS Key Art Lenticular!

Amazon.com: Batman Begins (Limited Edition Gift Set): Christopher Nolan: Movies & TV

empire21

05-29-2008, 05:54 PM

I'll be getting that in Blu-Ray. :yeah:

RollaFett

05-30-2008, 11:51 AM

And I didn't think that was possible. How can you get worse than the BB costume? Well, here's the answer. I'd really love to know who the "genius" was behind the updated version.

Oh, man. So Batman's got a watermelon for a head. And it looks like he's all set for a nip-slip with whatever the hell's going on with his upper chest. Maybe he's trying to immobilize his foes by inducing uncontrollable laughter? LOL!
Y'know, I think I may be able to get over the disproportinate head thing, but the rest is absolutely ridiculous! It's like some rubber company sponsored the film or something and they simply had to have 15,000 rubber pieces placed all over him.
I've compared it to the Green Goblin from the Spidey films before, as well as a clonetrooper, as well Iron Man. Now, I'd say he looks more like Megatron from the Transformers film. There's just so much clutter!
I have to applaud them, though. You're right, Rolla, they actually have made the first costume look friggin brilliant in comparison. Maybe they'll do us the same favor with this one by going even further off the deep end with a further updated costume for the third.
Gawd, I hope not. Let's hope they get it stright by then and we aren't subjected to the type of absurd costumes we saw in the Schumacher films.

I just thing the mask looks kinda odd; everything else is fine. IMOOk. You're definately entitled to your opinion, but I'd love to know what is so fine with all of that rubber clutter that he's wearing? Is that the Batman you're famaliar with?

I think it looks cool. I'm sure they were tying in the armor to the title of the film. I would prefer that he have a cloth or at least partial cloth costume, I think they could pull it off, but this costume is pretty cool.Y'know, I actually theorized that as well in a much earlier post. The film is called "The Dark Knight", and he's wearing a ton of armor. Like you said, perhaps they're simply trying to have him look like a modern-day version of a mideivel knight. If so, mission accomplished.
However, what a lousy idea.

Raganork8

05-30-2008, 11:56 AM

Well; I'll say the still picture are odd to look at; but, we've seen it in the trailer and IMO it just doesn't look that bad in the trailer. every time I see Batman in the trailers he looks cool and menacing; except that pimp-walk thing in one of the T.V. Spots.

Considering the Movie looks like it being shot with Batman in low-light and in night time I don't think the Suit will do any damage to the the look of the film.

Remember we were all a little weary about Heath Ledger being played as the Joker; but, now we can't wait.

I'm willing to trust Christopher Nolan on somethings now so I'll be on him to make the suit look good within the film.

But yes; the picture's do look...interesting.

RollaFett

05-30-2008, 12:11 PM

Raganork8

05-30-2008, 12:27 PM

I disagree. We have seen very little of Batman in these spots. I'll reserve judgement on how it looks in the film until I really get a chance to see it. The still pics do it no justice whatsoever, though, and I will make judgements on them.
As far as trusting Nolan goes, well sure, I trust him to make a terrific film, like the first one. But hell, I didn't like the costume in the first one either, so he hasn't earned trust on that front.
Oh, and don't lump me in with the "weary about Heath Ledger" crowd. I was always intrigued by that choice, and trusted that Nolan knew what he was doing.

Fair is Fair

I apologize.

We do get to see the suit; without anyone it in for a good shot; and it didn't look too bad.

Now again; we have that shot of Batman on the roof; I think I can see it pretty clear and it looks cool, very ninja-ish but cool.

You're right we'll see; I'm not sure why you didn't like the suit from the first film though...i found it constricting; but, thats why they changed it for this one.

I don't know why; but, I'm not that bothered by it; I don't like it; but I don't hate it.

Maybe I'm biased because I want to see this movie SO bad.

RollaFett

05-30-2008, 01:08 PM

Maybe I'm biased because I want to see this movie SO bad.Hey, me too, but I still can't get over the suit.

Raganork8

05-30-2008, 01:51 PM

Just curious; did the First Suit bother you during the film?

I think I managed to block it out kind of; I don't know; I know you didn't like the first one; but, I'm not clear if it was just the image or did the suit stick out during the film as well.

borgmatrix

05-30-2008, 02:30 PM

Gawd, I hope not. Let's hope they get it stright by then and we aren't subjected to the type of absurd costumes we saw in the Schumacher films.
Honestly, I might take one of the Schumacher suits over this. At least the Forever costume.

And you're right that the cowl isn't even the worst part. Seriously, what are they going for with his upper chest? I'm used to seeing that kind of approach with female costumes where they want to show some skin and cleavage. But with Batman and just more rubber underneath? Why? They're clearly drawing attention to it, since the underlying part is silver and just stands out (unlike the arms where there's darker material under the top compartment layers). I mean, what's the reasoning here?

Like you said, perhaps they're simply trying to have him look like a modern-day version of a mideivel knight. If so, mission accomplished.
However, what a lousy idea.
If that's what they're doing, just borrow one of the armor suits from A Knights Tale. At least that'll actually look like a knights armor.

Oh, and don't lump me in with the "weary about Heath Ledger" crowd. I was always intrigued by that choice, and trusted that Nolan knew what he was doing.
Same. I've had pretty much complete trust after the casting in the first movie, so I've never had any issue/questions with Heath. I was telling people with certainty before we even saw any footage or images that Ledger's Joker would be closer to the potential of the character and superior to Nicholson's. And I still feel that way now with the trailers only supporting that, in my eyes.

And rags, yeah the first costume bothered me in the movie. Hated the image of him squatting outside Gordon's place. Didn't particularly care for the suit when he was marching down the hallway at Arkham. Hated that he had to turn his whole body at times to look around, a problem I thought we'd be well beyond by this point. The suit also really bothered me in the fight against Ra's at the end. How can I seriously get into a fight when he's decked out like that (and looking idiotic) while Ra's is dressed normally?

Raganork8

05-30-2008, 02:47 PM

And rags, yeah the first costume bothered me in the movie. Hated the image of him squatting outside Gordon's place. Didn't particularly care for the suit when he was marching down the hallway at Arkham. Hated that he had to turn his whole body at times to look around, a problem I thought we'd be well beyond by this point. The suit also really bothered me in the fight against Ra's at the end. How can I seriously get into a fight when he's decked out like that (and looking idiotic) while Ra's is dressed normally?

Gotcha; but, at least he'll be more mobile in this suit right?

I understand the complaints; but, lets look at some of the better things about it. He'll actually be able to move; so who knows how the action will come out this time?

and again; the pics seem to be using flash; I'm not sure what the film is going to show; but, the first was in a lot of low light; so maybe it won't be that bad.

Raganork8

05-30-2008, 02:53 PM

28393

28394

In these two photos we can see the suit Kind of clearly and how it will be represented in the film.

I don't think they look that bad...HERE...but...

What do you think of it in those two pics?

borgmatrix

05-30-2008, 03:41 PM

What do you think of it in those two pics?
Really not too bad. But I still think its going to be really weird seeing him in that bulky of an outfit in a well-lit room. We'll see.

Raganork8

05-30-2008, 03:56 PM

absolutely; just I think that the two pics take place in a well lit area; but the movies standards.

I'm saying that Milk Ads aren't going to have the same colour and lighting scheme as the film; so I wouldn't let it get me that down.

That being said...yes the suit in the wrong kind of light will look silly; I trust that it will be treated the right way.

We'll see; I think we all agree that we'd like it to be that way though.

RollaFett

05-30-2008, 04:01 PM

Just curious; did the First Suit bother you during the film?Not completely, no. But as borg pointed out, there are definately plenty of scenes when it did stick out and bug me.

Honestly, I might take one of the Schumacher suits over this. At least the Forever costume.Well, as long it isn't that pathetic blueish/silver nightmare he wore for the final battle.

And you're right that the cowl isn't even the worst part. Seriously, what are they going for with his upper chest? I'm used to seeing that kind of approach with female costumes where they want to show some skin and cleavage. But with Batman and just more rubber underneath? Why? They're clearly drawing attention to it, since the underlying part is silver and just stands out (unlike the arms where there's darker material under the top compartment layers). I mean, what's the reasoning here?
See? It's not even easy to descrive that friggin' thing! It's such a mess!

Gotcha; but, at least he'll be more mobile in this suit right?One hopes, but there really is no reason he couldn't have been more mobile in the last film. They paint themselves into a corner by going for such a heavily armored look, so when it come to put the man in action, they limit themselves. It's really quite surprising that this type of error keeps getting made in every Batman film. But every filmmaker that takes a crack at these movies seem to wind up being married to the idea of a rubber armored costume. I don't get it.

What do you think of it in those two pics?In those shots, no, it doesn't look so bad. And hopefully, when we see more of him in the film, it'll be presented so whatever crazy rubber pattern they're using isn't too glaring. But, if that's the case, then why bother with all of that crap anyway?

Raganork8

05-30-2008, 04:23 PM

N

One hopes, but there really is no reason he couldn't have been more mobile in the last film. They paint themselves into a corner by going for such a heavily armored look, so when it come to put the man in action, they limit themselves. It's really quite surprising that this type of error keeps getting made in every Batman film. But every filmmaker that takes a crack at these movies seem to wind up being married to the idea of a rubber armored costume. I don't get it.

In those shots, no, it doesn't look so bad. And hopefully, when we see more of him in the film, it'll be presented so whatever crazy rubber pattern they're using isn't too glaring. But, if that's the case, then why bother with all of that crap anyway?

Well we KNOW he'll be more mobile; they've been talking about it so much; so he'll be able to move his neck; why it took this long...I don't know; but, it's here.

They explain the new suit in the lore as being created because: He needs the suit to have a better grip on speed which is very important

So I'm excited to see some Batman action sequences with him moving like never before.

But to keep reaffirming I agree with you about the suit; but, I think that the jist of those two shots will probably be how the suit is depicted within the film.

Maybe they'll just show him from the back in high light and all we'll see is a watermelon head and a cape :nahnah:

RollaFett

05-30-2008, 04:33 PM

^ To quote Charlie Brown, "Good grief!" Oh, and he was quoted specifically.

Raganork8

05-30-2008, 04:34 PM

^ To quote Charlie Brown, "Good grief!" Oh, and he was quoted specifically.

:(

RollaFett

05-30-2008, 05:07 PM

Heh, heh...don't be sad. That was only in reference to your last sentence.

Mark Skywalker

05-30-2008, 05:51 PM

I think The new batsuit looks Incredible , (I also believe that just like in BATMAN BEGINS , for all of you complaining about the suit, that when you see the new suit in action you'll change your opinion .)

That's why I can't wait to see the new suit in full action .

RollaFett

05-30-2008, 06:03 PM

Uhhh...maybe you didn't fully understand some of us, but the only saving grace about the first batsuit was the fact that it wasn't really seen in it's entirety very often, due to lighting and other factors. As a result, we were able to accept it, not change our opinion.

Orandhite

05-30-2008, 06:07 PM

* wanders in after some time away *

You boys still arguing about the batsuit?! :)

Jedi Master Harrison

05-30-2008, 06:13 PM

I'm a bloke. So I see a guy in a batsuit. I see no detail. Every batsuit is the same. :laughing: I might notice if it was red though!

Raganork8

05-30-2008, 06:13 PM

Heh, heh...don't be sad. That was only in reference to your last sentence.

in that case...

:w00t:

I think The new batsuit looks Incredible , (I also believe that just like in BATMAN BEGINS , for all of you complaining about the suit, that when you see the new suit in action you'll change your opinion .)

That's why I can't wait to see the new suit in full action .

Yeah I think when we see this suit in action some of this resentment will be evaporated...hopefully.

* wanders in after some time away *

You boys still arguing about the batsuit?! :)

:yes:

Raganork8

05-30-2008, 06:14 PM

And now something different

28395

borgmatrix

05-31-2008, 12:37 AM

One hopes, but there really is no reason he couldn't have been more mobile in the last film. They paint themselves into a corner by going for such a heavily armored look, so when it come to put the man in action, they limit themselves. It's really quite surprising that this type of error keeps getting made in every Batman film. But every filmmaker that takes a crack at these movies seem to wind up being married to the idea of a rubber armored costume. I don't get it.
I'm wondering if it was WB that wanted an armored batsuit.

Kapit

05-31-2008, 02:03 AM

I still have no idea why the Batsuit is causing people to get all upset. It's an armored suit that protects him from being shot. Why the hate?

Mark Skywalker

05-31-2008, 02:54 AM

I love this shot of Bats from the upcoming Batman Gotham Knight animated movie. I can't wait to see it on dvd July 8 .

empire21

05-31-2008, 07:36 AM

And now something different

28395 WTF! :blink:

I love this shot of Bats from the upcoming Batman Gotham Knight animated movie. I can't wait to see it on dvd July 8 .

That is pretty cool. :wink:

borgmatrix

05-31-2008, 10:32 AM

I still have no idea why the Batsuit is causing people to get all upset. It's an armored suit that protects him from being shot. Why the hate?
:laughing: I know we've been over this, JK. I think multiple times. Obviously, just with the last couple posts, you can see there are some of us who just think it looks stupid. On one level, its as simple as that. I wouldn't be complaining half as much of this costume looked as good as Keaton's. But it doesn't. It's worse in almost everyway.

But look, Rags was pointing out how it might look better at certain angles and with less lighting, etc. It shouldn't have to be that way. There shouldn't be a need to disguise the outfit. If they were going to have less light anyway, fine. But in the back of my mind, I can't help but wonder if they're deliberately staging/filming the action the way they do to mask the suits shortcomings, whether they're going the extra mile to put Bats in darkness to hide the suit or in tight closeups or use quick cuts so we don't see the suit really well or that he can't move fully. They shouldn't have to do that.

The reality is, as has been pointed out before, just about every other superhero movie is able to put their heroes in material resembling their comic counterparts. Spidey's costume was identical. Superman's was pretty damned close. Nobody was putting any of these guys in armored suits to protect them from bullets, heat vision, kryptonite, bomb blasts or whatever. If you're a guy called Iron Man and who historically wears armor, then obviously, yeah put him in armor. But this isn't Paul Valley here. It's Bruce Wayne. He should be wearing an outfit with material resembling that of Daredevil's. Or the X-men. Or Spider-man. Or Superman. And for crying out loud, it literally hinders Bats movement. Can you imagine Spidey trying to pull off his typical moves wearing a suit like that? It wouldn't be the same character. So how can you limit the natural mobility and flexibility of a character as athletic as Batman, a martial artist no less? It makes no sense.

This new suit is supposed to allow Bale to move better. Okay. Great. But if they put him in a costume like those other heroes I mentioned, he'd have complete freedom of movement. And he wouldn't look so moronic.

Raganork8

05-31-2008, 10:48 AM

whether they're going the extra mile to put Bats in darkness to hide the suit or in tight closeups or use quick cuts so we don't see the suit really well or that he can't move fully. They shouldn't have to do that.

And for crying out loud, it literally hinders Bats movement. Can you imagine Spidey trying to pull off his typical moves wearing a suit like that? It wouldn't be the same character. So how can you limit the natural mobility and flexibility of a character as athletic as Batman, a martial artist no less? It makes no sense.

This new suit is supposed to allow Bale to move better. Okay. Great. But if they put him in a costume like those other heroes I mentioned, he'd have complete freedom of movement. And he wouldn't look so moronic.

I don't know about going the Extra Mile to hide it; somethings that look terrible in high light look great in low light. Perhaps theres a technique in how the suit will look in low light where it must appear silly in flash photography; I don't know, we don't know. But I wouldn't jump the gun in saying they were PURPOSELY using low light to hide the suit; I think rather the movie was going to be shot in low light; and the way the suit looks in low light fits the persona of Batman in this film.

Yeah, it always hindered his movement; batman's suit isn't like the others though; lets remember that Christopher Nolan is trying to root these films in as much reality as it can be (that's ironic because the new suit looks so fantasy-ish) so I would guess that an outfit like Daredevil, Spiderman or Superman would look "superhero like" to people in the Batman realm; remember he's supposed to a normal guy in a Batsuit; not a superhero in a superhero suit. That creates somewhat of a problem; because, it has to look like Batman to us; but, give off a powered down version of the hero to convey that he has no powers and is NOT a superhero.

Yes; Spiderman is flexible; but, I don't know if he could do Martial arts in his suit. The action in Batman is a little different from the other films; they punch and kick all the same yes; but, Batman is a little more precise so I'm not sure if the make of those other suits would even help him much. PLUS he's got a cape and a mask that (I believe) are connected; this brings the problem with the neck; no other superhero, that i can think of right now, has that same demand; I'm sure it took them a good while to figure out that little problem and I'm glad they did.

I rather see how the action plays out before I go off on the suit; while I don't like it either I just have a good feeling that the mobility will outweigh the style.

borgmatrix

05-31-2008, 11:32 AM

That creates somewhat of a problem; because, it has to look like Batman to us; but, give off a powered down version of the hero to convey that he has no powers and is NOT a superhero.
But its not a problem at all. Like you've noted, the suit looks "fantasy-ish." As I've been saying, put him in a suit with material like the others. He'd still have the cowl and cape. He'd still be in a dark colors. But he'd have normal material with perhaps a bullet-proof vest kind of material underneath. That's it. He'd be "powered down" and it'd be more realistic because a martial artist, especially one with Batman's skill set, must be able to move.

Raganork8

05-31-2008, 11:38 AM

Ok I get what you mean...

I wouldn't like that; I can't explain intelligently why I wouldn't like it; but, I wouldn't.

That being said I think they can make a suit the way they've been doing, that doesn't look as silly.

I didn't think the Batman Begins suit was that bad except the neck thing and the restriction.

I think the rubber w/e thing makes Bats look Bigger which is important in the fear factor of things.

Everyone has powers to speak for; Batman's gotta bluff it a little. If he gets shot he's going to die; so he can't afford to just wear a bullet proof vest; it's gotta be something intimidating and effective.

Funny thing is that this Suit makes him look smaller; I don't dislike the shape I don't like the stuff ON it; if they just made it look like one piece instead of 1000 different pieces that interlock I think the suit would be acceptable.

borgmatrix

05-31-2008, 03:04 PM

I think the rubber w/e thing makes Bats look Bigger which is important in the fear factor of things.

Everyone has powers to speak for; Batman's gotta bluff it a little. If he gets shot he's going to die; so he can't afford to just wear a bullet proof vest; it's gotta be something intimidating and effective.
I understand what you're saying, but I disagree given the approach Nolan's taking. If this was Burton's Batman, you're right. Keaton would need a bulky suit given he was a relatively small guy. More than that, he was practically posing out there for everyone to see. So he'd need armor since he utilized absolutely no attempt to dodge bullets.

Thing is, the whole fear factor is lost when people get a clear look at you and see the armor. Remember the reaction from Joker's goons in Batman when Bats was lying unconscious in the street. They realize its just a guy in body armor. "He's human after all." And bam, just like that the mystique is broken, the fear is lost. He's just a man in armor. The whole point is not to be seen.

Nolan's Batman is in and out of the shadows before anyone has any chance of seeing him. Look at the scene at the docks. Look at the fight at Arkham. Batman was in and out knocking guys out or just carrying them away before any could catch more than a glimpse. No bulky costume is necessary. Again, realistically, it would just hinder Bats ability to move like that and even pull off such stealth.

It's a careful balance. I'm not saying have no protection. Just something light and streamlined.

Raganork8

05-31-2008, 03:36 PM

Good point; but, then I have to ask, doesn't this new suit look light?

In a perfect world you'd just have the BB suit in the same light-looking texture without the frivolous looking parts on the chest, abs and arms...right?

Mark Skywalker

05-31-2008, 05:39 PM

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Raganork8

05-31-2008, 05:46 PM

UGGGGG

WHY MUST WE WAIT?!

Kapit

05-31-2008, 07:15 PM

Borg, your responses are all over so many threads that I can't quote them :lol: So lemme just try and explain here.

It's like Rags mentioned: Batman is a real person. He has no superpowers like the characters you mentioned, and thus the armored approach is best.

I know you've brought up the idea of a material with Kevlar underneath, but I will never believe that something like that would be feasible for these movies. It still leaves his arms and legs open to attack (which has been done in the comics) and sidelines Batman for some time.

I will admit, though, that I like the style of the BB suit more than the pieced together look he has now. I bet the pieces like that make it much easier to move, but I like the clean look the single-piece suit gives

RollaFett

05-31-2008, 10:01 PM

Yeah, we all know he's human and has no powers and can be hurt or killed by bullets, blades, etc. We all know that.
That doesn't mean he has to look like he's wearing so much protection. I mean, in BB we see the kevlar body armor suit when he's talking with Fox. At that point, it's established that he's going to wear body aromor. Fine, no problem with that whatsoever. We know he's gonna be wearing armor, but they could've easily put him in something much more lightweight and streamlined and who the hell wouldv'e really known the difference?!

borgmatrix

05-31-2008, 10:51 PM

Yeah, we all know he's human and has no powers and can be hurt or killed by bullets, blades, etc. We all know that.
That doesn't mean he has to look like he's wearing so much protection.
Yeah. And look. Most action-oriented movies that are out there feature "real people" without superpowers. Do we see Jet Li or Jackie Chan marching around in armor? Do we see cops and FBI agents, with all the potential bullets they face, wearing anything resembling the Batman armor? Where was the over-the-top armor in The Departed? Or We Own the Night? What about films featuring the military, like Tears of the Sun? There were all kinds of weaponry in action and explosions and the like...I didn't see the soldiers decked out in protection that covered every inch of their body.

Let's drop this nonsense about how "realistic" the Batman rubber armor is and stop defending this crap that was started with the '89 movie. Wayne's more skilled than all those cops and soldiers, so its not realistic (or necessary) that he's wearing more protection. I mean for crying out loud. Give him some protection, but don't go overboard with it.

Kapit

06-01-2008, 12:10 AM

Let's drop this nonsense about how "realistic" the Batman rubber armor is and stop defending this crap that was started with the '89 movie. Wayne's more skilled than all those cops and soldiers, so its not realistic (or necessary) that he's wearing more protection. I mean for crying out loud. Give him some protection, but don't go overboard with it.

Just cause he's got ninja skills doesn't mean he's able to stop bullets...

Just sayin...

Raganork8

06-01-2008, 09:30 AM

Yeah. And look. Most action-oriented movies that are out there feature "real people" without superpowers. Do we see Jet Li or Jackie Chan marching around in armor? Do we see cops and FBI agents, with all the potential bullets they face, wearing anything resembling the Batman armor? Where was the over-the-top armor in The Departed? Or We Own the Night? What about films featuring the military, like Tears of the Sun? There were all kinds of weaponry in action and explosions and the like...I didn't see the soldiers decked out in protection that covered every inch of their body.

Let's drop this nonsense about how "realistic" the Batman rubber armor is and stop defending this crap that was started with the '89 movie. Wayne's more skilled than all those cops and soldiers, so its not realistic (or necessary) that he's wearing more protection. I mean for crying out loud. Give him some protection, but don't go overboard with it.

That's not a good excuse at all...

He's NOT Jackie Chan he's NOT Jet Li...it's not even close to the same thing.

I'm sure if we had Jet Li fighting gotham Crime he'd get shot and killed on day one. They're action is just as much Fantasy as the idea of a Bat Vigilante; the difference is they swap the Bat suit look for a regular human being; and Batman has armor to protect himself.

I get it you don't like the way the suit looks; but, I don't understand this "give him armor that doesn't look like armor; but, works just the same as armor" approach. Does something like that exist?

I'm not saying it doesn't I'm just saying I surely have not heard of it. He's wearing Armor to protect himself from being shot, stabbed, run over, set ablaze, doused with acid, falling from high places.

I know it's fantasy and you keep saying to take the realism argument and throw it in the trash; but, in the movie they explain his suit being a military creation and when I see solders I see much more armor than that.

If Spiderman gets shot in a half hour we can believe he's healed; in X-Men if any one of them gets shot they'll make a potion or w/e that'll heal them; unfortunately this new Batman series negates that possibility; if he gets shot he should STILL be suffering from that wound throughout most of the movie.

Yes; the armor should NOT be as hindering as it looked; I agree, they've solved that problem so this new suit will have him move better so he can combat crime and not get shot and killed within the first five minutes. I think thats cool; but, I wish the suit could not look like a Lego 64 piece set.

Justin

06-01-2008, 12:49 PM

But this isn't Paul Valley here.

Speaking of Jean Paul Valley, am I the only one who thinks it would be great if they collected the Knightquest series that came between Knightfall and Knightsend?

Not only was it an important part of the entire Knightfall saga (it explains how Bruce Wayne regains the ability to walk, for crying out loud!), but it was also made up of some very entertaining stories.

I know everyone hated AzBats, but his adventures as "Batman" and his decline into madness were great to read. It is a shame DC has never collected the series.

Justin

06-01-2008, 12:53 PM

Thing is, the whole fear factor is lost when people get a clear look at you and see the armor. Remember the reaction from Joker's goons in Batman when Bats was lying unconscious in the street. They realize its just a guy in body armor. "He's human after all." And bam, just like that the mystique is broken, the fear is lost. He's just a man in armor.

And then he totally KICKED THEIR ASSES!! :laughing:

Raganork8

06-01-2008, 02:21 PM

I just watched BB again; And it seems the suit looks just like this one in TDK cept he painted over it in BB

I'm not sure if I missed something; but, it looked very...uh...Piecy when they first showed it.

Also..

Damn that was a good movie

borgmatrix

06-01-2008, 02:42 PM

Just cause he's got ninja skills doesn't mean he's able to stop bullets...

Just sayin...
And cops and military soldiers without ninja skills can't stop bullets, either. Are they wearing head-to-toe armor?

Just saying...

That's not a good excuse at all...
Okay, look. Give me some respect here. I'm giving my all to give well-thought out posts, not excuses.

He's NOT Jackie Chan he's NOT Jet Li...it's not even close to the same thing.
Which is why I gave multiple examples. Tears of the Sun is a very seriously toned, realistically portrayed movie where the soldiers were not decked out in rubber looking armor covering every damned part of their body. Footage/images I've seen of actual US soldiers in real-life, again exposed to bullets, explosions, etc, don't show them wearing anything near what Batman's wearing. So where are you (or anybody) getting this idea that its somehow realistic or even necessary for Batman to wear that crap?

I get it you don't like the way the suit looks; but, I don't understand this "give him armor that doesn't look like armor; but, works just the same as armor" approach. Does something like that exist?
Where have I said that? Where have I said give him armor? I'm saying give him body protection along the lines of what cops or SWAT teams or soldiers wear. Once again, and this really isn't a difficult concept, those individuals are less skilled than Batman and yet are wearing less protection when going into situations where they're exposed to bullets and the like.

I know it's fantasy and you keep saying to take the realism argument and throw it in the trash; but, in the movie they explain his suit being a military creation and when I see solders I see much more armor than that.
Yeah, but no one wears anything like that. They can say its a military creation, but that actual, physical suit that Bale wore was headache inducing. It's complete fiction and fantasy that a suit like that would actually work. That's why I keep saying all this nonsense about how realistic it is is completely bull. It's not realistic so people should stop pretending like it is.

If Spiderman gets shot in a half hour we can believe he's healed; in X-Men if any one of them gets shot they'll make a potion or w/e that'll heal them; unfortunately this new Batman series negates that possibility; if he gets shot he should STILL be suffering from that wound throughout most of the movie.
If Spider-man gets shot in the head, he's dead. So let's put him in armor. If Cyclops gets thrown off a building and hits the ground, he goes splat and dies. So let's put him in armor. If Agents Benson and Stable on Law and Order SVU bust into an apartment and the guy they're after shoots them in the head, they're dead. I guess they need some rubber armor to protect them. Why stop there? On BSG at any given time a fleet of cylon basestars and raiders could jump in and blow up a portion of the Galactica. They should all be outfitted in heavy-duty armor and other contraptions to protect themselves.

Do you honestly not see how odd it is that across the board all these other shows and movies have their protagonists facing serious harm, and very often in realistically toned shows/movies, but that none of them have near the protection Bruce Wayne does, but somehow he's the one guy that somehow does? The argument could be made in every one of these movies/shows that the protagonists should be put in much greater protection, but I've never heard anyone, critic or otherwise, suggest there was something wrong and that they need body armor or some other major protective equipment.

Raganork8

06-01-2008, 02:50 PM

ok; I'll respond fully later; I just wanted you to know that I didn't mean any disrespect to you Borg when I said "Excuses"

if you got offended I apologize.

borgmatrix

06-01-2008, 08:53 PM

ok; I'll respond fully later; I just wanted you to know that I didn't mean any disrespect to you Borg when I said "Excuses"

if you got offended I apologize.
No, it's cool. And look, I'm getting burned out on this anyway. I need to step away, maybe permanently, from specific discussions about the batsuit. People can't accept where I'm coming from with this, so it'll probably do me good (and maybe everyone else too) to just let everyone embrace this approach and keep my thoughts on it to myself.

So maybe don't respond too in depth, if at all, to my previous post. And I don't mean any disrespect by that. It's just I might stay away from the thread for a little while, or at least from that specific topic, because I don't need to get my bp up and waste time in general if everyone's deadset against my angle on it. I'd hate to waste your time putting out a long reply when I might not read it or have the energy/motivation to respond any longer.

Raganork8

06-01-2008, 08:55 PM

I think we're all just a little fussy cause we still have over a friggin month to wait until the movie comes out...

:mad:?

borgmatrix

06-01-2008, 09:11 PM

I think we're all just a little fussy cause we still have over a friggin month to wait until the movie comes out...

:mad:?
Yeah. And other stuff I've gotta get through before then. *sigh* We'll get there. I guess.

I know everyone hated AzBats, but his adventures as "Batman" and his decline into madness were great to read. It is a shame DC has never collected the series.
I actually really liked the Valley character. What I hate is how they trashed his character in order to set up for Bruce's glorious return. I'm not saying I didn't want Bruce back. Or that someone else should be Batman. But if they're gonna go there (breaking his back and taking him away from the role), then actually do it. If the intent was always to bring him back, then don't destroy a potentially great character (Valley) for no reason. Just don't having the "breaking" in the first place.

I really, really liked Paul's introduction. Great concept, great potential. But then to see the writers turn him into a villain just so there's a reason for Bruce to come back, and then to toss Valley aside when its done...I mean, is there any surprise his eventual solo title failed? So many did hate him after the whole Knights trilogy.

Loved Knightfall. Quite enjoyed KnightsQuest except for the ludicrous explanation behind Bruce's regained ability to walk and the gradual ruining of Valley's character. Knightsend I ultimately couldn't quite stomach. Well written, well drawn. I just didn't like what they did with Valley's Batman.

And then he totally KICKED THEIR ASSES!! :laughing:
Yeah. And I wanna be clear. I don't dislike the '89 Batman or Keaton's take. In fact, I actually prefer the Keaton Batman. I loved what he and Burton did with Batman/Wayne and found it to be something special. No disrespect to Bale, who's probably the superior actor, but his and Nolan's take can't quite match the unique aspects brought to Bats in the Burton's movies.

Raganork8

06-01-2008, 10:06 PM

Yeah. And other stuff I've gotta get through before then. *sigh* We'll get there. I guess.

Don't worry dude; you'll get those test finished you'll do VERY well and you'll have Dark Knight all summer long.

RollaFett

06-02-2008, 02:50 PM

No, it's cool. And look, I'm getting burned out on this anyway. I need to step away, maybe permanently, from specific discussions about the batsuit. People can't accept where I'm coming from with this, so it'll probably do me good (and maybe everyone else too) to just let everyone embrace this approach and keep my thoughts on it to myself.

:( I'm with you, buddy. But I agree, it seems as though we keep going in circles with our arguments. No offense to those on the other side of this debate, but for the life of me, I cannot understand how none of our points seem to ever be accepted.
Oh well, at least we can all be unified in our anticipation for the flick.

Raganork8

06-02-2008, 02:55 PM

:( I'm with you, buddy. But I agree, it seems as though we keep going in circles with our arguments. No offense to those on the other side of this debate, but for the life of me, I cannot understand how none of our points seem to ever be accepted.
Oh well, at least we can all be unified in our anticipation for the flick.

That's not true; because I've said countless times that I agree with the both of you; just, not on the idea that he should have a regular suit with some armor ONLY on his chest.

I do agree the suit looks silly; but, I think thats a design flaw if any. All the suits have that general suit and I wouldn't want to see Batman in Cloth like Spiderman or something heavy like Iron Man...

But you have a good point why does he need all that protection?

Iono...but I hope we find out.

Remember too Batman falls out of the sky quite a bit maybe thats it.

RollaFett

06-02-2008, 02:59 PM

Yeah, sorry about that, you have agreed on a few things. My bad.

borgmatrix

06-02-2008, 03:03 PM

Oh well, at least we can all be unified in our anticipation for the flick.
Yeah. And I think the suit's really the only issue I've really had, so if all else if great, I think we'll all be happy. Fact is, I'm gonna be so keyed up to see Ledger's Joker that it might not matter too much exactly how Bats looks. With any scenes with him, I'll probably already be looking ahead to the next Joker moment. Which is gonna be a change from Batman where I spent most of the time wondering where the heck our title character was and wanting to see more of him.

RollaFett

06-02-2008, 03:08 PM

Good points.
Regardless of the suit, I can't think that it could possibly ruin the film for me in any way. And you're right about Batman, Nicholson absolutely dominated that film. I guess that's what you get when your villian gets top billing over your hero, huh?

Raganork8

06-02-2008, 03:33 PM

Yeah. And I think the suit's really the only issue I've really had, so if all else if great, I think we'll all be happy. Fact is, I'm gonna be so keyed up to see Ledger's Joker that it might not matter too much exactly how Bats looks. With any scenes with him, I'll probably already be looking ahead to the next Joker moment. Which is gonna be a change from Batman where I spent most of the time wondering where the heck our title character was and wanting to see more of him.

I have the same feeling; but, I hope not. I hope Batman turns out to be just as interesting as The Joker and something deep down in me feels like Batman will still have a...slight advantage.

I don't know why; maybe because we haven't seen much of him so far.

I love that in the T.V. spot he has a pimp walk when he's going into the holding for Joker; he looks badass.

Raganork8

06-02-2008, 03:50 PM

Just in Case you Forgot why we want to see this movie so bad...

YouTube - REAL THE DARK KNIGHT TEASER TRAILER

YouTube - Batman - The Dark Knight Trailer HD

YouTube - ** NEW ** The Dark Knight (2008) - Theatrical Trailer 3 HD

YouTube - The Dark Knight - TV Spot #1

YouTube - The Dark Knight - TV Spot #2

YouTube - The Dark Knight - TV Spot #3 - pimp walk at 23

Kapit

06-02-2008, 03:53 PM

Armored suit forever! :P

I understand the material angle, but I just feel that the logic doesn't work out with an outfit like that.

For those interested, here's the Dark Knight poster I had to make for Photoshop class: http://fc08.deviantart.com/fs27/i/2008/150/e/9/__The_Dark_Knight___Poster_by_JediKaputski.png

Mark Skywalker

06-02-2008, 07:40 PM

45 days left until THE DARK KNIGHT RETURNS !!!!!!!

Mark Skywalker

06-03-2008, 02:49 AM

New Batman picture

44 days left

Mark Skywalker

06-03-2008, 04:49 AM

This is a very cool BATMAN : The Animated Series tribute fan art .

http://fc07.deviantart.com/fs13/f/2007/055/5/6/Batman_and_friends_VS_everyone_by_PatCarlucci.jpg

Raganork8

06-03-2008, 10:35 AM

the Clowns are back

YouTube - Clowns Against Dent - Message 6

Raganork8

06-03-2008, 10:45 AM

Today I think CAD is fake...

Also I forgot to mention; I saw an ad for the Dark Knight Coaster yesterday in times Square.

This might not sound exciting; but, in Times Square there's a Kodak billboard with a jumbo screen that plays cute images of families on the beach playing, puppies...you get the picture; but, halfway through it the words "Ha Ha Ha" scribble on it and it goes into a ad for the coaster; somewhat like the commercials.

I happened to have a friend who works for the ads department for Times Square and he tells me that WB has actually put in several bids for the Jumbotrons for the same kind of ad placement. For example the M&M store has a jumbotron in front of it's store and they would have normal ads defaced with Joker messages...

Pretty damned cool I hope it happens.

Mark Skywalker

06-03-2008, 12:05 PM

Justin

06-03-2008, 09:57 PM

In fact, I actually prefer the Keaton Batman. I loved what he and Burton did with Batman/Wayne and found it to be something special. No disrespect to Bale, who's probably the superior actor, but his and Nolan's take can't quite match the unique aspects brought to Bats in the Burton's movies.

I agree with you, I think I mentioned before in this thread how I feel that the 1989 Batman captured the feel and tone of the comics better than Batman Begins. I think that movie is one of the best comic-to-film translations of all time.

People like to make a big deal about how Batman Begins adheres so closely to the source material, and in some ways it does but in some ways it doesn't. I think this will become more apparent when The Dark Knight is released next month.

RollaFett

06-03-2008, 11:23 PM

BATMAN continues to owns Iron Man's ass in this debate . lol I love the ending with The Joker & Iron Monger , Stane didn't even try to go up against THE CLOWN PRINCE OF CRIME .
:rofl: That was awesome!

I agree with you, I think I mentioned before in this thread how I feel that the 1989 Batman captured the feel and tone of the comics better than Batman Begins. I think that movie is one of the best comic-to-film translations of all time.

People like to make a big deal about how Batman Begins adheres so closely to the source material, and in some ways it does but in some ways it doesn't. I think this will become more apparent when The Dark Knight is released next month.
I dunno about that. Most of what I hear about BB is how realistic it is, not so much about the similarities to source material. The only thing it's truly close to, source material-wise, would be "Year One", IMO. It's the realism aspect that I think most people really dig.
As far as Burton's "Batman" goes, though, despite it's flaws, I can't argue against your point about 'feel and tone'. It really did capture that feeling. Hell, I dare say that the first three Batman films did a decent job of that. That's right, even "Batman Forever".

Justin

06-04-2008, 12:02 AM

:rofl: That was awesome!

I dunno about that. Most of what I hear about BB is how realistic it is, not so much about the similarities to source material. The only thing it's truly close to, source material-wise, would be "Year One", IMO. It's the realism aspect that I think most people really dig.
As far as Burton's "Batman" goes, though, despite it's flaws, I can't argue against your point about 'feel and tone'. It really did capture that feeling. Hell, I dare say that the first three Batman films did a decent job of that. That's right, even "Batman Forever".
Well I thought Batman Returns was pretty out there. That's why I love it. It's an awesome movie, albeit not the best adaptation of the Batman comics.

I thought Batman Forever wasn't too bad, it had its moments, but there was a lot of cheesy crap in it, you have to admit. If The Riddler had been the only villain it would have been a much better film. Not to mention if Joel Shumacher had taken Batman seriously.

To be honest, Joel Shumacher is actually a pretty good director; the problem was that he didn't take Batman seriously and was essentially using the tone and style of the TV show as a starting point instead of the comics.

I think if he had taken it seriously and attempted a real Batman movie instead of a cartoony joke, he could have done a pretty good job. It's a real shame.