MOVIES: The Alien Legacy

[Ripley the Warmaster]

surely I'm not the only fan of these four movies on this board. I'd just bought the Alien Quadrilogy box set, and it is easily one of the best box sets of DVDs out there now. Any thoughts on these movies?

[Momin327]

I like all the Alien movies. They keep you gripped to your chair most of the time. Anf the alien hass by far, the greatest monster design in cinema history.

[Ripley the Warmaster]

I like Aliens the most. I usally prefer action movies over suspense, and while it's an 80s blow the crap out of stuff movie, it's the best one of the genre.

[Spacehunter24]

I love the ALIEN movies, though ALIEN3 is rarely ever watch. But so far I've refused to buy the new 9-disc set after I had already spent $70 or $80-something on the previous box set. (Though I'm still going to buy AMC's THE ALIEN SAGA documentary.) I'll just check out the bonus discs from the QUADRILOGY next time I'm at my friend's house.

But yes, I'm also a fan of the ALIEN movies. RESURRECTION is my personal favorite. *dons flame-retardant suit and ducks*

[Ripley the Warmaster]

can I have one of those suits? Resurrection's my 2nd fav, and the first one i saw.

[Momin327]

Originally posted by Sniper Wolf the Warmaster@Mar 30 2004, 04:54 PM
I like Aliens the most. I usally prefer action movies over suspense, and while it's an 80s blow the crap out of stuff movie, it's the best one of the genre.
Absolutely! My favorite person in the movie was Bill Paxton as Hudson. He had some of the best lines in the movie:

"That's it, man! Game over, man! Game over!"

[Spacehunter24]

Hicks was always my favorite. I so wanted to be him when I was little. Michael Biehn is awesome!!

[8-Ball]

i love Aliens the best, then Alien, then Alien3, then that last one (it sucks).....I liked the trilogy until Ressurection. I kinda hope that they do an Alien5 though

and I bought Alien and Aliens on dvd recently and they RULE

[Ripley the Warmaster]

we're getting Aliens vs. Predator, but that's for you to decide and another thread.

[8-Ball]

i know, ill just say what I think though.....its not a sequel for either movie

[8-Ball]

ohhh yea....been watching Aliens on tv this weekend. Its definately hands down the best one of the 4. I just dont get why people dont like the 3rd one. I loved it. And I hate the argument about how Newt and Hicks were killed off for the 3rd movie. Newt had to be cause the actress would have been too old.

[Darth Whaler]

Don't get me started on Alien 3! In my opinion, it was one of the worst sequels ever made. It ruined the series. From what I've heard, James Cameron feels the same way. You take two characters that the audience grows to love over the course of Aliens (Newt and Hicks), and then do away with them within the first minutes of Alien 3. Stupid. Again, just my opinion.

I heard rumors that James Cameron was interested in doing another Aliens movie in which he would totally ignore the events of the Alien 3 and Alien Resurrection. I'm usually against the cheesy "it was all a dream" technique but I would accept it for the Aliens series if it helps to negate the last two movies and bring back Hicks (he was my favorite).

[P-Ray]

Originally posted by Darth Whaler@Apr 11 2004, 07:41 PM
Don't get me started on Alien 3! In my opinion, it was one of the worst sequels ever made. It ruined the series. From what I've heard, James Cameron feels the same way. You take two characters that the audience grows to love over the course of Aliens (Newt and Hicks), and then do away with them within the first minutes of Alien 3. Stupid. Again, just my opinion.

I heard rumors that James Cameron was interested in doing another Aliens movie in which he would totally ignore the events of the Alien 3 and Alien Resurrection. I'm usually against the cheesy "it was all a dream" technique but I would accept it for the Aliens series if it helps to negate the last two movies and bring back Hicks (he was my favorite).
I agree that Hicks and Newt shouldn't have been killed off but I thought the rest of the movie was good.

I also liked resurrection. It's not the best but I can tolerate it.

I might be the only person who likes all 4 of them. I had them all on tape. I don't have any on DVD.

[8-Ball]

Originally posted by P-Ray@Apr 11 2004, 07:47 PM
I agree that Hicks and Newt shouldn't have been killed off but I thought the rest of the movie was good.


how else would you have done that movie then? its impossible. You have to kill off their characters, at least the girls.

I too could go for the "its all been a dream" plot

[Ripley the Warmaster]

I would hate having the dream part actually. It screw up the timeline, and make a mess where there shouldn't be one, IMO.

[Virus]

I'm such a sucker for these movies. THEY ARE SOOO GOOD!!!

I have the first two on DVD and I must say that with the THX certified, these DVDs ROCK!!! Aliens is still the best of them all. You can't beat Cameron

[Ripley the Warmaster]

<span style="color:blue">Plus Aliens also has the funniest jokes at the beginning.
Hudson: Man, this floor is freezing.
Apone: What do you want me to do, fetch your slippers for you, Hudson?
Hudson: Gee, would you, sir? I'd like that.
[Apone points at his face with middle finger]
Apone: Look into my eye style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif </span>

[Virus]

HELL YES!! Great line style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

I'll just mention it here, but the Aliens look amazing in the new movie, Alien vs Predator. But I don't like them using the Queen again. I feel like they are ripping off Cameron, but not. Its hard to explain, but you see how i feel

[Mann]

One of the best lines in the Alien saga is actually in Resurrection:

"Earth man...what a style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/censored.gif hole"

Ron Pearlman is an acting god I think. He just acts wonderfully.

[Virus]

eh, sub-par line.

I think you only like him and line cause he was in Hellboy

[Ripley the Warmaster]

<span style="color:blue">I've only seen Pearlman in Resurrection, but I found him funny. Especially when Ripley 8 does the whole thing with the basketball. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif </span>

[Justin]

I'm looking forward to James Cameron and/or Ridley Scott's new Alien film, which Cameron said would disregard Alien 3 and 4. Apparently he and Scott were talking about it.

Most likely we will see a grown up Newt as the main character fighting the Alien or Aliens, with Ripley cameoing, or maybe they will both be the main characters. Sigourney Weaver is getting kind of old though.

And bring back Hicks!

[Virus]

Well Hicks is getting old too. and I still dont think they should disregard 3 and 4. Because then why not just disregard Empire Strikes Back or Terminator 3 or something on those lines.

Plus I don't think Aliens will be Camerons next project. He's working on something else now and it'll be AMAZING

[Ripley the Warmaster]

<span style="color:blue">Despite the fact I like Cameron, I'd would HATE it if he disegarded 3 and 4. Keep it one story.</span>

[Justin]

I couldn't be happier if he made a film where Newt and Hicks and Ripley were all still alive and Ripley wasn't a clone. I'm sorry, but Alien 3 and 4 just sucked. It's hard to believe they could make such poor sequels to two amazing movies.

[Virus]

Why was Alien3 bad? Its so underrated. Just because they killed off Newt and Hicks doesnt mean it sucks. It had an amazing ending that was a shocker, just like Matrix Revolutions

[Ripley the Warmaster]

<span style="color:blue">I loved Alien 3, and considered it superior to the original. Resurrection was not as good as the first three, but I enjoyed it. May you please tell us why you hate them?</span>

[T-bone]

I didn't mind Alien 3 as much as most did but I don't feel it was superior to either of the previous two. Hey, part 3 had Ric Olié in it! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[RustyMuffler]

Anyone who doesn't like Alien 3 should give the cut on the Quadrilogy DVD's a try. While it isn't exactly everything Fincher had in mind, it does make a lot more sense than the theatrical version. I used to be of the mindset that Alien 3 was poo. I remember reading the novelization before the film came out and throwing it on the ground in the first few pages when I found out about Newt and Hicks. (Ah, the days before the internet.) Seeing the film opening night, I was sick to my stomach afterwards. But after I got over the baggage of Newt and Hicks being gone, I revisited the film on video a few years later. And I have since come to conclusion that it is a very nice atmospheric, dark film and a somewhat satisfying way to tie up the trilogy. (Ripley realizing that she could never have a normal life at that point and making the ultimate sacrifice in order to save everyone from the themselves by taking the queen down with her.)

Now Alien Resurrection. NOTHING can save that crapfest. Except perhaps a Ridley Scott Alien 5. I don't think you should ignore the events of the third and fourth films (not that I would complain THAT much if they actually went and did this), and at this point the only place this can really end is on the Alien's homeworld. Cameron hasn't really done that much talking about being involved in the next installment (just some comments on what he would do and that he had spoken to Scott about it on one occasion), but Ridley has brought it up time and again over the past five years. And his ideas are just what the series needs to get itself back on track.

Now, speaking of what could have been? If Fox would have just made the Dark Horse comics Verheiden/Nelson storyline into the third film? THEN we would be talking some great stuff. There were some wacked out, stylish opportunities that could have been taken advantage of there. But now as it stands, there are two continuities...the films, and the comics. Personally I enjoyed the later infinitely more once Resurrection hit the fan.

-- Rusty

[Virus]

Originally posted by RustyMuffler@Jun 18 2004, 09:59 PM
Now, speaking of what could have been? If Fox would have just made the Dark Horse comics Verheiden/Nelson storyline into the third film? THEN we would be talking some great stuff. There were some wacked out, stylish opportunities that could have been taken advantage of there. But now as it stands, there are two continuities...the films, and the comics. Personally I enjoyed the later infinitely more once Resurrection hit the fan.

-- Rusty
ooooo, please tell style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[Greedo Boy]

I've seen the first two and parts of the third, but not the fourth. I really like Aliens, but I don't care much for Alien. As I haven't really seen the others, I can't really pass judgement on them.

[Virus]

Think I'm gonna get Alien 3 on dvd soon. I just need to complete that trilogy.

RustyMufler, please post as to what else you were gonna say about if Fox let them do it the comic book way or something.

[RustyMuffler]

Just go out and grab the first ALIENS graphic novel from Dark Horse Comics. It is by Mark Verheiden and Mark Nelson. (Get the black and white version for the best effect as they have since released a color "remastered" version.)

The basic premise is that it is some years after the events in "Aliens" and Newt and Hicks have both gone a bit mad in their own ways. Hicks is still a soldier, but he spends most of his time either drunk or in the brig. He is something of an outcast within the ranks after coming back from the action on LV-426 scarred both mentally and physically. He is plagued by nightmares and demons that are all tied to the Alien.

Newt is herself something of a social outcast, living in a homeless shelter (or something like that..it has been many years since I read it). She is also bothered by nightmares and seems to have somehow developed a mental link to the Alien.

The "company" is still actively trying to come up with ways to develop the Alien into some sort of bio-weapon. There is also a cult that developes its own connection to the Alien. Everything comes to a head when an insane soldier leads his troops into the Aliens' home world.

Really great character development and pacing. Some were upset at the absence of Ripley (a nice mirror to the backlash that came with the release of Alien 3), though she did show up at the end of the second series which was also a great read. But the overall reception of the series was very positive. It spawned MANY other spin off series' from Dark Horse (some very good; some very, very not) whose sales were one of the driving factors (good or bad) in getting Alien Resurrection off the ground.

I HIGHLY recommend the first three series': ALIENS by Mark Verheiden and Mark Nelson, ALIENS: Book II by Mark Verheiden and Dennis Beauvais, and ALIENS: Earth War by Mark Verheiden and Sam Keith. But do not make the mistake of buying the "remastered" trade paper backs that they did for these series'. They basically repackaged the same stories and art and changed the names of Hicks and Newt to Wilkes and Billie, as well as changing the names of the stories to Aliens: Outbreak, Aliens: Nightmare Asylum, and Aliens: Female War in order to, as Dark Horse put it, "bring the entire story into a single line of continuity with the motion pictures and the wildly popular Bantam novels". All it did was make things confusing and non-sensical. In other words...poo. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/barf.gif (But in that respect I guess they do fit in with Alien Resurrection. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

Good stuff!

-- Rusty

[Virus]

Think I should get the Alien3 dvd? I love these dvds, the collectors are great

[Ripley the Warmaster]

<span style="color:blue">Thanks for posting that RustyMuffler. I'm reading the the novel versions of those comics, and they make more sense now. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif
Virus, do so. Alien 3 is great, 2nd fav in my opinion.</span>

[RustyMuffler]

I would recommend the 2-disc Alien 3 DVD, most definitely. That is, if you already have the Alien SE and Aliens SE DVD's. If you don't have any of them, most definitely get the Quadrilogy box set. The ninth disc has some really great stuff on it that makes the whole set worthwhile if you can take having Resurrection in your collection.

I just wish that they would have done something different with the Region 1 box. It is a pain in the a** to open and close. I am thinking of upgrading to the Region 2 Japanese set that comes in the Alien head (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=617&item=6303950349&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW). Just wish it wasn't so pricey.

-- Rusty

[Justin]

Wow, that's really cool. I wonder why they didn't release it here.

[RustyMuffler]

Dunno. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/giveup.gif Region 2 always seems to get better packages than Region 1. The Kill Bill Vol. 1 box set also comes to mind. I could go on and on about the disrespect of Region 1 DVD consumers by the studios, but that's for another discussion.

-- Rusty

[Virus]

wait wait, what more or how different are the Region 2 DVDs? Aren't those Japanese ones or Euro versions?

Yea I'll probably get Alien 3 on the 2-DVD set. I already have Alien and Aliens on DVD from the new DVDs, but I didn't want to get the box set and I'm not the biggest fan of Alien 4. Just doesn't do it for me. Something about the ending is too weird and the fact that the trilogy ended with her dying.

I was listening to Aliens with the commentary last night. Anyone else do this? Cameron is great too, one of the best directors ever. Even he likes Alien 3, even with the lose of Newt and Hicks. But to do a movie that came out 5 or so years after the previous one, you can't have a character like Newt unless you recast the actress because she would have been too old. And if you did that, they the audience would have hated the movie even moreso.

[Virus]

Anyone else here think that the next Alien movie should be a prequel about how that spacecraft ends up on the planet with all of the eggs?

I was just thinking of this today. Only downfall is there can't be a Riply

[P-Ray]

I wonder if the Aliens vs. Predator movie will go along with the continuity of both respective franchises? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/scratchchin.gif

[Virus]

P-Ray, how so?

[Ripley the Warmaster]

<span style="color:blue">P-Ray, does it have to do with Lance Henriksen's character of Charles Bishop Weyland?</span>

[P-Ray]

Originally posted by Virus@Jun 29 2004, 07:57 PM
P-Ray, how so?
I wonder if the A vs P storyline will go along with or fit into the continuity of the Alien franchise and the Predator franchise. To fit into the Predator storyline wouldn't be difficult. I guess to answer my own question, these will probably take place seperate from the already existing movies and possibly not speak of events from them at all.

The reason I ask this is because of the rumor that James Cameron or Ridley Scott (I can't remember which) supposedly wanted to make another Alien movie but was going to totally disregard the Alien 3 and Alien Resurrection storylines/movies.

[P-Ray]

Originally posted by Sniper Wolf the Warmaster@Jun 29 2004, 08:17 PM
<span style="color:blue">P-Ray, does it have to do with Lance Henriksen's character of Charles Bishop Weyland?</span>
I forgot about that character/actor. I guess then it will probably fit into continuity nicely.

[Virus]

Originally posted by P-Ray@Jun 29 2004, 08:19 PM
The reason I ask this is because of the rumor that James Cameron or Ridley Scott (I can't remember which) supposedly wanted to make another Alien movie but was going to totally disregard the Alien 3 and Alien Resurrection storylines/movies.
No chance this will happen.....first of all, how will they show that they characters aged 20 years? They can't cause their in a pod and it would be lame for those who like Alien3, like myself.

I want a prequel, even though EVERY movie today is doing it cause it lets them continue the franchise without having to think too hard for a good story. YES Mr Lucas, I am looking in your direction.....hey hey, wait there...you too Mr Jackson

[Justin]

Well obviously it would take place twenty years after Aliens.

[Virus]

Originally posted by Justin@Jun 29 2004, 11:24 PM
Well obviously it would take place twenty years after Aliens.
I know, read what I wrote though.......the pods don't age people so how would you explain their aging? it doesn't work but maybe Cameron can get around it cause I know that Michael Beihn would do another movie with him in a second. Only probably would be getting Sigourney to do this movie and have her forget 3 and 4. She likes those movies and she had alot to do with them. I just don't think this idea will ever be shown on screen.

[Justin]

I mean it would take place after they've returned to Earth and lived there for twenty years, and thus aged.

[Ripley the Warmaster]

<span style="color:blue">I've read Cameron's only made a few mentions of doing Alien 5, but Scott has talked more often about doing it. I'd prefer Scott over Cameron since Scott is the original director, and would respect the timeline. Plus I know Alien 3 did a lot better in Europe and Asia than North America.

I just watched the featurette on the Alien Quad box set about Vincent Ward's original Alien 3 script. Would have been interesting to see that verison happen. Quite a bit like the final version of Alien 3, but with a bit more originality.</span>

[Virus]

hey Sniper, I just picked up Alien 3 on dvd. Can't wait to watch it sometime soon. But I just can't keep myself away from watching Aliens, its just too damn good.

I doubt I'll get Alien Resurection because I have it on VHS and its my least favorite. I'm just not a huge fan of them bringing her back to life and I didn't care for the ending either. Like whats with the human/alien creature?

Also, whats on the 9th disc of the quadrilogy? anything worth viewing?

[Virus]

oh yea, here's another question:

How come on the side of each DVD it has a number? Look at Alien, its number is 10 and Aliens is 11 and so forth. Why those numbers?

[Ripley the Warmaster]

Originally posted by Virus@Jul 31 2004, 12:56 PM
hey Sniper, I just picked up Alien 3 on dvd. Can't wait to watch it sometime soon. But I just can't keep myself away from watching Aliens, its just too damn good.

I doubt I'll get Alien Resurection because I have it on VHS and its my least favorite. I'm just not a huge fan of them bringing her back to life and I didn't care for the ending either. Like whats with the human/alien creature?

Also, whats on the 9th disc of the quadrilogy? anything worth viewing?
<span style="color:blue">For Resurrection, here is how I follow it. The Ripley clone is not the same person as Ellen Ripley. They are two very different people, and I don't think Ellen Ripley would like the clone. The Clone is a lot more agressive than Ellen Ripley. This can probably be linked to the alien DNA in her. Plus I prefer the special edition. It deals with the Clone's memories more, and has a different ending. Not that much of a change, but I prefer it. Overall, the special edition made me like Resurrection as much as the first three.

The ninth disc has all trailors and TV spots for the films. It has an hour doc about making of Alien, which is basically the Alien special features combined into an hour. There is also an segment about a person named Bob Burns who owns a lot of the props from the movies. It's interesting, but you don't have to own it.

About the numbers, I'm not sure what you're talking about.</span>

[Virus]

Originally posted by Sniper Wolf the Warmaster@Jul 31 2004, 07:40 PM
<span style="color:blue">For Resurrection, here is how I follow it. The Ripley clone is not the same person as Ellen Ripley. They are two very different people, and I don't think Ellen Ripley would like the clone. The Clone is a lot more agressive than Ellen Ripley. This can probably be linked to the alien DNA in her. Plus I prefer the special edition. It deals with the Clone's memories more, and has a different ending. Not that much of a change, but I prefer it. Overall, the special edition made me like Resurrection as much as the first three.

The ninth disc has all trailors and TV spots for the films. It has an hour doc about making of Alien, which is basically the Alien special features combined into an hour. There is also an segment about a person named Bob Burns who owns a lot of the props from the movies. It's interesting, but you don't have to own it.

About the numbers, I'm not sure what you're talking about.</span>
Seems like the 9th disc isn't entirely worth owning. I'm glad I didnt get the Quadrilogy then (sorta, because I could have saved money if I do decide on getting Alien 4).

How is the ending different in Alien Resurrection?

[P-Ray]

Here's a question: I know that we can buy the movies seperately but do they still come with all the discs and movie versions if I don't buy them in the set?

[Ripley the Warmaster]

<span style="color:blue">You see the Betty land on earth, and Ripley 8 and Call do their whole end lines on earth, which is clearly in a desert area. The camera pans out, and you see the remains of a city. It's clearly Paris by the damaged Eiffel Tower. Like I said, not much of a change, but it kept perked my interest. With either ending, Resurrection is the only Alien movie that the ending leaves me wanting more. The first three have a definite feel that a sequel isn't needed, but I don't have that with the last one.

P-Ray, I think you can. The sperate releases of the four films has their two respective discs from the Quadrilogy boxset. It'd be the theatrical and special edition of the film you buy and the second disc with all the "making of..." featurettes.</span>

[Virus]

well how do you feel that Alien4 wants you to want another? What would you want to see? Please post alot, I like to read style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

I'd have to agree with you that the other 3 end with you not wanting another, but they are all great films

[P-Ray]

Originally posted by Sniper Wolf the Warmaster@Aug 1 2004, 12:26 AM
P-Ray, I think you can. The sperate releases of the four films has their two respective discs from the Quadrilogy boxset. It'd be the theatrical and special edition of the film you buy and the second disc with all the "making of..." featurettes.[/color]
Thanx, that helps!

My only problem is that I'm a "own the whole series or set" kind of guy. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blush.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

[Ripley the Warmaster]

Originally posted by Virus@Aug 1 2004, 12:32 AM
well how do you feel that Alien4 wants you to want another? What would you want to see? Please post alot, I like to read style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

I'd have to agree with you that the other 3 end with you not wanting another, but they are all great films
<span style="color:blue">The ending, both theatrical and special, leaves me wanting more. Lets take the theatrical release. It ends with Ripley 8 and Call looking out onto Earth. Call says this is her first time here, and Ripley 8 says she is a stranger too. For me, I want to know what happens when they get on Earth, and could have Ripley 8 deal with how much it has changed since when the original Ripley was last on Earth.

For the special edition, it has them landing on Earth. After pretty much the same dialogue as in the theatrical ending, Ripley 8 says "The military is going to be here soon." Call responses "There is a lot of places here to hide." Then the pan out and you see the ruins of Paris. You could have Ripley 8 and Call running from the military on Earth, and something did happen to have a major city like Paris be abandoned ruins. I wouldn't even mind a film being done like that without the Aliens. However, I would advertise that as a spinoff, not a sequel.

P-Ray, do you own all of them on VHS or have the old "Alien Legacy" box set?</span>

[Virus]

Originally posted by Sniper Wolf the Warmaster@Aug 1 2004, 01:24 PM
For the special edition, it has them landing on Earth. After pretty much the same dialogue as in the theatrical ending, Ripley 8 says "The military is going to be here soon." Call responses "There is a lot of places here to hide." Then the pan out and you see the ruins of Paris. You could have Ripley 8 and Call running from the military on Earth, and something did happen to have a major city like Paris be abandoned ruins. I wouldn't even mind a film being done like that without the Aliens. However, I would advertise that as a spinoff, not a sequel.
No offense, but that would be terrible and Weaver wouldn't do it.

Thanks for the info Sniper! I'm glad someone else on this forum enjoys these 4 movies as much as I do. I too own them all on VHS but they are just normal versions and I didnt get them in the box set. Thank god I waiting a little bit longer for these latest versions to come out cause I was going to buy a box set on DVD off of eBay. I love these new versions they have. Aliens is perfect on DVD

Sniper, did they give any reason on the DVD why the changed the ending or shortened it? Can't be a time length issue

[Ripley the Warmaster]

Originally posted by Virus+Aug 1 2004, 01:47 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Virus @ Aug 1 2004, 01:47 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-Sniper Wolf the Warmaster@Aug 1 2004, 01:24 PM
For the special edition, it has them landing on Earth. After pretty much the same dialogue as in the theatrical ending, Ripley 8 says "The military is going to be here soon." Call responses "There is a lot of places here to hide." Then the pan out and you see the ruins of Paris. You could have Ripley 8 and Call running from the military on Earth, and something did happen to have a major city like Paris be abandoned ruins. I wouldn't even mind a film being done like that without the Aliens. However, I would advertise that as a spinoff, not a sequel.
No offense, but that would be terrible and Weaver wouldn't do it.

Thanks for the info Sniper! I'm glad someone else on this forum enjoys these 4 movies as much as I do. I too own them all on VHS but they are just normal versions and I didnt get them in the box set. Thank god I waiting a little bit longer for these latest versions to come out cause I was going to buy a box set on DVD off of eBay. I love these new versions they have. Aliens is perfect on DVD

Sniper, did they give any reason on the DVD why the changed the ending or shortened it? Can't be a time length issue [/b][/quote]
<span style="color:blue">Just an idea I flopped around in my head. Hey, fans can have their dreams. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif I can see your point. I'd probably prefer a "Planet of the Aliens" where you finally see the homeworld.

I don't think there was a reason given. Just added some extra scenes, because I know the director of Resurrection prefers the theatrical release. Sorta a what if, IMO. That's why the theatrical release was also included.</span>

[Virus]

I know I've said this before, but I want to see where that ship came from and what happened on it (the one from Alien on that planet). I'm bad with names, sorry. LV-426 or something. Yea thats it! But the sucky thing about doing that is you can have Weaver in the movie.

Damned if you do, and damned if you don't

[Ripley the Warmaster]

<span style="color:blue">I've always prefered the mysterious aura of the Space Jockey ship. I believe there was some Alien comics that dealt with it, but Resurrection contridicted almost all of the Alien EU.</span>

[Virus]

Originally posted by Sniper Wolf the Warmaster@Aug 1 2004, 05:14 PM
<span style="color:blue">I've always prefered the mysterious aura of the Space Jockey ship. I believe there was some Alien comics that dealt with it, but Resurrection contridicted almost all of the Alien EU.</span>
please explain on wise one. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif love to read

[Virus]

Just watched Alien3 on dvd and I must say it is ENTIRELY different and better

[P-Ray]

Originally posted by Virus@Aug 1 2004, 06:15 PM
Just watched Alien3 on dvd and I must say it is ENTIRELY different and better
How so?

I haven't seen the new version.

[Virus]

Sniper,

I can't believe they changed it that much. Don't you think its kinda weird. And why would they get rid of the part where the alien comes out of the dog and instead use a cattle or something? Doesnt make much sense. And I love the part where they actually trap it and the guy lets it loose again.

I love this movie but its just too weird and dark. Alien 3 and 4 suffer from boring plot lines, bad dialogue and above all.....terrible CGI effects. They should have followed Camerons method and just gone with men in rubber suits. It looks so much better and feels more realistic. However, with Alien3, it would have been hard not to use CGI when the alien was on the ceiling. Same goes for Resurrection when they are under water. Perhaps when Alien3 was made (1991 during filming), CGI was just coming around and wasnt perfect (still isnt).

[Ripley the Warmaster]

Originally posted by Virus@Aug 1 2004, 07:18 PM
Sniper,

I can't believe they changed it that much. Don't you think its kinda weird. And why would they get rid of the part where the alien comes out of the dog and instead use a cattle or something? Doesnt make much sense. And I love the part where they actually trap it and the guy lets it loose again.

I love this movie but its just too weird and dark. Alien 3 and 4 suffer from boring plot lines, bad dialogue and above all.....terrible CGI effects. They should have followed Camerons method and just gone with men in rubber suits. It looks so much better and feels more realistic. However, with Alien3, it would have been hard not to use CGI when the alien was on the ceiling. Same goes for Resurrection when they are under water. Perhaps when Alien3 was made (1991 during filming), CGI was just coming around and wasnt perfect (still isnt).
<span style="color:blue">There was an entry in this timeline of the Alien EU. Alien EU timeline (http://time.absoluteavp.com/eutime.html)
It has the Aliens wiping out the space jockeys, and there being one up to 20 years after Alien 3.

I agree with the special edition of 3 is A LOT better. It should have been the version in the theatrical release, IMO. The CGI part deals with it being new in 92. I do agree with you on using guys in suits. I actually prefer that and models over CGI. It makes it feel a lot more realer to me. The ox part was what originally was going to be in the movie, and my guess is to see the "bamby burster"

Actually, most of the underwater part was done using actors. The real actors for the humans were used for their scenes. The "Making off..." featurettes of Resurrection has an entire featurette just for that scene.


P-Ray, first the special edition of Alien 3 is easier to follow. There isn't as many plot holes as the theatrical. I'm not sure on all the changes right off the bat because it's been a while since I've seen the theatrical.

On Alien EU, here are why I don't consider it canon. Resurrection has Perez saying that Ellen Ripley effectly wiped out the species in 3, and several of the scientist says they've never seen the xenomorphs before. The Alien EU has Earth being infested by the aliens for like a year or so, and has more contact with the aliens. The link I gave at the start of the post has all the contridictions at the bottom of the page.
</span>

[Virus]

heres another question about Alien3 SE....how come at the end they left out the part where the alien comes out of Riply? Doesnt make much sense either.

[Ripley the Warmaster]

<span style="color:blue">Reason is never given for why. I prefer it not coming out. Reason being deals with Bishop's 2 offer to have the queen removed from Ripley. With the theatrical release. it would have bursted out on the way to the medical ship. Either way, she dies. Since it didn't come out in the SE, it gives the idea that the company's medics could have remove it. More powerful ending with her chosing to kill herself when she could have lived. That isn't the case in the original version.</span>

[Virus]

Good point, good point.

Still don't think I'm going for Alien4 on DVD. But I still have my fingers crossed for a prequel of these movies.

I just want Cameron to do it but he has his own project right now (which will be amazing no matter what it is).

Sniper, what is your favorite Aliens movie? I'm all about Aliens. Great characters and story and action!

[Ripley the Warmaster]

<span style="color:blue">It's hard for me to put down one as my favourite. Alien 3 has Weaver's best preformance as Ripley, Aliens has my favourite overall cast, Resurrection has my favourite score, and Alien has my favourite alien design, in my opinion. Out of the directors, I got to go with the original. Scott beats out the other three. It would probably be a tie between the first three, and Resurrection coming behind. I still really enjoy Resurrection, but it isn't as good as the first three.</span>

[Virus]

Originally posted by Sniper Wolf the Warmaster@Aug 1 2004, 10:37 PM
<span style="color:blue">It's hard for me to put down one as my favourite. Alien 3 has Weaver's best preformance as Ripley, Aliens has my favourite overall cast, Resurrection has my favourite score, and Alien has my favourite alien design, in my opinion. Out of the directors, I got to go with the original. Scott beats out the other three. It would probably be a tie between the first three, and Resurrection coming behind. I still really enjoy Resurrection, but it isn't as good as the first three.</span>
I complete agree. Her performance in Alien3 was top notched. But I like the innocent and good-hearted Riply in Aliens. I just don't think theres another story for Riply. Plus the whole "cloning" deal didn't fly right with audiences.

[Ripley the Warmaster]

<span style="color:blue">Actually, Resurrection made the most out of all the Alien movies. It made $160, but only $40 of it came from US. Both Alien 3 and Resurrection's US totals were outdone by the money it made in Europe and Asia. You can say it's just the US crowds not warming up to the last two.</span>

[Virus]

ehhh, yea well you can sell anything to Europeans and Japanese. They will buy or watch any crap. No offense.

And don't forget that when Alien4 came out in 1997, ticket prices were much higher than in 1979 or 1986.

Any idea how much each movie cost to make? I heard that Sigourney was paid more in Alien Resurection than the total cost of Alien back in 1979.

[Ripley the Warmaster]

<span style="color:blue">That I don't know. From the featurettes on the Alien Quad set, I get the vibe that the movies tend to get smaller budgets because of their box office gross. Yes, Weaver got paid $11m for Resurrection when the original Alien cost $8m. Back to the budge, I woudn't think it would have been that huge do to the preformances of the older films.</span>

[Virus]

Gotta bring this thread back...I love it

I just don't think that Weaver will want to do another Alien movie in 2 or 3 or 4 years. Too old and the fact that shes not the original Riply changes so much and for the worse.

I want the one and only prequel

[P-Ray]

Originally posted by Virus@Aug 9 2004, 04:50 PM
Too old and the fact that shes not the original Ripley changes so much and for the worse.


Who are you talkling about? Sigourney Weaver is the original Ripley fron Alien.

Or do you mean because she is a clone in Resurrection?

[Ripley the Warmaster]

Originally posted by Virus@Aug 9 2004, 04:50 PM
Gotta bring this thread back...I love it

I just don't think that Weaver will want to do another Alien movie in 2 or 3 or 4 years. Too old and the fact that shes not the original Riply changes so much and for the worse.

I want the one and only prequel
<span style="color:blue">Actually, Weaver enjoyed doing Resurrection the most. I read it in an interview. Give me a bit to find it.

EDIT: said interview (http://www.scifi.com/sfw/issue142/interview.html) From an acting POV, Resurrection was her favourite one to act in. </span>

[Virus]

Originally posted by P-Ray+Aug 9 2004, 05:30 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(P-Ray @ Aug 9 2004, 05:30 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-Virus@Aug 9 2004, 04:50 PM
Too old and the fact that shes not the original Ripley changes so much and for the worse.


Who are you talkling about? Sigourney Weaver is the original Ripley fron Alien.

Or do you mean because she is a clone in Resurrection? [/b][/quote]
yea I'm talking about her being a clone in Alien4.

I just liked her personality in Aliens. Innocent but tough.

I think one of the main reasons I love Aliens the most is cause its done by Cameron and he knows how to add action with HUGE suspense and some love to all his movies. Always makes a classic. Can't wait for his next film

[Ripley the Warmaster]

<span style="color:blue">Well, I just got done watching the Alien 3 theatrical. It'd been several months since I saw it, and I only saw the original version once before. I have to say whoever decided to put the theatrical in theatres instead of the special edition should have been fired from his/her job. The whole background about Biggs, Rains, and Golic is gone. Golic also is an important character in the SE when only a background in the TR.

Plus the fire sequence is at least three times longer than the TR's one, and you actually see the alien get captured. The whole captured/breakout scene in the TR probably wouldn't have made sense to me if I hadn't seen the SE. Of course the superior beginning, which shows Clemens to be different than the other inmates. Also there is the ending which I talked about earlier.

All in all, tonight is probably the last time I'll watch the theatrical release. This is probably the biggest case of a special edition/director's cut being better than the theatrical release.</span>

[Virus]

Originally posted by Sniper Wolf the Warmaster@Aug 11 2004, 12:44 AM
Plus the fire sequence is at least three times longer than the TR's one, and you actually see the alien get captured. The whole captured/breakout scene in the TR probably wouldn't have made sense to me if I hadn't seen the SE. Of course the superior beginning, which shows Clemens to be different than the other inmates. Also there is the ending which I talked about earlier.
see I feel that those two scenes could have been done away with. That was fine with me, but I love them both.

As for this version being better, I agree with you 99%. Not completely because they should have left the Alien coming from the dog and not that cow. Doesn't work with the SE because of the scene where that first guy dies.

[Justin]

The thing about that though is that the special edition is not a director's cut. David Fincher had nothing to do with the re-edited version they put on the DVD.

[Ripley the Warmaster]

<span style="color:blue">I know that. I was refering to director's cut/special editions all together. The little blurp before the movie says that this was the original version given to Fox, and it was badly edited to the theatrical version.</span>

[Virus]

Originally posted by Sniper Wolf the Warmaster@Aug 11 2004, 05:55 PM
<span style="color:blue">I know that. I was refering to director's cut/special editions all together. The little blurp before the movie says that this was the original version given to Fox, and it was badly edited to the theatrical version.</span>
yea that part of the DVD is pretty ghetto. I was mad when I saw that but I only noticed one scene that seemed to have bad audio.

Aliens is still the best of the DVDs. Although, I have only watched very little of disc 2 for Alien.

[Ripley the Warmaster]

<span style="color:blue">I've watched all the featurettes for all four of them. I have to put my finger on Alien for having the best featurettes. Main reason is it has probably the funniest moment on all the DVDs. Alien 3 has the weakest one, IMO. I don't like how most of them are condensed into three main featurettes, and there is not a featurette on the casting, which there is one for the other three films.</span>

[Momin327]

My eldest brother has a friend that owns the SE boxset of the Alien movies. They were great.

[Justin]

Originally posted by Virus@Aug 11 2004, 05:50 PM
they should have left the Alien coming from the dog and not that cow.
I just thought the idea that the Aliens take the form of the creature they gestate in was so unbelievable dumb.

I mean, the Alien embryo is just planted into a warm body, like what some insects do with their young. There's no genetic information exchanged there.

H.R. Giger's original design for the Alien in the first film was genius, I don't know why they kept changing it. At least all they did in the second one was add ridges to their heads. But the smooth translucent dome is much cooler.

[Momin327]

You know, the life cycle of the alien was inspired by that of the spider wasp, which lays eggs by stinging the spider in the abdomen, which burst out through the abdomen like the chestburster. Thought you'd like to know.

[Justin]

Right, but the idea of the alien looking like the thing it bursts out of is just someone's goofy idea.

[Virus]

Originally posted by Justin@Aug 11 2004, 10:34 PM
Right, but the idea of the alien looking like the thing it bursts out of is just someone's goofy idea.
yea and no. adds more to the story and such. And I think there might even be a predator alien in AVP. I don't think I'll like that one.

Sniper, whats the funniest scene in Alien extras?

[Ripley the Warmaster]

<span style="color:blue">The funniest part was a little story told by Veronica Cartwright. It's about the shooting of the scene right after Dallas died. There are several takes of the scene. On the third times, Weaver says her line "I'm the captain of the ship." Yahpet Koto(Parker) response is ""You're the captain of the ship? I'm 250 lbs., black as can be. I have a ****ing following, *****! So if you're the captain of the ship, you better ****ing tell me!" They do a new take. Koto comes up to Weaver, and she says, "I'm the captain of the ship!!" Koto then says, "Ok." style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

While I was looking this up, I was reading in the booklet that came with the set. Interesting that this agrees with my views on the Alien Legacy.</span>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>By the time the second film, Aliens, was released, it was clear that the story wasn't simply a tale of evil aliens on the rampage. At its heart was the story of one women's desperate fight to save mankind from being obliterated by an alien lifeform which needed human bodies in order to reproduce. It was the story of Ellen Ripley.[/b][/quote]

[RollaFett]

I just watched the entire 'Aliens' two disc set last weekend and was pretty damn impressed with it all. Good featurettes, nice audio commentary, and it was nice to have the Director's cut.
I plan on getting 'Alien' as well, but just haven't yet.
I don't remember too much about 'Alien 3', but I know that I didn't hate it. Is it as good as 'Aliens', as far as all the extras go?

[Ripley the Warmaster]

<span style="color:blue">The extras are good on Alien 3, but it is the weakest of the four movies, IMO. Better than a lot of movies. I suggest you at least rent it so you can watch the special edition of 3.</span>

[P-Ray]

Originally posted by Sniper Wolf the Warmaster@Aug 14 2004, 06:42 PM
<span style="color:blue">The extras are good on Alien 3, but it is the weakest of the four movies, IMO. Better than a lot of movies. I suggest you at least rent it so you can watch the special edition of 3.</span>
I really liked Alien 3 believe it or not, I just hated that they killed off Nute style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif

All that effort to keep her alive in Aliens, and then she's killed in the beginning. I don't get it. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/giveup.gif

[Ripley the Warmaster]

Originally posted by P-Ray+Aug 14 2004, 08:04 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(P-Ray @ Aug 14 2004, 08:04 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-Sniper Wolf the Warmaster@Aug 14 2004, 06:42 PM
<span style="color:blue">The extras are good on Alien 3, but it is the weakest of the four movies, IMO. Better than a lot of movies. I suggest you at least rent it so you can watch the special edition of 3.</span>
I really liked Alien 3 believe it or not, I just hated that they killed off Nute style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif

All that effort to keep her alive in Aliens, and then she's killed in the beginning. I don't get it. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/giveup.gif [/b][/quote]
<span style="color:blue">After watching the movies a lot, I feel Hicks and Newt's death are very Alien. The original had the feel of you don't know who will die next. Alien 3 is just carring that tradition.</span>

[P-Ray]

Originally posted by Sniper Wolf the Warmaster+Aug 14 2004, 08:39 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Sniper Wolf the Warmaster @ Aug 14 2004, 08:39 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'> Originally posted by P-Ray@Aug 14 2004, 08:04 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Sniper Wolf the Warmaster@Aug 14 2004, 06:42 PM
<span style="color:blue">The extras are good on Alien 3, but it is the weakest of the four movies, IMO. Better than a lot of movies. I suggest you at least rent it so you can watch the special edition of 3.</span>
I really liked Alien 3 believe it or not, I just hated that they killed off Nute style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif

All that effort to keep her alive in Aliens, and then she's killed in the beginning. I don't get it. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/giveup.gif
<span style="color:blue">After watching the movies a lot, I feel Hicks and Newt's death are very Alien. The original had the feel of you don't know who will die next. Alien 3 is just carring that tradition.</span> [/b][/quote]
So then what are peoples major grips and hang ups about Alien 3? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/giveup.gif

As I said, I really liked it.

[Ripley the Warmaster]

<span style="color:blue">Besides the said deaths, the theatrical version has some plot holes, people had trouble telling the difference between the inmates, and didn't like the alien design. Side note, it's mainly US audiences who don't like Alien 3. It was received a lot better in Europe and Asia, and actually outgrossed the first two. The special edition basically fills all of the plot holes.</span>

[RollaFett]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Sniper Wolf the Warmaster Posted on Aug 14 2004, 06:42 PM
The extras are good on Alien 3, but it is the weakest of the four movies, IMO. Better than a lot of movies. I suggest you at least rent it so you can watch the special edition of 3.[/b][/quote]

Hmmm, I didn't realize the special editions were available for rent, I'll have to check that out.

[Justin]

All that effort to keep her alive in Aliens, and then she's killed in the beginning. I don't get it. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/giveup.gif [/QUOTE]
Exactly. And the fact that it happens before the movie even starts is even worse.

It's sort of a slap in the face for people who are fans of the previous film.

[Ripley the Warmaster]

Originally posted by GollaFett@Aug 14 2004, 11:21 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Sniper Wolf the Warmaster Posted on Aug 14 2004, 06:42 PM
* The extras are good on Alien 3, but it is the weakest of the four movies, IMO. Better than a lot of movies. I suggest you at least rent it so you can watch the special edition of 3.

Hmmm, I didn't realize the special editions were available for rent, I'll have to check that out. [/b][/quote]
<span style="color:blue">Get the new edition. It's the two discs from the Alien Quad boxset. I know NetFlix has it for rent.</span>

[Virus]

oh this crap about Newt and Hicks dying earlier is just because they didn't want to do a sequel. Beihn will basically only do movies with Cameron and Henn (girl who plays newt) only did one movie in her career. So move on and accept how the writer wrote this film. Maybe its Cameron's fault for making them survive in Aliens. Nah, he's the best writer out there style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[Ripley the Warmaster]

Originally posted by Virus@Aug 15 2004, 04:28 PM
oh this crap about Newt and Hicks dying earlier is just because they didn't want to do a sequel. Beihn will basically only do movies with Cameron and Henn (girl who plays newt) only did one movie in her career. So move on and accept how the writer wrote this film. Maybe its Cameron's fault for making them survive in Aliens. Nah, he's the best writer out there style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif
<span style="color:blue">Agreed. I'm tired of so many people bashing Weaver for Newt and Hicks dieing when the only real part of the script she contributed to was for Ripley to die.</span>

[RollaFett]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Get the new edition. It's the two discs from the Alien Quad boxset. I know NetFlix has it for rent. [/b][/quote]

Netflix, eh? That's the online rental service, right?

[Ripley the Warmaster]

<span style="color:blue">Yep, that's it. I use it instead of local video store. In fact, you can get every disc off the box set from there.</span>

[Virus]

They got them at Blockbuster and Hollywood Video too.

[Ripley the Warmaster]

<span style="color:blue">Sorta off topic, but never trust reviews at imdb.com. I was reading some of the threads about the Alien Legacy, and some of the theories there were complete crackpot.</span>

[Virus]

Originally posted by Sniper Wolf the Warmaster@Aug 17 2004, 02:04 AM
<span style="color:blue">Sorta off topic, but never trust reviews at imdb.com. I was reading some of the threads about the Alien Legacy, and some of the theories there were complete crackpot.</span>
what were they Sniper, please post some?

yea I agree, never trust a site that thinks Godfather part I is the best movie of all time. and who think Lord of the Rings trilogy is the best ever.

[Ripley the Warmaster]

<span style="color:blue">Well, besides the usual conspiracy theories that make Weaver sound like the devil, this one in particular stuck out in my mind.

This dude made a post about the original Alien about how it wasn't good, and Aliens was the best. He was talking about all the technical stuff wouldn't work, ignoring the facts the majority of the tech stuff in all sci-fi films probably wouldn't happen. Said person then made a post about how the Alien Legacy was not made popular until the Aliens SE came out. Now if Alien didn't do well in the box office, why would Aliens have been made? Same argument can be made that if Aliens didn't do well in the box office, then why would have a SE been made five years later? Also the post read like the writer was in the second grade. Horrible grammar skills. I could barely read it.

Well, that's the one I can think off the top of my head.</span>

[Virus]

Sorry sniper but i do agree with him that Aliens is the BEST one style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif but Weaver is not the devil......if she is, then I'm going straight to HELL style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[Ripley the Warmaster]

Originally posted by Virus@Aug 19 2004, 04:22 PM
Sorry sniper but i do agree with him that Aliens is the BEST one style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif but Weaver is not the devil......if she is, then I'm going straight to HELL style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif
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<span style="color:blue">Same here about the hell part. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif</span>

[Ripley the Warmaster]

<span style="color:blue">Yesterday, I got to play Aliens vs. Predator 2 for PC. The marine campaign is a lot like Aliens. Aliens coming out of almost anywhere, can lose health form their blood, and the sound/lighting is perfect. I hear the marine campaign is all aliens except for one predator and a predalien. For a non-Ripley Alien story, it was pretty good.</span>

[RollaFett]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Virus Aug 18 2004, 10:51 PM Post #108
yea I agree, never trust a site that thinks Godfather part I is the best movie of all time. and who think Lord of the Rings trilogy is the best ever. [/b][/quote]


Well, I would have to take issue with the first part of your reasoning as I would have to rank The Godfather pretty damn high on an all-time list, not sure about #1, but I'm not gonna' argue about it either. As far as the second part of your reasoning goes, well, no dispute here. LOTR= overrated, IMO.

Now that I have added absolutely nothing to the actual discussion, feel free to ignore this post and resume what you were discussing. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

[Virus]

haha, its ok Golla....lets keep this thread going!

Don't know how but I'm sure Sniper will think of something

[Ripley the Warmaster]

Sigourney might do an Alien 5 if it goes backs to the roots of the original. (http://www.southflorida.com/news/sfl-ktwwnbinscm12aug23,0,2110971.story?coll=sfe-news-wire)
<span style="color:blue">Just some speculation, but I would enjoy that.</span>

[P-Ray]

Originally posted by Sniper Wolf the Warmaster@Aug 23 2004, 07:28 PM
Sigourney might do an Alien 5 if it goes backs to the roots of the original. (http://www.southflorida.com/news/sfl-ktwwnbinscm12aug23,0,2110971.story?coll=sfe-news-wire)
<span style="color:blue">Just some speculation, but I would enjoy that.</span>
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Really!!!! Now that's a surprise. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[Virus]

Originally posted by Sniper Wolf the Warmaster@Aug 23 2004, 07:28 PM
Sigourney might do an Alien 5 if it goes backs to the roots of the original. (http://www.southflorida.com/news/sfl-ktwwnbinscm12aug23,0,2110971.story?coll=sfe-news-wire)
<span style="color:blue">Just some speculation, but I would enjoy that.</span>
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I just don't see this happening. Sorry to say

[Ripley the Warmaster]

<span style="color:blue">True. I was wondering, what do you guys think about merging this thread with the AVP thread? That would allow one thread for all things Alien/Predator related.</span>

[Justin]

Nope. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

[Virus]

nah, I'm not down with that. mostly because AvP shouldn't even count as a movie

[P-Ray]

Originally posted by Virus@Aug 25 2004, 11:00 PM
nah, I'm not down with that. mostly because AvP shouldn't even count as a movie
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Avp counts to me! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

[Justin]

Well it doesn't count as part of the Alien series.

[P-Ray]

Originally posted by Justin@Aug 26 2004, 01:44 PM
Well it doesn't count as part of the Alien series.
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Virus said AvP didn't count as a movie not an Alien movie. I consider it more of a Predator movie anyhow.

[Ripley the Warmaster]

Originally posted by Justin@Aug 26 2004, 01:44 PM
Well it doesn't count as part of the Alien series.
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<span style="color:blue">I consider Alien, Aliens, and Alien 3 to be the main series. Resurrection and AVP are more like spin-offs, IMO.</span>

[Momin327]

Resurrection a spin-off?

[Virus]

Originally posted by Sniper Wolf the Warmaster+Aug 26 2004, 03:54 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Sniper Wolf the Warmaster @ Aug 26 2004, 03:54 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-Justin@Aug 26 2004, 01:44 PM
Well it doesn't count as part of the Alien series.
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<span style="color:blue">I consider Alien, Aliens, and Alien 3 to be the main series. Resurrection and AVP are more like spin-offs, IMO.</span>
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[/b][/quote]

Sniper and I must share the same brain, because I couldn't agree more that they are all just spin-offs. They were not necessary and don't feel the same as the other flicks.

[Ripley the Warmaster]

Originally posted by Momin327@Aug 26 2004, 04:09 PM
Resurrection a spin-off?
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<span style="color:blue">Virus is right. While I enjoyed Resurrection, it isn't needed for the main story. I consider the main story to be about Ellen Ripley. She died in 3. There actually wasn't any need to make anymore Alien movies since the main character was dead.

Virus, the feel for Resurrection is probably do to the fact that Jeunet used a lot of European style in the movie. Resurrection was the first movie he shot in English.(his others were shot in French)</span>

[P-Ray]

Originally posted by Sniper Wolf the Warmaster+Aug 26 2004, 06:21 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Sniper Wolf the Warmaster @ Aug 26 2004, 06:21 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-Momin327@Aug 26 2004, 04:09 PM
Resurrection a spin-off?
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[color=blue]Virus is right. While I enjoyed Resurrection, it isn't needed for the main story. I consider the main story to be about Ellen Ripley. She died in 3. There actually wasn't any need to make anymore Alien movies since the main character was dead.

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[/b][/quote]

Couldn't the Alien franchise survive w/o Ripley but with a new character and a good story.

Resurrection is my least favorite of the Alien movies, but out of curiousity, what are peoples major malfunctions with it?

[Ripley the Warmaster]

Originally posted by P-Ray@Aug 26 2004, 06:40 PM
Couldn't the Alien franchise survive w/o Ripley but with a new character and a good story.

Resurrection is my least favorite of the Alien movies, but out of curiousity, what are peoples major malfunctions with it?
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<span style="color:blue">I don't have any interest in the Alien franchise without Ripley/Ripley 8.
First, as I have said many times, that is why I watch the movies. Second, there is a strong argument that Ripley is the main reason the series stood out. It has to do with the fact it's the first time a woman is in the main hero. That's shown again in Aliens when she's now an action star. This is AFI's top 100 Heroes and Villains. It has Ripley at number 8 on the hero list when The Alien was at 14. (http://www.afi.com/tvevents/100years/handv.aspx)

I see no point to continue without the star.</span>

[Momin327]

Did Ridley Scott think about doing an Alien prequel or something?

[Ripley the Warmaster]

Originally posted by Momin327@Aug 26 2004, 07:59 PM
Did Ridley Scott think about doing an Alien prequel or something?
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<span style="color:blue">There was talks of Scott doing Alien 5 with Sigourney, but I doubt it'll happen now. AVP was part of it, the other being that Sigourney and Scott are both busy with other projects.</span>

[Momin327]

Damn. It's a shame to see her distanced from her breakthrough character like this.

[P-Ray]

Originally posted by Sniper Wolf the Warmaster+Aug 26 2004, 08:17 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Sniper Wolf the Warmaster @ Aug 26 2004, 08:17 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-Momin327@Aug 26 2004, 07:59 PM
Did Ridley Scott think about doing an Alien prequel or something?
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<span style="color:blue">There was talks of Scott doing Alien 5 with Sigourney, but I doubt it'll happen now. AVP was part of it, the other being that Sigourney and Scott are both busy with other projects.</span>
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What is Sigourney busy with? I don't really follow her career but I don't really see her much anymore.

[Momin327]

Last thing I heard about her was she did "The Village".

[P-Ray]

Originally posted by Momin327@Aug 26 2004, 08:32 PM
Last thing I heard about her was she did "The Village".
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Oh..wonder why! I didn't see that.

[Virus]

Originally posted by Momin327@Aug 26 2004, 08:19 PM
Damn. It's a shame to see her distanced from her breakthrough character like this.
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oh please, she did 3 more movies after her first "breakthrough" character. I think thats enough.

Hey Sniper, I just read that Alien Resurrection has a different beginning for the 2003 version. whats new and different? thanks!

[Ripley the Warmaster]

Originally posted by P-Ray@Aug 26 2004, 08:29 PM
What is Sigourney busy with? I don't really follow her career but I don't really see her much anymore.
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<span style="color:blue">Sigourney does a lot of theatre work, because she was a theatre actor before turning to film. She works at her husband's theatre in New York for about $200 a week. She is also in the film Imaginary Heroes with Jeff Daniels. It's playing at the Toronto Film Festival right now I believe, and the release date is 2/5/05 at commingsoon.net, but I'm not sure acturate they are. Plus IMDB.com has her in a movie in pre-production, but I'd have to check to see the name.

Virus, it has a crew member of the Aurgia(sp?) kill a bug, and spit it onto the window on the ship. It's followed by outside shots of the ship. The main reason I watched the SE is that it deals more with Ripley 8's memories, IE her daughter and Newt.</span>

[Justin]

Originally posted by Sniper Wolf the Warmaster+Aug 26 2004, 04:54 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Sniper Wolf the Warmaster @ Aug 26 2004, 04:54 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-Justin@Aug 26 2004, 01:44 PM
Well it doesn't count as part of the Alien series.
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<span style="color:blue">I consider Alien, Aliens, and Alien 3 to be the main series. Resurrection and AVP are more like spin-offs, IMO.</span>
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I consider Alien and Aliens to be the only chapters of the Alien story because Alien 3 was a total betrayal of the characters and not at all suspenseful or scary, or even as compelling and interesting as the previous films.

[Ripley the Warmaster]

Originally posted by Justin@Aug 27 2004, 01:23 AM
I consider Alien and Aliens to be the only chapters of the Alien story because Alien 3 was a total betrayal of the characters and not at all suspenseful or scary, or even as compelling and interesting as the previous films.
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<span style="color:blue">I think 3 is a matter of taste there. I consider the special edition of 3 to be a lot better than Aliens, and I still believe Hicks' and Newt's death to be very Alien.</span>

[P-Ray]

Originally posted by Sniper Wolf the Warmaster+Aug 27 2004, 07:21 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Sniper Wolf the Warmaster @ Aug 27 2004, 07:21 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-Justin@Aug 27 2004, 01:23 AM
I consider Alien and Aliens to be the only chapters of the Alien story because Alien 3 was a total betrayal of the characters and not at all suspenseful or scary, or even as compelling and interesting as the previous films.
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<span style="color:blue">I think 3 is a matter of taste there. I consider the special edition of 3 to be a lot better than Aliens, and I still believe Hicks' and Newt's death to be very Alien.</span>
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This might have already been discussed but what is better about the SE of Alien 3? I haven't seen it.

[Justin]

Originally posted by Sniper Wolf the Warmaster+Aug 27 2004, 08:21 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Sniper Wolf the Warmaster @ Aug 27 2004, 08:21 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-Justin@Aug 27 2004, 01:23 AM
I consider Alien and Aliens to be the only chapters of the Alien story because Alien 3 was a total betrayal of the characters and not at all suspenseful or scary, or even as compelling and interesting as the previous films.
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<span style="color:blue">I think 3 is a matter of taste there. I consider the special edition of 3 to be a lot better than Aliens, and I still believe Hicks' and Newt's death to be very Alien.</span>
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We'll just have to agree to disagree then. Alien 3 didn't feel like an Alien movie to me. The only things that really tied it to the first two films were Sigourney Weaver and the Alien, and even the Alien was radically different.

Aliens was different from Alien but still preserved a lot of the same themes, music motifs, and visual style. Alien 3 was just completely different. And Alien 4 was just way out there, who knows what was going on there.

[Ripley the Warmaster]

Originally posted by Justin@Aug 27 2004, 01:53 PM
We'll just have to agree to disagree then. Alien 3 didn't feel like an Alien movie to me. The only things that really tied it to the first two films were Sigourney Weaver and the Alien, and even the Alien was radically different.

Aliens was different from Alien but still preserved a lot of the same themes, music motifs, and visual style. Alien 3 was just completely different. And Alien 4 was just way out there, who knows what was going on there.
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<span style="color:blue">Fine by me. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif At least you're not posting any weird conspiracy theories. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

P-Ray, the SE of Alien 3 is 30 mintues longer than the theatrical. The beginning has an alternate way that Ripley is found. Clemens is walking around a beach, and finds Ripley laying the beach. This helps to show Clemens is different than the other prisoners, and forshadows a bit about the Ripley/Clemens relationship.

Second, there is a prayer given by Dillion before the meeting were Andrews tells the prisoners about the EEV. This shows the religious part of the prisoners.

Third, the Alien comes out of an ox instead of a dog. Not much change on the story. Now lets go to the cafertia. There is a whole sub-plot between Golic, Boggs, and Rains.(the first three prisoners to encounter the alien) It helps fill in the complaint that some people had about the prisoners being too much alike. Ripley's first encounter with the Alien is a tad longer. The whole fire sequence is at least three times longer, and you see the actual capture.

Next, you see Ripley and Aaron talking. They contact the company to get permision to kill the Alien, and they request is denied. At the same time, Golic releases the alien from the nuclear waste containment area.(this is a whole 10 minute sequence that the theatrical release skips.)

The rest of the movie is mostly the same, except Ripley's death. The queen embryo doesn't burst out when she falls into the lead works. This a more powerful meaning, IMO. It deals with Michael Bishop's offer that the company will remove the queen from Ripley if she went with him. Since the theatrical has it chestburstering, Ripley would have died on the way to the ship. With the SE ending, Ripley could have survived the movie if she went with Bishop. That maker's the part that makes the ending more powerful.

People who hate the movie because of Hicks/Newt's death will probably still hate it. For people like me, who didn't mind the deaths, this makes an average movie become a great movie. This is the largest case of the SE of a movie being better than the theatrical. I strongly urge all Alien fans to watch the SE of 3, even people who didn't really care for it..</span>

[P-Ray]

^Thank you! I need to either buy the Quadrilogy or rent it. The boxset of the Alien Legacy just has the original theatrical movies, right?

[Ripley the Warmaster]

Originally posted by P-Ray@Aug 27 2004, 10:17 PM
^Thank you!* I need to either buy the Quadrilogy or rent it.* The boxset of the Alien Legacy just has the original theatrical movies, right?
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<span style="color:blue">I believe so. All of the special editions/director's cut, except Aliens, was made for the boxset. I also say get Quadrilogy instead of Legacy. Quadrilogy is easily the best setup for a boxset on the market right now. A must have for Alien fans.</span>

[Justin]

I bought the Quadrilogy box set because at the time there were no apparent plans to release the films individually, and I wanted all the bonus features and the two-versions of the films.

When they came out with them all individually with the same bonus features I was kind of pissed, because I would have just bought Alien and Aliens, had I known they would have been available without the other two sequels. So I basically wasted about 40+ bucks buying the box set.

[Virus]

Originally posted by Sniper Wolf the Warmaster+Aug 26 2004, 10:26 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Sniper Wolf the Warmaster @ Aug 26 2004, 10:26 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-P-Ray@Aug 26 2004, 08:29 PM
What is Sigourney busy with?* I don't really follow her career but I don't really see her much anymore.
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Virus, it has a crew member of the Aurgia(sp?) kill a bug, and spit it onto the window on the ship. It's followed by outside shots of the ship. The main reason I watched the SE is that it deals more with Ripley 8's memories, IE her daughter and Newt.</span>
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Thats it? Thats not very special

[Ripley the Warmaster]

Originally posted by Virus@Aug 29 2004, 07:39 PM
Thats it?* Thats not very special
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<span style="color:blue">Jeunet says in the intro for the SE of Resurrection that he prefers the theatrical edition. It's like the director's for Alien, it's more a case of teaking with the film, not major changes for the films like in Aliens and Alien 3.</span>

[Virus]

Yea I would have to say that I like Aliens extras the best. I still have alot more left on the 2nd discs to watch for Alien and Alien 3....

I'm just a diehard fan of Cameron, thats why I got that dvd first and like that movie the most

[Justin]

I've put in the bonus disks for Alien 3 and 4 but I wasn't motivated to go any further than the featurettes on developing the stories, to see where those ideas came from. Those movies are really just not interesting to me. I truly wish I had not bought the Quadrilogy.

[Virus]

Originally posted by Justin@Aug 30 2004, 11:37 PM
I've put in the bonus disks for Alien 3 and 4 but I wasn't motivated to go any further than the featurettes on developing the stories, to see where those ideas came from. Those movies are really just not interesting to me. I truly wish I had not bought the Quadrilogy.
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ebay my friend, ebay style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blush.gif

[P-Ray]

Originally posted by Justin@Aug 30 2004, 11:37 PM
I've put in the bonus disks for Alien 3 and 4 but I wasn't motivated to go any further than the featurettes on developing the stories, to see where those ideas came from. Those movies are really just not interesting to me. I truly wish I had not bought the Quadrilogy.
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I want the whole Quadrilogy. I'm a whole collection kinda guy nomatter how good all the movies are. I have the entire boxsets of Superman, Batman, Robocop, Star Trek, Jurassic Park, etc.,etc.

[Ripley the Warmaster]

Originally posted by P-Ray@Aug 31 2004, 06:41 AM
I want the whole Quadrilogy. I'm a whole collection kinda guy nomatter how good all the movies are. I have the entire boxsets of Superman, Batman, Robocop, Star Trek, Jurassic Park, etc.,etc.
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<span style="color:blue">Get the japanese one. They have a cool alien head to keep the discs in.</span>

[Justin]

I was watching Aliens with my little brother earlier today, and I noticed how there is so much in that film that connects it to the first one, it really feels like a continuation of the story. Alien 3 and 4 were so far removed from the source material that they hardly seem like sequels, just completely different movies that feature a character named Ripley and an alien with a big head and a tongue that sticks out.

[Virus]

Originally posted by Justin@Aug 31 2004, 04:24 PM
I was watching Aliens with my little brother earlier today, and I noticed how there is so much in that film that connects it to the first one, it really feels like a continuation of the story. Alien 3 and 4 were so far removed from the source material that they hardly seem like sequels, just completely different movies that feature a character named Ripley and an alien with a big head and a tongue that sticks out.
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Please explain.... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[Ripley the Warmaster]

Originally posted by Justin@Aug 31 2004, 04:24 PM
I was watching Aliens with my little brother earlier today, and I noticed how there is so much in that film that connects it to the first one, it really feels like a continuation of the story. Alien 3 and 4 were so far removed from the source material that they hardly seem like sequels, just completely different movies that feature a character named Ripley and an alien with a big head and a tongue that sticks out.
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<span style="color:blue">It deals with the way the films were made. The directors of 3 and Resurrection each have very different styles than Scott and Cameron. Juenet in particular used a lot of European style in making Resurrection. It was also the first film he shot in English. I actually consider 3 to be a lot closer to the original than Aliens. Also I've always considered Resurrection to be a spin-off, not a direct sequel.

Speaking of Resurrection, I watched the SE of it earlier. I enjoy the film more everytime I see it. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif</span>

[Justin]

How is Alien 3 closer to Alien than Aliens?

Aliens shares a lot of the same musical and visual motifs, and the way the camera deals with the Aliens themselves is the same. The sound of the heartbeat in the background during the scary moments. There is a similar use of music, editing, camera work and tense situations to create suspense.

None of that is in the third and fourth films, which makes them just not feel like they are part of the same story.

[Ripley the Warmaster]

Originally posted by Justin@Aug 31 2004, 09:16 PM
How is Alien 3 closer to Alien than Aliens?

Aliens shares a lot of the same musical and visual motifs, and the way the camera deals with the Aliens themselves is the same. The sound of the heartbeat in the background during the scary moments. There is a similar use of music, editing, camera work and tense situations to create suspense.

None of that is in the third and fourth films, which makes them just not feel like they are part of the same story.
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<span style="color:blue">I feel Alien 3 is closer to Alien in a few ways. The single alien is the obvious. Also 3 has a slower pace like the original, when Aliens had a faster pace do to it being an action movie. I feel the soundtrack for 3 is great for the movie, and I actually prefer it to the first two.

Of course, this is just me. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif</span>

[Justin]

OK, your connecting points are a single Alien and a slower pace. That's two things. The visuals in Alien 3 are nothing like the ones in Alien, and there are many shots, camera moves, lighting etc. in Aliens that are meant to be similar to the first film to create a continuity. The visual style in Alien 3 is much more different from Alien than Aliens is.

And I can understand you liking the soundtrack for Alien 3, but it is COMPLETELY different from the first film and includes none of the original themes, whereas the score for Aliens had a lot of the same themes and motifs. I like the music in it too, but there's no continuity.

I also feel that Ripley is not quite right in Alien 3 either. I find it hard to believe that she's such a ho that she'd bed down some creepy doctor she knew nothing about, and then is doing all that lame pillow-talk? I mean, come on.

[Ripley the Warmaster]

Originally posted by Justin@Sep 1 2004, 11:10 PM
OK, your connecting points are a single Alien and a slower pace. That's two things. The visuals in Alien 3 are nothing like the ones in Alien, and there are many shots, camera moves, lighting etc. in Aliens that are meant to be similar to the first film to create a continuity. The visual style in Alien 3 is much more different from Alien than Aliens is.

And I can understand you liking the soundtrack for Alien 3, but it is COMPLETELY different from the first film and includes none of the original themes, whereas the score for Aliens had a lot of the same themes and motifs. I like the music in it too, but there's no continuity.

I also feel that Ripley is not quite right in Alien 3 either. I find it hard to believe that she's such a ho that she'd bed down some creepy doctor she knew nothing about, and then is doing all that lame pillow-talk? I mean, come on.
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<span style="color:blue">It didn't seem to different for me, but different strokes for different folks I guess. I'm not in a mood for a big debate, so I'll let it stand as it is.(reason for no debate is not related to GS)

Justin, have you played Aliens vs. Predator 2? The marines portion is a lot like Aliens.(only see one predator and a predalien) Plus you get to play as an alien in the different life cycles.</span>

[Justin]

Why not? If you feel strongly about it then you should explain your feelings.

Really, there is no continuity between the films after Aliens other than Ripley and the Alien, and I believe they mishandled both.

Let me ask you this; which order did you see them in originally?

[Momin327]

I've got a question about the timespan through the movies. I know 57 years pass between Alien and Aliens, and about 200-300 years between Alien 3 and Alien: Resurrection. But how much time passes between Aliens and Alien 3?

[Ripley the Warmaster]

Originally posted by Justin@Sep 4 2004, 12:21 AM
Why not? If you feel strongly about it then you should explain your feelings.

Really, there is no continuity between the films after Aliens other than Ripley and the Alien, and I believe they mishandled both.

Let me ask you this; which order did you see them in originally?
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<span style="color:blue">Resurrection, Alien, Aliens, Alien 3. That might be a reason for my like of the last two because of the fact I saw Resurrection first.

Momin, I think it's a week or so.

*EDIT*
Justin, I had a thought about the Ripley/Clemens thing.(lets see if I can word this right. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif, also need to watch the scene for final confirm) I recall the scene having the two in clothes while lying down. This could be interupted as one or both of them wanting to be by someone do to being apart from their loved ones for so long.(got this idea from the scene in Cold Mountain with Natalie in it)
This of course is a lot of conjection because we are given no information on Ripley's relationship with her daughter's dad, any loved ones Clemens had on Earth, and been a bit since I've seen 3</span>

[Virus]

Originally posted by Momin327@Sep 4 2004, 12:36 PM
I've got a question about the timespan through the movies. I know 57 years pass between Alien and Aliens, and about 200-300 years between Alien 3 and Alien: Resurrection. But how much time passes between Aliens and Alien 3?
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anyone anyone?

[Justin]

Who cares? lol the third and fourth don't count anyway haw haw! LOL!!

I just watched the Aliens DVD with the commentary, and James Cameron said the exact things I was saying.

He really reinforced what I was saying about the continuity between the first two films and the lack of it in the third and fourth.

He said that he tried hard to make Aliens blend seamlessly from Alien, and he studied Ridley Scott's style and use of the camera, and used that style even though it was not entirely similar to his own, in order to create strong continuity between the films.

Regarding Alien 3, he said that "it was a slap in the face to fans of the previous movie" which is what I said word-for-word.

He said that he admired what David Fincher did on Alien 3 visually, but that you shouldn't put your own stamp on it in a way that disregards the previous film and what fans of the previous film want.

[Ripley the Warmaster]

Momin, here's a timeline for all your Alien whens, wheres, and whats. (http://time.absoluteavp.com/)
<span style="color:blue">Justin=comedy king. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif
I have to respesectfully disagree with Cameron. I'm not claming to know more about the franchise or filmmaking(which I don't know more), but to me, Alien 3 flowed well. I was able to find a good movie out of the mess that was the Alien 3 shoot.(watch the 3 extras for all that info) I also know not all Alien fans find 3 to be a slap in the face because it did well in Asia and Europe. All in all, I just prefer what was in 3 over Aliens.</span>

[Justin]

Ok that's fine, but you can't deny that there is strong continuity between the first and second films which is lacking in the third one.

See, because you saw the fourth movie first, you probably don't see the need for there to be any kind of structural and thematic unity between the films because the one you saw first is so radically different from the first film. It is visually similar to the third and that's probably why you feel that there is so much of a link between it and the first two films, but there truly is not.

I'm not saying you can't prefer Alien 3 to Aliens, if that floats your boat then fine, but it really is very far removed from what was established in the previous films, and yes, to the majority of fans of the series, it was a serious disappointment that they would just write off those characters that we cared so much about in Aliens, and in a way that was very insensitive to the viewers.

[P-Ray]

http://www.moviehole.net/news/4205.html

A possible update!

[Justin]

Actually that's pretty much all old news. Ridley Scott and James Cameron have both talked about working on Alien 5 for several years, with Scott saying they planned to team up- Cameron would write the script and Scott would direct- which would be a fanboy wet dream, lol.

James Cameron is probably out because he has been very outspoken against Alien vs. Predator, saying that it would signal the death of the series.

Ridley Scott is more open about it and said that 20th Century Fox was waiting to see how Alien vs. Predator did before they would make Alien 5, so he's definitely onboard.

[Ripley the Warmaster]

Originally posted by Justin@Sep 8 2004, 04:28 PM
Ok that's fine, but you can't deny that there is strong continuity between the first and second films which is lacking in the third one.

See, because you saw the fourth movie first, you probably don't see the need for there to be any kind of structural and thematic unity between the films because the one you saw first is so radically different from the first film. It is visually similar to the third and that's probably why you feel that there is so much of a link between it and the first two films, but there truly is not.

I'm not saying you can't prefer Alien 3 to Aliens, if that floats your boat then fine, but it really is very far removed from what was established in the previous films, and yes, to the majority of fans of the series, it was a serious disappointment that they would just write off those characters that we cared so much about in Aliens, and in a way that was very insensitive to the viewers.
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<span style="color:blue">I was thinking back to our convo over 3's music. I was watching 3 earlier(up to Ripley going bald). While Alien/Aliens music is different than 3's, I found a bit of similarity. The first two movies scores are different than the one for 3, but they go around with their moods. I felt 3's help set up the dark atmosphere of the movie. It went along well with it the movie, much in the way of first two.

I'll give you the point that seeing Resurrection first probably plays a bit on how I view the others. First impressions usally stick. While I do find Resurrection to be the weakest of the films now, it's still enjoyable for me.

About the fan reaction to 3, I went over to boxofficemojo.com to see the grossings of the film. After converting the inflation to today's money, here is the order that I got.

1. Alien-comes out to $256,682,895 US today.
2. Alien 3-comes out to $236,387,847 today.
3. Aliens- $216,902,603 today.
4. Alien Resurrection-$215,763,690 today.(tickets prices were an average of like $4.15 in 97 and now $6.15 now. :O)

I'm finding an interesting similarity between the first three Alien and the first three SW movies. First one does the most, second one is usally the most loved by fans but made the least, and third one made more than second but is considered the worst by critics. (I've seen negative for Jedi, but never seen negative for Empire or New Hope) I think your statement about fan dissapprovement is do to the fact the last two got bashed the most in the US, but was enjoyed more in Europe and Asia. I know Giler said on the reaction to 3 featurette that most of the money was made overseas, and it was a huge hit in places all over Europe and Asia.(names South Korea by name) I also consider 3 to be one of those films that got a bit more of a following the years after the release, and now with the release of the SE of it.

P-Ray, I had to wipe the drool off of my keyboard. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif If it goes through, I have the utmost faith in Scott(my favourite director of the four, and he will only do a sci-fi movie from now on if the script is VERY good), and I've enjoyed everything I've seen Sigourney in so far.</span>

[Virus]

Originally posted by Justin@Sep 7 2004, 11:46 PM
Who cares? lol the third and fourth don't count anyway haw haw! LOL!!

I just watched the Aliens DVD with the commentary, and James Cameron said the exact things I was saying.

He really reinforced what I was saying about the continuity between the first two films and the lack of it in the third and fourth.

He said that he tried hard to make Aliens blend seamlessly from Alien, and he studied Ridley Scott's style and use of the camera, and used that style even though it was not entirely similar to his own, in order to create strong continuity between the films.

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are you James Cameron?

[Justin]

ha! I wish, man.

[Ripley the Warmaster]

Originally posted by Justin@Sep 10 2004, 02:43 PM
ha! I wish, man.
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[Virus]

I still don't see Cameron or Scott doing another of these films.

[Justin]

James Cameron probably won't now that they made Alien vs. Predator, but Ridley Scott said that he would definitely be involved in some capacity.

If it's just a continuation from Alien 4 then I don't want to see it. I didn't find the Ripley Clone to be an interesting protagonist. I know Sigourney Weaver liked it because she got to act crazy, but come on.

[Virus]

Originally posted by Justin@Sep 12 2004, 01:38 AM
James Cameron probably won't now that they made Alien vs. Predator, but Ridley Scott said that he would definitely be involved in some capacity.

If it's just a continuation from Alien 4 then I don't want to see it. I didn't find the Ripley Clone to be an interesting protagonist. I know Sigourney Weaver liked it because she got to act crazy, but come on.
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yea she can be sorta weird. I love how in the ALIENS commentary Cameron states that Weaver wanted to die and make love to the alien. Of course he didnt want that but she got her way in the next two films. what a freak, but such a hottie.

As for Scott doing another Alien movie, I take back what I said. I now think he will do a sequel but he did do Hannibal (horrible movie too but thats another thread).

I'd be down for a prequel and only a prequel. But it has to be action packed and artistic. I think they were trying to do that with Alien 4 but failed.

[Justin]

I want to see "what if Alien 3 hadn't happened and Hicks and Newt survived, and it's twenty years later."

[Virus]

Originally posted by Justin@Sep 13 2004, 11:18 PM
I want to see "what if Alien 3 hadn't happened and Hicks and Newt survived, and it's twenty years later."
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and go for the cheesy explaination of "oh no...........it was all a dream" how lame! Plus how would you explain them being older (20 years).

I think I only use this forum now to discuss Aliens. Thats sad thinking back as how I use to always talk about Star Wars or Matrix or Lord of the Rings. Just not interested in those movies anymore

[Ripley the Warmaster]

Originally posted by Justin@Sep 13 2004, 11:18 PM
I want to see "what if Alien 3 hadn't happened and Hicks and Newt survived, and it's twenty years later."
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<span style="color:blue">You can probably find an Alien 3 script with them living. There is like around ten different scripts for it. One of them had ten people in powerloaders fighting ten alien queens. I know the novels Earth Hive, Nightmare Asylum, and The Fema