Star Wars: Clone Wars

[P-Ray]

A fantastic start. I love the longer episodes and some of the CloneTroopers firepower.

[James T. Skywalker]

Wow.

Continuity wise... that first episode sucked.

~JTS

[Sam Kenobi]

EXACTLY! I love the series, but their not being very smart with it. Posted from another CW topic. There are too many CW MS topics around, IMO. Anyways:

Originally posted by Sam Kenobi+Mar 22 2005, 01:34 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Sam Kenobi @ Mar 22 2005, 01:34 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-Brian@Mar 21 2005, 07:44 PM
Loved every moment of it. But what's the deal with the Council Members? Isn't Even Piell supposed to be dead?
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That's exactly what I kep thinking about. My three "problems" (that I remember) with the Clone Wars Series are:

1) Why is Padme and Yoda on the same starship. Where are they going?

2) The Council. IIRC, half of those guys shouldn't be around right now. I though some of them were gone by AotC. I'll investigate this.

3) The continuity. The CWMS doesn't seem to go with the EU as EU goes with other EU. (I hope that made sense) It can work, but it's confusing. I'll have to investigate.

It's still awesome, but a wee bit confusing.

Other EU type questions, if I may ask. I know I'm in the spoiler section style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/banghead.gif but could someone tell me which EU that Obi-Wan is made a council member?

And in LoE, is Padme pregnant. I read it, but for whatever reason, I can't remember.
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[Sam Kenobi]

I was so excited. And then I realized that I'm not going to be home tomorrow. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/banghead.gif I hope mom will press record for me.

[Sam Kenobi]

Originally posted by Sam Kenobi@Mar 22 2005, 04:08 AM
Her is my "research" on the subject. If I had the widescreen AotC DVD, I could tell who the ?s are. In the spoiler box is just a name, and a couple word description. Not that big of deal, but I am being safe as opposed to sorry. If someone could watch Chapter 9 on tthe AotC DVD, so I could fill it in . . . BTW, there is no order here.

Episode I Council Members

Mace Windu
Yoda
Ki-Adi-Mundi
Depa Billaba
Eeth Koth
Even Piell
Saesee Tiin
Yarael Poof
Oppo Rancisis
Plo Koon
Yaddle
Adi Gallia

Episode II Council Members

Mace Windu
Yoda
Ki-Adi-Mundi
Shaak Ti
?
?
Saesee Tiin
Coleman Trebor
?
Plo Koon
?
?

The Clone Wars Micro Series (and possibly Episode III) Council Members

Mace Windu
Yoda
Ki-Adi-Mundi
Shaak Ti
Eeth Koth
Even Piell
Saesee Tiin
Obi-Wan Kenobi
Oppo Rancisis
Plo Koon
Kit Fisto
Adi-Gallia <div onClick="openClose('56a1363b3886d1f339bff233a0dd4021')" style="font-weight: bold">[ Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide]</div><div id="56a1363b3886d1f339bff233a0dd4021" style="display:none">or Stass Allie, her cousin (that looks just like her. TOS says its Stass Allie, but what happened to Adi?)</div>
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[TuskenRaider1]

I dunno, I thought it was alright, though some continuity issues do exist. Is this supposed to lead directly into the movies? If so where does that leave LOE? Is it supposed to run parallel or be something else for a different crownd to get them into the movie? Garrrgh.....should be explained...

[TuskenRaider1]

Need TiVo or DVR NOW!!!!

[Valin Kenobi]

Originally posted by Sam Kenobi@Mar 22 2005, 04:37 AM
EXACTLY! I love the series, but their not being very smart with it. Posted from another CW topic. There are too many CW MS topics around, IMO.

True. And I just merged a couple of them in this forum.

What I was thinking was separate threads for each new episode, and this thread would stay open for general discussion. I tried to split off these last few posts into a 21 thread but I guess I don't have that power.

[Luminara Skye]

Seems like there will be a bit of a time gap in the continuity. All the pictures I've seen of Anakin in Season III he had long hair. So maybe tonights episode will jump forward a bit. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ohwell.gif

All in all, I enjoyed it!

[Luminara Skye]

My DVR is ready to roll! Then it's off to Wal-Mart to buy Seasons 1 and 2! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif

[brookie]

Originally posted by JediKaputski@Mar 21 2005, 08:19 PM
not too shabby, the first part was great, i loved the custom paint job on the LAAT/i and the clone with the quad lasers strapped to his chest

but, i don't think the love story translates well to the cartoon medium...
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i dont have any problem with the "love story", but i did not enjoy padmes voice or her huge bug eyes!!!! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

[brookie]

Originally posted by TuskenRaider1@Mar 22 2005, 10:20 AM
I dunno, I thought it was alright, though some continuity issues do exist. Is this supposed to lead directly into the movies? If so where does that leave LOE? Is it supposed to run parallel or be something else for a different crownd to get them into the movie? Garrrgh.....should be explained...
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i havent read LOE, but i was talking to T bone (who has) and he and i think that both LOE and the clone wars series will both lead into ROTS, just from two different story lines or something, or two different paths of the same story you know?

[Luminara Skye]

^I hope that's the case! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif

[TuskenRaider1]

Yeah that would be cool....

[Luminara Skye]

I would really hate if it contradicted LOE. But seeing as Ep. 21 sees Anakin being knighted and at the beginning of LOE he's been knighted for awhile, I gather, since his hair has grown. It may all work out. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

[Master Magnus]

Originally posted by TuskenRaider1@Mar 22 2005, 04:29 PM
Need TiVo or DVR NOW!!!!
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Won't a good, old VCR do?

Hopefully the OS will put it online soon...

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

Well Chapter 22 was quite interesting. Was the baby wookie supposed to be Chewbacca, I wonder?
It was so nice to see my lovey ( style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/inlove.gif Aayla Secura style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/inlove.gif ) up and fighting again, but she should've been able to kill the spider-tanks herself without dumb Anakin style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif
I love General Grievous, but if he touches her... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/vader.gif I'll be dealing with him style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/vader.gif

I wonder if Lucasfilm will get the idea from the outstanding number of people watching CWMS that they should make a full Star Wars cartoon series. I've been wanting them to do so since the Special Edition Star Wars were re-released in '95-96.

[Darth Whaler]

Was that Eeth Koth with a red saber? Or was that supposed to be purple? Either way, what's up with that?

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

You got me. Lucas isn't doing to good with lightsabers lately, and about seven months later he'll remember "Oh wait, that's not the right color" and then make up a short story about how the character lost his old lightsaber and.... blah blah blah...

~GAT

[Sam Kenobi]

Originally posted by Grand Admiral Thrawn@Mar 22 2005, 08:02 PM
You got me. Lucas isn't doing to good with lightsabers lately, and about seven months later he'll remember "Oh wait, that's not the right color" and then make up a short story about how the character lost his old lightsaber and.... blah blah blah...

~GAT
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[Sabrina Fried]

Anyone know if the OS and/or Cartoon network online version are going to be Hyperspace and/or USA IPs only this time?

Sabrina

[James T. Skywalker]

Originally posted by Grand Admiral Thrawn@Mar 22 2005, 06:50 PM
Well Chapter 22 was quite interesting. Was the baby wookie supposed to be Chewbacca, I wonder?
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Umm... no? Chewbacca's 200 years old in Episode IV... he's not gonna be a baby in Episode III...

~JTS

[Tarkin the Ewok]

I enjoyed the first two chapters of Season 3. In particular, Dooku sparring with Grievous was beautiful.

One question I have is this: How did Anakin get that scar on his face, and when (both in Earth time and continuity-wise) did it happen?

[Luminara Skye]

I think Anakin got his scar from Asajj Ventress in one of the comics. I don't know which one, though.

[Darth Fool]

Yeah In LOE it mentioned that he got it from Ventress. No idea when it happened though.

[Brian]

Download link, but you still must have Hyperspace: http://video.starwars.com/aol/us/moviefone...er22_480_dl.mov (http://video.starwars.com/aol/us/moviefone/movies/2004/lucasfilm/hyperspace/auth/chapter22_480_dl.mov)

[Sam Kenobi]

On Chapter 23:

Originally posted by Sam Kenobi+Mar 23 2005, 05:41 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Sam Kenobi @ Mar 23 2005, 05:41 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-jedijaybird@Mar 23 2005, 05:20 PM
Tonight episode 23 was awesome!

• Purple & Green Jedi Interceptors
•*Allusion to Vader on Anakin face in the tent… (triangular shapes uder the eyes)
• Mace playing bucking bronco on a Vulture droid
• Saesee Tinn is a bad a$$ MF especially with his cool T-visor helmet
• Yoda & Mace force throwing droids & ships all over the place
• Palpy about to be kidnapped…

Tomarrows looks right from the LOE book with GG and the train…

Awesome episode!!!!
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On the contrary, as awesome as these are, they just completely F style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/censored.gif ed the entire CW EU. Granted that the end of the episode looked like the part before Palpatine goes on the train, but Mace and Padme and Ani and Obi is all different. I am very dissapointed in this.
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[Sam Kenobi]

I thought Cartoon Networks didn't need Hyperspace.

[RebelRoss0587]

Does anyone know if the rumor I heard about the last episode being a lot longer is true?

[Luminara Skye]

I hadn't heard anything, but it's possible.

[Luminara Skye]

You shouldn't need Hyperspace to see it on Cartoon Networks site... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/scratchchin.gif

[Darth Rebelo]

"I think Anakin got his scar from Asajj Ventress in one of the comics. I don't know which one, though."



Republic #71: Dreadnaughts of Rendili 3
http://www.starwarz.com/clonewarseu/battles/30.htm#Coruscant

[Sam Kenobi]

Yea . . .

[Luminara Skye]

^Thanks for the link! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif

[Ithorian guy]

Originally posted by RebelRoss0587@Mar 23 2005, 08:44 PM
Does anyone know if the runor I hard about the last episode being a lot longer is true?
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yes, it will be twice as long

[Valin Kenobi]

Originally posted by Valin Kenobi@Mar 22 2005, 12:16 PM
What I was thinking was separate threads for each new episode, and this thread would stay open for general discussion. I tried to split off these last few posts into a 21 thread but I guess I don't have that power.
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Screw it, I just combined it with this thread.

By the way, who moved my #21 thread to prequel spoilers and merged it?

[Sam Kenobi]

I was wondering what happened to it.

[Tarkin the Ewok]

While I enjoyed Volume II of this micro-series, I just cannot reconcile it to the established continuity of the comics and novels. Therefore, I will consider it Infinities unless I hear a brilliant explanation.

[Sam Kenobi]

Originally posted by Tarkin the Ewok@Mar 25 2005, 10:43 PM
While I enjoyed Volume II of this micro-series, I just cannot reconcile it to the established continuity of the comics and novels. Therefore, I will consider it Infinities unless I hear a brilliant explanation.
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Completely agree. I prefer LoE's story to this one.

[Luminara Skye]

^Definitely! LOE was much, much better.

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[Ripley the Warmaster]

Originally posted by Luminara Skye@Mar 26 2005, 01:35 AM
^Definitely! LOE was much, much better.

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<span style="color:blue">But I like the mutant tribesmen that Anakin saves in the last episode. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ohwell.gif </span>

[Suzanne (ex CoS Leia)]

Originally posted by Tarkin the Ewok@Mar 26 2005, 03:43 PM
While I enjoyed Volume II of this micro-series, I just cannot reconcile it to the established continuity of the comics and novels. Therefore, I will consider it Infinities unless I hear a brilliant explanation.
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You may be interested in what Leland Chee (Tasty Taste) has had to say over at TOS forums about the continuity issues:

http://forums.starwars.com/thread.jspa?thr...6444&start=0257

The cartoon portions of Nelvaan take place just after they are mentioned in Labyrinth. The placement of the scenes (in both the novel and the cartoon) make it appear that certain events are taking place simultaneously for dramatic effect when they actually are not.

With any story, writers choose only those parts of the events that they can effectively portray and they feel is crucial to the story they are trying to tell. Hence you don't get the full picture of everything Mace Windu does during the Battle of Coruscant just by watching the cartoon or just by reading the novel. Even within the same scene, you might not be getting the entire picture of all the events taking place because of what the camera or writer focuses on (hence Stass Allie is not seen with Shaak Ti in the cartoon; these events are taking place just offscreen [see The2ndquest 's earlier post for a possible order of events].)

One other thing to keep in mind is that the target audience for the cartoons and the novels is different so they will each have a different approach to storytelling. As a result, certain action scenes and Jedi abilities sometimes will be exagerated in the cartoon a bit.

In conclusion, each story was created to be enjoyed independently of the other*. Enjoy them for what they are.

*Note that the online comic strip "Reversal of Fortune" acknowledges both sources and was written with both the cartoon and novel in mind.

[Ithorian guy]

that explains alot

[Bretsch]

Originally posted by Suzanne (ex CoS Leia)+Mar 27 2005, 12:43 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Suzanne (ex CoS Leia) @ Mar 27 2005, 12:43 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-Tarkin the Ewok@Mar 26 2005, 03:43 PM
While I enjoyed Volume II of this micro-series, I just cannot reconcile it to the established continuity of the comics and novels.* Therefore, I will consider it Infinities unless I hear a brilliant explanation.
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You may be interested in what Leland Chee (Tasty Taste) has had to say over at TOS forums about the continuity issues:



One other thing to keep in mind is that the target audience for the cartoons and the novels is different so they will each have a different approach to storytelling. As a result, certain action scenes and Jedi abilities sometimes will be exagerated in the cartoon a bit.

In conclusion, each story was created to be enjoyed independently of the other*. Enjoy them for what they are.

*Note that the online comic strip "Reversal of Fortune" acknowledges both sources and was written with both the cartoon and novel in mind. [/i]
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I think thats it. They're supposed to be enjoyed separatley.

[Gaelic-Jedi]

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wow chapter 25 was seriously kickass!!Shakk ti can handle herself quite well according to this and it looks like Mace Windu could kick Grievous ass with one hand tied behind his back style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/saber.gif although continuity issues bug me and im a big fan of the comics/books I found his to be a good watch and have just watched the ENTIRE series back to back from the start(glad that i had taped it)and its good,although that animation wears on you a bit after 25 straight chapters

[RollaFett]

I watched all 25 staright through as well and didn'treally mind the animation. I got used to it pretty quick.
What is up with these continuity issues I keep hearing about, anyway? Bear in mind, I don't read any books or comics and if the answer involves spoilers, skip it.

[Gaelic-Jedi]

Originally posted by GollaFett@Mar 29 2005, 05:06 PM
I watched all 25 staright through as well and didn'treally mind the animation. I got used to it pretty quick.
What is up with these continuity issues I keep hearing about, anyway? Bear in mind, I don't read any books or comics and if the answer involves spoilers, skip it.
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well man if your not into the books or comics its nothing you need to worry about enjoy it for what it is,no point spoiling it for you over something your not into style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/beer.gif

[Sam Kenobi]

Well, this last season had basically threw out the existing EU. The last seasons had a few errors, but they were acceptable, because they were made fairly early. For one, in the first episode, some of those Jedi on the Council are dead or gone. When he is to be made a knight in Jedi Trial, he has long hair. When he is knighted in episode 21, he has short hair. The timeline of events is very sketchy over the next few episodes. And as for the Battle of Coruscant, the Jedi are now in 2 places at once.

In LoE, Mace, Shaak Ti, and others (maybe, I don't remember) are in the sub-basement of 500 Republica (the appartments where the senators, including Palpatine, live) investigating Sidious, when the battle starts. Shaak Ti, Stass Allie, and the Talz and Ithorian Jedi (I think thats right, maybe a few are off) go to protect Palpatine, and the cartoon is almost the same there. But in the book, a gunship attacks the appartment, not Grevious himself. Since his appartment is compromised, Palpatine's red guard surround him, and they leave, but not via the turbolift to Palpatine's shuttle. They board a public train, joined by Mace and Kit. Then Grevious attacks, but Mace basically kicks his but. Meanwhile, Yoda is in a communications center, trying to break through the separatist jamming and contact the other Jedi across the galaxy. And Padme was in the Senate when the attack started. She meets up with Bail and Mon Mothma, and their speeder is shot down. Some Vulture fighters touch down and deploy to walking mode (the Episode I droid fighters). The three senators try to take them out. Then they hide. So Palpatine gets off the train, and into a shuttle with Shaak Ti, Stass Allie, the Talz and Ithorian Jedi board a gunship, and are accompanied by another gunship. After the shield is temporarily lowered to allow the two gunships in, they land, and Palpatine is ushered to "safety." Mace goes to look for Grevious, who was knocked off the train. It turns out that Grevious and some Magna guard were on the other shuttle. They blow up and kill a bunch of guards and the Talz and Ithorian Jedi. They may not even be Talz and Ithorian, but I'm doing this from memory. Anyway, Shaak Ti and Stass Allie try to get in the bunker, which Grevioius somehow had codes to. Mace and Kit arrive to late. I don't remember what happens with Stass and Shaak, not really. Basically, Grevious escapes with Palpy. The communications come back up (I think) and the Jedi pursue Grevious, including Sasae and maybe Mace, to try to get him before they reach a capital ship. A few Jedi make it aboard, but are quickly dispatched. Anakin and Obi-Wan were at another planet, Tythe, IIRC, with Republic forces. They engaged a Seperatist fleet, and went down to the planet to try to catch Dooku, which was just an attempt to delay them. After the battle, they recieve a message that Coruscant is under attack (I don't remember who). They leave, just Obi and Anakin, by themselves, and leave it at TO BE CONTINUED.

Keep in mind that I'm reciting, or typing this from memory. I am probably missing a few details, or confusing a few facts, but this is the jist of it. Also, I am doing the book NO JUSTICE. I really recommend this book, even if you don't read EU. It's that good. At the very least, rent the book from a library, and read the Battle of Coruscant stuff. It's good, and you wont be too confused jumping in the middle/

[Luminara Skye]

Originally posted by Sam Kenobi@Mar 29 2005, 11:50 AM
When he is to be made a knight in Jedi Trial, he has long hair. When he is knighted in episode 21, he has short hair.
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When I read Jedi Trial, I understood that Anakin still had his Padawan haircut even though the picture on the cover showed him with long hair. IIRC style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif

[Sam Kenobi]

Interesting . . . I heard this from Nathan Butler.