The Gap of Time: 18 Years Between the Trilogies.

[Darth Vegas]

There have been several questions running through my head, for quiet a while.

1. Will Padme die in Episode 3? If not how will it happen between the PT and the OT?

2. Will the Rebel Alliance arise in Episode 3? If not when?

3. What are Vader and Palps' up to between the trilogies? Why aren't they after the twins? Palps' does know about them, but why not hunt them down? Are they busy hunting Jedi, or are the Jedi defeated, except Yoda and Obi-Wan in Episode 3?

What happens between the trilogies?

Any theories, any thoughts, put them down.

[JediBendu]

1. Padme will die when a star destroyer lands on her head style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/evil.gif

2. Maybe a 'resistence' will form, Bail Organa vowing to Yoda to keep the fight against the Emperor, as he departs for Dagobah. Alderaan will probably be a major planet that starts open disapproval of the Empire - it would make it's destruction that much more poignant.

3. 'The Emperor new, as I did, that if Anakin were to have any offspring they would be a threat to him.' - obi, anh

Palpatine and Vader set about the business of consolidating power, building up the military, and ensuring that fear is the first word on everyone's lips when the wake up in the morning.
I'm pretty sure Palpy doesn't know about Anakin's offspring because Anakin didn't know and Vader only found out after the DS.

[Obi-Stu]

3. 'The Emperor new, as I did, that if Anakin were to have any offspring they would be a threat to him.' - obi, anh

Palpatine and Vader set about the business of consolidating power, building up the military, and ensuring that fear is the first word on everyone's lips when the wake up in the morning.
I'm pretty sure Palpy doesn't know about Anakin's offspring because Anakin didn't know and Vader only found out after the DS.

I agree with you here JediBendu, Although I think we could easier quess what will happen between 3 and 4 once 3 has been completed.

As soon as Vader finds out about Luke, he stats looking for him imediately. Infact I think the word "Obessed" is used.

[Brian]

The gap of time. 20+ years between the trilogies., What happens in between?

There will be lots of SW books published for us EU fans. *Too bad for those that don't enjoy EU. :D

[Darth Vegas]

DO NOT POST UNTIL YOU HAVE READ THIS WHOLE THING.


Actually, for the most part I think EU sucks big time.

The authors that write the EU just do not capture the same feeling and heart that the core story has, mostly because half of them are not big fans of the saga.

Fans can do it so much better than most of them, there are a few that a really good, namely James Luceno's Cloak of Deception, and Darth Maul: Shadow Hunter. Timothy Zahn's novels totally suck, poor dialogue, the stories are really unclear, they just suck.

If alot of fans got in some small groups and did some real brainstorming, we could come up with some good stuff.

No one, however, will ever do it as good as GL.

Also, keep in mind that GL is not closed to changing his original ideas, or those of the EU. At this point the whole thing about Anakin, Padme, and the Twins, is really weak.

I've heard people suggesting the most stupid ideas, like they won't see eachother the whole film, and Padme will not be pregnant at the beginning, but we'll fast forward to the future and see her giving birth and dying after the core movie.

It's going to be like all of the films, same story structure, same kinda plot devices. Nothing totally different than what we have seen so far.

So what happens in between? We do not know, but we can speculate.

[Martini]

I think that Anakin will know that Padme is pregnant. But he might believe that she dies before giving birth to the kid so he then goes crazy, kills tons of Jedis, gets beat up by Obi and becomes Darth Vader. So this is why he wont be looking for Luke after Episode 3. He'll just think his son or daughter and wife died. But im wondering how he will get tricked into seeing Padme die, or maybe she dies and is somewhat brought back by the force thru Yoda, just to give birth for Luke and Leia

Also, IMO, the only things that need to happen in those 20 years are the rise of the Empire, rise of the Rebellion, luke getting older, and the diminishing of the Senate. nothing much that we need to see

[Brian]

Originally posted by Agent Bond A.KA. TK-007@Aug. 26 2002 - 09:33
DO NOT POST UNTIL YOU HAVE READ THIS WHOLE THING.
Was that meant for me?

[Darth Vegas]

The rise of the Empire will happen in Episode 3. That is what TPM & AOTC have lead us to, in fact I wouldn't doubt the title will be "Rise of the Empire", that one's kinda obvious.

I truly believe that a Rebel faction will be formed by the end of Episode 3, but not like what it is in the OT, sort of a pre-ot Rebellion. Something that will lead to more and more star systems rebelling against the Empire.



If they do make new books between 3 & 4, they seriously shouldn't include Luke or Obi-Wan in any of them, jsut wouldn;t make sense. But they could include Leia, Han, Chewbacca, the droids, Mon Mothma, Jabba the Hutt, Boba Fett, Emporer Palpatine, Grand Moff Tarkin, pretty much all those charaters in the same stories. But they better do it damn good.

[TEXAS]

Hey Bond, how is it goin'?
I personnally think that the gap in between Ep.II & Ep.III is going to be longer than we think, like 5 years, to allow Boba Fett to be old enough to kill Mace Windu, and for The Death Star to be in almost completed, maybe not as a weapon, but just a space station, then i would picture the difference between the PT & the OT to be about colors at the end.
TPM was green, yellow, red, AOTC was purple, orange and blue, Ep.III will be brown, beige and gold. while the OT is black, grey & white. Before and after the rise of the EMPIRE

[Darth Vegas]

The first official statement I heard was four years, and then I heard 2 or 3 from RM.

Even with five years Boba will only be 15, maybe clonetroopers will storm (hence their future name) into the Jedi Temple and Windu will stand his gaurd alone to protect it, and then Boba gives the final blow. I really don't think he'll die in a lightsaber duel, just doesn't seem to work that way. Boba has to kill him!!!!! It's just the way it is!!!!! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[Martini]

Agent Bond, i dont think you and i are ever gonna agree on something. maybe someday

but it would be a huge disappointment to see Mace go out by a little kid. so lame. it would be like Anakin in TPM to kill off Maul, that would have been so lame. Mace is gonnna be the last jedi killed, it'll make it more meaningful. and it'll be done by Darth Vader.

[NIGHTTRAVELER]

The entire story of the Star Wars saga is about the rise and fall of one Anakin Skywalker. *By the end of Ep. III, Anakin will have risen to glory, and fallen from grace (Main plotline of the prequel trilogy). *A New Hope starts the story of his redemption (Main plotline of the original trilogy). *

* * * This being the case, nothing happens in between the two trilogies. *This is the down time where Luke grows up, and Ben and Yoda wait patiently. *

*The secondary plotline of the prequel trilogy is the rise of Uncle Palpy, wich will also be complete by the end of Ep. III. *As also, the secondary plotline of the OT is the fall of Uncle Palpy's Empire.

* * Again, this being the case, nothing happens in between.
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style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/grouphug.gif * As far as the EU stuff goes, I don't give it much weight in the "real" Star Wars universe, but I do apprieciate its value as far as giving a story to some of the character that we see in the films but never get to know.
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[Martini]

doesnt everyone here wish we could have one more episode of vader......like episode 3.5 or something.......something to fill those 20 years. im sure something interesting had to happen

[Darth Vegas]

Now that Martini/Megahulk, would be great. But you couldn't call it that, you would have to ditch the episode part.

Perhaps a plot involving a Jedi lead Rebellion, and at the end, Palpy and Vader's efforts to kill the last of the Jedi, only leads to greater Rebellion. :scratchchin:

[Darth Vegas]

Vader can't kill Mace, he'll only be a learner, and he won't even be Vader until the end of the film, read what they have on the official site. Anakin was injured at the hands of his old Master Obi-Wan, that is what it says.

If this is so, there is no way Vader will kill Windu, not to mention the fact that it will only be a regular Star Wars movie, one lightsaber duel, 2 to 2 1/2 hours long at the most.

Will Boba kill Windu? Maybe not, but it would be prudent to do so, not to have him fight Windu but to have him take up Windu's saber after he is already badly injured, and take his head. Now that would be cool!!!!! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/cool.gif

But, also, Mace could die fighting either Dooku, or Palpatine, or both. Who knows.

Or maybe that new bad guy they've mentioned will kill him. I wonder who is that new bad guy? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/scratchchin.gif

Maybe that "new guy" will survive Episode 3 for Episode "3.5". :)

[JediBendu]

What about a completely interactive, fully vr, rpg computer game that starts at the end of ep3. *You've got 20 years of game time to fill - not that daunting considering the next format after dvd. *You could try and organise a rebellion across thousands of systems, not just the few you get to organise in today's games. You could save the galaxy AND win on to Princess Leia before she realises that she's Luke's brother. Actually, you could erase Tatooine from the Jedi archives style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif
Unfortunately, it would take a decade or so just in coding style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif

[Darth Vegas]

That would be awesome man!!!!

I have thought of that for many years now, not as a game between the PT and the OT, but somewhere within Star Wars.

Maybe an RPG of the entire saga, including some time, before, between, and after? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/scratchchin.gif

To bad Lucasarts doesn't except outisde ideas!!!!!!

[Martini]

and he won't even be Vader until the end of the film, read what they have on the official site. Anakin was injured at the hands of his old Master Obi-Wan, that is what it says.


wow, that quote you just wrote COMPLETELY says that the Obi-wan/Anakin duel DEFINATELY will be the last fight scene. fooooool. course its what the website says cause thats all they can tell us cause thats what everyone knows! if GL told us there would be that duel and then one more between Vader and Obi-wan, he'd be spoiling the movie for us.

If this is so, there is no way Vader will kill Windu, not to mention the fact that it will only be a regular Star Wars movie, one lightsaber duel, 2 to 2 1/2 hours long at the most.


yea but always expect the unexpected. this wont be your usual star wars movie. theres gonna be about 3-4 saber duels, but i bet there will only be 2 long ones. the one that will be short will be vader vs tons of jedis and him winning.

but agent bond, your a fool. you never have any logic in your thinking. you must 15. so theres only gonna be one saber scene cause thats your regular star wars flick, sure sure. so we got obi-wan and anakin........oh wait, what ever happened to that nice Dooku fellow.....oh i bet he just fades away and is never seen again. that would be nice. yea and im with you agent bond, i dont wanna see multiply lightsaber scenes, i only want one. you suck!

[Darth Opinionated]

Bond does have a really good point, most likely it will be a regular length Star Wars film, none of GL's films have been longer than 2 1/2 hours, none of them. Making Episode three that long would ruin the rythym and rhyme the saga has.

A three hour Episode three with more than one major lightsaber duel, is nothing but a stupid fanboy wetdream. It is not going to happen that way.

[Darth Vegas]

Do not even think about arguing on this thread Martini.

The point of this discussion has nothing to do really, about how long Episode 3 is or how many lightsaber duels will be in it.

Read the heading.

[Ken-OB]

I don't think Padme will die in E3. I believe she'll be in exile hiding from Anakin when Obi-Wan and Yoda take her and the kids to safer ground where a brooding Anakin won't find them. As a result, the kids are seperated to protect their fates. The whole reason for this exile is because Padme is fearing the monster she once knew as Anakin, but is a changed man because of allegiance to Palpatine (this is before the Vader transformation). Considering that Palpatine is strong enough to block the Council from knowing that a Sith is in control of the Senate, maybe he's strong enough to find Padme and perhaps poison her to a slow death (a couple of years). This way, Padme lives long enough for Leia to remember her. We don't have to see Padme die, but we know for certain that she will not survive much longer.
I think we will see a small band of Rebels coming together but to keep the "dark feeling" promised for this film, we must be led to think that this small band still has no hope of any victory by the end of the film.
Finally, perhaps we can see various shots at the end of E3 showing Vader and a few of his assassins wipe out one Jedi after another in succession - again making the end of the film feel dark and completely hopeless.
Imagine:

1. a slo-mo shot of a deathly ill Padme on Alderaan barely being able to hold her own baby girl (geez, it almost hurt to write that since I have two little girls)
2. a quick shot of Vader smashing into a meeting place and effortlessly slicing a Jedi in half, leaving everyone else in the room alone and quickly leaving for more hunting (remember, he HELPED exterminate the Jedi, not all by himself)
3. a shot of Ben going to Tattoine with the baby boy
4. a shot of another Jedi murdered almost effortlessly
5. a shot of Yoda arriving on Dagobah with a look of pure despair and hopelessness
6. you get the idea of another dead Jedi, maybe you just see his remains
7. a gloating Palpatine, not even pretending that he's innocent of anything, simply acknowledging without saying a word that he and Sidious have been one and the same
8. a shot of the Jedi Library with dead Jedi bodies
9. Ben handing the baby boy to Owen and a voice-over by Ben explaining that the Jedi are incapable of protecting Luke while we see an image of:
10. the Jedi Council Room full of lifeless bodies on the floor
11. Owen looking in disbelief over the fate of such a small child in his arms.
12. Ben to Owen, "that boy is our last hope..."

Roll credits, folks!

[Ken-OB]

By the way, I forgot to answer something:
Why doesn't Sidious know about the twins?
Perhaps because the same block that Sidious has over the Jedi in E1 & E2 for them not to see a Sith in the Senate is similar to a block that the Jedi have to keep the twins from being discovered. It's not strong enough to hide Padme (yes, Sidious is crafty and sly), but the kids are safe.
I mentioned that Anakin will have some sort of allegiance to Palpatine before falling to the Dark Side. During this allegiace, Anakin will be forced to fight with Obi-Wan, which will destroy him physically, although Obi-Wan thinks he's dead.
So, that's how Anakin calls out to Palpatine for help in keeping him alive - secretly from everyone else Anakin once knew. Once Palpatine saves Anakin, the transformation begins. Palpatine addresses himself to his new apprentice as Sidious while saying Anakin is dead. You are now Darth Vader, or some-sorta-such-stuff. When Anakin realizes he has gone too far to be saved, it's too late, and he simply gives in to it and does his master's bidding. He has no wife, no Jedi Order, and no friends - Sidious, and the lies Sidious tells him, is all he knows. That hatred and deception feeds itself, and BOOM you'e got Annihilation City!

[Martini]

Ken-OB......... I like your ending to EP 3. But how long do you think that would last? id like to see that expanded to about 15 mins or 20. that'd please me.


as for you agent bond, yea i know this thread isnt about what happens in EP 3 or how many saber duels there are. but you were the one you said that there will only be one duel when EVERYONE knows there will be at least 2. i was simply correcting your error

[Ken-OB]

That whole ending I made-up would probably sit around 10-15 minutes if I had a say... which of course, I don't!
But wouldn't it be cool to see all of that happening with the music swelling in the background - so much so that it almost drows out the lightsabers striking down the Jedi - then all falls silent as Ben says that last line to Owen.

Ooohhh, I'm getting chills.

Geez, I ca'nt wait.

[Martini]

cause we gotta have vader kicking major ass throught this movie cause then by the time we see him FINALLY fall and lose, it'll be at the end of himself in ROTJ and by his own son.


so i got a good feeling vader will have 20 mins of action screentime. he can be the new bad guy and he doesnt need much of an introduction sicne we already know alot about him and his introduction to the whole SW universe would probably happen in the 20+ year gap

[Zane Marit]

OK...where do I start in this thread...

First thing I want to say is to Ken OB...DAMN!!!!!!! great thought on the ending...I can actually visualize something like that on the big screen...GL is not real big on the montages, but the ideas you have are very...very GOOD. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbsup.gif

Personaly I don't think Padme will be killed off in 3 for reasons I have already posted...

The EU is very entertaining, but you are correct about the author making the difference on whether or not the story is good. Timothy Zahn although a little looong in his stories is by far the best of the Star Wars authors. His attention to detail on the background makes the stories that much better. Stackpole and Allston are next on this list...Just read the X-wing series and you will know why...I thought it would be odd to read about the SW characters and not have a hint of Jedi or lightsabers, but I was pleasantly surprised...and glued to the story line. Cloak of Deception was an excellent story, most of the other PT books are a waste. Shadow Hunter was also a good story (it was hard to get attached to characters you knew were going to die though :unhappy: )

As far as a vr online game allowing you to control events in the SW universe, there is a little game that is due out soon galled SW Galaxies. It is set slightly before ANH. Vader is alive and at his bad*ss best. You can choose what YOU want to do. Form a rebellion, become an imperial stormie, drive AT ATs...whatever...I have attached a link so you can get a better idea about the game.

http://www.lucasarts.com/products/galaxies/default.htm

Click on the Gallery link to see screen shots and a video style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

Last point I have is this: GL decides what is in the films, who is in the films and for how long...Not us(bummer :angry: )!!! Its not up to us who kills Mace and how...As long as he goes out like the bad mutha****er he is...then I'll be happy...which I am sure you all will be as well...I see that once again my time on the soapbox is at an end...

Peace.

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[Ken-OB]

Originally posted by Zane Marit@Aug. 27 2002 - 14:56
OK...where do I start in this thread...

First thing I want to say is to Ken OB...DAMN!!!!!!! great thought on the ending...I can actually visualize something like that on the big screen...GL is not real big on the montages, but the ideas you have are very...very GOOD. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbsup.gif
Why, thank you...
Thank you very much!

A little too much time on my hands, I believe...

I'll likely play that scene in my noggin for three years just to keep me from going crazy over not knowing what's really going to happen.

[Blizzard]

but agent bond, your a fool. you never have any logic in your thinking. *you must 15. *so theres only gonna be one saber scene cause thats your regular star wars flick, sure sure. *so we got obi-wan and anakin........oh wait, what ever happened to that nice Dooku fellow.....oh i bet he just fades away and is never seen again. that would be nice. *yea and im with you agent bond, i dont wanna see multiply lightsaber scenes, i only want one. you suck!

Last warning Martini. If you can't communicate without personal insults and flames you'll have to take a little vacation. It's uncalled for and against the rules and many people are complaining.

[Darth Vegas]

You know what I think happens in the gap? 20 birthday parties, for Luke Skywalker, including a nice night with some hot twi-leks on his 18th birthday!!!!

Mmmm twi-leks style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/inlove.gif

[Darth Vegas]

18 years of searching for the Rebel base I think.

If only I could change the title.

[Tovor]

What do you want it changed to?

[Darth Vegas]

From 20+ to 18 years between the trilogies, that is all.

I heard somewhere on an official statement, much newer than RM's statement about Episode 3 being 2-3 years later, that it would be 4 years later. So if you could change that, I would appreciate it.

[Tovor]

No prob. How's that?

[Darth Vegas]

Thanks Tovor.


Now back to the topic, what do you think will happen between the trilogies, and what effect will Episode 3 have in those years, any thoughts?

It does seem to me after watching ANH a million times over, that Vader will spend alot of time searching for the Rebel base.

I just read part of the Starkiller Jedi Bendu scripts, and afterwards I truly do believe that the Rebellion will rise in Episode 3, at least in some form, whatever group of people rebels against the Empire in Episode 3, will eventually become the Rebellion.

What do you think? Put your thoughts down in a nice fashionable way, and please do not start useless arguements, at this point most is all speculation, so be nice. :)

[Martini]

maybe, just maybe the final battle (if there is one) in EPISODE 3 will be the first attack on the empire from the rebels. but it will end in a HUGE lose for the rebellion and will probably also have darth vader elminating the rest of the jedis.

now that would be a dark and evil ending! just as GL wants :)

[JediBendu]

The only huge battle we'll see will be the start. I think it'll be skirmishes after that.

[Darth Vegas]

I doubt that, it will be more like ROTJ, two battles, at the beginning and the end, whose to say that the first one will even be big?

It would suck if they make this one more like ESB, it has to be more like ROTJ, TPM, and ANH, it is called a trilogy, and thats how trilogies are done.


Dark, yes, but it has to end with a battle, or it would not really be the darkest of them all, as GL put it.

[Tovor]

I have trouble with the idea of the Rebellion starting in Ep.III. *It's too soon. *The ANH crawl stated that the rebels had won their first victory against the empire. *If that was the first victory in a gap of 18 or more years, you would think that there would be no rebels left alive and none foolish enough to join. *We could assume that several rebel groups had begun during the gap only to wiped out, soon to be replaced by newer groups, but the crawl indicated the Rebellion as one unified group rather than seperate rebel groups. *We could also assume that until Leia Organa became a senator that the rebels did not have anyone on the inside to provide them with secret info. *We could try to assume any number of things but if Bail and Mon Mothma started the rebellion in Ep.III and didn't win any victories until 2 decades later, then what kind of threat were they to the empire and how could they have remained intact as a fighting force all those years? *I can only see this...that as Yoda heads to Dagobah with Luke, Obi-Wan takes Leia to Alderaan, and Bail Organa tells him, "I will lay the ground work to prepare an uprising to take back the Republic from the emperor. *I do not know how long it will be before we can launch an organized rebellion, but when the time is right I will send an emmisary to you to return you here. *I will need your help most of all, Obi-Wan, if we are to accomplish anything. *Let this be a code between us, that when you hear that I am begging you to help me in my struggle, that you will know the message is from none other than I and that the situation is deadly serious."

I think even if we don't see actual rebel troops preparing for battle (unlikely), we will get a clear understanding from the above that a rebellion will eventually begin. *When ANH starts, for new viewers the subtitle and the words "...have won their first victory against..." will tell them that Bail's plans have finally begun. *That is all, IMHO, we need at the end of III in regards to knowing about the Rebel Alliance.

But that is only my opinion, and I have not considered any other possibilities yet. Anything is possible, but the above is all I can see happening.

[Darth Opinionated]

Well how about this, the Rebel alliance is formed, they lose their first attempt, and for 18 years they hide out on their base. They wouldn't keep on fighting with such a small group. compared to the Empire, untill an opportunity to attack and be successful came about.

Anyway, I don't think we'll see the Rebel Alliance as we know it in the OT in Episode 3, but perhaps several of the head members, Bail Organa, Mon Mothma, and others forming a resistance and fighting against the Empire.

Just a thought.

[Martini]

that could happen opinionated. cause think about it everyone, wouldnt it take some time and money and supplies to form a rebel fleet and army to fight the empire. so maybe they use all of the separitists stuff, lose big time at the end of EP 3 and go into hiding for about 17 years and finally win their first big battle.

maybes you sorta wish there WAS an episode 3.5 so we could see that battle won. damnit LUCAS!

[lordgossamer]

Originally posted by Darth Opinionated@Aug. 30 2002 - 02:56
Anyway, I don't think we'll see the Rebel Alliance as we know it in the OT in Episode 3, but perhaps several of the head members, Bail Organa, Mon Mothma, and others forming a resistance and fighting against the Empire.
How active do you think Mon Mothma will be in the gap? I think it says at the databank that she was with the senate until it was disbanded in ANH. I guess she could be leading a double life, but I imagine she wasn't leading a rebel army...until ROTJ anyway.

[jangofett100]

About there only being one lightsabre duel in each film...remember Maul versus Qui-Gon on Tatooine?

[jangofett100]

Plus, Lucas said that Boba would only be 12 or 13 in Episode 3.

[mtilden]

now that would be a dark and evil ending! just as GL wants
IMO, Episode III will not have a completely dark ending, in fact, I think just the opposite will happen. The movie will indeed be the darkest of them all, however, it will not end on a note of despair, but on a note of hope. The place to look for a hint about how Episode III will end is at the other extremely dark SW movie, namely The Empire Strikes Back. TESB did not end with despair, but with hope, Lando and Chewy leaveing to find Han, Luke saying that he will meet them at the rendevous point on Tattoine and Lando saying 'we will find Han, I promise'.... so the viewer knows that it ain't over yet, that they will come back from that defeat. I suspect that Episode III will similarly end on a note of hope as well. No SW movie will end in total darkness, because George Lucas is the exact opposite of a cynical filmmaker.

[Martini]

yea the only happen part will be Obi-Wan, then called Ben handing over Luke and walking into the desert to hide from the Empire

[jbird669]

TK-007, there have been more than one lightsaber battle in the films: TPM had two (Qui-Gon with Maul on Tatooine). There will be no Rebellion in the form we know, IMO, just the beginnings of one. According to Lucas, there will be one big battle in the beginning and then it gets personal. I think we may see two saber battles this time, maybe three. And we all assume that Vader will kill Dooku with a lightsaber (if he kills him at all). Maybe he uses Force lightning or does what Dooku and Yoda did in AOTC? We dunno. We'll have to wait and see.

And while I do think some people obsess over silly things in this forum, this is a place to share ideas, however weird or crazy they may be.

My .02. Enjoy.

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by jbird669@Sep 3 2002, 09:28 PM
TK-007, there have been more than one lightsaber battle in the films: TPM had two (Qui-Gon with Maul on Tatooine). There will be no Rebellion in the form we know, IMO, just the beginnings of one.
Yeah and Luke fought an illusion of Darth Vader, but neither one of them were full out lightsaber duels, they were both very very short. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif


The Confederacy, is a rebellion, in fact in a few scenes cut from AOTC, the Senate refers to the Confederacy as the Rebellion. :look:

[General Antilles]

Hey, for those of you who are interested, over on JediNet.com, there is a possibility for a storyline of Ep III....it takes what we know so far, and what we've learned in the prequels, and makes a pretty good story....heh, while it may not be the official plot, it's still pretty good fanfic. http://www.jedinet.com/prequels/episode-ii...tfall/index.asp (http://www.jedinet.com/prequels/episode-iii/knightfall/index.asp)

[Mookel1138]

Hey everyone, I was just directed to this thread, thought I would offer an opinion...

007, I believe you stated that fans could come up with something better than the EU authors (correct me if I am wrong in saying that).

Are EU authors not fans themselves? And also, if a fan writes something, it, too, becomes part of the EU, although at the lowest level of Officialdom (a discussion that could go on for pages and pages and pages, I might add.)

I'm just saying, statements that degrade the creativity, originality, and substance of the EU are not really appreciated among most fans. It's perfectly fine to not like the EU, but saying that it "sucks" and is horrible isn't right.

[Rogue_0009]

Originally posted by Agent Bond A.KA. TK-007@Aug 26 2002, 08:33 AM
DO NOT POST UNTIL YOU HAVE READ THIS WHOLE THING.


Actually, for the most part I think EU sucks big time.

The authors that write the EU just do not capture the same feeling and heart that the core story has, mostly because half of them are not big fans of the saga.

Fans can do it so much better than most of them, there are a few that a really good, namely James Luceno's Cloak of Deception, and Darth Maul: Shadow Hunter. Timothy Zahn's novels totally suck, poor dialogue, the stories are really unclear, they just suck.

If alot of fans got in some small groups and did some real brainstorming, we could come up with some good stuff.

No one, however, will ever do it as good as GL.

Also, keep in mind that GL is not closed to changing his original ideas, or those of the EU. At this point the whole thing about Anakin, Padme, and the Twins, is really weak.

I've heard people suggesting the most stupid ideas, like they won't see eachother the whole film, and Padme will not be pregnant at the beginning, but we'll fast forward to the future and see her giving birth and dying after the core movie.

It's going to be like all of the films, same story structure, same kinda plot devices. Nothing totally different than what we have seen so far.

So what happens in between? We do not know, but we can speculate.
I personnally think EU is great with a few exeptions. Why would they write the books if they weren't fans? I've always thought that a lot of the problem has been un lucasfilm liscencing end cuz they put too many barriers and boundries that unneccesary on the authors

[GaViN28x]

Bond you said that the books couldn't capture the same heart and core of the saga, well if u really think that then i think u need to reread the books. The EU shows just as much heart and it is able to bring a more indepth view because a movie can only be so long, or can only show some things, but books can go into those subjects that movies can't. so even thought i respect your opinion i think u should erad the books you are bashing (if u already havent) and maybe see for your self that the EU can rise to the same hight of the movies.

[Darth Vegas]

I read my fair share of them, I've only read maybe 1 or 2 that I liked. The EU books just are not good fantasy, or good literature at any rate in my opinion.


No one can do Star Wars the way GL does it, I would rather not know the intricet details of the galaxy and everything in it, than to read a dumb EU book. I don't except anything Star Wars, unless it comes from GL himself.


Nothing in the EU can rise beyond the genius and popularity that is the Star Wars movies. If the the EU keeps going the way it's going, it will never be able to reach it's highest potential, which would be to perfectly seemlessly expand and conect the entire tapestry of Star Wars, at this point there is no hope for it.

If you want to keep reading the EU and think that it's all good, go for it!!!!! But just remember, when it is all said and done, nobody will ever do Star Wars as good as the man who created it.

[vodo]

the EU has much to do with the swu it lets us see characters develop like luke but bond your irrational thinking has led you to belive that timothy zahn's books sucks. How can you say that they are brilliant books thatlack nothing from the movies. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/y.gif Ia know all

[Darth Vegas]

Sorry I disagree. There are alot of things wrong withZahns books, I read them all, didn't like 'em one bit, but I can see why people of your age would like them, they are very easy to read.

Even before early after ROTJ's release GL said that the Empire was through with after ROTJ, and Zahn apparently didn't catch that, as some of you haven't. I only care about the movies, everything else is really not important to me, perhaps it would be if it was written better.

Anyway, the TOPIC, any ideas?

[James T. Skywalker]

Here's what I believe on this topic:

The Empire is founded around 18 BSW4. Palpatine and Vader have already done a good portion of their work in eliminating the Jedi presence, but there are still Jedi out there. Vader begins his decades long search for the last remaining remnants of his former Order, while Palpatine begins forming what was once the grand Republic built on peace and equality into a humans-only club bent on rule by fear through their gigantic war vessels. The shipyards at Kuat, Fondor, Bilbringi, Sluis Van and Corellia are requisitioned to begin mass producing hundreds of thousands of starships, fighters, landing craft/shuttles, ground equipment and so forth. Coruscant is renamed Imperial Center by the Emperor in order to sweep away the name that had once stood for the decadent jewel of the Core Worlds. Cloning is prohibited, but the clone armies that remained from the Clone Wars remain in service to Palpatine and are fashioned into his "storm troopers." There are the occasional fits of rebellion that are only natural during the transition from a democracy to a dictatorship, but they are quelled easily and are of little significance in galactic events (they won't even inspire the full-fledged Alliance to Restore the Republic [Rebel Alliance] nearly two decades later).

The Empire grows beyond what many would think possible, and thousands upon thousands of Imperial citizens become members of the growing military forces, quadrupling attendance at training academies such as Raithal, Carida and Presbfalt IV. Within five years, there are over 12 million Imperials working in thousands of sectors across the known galaxy, on Star Destroyers or at garrisons, flying TIE fighters or AT-AT walkers, firing turbolasers or mapping the comm channels, all with some purpose to make a grand and glorious Empire.

Of course, there's still Vader's hunt for the Jedi. During his purge, he finds many Jedi (well, not a lot, but a good number) that are willing to serve the Emperor rather than meet their destiny at Vader's hands. They are trained personally by Palpatine's Dark Side adepts, who breed these Jedi as hunters of their own kind. Some are also found to have special talents, and are drawn upon for other duties, such as prophecising, intelligence operations, and so on. The Jedi hunters, known as the Inquisitors, come to be as feared a symbol of the Empire as Vader, if not more so due to the fact that they are rarely seen even by Imperial officers.

The true Rebellion doesn't even begin to be recognized until a decade before the events that transpire near Yavin. Bail Organa, no longer a member of the Imperial Senate, has grown disillusioned by the Emperor's promises and his growing power. He begins forming his own cell of insurgents, who will be based on Alderaan at first, to strike out against the tyranny of the Empire's regime. More and more systems become weary of the Emperor's strangle hold on the galaxy, and begin their own insurrections. Many fail, most before even beginning their campaign. Soon, Organa realizes that a coalition must be formed in order to ensure a real victory against Palpatine and his forces. Representatives from House Organa meet with Corellian, Chandrillan and Sullustan representatives and discuss the formation of a formal Alliance. In the Cantham House on Imperial Center, Organa, Mon Mothma, Corellian Garm bel Iblis, and Sullustan Sien Sovv sign the Corellian Treaty, and Mon Mothma pens the Declaration of Rebellion, and the Rebel Alliance has begun.

However, unbeknownst to the Rebellion, and even to a good percentage of the Imperial heirarchy, is that the Emperor has begun construction upon a weapon of ultimate destruction, and that would ultimately spell doom for the Rebels. Begun 29 years prior to the Battle of Yavin, a design conceived by Raith Sienar and given to Wilhuff Tarkin, a schematic further developed by Geonosian engineers and the genius of scientist Bevel Lemelisk, with components later researched in the secret Imperial installation known as the Maw (inside of a black hole cluster near the Imperial prison planetoid of Kessel) by scientists such as Umak Leth, Nasdra Magrody, and the Omwati youth Qwi Xux, the Death Star was to be Palpatine's ultimate instrument of judgement. Built in orbit of the world Despayre, an Imperial internment facility, the Wookiee slaves and Geonosian craftsmen constructed an enormous facility with the capability of destroying a planet. It was the construction of this device, and it's obliteration of the pacifist world of Alderaan that conspired to bring Luke and Leia, the offspring of Darth Vader, together and for Luke to fulfill his destiny as the last of the old Jedi Order... and the first of the new.

That's what I believe will happen between Episode III and Episode IV. It is based on events of the Expanded Universe, and is, in my humble opinion, one of the possible scenarios of what happens between Episodes III and IV. I leave that up to you, the reader, to decide.

~James T. Skywalker, hero of two galaxies

[Darth Vegas]

Sounds interesting, sounds EU!!!!!!!!!

I kinda do think that's how it may all come to pass, but I do not think that cloning will be banned, the Empire will need to replenish their armies, and of course they will not solely use clones, there will probably be plenty of natural recruits.

As far as the purge, going by dialogue in ANH, specifically some of Tarkin's lines, it sounds like the Jedi were only recently completely done away with, with the exceptions of Yoda and Obi-Wan, who really are no longer Jedi, GL said that once, sounded kind of wierd but all will be unfolded in the next chapter. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[James T. Skywalker]

Oh yeah, the Jedi are still being hunted all the way up to a week or so before ANH. The Dark Woman, one of a few recurring characters in the Ongoing Dark Horse Comics, was killed by Vader not long before the Battle of Yavin, maybe a few weeks or so.

~JTS

[Darth Vegas]

I believe this thread should be in books & comics, if a mod could move it please.

[Plo Koon]

Originally posted by Agent Bond A.K.A. TK-007@Aug 26 2002, 04:43 AM
There have been several questions running through my head, for quiet a while.

1. Will Padme die in Episode 3? If not how will it happen between the PT and the OT?

2. Will the Rebel Alliance arise in Episode 3? If not when?

3. What are Vader and Palps' up to between the trilogies? Why aren't they after the twins? Palps' does know about them, but why not hunt them down? Are they busy hunting Jedi, or are the Jedi defeated, except Yoda and Obi-Wan in Episode 3?

What happens between the trilogies?

Any theories, any thoughts, put them down.
Padme will die in E3. Natelie Portman said it herself.

[Jedi D'oh]

When? Last I read, she was only saying she would be pregnant.

Unfortunatly, the time between the two trilogies will HAVE to be covered in the EU. The only way it wouldn't happen is if the story of III takes place over the whole time gap. I don't really see that happening though. A series of novels/comics will probably be released after III that covers this era.

[Darth Fabulous]

Bond, why did you bump up a thread that has been inactive for more than two months just to say it needs to be moved? Did you dig all night looking for an out of place thread so you can feel like a mod?

[Jedi D'oh]

Bravo, Darth Fabulous!!

I've been saying for awhile it seems like Bond always pretends he's a mod. I'm glad someone else has seen it/spoken on it as well.

[Darth Vegas]

Darth Fabulous, it's my thread, I decide where it goes.

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Since this gap between the trilogies will have to be coverd by the EU, it belongs the other forum, where those that enjoy discussing the EU, can talk about it.

[MegoHulk]

Thats right...don't EVER disagree with Bond...he's got 2900 posts and he's not afraid to use them! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif

[Darth Vegas]

Just stop it, I asked a mod to move the thread because it is mine, I started it, and I think it should go in the EU forum, and if a mod will please do so, as I asked politely before, it is headed that way.