Just Refilm the OT! [Archive] - The Galactic Senate

MegoHulk

08-23-2002, 12:46 PM

After reading the Ultimate edition thread I have to wonder if anyone here is actaully a Star Wars fan at all? It's amazing that anyone could possibly want such drastic changes to a classic set of movies. If the OT is so inferior why not re shoot the whole trilogy? Seriously...just take the original story and make all the changes you guys want then re film it. I mean Mark Hamill is a hack right...and we can find someone who looks more like Natile Portman to play Leia. We could just digitally enhance Han Solo with Harrison Ford still playing him...have Hayden play Vader, Ewan play an old Obi Wan. We could diitally insert Tarkin into it cause he was kinda cool. It could work...all the pieces are there, it'd just take a few more years to do. They could do it like LOTR and shoot 3 movies at once. Well I hope GL will at least be careful while making his "ultimate" edition...he's already tarnished the Star Wars name. Why not just redo Wizard of Oz with digital flying monkies and a CGI Cowerdly Lion...or Gone With the Wind with added CGI civil war battles. Why not rewrite the bible to update it to modern times. I am just shocked so many of you want drastic changes done to the OT. I was under the impression you were fans because you actually watched these movies...not the made up super battles you dream up in your heads. Well let the insults begin. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/banghead.gif

Master Jason

08-23-2002, 12:51 PM

style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/eh.gif Whatever dude style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sleeping.gif

MasterJedi

08-23-2002, 01:07 PM

I think you should Simmer down. We didnt make GL make the OT versions now did we.

MegoHulk

08-23-2002, 01:10 PM

Boy...such witty replies. What do you mean we didn't make him do the OT versions? If they are so inferior why are you even a fan? How old is everyone here anyways, 12? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/unhappy.gif

darth barf

08-23-2002, 04:16 PM

You should relax it is only a movie, RIGHT. People just want continuity throughout the films that is all. yOUR SARCASM obvisously is not helping a legitimate arguement.

Jedi Master Gandalf

08-23-2002, 04:58 PM

Calm the hell down, MegoHulk. We were all fine until you appeared out of nowhere and starting making these outrageous comments.

If you wanted to pick a fight, go do it somewhere else. I'm tired of you and all of your fellow OT purists.

Javen

08-23-2002, 05:21 PM

you have gone Megobonkers

MegoHulk

08-23-2002, 05:22 PM

Its not a question of being a OT purist. What your basically saying is that you'd want to completely change the OT...so why not just re film it? Seriously...if your going to change all the effects music and and add new scenes then why not just re do the whole movie? They've remade lots of old sci fi movies, like the Blob, The Thing, Dracula, etc. Your avoiding the questions here...whats so wrong with the original? Are you a Star Wars fan or just the star wars concept? Because if you were truly a fan of the movies you wouldn't want them to be changed so dramatically. To add all new music, effects and scenes would change the movie into something completly different than the original. So why not just remake the whole thing? Gandalf you seem to be about 15 yrs old, am I right? From all your posts in other threads you strike me as being rather immature. And why should I go somewhere else to argue this point...isn't this a Star Wars message board? I didn't see a sign that said "Fan fiction board...no reality allowed". style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/censored.gif

Jedi Master Gandalf

08-23-2002, 05:27 PM

Nothing's wrong with the effects, they just don't look good opposite the outstanding effects of the PT. The OT's effects need to be redone, as does anything that helps the Prequels flow through better with the OT.

That's it, end of discussion. This thread sucks.

MegoHulk

08-23-2002, 05:28 PM

"megobonkers" did ya think that up yourself or did you hear that on the playground at school? Boy the intelligence is overflowing here today. Isn't there anyone here who agrees with me on this? I can't be the only person left who thinks the OT should be left as it is. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/banghead.gif

Martini

08-23-2002, 05:31 PM

im going with MegoHulk on this one. you should really change around the effects too much. here and there are nice but only when u cant tell they changed them. oh and like the CGI jabba the hutt looks like crap too.

so im guessing in 20-30 years, we should change around the PT cause those graphics will be outdated. see its not about the visuals, its about the storyline and the drama. thats what matters. i still see great special effects in ROTJ

Javen

08-23-2002, 05:43 PM

Originally posted by MegoHulk@Aug. 23 2002 - 16:28
"megobonkers" *did ya think that up yourself or did you hear that on the playground at school? *Boy the intelligence is overflowing here today. *Isn't there anyone here who agrees with me on this? *I can't be the only person left who thinks the OT should be left as it is. * style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/banghead.gif
sorry that I dont agree with you but you dont have to call me unintelligent just because of that.

MegoHulk

08-23-2002, 05:48 PM

Thanks MArtini....thats all I'm saying, CGI is not the answer to everything, especially if it doesn't advance the story. Jabba did look like crap, and Yowza from ROTJ did too. But to change for changes sake is wrong. Did anyone answer me about the Bible? Should we re write that to reflect our modern views and values? To some people SW is almost a religion, and to basically rewrite it would be blasphmy. Well whatever...your a bunch of kids and you do what you want. I can't wait to see an army of Darth MAul clones fight the Madalorians above the lava pit that Anakin falls into after he learns Palpatine is his father and Aurra Sing is his real mother. ??? ??? ??? ???

bodhisattva yoda

08-23-2002, 09:32 PM

i plan on purchasing bootleg copies of the original trilogy which will never be released officially... the original version of the star wars trilogy will always be my favorite.

however, since george has already gone ahead and altered the films with special editions, has gone and made the cgi-heavy prequels and will eventually release ulimate editions of the films, i think it will be interesting to see what other changes he makes. i personally want him to make as many 'improvements' as possible for the sake of visual continuity between the trilogy and prequels.

Jedi Master Gandalf

08-23-2002, 10:03 PM

Good answer. We're discussing that over at "The OT Ultimate Edition DVD". We could really use a friendly face over there.

Darth Whaler

08-24-2002, 12:56 AM

Hulk-you would have loved (or must have loved...if you saw it) a recent South Park episode. They cleverly created an episode which sent out a similar message to the one you're trying to convey. Leave movies the way they are.

I'm kind of torn on the subject. I like the idea of enhancement of original special effects but I'm not too fond of new things added (the Sarlaac worm, Greedo shooting first, etc.) and lines altered (when Han Solo says "I can see a lot better" instead of "trust me.")

Jedi D'oh

08-24-2002, 01:35 AM

heres the problem as i see it....noone really seems to want to get along. are we all forgetting the common thread here is a love of star wars? all opinions are valid ,some may be weak ,some may be strong, but to each individual it has a point.

i saw star wars in 1977. i was 4. (so megohulk, want to call me a child or can't you do the math?) *gratuitous sarcasm*

now that thats out of the way, i agree with changes in the OT to further the storyline of the whole saga. stuff done in the PT can have major contadictions to the OT if not carefully looked at. dont you think Lucas knows this? its his story.

and megohulk, your views on changing the OT are founded, i was upset when i heard of the SEs of the OT. when i saw them i was impressed. i did not like greedo shooting first, thought jabba could be better, but all in all it was a better telling of the story. CGI is not the basis of these movies, but inserting a digitsl yoda into ESB and giving him the freedom of movement he had in AOTC would only enhance the picture and not ruin it. imagine his lightsaber duel and then how he is in ESB. to show him moving better and not hidden by the set will be nothing short of greatness. redoing rhe music and other such scenes is probably unecessary. a total redux of the trilogy would be bad, but further enhancements i see no problem with.

as far as changing the bible to suit our modern ideals, that is done every day. i am not a christian, but i have heard many preachers talk, they all change the bible to suit their own believes and interpretations. hoorah for them! if Lucas wants to change his bible to better suit his beliefs, who can tell him no?

my advice is to sit back and relax, wait for the UE and see if you like it. if you dont, never watch it again. no one is forcing you. if its not to your liking, watch whichever version you like. it is your right. no reason to condescend people who want a better version of their favorite pasttime.

intelligent enough for you yet megohulk? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/scratchchin.gif

bodhisattva yoda

08-24-2002, 01:51 AM

certainly smug enough, anyway.

Jedi D'oh

08-24-2002, 01:56 AM

certainly smug enough, anyway

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MegoHulk

08-24-2002, 03:07 AM

Yes Jedi D'oh...thank you for an intelligent response. I'm about you age and saw all the movies back in the day also. Some of us have made comments about how he changed things in the OT just for the sake of changing them...(greedo shooting first, Hans lines changed, etc). Those things didn't need to be changed, they didn't advance the story at all. My concern is what will be changed next...will we see a digital Haydens face when Vaders mask is removed? Will he change the Ewoks into Gunguns? Will JAr Jar show up in ESB? I admit I'm curious about the ultimate edition but to just change things for no reason is absurd. And yes I saw that South Park episode...very funny and true. I just have a problem with fixing something that isn't broken. Too much CGI will look outdated again in another 5 years, are we going to keep re doing it with every wave of new technology? I respect others opinions and aplogize if I come across as overbearing but I have strong opinions of my own. I think alot can be said about the originals being the best...look how the remake of Psycho did...it was basically the same movie but it lost something when it was remade in color with new effects. Well I guess I've had my say....these are my opinions, like them or not. :angel:

Jedi D'oh

08-24-2002, 04:10 PM

megohulk, your rebuttal to my post was in good form! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif
most people come back with smart a** comment instead of pure curiosity and interest.

that being said, change for the sake of change is wrong. adding a digital hayden face over ROTJ anakin would be a disgrace as would adding a digital ewen over alec guinness.

as for the CGI being outdated, no big deal. Lucas has always said the OT did not live up to his full imagination. CGI has given him the ability to remake his movie as he wants it to be seen. again, enhancements=good...all out change=bad!
so once these are done to his liking, theres no reason to change them to keep up with the technology. its the now that GL wants.

by the way, i agree with you about the Psycho thing.

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DblDwn

08-24-2002, 05:47 PM

Why is it so hard for people to understand that when Lucas made the OT there were characters, locations, etc. that could not have been included within because they would not have made sense without having seen the first half of the saga?

Now, after filming the PT, the inclusion of those things is necessary in order to complete the entire 12 hour movie that this basically is. Why is it necessary do you ask? Because now they will make sense.

It has nothing to do with CGI, refilming a specific scene, or changing certain aspects of the story. It only has to do with completing the saga the way Lucas wants it to be completed and have the story pan out the way Lucas wants it to.

On a side note there is one thing that I agree with Megohulk on..........I wish he was a Muppet also. That way he would be an inanimate object and we wouldn't have to listen to him cry about everything he doesn't like. Get over it and move on already.

Jedi D'oh

08-24-2002, 07:00 PM

exactly, dbldwn. that was the point i was tryting to get across. maybe it didnt come off too well? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/saber.gif

MegoHulk

08-25-2002, 04:46 AM

My supposed "crying over things I don't like" is no different that Gandalf and a bunch of you wetting your selves over wanting a bunch of new scenes added to the OT. I already said I'm done arguing over this crap because there really is no point in it...no matter what GL does it isn't going to be exactly how YOU see SW. I know for a fact that after the UE is released you'll all want more. So fine, thats how you are, I guess I'll live with it...live and let live, right? But you do realize any form of this supposed Ultimate edition won't even be done for at least another 3-4 yrs? I hope you don't build it up so much that you'll be let down when it doesn't include everything you wanted to see. I for one don't care and will certainly not be drooling over it for the next 4 years. And who knows, by then most of you will have hit puberty and become interested in real women, and you may not even care about SW then. Either way, I'm about tired of this conversation...maybe I should make a couple more screen names and start an argument with myself.

DblDwn

08-25-2002, 02:37 PM

Originally posted by MegoHulk@Aug. 25 2002 - 03:46
maybe I should make a couple more screen names and start an argument with myself.
I'd like to encourage you to go ahead and do that as long as you inform the Mods of it as well.

Darth Vegas

08-26-2002, 01:54 AM

Mega Hulk and Martini, this is what you're doing style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/pacman.gif this is what I want you to do, :banghead: .

JediBendu

08-26-2002, 03:50 AM

The OT is and always will be the original trilogy, hence the name Special Edition :scatter:
Remake it? Sure, why not - there isn't a single fan in the world who wouldn't see it for 'idealogical' (or even theological ;) ) reasons.
I recommend reading the Star Wars Infinities comic on A New Hope. It essentially does remake the trilogy and does it with style. :cool:

Martini

08-26-2002, 10:30 AM

im with MegaHulk on this one. im not arguing anymore cause you guys are pathetic on this topic. but this is what im gonna say last in here.......i agree and disagree with you on this "reshooting" topic.

YES..........the final battle on the death star looked ALOT better then the original since GL redid it. i loved how it looked and i guess the better explosion of the DS looked good too.

NO..........if you actually think that Jabba the Hutt looked good as a CGI character, your dreaming and are seeing something else. That scene was good to see since it was added but they should have done something else cause Jabba looked really bad. Just like how some other CGI characters look like in star wars

Darth Vegas

08-26-2002, 10:35 AM

Jabba looked great in TPM, but he sucked in ANH.

They will redo him, have no fear.

MegoHulk

08-26-2002, 12:24 PM

For the record...it's MEGO not MEGA. Just want to make sure your arguing with the right person. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif

Martini

08-26-2002, 12:46 PM

sorry bout that megOhulk.

and i dont think im finished with this thread. its time to keep this argument alive!

dont you guys feel that when "some" stuff is done in CGI, it sorta looks cartoonish? other stuff you cant tell at all. like coresante (sp), or sometimes yoda. but it looked a little cartoonish when anakin got hit by Dooku's lightning and was thrown around a bit. but the worst CGI in all of star wars was when anakin was riding the monster thing on naboo in those grassy fields. that looked aweful. but once again, those water falls in the back looked real. i think its just a lack of some technology that wont be here for a few more years (geee maybe GL should wait another 10 year or so to reshoot the films when he likes that technology better)

Justin

08-26-2002, 11:38 PM

I think that MegoHulk does have a good point that there shouldn't be so many changes to the Classic Trilogy. Personally, I hope they'll release both versions of each film on the DVDs.

It would be cool if you could go and edit the two versions together so you could keep the cool stuff and get rid of the really crappy stuff.

You know, I think the only change that was absolutely necessary was the altering of the finale of Return of the Jedi.

Also, it's not fair to totally tear down on MegoHulk for voicing his opinion just because you don't agree with it.

Winston_Sith

08-27-2002, 03:25 AM

Originally posted by MegoHulk@Aug. 25 2002 - 03:46
I know for a fact that after the UE is released you'll all want more. *
Of course. I will always want to see more Star Wars films made.

I hope GL reconsiders and decides to make VII - IX before he dies.

But you do realize any form of this supposed Ultimate edition won't even be done for at least another 3-4 yrs? *

Yes. But what's that got to do with anything?

I hope you don't build it up so much that you'll be let down when it doesn't include everything you wanted to see.

Me too. Thanks for the kind regards. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

Martini

08-27-2002, 03:28 AM

I hope GL reconsiders and decides to make VII - IX before he dies.

yea but it'll never happen. he's getting too old and worn out. but does anyone here think he'll let someone else direct the movies if he writes them? i think its a good idea. but i dont think id wanna see those episodes cause it doesnt have the two best characters in SW, anakin/vader and obi-wan.

Winston_Sith

08-27-2002, 03:46 AM

Originally posted by Martini@Aug. 26 2002 - 11:46
dont you guys feel that when "some" stuff is done in CGI, it sorta looks cartoonish? *other stuff you cant tell at all. like coresante (sp), or sometimes yoda. *but it looked a little cartoonish when anakin got hit by Dooku's lightning and was thrown around a bit. *but the worst CGI in all of star wars was when anakin was riding the monster thing on naboo in those grassy fields. *that looked aweful. but once again, those water falls in the back looked real. *i think its just a lack of some technology that wont be here for a few more years (geee maybe GL should wait another 10 year or so to reshoot the films when he likes that technology better)
The answer to all of these points is: See it in a digital theater the way George meant us to!

My (few) gripes with the CGI effects in AOTC (many of the same gripes you have, BTW*) were all *erased when I saw AOTC in a digital theater.

Every. Single. One.

*And even a few more non-CGI gripes, like the whole issue of how creepy Anakin's mechanical hand seemed to be, because it looked like Padme was kind of afraid to touch it and all... even after she is married to the psycho.

Darth Vegas

08-27-2002, 03:46 AM

He let others do ESB and ROTJ, why not.

But if they do, it should be completely different characters in a not quiet as long ago galaxy far far away. No one else could fill any of the OT actors shoes for 7-9, it would suck, so conclusion, new charaters.

Maybe the original actors could return with smaller roles, like Luke as the head of the New Jedi Order (no to be confused with those afull books), Leia as the Chancellor, or a Senator, and Han as Commander of the Republic fleet or army. Lando should go back to his old ways, R2 and 3P0, must be involved somehow. But the lead characters should be new, since the third trilogy would be seperate from the others, as ROTJ ended the Empire once and for all!!!!

Martini

08-27-2002, 03:49 AM

maybe do something pre-episode I......like back when supposily the sith were huge and ruled the whole universe or something from what ive heard thoe EU nuts talk about.

Winston_Sith

08-27-2002, 03:58 AM

Originally posted by Martini@Aug. 27 2002 - 02:28
but i dont think id wanna see those episodes cause it doesnt have the two best characters in SW, anakin/vader and obi-wan.
I think I agree.

And I have no idea what those three movies would/could even be about.

Seems like GL may have told all he can tell.

freedom01851

08-27-2002, 10:41 AM

Originally posted by MegoHulk@Aug. 23 2002 - 11:46
Why not rewrite the bible to update it to modern times. *
And the Lord said, '...let there be an internet - *a global communications network consisting of thousands of networks typically interconnected by fiber optic cabling - so that people with far too much time at work and at home to discuss Star Wars and other inane topics.'

obi1kenobi

08-30-2002, 01:50 AM

I don't think that there is any reason why, some day, someone will not re film the whole Starwras story. Look at Planet of the Apes, and any number of other films which have been re-made, sometimes shot for shot (Psycho), sometimes re-arranged completely. Hitchcock himself reshot "The man who knew too much" Three separate times. I think my point is, that once GL is gone, not wishing him any ill, the whole deal becomes more interesting. I, for one, am hoping that one day the "no TV series" doctrine is done away with. Who wouldn't watch a TV show of Rogue squadron? It would s**t all over the drivel of "Enterprise".

Anyway, my point is, that some day, the whole trilogy may be re-filmed. When GL is "one with the Force", episodes 7-9 may be completed, and further installments, either pre- or post the existing films are open for business. George's "redux" of the OT basically allowed him to hang on to the copyright for another 25 years, but he won't be here for ever.

MegoHulk

08-30-2002, 04:02 AM

Let's hope it never comes to that.

Martini

08-30-2002, 10:35 AM

yea some things are meant to be left alone. when you over-do something, it can suck. i hate it when music artists keep on dragging on and on and get worse with every new album they have. why do you think Nirvana, Hendrix, The Doors, Sublime, etc, etc are all so good? its cause we dont have that much of them but what we have is pure GOLD! just like with Star Wars! this is another reason why there should never be a tv show, or to re-shoot too many scenes in the OT, or to do a 3rd trilogy....and the list goes on and on.

maddog62

08-31-2002, 01:02 AM

The Doors Gold, try rust or lead. Sublime Platinum yes.

maddog62

08-31-2002, 01:03 AM

I herd that Rutger Hower is up for Palpatine.

Martini

08-31-2002, 01:04 AM

huh?

maddog62

08-31-2002, 01:15 AM

Its just a Joke lighten up Francis.

nerfer

08-31-2002, 01:19 AM

I posted something in the Ultimate Edition thread, thats kinda relevant to this thread if anyone interested.

Jabba looked rubbish, in Ep1. They should have dragged out the old puppet, filmed it against blue screen and used that. It would have looked better! than the piece of :censored: they put on the screen.

As I posted in the other thread, I can't stand GL's tinkering with the OT.

Or the fact, he won't release it on DVD. He's said that when they all come out on DVD, once its finished, the versions we'll get will be the Special Edition versions. God I hate him sometimes! And I'm a huuuuuuuuuuuuuge SW fan!

Rinc

08-31-2002, 07:41 PM

I have to completely agree with Dbldwn. CGI doesn't need to be added, but things need to be changed slightly to make the whole saga run more smoothly. There were some things pointlessly changed but i'm sure Lucas might change some of them for the Ultimate Editions. I don't think Greedo shooting first has gone down well with anyone.

We can't help but think while watching the OT now about Bail Organa and the senate being dissolved because they have and will be (in Bail's case) prominent parts of the PT. And although i'm not for Padme being inserted into the OT i can't help but think when i watch it now, why is Luek and Leia's mother only mentioned once when she was one of the three most important characters in the PT.

Some CGI should be changed - Jabba in ANH the best example, but i am completely against Yoda being replaced with a CGI one. Sure he doesn't move much but he is old and has deteriorated a lot since AOTC. Leave him be.

MegoHulk

09-01-2002, 02:30 AM

Wow, Rinc sort of agrees with me...cool. Definitly no CGI Yoda...but fix that awful Jabba! I'm certainly not against something that truly helps the story move along, I just object to the ridiculous suggestions made by some people on this board who basically feel the OT needs to be re filmed. BUt hey...I got an idea...let's add Jar Jar into the Death Star scene as the one who saves Luke, instead of Han....."Yousa all okieday Kiddo....Blowsa dissin thing up and lessa be goin home."

JediBendu

09-01-2002, 03:34 AM

The OT has already been refilmed - the THX remastered versions, while not changing the plot or script, are different films.
Ok what about the original Star Wars - the shot where Obi was turning off the tractor beam - it had English lettering. How does that fit in with any of the other films? It doesn't. But GL didn't fix it up - it would have been much easier that having Han walk over Jabba's tail that's for sure.

Darth Opinionated

09-01-2002, 04:08 AM

Unfortuneately for you Megohulk, they have already redone Yoda cgi for the ot, read the latest Star Wars Insider. ;)

MegoHulk

09-01-2002, 04:22 AM

Are you refering to the test scenes they did of Yoda for ESB? *I didn't read the article but if its what I'm thinking of it doesn't mean they'll re-do it for the UEOT. *They'll have to redo TPM too then I guess. *Stupid. ??? As far as the English on the tractor beam...who cares???? I'm sure most people wouldn't of noticed it anyways....besides, I'm sure its in english because the audience needs to know what Ben is doing right? If we just saw him playing with knobs we'd be left wondering if he did the tractor beam or turned on the microwave oven in cell block 1138.

JediBendu

09-01-2002, 04:32 AM

I don't think GL would do it to Frank Oz - there's a scene in the phantom dvd where Frank is watching a shot of Watto, he makes the comment "Jeez, soon you won't even need me anymore'.
They won't replace Yoda in esb - it's Frank Oz that makes Yoda, and there's no way any cg artist (granted they're really, really good) can emulate what he did with just a puppet.

Darth Opinionated

09-01-2002, 04:39 AM

Well they did already redo him in ESB and ROTJ, and Frank Oz said exactly "You don't need me anymore". Not soon you won't need me.

Yoda looked great in AOTC, and the only reason GL decided to do Yoda cgi for AOTC is because of what they did for ESB and ROTJ.

MegoHulk

09-01-2002, 04:50 AM

Ok...why would they have redone all of Yodas scenes already when they aren't going to release the UE for another 4 years? They were test shots to show what a CGI Yoda could do in AOTC...GL liked it and gave the go ahead. It makes no sense to redo Yoda in the OT....it's not like he's flying all over like in AOTC. And like I said...if he did that he's have to redo TPM also. You guys just get all wet over every little rumor or story you hear. You may not like muppets and models but they give the movie an added depth because they really exist. Actors and CGI together often looks silly, like they are talking to a cartoon. CGI and CGI together look great...so are we gonna redo all of the character now? Once you change one thing, where does it stop? Why not just redo it like the Final Fantasy movie...then you can do whatever you want. I'm still holding out for Jabbas big dance routine in the UE. ???

JediBendu

09-01-2002, 04:57 AM

I'm assuming you were referring to the idea of re-filming Yoda as stupid, not other people's opinions.

besides, I'm sure its in english because the audience needs to know what Ben is doing right?
Then why didn't they keep it in English? There's a great shot in ROJ where the shuttle Tyderium is being scanned on the Executor - all with symbols - it makes the feel of a galaxy far far away all that more real. Same with Anakin's pod race
...and I think it's detention block AA-23 style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

JediBendu

09-01-2002, 05:02 AM

Actors and CGI together often looks silly, like they are talking to a cartoon.

I agree - but it's a technology that's only in it's infancy. The Gungan battle scene in phantom was a cartoon - but the same tech was used for LOTR which was improved upon and is going to just go off in Twin Towers.
An human in an alien suit will always be just that. Do you have the same opinion of Watto Mego?

MegoHulk

09-01-2002, 05:19 AM

Yeah Watto looked like a cartoon...but how else are you gonna do a flying alien? And to bring up a point about LOTR...the Orcs are people in costumes. Yes CGI is used in the huge battle scenes but the actual individual orcs are actors. Why, because it would look damn silly to have a bunch of CGI orcs running around or talking to the real actors. I'm clearly not the only one who thinks the OT should be left alone...talking about this here is like trying to convert christians to Islam while standing in a church on sunday. Your gonna believe what you want but you have to realize it might not be the only truth out there.

Darth Vegas

09-01-2002, 05:27 AM

Damn certain point of veiw crap. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

JediBendu

09-01-2002, 05:27 AM

preachin to the converted here mate style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif
but the OT has been left alone - that's why the new versions are called Special Editions. *I'm wondering whether the dvd versions of the OT will actually be the OT and not the spec eds. *I've never liked Greedo shooting first.
For LOTR, individual and group shots were actors, but the wider shots were all cg - they actually created new software which controlled and individualised each element (orcs) on the screen. *They had banks of SUN boxes rendering 24x7 just to keep up.
Twin Towers will blow that (and truth be known, ATOC) out of the water.

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I thought Watto was a lot more convincing that Leeam Neison anyway. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif

Darth Vegas

09-01-2002, 05:29 AM

Before they released the SE, they rereleased the Original OT on video, and said that it would be the last ime to own the OT in its original version. GL has since then said that the original will never be on DVD.

JediBendu

09-01-2002, 05:32 AM

Looks like I'm just going to have to burn a copy myself, dodgy sound and all. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/exclamation.gif

MegoHulk

09-01-2002, 05:33 AM

Originally posted by Agent Bond A.KA. TK-007@Sep. 01 2002 - 04:29
Before they released the SE, they rereleased the Original OT on video, and said that it would be the last ime to own the OT in its original version. GL has since then said that the original will never be on DVD.
Do you have a series of buttons that spout out the same crap over and over again when you press them? I guess I'm a fool for wanting to see a movie the way it was filmed on a DVD format....yeah , I'm such an idiot. Thanks for pointing this news out to me yet again. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif

JediBendu

09-01-2002, 05:41 AM

As I said, burn a copy for your self. You'd still have the classic editions with the blue cover don't you?
One could argue that dvd came out for sole purpose of putting star wars on an everlasting medium. A decade ago people used to refer to the purpose of the internet as Star Wars and porn (not necessarily in that order).
What about the deleted scenes from phantom being included back into it?
I'm looking forward to the deleted scenes from atoc being included - esp when Dooku picks up the second lightsaber during his duel with Yoda.
dvd offers that - there's sooo much space on a disk they could easily put the [unaltered] OT on with the supplementary disk, calling it 'The first attempt' or something style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

Darth Vegas

09-01-2002, 06:44 AM

Originally posted by MegoHulk@Sep. 01 2002 - 04:33
Do you have a series of buttons that spout out the same crap over and over again when you press them? *I guess I'm a fool for wanting to see a movie the way it was filmed on a DVD format....yeah , I'm such an idiot. *Thanks for pointing this news out to me yet again. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif
I never said that I don't like the original ot, or that I don't want them on dvd.

In fact that "news" if you want to call it that, actually thats pretty old, I said to Martini not you.

Did I finally catch you? :scratchchin:

MegoHulk

09-01-2002, 11:45 AM

Originally posted by Agent Bond A.KA. TK-007@Sep. 01 2002 - 05:44
I never said that I don't like the original ot, or that I don't want them on dvd.

In fact that "news" if you want to call it that, actually thats pretty old, I said to Martini not you.

Did I finally catch you? *style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/scratchchin.gif
Ok the post I quoted was obviously aimed at me since MArtini has not even posted on this page yet. And did you catch me at what? I'm so sick of talking in circles with you people. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/banghead.gif

Darth Vegas

09-01-2002, 01:22 PM

Originally posted by MegoHulk@Sep. 01 2002 - 04:33
Thanks for pointing this news out to me yet again. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif
What I was saying is, the first time I said that I was refering to Martini not "you".

DblDwn

09-01-2002, 03:08 PM

Originally posted by MegoHulk@Sep. 01 2002 - 03:50
You guys just get all wet over every little rumor or story you hear. *
Way to watch what you say and imply for all of the kids on the site.

And to think that Agent Bond called me the dumbass.

Martini

09-01-2002, 04:51 PM

im siding with MegoHulk on this topic. How come GL couldnt have made some of the SW characters as guys in suits like the Orcs in LOTR? sure some things need to be CGI, like the droids (who look totally real) and some parts of Watto

JediBendu

09-01-2002, 06:24 PM

How come GL couldnt have made some of the SW characters as guys in suits
As I mentioned before - I guy in a suit will always be a guy in a suit - cg allows for a totally alien character to interact with a human. *As far as I can tell, that's not really possible on this planet (yet?). *Orcs are meant to be human-like anyway, both phatom and atoc have plenty of humans in suits. *The twi'leks come to mind style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/inlove.gif . *But aliens that are removed enough from the humanoid form (IMO) should be cg. *Another question is the language aliens are speaking. *The Senator from Malestair (sp?) obviously has a synthesizer at work - should you ban the use of that and have aliens only speaking English?

I'm so sick of talking in circles with you people.
I've come into this a bit late - what is the point you're trying to make exactly? That GL has no right to touch up his own films?

Sith Master Koat

09-01-2002, 07:37 PM

I love SW. Always did, always will. But, you guys are the retarded offspring of a failing public school system. The OT was perfectly fine. Then came the SE's. Greedo was a Very Bad idea, as was Han's lines and his chopped up walk over Jabba's tail (not that Jabba looked any good). But you guy's, excuse me, Toddlers in the UE:OT thread are making those decisions look absolutley brilliant, even oscar worthy. You like SW for a reason, unless the first one you saw was TPM. In that case you think FX make a movie, infact it was stated that story moves along the FX. That train of though is @$$-backwards. FX are meant to compliment a story not replace it. The reason the OT was fine was that the PLOT and CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT were not over come by the ground-breaking FX of the day. Now when I read the thread and saw all the crap you want to crame into the UE, I thought I would rather go trekkie than call myself a SW fan. Pointless cameo's because somebody lived, tweeking the soundtrack, adding meaningless scenes... I could go on and on. Megohulk is totally right when he said they should just remake the Classic Trilogy. But, like him, I wouldn't waste my time or money on it. I think it is time for a forum where people who understand the concept of a good movie can discuss how awfully the creator might ruin his legacy without the uneducated cries of the Toddler Audience.

MegoHulk

09-02-2002, 01:49 AM

Wow...slowly but surely more people are filtering onto this board who actually know something about movies. I never wanted to get into a huge battle with you people and honestly I didn't think there were SW fans out there that felt the OT needed so much "new stuff" added to it. I think GL has kinda lost sight of what made SW so good in the first place and is just cramming the PT full of flashy FX to make up for it. I really liked AOTC and TPM was pretty ok, but they just kind of lack something the OT had. What that is I can't exactly put my finger on yet. Someone asked if GL should have the right to change his own movies....I say no. SW is a national treasure, and to keep slapping some flashy new FX on it and pimping it out every 5 years is a disgrace. It's called a classic for a reason, it doesn't NEED a new coat of paint every 5 years and he's playing us fans for fools by doing it. So now what do we have....it seems we have the UE coming out in about 4 or 5 years...probably packaged with the PT and I'm sure he'll re-do those to...which is going to be at least 6 discs plus any bonus discs. And how much is that gonna cost us? $250 ? $300 ? Or he'll throw us purists a bone and release the SE on DVD with no bonus discs or anything. It's a sad world we live when we can't even get a copy of our favorite movies without someone screwing them all up first. I just can't wait till Lucas buys the rights to Citizen Kane and "remasters" that too.

JediBendu

09-02-2002, 03:17 AM

Citizen Kane has already been remastered Citizen Kane Special Edition. (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00003CX9E/002-4143964-6111261”)

You seem to be quite angry at GL for purely selfish reasons. *It’s his film and he can do what ever he wants with it. *Your reasoning is sound, I’m a purist myself, but there’s nothing you or anybody else can do about – GL wanted Greedo to shoot first, he wanted Luke to scream down the air shaft, he wanted the storm trooper to say ‘Close the blast doors’. *It’s his film. *
I think it did need a new coat of paint, but I don’t think he should have put the garage on the left hand side of the house. *But I’m not going to say he doesn’t have the right.

but they just kind of lack something the OT had. What that is I can't exactly put my finger on yet. *

yeah – you were a kid back then – the magic wasn’t lost by a preconceived notion that GL owes you a movie experience.
To use an analogy, which I know you’ll be familiar with, Mego had the opportunity to revamp their action figure range when Star Wars offered them the liscence. *For years they more or less had a monopoly on action figures with any film or tv series that came out. *When the opportunity came around to do something new and revitalise they’re toy range, the flatly refused. *‘They’re classic for a reason’ you could imagine them saying. *The simple act of maintaining the old killed Mego, and they stayed dead. *Star Wars was fading – the print was almost unusable when the re-did it. *He saved the franchise and introduced it to a new generation. *I’m not a kid any more (ummmm), but I think if I were I’d be transfixed with what he’s done.
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DblDwn

09-02-2002, 03:44 AM

Originally posted by Sith Master Koat@Sep. 01 2002 - 18:37
But, you guys are the retarded offspring of a failing public school system. *
So I assume that you got your PhD in Star Wars from Harvard and therefore choose to suggest that those of us who are for new scenes in the OT are both "retarded" and that we belonged to a "failing public school system?"

Well that's great Professor. Bold words coming from someone who knows nothing about any of us.

I would like to see new scenes in the OT that would now be appropriate to include because they will make sense after viewing the PT. Is that such a bad thing? Not really.

If you care to disagree be my guest............but don't start to accuse anyone of being "retarded" because you don't agree with what they have to say and remember that at some point you were also a member of that same "failing public school system."

Darth Vegas

09-02-2002, 05:19 AM

Exactly Dbldwn. :withstupid:

RollaFett

09-02-2002, 09:40 AM

Sith Master Koat Posted on Sep. 01 2002 - 18:37
I love SW. Always did, always will. But, you guys are the retarded offspring of a failing public school system

Your new, so it's not a huge deal, but that comment is indeed flame-worthy. Please think before you type.

Tovor

09-02-2002, 11:17 AM

Sith Master Koat, for a newcomer you sure made yourself at home in the comfortable arm chair of superiority and name calling. *Did you come here to debate with other SW fans, or simply to lash out and fling jabs at others? *

Your signature states:
"Ignorance is bliss, to be happy requires a lack of knowledge. *When you know all that I know, you will never be happy again."-Sith Master Koat"
So judging by your sense of superiority over those retarded offspring you don't agree with, you must not be a happy person since you obviously know more than anybody else. *The wonderful bliss of ignorance eludes you. *It must suck being so smart and above others, huh?

Ya know, there is something familiar about you, a presence I've not felt since...is this really your first visit to this forum? *Yeah, something is familiar about you.

Tovor

09-02-2002, 11:19 AM

GollaFett, superior people don't have to think before they type. They're the ones that can say whatever they want without thinking about it first. Didn't ya know? :)

MegoHulk

09-02-2002, 12:42 PM

Dbldwn...it's not the new scenes that "make sense" that I have an objection to it's those of you who insist on coming up with hundreds of scenes where CGI should replace this or that. As far as updating action figures...yeah it needed to be done, and it helped the industry...but look on ebay...Megos still bring in the big bucks. Can't beat the originals. I really hate arguing about this crap....I'm not even really against an UE, but it's the principle of it that bothers me. GL isn't doing updates for the artist value of them, it's for money. If they want to go back and re add the missing scenes of the OT, I love to see it, but to just basically paint over the entire picture with a CGI brush is very wrong.

Tovor

09-02-2002, 12:56 PM

I have to ask myself this, he's a billionaire. I think he's close to that with all the hundred million dollar deals (I think he had a 300mill deal with the toy companies alone, and 200mill with Pepsi/Taco Bell.) he had with toy and food companies before the release of both TPM and AOTC. It can be said that rich people get greedy and just want more money, but I think, how rich can he get? He must be satisfied with the money he has. I really believe that he is doing all his tinkering because of the frustration he had in 1975-77, 78 to 83, in not being able to do the things he wanted in the presentations of each film. IMHO.

JediBendu

09-02-2002, 06:52 PM

I agree with Tovor - GL's pumped so much money back into the franchise in terms of development and innovations that he can now sit back and literally think about an idea and it's realised within a day.
They INVENTED the digital camera for atoc just so he could make the film.
Plus all his ancilliary companies have done nothing but enhance the movie experience for everyone, not just Star Wars fans, not just for scifi fans either.
The effect he's had on the movie industry is profound, whether you notice it or not.

On Mego - sure they still sell - on ebay or in collector stores - but the company is dead. While I don't think Star Wars would have gone the same way had he not made the Spec Eds, if he had just retired on the bucket load of cash he made after roj, it probably would have. Fading into cult obscurity.
But that would have made you happy hmmm Mego? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

Winston_Sith

09-03-2002, 01:46 AM

Originally posted by MegoHulk@Sep 2 2002, 04:49 AM
I really liked AOTC and TPM was pretty ok, but they just kind of lack something the OT had. *What that is I can't exactly put my finger on yet.
Inhale...

Exhale...

Inhale...

Exhale...

Darth Opinionated

09-03-2002, 01:52 AM

Originally posted by MegoHulk@Sep 2 2002, 03:42 PM
Dbldwn...it's not the new scenes that "make sense" that I have an objection to it's those of you who insist on coming up with hundreds of scenes where CGI should replace this or that.
So basically you have a problem with people that do not agree with you? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/notify.gif

JediBendu

09-03-2002, 04:08 AM

I think he probably does. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

MegoHulk

09-03-2002, 11:08 AM

Yes your right...I have a huge problem with those who don't agreewith me...whatever. Read some of your own posts sometimes. I'm done with this thread.

Darth Vegas

09-03-2002, 11:55 AM

It's about time, but I won't be satisfied until you are gone. :0

Lonesabre

09-03-2002, 12:54 PM

Personally I think that the the PT have been too stuffed with CGI. Most of it though is brilliant, Corusant, Naboo, Battle Droids etc.

The only gripe that I have is where Lucas has tried to create an entire CG environment {the plains of Naboo} and yes, it does seem to look to cartoony with lots of animated blokeys running around in it. He tried it again with the battle of Geonosis and for the most part it worked. I feel that LOTR is heading in the right direction where the characters are fighting in a real environment against 'real' opponents, like the final battle in the woods.

Trying to get this topic back to somewhere like what the title suggests before it dissolves into ANOTHER slagging match...

IF they were to re-film the OT {of course they shouldnt} who do you think would be in it and playing who???

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JediBendu

09-03-2002, 06:38 PM

Luke: Natalie Portman
Leia: Hayden Christianson
Han: Ewan McGreggor
Chewie: Ric McCallum
Obi: George Lucas
Tarkin: Van Diesel
Vader: David Prowse (why not)
c3p0: Kenny Baker
r2d2: Anthony Daniels
Owen: Jack Thompson
Beru: Russel Crowe (ozi joke)
Jabba: Ariel Sharron

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JediBendu

09-03-2002, 07:10 PM

Mego

Read some of your own posts sometimes.

I've gone back and re-read most of yours. I think you're a mess of contradictions.

You haven't grasped that the OT will remain the OT. The THX versions were the last alterations he made to the OT. (you do know that OT stands for original and not other?) - Special editions aren't called Original Editions. ('Ultra edition' is just someone's marketing idea.)

I'm clearly not the only one who thinks the OT should be left alone

Had the OT not been restored, the film would have decayed beyond all hope of repair. The source of Star Wars would be lost. Through the process of restoration GL has allowed another generation to appreciate the film. Did you see the original Star Wars on the big screen? I thought not. But you went to see the Special Editions to experience what Star Wars is like 'the way it's meant to be' (tv add)

Someone asked if GL should have the right to change his own movies....I say no.

I think this statement sums up the style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/banghead.gif we're getting on this thread. Why? By what authority can you make that judgement? A phd grad from film school I'll accept, but a regular at Blockbuster I won't. I'm a bit loathe to use this cliche but
'Someone once said that films are never finished, only abandoned' - George Lucas
Personally, I'd love GL to go back and remake THX-1138. The principle of re-introducing to another audience would apply doubly so here. Even fans on this board haven't seen argueably his greatest work. It was too advanced for the audiences then, actually, methinks it's too advanced for audience now.

Yeah Watto looked like a cartoon...but how else are you gonna do a flying alien?

How else are you going to have a huge 3 tonne slug walk over and talk to Han? How else are you going to have an explosion in space that doesn't look like a plastic ball with some fire crackers in it? Even today, the tech isn't up to GL's vision.

he's playing us fans for fools by doing it.

'Who's the more foolish, the fool or the fool who follows him?' - obi-wan, anh

Why did you see the Special Editions at all? You have the self control and discipline to be true to your convictions don't you? I do know a fan (granted only the one) that hasn't and won't see the spec eds period! He knew about the modifications and decided that he would rather keep his memory of seeing the original.

so, are you sure you're completely done with this thread?

Jedi Master Gandalf

09-03-2002, 11:35 PM

Good ridance, MegoHulk.

MegoHulk

09-04-2002, 02:18 AM

You ask if I saw them on the big screen when it came out...actually yes I did. As I said, I'm done with this thread and your all a bunch of half wits, especially you Gandalf. I'd say more but I'm above that.

Darth Vegas

09-04-2002, 02:41 AM

Originally posted by JediBendu@Sep 3 2002, 09:38 PM
Luke: Natalie Portman
Leia: Hayden Christianson
Han: Ewan McGreggor
Chewie: Ric McCallum
Obi: George Lucas
Tarkin: Van Diesel
Vader: David Prowse (why not)
c3p0: Kenny Baker
r2d2: Anthony Daniels
Owen: Jack Thompson
Beru: Russel Crowe (ozi joke)
Jabba: Ariel Sharron

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No Jedi Bendu, it's more like this-

Luke: Edward Furlong
Leia: Jada Pinkett Smith
Han: Ben Affleck
Chewie: Jeff Goldblum
Obi-Wan: Arnold Shwarzeneggar
Tarkin: Burgese Meridith
Vader: The Rock (David Prowse has really bad arthritis)
C-3PO: Tom Brokaw
R2-D2: Verne Troyer
Owen: Billy Bob Thorton
Beru: Delta Burke
Jabba the Hutt: Marlon Brando
Palpatine: Bob Hope, or George Carlin
Bib Fortuna: Ed Mcmann
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JediBendu

09-04-2002, 02:44 AM

I'd say more but I'm above that.

above it?!?!?

You selectively respond when it suites your ego, and when you do you say nothing. None of the points I've made in any of my posts have been addressed - just that fact that you saw Star Wars on the big screen. Well so did I - but I was 4 so I don't count that.

These half wits have beaten your arguement and you just run away and sulk.

HA! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif

Darth Vegas

09-04-2002, 03:00 AM

I think he's crying right now as we speak.

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JediBendu

09-04-2002, 03:11 AM

I was thinking Matt Daemon would play Luke, I don't like Ben Affleck (except in Dogma)

Darth Vegas

09-04-2002, 03:19 AM

Originally posted by JediBendu@Sep 4 2002, 06:11 AM
I was thinking Matt Daemon would play Luke, I don't like Ben Affleck (except in Dogma)
I don't like Affleck either, but he did take over the role of Jack Ryan for Harrison Ford. That was such a mistake!!!!!!!!!!!!

JediBendu

09-04-2002, 03:38 AM

The whole film's a mistake.

Leia would be good with Angelina Jolie (sp?) style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/inlove.gif

freedom01851

09-04-2002, 09:33 AM

Originally posted by Agent Bond A.KA. TK-007@Sep 4 2002, 05:41 AM
Luke: Edward Furlong
Leia: Jada Pinkett Smith
Han: Ben Affleck
Chewie: Jeff Goldblum
Obi-Wan: Arnold Shwarzeneggar
Tarkin: Burgese Meridith
Vader: The Rock (David Prowse has really bad arthritis)
C-3PO: Tom Brokaw
R2-D2: Verne Troyer
Owen: Billy Bob Thorton
Beru: Delta Burke
Jabba the Hutt: Marlon Brando
Palpatine: Bob Hope, or George Carlin
Bib Fortuna: Ed Mcmann
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The really disturbing thing about this is that I could easily see Tom Brokaw as C-3PO.

Darth Vegas

09-05-2002, 06:07 AM

Yeah they're both pretty stiff. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif

freedom01851

09-05-2002, 08:47 AM

Originally posted by Agent Bond A.KA. TK-007@Sep 5 2002, 09:07 AM
Yeah they're both pretty stiff. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif
They're both pretty stiff or they both make you stiff?

Jedi Ulic

09-05-2002, 09:24 AM

I'm not going to get involved in the argument but I have recently bought the OT on VHS (I can't believe I waited all this time) and the box just says Star Wars Trilogy, no mention of any edition or anything. All it says is digitally remastered.

Darth Vegas

09-05-2002, 09:29 AM

The latest release does not say se, but that's what it is.

...or they both make you stiff?

I don't go for that sort of thing.

Jedi Ulic

09-05-2002, 01:34 PM

That's just my point. The original release is now obselete. There is no SE, just Star Wars Trilogy. When finally they release all six films it won't be the Ultimate Edition it will be just Star Wars and whatever the word for six films is (I haven't a clue).

Jedi D'oh

09-05-2002, 05:18 PM

well, i still have my original OT videotapes and i will keep them. i also own the silverboxed SE, goldboxed SE, and the newest release of the SE that just says Star Wars Trilogy.

i may never watch the OT (before SE) again, but i see no reason to trash them. my son, as he gets older, may want to see the "rough cut" of the OT. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/duel.gif

bodhisattva yoda

09-05-2002, 10:39 PM

i just made fifty dollars painting my parents' house... know what i'm doing with this money? i'm purchasing the original trilogy bootleg on dvd (pre SE). to me, it is the prefered version. it has aged like wine to me. i can appreciate antiquated special effects. the ultimate edition i'll watch when i decide to watch all six episodes in order.

think of this though.... in twenty years, will the ultimate edition/prequel special effects still be impressive and captivating? will they age, or age well? i highly doubt they'll retain the charm of the pre SE OT(this isn't latin).

JediBendu

09-05-2002, 11:06 PM

ya - I think I should buy some more box sets - the OT I've got is getting pretty old now, probably won't make the conversion to dvd that well.
Good point on the wording - Star Wars is now 6 movies not the original '78 flick. I suppose you could argue this happened when the re-printed the film with Episode IV: A New Hope on it.
mmm

If anyone has got a print of the original title roll up, I'm willing to sell my mother for it. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

Justin

09-05-2002, 11:19 PM

I think they should release a DVD with both versions of each film. Like they did with "The Abyss" and "Terminator 2".

If they only release the Special Edition, then it will be the final confirmation of George Lucas' status as a total jerk.

JediBendu

09-05-2002, 11:26 PM

It's his film, not ours. Unless someone whacks a moratorium on re-editing films once they've been signed off to the distributer, there's nothing we can do.
But consider someone who'll be born just after ep3 - by the time they're old enough to watch SW, they'll see the 6 movies in a row, as GL wanted and with little variations in the year they were made (ok the sideburns would be a biggie! )

Justin

09-05-2002, 11:30 PM

Actually, George Lucas may have created the films, and has the right to change them around however he wants, but Star Wars truly belongs to us, the fans.

JediBendu

09-05-2002, 11:43 PM

I suppose you have a point - if it wasn't for the millions who went and saw it over and over again, Star Wars may have faded into obscurity, as did THX.
Did you agree with the Phantom Edit that circulated the net a while back?

Darth Vegas

09-06-2002, 02:29 AM

Well believe it or not most fans actually prefer the SE. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

JediBendu

09-06-2002, 03:01 AM

Interesting question that - you should put in the poll section. I prefer Star Wars as a stand alone without esb or roj. I admire the SE's from a technical perspective (I'm in IT) but I've never liked Greedo shooting first.
The Falcon blasting it's way out of Mos Eisley is my favourite scene style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/exclamation.gif

MegoHulk

09-06-2002, 04:24 AM

Hey did someone say they had the OT on DVD? The real OT? Or the SE? Can anyone point me in the right direction to get these? Even if it is the SE. I don't even have a working VCR anymore...I need these DVDs, I can't wait 4 years for this silly Ultimate edition thing. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/eh.gif

JediBendu

09-06-2002, 04:36 AM

It was a bootleg copy that was mentioned by B. Yoda.
The Senate does not condone bootleg copies in anyway, shape or form - their procurement via this board is not allowed.

Having said that, what bootleg copy?!?! Don't you just mean a copy burnt onto a dvd? Anyone with a decent computer and the right card can do that now.

As a sidebar - where did the term 'Ultra' come from? Is it official or has some fan just taken the next logical step up from Special? What about Mega-Editions, or Deluxe-Editions? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

MegoHulk

09-06-2002, 12:20 PM

Right right...noy a bootlegged copy...just one burned onto a DVD. Anyone here willing to sell me a copy of the OT? I assume this is not illegal right? Or...does anyone know where else I could get a copy? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

Jedi D'oh

09-06-2002, 02:21 PM

well, megohulk.....

the only place i have seen a burnt copy of either the OT or the SE-OT is at dragon-con. i would assume that any sci-fi convention would have a booth with people who sell burnt dvds of things either unavailable or not yet released.

i could have bought a copy of the pilot episode for birds of prey(which premieres in Oct.), but no thanks. i did however buy a copy (on video, not dvd) of the SW holiday special there. i dont really care for it, but i had to have it! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

bodhisattva yoda

09-07-2002, 06:04 PM

i see bootlegs on ebay all the time. most are special edition though. i believe that most of these bootlegs are remastered laserdisc versions...not just cheap vhs burns.

MegoHulk

09-09-2002, 03:22 AM

Thanks guys...I was wondering where this thread had been moved to. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

JediBendu

09-09-2002, 07:08 AM

speaking of refilming - did anyone see The Phantom Edit?

Darth Vegas

09-09-2002, 08:47 AM

You mean the dvd?

Jedi Ulic

09-10-2002, 06:35 PM

I wasn’t going to get involved in this debate but I have just finished watching ANH, which was on TV here in England, and it did provoke a few thoughts. I must admit that I have mixed feelings about the extra scenes. On the one hand you have the extra X-wing footage which is just cool, you have the Biggs and Luke scene which adds poignancy to the end and more meaning to “Beggers Canyon back home”. There is the Jabba scene, which was quite integral to the story line, it showed that Han owed ten thousand, it gave us a chance to see and recognise Boba. It also gave a better impression of what sort of character Han is and what sort of company he mixes with as well. This brings me neatly on to the other hand. I absolutely hate the scene that has Greedo shooting first. For me, the whole point of Han’s character was that he was essentially a bad guy turned good. He was a smuggler who had no problem shooting first. Even in the Death Star Luke complained about Chewie’s howling and Han’s blasting everything in sight. He even offers Luke to go with him instead of fight the empire. He finally comes good at the end and that line “Great shot kid etc.” is still one of the best.
Anyway, the point of this waffling is that I hadn’t really given MegoHulk’s original question much thought. I just enjoyed the films, any extra (as long as it didn’t detract from the plot) was a bonus. But tonight whilst watching the film my girlfriend came out with the startling revelation that she would definitely show our kids the films starting with TPM. She said the OT would never catch on with the kids of today and I realised with growing horror that she might be right. The new films are full of leaping lightsabre fights and cool CGI which kids of today crave. Now I love the OT as much as anyone but what if GL did decide to remake them? He has always admitted that he didn’t have the technology to make the film that he wanted. Who wouldn’t want to see what he would come up with if he remade them with all of today’s digital wizardry? And what would be so wrong with it anyway? The OT would always have been made, those (like myself) who cherish them can do so forever. Don’t get me wrong, they must always be available to buy (The Classic Trilogy anyone?) but would it not help the magic of Star Wars to live on if the kids of this generation would have another three films to look forward to? I know that, whilst they would never replace the OT, I would certainly look forward to them, and yes, I would be suckered into parting with my hard earned cash but for the amount of pleasure that they would undoubtedly bring I think I would be able to justify it to myself. The more the OT is changed the more I think that perhaps it would be better to just redo it. George is obviously unhappy with it so just leave the original as it is and make some more.

Martini

09-10-2002, 06:48 PM

umm, no. not a good idea

you guys are looking too much into the effects. look at the drama and storylines moreso and it doesnt matter when the films were shot

Darth Vegas

09-11-2002, 06:50 AM

Originally posted by Martini@Sep 10 2002, 09:48 PM
umm, no. not a good idea

you guys are looking too much into the effects. look at the drama and storylines moreso and it doesnt matter when the films were shot
They're lookin too much into effects?!

You're the one that keeps suggesting that there's gonna be so many thousand lightsaber duels in Episode 3, you might as well say, if your theory is correct, that it's gonna be called Episode III: Lightsabers, Lightsabers, Lightsabers!!!!!!!!

Star Wars is a tale that is told through awesome visuals, and music. Those are the two basic elements that make a good Star Wars flick. Star Wars is not a story of drama and romance, it's a space fantasy, and the stories center on ACTION AND ADVENTURE. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

JediBendu

09-11-2002, 08:09 AM

You mean the dvd?

no - apparently some one (professional) actually sat down and re-edited Phantom. Basically cut out a lot of Jar Jar and Anakin's YIIPPPIIEE!!! bollux.
It circulated the net for awhile and Kevin Smith was rumoured to have done it. Thing is, anyone who's seen it reckons it was a vast improvement over phantom - just a few nips and tucks transformed the film.

and I realised with growing horror that she might be right.

true, but the ideals of the CT ( style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif ) are still there in phantom and (to a lesser extent) atoc - the hero's journey. The whole reason why SW was a success is because it tapped into that which is common within us all. I don't see how that will differ from the next generation - then again, we're talking the Nintendo kids....mmm I wonder if GL thought of that before writing ep3 style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/scratchchin.gif

Personally, I'm definitely hiding the PT from my son until he's old enough to watch Star Wars in all its [Han shooting first] glory.

Martini

09-11-2002, 10:28 AM

[QUOTE] Star Wars is a tale that is told through awesome visuals, and music. Those are the two basic elements that make a good Star Wars flick. Star Wars is not a story of drama and romance, it's a space fantasy, and the stories center on ACTION AND ADVENTURE. [QUOTE]

sooo young and foolish you are Agent Bond.

I hope so others can back me up that what you said is completely the opposite of what makes up a good star wars flick. its all about the romance and drama!! why the hell do you think ESB was the best one made out of the 5? same goes for AOTC being about second cause it had a similar feel. sure the special effects are nice to see from time to time but if it was only about them then we would have a Godzilla movie or Independence Day. you need a good storyline to back up your movie. Why the F**K do you think the OT is still so popular?!? cause its a good story of good vs evil! simple!

sigh, I'm just hoping someone will back me up and show Bondo here the true meaning of Star Wars. I know ill have more to say about all this

Darth Vegas

09-11-2002, 11:52 AM

Why the F**K do you think the OT is still so popular?!? cause its a good story of good vs evil! simple!

I'm just hoping someone will back me up and show Bondo here the true meaning of Star Wars.

Exactly Martini, good vs. evil, not drama and romance.

The genre of the film is action adventure/fantasy, it's not "Gone With the Wind" in space.

What makes the films so good is the realisism of the worlds especially those of the PT, the epic battles, the suspense, the music that carries it all, and at the very buttom of the list drama and dialogue.

Afterall, the title is Star WARS, not Star Love.

By the way Mr. ESB and AOTC are the best out of all of them because of love and drama, the most popular of all of them is ANH. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blush.gif

There is no argument here Martini, you like the films because of the love and drama, and I personnally do not think that those are very good aspects of the film, the drama is alright, but lets face it the romance is absolutely dry.

But exactly like you said, Mr. Contradict myself every other post, the movies are about the conflict between good & evil, the conflict which sometimes includes stiring bits of emotion. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbsup.gif

Everyone knows that GL made the movies because he felt the youth needed a new type of myth, the cowboys & indians genre died out, they need something new.

Maybe you should go to Blockbuster or Best Buy, and where will you find these films I ask you? In either the sci-fi/fantasy area, or in action-adventure. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

MegoHulk

09-13-2002, 01:38 PM

You need to have all of that stuff for a really great movie and most of the SW movies have that. Drama, action, adventure, even some romance. Nothing wrong with some drama in your movies is there Bond? It can't all be bang bang shoot em up action.

Darth Vegas

09-14-2002, 06:03 AM

I agree with you Megohulk the movies do need drama, and a little romance, without some emotion the action wouldn't work, all of those things together make the movies work.

But Star Wars is a tale that is told more through visuals and music than anything else, without those two things, well there is no movie.

When your dealing with a fantasy world, those two things are chief in importance, without awesome visuals, which are not only action sequences Martini!!!!!! But rather every shot, rather background scenary, or a city or an alien being, everything has to look extraordinary, and the PT excedes far beyond the visuals of the OT.

Yet both are equally as good, in my opinion mind ya', because of one thing above all, not direction, not dialogue, but music that is able to flow with and carry each and every sequence in seemless harmony.

It is but these two things, music and visuals that bind every aspect of the movies together, the action, the drama, the adventure, the romance. Without those things, the films would fail.

But yet still above it all, it is the action and adventure that makes the films so good, thanks to everything that backs those two elements up. They are action/adventure films, if your looking for great drama and romance in Star Wars, then your looking in the wrong place.

borgmatrix

09-14-2002, 08:41 PM

Originally posted by Agent Bond A.KA. TK-007@Sep 14 2002, 09:03 AM
They are action/adventure films, if your looking for great drama and romance in Star Wars, then your looking in the wrong place.
I do think there have been many elements of SW that have been dramatic. So I wouldn't downplay drama as being important to the saga. Consider Vader's revelation in ESB, or the events of epIII where we'll see Palpatine revealed as Sidious, the Jedi's greatest enemy present right among them. That's dramatic stuff and without it, I don't think SW would be as epic as it is.

Darth Vegas

09-15-2002, 06:28 AM

Great drama and romance as you would find in say--

Gone With the Wind, Titanic, Braveheart...............

Star Wars is not on that list. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

ReturnoftheWhill

09-20-2002, 01:27 PM

I've had the same thoughts Megohulk

The films don't seem to match, anyone watching them straight through will say "What happened to all the effects." I think it's a good idea to redo them, Mark Hammill really wasn't that good. However the guy who plays Obi-wan and Harrison For were good actors.

"Obi-wan Kenobi.... Obi-wan.... now that's a name I haven't heard in a long time... a long time..."

P.S. It's you know who thanks for the suggestions!

Martini

09-20-2002, 01:30 PM

the guy who played Obi-Wan....mark hamill wasnt that good....just reshoot the entire trilogy..........

I think im gonna throw up now. I have nothing to say right now about this

ReturnoftheWhill

09-20-2002, 01:40 PM

hey Martini, I ove that quote at the bottom, it is a powerful one. The way Vader says it is pretty cool.

MegoHulk

09-20-2002, 05:53 PM

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ReturnoftheWhill

09-26-2002, 01:53 PM

Your signature is driving me crazy Megohulk

Change it

Martini

09-26-2002, 02:00 PM

whill, dude its his sig, he can have whatever he wants.

plus i think its from john lennon, so its great then style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

Jedi D'oh

09-26-2002, 04:09 PM

ya know martini, in my opinion that may just be the best post you have done! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif Lennon was the man, and i have admired Megohulk for using that as his sig. Right on people!

anyhoo....back to the topic.....THAT GUY? THAT GUY who plays obi-wan? his name was Sir Alec Guinness!! and though he may have thought the role he did for SW to be the worst of his career, if not for it i would have never seen his other movies. do not speak ill of ole Alec!

Why do you think Mark Hamill wasn't good, Whill? just curious ???

but, if they do decide to reshoot the entire trilogy, so what? we all own the OT/CT dont we? we can see it when we want. its all good!! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/duel.gif

ReturnoftheWhill

09-29-2002, 08:06 PM

I just think they don't match thie film special effects don't work.

I know "It isn't about the effects, it's the story" But I just don't think it works.

Everything is zoomed in during the OT it's just good vs evil. Empire and Luke It's too personal for the PT. They completely change. The only way to make it seem even linked at all, it make episode III cross between II and IV, zoom in a little but not too much.

However that won't work at all. Why? Because Episode III will have so many different sides and characters it wouldn't make sense to zoom in on Good and Evil.

There is more action packed into 1 and 2 definetely much more action. To me Lucas didn't have a lot of action in 4-6, that way he had time to get more personal with the characters. You actually like them. I guess that's a good thing about the OT.

In the PT, Anakin isn't having a hard time at all, it doesn't seem like he's fighting demons. Instead of struggling, he's *****ing. I don't feel sorry for him, I want to smack the little ****! There's few characters you like in the PT unless you've seen the OT.

I've grown very close to Yoda, because he was represented as a great Jedi Master in 1,4,6 and we already had a very high oppinion of him, and when he took out his light saber in a very rare moment when the most powerful Jedi must throw away his set backs and take matters into his own hands, that was euphoric... I'm not sure if Lucas should do another Yoda fight, it may ruin the cherished moment of Episode II