Padme in ROTJ?

[DblDwn]

Lucas and Jonathon Hales are still writing the script for Episode III. So McCallum doesn't even know what the hell is going to happen in Episode III yet.

That being said does anyone really think he knows anything for sure that may be added to ESB or ROTJ when he doesn't even know the story of Episode III yet?

Did he really mention the metal bikini in that response? The little bit of distractable humor there leads me to believe that he is either covering up the fact that he knows nothing at this point or he is attempting to be deceptive.

[Mothman]

Yes, McCallum really said the "metal bikini" comment!

(I'm sure he thought that he was being clever.)

I doubt that he knows everything on the creative side. Only GL knows all. Just as Sidious doesn't tell all to his apprentice, I'm guessing that George doesn't tell everything to Rick.

Also, it's going to be a long time before the Episode III script is completed. They won't get down to business on any "ultimate edition" stuff on ROTJ for a long time, probably not until Episode III is finished.

[DblDwn]

Originally posted by Mothman@Sep 18 2002, 04:54 PM
Just as Sidious doesn't tell all to his apprentice, I'm guessing that George doesn't tell everything to Rick.


I like the comparison

Nicely said

[Obi-Stu]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Also, it's going to be a long time before the Episode III script is completed. They won't get down to business on any "ultimate edition" stuff on ROTJ for a long time, probably not until Episode III is finished. [/b][/quote]


I agree, Mothman. I reckon that the focus at the momment is Ep 3 so I don't think much has been discussed regarding the ultimate edition, execpt by us, of course.

[forcefeeler]

If Padme were to appear in ROTJ,it should be on Endor at the end of the film.As the ghosts of Obi Wan,Anakin and Yoda appear they could combine their powers to summon an image of Padme as an extra reward to Luke.I think it's wrong that only Leia is allowed any memory of their mother,and it would be a fitting and moving closure to the saga.If they want to cut in some kind of emotional reaction to this from Mark Hamill i'm sure there's plenty of stuff they could use from the cutting room floor.

[Martini]

no chance! cause they would kill the whole "jedi-only" reappearing trick. so basically then, anyone would be brought back. and i think that final scene would look so cheesy with all of the characters there. just leave it as anakin, obi-wan and yoda. those were the 3 main guys, leave it as that. I'm even starting to think that Padme wont be in the OT at all

[MegoHulk]

Martini....shhhhhhhh! Don't say that around here....they all NEED to believe Padme not only will be in the OT but she'll end up being Mon Mothma. Prepare for the typical responses... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by Martini@Sep 20 2002, 07:09 AM
no chance! cause they would kill the whole "jedi-only" reappearing trick. so basically then, anyone would be brought back.
As far as we know about, absolutely jack ****, anything is possible.

I don't recall hearing it was a "Jedi only" only thing, perhaps you tell me where you got that.

Oh wait, I bet I already know, you are Gl, aren't you? I don't think so!!!!!! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

[Mothman]

I'd give a "typical response", but it's already been posted. Nothing more needs to be said. The evidence speaks for itself.

[Darth Vegas]

By the way, they have been working quite a bit to finish the OT ever since 1994 when the y begun their work.

They never quit completely after 1997 when the SE came out, afew guys have and are still working on the OT, I know a few guys that work for ILM, and as they are not allowed to share to much info, they did tell me that much.

[JediBendu]

you know a few guys that work at ILM?!?
any jobs going? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

[Darth Vegas]

Yeah, I met them opening night for AOTC, we've talked a few times since via e-mail, they haven't worked on anything Star Wars, but the one guys dad did some work on TPM and his name is in the credits of the film, forgot his name.

By your question "Any jobs going?" I assume your asking if there are any open positions. I'm not sure, but you can check ilm.com for info.

[DblDwn]

Originally posted by MegoHulk@Sep 20 2002, 03:22 PM
they all NEED to believe Padme not only will be in the OT but she'll end up being Mon Mothma.
I don't need to believe anything. I am merely theorizing on possible changes that may be made to the OT.

Do I really believe that Padme will turn out to be Mon Mothma in a few years? It's possible and all I am doing is stating examples to back up the possibility of this coming true.

[Luminara Skye]

IMO, I don't think they should start adding scenes in the OT. Enough already. The Special Editions were enough. ???

[DblDwn]

I am a firm believer that there are scenes that Lucas wants to add to the OT that he could not add prior to the PT. Scenes that would not have made much sense without some sort of a backstory.

That being said I am 100% convinced that he will add quite a few new scenes in order to make the entire saga the way he has always wanted it to be.

[JediBendu]

It is, of course, his perogative to do just that, but I think GL will be sooooo sick of Star Wars by the time ep3 is released that he'll book himself in for extensive psycho-therapy just to get the image of Jar Jar out of his head!

Then again, if ep3 is as much of a success as the original Star Wars (by that I mean grosses in excess of $1billion) then he may continue the franchise indefinitely.

I hope so anyway...

[Darth Vegas]

Dont we all? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/unhappy.gif

[DblDwn]

That is true JB, he may be a little burned out on Star Wars by 2005. But I do think that he will want to finish it the way he has always wanted to. This is the franchise that made him his fortune. He will complete it the way he has always envisioned.

[Jacen Solo]

George Lucas sick of Star Wars? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ohmy.gif

[DblDwn]

Originally posted by Luuke_Skywalker@Sep 28 2002, 06:12 AM
George Lucas sick of Star Wars? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ohmy.gif
I know............

That's like saying that Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are sick of seeing their names in the paper.

[Darth Vegas]

Even if he's not up to the task of writing the scripts, or directing any other Star Wars films, I'm sure he wont mind serving as executive producer, he's done that twice now, so why not? ???

[Martini]

Yea i completely agree that GL needs to write another trilogy or something and just not direct it or write the screenplay. this way we can get another trilogy of SW in 15 years or so after EP3

only thing, is that good things in the world are never over-done. and if he does a 3rd trilogy, then the whole creative star wars universe loses its magic. although, if he does follow this path and writes another 3 movies, i think it should take place 1000 years before TPM, so we can see when the sith and jedi are BIG. or maybe 1000 years after ROTJ. just something completely different. we all new characters and such. only hard part is re-creating the magic, thats why the Prequels work cause Lucas is able to bring in the good from the past and make everyone remember the OT

[JediBendu]

oohh yeah baby! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

a 1000 years before or after - maybe a series similar to Spielberg's 'A Band of Brothers' - you could even link both time periods through prophecy and holocrons style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/scratchchin.gif

[Mothman]

I know that Lucas makes it up as he goes along. But, in recent years he has stated that Star Wars is really Darth Vader's (Anakin Skywalker's) story. If you look at it from that perspective, there's no need to make any more episodes after the completion of Episode III.

In recent weeks I was watching ROTJ. I know that we need to add the details of Episode III, but ROTJ is the fitting end to the saga. The Ewok celebration is hokey -- I 'd prefer a more "grand" finale like in ANH. But at that point, the story is done -- you don't need any more.

[One Lad to Rule Them All]

I really don't think there is any need for her to be in it. Sure, it'd probsbly tie into the whole happy ending for Anakin but at the expense of plausability? No thanks.

[Lonesabre]

<marquee>Bump!</marquee>

[Jacen Solo]

Has George Lucas himself said anything about the possibility of Padme being Mon Mothma?

[DblDwn]

Of course he hasn't. He doesn't hint at anything to come.

All he does is feed McCallum with a bunch of misleading BS that he in turn relays to the public.

Everyone knows that Lucas only passes out the scripts for each actor that purtain ONLY to their character. If Mace Windu is not in a scene then Sam Jackson doesn't know what is going on. That is part of Lucas' big surprise. The fewer people know what will happen the fewer people there are to leak out information on the Internet.

That being said, I for one do not trust anything that McCallum says.

But to answer your question, Lucas isn't going to spoil anything and he certainly isn't going to confirm anything. All he says is that Anakin becomes Vader. Well no $hit thanks for the ground-breaking news.

[Mothman]

Bump!

[Justin]

I heard they were going to digitally insert Padme into the Special Edition of the movie between Episode III and ANH.

[Lord Laviathan]

If GL does it right it seems vialble but i would be surprised if it happens.

[Mothman]

Bump

[Brian]

Originally posted by DblDwn+Sep 25 2002, 01:39 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(DblDwn @ Sep 25 2002, 01:39 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-MegoHulk@Sep 20 2002, 03:22 PM
they all NEED to believe Padme not only will be in the OT but she'll end up being Mon Mothma.
I don't need to believe anything. I am merely theorizing on possible changes that may be made to the OT.

Do I really believe that Padme will turn out to be Mon Mothma in a few years? It's possible and all I am doing is stating examples to back up the possibility of this coming true. [/b][/quote]
Is Padme Mon Mothma? (http://www.starwars.com/community/askjc/jocasta/askjc20030501.html)

HELL NO!

From Ask the Jedi Council at StarWars.com:

Does Padmé Skywalker become Mon Mothma?


Jocosta Nu's answer: <span style="font-size:36pt;line-height:100%">No, of course not. </span>


BOO-YA!!!

[Mothman]

Originally posted by O-B-GATES+May 1 2003, 02:06 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(O-B-GATES @ May 1 2003, 02:06 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'> Originally posted by DblDwn@Sep 25 2002, 01:39 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-MegoHulk@Sep 20 2002, 03:22 PM
they all NEED to believe Padme not only will be in the OT but she'll end up being Mon Mothma.
I don't need to believe anything. I am merely theorizing on possible changes that may be made to the OT.

Do I really believe that Padme will turn out to be Mon Mothma in a few years? It's possible and all I am doing is stating examples to back up the possibility of this coming true.
Is Padme Mon Mothma? (http://www.starwars.com/community/askjc/jocasta/askjc20030501.html)

HELL NO!

From Ask the Jedi Council at StarWars.com:

Does Padmé Skywalker become Mon Mothma?


Jocosta Nu's answer: <span style="font-size:36pt;line-height:100%">No, of course not. </span>


BOO-YA!!! [/b][/quote]
Jocasta Nu also said that Kamino did not exist!! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/hehe.gif

[Mann]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Jocasta Nu also said that Kamino did not exist!! [/b][/quote]

shrouded by the Dark Side, she was.

[Dark_Jedi]

I think Padme will die in Episode 3. It would certaintly help Anakin along to the Dark Side.

[Mann]

The mear thought that she is thought to be dead would make him go over. Look at how he reacted when everyone told him his mother had died.

[spaceman2386]

ok the Padme in ROTJ is a brainer she is going to appar at the end of the movie with Anakin, yoda, and i bet mace with all theother jedi will be there too.

ok, now u r thinking but she is not a jedi. yes thats true but she is married to Anakin. duh.

[Dark_Jedi]

Originally posted by spaceman2386@May 1 2003, 05:08 PM
ok, now u r thinking but she is not a jedi. yes thats true but she is married to Anakin. duh.
could marrying a jedi make you able to appear after you die??

[spaceman2386]

Sure, jedi get it all

[Mann]

Marrying a Jedi...usually that doesn;t happen.

[spaceman2386]

Originally posted by Mann@May 1 2003, 04:23 PM
Marrying a Jedi...usually that doesn't happen.
Right, but Anakin did marry Padme, did she not?

[Cæsar Iaius I]

Originally posted by spaceman2386@May 1 2003, 04:08 PM
ok the Padme in ROTJ is a brainer she is going to appar at the end of the movie with Anakin, yoda, and i bet mace with all theother jedi will be there too.

ok, now u r thinking but she is not a jedi. yes thats true but she is married to Anakin. duh.
Baseless speculation. One cannot make an assertion without adequate proof to justify it.

Suppose we were to state that Jar Jar Binks would also appear in the ending sequence because he suddenly exhibited Force-sensitive characteristics?

Absurd, is it not?

[Haïtien]

I'm with the Emperor here. It is utterly baseless rubbish.

[DblDwn]

Originally posted by O-B-GATES@May 1 2003, 01:06 PM
Does Padmé Skywalker become Mon Mothma?


Jocosta Nu's answer: <span style="font-size:36pt;line-height:100%">No, of course not. </span>


BOO-YA!!!
As I've said before, the 25 year old freckle faced recluse who has been given the name "Jocasta Nu" on the official site doesn't know jack about what Lucas is or is not planning for anything down the road. Just like me and just like all of us, this guy is doing nothing more than speculating on his own beliefs of what can happen. That information isn't based on anything that Lucas says because Lucas doesn't say anything. He's still finishing up the script for Episode III. Do you really think he is wandering around talking to pocket-protector boy on the official site about things to be changed for the OT? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif

So, Stuart Scott, go ahead and put your "BOO-YA" in your pipe and keep smoking it buddy. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

[DblDwn]

Originally posted by Cæsar Iaius I@May 3 2003, 03:53 PM
Absurd, is it not?
Hey, Shakespeare, not every bit of speculation is absurd. If you'd look back through the different threads on this topic I've actually stated many different examples to base this speculation on.

[RollaFett]

Padme is not Mon Mothma!
Wow, it's been some time since I typed those words. Sure felt good.

[Jedi Killer]

Padme will NOT appear at the end with Yoda and the gang cause shes not a Jedi!

only way to add her in that movie is to make her into a dream sequence or something. but its gonna look aweful. thats why i dont think GL will wanna do it. oh and he SHOULDNT!

[Mothman]

Maybe they'll put make-up on her that makes her look about 25 years older and then digitally insert her into the briefing room scene where she says that many Bothan spies died to bring us the information. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sly.gif

[Jedi Killer]

BUT LUKE AND LEIA will know its HER!!! shes right freakin there!!!

so that whole idea is out for Mon Mothma!!!

what is everyones facination with that character?! shes not even hot or interesting

[Cæsar Iaius I]

Originally posted by DblDwn+May 19 2003, 02:10 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(DblDwn @ May 19 2003, 02:10 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-Cæsar Iaius I@May 3 2003, 03:53 PM
Absurd, is it not?
Hey, Shakespeare, not every bit of speculation is absurd. If you'd look back through the different threads on this topic I've actually stated many different examples to base this speculation on. [/b][/quote]
Speculation is still speculation: in that, you miss the point. No matter now many contrived examples and scenarios one can whip up, speculation is still baseless.

Do recognize that speculation is assumptions that are made upon thin air. Indeed, your very own wording shows that you fail to recognize the crux of the matter: one cannot use ficticious examples as support for speculation.

Until concrete evidence is used, your arguments will remain as speculation and therefore will not be considered.

Good Day.

[Mothman]

Originally posted by Jedi Killer@May 22 2003, 03:25 PM
BUT LUKE AND LEIA will know its HER!!! shes right freakin there!!!
They could possibly sense their Mother if she was a Jedi -- or strong with the Force -- but I didn't think that Padme was either of these. And, even if she did have some kind of "Force signature", the twins haven't been with Mothma, ...er, Mother/Mama since infancy. They probably wouldn't fully recognize her. In this initial contact, it would probably be more of a feeling of familiarity (like Luke's feeling about Dagobah), not a full-fledged means of recognition/identification.

[DblDwn]

Originally posted by Cæsar Iaius I@May 23 2003, 12:43 AM
Until concrete evidence is used, your arguments will remain as speculation and therefore will not be considered.

Good Day.
90% of this website is specualtion and the point is too consider, discuss, debate, and even, when necessary, to argue over that speculation. On top of that a lot of the people who contribute to the speculation don't even take the time to back up that which they say. So I fail to see your logic in saying that my speculation will not be considered when I at least back up my speculation with examples. True, it is impossible to have concrete evidence for this discussion but it is also just as impossible to have concrete evidence for many of the discussions regarding Episode III that we discuss on a daily basis around here.

Take a couple steps down off of your pedestal Caesar, watch Gladiator, and ease up with your quickness to refute other peoples ideas because they be very well be "dead on balls accurate." (Where's the love for My Cousin Vinny?)

[Cæsar Iaius I]

Originally posted by DblDwn@May 23 2003, 07:37 AM


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>90% of this website is specualtion and the point is too consider, discuss, debate, and even, when necessary, to argue over that speculation. On top of that a lot of the people who contribute to the speculation don't even take the time to back up that which they say. So I fail to see your logic in saying that my speculation will not be considered when I at least back up my speculation with examples. True, it is impossible to have concrete evidence for this discussion but it is also just as impossible to have concrete evidence for many of the discussions regarding Episode III that we discuss on a daily basis around here. [/b][/quote]

Absolutely not. The debates here generally appear to have some basis in fact. For example, if one were to suggest that Tarkin could be in Episode III because of the relationship they have in IV, then it would be a reasonable suggestion based upon fact: which is clearly no speculation.

That's the primacy of the issue. Perhaps if one could show the launching ground for such speculations or the ideas that lead to such theories--or perhaps even logical support for it?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Take a couple steps down off of your pedestal Caesar, watch Gladiator, and ease up with your quickness to refute other peoples ideas because they be very well be "dead on balls accurate." (Where's the love for My Cousin Vinny?)[/b][/quote]

Ah, of course. Any and all suggestions are automatically correct because they possess the potential to be true. Quite an interesting way of reasoning, though it is fundamentally flawed in so many different ways that renders the very idea unpalatable.

Take the suggestion above and base your speculation off of logical fact, and you will find no more grief over this issue. Otherwise, do not complain when others voice an opinion regarding your ideas--for it is well within one's bounds to do so.

[DblDwn]

I never said that any and all suggestions are possible so please refrain from putting words in my mouth ok slick? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/mad.gif

I've seen my share of pompous, ignorant, and close-minded people on this site so why should you be any different? ???

I think it is funny that myself and TK-007 are the two people here who go the farthest out on a limb with our speculation, which is logical for the most part to anyone whose head isn't up their @ss, and yet we are the two that catch the most $hit from everyone else because of our openmindedness and our abilities to explore beyond that which everyone else assumes to be true.

[Jedi Killer]

i still dont get everyones facination with Mon Mothma. no one really knows who she is! least normal people

i bet GL doesnt even remember that characters name or role

[spaceman2386]

i think we will find out in ep3

[Jedi Killer]

exactly. shes either gonna die in EP3, die between EP3 and ANH or never die and remain in hiding.

but doesnt it make sense that Anakin would know if she was still alive? and also, shes too important to die off screen. GL did say this would be a downer of a film and with her death and Maces, thats gotta be it!

[RollaFett]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>DblDwn Posted: May 24 2003, 03:46 AM

I've seen my share of pompous, ignorant, and close-minded people on this site so why should you be any different?[/b][/quote]

DblDwn, try and tand tkae it down a notch, ok? Cool. Take a deep breath and scope out all of the beautiful babies, because you're money! (Where's the love for 'Swingers?)

[DblDwn]

Originally posted by GollaFett@May 31 2003, 02:08 PM
Take a deep breath and scope out all of the beautiful babies, because you're money! (Where's the love for 'Swingers?)
Much love bro!

That post was so money and GF didn't even know it. You're like a big bear man.

[Darth Badly]

Originally posted by DblDwn@May 24 2003, 08:46 AM


I think it is funny that myself and TK-007 are the two people here who go the farthest out on a limb with our speculation, which is logical for the most part to anyone whose head isn't up their @ss, and yet we are the two that catch the most $hit from everyone else because of our openmindedness and our abilities to explore beyond that which everyone else assumes to be true.

It was the same for Fox Mulder, buddy.

[DblDwn]

Originally posted by Darth Badly@May 31 2003, 05:59 PM
It was the same for Fox Mulder, buddy.
I never saw one episode of The X Files.

[RollaFett]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>It was the same for Fox Mulder, buddy.[/b][/quote]

Heh, heh...that's pretty good, Badly.

[BEARlyworking]

Originally posted by DblDwn@May 24 2003, 02:46 AM
catch the most $hit from everyone else because of our openmindedness
style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif

[DblDwn]

Yeah I was venting in that post and now, after looking back at it, I kinda feel like that too. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif

[BEARlyworking]

Well, you just simply have to vent once in a while. That's what keeps our grey matter from splattering all over our monitors.

[Jedi Killer]

with all of this adding new sh*t to the OT, does everyone here think it will be HUGE stuff or just minor things like we saw with the special editions?

cause i guarantee you that about 75% of the Star Wars crowd that go to see EP3 will have no idea that more and a special special edition of the OT is going to be put out in 2006 or whenever

[DblDwn]

I think that after the PT is over there will be, possibly, a few big things that he would have to go back and change in the OT just for the sake of continuity. I'm sure there will also be various little things. We can all sit here and make an argument for and against whether or not:

1) Padme becomes Mon Mothma (Mothma has the whole mother simularity plus whatever else I've said on the previous pages of this thread)
2) Jar Jar becomes Admiral Ackbar (Jar Jar and Ackbar is kinda similar and it is the kind of role, militarily speaking, that Jar Jar could mature into over the years)
3) Naboo becomes Dagobah (It could happen. I've stated examples on other threads)

That is just a few things that could be changed. I'm not saying that any of them are going to be changed but no knows for sure yet. Yes I said it. Even you stubborn sons of guns that are circa 1983-1996 original OT purists don't know for sure either. It makes sense to me that he would change some things and/or characters so that it flowed better with the 12+ hour movie as a whole and not just between the two trilogies individually.

I would love to see additional scenes with Vader and the Emperor in the OT. I think that Lucas wanted to wait until ROTJ to show him as a real character and not a holographic image as in ESB because he is ultimately defeated in ROTJ. But now with us seeing him throughout the PT and more so I assume in Episode III then I think it would be better for him to get more screen time prior to ROTJ in the OT. It's the Empire's time to rule so why not show the man in charge a couple of times?

I would also like to see some scenes dealing with Alderaan before it is destroyed. We briefly saw Bail Organa in AOTC and he will play a much larger role in Episode III so why not add in a scene or two with Jimmy Smits in ANH? Now that we have seen the character in the PT it would make more sense to see him in the OT much like with the Emperor.

I would also like to see a little bit more of Boba Fett in the OT. Now that his character has a much deeper meaning than just as a "cult icon" action figure it would be nice to see him more. I'm not talking about changing the plot to revolve around him but unless Lucas changes his mind and decides to have pre-teen Boba kicking @$$ and taking names in Episode III, I want to see, in the OT, why he is such a bad ass bounty hunter because figuring out that he could "float away with the rest of the garbage" like the MF is just not cutting it for me.

I would like to see, not necessarily a longer duel but that would be nice, but more dialogue between Obi-Wan and Vader on the Death Star in ANH. Now that everyone knows that Anakin is Vader and that Obi-Wan was his master and like a father to him and that they were good friends I think that they would have a little more to say to each other after 18-20 years and having not seen each other since their last encounter.

Change it back to where Greedo never fires $hit. I admit, the original version was so much better where Han just says, "Yeah I bet you have" and blasts him. Greedo shooting first is my only real problem with the SE so that needs to go.

That's enough for now. I'll post some other things I would like to see changed in the OT later.

[Jedi Killer]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>I would like to see, not necessarily a longer duel but that would be nice, but more dialogue between Obi-Wan and Vader on the Death Star in ANH. [/b][/quote]

not gonna happen cause Alec is dead and you dont wanna dub the voice cause it will be cheesy.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>2) Jar Jar becomes Admiral Ackbar (Jar Jar and Ackbar is kinda similar and it is the kind of role, militarily speaking, that Jar Jar could mature into over the years)[/b][/quote]

thats gotta be the dumbest thing ive ever heard. ill side with Padme=Mothma before this one!! but it made me laugh, so thank you.

but HEY!, like you said, you never knowwwwwwwww. anything can happen!

[DblDwn]

Originally posted by Jedi Killer@Jun 3 2003, 09:16 AM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>2) Jar Jar becomes Admiral Ackbar (Jar Jar and Ackbar is kinda similar and it is the kind of role, militarily speaking, that Jar Jar could mature into over the years)

thats gotta be the dumbest thing ive ever heard. ill side with Padme=Mothma before this one!! but it made me laugh, so thank you.

but HEY!, like you said, you never knowwwwwwwww. anything can happen! [/b][/quote]
Look at the simularities in the faces of the two. That doesn't have to have been an accident on Lucas' part when creating the appearance of Jar Jar.

The popular opinion is that Jar Jar doesn't die in Episode III and goes to Alderaan with Leia and whoever. OK so once Leia matures and becomes a leading member of the Rebellion do you not think that she would put Jar Jar, who she has known all her life and was a General in the Gungan Army, into a position like that of Admiral of the Rebel Fleet? Or if Padme were to become Mon Mothma then wouldn't she put him in the same position? After all she made him her Vice Senator or whatever it was called.

Just something for you to think about.

[Jedi Killer]

why would she? he's the one who gave the soon to be Emperor all the power and his army of Stormtroopers.

this is just crazy. there isnt gonna be this many suprises!!

[DblDwn]

Thas really his fault. Why should he suspect that anyone was up to no good in that meeting? They basically used him to do what they wanted because he was impressionable.

"this is just crazy. there isn't going to be this many surprises".............that statement tells me that you are frustrated because you see the possibility and, because you don't agree, you are trying to convince yourself that it cannot and will not happen.

But like we both said..........you never know ???

[RollaFett]

Ok, you guys are getting a bit off topic now. If you want to discuss many changes to the OT, check out this thread. (http://www.galacticsenate.com/index.php?act=ST&f=7&t=1266)

[Jedi Killer]

yesssssss master.

padme will not be in ROTJ style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

[Jedi Killer]

bump.........

even though she isnt Mon Mothma, anyone still think she will show up in the UE version?

[RollaFett]

For those who aren't sure of what Jedi Killer may be referring to, check it out here. (http://www.starwars.com/episode-iii/bts/production/news20030619.html)

I believe that that confirms it.

[Mothman]

Originally posted by Jedi Killer@Jun 21 2003, 09:10 AM
even though she isnt Mon Mothma, anyone still think she will show up in the UE version?
No.

IMO, the only way that that would happen was in following the Padme is Mon Mothma scenario. Since that is not the storyline (which I have reluctantly come to accept in these past few days), it would really trivialize a major character to have her suddenly show up in a some after-the-fact UE version. If the mother of the Skywalker twins is now so important to be shown in ROTJ, she would have been just as important in GL's mind back in 1983 to make an appearance in ROTJ. Unless, of course, he is rewriting history again. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/unsure.gif

[Justin]

Padme is in ROTJ. About halfway through, while the Rebels are getting ready to attack Death Star II.

[RollaFett]

Huh? You don't mean the novelization, do you?

[Frendon]

He is just making fun of the "Padme is Mon Mothma" thing.

[DblDwn]

Originally posted by Frendon@Jun 24 2003, 07:42 PM
He is just making fun of the "Padme is Mon Mothma" thing.
Exactly

He's making fun of it because that is all that he does. He has to mock everyone else's ideas and thoughts because he is one of the many of Lucas' puppets who allows himself to believe everything should just be nice and simple because he doesn't have the imagination to think for himself.

And if you want to flame me go ahead but somebody better bust his @$$ too because, as a Mod, he shouldn't be allowed to continuously mock and patronize everyone else because he doesn't agree with them. Isn't one of the duties of a Mod to set an example for everyone else by being fair and impartial to everyone's ideas? It should be. Yet Justin repeatedly mocks me, and whoever else considered the Padme-Mon Mothma thing, and he constantly mocks 007 for the Sidious/Palpatine Shapeshifter thing. I don't agree with Bond's theory as far as the Shapeshifter angle but I don't feel the need to be a smart@$$ and mock him all the time. And I was wrong about the Padme-Mon Mothma thing. So what? Big deal. I've been wrong about a lot of things in my life that were far more important than what happens in a friggin movie so what is the big deal? Grow up, be a man, and get over it already.

You don't agree fine. Voice your opinions in a mature and adult like manner because all you act like is a child on the playground at recess and it's starting to get really old.

[Soontir Solo]

Flaming is a great thing people, dont fear it, embrace it. I have been accused of flaming upwards of a few dozen times in the past. Who cares? Argue your positions, don't worry to much about whether your comments are considered to harsh. As far as im concerned bash what ever you want to the fullest extent, just try to back up your stuff with some facts and good reasons.

I still remember the days where Bond would accuse me of flaming all the time (usually once every two or three posts i did that opposed him)................Those were the days.

[SmokemDeathsticks]

Well, this thread has been a thoroughly fascinating read. I hope I don't get a spankin' for upping it style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif but I just had to reply.

I've heard about these Archival/Ultimate/Super Duper Pooper Scooper Editions for a long while now just like the rest of you, but have never seen links showing any kind of definitive proof. The link on the first page, and I believe there was a link a few pages in as well, have been the first ones I've ever seen on the matter that didn't come from AICN or some other rumor-mill site. Part of me is wishing that these links really do tell the truth because if it's done right, I'd love to see it.

About Rick McCallum refuting NP doing extra scenes: I wouldn't put it past him to feed us BS. Sometimes I think that's his job style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

Out of all the theories stated here, I like the "hologram" one the best:

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Or even better, he watches the hologram later, and after remembering his happy past with her, he removes his helmet in an attempt to feel his former physical humanity again and see the image of his once love with his own eyes (a term we remember from ROTJ), and then Piett enters to tell him that the Falcon entered the asteroid field, and glimpses Vader for that brief moment minus helmet.[/b][/quote]

That would be absolutely frikkin' fantastic...I'd buy that for a dollar! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/w00t.gif

I don't buy the Mon Mothma theory at all, it would be a real downer in terms of what Leia remembered in RotJ. She's so wistful and sad, almost as if that memory was some kind of dream for her...but her mother's been with her this whole time?? I'm not saying it couldn't happen, but I really wouldn't want to see it. It would cheapen the RotJ scene (IMHO).

[Obidobi]

Originally posted by SmokemDeathsticks@Jan 1 2004, 02:49 AM


I don't buy the Mon Mothma theory at all, it would be a real downer in terms of what Leia remembered in RotJ.
You don't need to buy that at all..... Check the OS...!
(I'm not giving away any spoilers here, since this is the Classic section....)

[blacksaber]

maybe Natalie Portman is just an extra??? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif anyone think of that?

[James William Alexander Atreides]

Originally posted by Kafer@May 28 2002, 06:01 PM
My guess is she might appear as a ghost image like the rest of the Jedi gang. *I've always suspected Padme was a little Force sensitive. *Perhaps the shot during the celebration will have Anakin and Padme holding hands with Obi-Wan and Yoda smiling on.
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First off, that would be great. I always thought too that Padme may be Force sensative. However, they would have difficulty holding hands since Anakin doesn't have any arms. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ohwell.gif

Second, Padme is NOT Mon Mothma. So quite thinking that! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/crazy.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/saber.gif

[James]

The Padmé=Mon Mothma debate was settled about 2 years ago, JWAA...and you did choose to dig this old fossil up after about 2 years style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

No I don't think Padmé will ever appear in ROTJ. I've often thought Vader could tell Luke about her just before he dies...go on a flashback while he's telling (but then flashbacks are quite un-GL arent they?)

just my 2 cents

EDIT: sorry typed RotK instead of RotJ style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/giveup.gif

[James William Alexander Atreides]

Originally posted by James@Jun 23 2005, 03:07 AM
The Padmé=Mon Mothma debate was settled about 2 years ago, JWAA...and you did choose to dig this old fossil up after about 2 years style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

No I don't think Padmé will ever appear in ROTK. I've often thought Vader could tell Luke about her just before he dies...go on a flashback while he's telling (but then flashbacks are quite un-GL arent they?)

just my 2 cents
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Very true.

But it would be good to see her at the end of ROTJ. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/saber.gif

[Max Starkiller]

Does James, (not Atreides) mean RotK or RotJ?

Return of the King (GASP!) or Return of the Jedi?

[GeneralDirection]

I'd forgotten about this rumour. It seems a shame we don't see Padme in RotJ - she's probably the most tragic character, because she's the only major hero who dies and doesn't get to come back as a ghost or a voice (well, aside from Mace). But there's no logical way to bring her back at this point - at least she's mentioned by the twins, I suppose.

[James William Alexander Atreides]

Originally posted by GeneralDirection@Jun 23 2005, 11:59 AM
I'd forgotten about this rumour. It seems a shame we don't see Padme in RotJ - she's probably the most tragic character, because she's the only major hero who dies and doesn't get to come back as a ghost or a voice (well, aside from Mace). But there's no logical way to bring her back at this point - at least she's mentioned by the twins, I suppose.
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She really should be there next to Anakin. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/dictator.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/bow.gif

[James]

Originally posted by James William Alexander Atreides@Jun 24 2005, 04:01 AM
She really should be there next to Anakin. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/dictator.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/bow.gif
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No offence or anything but I think that's a terrible idea...only the Jedi who've learnt how to be ghosts can do that style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ohwell.gif

Originally posted by Max Starkiller@Jun 24 2005, 03:21 AM
Does James, (not Atreides) mean RotK or RotJ?

Return of the King (GASP!) or Return of the Jedi?
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fixed style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/victory.gif

[James William Alexander Atreides]

How do we know that Padme wasn't a force sensative?

[James]

If the Jedi did know they would have taken her to the Temple once she was born.

She was born in the Republic, so the Jedi would have identified her.

[James William Alexander Atreides]

So was Anakin. He lived on Tatooine. And Tatooine is part of the Republic. And the Jedi almost overlooked him. Apparently, the Jedi Padawan Recruitment Program is not as perfect as some might think. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/hmmm.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/huh.gif

[Lord Rocha]

Tatooine was not part of the Republic back then. At the time of TPM the locals didn't even accept the galactic currency used by the Republic.

[James]

Originally posted by James William Alexander Atreides@Jun 24 2005, 02:20 PM
So was Anakin. He lived on Tatooine. And Tatooine is part of the Republic. And the Jedi almost overlooked him. Apparently, the Jedi Padawan Recruitment Program is not as perfect as some might think. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/hmmm.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/huh.gif
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Tatooine was not part of the Republic!

[GeneralDirection]

"The Republic doesn't exist out here. We must survive on our own."

"Had he been born in the Republic, we would have identified him early."

[Lord Light]

bump

[The Arbiter]

The Republic probably claims most of the known galaxy under its territorial boundaries. Corruption and decay have neglected the Republic's hold and restricted its jurisdiction.

[James William Alexander Atreides]

It's possible that Tatooine was catagorized as an outlying unincorporated territory of the Republic.

[The Arbiter]

My thoughts exactly.

[James William Alexander Atreides]

^Thanks.

[James]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Tatooine rests in the distant Outer Rim, beyond the reaches of Republic and Imperial law. Even the Trade Federation lacked a presence on the desert planet. [/b][/quote]

This is from SW.com. It doesn't actually state if it was in theory part of the Republic.

It says that Tatooine was beyond the reaches of even imperial law, which I don't think is quite correct -- Mos Eisley was crawling with stormtroopers in ANH!

[clarkson88]

Makes sense^

[Leto Aldriss]

Originally posted by James@Jun 25 2005, 04:45 AM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Tatooine rests in the distant Outer Rim, beyond the reaches of Republic and Imperial law. Even the Trade Federation lacked a presence on the desert planet.

This is from SW.com. It doesn't actually state if it was in theory part of the Republic.

It says that Tatooine was beyond the reaches of even imperial law, which I don't think is quite correct -- Mos Eisley was crawling with stormtroopers in ANH!
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[/b][/quote]

Those troopers came from the orbiting Star Destroyer. They were not present in force on Tatooine.

In TPM the planet is controlled by the Hutts. They probably just didn't want to give the Empire reason to come there and take over.

[James William Alexander Atreides]

Its possible that the Republic didn't have a presence there and the Empire only had a mild infuence in order to maintain some control and as a reminder. It was left mostly to the Hutts and other criminal elements.

[clarkson88]

Yeah, the Empire probably just wanted to turn a blind eye.

[James William Alexander Atreides]

And aren't most governments like that?

[clarkson88]

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[James William Alexander Atreides]

I'll take that as a yes. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbsup.gif

[James William Alexander Atreides]

Anyway, back to the original subject, there is no way to really say that Padme wasn't force sensative. At least a little.

[clarkson88]

I don't htink she was force sensitive. Naboo was a major planet in the Republic and many Jedi would frequently visit. Padme's family were high in aristocracy and so would have been present when the Jedi were at important political meetings on Naboo. One would have sensed the force in her and if they didn't, Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan are around her 24-7, they would have sensed something.
^^It was a yes.

[James William Alexander Atreides]

Padme's family was not that high in aristocracy. At best, she could have been upper middle class.


"Padmé Naberrie was born in a small mountain village to humble parents on the beautiful world of Naboo. At an early age she was identified as one of the brightest and received special training as she was groomed for a higher station. When she was very young her parents, Ruwee and Jobal along with her sister Sola moved to Theed. Once there Padmé attended the best schools and was enrolled in the Refugee Relief Movement by age seven.

Padmé joined the Legislative Youth Program by the tender age of eight and became an Apprentice Legislator by age eleven. A year later she was elected to the mayoral office "Princess of Theed" and adopted a formal “name of state”—Amidala.

After thirteen years of rule, King Veruna abdicated the throne in a whirlwind of scandal and Amidala ran for office. In the race against Sio Bibble she traveled the country side giving speeches and winning over virtually the entire population of Naboo. Amidala won the throne at the age of fourteen in a landslide election that only lasted four minutes.

When she assumed office, the new chief of security, Captain Panaka insisted that she be taught self defense. She and the captain also selected five handmaiden to assist her with her complicated ensembles and to act as bodyguards. Amidala became good friends with the handmaiden Sabé as they worked out a form of cryptic communication so that Sabé could function as a decoy."


Also, even if Qui-gon and Obi-wan had sensed anything, Padme would have been too old to train anyway.

Also, in the OT, Luke says the Force is strong in his family.

"The Force is strong in my family. My father has it...I have it...and...my sister has it."

Remember, Luke has no memory of his mother and wouldn't know if she was force sensative or not. He only knows of his father and sister.

[James]

The Jedi would have still sensed something, especialy because her fate would be so tied up with the Chosen One.

[James William Alexander Atreides]

Perhaps. But Padme had already chosen her destiny in politics, so it would have been too late for the Jedi to say or do anything. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/dictator.gif

[James William Alexander Atreides]

She still could have been Force-sensative.

[Obidobi]

Padme is dead and buried as this topic should be as well....

[Sluggo]

Do it! I'll send you a buck!

[James William Alexander Atreides]

There is still much to say and to learn. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/yes.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/victory.gif

[padme4ever]

When are they suppose to make another dvd of star wars ROTJ with padme in it? Is it suppose to come out when all six movies are completely done?

[James William Alexander Atreides]

It probably will. It will be a complete and total story with no more changes. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbsup.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/cool.gif

[Obidobi]

^speculation from ss.com

[James William Alexander Atreides]

I'm afraid not.

[master-kev]

don't discuss "the phantom menace" here.

[Sluggo]

Make that two bucks.

[Ithorian guy]

Originally posted by Obidobi@Jul 8 2005, 07:26 PM
Padme is dead and buried as this topic should be as well....
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agreed. Padme will never be put into RotJ as a living person or a ghost. She is a dead as a doorknob.

[Ithorian guy]

Originally posted by James William Alexander Atreides@Jun 25 2005, 01:43 PM
Anyway, back to the original subject, there is no way to really say that Padme wasn't force sensative. At least a little.
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If she was force sensative, don't you think the Jedi would have to her to be trained? Even if she was FS, she couldn't live as a ghost because only people that Qui-Gon Jinn taught to become a ghost was Obi-Wan and Yoda.

[James William Alexander Atreides]

Okay, then how did Anakin become a ghost?

[Sluggo]

Originally posted by Ithorian guy+Jul 18 2005, 07:32 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Ithorian guy @ Jul 18 2005, 07:32 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-James William Alexander Atreides@Jun 25 2005, 01:43 PM
Anyway, back to the original subject, there is no way to really say that Padme wasn't force sensative. At least a little.
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If she was force sensative, don't you think the Jedi would have to her to be trained? Even if she was FS, she couldn't live as a ghost because only people that Qui-Gon Jinn taught to become a ghost was Obi-Wan and Yoda.
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[/b][/quote]

As I understand it, not all those who are force-sensitive should or are to be trained as Jedi.

And as much as I'd like to be to see this thread buried, Padme was strong in the Force. From the revised 3rd draft of the script of Attack of the Clones:

008 - Interior, Chancellors Office - Day

...
DAR WAC: (in Huttese) The loyalist committee has arrived,
my Lord.

PALPATINE: Good. We will discuss this matter later. Send
them in.

They all stand as SENATOR AMIDALA, CAPTAIN TYPHO, MAS
AMEDDA, DORMÉ, and SENATORS (BAIL ORGANA, JAR JAR BINKS and
HOROX RYYDER) and their ATTENDANTS enter the office. As
YODA and MACE WINDU move to greet the SENATOR, YODA taps
AMIDALA with his cane.

YODA: Padmé, your tragedy on the landing platform,
terrible. With you the force is strong... young Senator.
Seeing you alive brings warm feeling to my heart.

PADMÉ: Thank you, Master Yoda. Do you have any idea who was
behind the attack?

[Ithorian guy]

Originally posted by James William Alexander Atreides@Jul 18 2005, 01:59 PM
Okay, then how did Anakin become a ghost?
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Qui-Gon even said that to have conciounsness after death can only be achieved by peace, etc. After he defeated Sidious he redemed himself and was at peace with himself. That must be why he could come back, or it could be that he was the Chosen One.

[Sluggo]

Yup. And this has been discussed in other treads. Perhaps ad nausem.

Somebody close this thread.