Who Paid the Bill for Clone Army?

[Ferarri pit droid]

A Clone Army has been ordered, 10 years ago. However they must have sent a bill to someone. I don't think it's dooko or sidious. Dooko spends all his money on the seperatist movement and palpy hasn't even got money for some deesn't clothes(except for his senate outfi).

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[Jedi Master Shaft]

Misappropriation of funds.

When Palpatine ( Darth Sidious ) was elected Chancellor he used secretly some public funds to pay the Kaminoans.

The Kaminoans believed that the Clone Army was ordered by Master Sifo-Dyas of the Jedi Council. So receiving a bill from the Republic looked good for them.


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[Wild_Huntress]

Right, I agree with you J.M. Shaft.

[JediBendu]

Dooku may be involved - he's quite wealthy. I don't think Palpy would leave a paper trail like Enron did :p

[Justin]

The Sith have been around for thousands of years; If they've been saving up, Sidious should have a star destroyer-load of mulah.

[maddog62]

Thats why Hyperdrives and Negitive Power Cuplinks cost so much so the can hide there funds for Covert Operations. I heard on a Star Destroyer a toilet costs about 20 times the normal toilet. They put thoughs credits in a secret Hutt intrest bearing account, and bam funs for a secret Clone Army. But I also heard that the Republic once funded the TF armys about 10 to 20 years earlier. I guess thats a different issue. Jersey Rules.

[Clara]

<span style="color:7000CC">Easy answer: With money straight out of the taxpayer's pocket. If it comes from the taxpayer's, who's gonna question it? Hmm?</span>

[Meche]

You know... I just made the connection that ten years ago was when TPM took place! Damn I'm slow.

Anyway, this is moving to Prequel non-spoilers (so make sure not to spoil Episode III).

[RollaFett]

Meche- Damn, you are slow! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sly.gif

maddog62- LOL! But also a valid point. I'm sure that prices for usually inexpensive items were jacked up. Oh, and I agree...Jeresy Rules!

[JediBendu]

Is that the island of the English coast - the tax haven?!!?

[Senator Theant]

Whoever placed the order for the Clones probably presented Jango Fett to the Kaminoans as its prototype, right? So Syfo Dyas and Tyrannus are probably the same person. Which means, in a way, that Tyrannus (otherwise known as Dooku) paid for the clones using money from Republican coffers, if the check was issued by the Republic.

[Winston_Sith]

Originally posted by clara@Aug 20 2002, 11:54 AM
<span style="color:7000CC">Easy answer: With money straight out of the taxpayer's pocket. If it comes from the taxpayer's, who's gonna question it? Hmm?</span>
Yep.

And people though that the "the taxation of trade routes to outlying star systems" thing in the opening crawl of TPM was kind of... well, boring, and if not completely unecessary, definitely NOT the kind of thing that should be mentioned in a Star Wars movie, at all.

Because, (as anyone who hates TPM will tell you) "Like, *yawn*, all that political stuff is so boring!!! We want the 'Good Vs. Evil' thing that was in the OT!! Because SW films are meant for the escapists of society (exclusively), and those pragamatists who actually try to learn things from the Saga (as it is intended as "Mythology") can all just rot!"

LOL

[James William Alexander Atreides]

Originally posted by Clara@Aug 20 2002, 06:54 AM
<span style="color:7000CC">Easy answer: With money straight out of the taxpayer's pocket. If it comes from the taxpayer's, who's gonna question it? Hmm?</span>
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The Senate paid for it in a pork bill with a cloaked budget. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wacko.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue1.gif

[clarkson88]

Originally posted by Winston_Sith+Sep 3 2002, 06:21 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Winston_Sith @ Sep 3 2002, 06:21 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-clara@Aug 20 2002, 11:54 AM
<span style="color:7000CC">Easy answer: With money straight out of the taxpayer's pocket. If it comes from the taxpayer's, who's gonna question it? Hmm?</span>
Yep.

And people though that the "the taxation of trade routes to outlying star systems" thing in the opening crawl of TPM was kind of... well, boring, and if not completely unecessary, definitely NOT the kind of thing that should be mentioned in a Star Wars movie, at all.

Because, (as anyone who hates TPM will tell you) "Like, *yawn*, all that political stuff is so boring!!! We want the 'Good Vs. Evil' thing that was in the OT!! Because SW films are meant for the escapists of society (exclusively), and those pragamatists who actually try to learn things from the Saga (as it is intended as "Mythology") can all just rot!"

LOL
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the taxation of trade routes was neccessary. It was what allowed Palpatine to manipulate Padme into making a vote of no confidence.

[Emperor Cos Palpatine]

Palpatine is a rich man he can afford pretty much anything, don't forget al world leaders are rich. I think the Republic payed the bill when the Military Creation Act was passed.

[James William Alexander Atreides]

Originally posted by Emperor Cos Palpatine@Jun 21 2005, 04:20 PM
Palpatine is a rich man he can afford pretty much anything, don't forget al world leaders are rich. I think the Republic payed the bill when the Military Creation Act was passed.
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Okay, that's fine for the clone army, but what about the droid army? Who paid for them? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/holosid.gif

[The White Tuxedo]

Originally posted by James William Alexander Atreides+Jun 21 2005, 07:21 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(James William Alexander Atreides @ Jun 21 2005, 07:21 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-Emperor Cos Palpatine@Jun 21 2005, 04:20 PM
Palpatine is a rich man he can afford pretty much anything, don't forget al world leaders are rich. I think the Republic payed the bill when the Military Creation Act was passed.
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Okay, that's fine for the clone army, but what about the droid army? Who paid for them? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/holosid.gif
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The various corporate entities who joined the Confederacy of Independent Systems (Trade Federation, Techno Union, Coporate Alliance, Intergalactic Banking Clan, Wal-Mart) all poured their seperate resources of ships and droids into the Seperatist war effort.

[James William Alexander Atreides]

Okay, here's a good question. Why does Palpy need two armies to fight each other? If the Republic creates one(clone army) and his loyal confederate interests(Trade Federation, Techno Union, Corporate Alliance, and Intergalactic Banking Clan) create the other(droid army), then why not combine the two and take over total control of the Republic? Who's to stop them, the 10,000 scattered Jedi? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/royalguard.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/holosid.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/royalguard.gif

[darth scourge]

Maybe hes anti-droid.

[The White Tuxedo]

You know, I predicted that Sidious would run both sides of the war long before AOTC came out. Maybe some others did as well. So it's been on my mind for a while.

The way I look at it, having the Clone Wars did the following for Palpatine...

1) Ravaged the galaxy. Civilization is turned upside down, and something needs to change to bring order to the galaxy if it is to be saved.

2) Takes it's toll on the Jedi Order. Not just physically, or by seeing many Jedi casualities. The Clone Wars also takes it's toll morally and spiritually on the Jedi. Instead of beging negotiators or saviors, they are generals and conquerors. Sure, it's all in the name of good. But the whole concept of what the Jedi are is altered from it had been prior to TPM.

3) Gives Palpatine the opportunity to look good while he takes over the galaxy. What is so smart about Palpatine's accent is that he shows no hostility. If he just used the Clone Army to one day take over the Republic, people would be like "Huh, what? Are you crazy?" They would also despise him. But no, he takes over and they actually APPLAUD him. That is what makes his plot so genious. He doesn't take the keys to power, he secretly sets it up so that everyone else gives him the keys. That makes him an even stronger leader in the beginning, which is important. If everyone hates him and sees him as conqueror, he'd have lots of enemies. But many see him as a savior. In a time of chaos, he's their only hope.

[Emperor Cos Palpatine]

Originally posted by James William Alexander Atreides@Jun 21 2005, 07:27 PM
Okay, here's a good question. Why does Palpy need two armies to fight each other? If the Republic creates one(clone army) and his loyal confederate interests(Trade Federation, Techno Union, Corporate Alliance, and Intergalactic Banking Clan) create the other(droid army), then why not combine the two and take over total control of the Republic? Who's to stop them, the 10,000 scattered Jedi? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/royalguard.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/holosid.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/royalguard.gif
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I think its the fact that Palpatine wanted people to support him. You can't control an Empire without support, and by creating a crisis, the Senate and their respective governments endorsed Palpatine to the extent of applauding the creation of the Galactic Empire. I hope that helps my friend.

[victrix]

Its now an established fact that Sifo-Dyas secretly ordered to the Clone Army for the Republic. Sifo-Dyas was a real Jedi Master on the Jedi Council and not Dooku or anyone in disguise.

How he paid for it, I don't know. Would the Jedi have a secret stash of cash? (seems unlikely given that they don't believe in having possessions). So who funds them, their missions and weapons? I guess the Republic does. So perhaps Sifo-Dyas managed to secretly cream the Republic for the Army.

But then again.... Sifo-Dyas ordered the army but then Sidious intercepted the order. Perhaps Sidious paid for it (he can get all the money he likes from anywhere!)

[James William Alexander Atreides]

Originally posted by victrix@Jun 22 2005, 01:33 PM
Its now an established fact that Sifo-Dyas secretly ordered to the Clone Army for the Republic. Sifo-Dyas was a real Jedi Master on the Jedi Council and not Dooku or anyone in disguise.

How he paid for it, I don't know. Would the Jedi have a secret stash of cash? (seems unlikely given that they don't believe in having possessions). So who funds them, their missions and weapons? I guess the Republic does. So perhaps Sifo-Dyas managed to secretly cream the Republic for the Army.

But then again.... Sifo-Dyas ordered the army but then Sidious intercepted the order. Perhaps Sidious paid for it (he can get all the money he likes from anywhere!)
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It was done in a hidden budget. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/holosid.gif

[Sargoth]

Originally posted by victrix@Jun 22 2005, 11:33 AM
Its now an established fact that Sifo-Dyas secretly ordered to the Clone Army for the Republic. Sifo-Dyas was a real Jedi Master on the Jedi Council and not Dooku or anyone in disguise.

How he paid for it, I don't know. Would the Jedi have a secret stash of cash? (seems unlikely given that they don't believe in having possessions). So who funds them, their missions and weapons? I guess the Republic does. So perhaps Sifo-Dyas managed to secretly cream the Republic for the Army.

But then again.... Sifo-Dyas ordered the army but then Sidious intercepted the order. Perhaps Sidious paid for it (he can get all the money he likes from anywhere!)
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Dooku was Count of Serrano. So we can assume that his family was wealthy. Also, with Palpatine's position, he could, through his network of corrupted senators, funnel limitless resources.

[James William Alexander Atreides]

Yes, very possible. I wonder if any of those groups that funded the droid army also funded the clone army.

[Sargoth]

Originally posted by James William Alexander Atreides@Jun 24 2005, 09:57 AM
Yes, very possible. I wonder if any of those groups that funded the droid army also funded the clone army.
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Perhaps, but certainly not intentionally. The commerce guilds were unaware that the war had been manufactured. But it is possible that before the Clone Wars, they would "buy" a senator who, in turn could pass the funds to Palpatine. For as corrupt as the Senate was, you can imagine the money flowing from any number of places.

[James William Alexander Atreides]

And alot of pork bills got dropped onto the Senate floor.