How Can They Top That? [Archive] - The Galactic Senate

Jedi Master Gandalf

08-20-2002, 01:08 AM

Apparently, a strange glitch occured, and the original thread was deleted. Moderator Tovor and I are still trying to figure out what happened, but for now we can use this as a compensation.

Before the original thread was deleted, I said that I hoped the Siege of the Jedi Temple would be similar to the part in Lord of the Rings, where the Moria Orcs and their cave troll are trying to enter the chamber, but the doors are barred. They try to get the gates open as the Fellowship prepares for battle.

In comparison to that; Vader and the Imperial forces could be blowing down the door as the Jedi activate their lightsabers and get ready for a fierce fight.

JediBendu

08-20-2002, 02:34 AM

Do you really think GL would borrow from what is going to be one of the greatest movie events ever? (GL and CJ are going to be remembered for a very long time)
He'd be labelled as a plagiarist, worse, not even an original one given the films are coming from books.
Fair enough GL borrowed a lot of literary and film devices from other films, but not out and out scenes.

The Jedi Temple could just be bombarded from orbit - which would be a great shot anyway - if there's goin going to be a siege then the younglings would have to be wasted. Bad for the ol PG13 rating. ???

jbird669

08-20-2002, 04:42 PM

Don't think the Jedi temple will be attacked, but I agree that he shouldn't take it and he won't. He has his own ideas and story points in mind already. Whos is CJ btw? do you mean PJ? But going back to my original point, I think that GL might use something he created for the Journal of the Whills: the Jedi are on trial and found guilty and are killed as a result.

Martini

08-20-2002, 05:05 PM

whoa whoa whoa. trial and then found guilty. where did u read that? any web links on that stuff?

sounds interesting but not that exciting. the crowd wants to see vader kill every single jedi knight but 2

Handothrawn

08-20-2002, 07:35 PM

How about this?

"The Jedi Council, stand, sabers ignited. From other parts of the Temple rhythmic explosions are heard.(BOOM DOOm in LOTR) The door begins to spark and smoke, and finally blows inward. The storm/clonetroopers begin pouring blasterfire into the room, the Council blocks them easily. Troopers pour in and the Jedi are overwhelmed, and finally only Mace and Yoda are left.
"Master, flee, the Heir of the Chosen one is yours, Run, now." shouts Mace.
As yoda runs Mace is blocking the corridor, and troopers bear down on him.(Gandalf and the Balrog) But finally Mace is nailed but a laser and dies."

The end?

Kitrak Posthumus

08-20-2002, 08:12 PM

George Lucas stated that Episode III would start off during the final phase of THE CLONE WARS therfore I feel the beginnning of EPIII is going to be an etablishing battle in Space.... Republic Cruisers against Federation Scum ONE LAST FIGHT (REMEMBER 3 Years HAVE passed) The
Introduction of the Tie fighter is possible but i really doubt X WINGs being intro-ed...anyway This is what i sense will happen..........

Anakin Skywalker piloting his (SPACECRAFT) shooting down stuff havin a blast being heroic (HUBRIS) Obi Wan constant y tell him to be careful...... OBI WOAN NOW A GENERAL he is on a Destroyer....(OBI WAN HAS PICKED UP ALLOT OF KNOWLEDGE of Warfare... it seems so If you think back to A NEW HOPE)

THe entire republic fleet overlooming a planet....MASSIVE battle (think ESB X 10 in space)

Anakin is disobeying protocal and going against Kenobi's commands Nevertheless the Republic is Successful and destroy the Federation and mass celebration crosses over the flet of star destroyers

BUT..... A call comes over the Republic Signal !!!!!

CORUSCANT IS UNDER INVASION !!!!

A stunning Moment... the Heart of the Republic the JEDI TEMPLE THE SENATE THE POPULATION OF CIVILIANS !!!

All hell breaks loose as the weak and tired Republic fleet tries and breaks for the Capital Planet

ANAKIN IN A FLURRY OF EMOTIONS... Sensing PAIN AND SUFFERING ! PADME !!!! is she okay???? He disobeys orders and pulls a renegade rebel "IM GOING NOW" thing and zooms for coruscant Obi wan helpless in controlling him....

Anakin sees the Destruction inflicted.... THE HUNT FOR DOOKU BEGINS!!! ---

This set up would make it viable to see Anakins hatred come out

The Jedi Temple being Ransacked and maybe destroyed splitting up most jedi and killing the other 1000 of them ????

We know he doesnt like dooku...Established in EPII HANGAR SCENE

Padme is going to Pregant maybe he findd her Hurt sumwhere on the planet

Obi tries to stop Anakins fury of hunting and killing Dooku

MANY THINGS CAN HAPPEN.........we'll just have to see

Jedi Master Gandalf

08-20-2002, 08:22 PM

jbird, I think the trial would be dramatic, but very boring. I'd want the Jedi to be going down with a fight. The Jedi Temple is the perfect place for them to be killed, why would they be killed anywhere else?

Jedi Master Gandalf

08-20-2002, 08:52 PM

From my response in the thread, "Yoda in EP3":

I see it like this---

Anakin is angry at Obi-Wan for some specific reason. They battle over acid pits. Anakin falls in.

Anakin is pulled out and given the best medical care as the Republic crumbles and the Empire is formed. The twins are born and the Jedi know the danger of this. Palpatine sends Dooku to retrieve the twins.

The twins are separated and Obi-Wan and Yoda set out with Luke to Tatooine because Padme said Anakin had family there. In space, an Imperial cruiser (Dooku's) is following Obi-Wan and Yoda's ship. The cruiser begins firing upon them, they are hit and land on a planet nearby [Dagobah]. Dooku is on his way with a landing party.

Dooku lands and tells the stormtroopers to look around. Obi-Wan and Yoda kill the troops, which Dooku hears. He follows the sounds of death to Yoda. Yoda tells Obi-Wan to flee with Luke and head to Tatooine before its too late. Obi-Wan runs to the ship. Dooku and Yoda begin a fierce Force battle, as Obi-Wan struggles to get the damaged ship off the ground.

After a long hard battle, Yoda kills Dooku. Meanwhile, Obi-Wan is near the Outer Rim, unaware of Yoda's fate. Soon after, Anakin awakens as Vader and his first assignment is to attack the Jedi Temple [now the rightful property of the Empire]

Mace, who is Padme and Leia's guardian, quickly leaves for the Temple. There, he makes a proud speech to the Jedi Knights about how this will be their last stand, but they must protect their sanctuary at all costs....

The battle, then begins. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/saber.gif

Rinc

08-20-2002, 09:05 PM

The jedi defending the jedi temple would be a brilliant way for them to go - heroic but would also save time in explaining where all the council members have gone. I think the jedi temple has to be destroyed to show that they are finished - a last nail in the coffin.

Jedi Master Gandalf

08-20-2002, 09:12 PM

The reason the Imperials are attacking is because it is now Imperial space. So after the Siege of the Temple, the structure could be destroyed. Maybe TIE Bombers or something.

But the Temple is the right place for them to die.

Jedi Master Gandalf

08-21-2002, 12:48 AM

I think there should be two space battles in Ep3. One at the very beginning, either over Coruscant [awesome] or Naboo. Preferably Coruscant.

In the first battle, it should be Trade Federation fighters squaring off against TIEs [the new Republic fighter]. In the second battle, it should be TIEs against X-wings and Naboo Starfighters. The second battle should be the first, short battle of the beginning of the rebellion.

I'm not sure about Z-95 Headhunters though.

Kitrak Posthumus

08-21-2002, 05:25 PM

Originally posted by Jedi Master Gandalf@Aug. 20 2002 - 19:52
The twins are separated and Obi-Wan and Yoda set out with Luke to Tatooine because Padme said Anakin had family there. In space, an Imperial cruiser (Dooku's) is following Obi-Wan and Yoda's ship. The cruiser begins firing upon them, they are hit and land on a planet nearby [Dagobah]. Dooku is on his way with a landing party.

Dooku lands and tells the stormtroopers to look around. Obi-Wan and Yoda kill the troops, which Dooku hears. He follows the sounds of death to Yoda. Yoda tells Obi-Wan to flee with Luke and head to Tatooine before its too late. Obi-Wan runs to the ship. Dooku and Yoda begin a fierce Force battle, as Obi-Wan struggles to get the damaged ship off the ground.

After a long hard battle, Yoda kills Dooku. Meanwhile, Obi-Wan is near the Outer Rim, unaware of Yoda's fate. Soon after, Anakin awakens as Vader and his first assignment is to attack the Jedi Temple [now the rightful property of the Empire]
The Dynamic set up by Jedi Master Gandalf is very significant... Lukes feelings of familiarity of Dagobah would be solved also..But to alter the situation Yoda does not kill Dooku.. Dooku escapes from Degobah and returns to Sidious, there he is struck by surprise.... Sidious is no LONGER in his dark veil but instead the ceremonial chancellor garbs, as Dooku comes up upon his master...anakin skywalker emerges from the shadows...his vengeance is now his tool to defeat Dooku... Anakin has now been betrayed by the DARKSIDE(PALPATINE) he believes the CHANCELLOR HAS CAPTURED DOOKU for him...Anakins trsut and confidence in the chancellor can be seen in EpII now it is complete the perfect moment for Palpatine to transform the chosen one...

(Palpatine no longer has need for Dooku...His objective is met....Destruction of the Jedi and the transformation of a Republic into an empire are compete...and plus ANAKIN SKYWALKER is the most powerful jedi he's sensed... a powerful ASSET for A new emporer....... a loyal and powerful servant.)

Anakins turn to the darkside comes through his hate and Palpatine mediates it....... ANKIN IS NOW ON THE DARKSIDE

next up......THE EPIC DUEL of MASTER AND APPRENTICE
OBI WAN vs Anakin skywalker.........

..AFTER THAT the Jedi purge(offscreen)
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Jedi Master Gandalf

08-21-2002, 07:20 PM

Why would the Jedi Purge be offscreen? I want to see it full glory.

Kitrak Posthumus

08-21-2002, 09:09 PM

Originally posted by Jedi Master Gandalf@Aug. 21 2002 - 18:20
Why would the Jedi Purge be offscreen? I want to see it full glory.
i dont feel GL would show the purge although i think he will infer it, if you think about the way he edits stuff...i think he'll find it too time consuming...compared to the central plot...he has a lottta SHI* to cover and HE BETTER DO A GOOD JOB therfore i dont think we will see a full breath of it

Jedi Master Gandalf

08-21-2002, 09:20 PM

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Jedi Master Gandalf

08-21-2002, 09:20 PM

That would totally suck if the Jedi Purge was left out of the film. I would be very, very disapointed. That's one of the things that I can't wait for.

It really has to do with the central plot, so I don't know what you mean.

VIR Jedi

08-22-2002, 09:49 AM

I don't think it's going to be so much a massive attack as a singlular one, and by that I mean to answer the origional question "how to top that".

I think the "topper" will be the one-on-one lightsaber battles between Dooku and Mace, then Obiwan and Anakin. I don't think Dooku will take Mace, but will die instead. By then, Anakin is on his way to the dark side and fights and defeats Mace, and is finally challenged by Obiwan and the fateful battle begins.

Just knowing that these battles are due for us to see will be the way to top anything we saw in AOTC.

IMHO style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/y.gif

Martini

08-22-2002, 10:37 AM

i dont feel GL would show the purge although i think he will infer it, if you think about the way he edits stuff...i think he'll find it too time consuming...compared to the central plot...he has a lottta SHI* to cover and HE BETTER DO A GOOD JOB therfore i dont think we will see a full breath of it

all GL needs to do is show vader killing about 10 jedis in the matter of 5 minutes. its not that hard to film. that will show him wiping out the jedis. just show him killing all of the guys in the counsil

Jedi Master Gandalf

08-22-2002, 02:13 PM

VIR Jedi, I really don't think Dooku will fight Mace.

I'd want the Siege of the Jedi Temple to be a worthy twenty-five minutes or so. Long enough to make Mace vs. Vader a memorable duel.

Kitrak Posthumus

08-22-2002, 04:44 PM

Originally posted by Martini@Aug. 22 2002 - 09:37
all GL needs to do is show vader killing about 10 jedis in the matter of 5 minutes. its not that hard to film. that will show him wiping out the jedis. *just show him killing all of the guys in the counsil
I agree, Thats an inference so the viewers can see him doing that and think thats what probably happens to the rest of the jedi...however a purge is long term in connotation.. so it will have to be over a period of time thats why i feel it wont fit into the movie and plus there are about a 1000 jedi scattered across the galaxy........

Martini

08-22-2002, 06:17 PM

you guys rely on the EU way to much. you have to look at the movies how a regular movie-goer sees it. from JUST looking at the 5 movies we've seen, theres only about 40 or so jedis. and it seemed like alot were killed in the final battle in AOTC. so there might only be about 12 or 15 left in EP 3. and it could start out in the opening credits saying how lots of jedis are extinct cause of the clone wars. then by the end of the movie, thats where Darth Vader comes in and cleans house with the remaining ones. end of story

Darth Badly

08-22-2002, 07:44 PM

Martini is dead right. From the tragically poor way that Lucus only showed up 30 Jedi in the final act of Ep III, for all we know we might just get to see half a dozen Jedi killed in Ep III.

JediBendu

08-22-2002, 07:45 PM

Darth Vader comes in and cleans house with the remaining ones. end of story

nah - Jedi's don't absorb much water, they wouldn't be much good as mops *style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

I like the idea Martini - the Clone Wars are 'ending' at the start, they could have been slaughtered during the intervening 3 years. *Maybe not 15, but a hundred or so left is conceivable. *style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/scratchchin.gif

Darth Badly

08-22-2002, 07:45 PM

Originally posted by Jedi Master Gandalf@Aug. 20 2002 - 01:08
Apparently, a strange glitch occured, and the original thread was deleted. Moderator Tover and I are still trying to figure out what happened, but for now we can use this as a compensation.
I can tell you what happened. The original thread is now part of his Lego layout, that's what happened.

Tovor

08-22-2002, 07:51 PM

I can't believe I just checked the Lego thread to see what the heck you were talking about. I've been working too many hours and getting too little sleep it seems.

Darth Badly

08-22-2002, 08:03 PM

HAHA.

Hello Tovor, old pal. Now, that's funny. :)

Jedi Master Gandalf

08-23-2002, 12:31 AM

I'd want the space battle in Ep3 to top the attack on the Death Star in ROTJ. That's my favorite battle in the entire saga, and to top that battle would be near the impossible, but Lucas could do it, I know he can!:thumbs-up:

Imagine it. Naboo Starfighters and X-wings squaring off against TIEs. Seeing the X-wing and the TIE in a pure CG battle would be a revelation!

Martini

08-23-2002, 02:46 AM

i agree gandalf. another CG space battle but one way bigger with the ships we're use to from the OT would kick total ass.

and i know for sure that Lucas will do this cause he has to. its what the crowd wants. lucas might have his mind set but he does like to make his SW audience happy. he did it in TPM here and there and big time in AOTC (with bring back the bounty hunter and showing yoda kicking ass with the saber). its what the crowd wants and now the crowd wants a darker film then ESB, a cg space battle, anakin being as evil and weak as ever, and darth vader in the suit killing jedis with ease. he'll have to do a space battle for the end of the clone wars cause he would be really repeating himself if he did another ground battle. the space battle was cut from AOTC and he's dying to include it into the next film

Jedi Master Gandalf

08-23-2002, 05:05 PM

Originally posted by Martini@Aug. 23 2002 - 01:46
i agree gandalf. another CG space battle but one way bigger with the ships we're use to from the OT would kick total ass.
It sure would. That'd be totally awesome.

Darth Vegas

08-23-2002, 07:09 PM

I think the tranformation from Republic to Empire will be much earlier in the film, the Jedi purge will be like the final battle of the movie, and Anakin will not fight Obi-Wan until the end of the movie, where he is injured.

I can't forsee the Jedi purge happening with Vader, it just doesn't fit in, because the duel between master and apprentice must be the grand finale. The best must be saved for last!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mace will not die at the hands of Vader, because Anakin will not yet be Vader until the end of the film, it has to be that way.

THe beginning battle: The Battle of Coruscant, the most kick-ass space battle ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

But not with Ties, but more of a prototype tie-fighter, something kinda like the Sith Infiltrator, or perhaps the Jedi Starfighter in attack mode.

Have you seen the toy Jedi Starfighter, how it's sides open up for attack mode in a very "tie" sort of way? Remember that Obi-Wan never attacked in his fighter in AOTC, that would explain why the video game lacks the Jedi Starfighter's "tranformer" abilities. Not to mention sveral other similarities the Jedi Starfighter has with ties, such as the lack of a hyperdrive, and it's very similar sub-light engines.

The Jedi Starfighter being the proto tie, would be a great
"tie" in between Tie Fighters and Star Deystroyers.

After seeing the Republic gunship in AOTC, I have no doubt that we will see X-wings.

Space Battle at the end? I don't think so, more of a scene just opposite of ROTJ's galaxy wide celebration, with proto ties and Star Deystroyers invading several planets, ruling the galaxy by force, ending that scene with Vader standing on the bridge of a proto Star Deystroyer overlooking the construction of the Death Star.

The movie cuts back to our heroes, Leia in the royal house of Alderaan, Luke on Tatooine with the Lars' holding him as they look onto the twin suns of Tatooine, and Obi-Wan walks into the distance.

THE END style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/cool.gif

Black Baron

08-25-2002, 03:44 PM

Originally posted by Jedi Master Gandalf@Aug. 22 2002 - 23:31
I'd want the space battle in Ep3 to top the attack on the Death Star in ROTJ. That's my favorite battle in the entire saga, and to top that battle would be near the impossible, but Lucas could do it, I know he can!:thumbs-up:

Imagine it. Naboo Starfighters and X-wings squaring off against TIEs. Seeing the X-wing and the TIE in a pure CG battle would be a revelation!
That would be the best space battle in the entire saga. I really did like the battle to destroy the Second Death Star a lot too.

Jedi Master Gandalf

08-25-2002, 04:00 PM

The glimpses of the CG X-wing and TIEs in ANH: Special Edition were great, but I wish it was totally redone in CG.

Kitrak Posthumus

08-25-2002, 07:46 PM

Originally posted by Agent Bond A.KA. TK-007@Aug. 23 2002 - 18:09
Space Battle at the end? I don't think so, more of a scene just opposite of ROTJ's galaxy wide celebration, with proto ties and Star Deystroyers invading several planets, ruling the galaxy by force, ending that scene with Vader standing on the bridge of a proto Star Deystroyer overlooking the construction of the Death Star.

The movie cuts back to our heroes, Leia in the royal house of Alderaan, Luke on Tatooine with the Lars' holding him as they look onto the twin suns of Tatooine, and Obi-Wan walks into the distance.

THE END style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/cool.gif
I couldnt have ended it better....GL said to his viewers tjink of Poetry...that was this story is every episode Parallels with others especially compring prequel and sequel, therofre this will most likely be the ending...I feel the ending of EPIII will be VERY DRAMATIC (tragic and sum what depressing) because this dynamic would give very much light to a NEW HOPE making that movie more enjoyable having seen the the emotional choas of EPIII..."A New Hope" the title will have extreme significance...and we will see why by the end of Episode III.....I would like to end my posting for this topic by saying this movie is going to be awsome becasue THIS IS THE FINAL MOVIE FOR STAR WARS and the frachise, Lucas' LAST control over his creation...therefore HE WILL GO TO HELL AND BACK to make this episode PERFECT to do justice to the ORIGINAL TRILOGY and the PREQUELS.....remember...................its all about TRANSITION

Jedi Master Gandalf

08-25-2002, 11:38 PM

I think Ep3's ending will be bittersweet. The overall outcome is bad, but in the personal sense, there is some ray of light. That's how I see the ending, so I think Agent Bond did really good by it.

bodhisattva yoda

08-27-2002, 08:42 PM

why would lucas have to borrow from the scene in fellowship of the ring with the orcs and such when he has his own to mimic... the opening battle scene in a new hope where the stormtroopers blast thru the door followed by vader. i'm willing to bet it will be very similar, only with clone troopers and a pre-mask anakin/vader.

Javen

08-27-2002, 10:41 PM

Thats possible it could start like that but supposebly
its ending the clone wars so maybe see Anakins
flying skills again and who knows what else.

Jedi Master Gandalf

09-07-2002, 10:36 PM

I just read the comic, "Hunt for Aurra Sing" and noticed an awesome, new character introduced, a Tusken Jedi. In fact, he was my favorite character in the entire comic. I was thinking that he should be seen in Episode 3, perhaps in the scene of the Last Stand. I'd love to see him on film, like Aylaa Secura in AOTC. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sly.gif

Darth Darthy

09-08-2002, 01:38 AM

The Great Pillars will fall. I have forseen it.

Jedi Master Gandalf

09-08-2002, 01:13 PM

Glad to hear it. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blush.gif

Jedi Master Gandalf

09-09-2002, 12:57 AM

I just remembered. The Tusken Jedi's name was A'sharad Hett, son of Sharad Hett. He's Ki-Adi's first Padawan. He's awesome in a fight. Up until I read the comic, I had no idea that Aurra Sing was a Dark Jedi. That left a bad taste in my mouth....

Does anyone know anything about The Dark Woman? I know that Vader tracks her down and kills her, a little bit after ANH, and like Obi-Wan, her clothes are the only things to be found. [Star Wars Tales Volume One]

The only problem I have with the Jedi characters of the Prequels, are that they're so ignorant and high/mighty, with the exception of Obi-Wan, Anakin, and a few others. They're difficult to like. My favorite in the comics are Micah Giiet, A'sharad, and Plo Koon. They're roguish and fun.