TOTW 3: Surprise Identities

[mace]

In every SW movie thus far, there has been at least one surprise about what the true identity is of a particular character. Consider:

ANH - Ben Kenobi, the crazy old hermit from Tatooine, is actually Obi-Wan Kenobi, Jedi Master and General from the Clone War.
TESB - Darth Vader is actually Anakin Skywalker, Luke's father. Also, the little green creature from the swamp is actually Yoda, the great Jedi Master.
ROTJ - The fact that Darth Vader is Luke's father is confirmed. Also, Leia Organa is actually Luke Skywalker's sister.
TPM - Padme, the queen's handmaiden, is actually the real Queen Amidala. Also, Anakin Skywalker is C-3PO's "father".
AOTC - Count Dooku, former Jedi, is actually Darth Tyranus, Sith Lord. Also, the Storm Troopers are actually genetically engineered clones of Boba Fett's "dad," and they originally fought on the same side as the Jedi.

So what big surprise identity will be revealed in Ep III? The obvious one is that Darth Sidious is actually Supreme Chancellor Palpatine. This one is so obvious that it would actually be a bigger surprise if it turned out that somehow they weren't the same person. I'm willing to bet that GL will have a few more "surprise identities" for us in Ep III. Some possibilities:

1) Darth Sidious is actually Sifo-Dius (the supposedly dead Jedi who ordered the clone army ten years before AOTC).
2) Palpatine is actually Anakin Skywalker's father.
3) Jar Jar Binks is actually a Sith Lord.
4) Mace Windu is actually Lando Calrissian's father.

Any other ideas?

[Khayman]

I think it will be Palpatine is Sidious. Sure we all know but the films are supposed to be viewd in order

[NelsonCoressel]

You'd be amazed how many objective viewers out there have no clue that Palpatine is also the creepy guy in the black robe.
I think that will be THE major epiphany in Episode 3.

[SithSlayer]

Nah, the whole Palpetine is Sidious thing is too obvious to be a big discovery in ep. 3. *I think that Palpetine being Anakin's father is going to be one of the major parts. *It would be pretty much like a circle, Palp telling Anakin he is his father and turning him to the darkside, just like vader telling luke he is his father, but failing to bring him to the dark side.

[Badass Leia]

Good point SithSlayer. That would be very shocking too. Everyone knows, well almost everyone, about Palpatine. If they don't figure it out by themselves, then they will hear it from someone else.

[Kambei Koyanagi]

Once again Im going to have to go with a very old theory, I do not think that Palpy is Ani father, NO WAY, but Ill tell you what. I THINK DOOKU is a good guy!! I think every thing that Dooku says to Obi when Obi is floating in those binders is true.

WHY WOULD DOOKU TELL OBI-WAN THAT THERE IS A SITH CONTROLLING THE SENATE!!

why? perhaps he new that he was going to kill Obi no matter what happend, even if Obi had joined him. He mentioned Qui-gon, Dooku was his master, and as we all know Qui-gon did what he felt was right, a trait that seems to pass down even to Obi. "Qui-gons defiance I sence in you...." ~Yoda

No here is the big kicker I think,

MACE IS EVIL!! he is the traitor. next time you see AOTC, when all the Jedi are talking to Palpy, and Padme and here group walks in to the office, all of the Jedi walk towards her, Palpy turns and looks out the window, and Mace sits there thinking about something, with is hands to his face, and turns a little bit and gives Yoda a very very strange look.

Mace is Sifo-Dyas! Mace Erased the files. And I'll tell you why.
10 years ago, we heard nothing of the sepratists, Dooku is the Leader of that group. right? Who eraced the archives?

WHY IN GODS NAME WOULD MACE WANT TO GO IN FRONT OF THE SENATE AND TELL THEM THAT THIER ABLITIY TO USE THE FORCE HAS BEEN DEPLEATED? WHY WOULD HE WANT TO TELL THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE THAT THE JEDI ARE USELESS?

also, "always 2 there are a Master and a aprentice, no more, no less"

with that in mind think about this, How can Dooku be an Aprentice the same time and Maul was? and even more!!

Mace placed the order.
Boba, is ten years old, the order for the clones was placed ten years ago, about, and yes Naboo was invaded 10 years ago. now dont get me wrong, Dooku is a sith right now with out a doubt, but I think that he is trying to stop palpy in the back of his mind. as we all knows he fails of course... one more thing, I know that Sam Jackson went on the record say that he picked the lightsaber color, (i think its BS) he is the only Jedi with a purple lightsaber! all of them have either Green or Blue.

WHY DOES DOOKU LOOK SO SAD AFTER HE CUTS OFF ANI ARM, WHY DOES DOOKU TELL OBI TO "now, back down."

Mace this evil, and Dooku is doing what he feels it right!

thats going to be the juicy part of the moive!

[DanielSkywalker]

Just because Dooku is polite doesn't mean he's a good guy. I personally believe that he is evil, very evil. He only told Obi-Wan about the Sith master controling the senate to sew confusion among the Jedi. He is doing exactly as Palpatine comands him to, and he would have killed Obi-Wan if Anakin had not have interfered, he was trying to have Padme killed all throughout the film, and he is largely responsible for the creation of the friggin' Death Star. I do not think Mr. Lucas intends to portray him as not that bad of a guy. It's usually just black and white with him. As for Windu being a tritor, I seriously doubt it. But, that is only my opinion

[NelsonCoressel]

the whole Palpetine is Sidious thing is too obvious to be a big discovery in ep. 3. *

I really don't agree... I mean, yeah it would seem too obvious to us, because we follow this stuff and already know about him. But for the sake of the story, Palpy/Sid's identity is being kept somewhat of a mystery. This would be a big discovery and plot revelation to those who aren't glued to all things Star Wars 24 hours a day.
Revealing that someone is somebody else's father or brother or whatever is there to tell the story, not just to suprise the fans.

I would say that perhaps Anakin's chemical make-up will somehow be revealed to have been somehow engineered, but I don't think anyone in Episode 3 is going to go up to him and say "I am your father!"

[Aurra Sing]

If any surprise I would have to say it has to be something tied in with Syfo-Diaus...he still remains kind of a mystery.

[QuigonWindu]

Bravo Mace I love all your ideas. Sidious is Sifo Dias even their names sound the same. Si=Sifo Dious=Dias. Although Mace Windu cant have a son because of the "rule". Why do you think that Jar Jar's a sith though.

[Shadow Jedi Rhyro]

May I just say that it's good to see someone has thought some of the same theories I have about Dooku and Mace. Congrats Kambei. A couple of things on those points. First I think Dooku WAS honestly trying to receive help from Obi Wan and not just sew discontent b/c sith generally manipulate the truth to gain means not tell it as bluntly as Dooku does. Given at the end of Ep. 2 Dooku is a sith but I think his defeat comes in trying to take down Sidious by Anakin. Also another telling sign is the look he gives when he inflicts the damage to Ani's arm and the fact that he has ample opportunity to finish off both Obi Wan and Annakin and doesn't. I'm not as sure on how but I do think Mace is less than the purely benign jedi he is portrayed. The purple lightsabre is a dead giveaway as it is very unusual and I doubt despite the acting talents of Samuel L. Jackson that was done merely to appease him. If that's the case than why not let Anakin have a different color to show his move toward the dark side. Just a few thoughts.

[Darth Havok]

The reason..(from my perspective) that Count Dooku was trying to recruit Obi-wan to join him was that the emporer must some how turn everyone against the Jedi. Sidious wants to rid the Galaxy of the Jedi and if it appears that they (the Jedi) are siding with those who "Appear" to be attacking the Republic, then he would have a good excuse to ask for total power and declare absolute control for himself. He could say that the Jedi are using their power to control the Senate, and that "he" (Sidious) is the only one with a clear head to make decisions....thus declaring himself Emporer. Just my opinion.

[MegoHulk]

Hmm... I really like the Mace theory. But somehow I don't see Lucas being that sneaky...he's usually a straight forward story teller. You do bring up alot of points about him though and it would be an amazing plot twist if it were true. And if you notice..Mace makes it a point to go directly after Jango Fett....was he trying to keep him quiet? I could see Yoda learning Mace was a Sith in Eps3...kind of like a Julius Ceaser thing...et tue Brute? But we don't write the stories, GL does. I sure hope it has a bunch of plot twists and sub plots...there are so many loose ends to tie up, this HAS to be the movie that makes or breaks the prequels.

[DarthKueller]

You guys are hilarious? Palpatine is Anakin's father? LOL that is the funniest thing I've heard in a while. I can say about 99% of these "possibilities" you come up with have no chance of being true.

[mace]

I agree, Darth, that 99% of these things have no chance of being true. But I can guarantee there will some huge surprise in Ep. III. Who would have believed before ESB came out that Darth Vader was Luke's father?

Although I'm hurt by the speculation that my namesake is a Sith, I could see that as a possibility--especially since he carries a purple lightsabre.

How about Dooku being Ani's father? That might parallel the OT a little more closely--Dooku could ask Ani to join him to defeat the emperor and restore order to the galaxy. Then Ani could kill him and take his father's place at the emperor's side.

[Polunis]

Yes, mace; that theory has merit, and I have advocated it before. I have considered Palpatine to be Anakin's father, but I just don't have any solid evidence at this point. I can notice many parallels between Anakin, Sidious, and Tyranus. Who knows? Perhaps this might be an interesting scenario:

Tyranus: Anakin, you and I need to clear the air.
Anakin: How do you mean?
Tyranus: Come now, son; you surely must know the truth by now.
Anakin: Explain...
Tyranus: Darth Sidious, your friend Palpatine, arranged your mother's murder.
Anakin: That's not true! That's impossible!
Tyranus: Search your feelings; you know it to be true!
Anakin: No! No!
Tyranus: I loved her too.
Anakin: You deadbeat dad! I want to be just like you style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif
Tyranus: In time, my son...in time.
Anakin: Could I have a cape like yours?
Tyranus: I apologize, son, but the dry cleaner's have my spare style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif Master Yoda salivates profusely as he fights.
Anakin: Indubitably, father.
Tyranus: How about we smack Sidious one?
Anakin: Sounds like fun!

[Darth Jesus]

Hokay, here's my take on what's going to go down in Ep. III:

1) As someone above already said, Sidious will be revealed as Sifo-Dyas. Reasons:
-Sifo-Dyas isn't dead, or Mace and Yoda would have said so when Kenobi asked.
-The similarity of the names, made even more so by the fact that early drafts of the script referred to the character as Sido-Dyas.

2) Despite what seems like an obvious connection, Palpatine and Sidious will be revealed as two technically different people. Specifically, Palpatine will be revealed as a clone of Sidious. Reasons:
-No one ever senses the Force in Palpatine, despite the fact that Jedi are running in and out of his office all day long. The Dark Side can cloud intentions and plots, but can it cloud power of the magnitude that the Emperor of ROTJ wields?
-Sidious acts very much like the Emperor of ROTJ, while Palpatine acts like a mincing fop.
-If Sidious is Sifo-Dyas (which he seems to be), the Jedi would recognize Palpatine as such. Unless Sifo-Dyas was a very old man when he left the Council 10 years earlier, and Palpatine is a much younger, Force-less clone set up in a backwater village on Naboo to begin a stellar political career that would eventually make him Emperor...all the while actually being controlled by the Sith Lord that he's cloned from. Once the Palpatine clone names himself Emperor, Sidious/Sifo-Dyas can transfer his mind into it (see next reason) and rule the galaxy, no one the wiser.
-The "future history" Star Wars material has established that the Emperor had long used clones and a Sith mind-transference discipline to keep himself alive far past the time he should have died.
-The connection between them appears to be so obvious as to be too obvious. It's a red herring if I ever saw one.

3)Mace Windu isn't Sifo-Dyas, but he will be revealed as a traitor. Reasons:
-When Padme is attacked, he immediately insists that it was disgruntled miners.
-When Padme suggests it was Dooku, Windu immediately rejects the idea.
-Yoda looks right at Mace when he says the Dark Side clouds all.
-Palpatine appeals directly to Mace when trying to get Amidala assigned to Obi-Wan and Anakin.
-Every time Mace shows up in the first half of the movie, he seems to be checking up on Yoda.
-For a man as studied in the Prophecy of the One as Windu is, he seems particularly unbothered when Kenobi tells him that Anakin is out of control, and that him being alone with Amidala is dangerous.
-Lucas is not known for giving into actor's requests, yet a huge deal was made about how Windu's lightsaber is purple because Sam Jackson asked for it.
-Purple is a cross between red (evil) and blue (good). Prior to Ep. II, it had been established that Windu wielded a blue lightsaber. When asked about this, "Jocasta Nu" at Star Wars.com said that an event had transpired prior to Ep. II to cause this change, but would not reveal what the event was.

Well, I suppose that's enough typing for now. There's my predicitons - adios.

p.s. - I don't buy these "Palpatine or Dooku as Anakin's father" theories at all.

[echoseven]

Mace is the traitor without a doubt and Yoda will kill him on Dagobah. The Trading Card game even has a quote on the back of Mace's card that gives it away. I have no doubt about the above, (of course I could be wrong), but I am curious how the relationship between Mace and Sidious and Dooku will work out because there can only be a Master and an apprentice.

[Darth Jesus]

Re: the above poster. While it's true we've heard it said "there can be only two" when it comes to the Sith, you're still talking about an evil group - and evil people lie, cheat, and break the rules when they feel it's necessary (heck, even some good people do). Besides, the Sith are the ones who created the rule (specifically, Darth Bane did) - certainly the leading Sith could decide to change that if he felt it were necessary. It's also worth noting that Mace Windu was the first one to state the master/apprentice stuff always being the case. Also, there have already been rumors of a Sith Council in Ep. III, which Sidious/Sifo-Dyas allegedly builds to replace the Jedi Council, but then kills them/lets them die, something along those lines, in order to keep power for himself. Mace would certainly make a good - or rather, evil - member of that group...

[smwolfson]

While the Mace idea is certainly interesting, I just don't think that Lucas will do it. I mean, he seems to have no faith in his audience at all as far as slipping in really tricky stuff. Think "If we keep this a sceret (a marriage) it will DESTROY US." That's the most heavy handed foreshadowing ever in this history of movies... (well, not quite, but you understand). Sifo Dius is Sidious. Easy. They sound the same. Lucas like that. Darth comes from the old germanic word for dark or black. Luke comes from the Latin word for light (like Lucid, Loki, etc.). Lucas just isn't that indepth about some things to make Mace Windu bad. As for Palpatine being Anakin's dad, I say possible, but unlikely. Too much of a stretch... too much suspention of disbelief that the emperor controls EVERYTHING.

[Lonesabre]

Heres some surprise identities for you! Please give me some feedback. Some of these might be contradicting but there just a few ideas ive been bouncing around. Find my more detailed thoughts in the EP3 Plotlines post.

Palpatine is only a clone of the all powerful Sideous. Another pawn if you like.

Count Dooku is entirely bad and will be revealed as Anakins father as it will bring the story round full-circle, as suggestd by an earlier poster.

I dont think that Mace will be revealed as a traitor although I dont think hes as pure as he makes out.

Qui-Gon will be uncovered as the Sith double-agent, he discovers Anakin afterall. He will have been working for Count Dooku, feeling a disturbance in the force and mistakenly believeing Anakin as the chosen one when it is really his son, Luke.

Qui-Gon will be revealed as Syfo-Dias, afterall they both died 10 years ago....

Padme Amidala will grow up to be ROTJ Mon Mothma.

Naboo will be destroyed and turn in to Daghobah.

The cave will be the birth place of the chosen one... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

Let me know your thoughts!!!

[Lonesabre]

Now, heres a far out theory.

Han Solo used to be a Stormtrooper before he rescued Chewie and legged it from the empire, thats truth. But as clone troopers are early stormtroopers, I cant see how Han could be one as he doesnt look like Jango Fett. This makes me think that something must happen to the clones if Han is to be a stormtrooper....

I also read somewhere that in early drafts of TESB/ROTJ that Lando would be revealed as a clone and that Leia would automatically not trust him. This could work as Lando doesnt look to unfamiliar from Jango Fett

:crazy:

I do not believe that Mace could be Landos father, although early TPM rumours suggested that Mace would own the Millenium Falcon, and we know that Lndo eventually owns the ship. Although this wouldnt explain why it is possible to see the Falcon on Naboo in AOTC?!

More feedback please on these far out ideas!!!

[Darth Jesus]

Re: Han being a stormtrooper - not true. The official backstory on Han is that he was briefly a low-ranking officer in the Imperial Navy (Ensign, Lt., something like that), who "resigned" his commission (with extreme prejudice) when he rescued Chewbacca from Kashyyyk.

[echoseven]

Darth Jesus,
good point on the Sith, what do you think about mace being double crossed by Palpatine, maybe mace thinks he will be the new apprentice once everything goes down.
I think the purple lightsaber is a giveaway too.

[dexterlennon]

Originally posted by Lonesabre@June 18 2002 - 05:46
Count Dooku is entirely bad and will be revealed as Anakins father as it will bring the story round full-circle, as suggestd by an earlier poster.

Qui-Gon will be uncovered as the Sith double-agent, he discovers Anakin afterall. He will have been working for Count Dooku, feeling a disturbance in the force and mistakenly believeing Anakin as the chosen one when it is really his son, Luke.

Qui-Gon will be revealed as Syfo-Dias, afterall they both died 10 years ago....

Padme Amidala will grow up to be ROTJ Mon Mothma.

Naboo will be destroyed and turn in to Daghobah.

The cave will be the birth place of the chosen one... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif
dooku will not be anakins father, he was still in the jedi order 19 years ago when anakin was born!!!

anakin is the chosen one, lucas said so at the beginning of the SE videos...(he's NOT trying to trick us)

if qui-gon is syfo-dias, then why didn't obi-wan point out that connection when he heard the name?? or anybody else for that matter, syfo-dias was an entirely different person when they were alive...

refresh my memory on mon mothma, who was that in the OT again?? it's an interesting theory, but i don't know if you're joking...

naboo = degobah? i think not...luke said there was no sign of cities, he wolud have at least spotted ruins of the capital city of the gungan hidden city...

the chosen one = anakin. he will not be born on degobah as he will already be 21 or 22 by that time...like it or not people, anakin is the one who brings balance to the force...

[Martini]

WOW, i love the idea that Naboo turns into Degobah because of all the destruction of the clone wars. GREAT IDEA..........but like dexter mentioned, there would be some signs of a destroyed city. all well style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif

[Lonesabre]

Mon Mothma in ROTJ is the old dear on the Mon Cal space cruiser that briefs Han, Leia, Lando and the rest with General Crix Madine and Admiral Ackbar. In other words she is the BIG cheese of the rebellion and would fit in very well with being Amidala as I believe that Mothmas official history is very cloudy.

These were just my ideas! I know there a bit far fetched (especially the Lando one!) but im sure that theres more to Qui-Gon Ginn than meets the eye!!! :alien:

[Lonesabre]

True, it is a long shot that Dagohbah is Naboo.

But, Luke doesnt exactly do a "world tour" of dagohbah when hes there and they could be miles away from Theed or Otoh Gunga. Anyway isnt most of Naboo fields and swamp anyway!? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbsup.gif

[Darth Jesus]

Originally posted by echoseven@June 18 2002 - 09:54
Darth Jesus,
good point on the Sith, what do you think about mace being double crossed by Palpatine, maybe mace thinks he will be the new apprentice once everything goes down.
I think the purple lightsaber is a giveaway too.
I think that Palpatine will definitely be double crossing all of his "servants" in one way or another. For example, there have been rumors of a Sith Council in Ep. III, which Palpy destroys/lets be destroyed by the film's end in order to keep the reins of power for himself (and Mace would certainly make a good part of that council). My theory right now is tha Luke and Leia will be born on Dagobah (Luke says in ESB that the place is familiar). With Amidala will be Yoda, Obi-Wan, and Mace (for protection). Mace will then show his true colors, trying to kidnap/kill the Skywalker babies, and Yoda and Obi-Wan will wind up killing him, with Mace's final resting place being the Cave. Some of it's based on various rumors, some on facts, some on pure speculation, but it's the prediction I'm sticking with.

[Darth Jesus]

Originally posted by smwolfson@June 17 2002 - 22:46
While the Mace idea is certainly interesting, I just don't think that Lucas will do it. *I mean, he seems to have no faith in his audience at all as far as slipping in really tricky stuff. *Think "If we keep this a sceret (a marriage) it will DESTROY US." *That's the most heavy handed foreshadowing ever in this history of movies... (well, not quite, but you understand). *Sifo Dius is Sidious. *Easy. *They sound the same. *Lucas like that. *Darth comes from the old germanic word for dark or black. *Luke comes from the Latin word for light (like Lucid, Loki, etc.). *Lucas just isn't that indepth about some things to make Mace Windu bad. *As for Palpatine being Anakin's dad, I say possible, but unlikely. *Too much of a stretch... too much suspention of disbelief that the emperor controls EVERYTHING.
So...Lucas doesn't like slipping surprises into his movies, eh? Likes to keep tricky stuff out, huh? Let's review:

ESB: Darth Vader revealed as Luke's father (c'mon - this was such a twist that a lot of my friends at the time didn't even believe it was true until ROTJ)

ROTJ: Luke and Leia are revealed as brother and sister (again, anyone who says they saw this coming is either lying or a psychic)

So, no, I don't buy for a second that Lucas has "no faith in his audience at all as far as slipping in really tricky stuff." And...

...Mace Windu is a traitor!! (But even I don't buy Palpatine or Dooku as Anakin's dad.)

[echoseven]

I'm with Jesus, I have felt that Mace is a traitor and he will die on dagobah not Dooku as everyone else keeps saying. Anakin will certainly kill Dooku.

[mace]

Mace is the traitor without a doubt and Yoda will kill him on Dagobah. The Trading Card game even has a quote on the back of Mace's card that gives it away.
What is the quote on Mace's trading card?

I'm with Darth Jesus that GL will find some way to surprise us--whether it's Mace being a traitor or one of the many other speculations from this discussion.

I'm really trying to look into this whole Mace being a traitor theory (after all, he's my namesake). So if anyone can tell me what was on the back of his trading card, or any other clues you've come across (besides the purple lightsabre and the other things that were mentioned), please let me know. Thanks.

[NelsonCoressel]

Well since this is now a "topic of the week," I really want to repeat my concept that plugging in a "suprise" just to have one is not what this is about.

Not many people in the audience really know that Palpatine IS Sidious. It's still a mystery to a lot of folks. The major epiphany of Episode 3 will, in my opinion, be that the "Phantom Menace" has been Palpatine since the beginning. That will really blow away anyone who hasn't been following every bit of info about these movies since the late 90's.

[Trilogist]

I don't know. It seems that almost everyone knows 2 facts about the prequels:
1 - Anakin grows up to be Darth Vader
2 - Palpatine becomes the Emperor and is Darth Sideous.

One thing I did notice is that every Sith Lord is mysterious, unknown. Maul was virtually unknown, he was a "mysterious warrior trained in the Jedi arts." Sideous' identity still eludes the Jedi, and even Count Dooku masqueraded as first a Jedi and also as a Count while being a Sith Lord.

That leads me to believe that Darth Vader will also follow the pattern. Continuing his life as Anakin Skywalker, as Vader, he may be another mysterious warrior in Episode III responsible for some of the events that the Jedi will have to investigate. Obi wan or Mace may eventually discover the identity is actually Anakin. That would be a revelation in itself. Anakin has already shown signs of a willingness to lead a secretive double life with Padme, why not also as a Sith as he experiments with what he considers greater powers than the Jedi?

[NelsonCoressel]

Wow, that's an excellent point. Anakin does betray his Jedi vows at the end of AOTC. Even though it's for love, he is still turning away and already taking on a double life. Brilliant.

[Antilles]

Originally posted by Lonesabre@June 18 2002 - 05:46
Padme Amidala will grow up to be ROTJ Mon Mothma.

Naboo will be destroyed and turn in to Daghobah.

The cave will be the birth place of the chosen one... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif
Padme is NOT Mon Mothma....If she was alive, she will be 50 around ROTJ.....Mothma just 40 around that time....and I don't think Vader or Emperor will allowed such person the stay in Empire(and didin't find out?!)

Naboo and Dagobah are different planets! If you read NJO novel series, there is a map before it, and both Naboo and Dagobah were shown.

Ya, and the Chosen One is ANAKIN SKYWALKER

[LukeJWalker]

I thought the chosen one was luke becuase he destroyed the sith so there was now only one side to teh force so that was a balance i guess. Anakin didnt balance anything. Well he did turn back to the light side and he killed the emperor, but luke confronted vader which sort of made him kill the emperor. I dont no! This is confusing.

[NelsonCoressel]

It is Anakin who destroys the Sith. Luke doesn't pick up ol' Palpy and toss him down the shaft.

[Polunis]

It will be revealed in the next movie that I am Anakin's father; that will be a surprise to everyone.

[Tyranus]

Yeah definitely Palpy will admit he is Sidious, and possibly Sifo-Dyas. Jar Jar a Sith? Come on, the guy would kill himself if he ever ignited a lightsaber! That would be cool if Lando's father was actually Mace Windu, I like that idea.

[sithwitch]

Rulers who aspire to godhood always seem to destroy their roots. *This seemed like a death knell for Naboo from word go!

The Death Star isn't the ONLY way to destroy a planet, just an easy one!

DID PADME PUSH HIM OVER THE EDGE?
Find out at SithWitch.com (http://SithWitch.com)

[Polunis]

Rulers who aspire to godhood always seem to destroy their roots. This seemed like a death knell for Naboo from word go!

Do you refer to Palpatine? I assume you do.

BTW, I love your site, and I thought your evaluation of Padme and Anakin's relationship superb. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[JediBendu]

Death Star Schmeath Star
It could only be at a preliminary construction stage - the gun couldn't be operational by ep3 (ROJ - Vader got it back on schedule to be operational after 3/4 of the station was complete).
Naboo being obliterated could be achieved with 'a thousand ships with more fire power than I've ever seen...'

[LordTyranus]

Originally posted by Trilogist@June 24 2002 - 23:48
That leads me to believe that Darth Vader will also follow the pattern. Continuing his life as Anakin Skywalker, as Vader, he may be another mysterious warrior in Episode III responsible for some of the events that the Jedi will have to investigate. Obi wan or Mace may eventually discover the identity is actually Anakin. That would be a revelation in itself. Anakin has already shown signs of a willingness to lead a secretive double life with Padme, why not also as a Sith as he experiments with what he considers greater powers than the Jedi?
I think this is brilliant, the oppening crawl could have something about a mysterious assasin killing numerous jedi, Obi and Ani are sent out to investigate, Obi discover Ani is the assasin as Darth Vader.

[Count Dooku]

I kinda think Mace being a traitor is VERY stupid. He asked for a purple lightsaber unless him and GL made a deal who knows?! Palpatine becoming Emperor you noticed it even though the Jedi didnt notice the dark side in him, Mace will not turn it would totally be dumb. How many Siths will be there if Mace turned? Tyranus, Vader, Sidious, Tyranus will go, but it's just not in his character to be a traitor.

[bl0wm3]

OMG, I can't believe someone could be stupid enough not to see the obvious source of "Sifo-Dyas" and argue for some idiotic "revelations". Sifo-Dyas = misheard/mispronounced Sidious. The wossname-o-their-species couldn't pronounce his name, so they made it into two syllables they could understand, and which apparently either had meanings in their language, or were themselves a (part of a) name familiar to them. It's just like those dumb Yanks, bastardizing every non-Yank name, because they can't pronounce it. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/devil.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/devil.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/devil.gif

Palpatine as Anakin's father - haha, yes, while idiotic, it does sound like Lucas - everyone is related to everyone, everything revolves around Tattooine. But I don't think even he is that dumb, hah. And he's too simplistic in his scripting (and too profit-oriented) to let Mace Windu be a traitor.

I want to see a surprise character, Palpatine's parrot named Georgie Boy, which would croak: "George want mo' money! Arrrk! George want mo' money!" all the time.

[bl0wm3]

Originally posted by echoseven@June 18 2002 - 20:57

>So, no, I don't buy for a second that Lucas has "no faith in >his audience at all as far as slipping in really tricky stuff."

He used to be such a director. Hell, he used to be *a director*. What is he now, then? Well, MAD Magazine wrote about him: "a fat soulless guy interested in the Green, who, throughout his whole life, had only one good idea which he exploited until he made it into a pile of crap". And I can't say I disagree. :mad:

[Red Leader]

I'm sure that the surprise identity will mainly be about Syfo-Dious. A lot seem to think it's Palpatine. Sure they sound close, but what I can't make sense of then is that S-D was a Jedi, why would no Jedi's simply recognize Palpatine as S-D all along? Maybe reconstructive plastic surgery was a big thing a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away. And even if Sidious had a clone of himself, the clone (a.k.a. Palpatine) would be recognizable too.
Also, if Sidious/Palpatine was S-D, he sure grew to prominence on Naboo awfully quick, considering S-D supposedly died 10 years ago around the time of TPM and Palpatine was already a senator from Naboo then. That gave him a couple months, at least, to establish his new identity as Palpatine and rise to such power as to become a senator. Must've had a hell of a campaign platform.

[mace]

Well, Red Leader, that's assuming that Sidious and Palpatine are the same person, which is not absolute fact as far as I'm concerned. Remember, the name Palpatine was never even spoken in the OT--it was always just "The Emperor." The jedi master Sifo-Dyas could easily have changed his name to Darth Sidious when he became a Sith Lord. Then in Ep. III he could find a way to kill Palpatine and take his place as "Supreme Chancellor with special emergency powers," then declare himself emperor.

[Winston_Sith]

Originally posted by LordTyranus@June 28 2002 - 01:46
I think this is brilliant, the oppening crawl could have something about a mysterious assasin killing numerous jedi, Obi and Ani are sent out to investigate, Obi discover Ani is the assasin as Darth Vader.
Personally, I think it would be cool if, before Dooku's death (on Dagobah?), he confesses that he was merely the pawn of Darth Sidious (I just love the way Chris Lee says that, btw), and a Sith Lord himself; and most importantly, the location of Sidious' hideout.

So, Annie, and possibly Obi, track the mysterious Sith Master to the dilapidated warehouse district on Coruscant, and just when Annie is about to attack the Dark Lord, full of vengeful fury, pent up over the long, bloody years of the Clone Wars, Sid finally lifts the black hood from his face, revealing Anakin's trusted friend, and kind-faced mentor; Supreme Chancellor Palpatine.

[dexterlennon]

Originally posted by mace@June 28 2002 - 18:45
Remember, the name Palpatine was never even spoken in the OT--it was always just "The Emperor."
i know that it wasn't in the OT, but my star wars encyclopedia from like, 1994 statees "emperor palpatine." it's the edition with the TIE fighter on the cover and it was many, many years before TPM came out...
it may not have been in the movies, but it was in the star wars lexicon as being emperor palpatine...

[DarthLestat]

Hmmmm, I personally can't see Mace being a traitor. He's a Jedi through and through, if a little more inclined to 'aggressive negotiations' than most. Saying that, it would make a great plot twist! More likely he'll be taken out while buying time for Obi Wan, Yoda and Amidala to escape from the Jedi Purge headed up by a now pretty much fully Sithed up Anakin...but hey, what do I know? ???

[Polunis]

Mace Windu vs. Darth Vader would make for a sweet duel; of course, Vader would wipe the walls with him, but that would not take away from my enjoyment. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/devil.gif

He can be a traitor, but no one knows for certain.

[Trilogist]

Tyranus, I agree. That would be very cool. I personally believe it is important to have Anakin turn evil early on and the rest of the film focused on revealing the depth of the conspiracy, the elimination of the Jedi Order, and the establishment of a totalitarian Empire. The Senate, of course, would be a useless symbol of "representation" to annoy Emperor Palpatine until he finally dissolves it in ANH.

My main interest is to see Obi-wan convinced that he can turn Anakin back to good. Perhaps against orders even, he confronts Anakin. That would be the highlight of the film. Perhaps Obi-wan blames himself. Perhaps Qui-gon appears and tells Obi-wan that he knows Anakin can be turned back. Who knows. I'm excited already. :hehe:

I gotta go see AOTC again ...

[Winston_Sith]

Originally posted by Trilogist@June 30 2002 - 23:02
My main interest is to see Obi-wan convinced that he can turn Anakin back to good. Perhaps against orders even, he confronts Anakin. That would be the highlight of the *film. Perhaps Obi-wan blames himself. Perhaps Qui-gon appears and tells Obi-wan that he knows Anakin can be turned back. Who knows. I'm excited already. *style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/hehe.gif
Yes. Perhaps after Anakin is 'in the Vader suit', Kenobi tries to bring him back to the Light Side, and Vader won't have it. Then Old Ben is forced to flee?


I gotta go see AOTC again ...

Just see it in digital, if you can; the ending just rocks...

[Lonesabre]

Just a thought on Syfo-Dias.

He could very well be Dooku, because Syfo-Dias died ten years ago around the same time that Dooku left the order. He couldve been waiting for the right time to leave and being able to use Syfo-Dias identity just after he died mightve been that time!?

You think?

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[BEARlyworking]

Regarding Mon Mothma actually being Padme...

This is from the Database at Starwars.com:

"Mon Mothma was born into political life. Her father was an arbiter-general in the Old Republic, and her mother was a governor on her native Chandrila. When she was old enough, Mothma joined the Galactic Senate, becoming the youngest senator in the council to date.

In opposition to Palpatine's ascendancy, Mothma organized intelligence cells, pockets of resistance to challenge the Empire, each one unaware of the other cells' existence. When the Republic finally crumbled, Mothma went underground, joining the political cells, forming what was to become the Rebel Alliance."

I'm guessing she is NOT Padme...

[Lonesabre]

So i guess its impossible that she changed her identity then to protect herself and others?

???

[Trilogist]

Yes, it would be. She would have been recognized, even with that Irish accent. :p

However, Lonesabre, I feel you're right on Dooku possibly being Syfo-dias. Really, all Obi-wan and the Jedi know is that someone who said he was Syfo-dias ordered the Clone Army. That's all. That may have been one of Dooku's first acts when he left the Council, the other being, of course, to delete the very location of the planet from the archives to prevent his little scheme from being discovered.

No one bothered to go check because "if it's not in the archives, it doesn't exist." :sly:

[mace]

No, there is absolutely no way that Dooku can be Sifo-Dyas. Obi-Wan tells Yoda and Mace something like "I was under the impression Master Sifo-Dias died before that," but they all know that Count Dooku is alive. (Padme mentions him right at the beginning of the movie after the assassination attempt.) So it's common knowledge that Sifo-Dyas is dead and Count Dooku is very much alive. It is, however, possible that Sifo-Dyas is Darth Sidious. He could have faked his own death when he became the dark lord of the Sith.

[Bandersnatch]

The long-neck aliens said that Sifo-Dyas ordered the clones (I'll have 10,000 clones and an order of fries to go...) and when Obi-Wan questioned Jango he asked him about Sifo-Dyas and Jango said his dude was a guy called Tyrannus. *So Dooku is Tyrannus, Palpatine is Sidious, and Sifo-Dyas could be exactly who Obi-Wan says he is... a Jedi who was killed years earlier. *They could have used his name, sort of like a fake I.D., to order the clones (you want a coke with that?).

[Lonesabre]

Ok Trilogist, you've got me there! Not a bad idea though!

Yeah I'm definately for the idea that Dooku and Sideous used their knowledge of Syfo-Dias' recent death to use his name to order the clones.

No one in the Republic apparently knew about the order and the Kaminos wouldnt've known one Jedi from the other, let alone if the real Syfo-Dias had recently died.

Cool. :sly:

[Trilogist]

Yeah, mace, that's what I was trying to say, in very poorly worded way. I meant Dooku is the "Syfo-dias" who ordered the Clone Army. The real Syfo-dias was dead; he just took his identity.

Now does that mean Dooku killed Syfo-dias? Hmmm ...

[bcamareno]

Read the novels carefully and you'll see that Palaptine is not Sidious. Sidious is none other that Shmi Skywalker!!! "The Force runs strong in [the Skywalker] family ..." and Lucas was adamant that Shmi was a Skywalker and not married to a Sky walker. She is the true Sithwitch!!!!

Sidious could also be Qui-Gon....we'll discuss the clues later. I'm tired.

[mace]

Ok, then I agree with you, Trilogist--Dooku most likely stole Sifo-Dyas' identity to order the clone army 10 years before AOTC. But it's still possible that the actual Sifo-Dyas was involved--he could even be Sidious himself.

Read the novels carefully and you'll see that Palaptine is not Sidious. Sidious is none other that Shmi Skywalker!!!
Shmi is Sidious? Now that's one I've never heard. Sounds pretty far-fetched--especially since Sidious doesn't seem to look or sound like a female. What possible evidence is there on this one besides the quote that the Force runs strong in the Skywalker family?

Sidious could also be Qui-Gon....we'll discuss the clues later. I'm tired.
I'm anxiously awaiting to hear what the clues are for this one. If that were true, it would definitely fit in with the theme of the original post--how shocked would we be if Sidious pulled back the hood in Ep. III to reveal Qui-Gon! That would be incredible.

Obviously at this point it definitely seems like it will be revealed that Sidious and Palpatine are the same person. But the Qui-Gon idea intrigues me. Tell us more if there is more to tell, bcamareno.

[Winston_Sith]

Originally posted by mace@July 03 2002 - 02:17
Obviously at this point it definitely seems like it will be revealed that Sidious and Palpatine are the same person. But the Qui-Gon idea intrigues me. Tell us more if there is more to tell,
What if (and I know this has been said before) Qui-Gon is Sifo-dyas? He is dead, so he could have dropped all the Sith stuff in the 'netherworld', but also, have been barred from 'merging' with the Force because of that. So, he's watching the 'other side', waiting for Anakin to bring the Balance...

[Darth Badly]

Originally posted by SithSlayer@May 31 2002 - 18:04
Nah, the whole Palpetine is Sidious thing is too obvious to be a big discovery in ep. 3. *I think that Palpetine being Anakin's father is going to be one of the major parts. *It would be pretty much like a circle, Palp telling Anakin he is his father and turning him to the darkside, just like vader telling luke he is his father, but failing to bring him to the dark side.
That would make a nonsense of the original trilogy where it's never mentioned at all. That would drive a truck through the whole plot! It's a terrible idea!

[mace]

What if (and I know this has been said before) Qui-Gon is Sifo-dyas?I already said this in another thread but there's no possible way that Qui-Gon can be Sifo-Dyas. Firstly, why would he have two different Jedi names? Secondly, Obi-Wan says something like "I was under the impression Master Sifo-Dyas died before that" when he talked to Yoda and Mace. Since Obi-Wan was an eye-witness to Qui-Gon's death, there could be no doubt in his mind exactly when his former master died. Therefore it is impossible for Qui-Gon and Sifo-Dyas to be the same person.

[Winston_Sith]

Originally posted by Darth Badly+July 03 2002 - 08:28--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Darth Badly @ July 03 2002 - 08:28)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-SithSlayer@May 31 2002 - 18:0
Nah, the whole Palpetine is Sidious thing is too obvious to be a big discovery in ep. 3. *I think that Palpetine being Anakin's father is going to be one of the major parts. *It would be pretty much like a circle, Palp telling Anakin he is his father and turning him to the darkside, just like vader telling luke he is his father, but failing to bring him to the dark side.
That would make a nonsense of the original trilogy where it's never mentioned at all. *That would drive a truck through the whole plot! *It's a terrible idea![/b][/quote]
I don't buy it either, but there might be a (very small, miniscule) chance...

Look at the Sith names; in this case, only for the Sith we have actually seen in movies, not Darth Bane, etc., we have so far:

Darth Sidious
Darth Maul
Darth Tyranus
Darth Vader

I noticed something, the other night, and it seems that the Sith apprentices are named, not for their own skills and personalites, but their realtionship to the Sith Master:

Darth Maul(whose life was completely dominated, and his former self 'torn asunder' (mauled) by the Dark Side since Sidious discovered him... It's a reach, I know. <!--emo&:( *)

Darth Tyranus(who is allegedly fighting for freedom from Republic Corruption,and at the same time is a tool of the Ultimate Tyrant).

Dath Vader(as has been said before (somewhere...) means "Dark Father"; in AotC, there are many refernces to "father" figures (namely, Obi-Wan) in relation to Anakin; and why would Sidious name him such a thing, given the fact that, if he actually knew about Vader's children (that he was a father), he would have killed them both? Maybe because he (Sidious) is technically (if not biologically) Anakin's/Vader's 'father' NOW?)

It seems it may be some kind of an inversion, or a tranference of Sidious' role/state of empowerment upon his Apprentices, unless I'm wrong... Just a thought.

[bodhisattva yoda]

perhaps all star wars names (at least those of main characters) have some hidden meaning that can help to gain insight to their character. the darth names, as mentioned above, are pretty obvious ones (except for vader- i just learned what this meant)... there are other obvious ones like skywalker (transcendance or something to that effect)... dooku sounds an awful lot like duhkha...which means suffering in sanskrit, and is a common buddhist term. padme is a word in a common buddhist mantra: om mani padme hum... which means 'the jewel is in the lotus' i think... maybe padme means jewel. i'm not sure though. there are other obvious ones like solo...... i don't know if this is a valid connection, but 'palpatine' sounds like 'palintine' who was the sorta corrupt senator running for president in taxi driver. much of this is speculation. perhaps i should start a new thread, but does anyone know of any other possibilities as to the meaning of characters' names? this may help to decipher who's who. oh...another one...mace windu...mace could be the weapon, and wind...which could suggest power, which he's supposed to possess much of- "as powerful as master windu"...
i apologize for all the damn text here. end of transmission.

[Winston_Sith]

Originally posted by bodhisattva yoda@July 04 2002 - 00:33
..... i don't know if this is a valid connection, but 'palpatine' sounds like 'palintine' who was the sorta corrupt senator running for president in taxi driver.
I was (and still am) convinced that 'Palpatine' was derived from the latin word 'palpo', which (according to my Cassell's Latin Dictionary means 'to flatter':

palpo-are, and palpor-ari, dep. to stroke or touch gently; OV. Transf., to *coax, flatter, wheedle: Cic. L.; with dat.: Pl., Hor,; whith acc.: quem munere palpat, Juv.

You gotta admit, he does flatter (people's insecure egos) alot... (after making them insecure in the first place). style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/devil.gif

[Winston_Sith]

Originally posted by Winston_Sith@July 04 2002 - 01:14
I was (and still am) convinced that 'Palpatine' was derived from the latin word 'palpo', which (according to my Cassell's Latin Dictionary means 'to flatter':

palpo-are, and palpor-ari, dep. to stroke or touch gently; OV. Transf., to *coax, flatter, wheedle: Cic. L.; with dat.: Pl., Hor,; whith acc.: quem munere palpat, Juv.
Then there's:

palpatio-onis, f. a flattering(palpo), Pl.
palpatore-oris, m. a flatterer(palpo); Pl.

[Winston_Sith]

Originally posted by bodhisattva yoda@July 04 2002 - 00:33
dooku sounds an awful lot like duhkha...which means suffering in sanskrit, and is a common buddhist term.
I've heard:

Dooku(Japanese)=poison

[mace]

Hey, this is fun--meanings of names in Star Wars. I'll list some easy ones that haven't been mentioned yet.

Greedo: the bounty hunter who Han shoots in the Mos Eisley Cantina in ANH. Obviously everything about him revolved around his own greed.

Droopy McCool: the lead horn player in the Max Rebo band in ROTJ. His skin was very droopy, and he was very cool.

Mon Calamari: the species of Admiral Ackbar in ROTJ. He looks like an octopus.

Elan Sleazebaggano: the guy in the bar in AOTC who offers Obi-Wan some death sticks. Obviously he is a big sleaze-bag.

[dexter_jettster]

OK GUYS:)...I read a few of these.....so I have to help clear up the subject , because, although I know it is largely due to the many unanswered questions...it seems you all tend to forget a few facts....so here is my list of ideas and contradictions in this whole "Anakin's Father" Theory, to start....
- It seems the prophecy of the chosen one would indicate that the chosen one was born "of the midichlorians"....that would seem right there to end ALL debate on Anakin having a father..
-However when I thought of that, a had a moment of extreme clarity...it IS possible that could be the key to how it IS luke who is the chosen one..maybe it just means he will be born of a FATHER with a high midichlorian count (Anakin, of course, whose count exceeds even Master Yoda)...interesting....
-As far as Mace Windu, I do not believe he is the traitor, however after reading one of the posts and thinking about some of those small parts (Mace killing Jango so quickly ANd the fact he does seem to be hiding something at the beginning about the assassination attempt....) but that could be just about that....as far as a sith council, that would be the coolest thing Lucas could do , except make a three hour movie (if he does both he could make this whole thing tie up into the best epic ever)....well I just thought I would point out about the prophecy but then I thought about all that other stuff...just some ideas to think about, or remember....'I thought you Jedi knew the difference between knowledge and.....hehehe...WISDOM!:)'

[darth covington]

Originally posted by SithSlayer@May 31 2002 - 18:04
Nah, the whole Palpetine is Sidious thing is too obvious to be a big discovery in ep. 3. *I think that Palpetine being Anakin's father is going to be one of the major parts. *It would be pretty much like a circle, Palp telling Anakin he is his father and turning him to the darkside, just like vader telling luke he is his father, but failing to bring him to the dark side.
wait wait wait didn't shmi say anakin was concieved by the midiclorines

[QuigonWindu]

I like the idea of Jar-Jar being a sith. It could happen.

[Javen]

Alot of things in Star Wars have some sort of hidden meaning one I figured out is this.

Whe someone says that someone dies in Star Wars it really means they have assumed another identity.
But when someone really does die noone says anything about it.One exception and that is Yoda because of what Luke said
"Master Yoda you cant die"

Yoda:"strong I am in the force but not that strong"

[Foozbond]

I definately agree, if you remember Shmi saying in Episode I that There is no Father. Anakin is the chosen one. The son of the Force. Concieved by Mediclorians/the Force. He has no father. That Mace Windu thing is VERY interesting, I think it just might work. Jar Jar a sith? LMAO don't think so. He was just used in Ep. I so that he could screw up the thing in Ep. II and give power to Palpy. Sifo Dias being Sidious I like. Palpy being a clone of Sidious I also like. Naboo I don't believe is going to be Dagobah because Naboo is one of the planets in the upcoming game Star Wars Galaxies, which takes place during the Civil War, during the original trilogy. Lastly, Padme being Mothma? I REALLY doubt that...I mean it just doesn't seem right, sure they can both be politicians, but don't you think that she would try to make some connection with Luke or Leia, or that they would sense it or something? I don't like that idea, but then they are just my opinion I wouldn't be surprised if everything in this whole thread is completely wrong.

[Justin]

What the hell is "TOTW"??

[Powerful Jedi]

The whole idea of Sidious being Syfa-Dyas was explored b4 AOTC was released, based on the fact that it was reported as being Sido-Dyas. *It was thought the possiblity of the Kaminoians had mis-prenounced the name of Sidious. *But of course the name is Syfa-Dyas. *The link between Sidious and Syfa-Dyas does not logically fit in with star wars. *Sidious is palpatine, that is it.

As I said in another forum, that all trilogies tend to end up being something u did not expext at the beginning of the trilogy, makes me think that in EpIII, we will discover that Qui-Gon Jinn is in fact Syfa-Dyas. *Every character and every sentence spoken is created for a reason - and every moment of a star wars movie is plot-driven. *The character of Qui-Gon was not just created so that Obi-Wan had someone to hold his hand while they flew through the galaxy. *As with the OT, u will notice that all the main characters are created for a main purpose and they all have a strong link and even a relation to each other.

This leads me to think that Qui-Gon is the most "logically" created character to actually be Syfa-Dyas. *Why would Qui-Gon pretend to be Syfa-Dyas? *Dooku said in AOTC, that he wished Qui-Gon was alive, he could have done with his help. *Who's to say Qui-Gon didn't already help Dooku.

It is stated that Dooku left the Jedi Order, because he saw Qui-Gon's death as the last straw. *Maybe he saw it as time to move to the next phase of Sidious's scheme.

Dooku was suduced after he left the Jedi order wasn't he? *Yes, that is what it says now, but will events in episode 3, make the twist that Dooku was already in league with Sidious! *Palpatine has already being "softening up" Anakin. *Maybe he did the same thing with Dooku. Remember there is one more episode yet - that is enough time for twists of the plot.

Just a thought.

[obi1kenobi]

No, there is another...

I think the big surprise is not going to be who Darth Sidious really is, we know it's Palpatine. The biggie is going to be who he is working for. Everyone assumes he is the mastermind, but I believe he has a master, in contravention of the Sith lore of there being only two. I think there may be a much older Sith Lord at work, a real Phantom Menace, whose identity has never even been mentioned in the films.

Also, the ewoks are Chewie's love children style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

[ADIDAS Fett]

OK First time poster

Read this whole thread.

Gotta throw in some comments and opinions.

First off: Anakin's roots. Look at both TPM & ANH. Look at the ceiling of Owen & Beru's kitchen and also on the ceiling Anakin's room. See something familiar? It is the same design as on Darth Maul's face. Red/Black jagged lines. He is a product of the force. Shmi does not know how he came to be, but he is, there is no father, etc. I have always thought he to be a genetic experiment of Sith technologies, much like I think Palpatine is the same. Created and then raised by someone else. Would make sense as to why the two are close.

Secondly: Sidious=Palpatine? Check as pointed before in this thread, to the Star Wars Databank.

Palpatine 1.73 meters tall
Sidious 1.78 meters tall

Would make sense as to not being EXACTLY the same person, but maybe the same genetic code, as Anakin is taller than Palpatine as well. By only a few inches. Hmm?

Lastly: Mace being a traitor? This is something I thought, for many the same reasons. He is VERY aggressive in the arena, and when he first shows up there, we holds the saber to Fett's throat, although the two are not known to each other. Why wouldnt he be in a defensive posture towards Dooku? Also when he gets to the arena he goes right after Jango. And this is the first time we see a Jedi kill a non-sith/robot/imperial agent. And he does it in the most violent fasion as well.

As for Padme being Mon Mothma, maybe, for one, both worked closely with Bail Organa. No mention of her in the two prequels, and Vader is not ever said as to being in contact with ANY senators after his fall... For her background, if she were Padme, would she not need a new identity? For years Boba was believed to be a journeyman protector.....

May the force be with you!

[obi1kenobi]

I will be seriously surprised if Palpatine is not Sidious, Star Wars databank height measurements aside. I don't think that is even a worthy point for debate.

Dig this up in three years and prove me wrong.

[mace]

Palpatine 1.73 meters tall
Sidious 1.78 meters tall

Nice one, Adidas Fett.
I just searched the Star Wars Databank, and if we really can go by this, then one of the following other characters could be Darth Sidious's alter-ego (they are also 1.78 meters tall): Owen Lars, Lando Calrissian, Elan Sleazebaggano, and Shaak Ti.

[ADIDAS Fett]

Originally posted by mace@July 27 2002 - 05:02

Palpatine 1.73 meters tall
Sidious 1.78 meters tall

Nice one, Adidas Fett.
I just searched the Star Wars Databank, and if we really can go by this, then one of the following other characters could be Darth Sidious's alter-ego (they are also 1.78 meters tall): Owen Lars, Lando Calrissian, Elan Sleazebaggano, and Shaak Ti.
Then again if Sidious is a clone of Palpatine, or they are both clones of the original, it could be that Sidous is younger and Palpatine make have "shrunk" with age....

Never know......

[obi1kenobi]

Originally posted by mace@July 27 2002 - 05:02

Palpatine 1.73 meters tall
Sidious 1.78 meters tall

Nice one, Adidas Fett.
I just searched the Star Wars Databank, and if we really can go by this, then one of the following other characters could be Darth Sidious's alter-ego (they are also 1.78 meters tall): Owen Lars, Lando Calrissian, Elan Sleazebaggano, and Shaak Ti.
Yeah, but if you squint your eyes, a 3 can look like an 8....

And ain't no way Elan Sleazebaggano is that tall, he was shorter than Obi Wan by about 6 inches, plus I know the actor's a short ass...

[Angel_Blue]

Mace:not a traitor, he has been faithful to the jedi for like 30 years, i highly doudt that Mace would help destroy whats important to him and what he's trying to preserve.
Jar Jar: sith lord, yeah right!LOL!!!!!!!!!!!! I could see it now,"Messan gonna beaten yousa down jedi!"LOL LOL LOL!
Padme:Mon Mothma, no, Mon Mothma has red hair and blue eyes Padme has brown hair and brown eyes, plus Leia remembered Padme a little,she wouldv'e known if Mon Mothma was really"MOM Mothma"
Dooku:goodguy,huh uh, he helps build the friggin Death Star for cryin out loud, unless you like imperials Dooku isn't good!
I think maybe thats enough for now(and remember thats just my thoughts, so as far as that goes you could dismiss all i just said with the wave of a hand, but do try to see what i mean) style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/y.gif

[Darth Vegas]

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[Trilogist]

A good discussion, in its time.

[Longshot]

Man, theres so weird ideas that we all had in there!

Wonder if any will come true?

I still say Padme is Mon Mothma! {Thats a joke before anyone slates me} :roll: style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif :roll:

[Jedi Knight Darud]

I quite like the idea that Syfa dyas is Qui-Gon, as Qui - Gon didnt disappear when he died - he didnt become one with the force. Also Dooku's comments lead me to believe he was working with/for him.

Also Obi Wan said he was under the impression that Syfa Dyas died, ten years ago. It didnt say he had met Syfa Dyas, so Syfa could have had a good reputation and maybe only the elders of the Jedi Council would have known that Syfa Dyas was Qui Gon.

[Master Löhnen]

Hi there. I'm new here, so it's quite possible this question has been asked several times already, but I was wondering whether anayone could answer me this: I've heard rumors that Thrawn will be in Episode 3. Is that true??? It would be so great if it were!!!
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[Longshot]

Not sure about Thrawn, I do believe Grand Moff Tarkin is making an appearance though.

Im not familiar with EU, how would he fit into the story, in your opinion?

[T-bone]

No Thrawn.

[Blizzard]

If you see a blue man in an Imperial uniform hanging around Tarkin, that would be Thrawn. But I doubt it, the Empire was prejudice against aliens.

There must be a Thrawn thread here somewhere. Do a search for it.

[Lord LeHack]

style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ohmy.gif Hello all first post. I like the mace Idea, why else would anikin fight him if there can only be two, and as for Dooku hes no longer an apprentice. The sidiuos been anikans father or sifu diyas idea is laughable, but knowing lucas not out of the question.

Most noteably i think is the way the Geonosians knew Kenobi was on the planet when there where only a handful of "trusted Jedi" knew he was there. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/trooper.gif

[Longshot]

Originally posted by Lord LeHack@Mar 26 2004, 01:04 PM
Most noteably i think is the way the Geonosians knew Kenobi was on the planet when there where only a handful of "trusted Jedi" knew he was there.
That is a very good point youve come up with there friend.

Interesting....

[JediBendu]

Originally posted by Lord LeHack@Mar 26 2004, 01:04 PM
Most noteably i think is the way the Geonosians knew Kenobi was on the planet when there where only a handful of "trusted Jedi" knew he was there. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/trooper.gif
pretty sure it was just a patrolling guard that spotted the ship and went to back to warn the others

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by Lord LeHack@Mar 26 2004, 05:04 AM
I like the mace Idea, why else would anikin fight him if there can only be two, and as for Dooku hes no longer an apprentice.
What Mace idea are you talking about?

[Luvinna]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight Darud@Mar 26 2004, 04:33 AM
I quite like the idea that Syfa dyas is Qui-Gon, as Qui - Gon didnt disappear when he died - he didnt become one with the force. Also Dooku's comments lead me to believe he was working with/for him.

Also Obi Wan said he was under the impression that Syfa Dyas died, ten years ago. It didnt say he had met Syfa Dyas, so Syfa could have had a good reputation and maybe only the elders of the Jedi Council would have known that Syfa Dyas was Qui Gon.
Except that Sifo-Dyas was a "leading member of the Jedi Council," and Obi-Wan told Qui-Gon in TPM that... oh, something about (this is terrible... I can't remember the line!)... "If you would obey the Code you would be on the Council." Sifo-Dyas was on the Council, Qui-Gon was not. Makes it kind of hard for Qui-Gon to be Sifo-Dyas, don't you think?

Also, I can name and identify the 15 main leaders (world-wide) in my church. I can tell you who's died within my lifetime, roughly when they died, and who replaced them. I would think it would be similar for the Jedi, and they would be familiar with who was on the Council, even if they'd never met them.

[Jedi Knight Darud]

We'll see what GL does with it in Ep III... the force works in mysterious ways...

[durge]

Originally posted by mace@May 28 2002, 12:45 AM
In 1) Darth Sidious is actually Sifo-Dius (the supposedly dead Jedi who ordered the clone army ten years before AOTC).


i like this one.
and sidious and palpy are definently not the same person. the image from the insider of that red alien senetor was originaly a concept for sidious's head
last time i checked palpy wasnt red

[durge]

we know that dooku hired jango and he works for sidious. and it was about 10 years before aotc that sidious showed up, right after sifo "died"

[flo fett]

Originally posted by durge@Mar 27 2004, 07:31 PM


and sidious and palpy are definently not the same person. the image from the insider of that red alien senetor was originaly a concept for sidious's head
last time i checked palpy wasnt red
The art department re-coloured the mask after they decided to make it a senator. It tells you that in the article. Sidious is Palpatine. The arguement is getting boring.

[Darth Holmes]

"Sigh"... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wacko.gif

[Master Magnus]

Please, please end the debate that Palpatine isn't the same person as Sidious. Of course they're the same (well, from a certain point of view, they can be regarded as two persons, kind of dr. Jekyll and mr. Hyde, but you'll know what I mean). It wouldn't surprise me though if it turns out that Palpatine once was a Padawan learner. Then, you might ask, why doesn't the Jedi recognize the threat to the Republic? Simple, the Jedi is so sure about their own infallibility that they're blind. Remember how skeptical Mace Windu was about Dooku being the one behind the assassination attempt on Padmé (which he technically wasn't). If Palpatine was forced to leave the Jedi Order for some reason, I don't think they would believe that he would be dangerous. He might also have left the Order a very long time ago and changed his identity. Remember that the former identities doesn't seem that important for Sith Lords. Well, in the case of Vader, he might have embraced his Sith identity to shield himself from the pain he feels deep down inside, feelings that he had to deal with in order to turn back to the Light (or good) side of the Force.
As I said, it wouldn't surprise if it turns out that Palpatine once was a part of the Jedi Order, (who then left the Order and came into contact with a surviving Sith Lord who saw the potential in Palpatine and the rest is history) but I don't really think it was that way, but then, you'll never know as Pablo said on the OS that Palpatine's background WOULD be explored in Episode III (as opposed what he stated earlier)...

[Darth LeeHaas]

1) Darth Sidious is actually Sifo-Dius (the supposedly dead Jedi who ordered the clone army ten years before AOTC).
2) Palpatine is actually Anakin Skywalker's father.
3) Jar Jar Binks is actually a Sith Lord.
4) Mace Windu is actually Lando Calrissian's father.


1.No
2.No
3.No
4.No

Dooku ordered the clones using the stolen identity of Sifo-Dyas a dead Jedi. Then he recruited Jango Fett to be the host. He then deleted the files from the archives to cover up. He then left the Jedi Order.

All of this is confirmed or implied in AOTC.

[kngalaric]

When people talk about more than two siths - no one brings up that Dooku is the only other Jedi we've seen use the Sith fire.

The Emperor used it in ROTJ.

Perhaps the reason he couldn't keep himself from falling is that Vader used it too - the coloring and activity changes when Vader lifts him up. I don't know - I always wondered why Yoda could lift an X-Wing, but the Emperor couldn't stop himself from falling.

Obviously, Jedi can soften their falls and control their rate of descent, or Anakin would have been splattered in AOTC, and so would have Obi-Wan.

Anyway, I digress.

Dooku uses Sith fire against Yoda - he must be the apprentice that came along after Maul (ten years ago right) Maul died - Dooku left the Jedi order, simple.

When I saw Palpitine in TPM - I wondered how he could be the emperor, even though when ROTJ came out I knew the Emperor's name to be Palpatine (maybe even ESB - I don't remember.) It would be better if he were a clone, because I don't care how much the dark side clouds and obscures the Jedi's view, it seems pretty stupid that the entire Jedi council could work with Palpatine and not sense some element of the force within him, or that he could mask his evil from Yoda for ten years or more. It sort of cheapens the power of the Jedi IMO.

Palpatine (the emperor not the clone) could work as the father of Anakin - I do see what Darth Badly means by the truck metaphor. However, it is better than the "virgin birth" of Anakin, and the emperor didn't have to say "No, Luke, I am your grandfather." It wouldn't have been necessary - I don't think it will happen though. His virgin birth has already been cannonized. The Freddy Krueger father explanation would have been better though.

Qui-Gon "Who was his father?"
Shmi "I was gang-raped by ewoks/tuskens/jawas/huts and rancors. He had no father."

I hope Mace is a traitor.

PS - I am not so much of a geek to have read all the books, I did rean a Lando one when I was in 6th grade, but I don't know about "Sith Fire" except from the movies. So, maybe someone could enlighten us.

[Darth Palpy]

Sith Fire ??

Sith Lightning more like !

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[borgmatrix]

Originally posted by kngalaric@Mar 28 2004, 07:38 PM
It would be better if he were a clone, because I don't care how much the dark side clouds and obscures the Jedi's view, it seems pretty stupid that the entire Jedi council could work with Palpatine and not sense some element of the force within him, or that he could mask his evil from Yoda for ten years or more. It sort of cheapens the power of the Jedi IMO.
I don't think it's much of a problem. It's been suggested that on Dagobah, Yoda remained undetected because the Dark Side area there masked him. I think that's more than plausible and similar explanation could account for Palpatine remaining undetected on Coruscant. The Jedi Council is there and many other Jedi. Such an overwhelming Light Side presence could easily mask Palpatine's presence.

[Darth Darthy]

Or it might not be anything deeper then "the darkside clouds everything". Which I thought was a fairly obvious explanation.

[kngalaric]

Yes, fairly obvious when you apologize for everything, and have blinders on.

I can understand the dark side being hidden, but not in plain view - come on.

[Obidobi]

Everything is possible in the movies boyos......!
It's just fantasy you know..... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

[Darth Palpy]

Yes, fairly obvious when you apologize for everything, and have blinders on.

Who's apologisin' ?

`The Dark Side clouds everything" is an adequate statement to cover it.

[cj790]

Originally posted by kngalaric@Mar 28 2004, 07:38 PM
I don't know - I always wondered why Yoda could lift an X-Wing, but the Emperor couldn't stop himself from falling.

I always took it as showing the Emperor had honed his offensive skills, but not learned enough control over the Force to master the basics. He wanted to hurt people, so he did what was required to do so. If you wanted him to say, heal someone else, he would be worse than Jar Jar at it. He was selfish.

[Darth Vegas]

Yeah and you wonder why Qui-Gon couldn't keep that lightsaber from stabbing him through the chest...

[cj790]

I also think 'heat of the moment' comes into it. Jedi are not perfect. If assailed by a hundred blaster shots simultaneously, most would hit. In a duel if the opponent is faster or more skilled, they will win. If unexpectedly chucked down a shaft by the one you trust most, the surprise may overpower your reasoning to the point that you do not start thinking about trying to save yourself until 2 seconds after you are turned into dictator paste at the bottom.

[ToxicBob]

I cant beleive some of these theories on this subject. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/giveup.gif


In breif.

Palpatine = Sidious.

Mace is not a traitor.

Dooku is not Jedi double agent.

Qui-Gon Jinn was not a traitor.

Palpatine is not Anakins father and nor is anybody else.

I think some people would rather SW be a soap opera rather then an Adventure film. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/giveup.gif

[cj790]

^ 100% agreement.

The point about Qui-Gon in particualr is that though he was a Jedi, Jedi are sometimes a little reckless. They may not follow the Order as closely as the Council. They may also be swayed.
I aslways saw him as Toshiro Mifune's unnamed ronin in Akira Kurosawa's Yojimbo; not what you would really expect from the part, but effective nonetheless. And cool.

[frootylupes]

Originally posted by Obidobi@Mar 28 2004, 07:52 PM
Everything is possible in the movies boyos......!
It's just fantasy you know..... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif
thank you style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[ToxicBob]

The only things that needs to be revealed in ep3 is :-

Palps as Sidious and who is Syfo Dias/clone order.


The two above may be linked.

[general grievous]

palpy is not sidious
even if they painted the mask for the red senetor he would still look nothing like palpatine
the red senetor (for those of you who do not know) was a concept for sidious

[Master Magnus]

Originally posted by general grievous@Apr 8 2004, 12:40 PM
palpy is not sidious
even if they painted the mask for the red senetor he would still look nothing like palpatine
the red senetor (for those of you who do not know) was a concept for sidious
Please end this pointless debate. Palpatine IS Sidious, get over it!

[Lord Rocha]

Originally posted by kngalaric@Mar 28 2004, 11:38 AM
His virgin birth has already been cannonized. The Freddy Krueger father explanation would have been better though.

Qui-Gon "Who was his father?"
Shmi "I was gang-raped by ewoks/tuskens/jawas/huts and rancors. He had no father."
LMAO !!

Palpatine is Sidious, even when the "Palpatine-is-a-clone-used-with-Sidious-to-achieve-political-power-without-being-wipe-out-by-the-Jedis" idea is good.

Mace Windu, a traitor....sounds good but isnt very original or suprising as many other possibilities.

[Longshot]

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[Max Starkiller]

Hello. I come here to remind us of Dagobah = Naboo.

Point One: Dagoba [dictionary.com] (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=dagoba)
a Dagoba is a Buddhist shrine. Remember those Buddha heads in TPM?
Point Two: Luke says Dagobah is like "something out of a dream" or something similar in ESB
Point Three (a joke): Yoda is a lazy schmuck.

[frootylupes]

Originally posted by Ralph Skywalker@Jun 22 2004, 05:01 PM
Hello. I come here to remind us of Dagobah = Naboo.

Point One: Dagoba [dictionary.com] (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=dagoba)
a Dagoba is a Buddhist shrine. Remember those Buddha heads in TPM?
Point Two: Luke says Dagobah is like "something out of a dream" or something similar in ESB
Point Three (a joke): Yoda is a lazy schmuck.
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[DarthAnakin]

Originally posted by Ralph Skywalker@Jun 22 2004, 05:01 PM
Hello. I come here to remind us of Dagobah = Naboo.

Point One: Dagoba [dictionary.com] (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=dagoba)
a Dagoba is a Buddhist shrine. Remember those Buddha heads in TPM?
Point Two: Luke says Dagobah is like "something out of a dream" or something similar in ESB
Point Three (a joke): Yoda is a lazy schmuck.
I doubt Dagobah is Naboo but good job trying to convince us all, you actually did a pretty good job. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[Obi-Stu]

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[Xee Thot]

Originally posted by Kambei Koyanagi@Jun 1 2002, 01:00 AM
MACE IS EVIL!! he is the traitor. next time you see AOTC, when all the Jedi are talking to Palpy, and Padme and here group walks in to the office, all of the Jedi walk towards her, Palpy turns and looks out the window, and Mace sits there thinking about something, with is hands to his face, and turns a little bit and gives Yoda a very very strange look.

Mace is Sifo-Dyas! Mace Erased the files. And I'll tell you why.
10 years ago, we heard nothing of the sepratists, Dooku is the Leader of that group. right? Who eraced the archives?

WHY IN GODS NAME WOULD MACE WANT TO GO IN FRONT OF THE SENATE AND TELL THEM THAT THIER ABLITIY TO USE THE FORCE HAS BEEN DEPLEATED? WHY WOULD HE WANT TO TELL THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE THAT THE JEDI ARE USELESS?

also, "always 2 there are a Master and a aprentice, no more, no less"

with that in mind think about this, How can Dooku be an Aprentice the same time and Maul was? and even more!!

Mace placed the order.
Boba, is ten years old, the order for the clones was placed ten years ago, about, and yes Naboo was invaded 10 years ago. now dont get me wrong, Dooku is a sith right now with out a doubt, but I think that he is trying to stop palpy in the back of his mind. as we all knows he fails of course... one more thing, I know that Sam Jackson went on the record say that he picked the lightsaber color, (i think its BS) he is the only Jedi with a purple lightsaber! all of them have either Green or Blue.
If you get the chance, get the TPM DVD and watch the extras, each and every one of them. But if you're in a hurry just go to the lightsaber fighting ones and the one entitled "Good to G.O."

In one of them there is the REAL VIDEO FOOTAGE of Samuel L. Jackson asking George Lucas about a purple lightsaber. It's a fact that the color purple has a lot of meaning to the african-americans in general and he wanted his lightsaber to be a homage to all his bros.

Next time do a little research on a subject before jumping into conclusions.

[Max Starkiller]

Seriously, lads and lasses. George could have removed the Buddha heads. But he didn't. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/grouphug.gif THINK OF MORE SIMILARITIES!

[darth bangkok]

Palpatine is Sidious, even when the "Palpatine-is-a-clone-used-with-Sidious-to-achieve-political-power-without-being-wipe-out-by-the-Jedis" idea is good.

PLEASE NOOOOOOOOO!!!! NO endingings like that crap at the end of "The Unifying Force"!!! Palps is Palps is Sideous. No damn clones!! No one 'controlling' someone else's dam brain!!

What made the OT great was that there was no magic. Just technology. We could accept that technology was way far more advanced than ours and just accept it. The story made it great.

Now if you start in trying to force more surprises at everyturn - it just becomes SILLY!!! dam Silly!!

[NIGHTTRAVELER]

I think we have been told that there were not to be any big twists, but Im not sure if I buy that.

If this is the case, I would like to see something, although I'm not sure what, that would preserve the suprises in the OT. Now I am not talking about something that would make us forget that we know who Vader is and such. I mean something more subtle. Something to excite us the next time we watch the OT, and make us appreciate the fact that we already know the outcome.

GL said a while back that after EpIII, we would look at the whole story in a different light. I hope this is true. I hope so because it is the only way for the PT to hold its own in terms of having an impact on storytelling, as the OT did back then.

Dont get me wrong here. Im one of those guys who loves the PT. But unless it changes the veiwpoint of the OT, it will not get its deserved credit.

style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/saber.gif Tear it up!!

[The Prism]

Originally posted by NIGHTTRAVELER@Jun 25 2004, 03:37 PM
GL said a while back that after EpIII, we would look at the whole story in a different light. I hope this is true.
I already look at the OT in a different light. I’ve watched ESB and ROTJ recently, and when they refer to the events and characters of the PT, I understand what they’re talking about because I’ve seen the events they’re referring to. The movies now have a whole new perspective for me that they didn’t have before.

[Longshot]

Originally posted by darth bangkok@Jun 25 2004, 09:31 AM
What made the OT great was that there was no magic. Just technology.
Riiiiiight. What about the force? Ive loved the Naboo=Dagobah theory for years but cant see it happening.

Question 1) What would be the reason for this name change???

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[Max Starkiller]

style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/giveup.gif Poltical reasons.. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/giveup.gif

[The White Tuxedo]

Why does everyone think Mace Windu is evil? Even at the time of TPM, people didn't seem to trust him.

EDIT: Oh, poodoo. I didn't notice there were 7 pages to this. I'm just responding to first page. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blush.gif

[Max Starkiller]

TWT has a killer avatar.... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/alien.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wave.gif

But more to the point, I don't really think Naboo=Dagobah, Just brought forth ideas

[Ulic Qel Droma]

Originally posted by mace@May 28 2002, 12:45 AM
In every SW movie thus far, there has been at least one surprise about what the true identity is of a particular character. Consider:

ANH - Ben Kenobi, the crazy old hermit from Tatooine, is actually Obi-Wan Kenobi, Jedi Master and General from the Clone War.
TESB - Darth Vader is actually Anakin Skywalker, Luke's father. Also, the little green creature from the swamp is actually Yoda, the great Jedi Master.
ROTJ - The fact that Darth Vader is Luke's father is confirmed. Also, Leia Organa is actually Luke Skywalker's sister.
TPM - Padme, the queen's handmaiden, is actually the real Queen Amidala. Also, Anakin Skywalker is C-3PO's "father".
AOTC - Count Dooku, former Jedi, is actually Darth Tyranus, Sith Lord. Also, the Storm Troopers are actually genetically engineered clones of Boba Fett's "dad," and they originally fought on the same side as the Jedi.

So what big surprise identity will be revealed in Ep III? The obvious one is that Darth Sidious is actually Supreme Chancellor Palpatine. This one is so obvious that it would actually be a bigger surprise if it turned out that somehow they weren't the same person. I'm willing to bet that GL will have a few more "surprise identities" for us in Ep III. Some possibilities:

1) Darth Sidious is actually Sifo-Dius (the supposedly dead Jedi who ordered the clone army ten years before AOTC).
2) Palpatine is actually Anakin Skywalker's father.
3) Jar Jar Binks is actually a Sith Lord.
4) Mace Windu is actually Lando Calrissian's father.

Any other ideas?
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Those are STUPID insights!!!!!! Let me Clear up a few things......
FIRST OF ALL!!!!!!!! Anakin had no father!!!! It sure as F**k not The Emperor!!!!!
Windu.....Calrissian's Father?! Why, because they're black?
GROW UP!!!!! Windu never has kids, because Jedi Don't have Families.
The Skywalker Dynasty was the first in 7,000 yrs.....Duh!
Jar-Jar a Lord of the Sith? Jar-Jar couldn't be a Lord of the Dance!!!
The Sidious/Sifo-Dious thing?
Remember, palpatine is one of (if not The) Most powerful and cunning Sith Lords EVER. Imean, he sat in a room of Council members and they never knew. That's Why He's Gonna spank Yoda's Little Green Ass in III!
Ep.'s I,II,&III have al been about Palpatine Manipulating EVERYONE.
Sifo Dious was probably just another pawn on Sidous/Palp's Galactic Chessboard. Go Read some Books, mace!!!
Sincerely,
The Saber of Truth

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[frootylupes]

Originally posted by Ulic Qel Droma@Jul 11 2004, 01:50 PM
Those are STUPID insights!!!!!! Let me Clear up a few things......
FIRST OF ALL!!!!!!!! Anakin had no father!!!! It sure as F**k not The Emperor!!!!!
Windu.....Calrissian's Father?! Why, because they're black?
GROW UP!!!!! Windu never has kids, because Jedi Don't have Families.
The Skywalker Dynasty was the first in 7,000 yrs.....Duh!
Jar-Jar a Lord of the Sith? Jar-Jar couldn't be a Lord of the Dance!!!
The Sidious/Sifo-Dious thing?
Remember, palpatine is one of (if not The) Most powerful and cunning Sith Lords EVER. Imean, he sat in a room of Council members and they never knew. That's Why He's Gonna spank Yoda's Little Green Ass in III!
Ep.'s I,II,&III have al been about Palpatine Manipulating EVERYONE.
Sifo Dious was probably just another pawn on Sidous/Palp's Galactic Chessboard. Go Read some Books, mace!!!
Sincerely,
The Saber of Truth

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easy there internet tough guy style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif dont forget your not the only dumbass with an opinion style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

[frootylupes]

just to clarify, i was flaming Ulic Qel Droma, not anyone else. my apologies. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/giveup.gif

[Mothman]

Originally posted by ADIDAS Fett@Jul 25 2002, 01:35 AM

As for Padme being Mon Mothma, maybe, for one, both worked closely with Bail Organa. No mention of her in the two prequels, and Vader is not ever said as to being in contact with ANY senators after his fall... For her background, if she were Padme, would she not need a new identity? For years Boba was believed to be a journeyman protector.....

May the force be with you!
You just need to keep an open mind.....

[herr_jones]

Originally posted by cj790+Mar 29 2004, 07:36 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(cj790 @ Mar 29 2004, 07:36 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-kngalaric@Mar 28 2004, 07:38 PM
I don't know - I always wondered why Yoda could lift an X-Wing, but the Emperor couldn't stop himself from falling.

I always took it as showing the Emperor had honed his offensive skills, but not learned enough control over the Force to master the basics. He wanted to hurt people, so he did what was required to do so. If you wanted him to say, heal someone else, he would be worse than Jar Jar at it. He was selfish. [/b][/quote]
I always thought that Yoda could lift the X-wing because he has the ground to push against, same for Jedi pushing things, troopers, other people away. You don't see Jedi pushing tanks over, only stuff that won't push back. I think that if the average Jedi tried to use the force to push a tank over, they wouldn't succeed because of the mass of the two objects. But if they try to "push" the tank into the air, using the ground as the object to push off of, the tank get's "pushed" upwards.

When the Emperor is dropped down the shaft, there is nothing to push against to stop his fall. If he pushes off the wall, he ends up going across the shaft to the other wall to bounce against. Following this theory, he could push off the bottom of the shaft if he fell that far, but the energy in the shaft destroyed him before completing the fall.

Thoughts?

[Master Shrive]

^I'm afraind I don't quite get what you mean.

I know some people won't like this, but in the EU, Luke stops himself from falling. Would this be becuase he was pushing off the ground, as such.